@@DingleBerryschnapps I don't know the Falcon CEO, I just respect the fact that he brings a background in engineering and science to the design of PC's.
Excellent video! I literally just built a 7800x3d and 7900xtx pc yesterday for myself. Old pc was crashing games almost every game so had no time to wait for any “soon to be released” tech. Still dialing it in, but very happy so far. Came from an i7 9700k and 2070 super, which is still pretty good, but an all AMD top spec is way better. ( paired with Gigabyte x670 x ax gaming MB, g.skill 2x16gb 6000 30-36-36-? RAM, Kingston 7000r/wr ssd, NZXT H9 flow case) happy! Cheers.
My kids are running 5800x3d's w/6950xt's at 1440p. Monster setup for a couple of 14 year old's that were slowly upgraded over time as components went on massive discount
A more fair comparison would've been the 4080 to the 7900 XTX. Obviously the 7900 XTX is going to blow the 3080 Ti out of the water considering it's last gen.
Agreed, I have videos comparing the 4080 and 4080S against the 7900 XTX … for this video I wanted to see how an all AMD system would do against a good prior gen system and an ultimate high-end pc … it actually performed really well.
Or at this point, the 4080 Super, since NVIDIA dropped the price on that so its $960 to $1,100 depending on which model you get, which is a stone's throw from the $900 to $1,030 that the 7900 XTX still goes for. The 4080 Super is simply the better GPU and would be a better upgrade for a 5800X3D user than a whole system upgrade if they have an older GPU. But then, you have to be able to spend that much on a GPU!
@@savagej4y241 bingo I just got an 4080 super with an 5700x3D and my rig beats anything I throw at em I thought about going am5 but it a price difference so an 4080 super wasn’t looking too bad! Coming from 2060 super 3600
And i am just sitting here, with my 5800x3d AND the 7900xtx, don't know what to do now with this informations xD anyway.. great job as always and keep going =)
Hopefully this helped you extract additional performance from your CPU ... I'm going to test it with 8000 MT/s RAM in a future video ... I'm very curious as to how it will perform.
@@blackbirdpctech it seem's great minds think alike when i build this system because i upgraded my monitor to a LG C2 65 inch .. i have a small table and office chair for more productive work and gaming and a recliner next to each other and the oled is great viewing angle from either position 😁 thoroughly recommended best of both worlds
I recently went from a 5950X to a 7950X3D while keeping my 3080TI. This video I think corrolates well to my change, but I'm assuming I gained more due to the 5950X not being X3D. I would be interested in seeing the 7800X3D with the 3080TI to see what just changing the CPU did you your performance.
To understand the impact of just the cpu simply look at the 1080p/low results … this combination heavily loads the cpu and offloads the gpu. This is the reason I test this way instead of simply testing at ultra game settings like most other tech TH-camrs.
I , my wife and my kid we are all gamers, we have 2 full AMD gaming PC's with 3rd one on the way , one has 5800X3D + 7900XTX and the other 7800X3D + 7900XTX , definitely worth it :D
I think it's important to put that in to perspective, the failures shouldn't happen but the failure rate is extremely low. What's interesting about the Matrix Platinum is that it has sensors on the adaptor that feed into the GPU Tweak software to show if the connector is plugged in and functioning correctly ... it's a feature that all 4090's should have.
That is very true ... or the 7950X3D. I've been planning a new ultimate PC build around the X670e Godlike, 7950X3D and 4090 ... with the 9000 series released and the new X870e boards coming soon I'm considering whether to build now or wait.
@@blackbirdpctech Well depending on when the new X3D variants will come out it might be worth it to wait for that as well. But rumors say it might take until CES when it finally happens.
Yeah, I think the X3D chips and the 5000 series will be announced at CES ... I might just build it and then upgrade it ... that way I could show the benchmarks between a 7950X3D/4090 and a 9950X3D/5090 ... that would make for some cool content.
You can get BeQuiet! Pure Wings 2 at 80/92 mm (also the initial Shadow Wing fans if you can find them), and 40/80/92 mm from Arctic in several varieties.
@@blackbirdpctech I've only just seen that now. It looks like it might produce a bit more noise as an intake, looks designed for exhaust (either orientation might work on this build).
This is what Im rocking too, 7800X3D and 7900 XTX. Cant complain, but I would like ray tracing in some games and AMD barely supports any games with RT.
This is one of the reasons that I wanted to test the 7900 XTX against a 3080 Ti ... the ray tracing performance is very similar. AMD does support ray tracing however they just use software versus having dedicated hardware on the gpu to accelerate RT performance. I expect that will change with their next gen GPU's.
I mean it seems like no one bought the 7900x3d everyone just got the 7950x3d so i have a hard time finding recent pairings to compare my results to …. or any at all actually
Understood … the choice by AMD to place 3D V-cache on only half the cores for the high-end processors made this chip interesting … will see if I can get my hands on one to test.
Awesome! I have just saved enough for my new pc and now I'm waiting for the release of the Blackwell gpus (I pray they get released later this year). I think I have my mind set on an nvidia gpu since I would also like to mess with other things like AI. From what I have seen the ryzen 9 9950 is very similar to the r7 7800x3d so I'm praying that the new x3d variants will also have a big performance boost. I can't wait to play games with high fps and graphics on 1440p. My current system is soo bad that I can't even run games like tf2 and other low end games without low fps and significant frame drops :/. Great video once again!
Love it ... one of the best parts about doing a new build is ordering your components and then having them arrive ... it's like Christmas every day ... I'm happy for you ... if there is something I can do to help please let me know. I would recommend using a thermal pad of some type for your cpu instead of paste ... they are so easy to use without any performance drop or mess.
@blackbirdpctech thank you very much, you're videos alone are more than enough- I couldn't ask for more! I'm considering just paying someone else to build it for me since I have no experience and don't want to risk breaking something so expensive 😅 I really am interested in the undervolting of the cpu and will definitely consider doing that with my cpu if it's safe and is worth the change! Appreciate your speedy replies, even if I don't have a question 😃
i would have tested 5800x3D vs 7800x3D at the same time to see what is coming from the CPU upgrade and from the GC upgrade... but great video guys, Thx!
The reason that I test the way that I do is to isolate the impact of the CPU from the GPU, even when upgrading multiple components at the same time. So if you look at the 1080p/low results they will show you the impact of the CPU because under these conditions the CPU is heavily loaded, likewise when you look at the 4K/ultra results they will show you the impact of the GPU because under these conditions the GPU is heavily loaded.
@@blackbirdpctech i understand your reasoning as more global perfs difference on a newer build.... but anyway, i would have been interested in what part is more CPU and more GPU. I think it would have been interesting. Also, the new windows update will have a major impact on the CPU side. I'm still on a 5800x3D and i can't see any bottleneck with it but i only use 4k resolution.
@@armirol you should checkout my video: "5800X3D or 7800X3D - Which One Is Right For You?" where I test the 5800X3D against the 7800X3D and give my recommendation on whether it is worth upgrading. With respect to the new version of Windows, I'm not sure if you saw the recent video from Hardware Canucks but they uncovered an issue with the new 24H2 version of Windows that was giving misleading results ... Microsoft had for some reason turned off memory integrity by default, which was in turn responsible for most of the large boost in performance. All of the other tech TH-camrs missed it and incorrectly stated that this new version would significantly boost performance for AMD users. The thread director update will improve performance but it will only be about 2%, not the 10% other outlets were saying. You also don't have to wait, just update your current version of Windows.
I went from a Ryzen 7 1800X and an RX590 to a Ryzen 9 7900 and an RX 7900XTX and I can say with no uncertainty I am not loyal to AMD. If in 5 years it makes more sense to build an all blue system or add in an nVidia card, I will but currently AMD make the most sense to me.
That is the attitude that makes the most sense to me ... not sure why anyone would be loyal to a brand ... look at the data and select the best option ... obviously things like aesthetics and personal preference matter, but in general go with the best option for your use case.
@@Zombie101that makes sense however if you never give a different brand a chance then you will help reduce competition, which will eventually drive prices up.
We definitely need Battlemage to show up ... Nvidia is riding high ... someone needs to knock them down a peg ... I really feel like AMD needs to fire their entire marketing department and recruit from Nvidia ... AMD had a golden opportunity with the 9000 series cpu launch coming right at a time when Intel was screwing up and what did they do, over promise and under deliver ... they never fail to screw up an opportunity.
Great question ... I recently upgraded a system with a 3600X and 3060 to a system with a 5700X3D and 4060Ti, so you can check that video out to get an idea of the performance uplift you should expect. I would definitely get a 5700X3D or 5800X3D ... that way you could save some money and stick with the same motherboard and RAM, just make sure to update your bios first. A 3080 Ti is still a good card, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with hanging on to it for a while.
@@blackbirdpctech I hope it works out for you and your XTX. I just sold a 6950 XT, was a fast card but as more developers move to URE5, just needed something that wouldn’t struggle while using the engine features
@@Kapono5150 I use cards from AMD, Nvidia and Intel, so I have options ... one of the larger challenges is for handhelds that basically all use AMD GPU's (with the exception of the MSI Claw).
Absolutely ... the reality is you can build an awesome streaming/gaming rig from AMD, Intel and/or Nvidia ... what we are really talking about is a relatively small amount of FPS difference between the options (at least at a similar tier). The integrated GPU on the 7000 series cpu's does help with streaming while gaming.
I prefer Nvidia GPUs but I mean the answer to this title question is objectively YES lol. I just bought with what I thought made the most sense, I have no allegiances. So that ended up with me having an AMD CPU but Nvidia GPU.
cant comment on the rx 7900 xtx but it be intresting to see if its rendering frames correctly with anti aliasing as i found the rx 6700 xt previous generation had buggy anti aliasing that seemed to be determined by odd issues with direct x 9 and 11 titles so while framerate was high it wasn't rendering properly. nvidia also had similar issues but got that issue clamped down with a work around. if it wasnt fixed in 7000 series this may be what amd are fixing in rdna 4. also did they ever fix the multi monitor pulling insane wattage at idle.
@@blackbirdpctech first game i tested Tales of Arise broken anti aliasing on grass and hair. something to do with reflections as well as it wasn't rendering shadows properly. im certain its rdna related because i tested same game with a gcn gpu rx 460 and didnt get this issue. even though cyber punk is a direct x 12 title there was still some issues with rendering e.g rails not rendering properly cylinder some buildings not having rendered up close. i went threw every list of anti aliasing. tried brute forcing it threw amds own software as well. clean wiped tested another card of same family same issue. the only way i could get rid of some of the symptoms was amds super sampling but still had some render issues. if you google around you can find quite a few topics on it. shimmering/object glitching.
I am familiar with shimmering being an issue with fsr ... looks like they have virtually eliminated that issue with the latest version of fsr, however there still appears to be some ghosting.
@@blackbirdpctech turned fsr off completely ( i thought that as well i never use downscaling cause i like to get a gauge of what the card can do) i turned off amd sharpening thinking it was that. turned it on ( it made the symptoms way more noticable). pretty much pulled my hair out then just sent the card back. going to see if intel cards have similar issues have 1 on order from what ive been told ( unconfirmed from a friend) intel does well with rendering and anti aliasing better then amds rdna but seems to take a penalty in framerate.
You will get better performance with other card manufacturers my XFX 7900xtx performs 6% better than the AMD reference card used in this video BUT the card is larger and requires more power with a 3rd 8pin. I'm very happy I switched to AMD during the 6000 series after I was dissatisfied with my 2080 Super's performance, at the time they locked regular VRR to the 2000 series I didn't like getting Gouged 100$-200$ for G-sync back then.
That’s true, my favorite 7900 XTX is the Sapphire Nitro+, which I heavily overclocked in a prior video. For this upgrade I was heavily space constrained, so the reference design was the only high-end card I had that would fit … and it barely made it. It is a beautiful looking card in my opinion.
The reference editions are nice to have as collector pieces which is why I have a RX 6700 XT Reference. I wouldn't use it in a sff build as I have a ASRock Challenger version for that with better thermals.
I run a 7900x and 7900xtx. Absolutely in love. My kid runs a 7800x3d with a 7900GRE. He said he’s good until 11th gen 😂😂. I play 4k and he’s happy with 1440. Nvidia can keep their high prices.
I like the 7900X a lot ... not so much the 7900X3D, so you made a good choice. I recently tested the GRE and I was impressed with the performance offered from that card ... very easy to undervolt and overclock. I am waiting for my daughter to get old enough so we can game together ... planning to build a PC with her soon so she can start early (she is 6) 😉
@@blackbirdpctech well I mean it’s never too early. You do have that underwhelming 14th gen with that budget gpu. That should be a great beginner PC 😂😂👍
There are some rumors that AMD is disguising the real RDNA 4 performance specs to try and catch Nvidia with their pants down. I hope the rumors are true!!!
My next video will be comparing the 9700X against the 7800X3D ... take a look at my most recent post to see the results, they are truly amazing ... I would now recommend getting a 9700X over a 7800X3D based on my testing.
@@anthonysantacruz5898 you are welcome, the video has a step-by-step guide on how to optimize the 9700X ... it should be posted by Saturday/Sunday at the latest ... if you do plan to buy a 9700X please use the amazon affiliate link from my post, it really helps.
If you're using the 7900xtx then 4K is all you should be doing. Considering that, the 4080 Super is a better card because RT and DLSS will give you better visuals and higher fps. E-Sports games should be played at 1080p or 1440p. A 7800xt or a 4070 Super is all you'd need for 1440p. For CPU, AMD all the way. Ryzen 7600X or 7800x3d is the way even after the 9000 series launch.
That is a reasonable comment and I generally agree, however if you have a 1440p high refresh rate monitor ... or even a 1080p ultra high refresh rate monitor, then a 7900 xtx would still be worthwhile, especially if you dial the graphics settings in games up to ultra. I tested and compared the 4080 Super against the 7900 xtx in my video: "Should You Buy an RTX 4080 Super or RX 7900 XTX? 🛑Plus GPU Overclocking Guide🛑", if you can purchase a 7900 XTX for $100+ less than a 4080 Super then that would be my choice.
@@blackbirdpctech I can see the need for $1k gpus for professional e-sports gamers with 360hz monitors. But I think for most people with 165hz-240hz monitors, a 4070 super is all you need. From my experience with Fortnite, I'm getting 260fps+ with a 7800x3d paired with a 4070 super on non-fully compromised settings and 100% native 1440p resolution. Guess you can make the point that a 7900xt or a 4070ti super should be considered for 1440p 240hz gaming for those who would rather hold their gpus for longer.
@@pshhyeahh I agree ... I recently compared the 4070 super against the 7900 GRE ... I liked both cards ... not sure why people give the 4070 Super so much grief, it's a good card.
As a fellow 5800x3d owner I can't justify the total system re-build for "ONLY" 56% game performance upgrade. Hopefully the 10K series CPU's will double performance in all applications!
And this is further compounded when you factor in that the likely use case of 1440p on high or custom high settings with a 5800X3D and 3080 Ti (or better, since there's more powerful GPU's like the 4070 Ti Super for less money that the 5800X3D isn't a bottleneck with) already surpasses a baseline of 90 FPS 1% lows in so many titles. 4K is a nonfactor for gaming IMO, an ultrawide 1600p monitor would be the step up.
@@blackbirdpctech Why is the 7800x3d the best choice in this situation?. It has integrated graphics which wouldn't be used in this situation anyway because of the dedicated graphics card. Am I missing something?
@@SonderZensei are you asking why I went with AM5 versus sticking with AM4? The 7800X3D is an exceptionally good gaming focused chip, it offers chart topping performance and a great price. It's one of the easier choices to make when building a gaming PC. The fact that it has integrated graphics isn't really a consideration that impacts gaming.
Great video , I have a question , which GPU do you think is perfect pair for 5800x3d ? I am using 1080p build , thinking to buy 7800XT but i'm not sure if it's going to bottleneck and overall overkill.
Kind of overkill to get 7800XT for 1080p. Use the card with a high 1440p refresh rate. Or use it for 60-80FPS 4K gaming. On 1080p the GPU card will almost always be limited by the CPU. Could be worth it if you use a very very high refresh rate 1080p monitor.
The comment from @FireCestina1200 is accurate ... at 1080p you will typically be cpu bound, so the gpu will not matter as much unless you dial up the graphics settings and//or use a very high refresh rate monitor. That said you could either go with a 7700XT or if you are considering getting a 1440p monitor in the future then you might want to consider the 7900 GRE (checkout my recent comparison video with the 4070 Super) ... I think that is a better option when compared with the 7800XT.
@@blackbirdpctech thank you for the answer , but im still wondering , does being cpu bound mean I will have crash problems or blue screens etc , or will it just make stuttering during gameplay , I am fine with 60 - 80 fps triple A games , I usually even put everything on medium to high so I dont put pressure on my gear that it doesnt overheat much . So overall in my case - more = less? My gpu is RX 7600 the 8 GB version
@@BruceUZULUL it simply means you are loading the cpu more than the gpu ... it shouldn't result in any issues like crashes or stuttering unless your system is unstable.
To be honest, when the 9950X3D & 8950 XTX release, I think AMD will be better geared toward 5090 Ti competition. For now though, I think that combination is a much better value than what Intel and Nvidia have to offer, that being the i7-14700K and RTX 4080 SUPER
From the rumors that I've heard AMD may not try to compete at the high-end with the 8000 series GPU's ... not great news for consumers and expect a 5090 to be priced accordingly (i.e. super high).
@@blackbirdpctech Looks like I got my hopes up too high then. A $2500 5090 is the last thing we need. I was hoping for a great $1200 option that could really fix the Nvidia Monopoly we are stuck in
I think they are focused on the 9000 series GPU’s to try to compete at the high end … that likely means another entire cycle with over priced Nvidia cards
Going on AMD on my last high end rig was the biggest waste of money and regret I've had building PCs. I would have been so much happier if I had spent the small amount more to build an Intel/Nvidia PC. Especially since I wasn't limited by money. I was just on the AMD hype train at the time and thought it would be just as good or better. I've learned my lesson.
@@blackbirdpctech Pretty much something else every month. The biggest would probably be the lack of all the best features. If I'm already going to be spending $1000 on a GPU, I might as well spend a bit more to make sure I have all the best features. At the time I built my current gaming PC, I thought AMD was going to be taking gaming and graphics more seriously, but it never panned out. The only titles they support are big console ports for the most part, and even then they can't work with the developers enough to make sure their features are working correctly. Ratchet and Clank was a big one that made AMD look extremely pathetic to me. They sponsored it, it was a big console port, and at launch their features weren't working while the competition's features were. I've heard from many game studios that AMD won't return their calls or help them integrate their tech in any way, while Nvidia throws tons and tons of money even to small indie devs to make sure their technology is always implemented in the best possible way. And that's just the start when it comes to indie studios. I play almost exclusively indie games and indie developers just don't develop or test with AMD hardware. There has been a bug where UE 5.1 games won't run on Radeon cards for like 2 years now, and games still come out built on 5.1 where the only option to play them is to force them to run in DX11 mode. And that doesn't work 100% of the time. I used to say the one thing Radeon had on Geforce was Adrenaline, but Adrenaline has been a nightmare for me lately. It's dog slow. Any time I click on a new tab, it takes like 30 seconds to load. I get way too many graphics crashes, and Adrenaline just won't even load a lot of the time. I've ran DDU, ran as administrator, all kinds of stuff. It still keeps happening. I've never had any issues like that with Nvidia, and I also daily drive 2 other PCs with high end Nvidia cards. One with a Ryzen CPU and one with an Intel. And when it comes to CPUs, there's a lot of reasons I prefer Intel, even now with the "current problems" because those problems have never been a problem for me because I manually tune all of my hardware. It's been obvious to me that 1.5-1.6 vcore is and has always been way too high. I tried warning people for the last 2 years. Now it's this big revelation, where the largest techtubers act like they don't know what could be going on. And also since I like to tune my hardware myself, I wouldn't want another locked 3D CPU. They are great CPUs for my son who doesn't know how to tune it himself and doesn't want me taking over his computer for hours at a time to tweak and stress test, but I don't mind doing that on my own PCs. And lastly when it comes to CPUs, I don't really care if a AAA game gets 180 or 190fps. What I do care about is if an esports game gets 400 or 500 fps, and for the most part I trust Intel to do that better. I've also noticed that with every Ryzen CPU I've ever had, there are slight stutters here and there when running at really high frame rates and you turn really fast. I haven't seen Intel CPUs do that. Damn, I really hope you didn't take the time to read all of this, but if you did, thank you. I wish I could have said it in less words, but I feel the need to really explain everything when going against the grain, and since TH-cam is the cult of AMD worshipers, which I once was, I get a lot of people calling me an idiot unless I really explain why I don't like AMD anymore.
Great comment and justification ... I read it all and I think you have valid reasons for making this choice. I don't see the point in being brand aligned ... I will always try to let the data guide me. It's crazy, I did an ultra high-end intel/nvidia build a few months ago and I got called names by people claiming I was an nvidia or intel shill and that I had abandoned AMD. I just like pc tech ... I don't really care who the manufacturer is ... it's fun to test lots of different hardware and see what you can do with it. Thanks for spending the time to provide a comprehensive comment, much appreciated.
@@blackbirdpctech Wow! Thank you for reading all of that. And I agree. It's fun to build fast machines and see whay you can do with them. On of my favorite in the last few years was my home theater PC. It has a 2080ti and a 10700k in it. There is so little room in there that I cut all of my cables to be the perfect length so I didn't have to try to jam wads of cables into the only air channels. It turned out awesome. I even managed to fit a 120mm AIO in there for the CPU. It's so dense and heavy for such a small package that I named it The Singularity because it might create a black hole. 😄 Thanks for your comment and your video. It was very well done. And while I wouldn't personally build an all AMD PC for myself right now for most use cases, of course I still think your conclusion was accurate.
SFF builds are super fun … but cutting your own cables requires some definite skill to make sure you get the pinouts correct … if you screw that up your entire pc can go up in smoke … clearly you know what you are doing, I bet it looked super clean on the inside.
@@blackbirdpctech Tried Ryzen Master. Looks like they disabled the options for my CPU. Guess I would have to undervolt in BIOS. (edit: fingers typed something different than my brain)
@@wolfstryder69 take a look at my recent video: “What's The Best Upgrade for AM4 Based Gaming PCs?” … I show you how to easily undervolt using a free program for 5000 series CPU’s.
@@blackbirdpctech Thanks for the info. I auto undervolted my 7900 xt and did a -30 offset on my 5800x3d. I'm getting around 7 degrees cooler on my cpu at max load. It no longer hits the over 90 degree mark, which is nice. For synthetic benchmarks, 3dmark and Cinebench, I'm getting close to 10 percent higher scores. I'm not sure how much more performance I'll get in games, but if it prevents throttling temps I'll be happy.
That's true ... a chiplet design that relies on transferring information through interconnects will always be slower than a monolithic design. That said a chiplet design will be cheaper and allow you to use different manufacturing nodes to package a solution. Intel's next gen cpu's are rumored to be chiplet based and future Nvidia gpu designs will likely move away from a monolithic design for cost reasons. All of that said is it something that you will notice in games? No, unless you are an e-sport professional then it's not something you should be concerned about.
@@sv_surron ah yes nvidia fanboy , thinking rtx 5* your fps. 2080 is "old" and even with dlss you won't match the performance of a 7900 xtx playing at native . The performance will be much worse. Go get a used rtx 3080 or 3080 ti if you must go nvidia for cuda. If you alr got the 2080 super it's fine for now and it's fine to wait longer until an upgrade.
@@sv_surron no problem ... a much better question ... take a look at my comparison video: "Should You Buy an RTX 4080 Super or RX 7900 XTX? 🛑Plus GPU Overclocking Guide🛑" to see the data for yourself. The 4080 Super is tough to beat but if you can get a 7900 XTX for a great price, say $100+ cheaper, then that is likely your best option.
That's not really true. For DDR4 RAM at speeds of 3600 or below there is no meaningful benefit in going from 4 dimms to 2 dimms. If you want to run highly overclocked memory, say 4000 MT/s, then offloading the memory controller by using only 2 dimms would make sense. For DDR5 there is a benefit because the memory controller isn't as robust, so if you run two dimms you will be able to stabilize higher memory speeds. This will likely change over time with the release of newer cpu's because the memory controller will mature. We can already see it with 9000 series cpu's, they can support higher speeds with both 2 and 4 dimm's populated.
@@blackbirdpctech I did not see all the videos, it would have just helped in comparison to the all AMD setup. Right now it looks as if intel had more performance, which is not true.
@@UserNamesDontMatter-42 the Intel/Nvidia system I compared it against does generally have more performance, that's just a fact. But it costs considerably more which is why I normalized by cost so I could show the value and then make a recommendation based on that.
Why is all core undervolting pointless? I showed the significant performance improvement by setting an all core offset ... obviously finding an optimum offset for each core will yield better results but from my experience the increase in performance over an all core offset is relatively small.
I have a 5800x3d, 7900 GRE and 32gb 3200 ddr4 and I limit my FPS to 100fps in the games I play at 1440p and 4k. So yes, an all AMD system is perfect as nothing can justify the extra price needed for an Nvidia GPU, that includes RT, just doesn't justify the price at all
Concur with the conclusions drawn in this video. As another point of comparison, a friend bought a 3070 Ti in late 2022 for about $700, same price that I bought an ASRock 6950 XT for in 1Q 2023. Value proposition fluctuates each generation, but at tail end of the last one, AMD was so above and beyond in value that you either need a specific software use case or just brand loyalty to buy the NVIDIA GPU for same price when its worse in gaming.
The interesting thing about the 6000 series is that it got better over time … I really hope that the next few generations from AMD are able to recapture that magic.
I didn't try to optimize around value but if I did I would have selected a cheaper 7900 XTX model ... that's a great deal for a super high-end gaming pc.
A 4080 Super and 7900 XTX are very close in performance so it makes sense that they would be priced similarly. In the US the 7900 XTX tends to be cheaper than the 4080 Super to offset some of the better features that Nvidia offers. I provide benchmarks and compare the two cards in my video: "Should You Buy an RTX 4080 Super or RX 7900 XTX?"
When talking about gaming performance I would argue that most upgrades are not really necessary ... that said if someone is looking to upgrade then it's always good to have the data to make an informed decision.
Isn't there an error in F1 2023 FPS which goes from around 40 at 4K on both setups to .... 200/350 FPS at 1440p ??????? Also you kill the 7900XTX performance with any RT, AMD is still way behind NVidia (in Wukong AMD RT is ridiculously bad, slideshow level...)
There is no error, I explained my test methodology in the video … I change the game settings at different resolutions to provide tests to load the cpu, gpu and create a more balanced scenario. Unfortunately larger tech TH-camrs test at ultra settings, even for CPU’s, which doesn’t load the cpu, even at 1080p. They really don’t understand what they are doing. Wrt RT … this is an issue for AMD, it’s not my issue … it’s a superior graphics option and a valid option to test. If you look at my benchmark suite I have titles that favor Nvidia, such as Cyberpunk, and titles that favor AMD, such as Avatar … my objective is to provide a balanced test suite without bias.
That may be true however it is an objectively superior way to generate 3D graphics versus using an infinite number of polygons (i.e. rasterization). The next gen AMD cards will be far superior at RT than the current gen and my prediction is that it will become the standard approach for PC graphics moving forward.
I've shown those comparisons in previous videos and I developed my test methodology to allow you to look at the impact of each component, even when tested as a combo.
Perhaps ultimate heater since the 14900KS is the worst offender 😉 I built that PC before I was aware of the issues. Intel is now claiming that their new CPUs will not suffer from the same voltage related issues as 13th/14th gen, but the damage has been done to their brand ... I think this lack of trust will significantly impact their sales moving forward.
Wish you had upgrade to the 7900XTX first and then upgraded to the 7800X3D It would have been interesting to see what just the GPU upgrade gets you vs a total replacement.
That’s why I tested the way I did … 1080p/low settings will heavily load the cpu and allow you to see the impact of the cpu change versus 4k/ultra that heavily loads the gpu and allows you to see the impact of the gpu change.
The 3090Ti wasn't available when I purchased this system ... if you recall it was released very late in the product life cycle, not that long before the 4000 series was launched. I had two systems at the time, I had a very cool system from Maingear that was fully water cooled with dual 3090's in SLI (still have it because it is a stunning system to look at) and this system.
I not only left aerospace, I also left AI at a time when AI is booming ... I explain why in my origin story (my first video on my channel). I think it's important to do something you really love.
The front fans are 140mm and I’m using high performance Bequiet! fans, so I’m not too worried about the airflow from them … just wanted to feed the gpu in a better way.
That's a very reasonable statement however if you really want to upgrade I would caution against waiting ... we really don't know when the new cards will be released and typically when they are released they are usually supply constrained, so it might be a while.
@@blackbirdpctech I’ve got a 4060 right now, I’m looking to the 5090, I would go AMD but.. their GPUs are coming out later, but if I fail to get an Nvidia card by the time AMD releases 8000 gpus I’m gonna get the RX 8900 XT/RX 8900 XTX
I did compare those cards in my video: "Should You Buy an RTX 4080 Super or RX 7900 XTX?" The 4080 Super is a great card but if it's about $100 or more than a 7900 XTX then it becomes a tough sell. In addition, for this upgrade I was space constrained with the max length of the card ... the 7900 XTX reference model just fit ... I don't recall ever seeing a 4080 Super with those dimensions.
@blackbirdpctech you can buy one in Greece where I live for about 980 to 1000 euros. The 7900xtx is at sitting at 950 euros so if I am buying a new card I am going for the 4080 super. I need to be able to play everything. Including games with path tracing which in Wukong's case makes it a different game. Don't forget ray reconstruction, better ray tracing performance and less issues. And this comes from an Amd user since the 9800 up until the 5700 xt with a 6 month period where i had a grx 280 if I remember well. The 4080 super is ideal for your resolution, I have a friend who paired it with a Dell 3421 dwf and he has zero issues, even with PT enabled Dlss quality or even balanced help a lot when things get tough. On the other hand with the Amd you got no choice but to pick raytracing or play without it. I made the switch when the 3070 launched, moved to the 3070ti, 3080ti and since 2 years ago the 4090 and I could not be happier.
@@DsLmaNiaC in the US the cheapest 7900 XTX is about $200 less than the cheapest 4080 Super, so it makes it a tougher choice. Not sure I understand why you said that the 4080 super is ideal for my resolution ... what resolution? As a content creator I own a lot of different GPU's ... this was for one of my personal systems that I wanted to upgrade. The case has ironman graphics on it so I'm not looking for another case ... the challenge was to upgrade within the existing case.
@blackbirdpctech are you willing to give up the best product with the ability to run wverything even for 200 dollars? If your budget is not tight, you should go for the 4080 super. For a content creator I think it is overall a better choice too because if the new shadowplay options. The card is a beast in all aspects. On the other hand if the case limits your options what can I say? You don't have many options. You either do that or wait for the next gen. How did the 4080 super worked I before you sold it? On another system?
*Why I chose my RTX4070...* DLSS... other stuff mattered, like power consumption but it really boiled down to DLSS. What's the point of having a better "value" AMD card if the visuals look worse for titles that support upscaling. The differences aren't always super obvious in TH-cam videos but in person the artifacts that FSR can cause is often very distracting. There's NOTHING AMD could do to bring me back in a few years unless they got a good AI upscaling solution AND the existing games I have got upgraded to it. Not just future games.
I recently did a comparison of FSR 3.1 vs DLSS 3.7 vs XeSS 1.3 in my "Should You Buy an RTX 4070 Super or RX 7900 GRE?" video. FSR has improved significantly and many of the older issues have been eliminated entirely but DLSS is still currently better.
-Buy a computer and work- ? No! long and tedious adjusting timings, undervolting something here and there - this is the difficult path of a real samurai)))
The great thing about PC's is that you don't have to optimize it, you can simply use it out-of-the-box ... however, it does give you the option to extract more performance if you learn how. If that doesn't interest you then always get a console, which is basically just a fully locked down PC.
Now run it vs a 9700X and you will see similar performance with lower CPU temps on the 9700X, similar price, and lower power draw. This is why I am jumping from 5600X to 9600X the next time I see the 9600X drop to $200 again.
You could do that but then it wouldn’t be an all AMD pc … you can also still get good money for a 3080 Ti … that will likely change when the 5000 series is released.
@@marcusbrown3880 it depends what your objective is ... if my objective is to publish content on the performance of an all AMD pc then it's not a waste of money
I have a Ryzen 7 5800X3d paired with an RX 7900 XTX and I can tell you true that my all-AMD rig is TOTALLY worth it! I believe that peak high-end gaming value comes from this combination so I would suggest that you test the R7-5800X3D with the XTX vs. the 7800X3D with the XTX. I think that you'll see that at the higher resolutions that someone with an XTX would be gaming at, the difference is negligible. You would've had the same gaming performance at 4K without having to buy a new motherboard, RAM and CPU. All you needed was to upgrade the 3080 Ti to the XTX. THAT is why so many reviewers have declared the 5800X3D to be the "GTX 1080 Ti of CPUs" (the G.O.A.T.). There's a reason why so many AM4 owners (like myself) haven't bothered moving on up to AM5. I have an X570 motherboard, 64GB of DDR4-3600, an R7-5800X3D and an RX 7900 XTX. I game at 4K and there's no setup that would give an appreciably better experience without paying through the nose for a 4K high-refresh display. I chose size over refresh rate and I game on my 55" 4K 60Hz TV. It is absolutely GLORIOUS! I must point out however that having an AIO with ANY X3D CPU is just useless and dumb because X3D chips don't put out much heat and can't be overclocked. My 5800X3D, which puts out more heat than the 7800X3D, is cooled just fine with an AMD Wraith Prism air cooler that cost me (literally) nothing.
I appreciate your passion and comment. I tested the 5800X3D against the 7800X3d (with a 7900 XTX) extensively in my video "5800X3D or 7800X3D - Which One Is Right For You?" While I agree with you that the average FPS at 4K will not be impacted, the 1% lows definitely improved with the 7800X3D, even at 4K. Based on 15 games the 1% lows improved by around 8% at 4K, which is significant. I also disagree with your statement around using AIO's with X3D chips ... the entire thermal solution for this case was designed to use a 280mm AIO in the front. It's not just CPU temps that need to be considered when it comes to PC thermals, you really need to look at how all of your components interact.
Not sure if that's a pro tip, it's more of a preference ... while I don't think they are a great value option today given that there are better options available at a lower price point, they were a reasonably good option at launch. I think the card design, while not as thermally efficient as some other designs, is one of the best looking cards on the market and it's compact. This was a big consideration for this build ... I had limited space, so I couldn't go with something like a Sapphire Nitro+ .
Don’t use ryzen master for what? It is a great tool for manually setting a curve offset … not so great for automatically finding an optimum curve offset.
@blackbirdpctech thr latest aaa titles all having issues with amd. All under performing then amd releases drivers that don't fix it. Seems like nvidia is the far better choice for the future of games that are being developed differently now. Taking much more advantage of nvidias technology then others based even on the integral workings of developers and how they are choosing how to design games. Even without ray tracing nvidia is still doing better. Every nee game is practically promoting nvidia hardware and nvidia is doing the same with the games. Wethere its wukong or the new star wars game or the next 4 aaa titles coming lol. So yeah amd doesn't look like the hottest option right now for compatibility and reliability on the actual playability. This coning from someone who makes sure and tests what the best of both have to offer. Not a 4090 either. Meaning 4080 super and a 7900xt/xtx. So yeah from my view nvidia is the choice for this upcoming generation of games on the generation of hardware we have right now.
I have tested both extensively and while I agree with the fact that AMD takes longer to get their drivers right, I disagree on the fundamental technology. There is no question that Nvidia has an advantage with RT but AMD is rapidly catching up … there is only so much however they can do with software alone … they need their next gen hardware to help accelerate and fully catch up to Nvidia. That said, AMD is competing heavily on cost, so when you look at value that needs to be a large consideration. At equal price I would likely choose Nvidia but typically an equivalent AMD card is $100+ cheaper, so that makes it a much tougher decision. For this video I focused on the question of whether an all AMD gaming pc is worth it and based on the data the answer is yes.
Dude, no use in defending that awful case. No, 2 dinky little slits on the side will not provide enough airflow, as many, many (failed) designs have more than successfully demonstrated. (Man i hope you don't build your rockets like your PC's...)
Hopefully you realize that data matters more than an opinion. I was skeptical at first but the fact is the thermals in this case are actually quite good. I also didn’t design the case … I did however design the world’s fastest helicopter, so what would I know about airflow 😉
Great system … I compared the 7700X with the 7800X3D and there is not much difference, especially at higher resolutions. I also recently compared the 7900 gre against the 4070 Super … the gre is a fantastic card.
Nicely done.
Thanks ... I really like Falcon Northwest ... the aerospace background of the owner helps drive some cool innovation in their products.
This sounds like an ad 😂.
Are you colleges?
@@DingleBerryschnapps I don't know the Falcon CEO, I just respect the fact that he brings a background in engineering and science to the design of PC's.
4 weeks ago i built a 7950x3d and 7900xtx combo. It exceeded my expectations.
The ultimate all AMD combo 😉
well, what did you expect? these are their top of the line consumer products...
@@erraldstyler i expected them to run minesweeper at 60 fps
Sounds like a pretty good budget build
Im rocking a 7800X3D with a 7900XT and I love it! I can crank pretty much any game at max quality with no problem!
Nice combo!
Yes. I’ve been running this exact setup for a year and it’s amazing. Updated from a 7700K + 1080Ti. Very happy, no regrets!
A pretty big upgrade ... what 7900 XTX variant did you buy?
@@blackbirdpctech Asrock Taichi
Nice card.
Excellent video! I literally just built a 7800x3d and 7900xtx pc yesterday for myself. Old pc was crashing games almost every game so had no time to wait for any “soon to be released” tech. Still dialing it in, but very happy so far. Came from an i7 9700k and 2070 super, which is still pretty good, but an all AMD top spec is way better. ( paired with Gigabyte x670 x ax gaming MB, g.skill 2x16gb 6000 30-36-36-? RAM, Kingston 7000r/wr ssd, NZXT H9 flow case) happy! Cheers.
Great motherboard … let me know what undervolt you are able to achieve.
@@blackbirdpctech I’ll do some tests today and comment back! Cheers!
Just be prepared … if you push it too far you will likely need to flash the bios … not a big deal, but just wanted you to know.
My kids are running 5800x3d's w/6950xt's at 1440p. Monster setup for a couple of 14 year old's that were slowly upgraded over time as components went on massive discount
They must love it ... compare that to what I had as a kid ... 8086 with cga (4 color) graphics 😉
A more fair comparison would've been the 4080 to the 7900 XTX. Obviously the 7900 XTX is going to blow the 3080 Ti out of the water considering it's last gen.
Agreed, I have videos comparing the 4080 and 4080S against the 7900 XTX … for this video I wanted to see how an all AMD system would do against a good prior gen system and an ultimate high-end pc … it actually performed really well.
@@blackbirdpctech Fair enough. Great video, thanks for all the info.
Or at this point, the 4080 Super, since NVIDIA dropped the price on that so its $960 to $1,100 depending on which model you get, which is a stone's throw from the $900 to $1,030 that the 7900 XTX still goes for. The 4080 Super is simply the better GPU and would be a better upgrade for a 5800X3D user than a whole system upgrade if they have an older GPU. But then, you have to be able to spend that much on a GPU!
I compared a reference model 4080 Super with a reference 7900XTX … the price cut on the 4080 really helps it.
@@savagej4y241 bingo I just got an 4080 super with an 5700x3D and my rig beats anything I throw at em I thought about going am5 but it a price difference so an 4080 super wasn’t looking too bad! Coming from 2060 super 3600
And i am just sitting here, with my 5800x3d AND the 7900xtx, don't know what to do now with this informations xD anyway.. great job as always and keep going =)
I wouldn't do anything, especially if you game at higher resolutions ... the 5800X3D was and still is a great cpu.
Great video as usual, really enjoy your content. Keep up the good work sir !
Thank you, really glad you liked it!
Just built a 9700x/7900xt combo. Very happy with it.
Hopefully this helped you extract additional performance from your CPU ... I'm going to test it with 8000 MT/s RAM in a future video ... I'm very curious as to how it will perform.
i have had this cpu gpu combo for just under a year now and play in 4k and its been awesome
I have this combo as my media pc hooked up to my large tv as well and it has been great.
@@blackbirdpctech it seem's great minds think alike when i build this system because i upgraded my monitor to a LG C2 65 inch .. i have a small table and office chair for more productive work and gaming and a recliner next to each other and the oled is great viewing angle from either position 😁 thoroughly recommended best of both worlds
That is the exact tv I have ... I built my media pc in a fractal design ridge case ... looks great and performs really well.
I recently went from a 5950X to a 7950X3D while keeping my 3080TI.
This video I think corrolates well to my change, but I'm assuming I gained more due to the 5950X not being X3D.
I would be interested in seeing the 7800X3D with the 3080TI to see what just changing the CPU did you your performance.
To understand the impact of just the cpu simply look at the 1080p/low results … this combination heavily loads the cpu and offloads the gpu. This is the reason I test this way instead of simply testing at ultra game settings like most other tech TH-camrs.
I have 7800X3D paired with a shappire 7900xt great setup
Sapphire makes great cards.
I , my wife and my kid we are all gamers, we have 2 full AMD gaming PC's with 3rd one on the way , one has 5800X3D + 7900XTX and the other 7800X3D + 7900XTX , definitely worth it :D
Living the dream my friend 😉
@@blackbirdpctech Thanks !! :D
4090 stock power cable catches fire let alone an overclocked 4090
I think it's important to put that in to perspective, the failures shouldn't happen but the failure rate is extremely low. What's interesting about the Matrix Platinum is that it has sensors on the adaptor that feed into the GPU Tweak software to show if the connector is plugged in and functioning correctly ... it's a feature that all 4090's should have.
Love my 5800X3D/6800XT rig.
The 5800x3d is still a great cpu … never tested the 6800xt, but the 6000 series definitely got better over time.
And those conclusions also mean that the real ultimate pc would be a combination of the 7800X3D and the 4090.
That is very true ... or the 7950X3D. I've been planning a new ultimate PC build around the X670e Godlike, 7950X3D and 4090 ... with the 9000 series released and the new X870e boards coming soon I'm considering whether to build now or wait.
@@blackbirdpctech Well depending on when the new X3D variants will come out it might be worth it to wait for that as well.
But rumors say it might take until CES when it finally happens.
Yeah, I think the X3D chips and the 5000 series will be announced at CES ... I might just build it and then upgrade it ... that way I could show the benchmarks between a 7950X3D/4090 and a 9950X3D/5090 ... that would make for some cool content.
You can get BeQuiet! Pure Wings 2 at 80/92 mm (also the initial Shadow Wing fans if you can find them), and 40/80/92 mm from Arctic in several varieties.
I have the BeQuiet! Fans but they are too large … someone suggested the silverstone FDP02 which would have been ideal and would look better.
@@blackbirdpctech I've only just seen that now. It looks like it might produce a bit more noise as an intake, looks designed for exhaust (either orientation might work on this build).
I ordered one to check it out … this case definitely needs an intake below the gpu.
🎉🎉🎉 Very well done sir!
Thanks, glad you liked it!
This is what Im rocking too, 7800X3D and 7900 XTX. Cant complain, but I would like ray tracing in some games and AMD barely supports any games with RT.
This is one of the reasons that I wanted to test the 7900 XTX against a 3080 Ti ... the ray tracing performance is very similar. AMD does support ray tracing however they just use software versus having dedicated hardware on the gpu to accelerate RT performance. I expect that will change with their next gen GPU's.
I recently paired a 7900x3d with a 7900xtx…. It is awesome but I can’t find many comparisons in 24
Nice system ... what do you mean by "... can't find many comparisons in 24"
I mean it seems like no one bought the 7900x3d everyone just got the 7950x3d so i have a hard time finding recent pairings to compare my results to …. or any at all actually
Understood … the choice by AMD to place 3D V-cache on only half the cores for the high-end processors made this chip interesting … will see if I can get my hands on one to test.
That would be awesome !!
Awesome! I have just saved enough for my new pc and now I'm waiting for the release of the Blackwell gpus (I pray they get released later this year). I think I have my mind set on an nvidia gpu since I would also like to mess with other things like AI. From what I have seen the ryzen 9 9950 is very similar to the r7 7800x3d so I'm praying that the new x3d variants will also have a big performance boost. I can't wait to play games with high fps and graphics on 1440p. My current system is soo bad that I can't even run games like tf2 and other low end games without low fps and significant frame drops :/. Great video once again!
Love it ... one of the best parts about doing a new build is ordering your components and then having them arrive ... it's like Christmas every day ... I'm happy for you ... if there is something I can do to help please let me know. I would recommend using a thermal pad of some type for your cpu instead of paste ... they are so easy to use without any performance drop or mess.
@blackbirdpctech thank you very much, you're videos alone are more than enough- I couldn't ask for more! I'm considering just paying someone else to build it for me since I have no experience and don't want to risk breaking something so expensive 😅
I really am interested in the undervolting of the cpu and will definitely consider doing that with my cpu if it's safe and is worth the change!
Appreciate your speedy replies, even if I don't have a question 😃
i would have tested 5800x3D vs 7800x3D at the same time to see what is coming from the CPU upgrade and from the GC upgrade... but great video guys, Thx!
The reason that I test the way that I do is to isolate the impact of the CPU from the GPU, even when upgrading multiple components at the same time. So if you look at the 1080p/low results they will show you the impact of the CPU because under these conditions the CPU is heavily loaded, likewise when you look at the 4K/ultra results they will show you the impact of the GPU because under these conditions the GPU is heavily loaded.
@@blackbirdpctech i understand your reasoning as more global perfs difference on a newer build.... but anyway, i would have been interested in what part is more CPU and more GPU. I think it would have been interesting.
Also, the new windows update will have a major impact on the CPU side.
I'm still on a 5800x3D and i can't see any bottleneck with it but i only use 4k resolution.
@@armirol you should checkout my video: "5800X3D or 7800X3D - Which One Is Right For You?" where I test the 5800X3D against the 7800X3D and give my recommendation on whether it is worth upgrading. With respect to the new version of Windows, I'm not sure if you saw the recent video from Hardware Canucks but they uncovered an issue with the new 24H2 version of Windows that was giving misleading results ... Microsoft had for some reason turned off memory integrity by default, which was in turn responsible for most of the large boost in performance. All of the other tech TH-camrs missed it and incorrectly stated that this new version would significantly boost performance for AMD users. The thread director update will improve performance but it will only be about 2%, not the 10% other outlets were saying. You also don't have to wait, just update your current version of Windows.
I'm currently upgrading from Ryzen 5 5600 to 7 7800x3d to see what else is in my rx6900xt.
I mainly play VR on PC
The 6900XT is still a great card ... you should see a relatively large boost in performance with the jump to a 7800X3D, especially in VR.
I went from a Ryzen 7 1800X and an RX590 to a Ryzen 9 7900 and an RX 7900XTX and I can say with no uncertainty I am not loyal to AMD. If in 5 years it makes more sense to build an all blue system or add in an nVidia card, I will but currently AMD make the most sense to me.
That is the attitude that makes the most sense to me ... not sure why anyone would be loyal to a brand ... look at the data and select the best option ... obviously things like aesthetics and personal preference matter, but in general go with the best option for your use case.
@blackbirdpctech some people are loyal due to that product just working and not giving any hassle
@@Zombie101that makes sense however if you never give a different brand a chance then you will help reduce competition, which will eventually drive prices up.
@@blackbirdpctech yeah, and the gap and ego inflation of nvidia is at an all time high. we need battlemage and amd to up the game
We definitely need Battlemage to show up ... Nvidia is riding high ... someone needs to knock them down a peg ... I really feel like AMD needs to fire their entire marketing department and recruit from Nvidia ... AMD had a golden opportunity with the 9000 series cpu launch coming right at a time when Intel was screwing up and what did they do, over promise and under deliver ... they never fail to screw up an opportunity.
Well my upgrade has to wait till next year cause I'm broke AF and trying to save for next year God willing.
Saving to build your system is smart ... I see people buy on credit when they can't afford it ... definitely not something I would recommend.
I have a Ryzen 3700x with 3080 Ti wondering if its worth it to upgrade Mobo/CPU/Ram but stick with GPU for a bit.
Great question ... I recently upgraded a system with a 3600X and 3060 to a system with a 5700X3D and 4060Ti, so you can check that video out to get an idea of the performance uplift you should expect. I would definitely get a 5700X3D or 5800X3D ... that way you could save some money and stick with the same motherboard and RAM, just make sure to update your bios first. A 3080 Ti is still a good card, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with hanging on to it for a while.
5700x3d only and hang onto the TI.
As long as you don’t wanna run URE5 games, XTX is great but really struggles in URE5
I saw the recent issues with running Wukong … hopefully the new drivers will help fix that … I plan to test them out later today.
@@blackbirdpctech wow 👌 can't wait for your video on it!
@@mybeautifulcat7011 not sure that it will be enough for a video ... might just do a post with some benchmarks
@@blackbirdpctech I hope it works out for you and your XTX. I just sold a 6950 XT, was a fast card but as more developers move to URE5, just needed something that wouldn’t struggle while using the engine features
@@Kapono5150 I use cards from AMD, Nvidia and Intel, so I have options ... one of the larger challenges is for handhelds that basically all use AMD GPU's (with the exception of the MSI Claw).
Fantastic video!!!
Thank you, appreciate the feedback!
For streaming and gaming purposes, would an all and build be reasonable?
Absolutely ... the reality is you can build an awesome streaming/gaming rig from AMD, Intel and/or Nvidia ... what we are really talking about is a relatively small amount of FPS difference between the options (at least at a similar tier). The integrated GPU on the 7000 series cpu's does help with streaming while gaming.
Im running Ryzen 7 7800 X3D with Aorus Rtx 4070 ti super master edition. I'm more than satisfied with it.
Nice combo, enjoy!
I prefer Nvidia GPUs but I mean the answer to this title question is objectively YES lol. I just bought with what I thought made the most sense, I have no allegiances. So that ended up with me having an AMD CPU but Nvidia GPU.
That's a great combination and there is nothing wrong with having a preference.
cant comment on the rx 7900 xtx but it be intresting to see if its rendering frames correctly with anti aliasing as i found the rx 6700 xt previous generation had buggy anti aliasing that seemed to be determined by odd issues with direct x 9 and 11 titles so while framerate was high it wasn't rendering properly. nvidia also had similar issues but got that issue clamped down with a work around. if it wasnt fixed in 7000 series this may be what amd are fixing in rdna 4. also did they ever fix the multi monitor pulling insane wattage at idle.
Interesting … will need to look into that more. I believe the focus for rdna 4 is hardware acceleration for improved RT performance.
@@blackbirdpctech first game i tested Tales of Arise broken anti aliasing on grass and hair. something to do with reflections as well as it wasn't rendering shadows properly. im certain its rdna related because i tested same game with a gcn gpu rx 460 and didnt get this issue. even though cyber punk is a direct x 12 title there was still some issues with rendering e.g rails not rendering properly cylinder some buildings not having rendered up close. i went threw every list of anti aliasing. tried brute forcing it threw amds own software as well. clean wiped tested another card of same family same issue.
the only way i could get rid of some of the symptoms was amds super sampling but still had some render issues. if you google around you can find quite a few topics on it. shimmering/object glitching.
I am familiar with shimmering being an issue with fsr ... looks like they have virtually eliminated that issue with the latest version of fsr, however there still appears to be some ghosting.
@@blackbirdpctech turned fsr off completely ( i thought that as well i never use downscaling cause i like to get a gauge of what the card can do) i turned off amd sharpening thinking it was that. turned it on ( it made the symptoms way more noticable). pretty much pulled my hair out then just sent the card back. going to see if intel cards have similar issues have 1 on order from what ive been told ( unconfirmed from a friend) intel does well with rendering and anti aliasing better then amds rdna but seems to take a penalty in framerate.
@@jamv2122 let me know what you discover with the Intel card.
I have a Ryzen 9 7950x3d and a rx 7900xtx. This PC is an UFO!
The ultimate AMD combo!
You will get better performance with other card manufacturers my XFX 7900xtx performs 6% better than the AMD reference card used in this video BUT the card is larger and requires more power with a 3rd 8pin. I'm very happy I switched to AMD during the 6000 series after I was dissatisfied with my 2080 Super's performance, at the time they locked regular VRR to the 2000 series I didn't like getting Gouged 100$-200$ for G-sync back then.
That’s true, my favorite 7900 XTX is the Sapphire Nitro+, which I heavily overclocked in a prior video. For this upgrade I was heavily space constrained, so the reference design was the only high-end card I had that would fit … and it barely made it. It is a beautiful looking card in my opinion.
The reference editions are nice to have as collector pieces which is why I have a RX 6700 XT Reference.
I wouldn't use it in a sff build as I have a ASRock Challenger version for that with better thermals.
The price isn’t great relative to other models either … I do however love the look of it.
I run a 7900x and 7900xtx. Absolutely in love. My kid runs a 7800x3d with a 7900GRE. He said he’s good until 11th gen 😂😂. I play 4k and he’s happy with 1440. Nvidia can keep their high prices.
I like the 7900X a lot ... not so much the 7900X3D, so you made a good choice. I recently tested the GRE and I was impressed with the performance offered from that card ... very easy to undervolt and overclock. I am waiting for my daughter to get old enough so we can game together ... planning to build a PC with her soon so she can start early (she is 6) 😉
@@blackbirdpctech well I mean it’s never too early. You do have that underwhelming 14th gen with that budget gpu. That should be a great beginner PC 😂😂👍
@@EpicValleysStill ha ha … she is definitely not getting that gpu 😉
There are some rumors that AMD is disguising the real RDNA 4 performance specs to try and catch Nvidia with their pants down. I hope the rumors are true!!!
That would be great for consumers … it’s always better to under promise and over deliver.
Change out the pads on your gpu and change out thermal compound too. 13° difference for hotspot is not great
Yes I noticed that too ... I simply need to find the time to do it.
Cpu 7800 over the 9000 series? Your thoughts
My next video will be comparing the 9700X against the 7800X3D ... take a look at my most recent post to see the results, they are truly amazing ... I would now recommend getting a 9700X over a 7800X3D based on my testing.
@@blackbirdpctech thank you
@@anthonysantacruz5898 you are welcome, the video has a step-by-step guide on how to optimize the 9700X ... it should be posted by Saturday/Sunday at the latest ... if you do plan to buy a 9700X please use the amazon affiliate link from my post, it really helps.
@@blackbirdpctech will do
is the Ryzen 9900x both good for gaming and work station
I haven’t tested it yet however I do plan to in the very near future.
If you're using the 7900xtx then 4K is all you should be doing. Considering that, the 4080 Super is a better card because RT and DLSS will give you better visuals and higher fps. E-Sports games should be played at 1080p or 1440p. A 7800xt or a 4070 Super is all you'd need for 1440p. For CPU, AMD all the way. Ryzen 7600X or 7800x3d is the way even after the 9000 series launch.
That is a reasonable comment and I generally agree, however if you have a 1440p high refresh rate monitor ... or even a 1080p ultra high refresh rate monitor, then a 7900 xtx would still be worthwhile, especially if you dial the graphics settings in games up to ultra. I tested and compared the 4080 Super against the 7900 xtx in my video: "Should You Buy an RTX 4080 Super or RX 7900 XTX? 🛑Plus GPU Overclocking Guide🛑", if you can purchase a 7900 XTX for $100+ less than a 4080 Super then that would be my choice.
@@blackbirdpctech I can see the need for $1k gpus for professional e-sports gamers with 360hz monitors. But I think for most people with 165hz-240hz monitors, a 4070 super is all you need. From my experience with Fortnite, I'm getting 260fps+ with a 7800x3d paired with a 4070 super on non-fully compromised settings and 100% native 1440p resolution. Guess you can make the point that a 7900xt or a 4070ti super should be considered for 1440p 240hz gaming for those who would rather hold their gpus for longer.
@@pshhyeahh I agree ... I recently compared the 4070 super against the 7900 GRE ... I liked both cards ... not sure why people give the 4070 Super so much grief, it's a good card.
As a fellow 5800x3d owner I can't justify the total system re-build for "ONLY" 56% game performance upgrade. Hopefully the 10K series CPU's will double performance in all applications!
The 5800x3d was ahead of its time … still a great chip.
And this is further compounded when you factor in that the likely use case of 1440p on high or custom high settings with a 5800X3D and 3080 Ti (or better, since there's more powerful GPU's like the 4070 Ti Super for less money that the 5800X3D isn't a bottleneck with) already surpasses a baseline of 90 FPS 1% lows in so many titles. 4K is a nonfactor for gaming IMO, an ultrawide 1600p monitor would be the step up.
At 4K it’s all about the gpu … the cpu doesn’t matter as much.
@@blackbirdpctech Why is the 7800x3d the best choice in this situation?. It has integrated graphics which wouldn't be used in this situation anyway because of the dedicated graphics card. Am I missing something?
@@SonderZensei are you asking why I went with AM5 versus sticking with AM4? The 7800X3D is an exceptionally good gaming focused chip, it offers chart topping performance and a great price. It's one of the easier choices to make when building a gaming PC. The fact that it has integrated graphics isn't really a consideration that impacts gaming.
Got 5800x3D and RTX 4090. I dont see myself upgrading anything till AM6. Maybe monitor.
That's a great combination 👌
Great video , I have a question , which GPU do you think is perfect pair for 5800x3d ? I am using 1080p build , thinking to buy 7800XT but i'm not sure if it's going to bottleneck and overall overkill.
Kind of overkill to get 7800XT for 1080p. Use the card with a high 1440p refresh rate. Or use it for 60-80FPS 4K gaming. On 1080p the GPU card will almost always be limited by the CPU. Could be worth it if you use a very very high refresh rate 1080p monitor.
The comment from @FireCestina1200 is accurate ... at 1080p you will typically be cpu bound, so the gpu will not matter as much unless you dial up the graphics settings and//or use a very high refresh rate monitor. That said you could either go with a 7700XT or if you are considering getting a 1440p monitor in the future then you might want to consider the 7900 GRE (checkout my recent comparison video with the 4070 Super) ... I think that is a better option when compared with the 7800XT.
@@blackbirdpctech thank you for the answer , but im still wondering , does being cpu bound mean I will have crash problems or blue screens etc , or will it just make stuttering during gameplay , I am fine with 60 - 80 fps triple A games , I usually even put everything on medium to high so I dont put pressure on my gear that it doesnt overheat much . So overall in my case - more = less? My gpu is RX 7600 the 8 GB version
@@BruceUZULUL it simply means you are loading the cpu more than the gpu ... it shouldn't result in any issues like crashes or stuttering unless your system is unstable.
To be honest, when the 9950X3D & 8950 XTX release, I think AMD will be better geared toward 5090 Ti competition. For now though, I think that combination is a much better value than what Intel and Nvidia have to offer, that being the i7-14700K and RTX 4080 SUPER
From the rumors that I've heard AMD may not try to compete at the high-end with the 8000 series GPU's ... not great news for consumers and expect a 5090 to be priced accordingly (i.e. super high).
@@blackbirdpctech Looks like I got my hopes up too high then. A $2500 5090 is the last thing we need. I was hoping for a great $1200 option that could really fix the Nvidia Monopoly we are stuck in
I think they are focused on the 9000 series GPU’s to try to compete at the high end … that likely means another entire cycle with over priced Nvidia cards
Going on AMD on my last high end rig was the biggest waste of money and regret I've had building PCs. I would have been so much happier if I had spent the small amount more to build an Intel/Nvidia PC. Especially since I wasn't limited by money. I was just on the AMD hype train at the time and thought it would be just as good or better. I've learned my lesson.
That’s interesting, especially given the recent issues with higher end Intel CPU’s … what went wrong to make you regret your choice?
@@blackbirdpctech Pretty much something else every month. The biggest would probably be the lack of all the best features. If I'm already going to be spending $1000 on a GPU, I might as well spend a bit more to make sure I have all the best features. At the time I built my current gaming PC, I thought AMD was going to be taking gaming and graphics more seriously, but it never panned out. The only titles they support are big console ports for the most part, and even then they can't work with the developers enough to make sure their features are working correctly. Ratchet and Clank was a big one that made AMD look extremely pathetic to me. They sponsored it, it was a big console port, and at launch their features weren't working while the competition's features were. I've heard from many game studios that AMD won't return their calls or help them integrate their tech in any way, while Nvidia throws tons and tons of money even to small indie devs to make sure their technology is always implemented in the best possible way.
And that's just the start when it comes to indie studios. I play almost exclusively indie games and indie developers just don't develop or test with AMD hardware. There has been a bug where UE 5.1 games won't run on Radeon cards for like 2 years now, and games still come out built on 5.1 where the only option to play them is to force them to run in DX11 mode. And that doesn't work 100% of the time.
I used to say the one thing Radeon had on Geforce was Adrenaline, but Adrenaline has been a nightmare for me lately. It's dog slow. Any time I click on a new tab, it takes like 30 seconds to load. I get way too many graphics crashes, and Adrenaline just won't even load a lot of the time. I've ran DDU, ran as administrator, all kinds of stuff. It still keeps happening. I've never had any issues like that with Nvidia, and I also daily drive 2 other PCs with high end Nvidia cards. One with a Ryzen CPU and one with an Intel.
And when it comes to CPUs, there's a lot of reasons I prefer Intel, even now with the "current problems" because those problems have never been a problem for me because I manually tune all of my hardware. It's been obvious to me that 1.5-1.6 vcore is and has always been way too high. I tried warning people for the last 2 years. Now it's this big revelation, where the largest techtubers act like they don't know what could be going on. And also since I like to tune my hardware myself, I wouldn't want another locked 3D CPU. They are great CPUs for my son who doesn't know how to tune it himself and doesn't want me taking over his computer for hours at a time to tweak and stress test, but I don't mind doing that on my own PCs.
And lastly when it comes to CPUs, I don't really care if a AAA game gets 180 or 190fps. What I do care about is if an esports game gets 400 or 500 fps, and for the most part I trust Intel to do that better. I've also noticed that with every Ryzen CPU I've ever had, there are slight stutters here and there when running at really high frame rates and you turn really fast. I haven't seen Intel CPUs do that.
Damn, I really hope you didn't take the time to read all of this, but if you did, thank you. I wish I could have said it in less words, but I feel the need to really explain everything when going against the grain, and since TH-cam is the cult of AMD worshipers, which I once was, I get a lot of people calling me an idiot unless I really explain why I don't like AMD anymore.
Great comment and justification ... I read it all and I think you have valid reasons for making this choice. I don't see the point in being brand aligned ... I will always try to let the data guide me. It's crazy, I did an ultra high-end intel/nvidia build a few months ago and I got called names by people claiming I was an nvidia or intel shill and that I had abandoned AMD. I just like pc tech ... I don't really care who the manufacturer is ... it's fun to test lots of different hardware and see what you can do with it. Thanks for spending the time to provide a comprehensive comment, much appreciated.
@@blackbirdpctech Wow! Thank you for reading all of that. And I agree. It's fun to build fast machines and see whay you can do with them. On of my favorite in the last few years was my home theater PC. It has a 2080ti and a 10700k in it. There is so little room in there that I cut all of my cables to be the perfect length so I didn't have to try to jam wads of cables into the only air channels. It turned out awesome. I even managed to fit a 120mm AIO in there for the CPU. It's so dense and heavy for such a small package that I named it The Singularity because it might create a black hole. 😄 Thanks for your comment and your video. It was very well done. And while I wouldn't personally build an all AMD PC for myself right now for most use cases, of course I still think your conclusion was accurate.
SFF builds are super fun … but cutting your own cables requires some definite skill to make sure you get the pinouts correct … if you screw that up your entire pc can go up in smoke … clearly you know what you are doing, I bet it looked super clean on the inside.
OMG this is awesome!!
Thanks for watching!
I'm running 5800x3d & 7900 xt. Runs nice.
Great combo, enjoy!
@@blackbirdpctech Tried Ryzen Master. Looks like they disabled the options for my CPU. Guess I would have to undervolt in BIOS. (edit: fingers typed something different than my brain)
@@wolfstryder69 take a look at my recent video: “What's The Best Upgrade for AM4 Based Gaming PCs?” … I show you how to easily undervolt using a free program for 5000 series CPU’s.
@@blackbirdpctech Thanks for the info. I auto undervolted my 7900 xt and did a -30 offset on my 5800x3d. I'm getting around 7 degrees cooler on my cpu at max load. It no longer hits the over 90 degree mark, which is nice. For synthetic benchmarks, 3dmark and Cinebench, I'm getting close to 10 percent higher scores. I'm not sure how much more performance I'll get in games, but if it prevents throttling temps I'll be happy.
@@wolfstryder69 awesome results!!
I've always heard amd has a general higher latency then nvidia and intel..Is there anything in this?🤔
That's true ... a chiplet design that relies on transferring information through interconnects will always be slower than a monolithic design. That said a chiplet design will be cheaper and allow you to use different manufacturing nodes to package a solution. Intel's next gen cpu's are rumored to be chiplet based and future Nvidia gpu designs will likely move away from a monolithic design for cost reasons. All of that said is it something that you will notice in games? No, unless you are an e-sport professional then it's not something you should be concerned about.
@@blackbirdpctech tnx for the enlightenment tho🔥🔥
what about AMD 7800X3D and 2080 Super? compared to the 7900 XTX GPU?
Will I get similar or better performance?
@@sv_surron ah yes nvidia fanboy , thinking rtx 5* your fps. 2080 is "old" and even with dlss you won't match the performance of a 7900 xtx playing at native . The performance will be much worse. Go get a used rtx 3080 or 3080 ti if you must go nvidia for cuda. If you alr got the 2080 super it's fine for now and it's fine to wait longer until an upgrade.
No, the 7900 XTX will offer significantly higher performance when compared with a 2080 Super.
@@blackbirdpctech Sorry I meant 4080 Super 😂
@@Unknown-wd7ub Sorry I meant 4080 Super 😂
@@sv_surron no problem ... a much better question ... take a look at my comparison video: "Should You Buy an RTX 4080 Super or RX 7900 XTX? 🛑Plus GPU Overclocking Guide🛑" to see the data for yourself. The 4080 Super is tough to beat but if you can get a 7900 XTX for a great price, say $100+ cheaper, then that is likely your best option.
You get a 5-10% boost just from switching from 4 sticks of ram to 2.
That's not really true. For DDR4 RAM at speeds of 3600 or below there is no meaningful benefit in going from 4 dimms to 2 dimms. If you want to run highly overclocked memory, say 4000 MT/s, then offloading the memory controller by using only 2 dimms would make sense. For DDR5 there is a benefit because the memory controller isn't as robust, so if you run two dimms you will be able to stabilize higher memory speeds. This will likely change over time with the release of newer cpu's because the memory controller will mature. We can already see it with 9000 series cpu's, they can support higher speeds with both 2 and 4 dimm's populated.
You should have tested the 7800x3d with the 4090 as well.
I did in prior videos, in fact I compared a highly overclocked sapphire nitro+ 7900 xtx against a 4090 to see how close I could get it in performance.
@@blackbirdpctech I did not see all the videos, it would have just helped in comparison to the all AMD setup.
Right now it looks as if intel had more performance, which is not true.
@@UserNamesDontMatter-42 the Intel/Nvidia system I compared it against does generally have more performance, that's just a fact. But it costs considerably more which is why I normalized by cost so I could show the value and then make a recommendation based on that.
For undervolting, testing each individual core it's ideal for stability, as all core testing is pointless.
Why is all core undervolting pointless? I showed the significant performance improvement by setting an all core offset ... obviously finding an optimum offset for each core will yield better results but from my experience the increase in performance over an all core offset is relatively small.
I have a 5800x3d, 7900 GRE and 32gb 3200 ddr4 and I limit my FPS to 100fps in the games I play at 1440p and 4k.
So yes, an all AMD system is perfect as nothing can justify the extra price needed for an Nvidia GPU, that includes RT, just doesn't justify the price at all
Nice system … I recently compared the 7900 GRE against the 4070 Super … great performing card that can be easily undervolted and overclocked.
honestly if I was building new I would go with the 7800x3d or rumored 76003d with a 7900GRE and 32gb ram.
I recently tested a gre against a 4070 super … it’s a great option.
@@blackbirdpctech agree and with 16gb of ram it should hold it owns
Concur with the conclusions drawn in this video. As another point of comparison, a friend bought a 3070 Ti in late 2022 for about $700, same price that I bought an ASRock 6950 XT for in 1Q 2023. Value proposition fluctuates each generation, but at tail end of the last one, AMD was so above and beyond in value that you either need a specific software use case or just brand loyalty to buy the NVIDIA GPU for same price when its worse in gaming.
The interesting thing about the 6000 series is that it got better over time … I really hope that the next few generations from AMD are able to recapture that magic.
I made an all amd pc for only 1900$ (7 7800X3d + xtx)
I didn't try to optimize around value but if I did I would have selected a cheaper 7900 XTX model ... that's a great deal for a super high-end gaming pc.
NVIDIA has priced it's self out of the market in Australia. 4080 is the same price as a 7900xtx.
A 4080 Super and 7900 XTX are very close in performance so it makes sense that they would be priced similarly. In the US the 7900 XTX tends to be cheaper than the 4080 Super to offset some of the better features that Nvidia offers. I provide benchmarks and compare the two cards in my video: "Should You Buy an RTX 4080 Super or RX 7900 XTX?"
@@blackbirdpctech 4090 is over $3000 Australia in most stores.🙄
That's crazy ... I miss Australia and my family there but I don't miss the tech prices 😉
I have 7900XTX and 7900X. For love of god go for 4080!
What was the issue you had with the 7900XTX?
I guess if you have the money get it. But seems like an upgrade that shouldn't be needed in most cases for a longer time then 2 years
When talking about gaming performance I would argue that most upgrades are not really necessary ... that said if someone is looking to upgrade then it's always good to have the data to make an informed decision.
A real rocket uses Intel… because its cores explode like a space rocket during “meltdown”
Ha ha
Mix CPUs and GPUs... ;-)
The ultimate combo of course is a 7800x3d and 4090 … or 7950x3d
Isn't there an error in F1 2023 FPS which goes from around 40 at 4K on both setups to .... 200/350 FPS at 1440p ???????
Also you kill the 7900XTX performance with any RT, AMD is still way behind NVidia (in Wukong AMD RT is ridiculously bad, slideshow level...)
There is no error, I explained my test methodology in the video … I change the game settings at different resolutions to provide tests to load the cpu, gpu and create a more balanced scenario. Unfortunately larger tech TH-camrs test at ultra settings, even for CPU’s, which doesn’t load the cpu, even at 1080p. They really don’t understand what they are doing.
Wrt RT … this is an issue for AMD, it’s not my issue … it’s a superior graphics option and a valid option to test. If you look at my benchmark suite I have titles that favor Nvidia, such as Cyberpunk, and titles that favor AMD, such as Avatar … my objective is to provide a balanced test suite without bias.
honestly not everyone cares about RT.
That may be true however it is an objectively superior way to generate 3D graphics versus using an infinite number of polygons (i.e. rasterization). The next gen AMD cards will be far superior at RT than the current gen and my prediction is that it will become the standard approach for PC graphics moving forward.
I would like to see 14900k + rtx 4080 super vs 7800x3d + 7900xtx in gaming XD
I've shown those comparisons in previous videos and I developed my test methodology to allow you to look at the impact of each component, even when tested as a combo.
I wouldn't call a 14900ks an ultimate cpu... since its not going to last very long:D
Perhaps ultimate heater since the 14900KS is the worst offender 😉 I built that PC before I was aware of the issues. Intel is now claiming that their new CPUs will not suffer from the same voltage related issues as 13th/14th gen, but the damage has been done to their brand ... I think this lack of trust will significantly impact their sales moving forward.
Wish you had upgrade to the 7900XTX first and then upgraded to the 7800X3D
It would have been interesting to see what just the GPU upgrade gets you vs a total replacement.
That’s why I tested the way I did … 1080p/low settings will heavily load the cpu and allow you to see the impact of the cpu change versus 4k/ultra that heavily loads the gpu and allows you to see the impact of the gpu change.
3080TI 12GB is good cars but why not the 3090TI 24GB? U made a mistake 2 years ago.
The 3090Ti wasn't available when I purchased this system ... if you recall it was released very late in the product life cycle, not that long before the 4000 series was launched. I had two systems at the time, I had a very cool system from Maingear that was fully water cooled with dual 3090's in SLI (still have it because it is a stunning system to look at) and this system.
you left... rocket science!!??
I not only left aerospace, I also left AI at a time when AI is booming ... I explain why in my origin story (my first video on my channel). I think it's important to do something you really love.
Or the more better option is to replace all the fans with Phanteks t30s
The front fans are 140mm and I’m using high performance Bequiet! fans, so I’m not too worried about the airflow from them … just wanted to feed the gpu in a better way.
It is not worth upgrading, that original PC is already super nice and good, if you’re gonna upgrade weight for RTX 5000 or AMDs 8000 gpus
That's a very reasonable statement however if you really want to upgrade I would caution against waiting ... we really don't know when the new cards will be released and typically when they are released they are usually supply constrained, so it might be a while.
@@blackbirdpctech I’ve got a 4060 right now, I’m looking to the 5090, I would go AMD but.. their GPUs are coming out later, but if I fail to get an Nvidia card by the time AMD releases 8000 gpus I’m gonna get the RX 8900 XT/RX 8900 XTX
Hopefully we will get all of the details at CES in January
I have the all AMD pc. It’s not particularly better but it is cheaper.
That's a fair point ... I do however think their 7000 series cpu's are simply better than the competition from Intel.
You should have gone with the 4080 super. There is no comparison.
I did compare those cards in my video: "Should You Buy an RTX 4080 Super or RX 7900 XTX?" The 4080 Super is a great card but if it's about $100 or more than a 7900 XTX then it becomes a tough sell. In addition, for this upgrade I was space constrained with the max length of the card ... the 7900 XTX reference model just fit ... I don't recall ever seeing a 4080 Super with those dimensions.
@blackbirdpctech you can buy one in Greece where I live for about 980 to 1000 euros.
The 7900xtx is at sitting at 950 euros so if I am buying a new card I am going for the 4080 super. I need to be able to play everything.
Including games with path tracing which in Wukong's case makes it a different game.
Don't forget ray reconstruction, better ray tracing performance and less issues.
And this comes from an Amd user since the 9800 up until the 5700 xt with a 6 month period where i had a grx 280 if I remember well.
The 4080 super is ideal for your resolution, I have a friend who paired it with a Dell 3421 dwf and he has zero issues, even with PT enabled
Dlss quality or even balanced help a lot when things get tough.
On the other hand with the Amd you got no choice but to pick raytracing or play without it.
I made the switch when the 3070 launched, moved to the 3070ti, 3080ti and since 2 years ago the 4090 and I could not be happier.
@blackbirdpctech as for the case just pick a Lancool 216. Great case, great airflow and everything just fits in.
@@DsLmaNiaC in the US the cheapest 7900 XTX is about $200 less than the cheapest 4080 Super, so it makes it a tougher choice. Not sure I understand why you said that the 4080 super is ideal for my resolution ... what resolution? As a content creator I own a lot of different GPU's ... this was for one of my personal systems that I wanted to upgrade. The case has ironman graphics on it so I'm not looking for another case ... the challenge was to upgrade within the existing case.
@blackbirdpctech are you willing to give up the best product with the ability to run wverything even for 200 dollars?
If your budget is not tight, you should go for the 4080 super.
For a content creator I think it is overall a better choice too because if the new shadowplay options.
The card is a beast in all aspects.
On the other hand if the case limits your options what can I say? You don't have many options. You either do that or wait for the next gen.
How did the 4080 super worked I before you sold it? On another system?
*Why I chose my RTX4070...*
DLSS... other stuff mattered, like power consumption but it really boiled down to DLSS. What's the point of having a better "value" AMD card if the visuals look worse for titles that support upscaling. The differences aren't always super obvious in TH-cam videos but in person the artifacts that FSR can cause is often very distracting. There's NOTHING AMD could do to bring me back in a few years unless they got a good AI upscaling solution AND the existing games I have got upgraded to it. Not just future games.
I recently did a comparison of FSR 3.1 vs DLSS 3.7 vs XeSS 1.3 in my "Should You Buy an RTX 4070 Super or RX 7900 GRE?" video. FSR has improved significantly and many of the older issues have been eliminated entirely but DLSS is still currently better.
Over an Intel 13th or 14th gen Intel…………absofrigginlutely!!!
The CPU is somewhat obvious at the moment ... it is shocking to me just how rapidly Intel damaged their brand with this debacle.
-Buy a computer and work- ? No! long and tedious adjusting timings, undervolting something here and there - this is the difficult path of a real samurai)))
The great thing about PC's is that you don't have to optimize it, you can simply use it out-of-the-box ... however, it does give you the option to extract more performance if you learn how. If that doesn't interest you then always get a console, which is basically just a fully locked down PC.
Now run it vs a 9700X and you will see similar performance with lower CPU temps on the 9700X, similar price, and lower power draw. This is why I am jumping from 5600X to 9600X the next time I see the 9600X drop to $200 again.
I’m working on a 9700X vs 7800X3D video but with a twist … something most reviewers completely ignored … should be interesting 😉
Or just upgrade the CPU, keep the rtx 3080
You could do that but then it wouldn’t be an all AMD pc … you can also still get good money for a 3080 Ti … that will likely change when the 5000 series is released.
@@blackbirdpctech why waste money
@@marcusbrown3880 it depends what your objective is ... if my objective is to publish content on the performance of an all AMD pc then it's not a waste of money
I have a Ryzen 7 5800X3d paired with an RX 7900 XTX and I can tell you true that my all-AMD rig is TOTALLY worth it! I believe that peak high-end gaming value comes from this combination so I would suggest that you test the R7-5800X3D with the XTX vs. the 7800X3D with the XTX. I think that you'll see that at the higher resolutions that someone with an XTX would be gaming at, the difference is negligible. You would've had the same gaming performance at 4K without having to buy a new motherboard, RAM and CPU. All you needed was to upgrade the 3080 Ti to the XTX. THAT is why so many reviewers have declared the 5800X3D to be the "GTX 1080 Ti of CPUs" (the G.O.A.T.). There's a reason why so many AM4 owners (like myself) haven't bothered moving on up to AM5. I have an X570 motherboard, 64GB of DDR4-3600, an R7-5800X3D and an RX 7900 XTX. I game at 4K and there's no setup that would give an appreciably better experience without paying through the nose for a 4K high-refresh display. I chose size over refresh rate and I game on my 55" 4K 60Hz TV. It is absolutely GLORIOUS!
I must point out however that having an AIO with ANY X3D CPU is just useless and dumb because X3D chips don't put out much heat and can't be overclocked. My 5800X3D, which puts out more heat than the 7800X3D, is cooled just fine with an AMD Wraith Prism air cooler that cost me (literally) nothing.
I appreciate your passion and comment. I tested the 5800X3D against the 7800X3d (with a 7900 XTX) extensively in my video "5800X3D or 7800X3D - Which One Is Right For You?" While I agree with you that the average FPS at 4K will not be impacted, the 1% lows definitely improved with the 7800X3D, even at 4K. Based on 15 games the 1% lows improved by around 8% at 4K, which is significant. I also disagree with your statement around using AIO's with X3D chips ... the entire thermal solution for this case was designed to use a 280mm AIO in the front. It's not just CPU temps that need to be considered when it comes to PC thermals, you really need to look at how all of your components interact.
Silverstone FDP02
Damn, that is a nice solution and it comes in black … will get one to test.
Pro tips: Never use AMD reference card. They are equal or worse (usually worse) than any other AMD card from a brand.
Not sure if that's a pro tip, it's more of a preference ... while I don't think they are a great value option today given that there are better options available at a lower price point, they were a reasonably good option at launch. I think the card design, while not as thermally efficient as some other designs, is one of the best looking cards on the market and it's compact. This was a big consideration for this build ... I had limited space, so I couldn't go with something like a Sapphire Nitro+ .
Nah
Why?
oh no.. no dont use ryzen master..
Don’t use ryzen master for what? It is a great tool for manually setting a curve offset … not so great for automatically finding an optimum curve offset.
Not anymore
What makes you say that?
@blackbirdpctech thr latest aaa titles all having issues with amd. All under performing then amd releases drivers that don't fix it. Seems like nvidia is the far better choice for the future of games that are being developed differently now. Taking much more advantage of nvidias technology then others based even on the integral workings of developers and how they are choosing how to design games. Even without ray tracing nvidia is still doing better. Every nee game is practically promoting nvidia hardware and nvidia is doing the same with the games. Wethere its wukong or the new star wars game or the next 4 aaa titles coming lol. So yeah amd doesn't look like the hottest option right now for compatibility and reliability on the actual playability. This coning from someone who makes sure and tests what the best of both have to offer.
Not a 4090 either. Meaning 4080 super and a 7900xt/xtx. So yeah from my view nvidia is the choice for this upcoming generation of games on the generation of hardware we have right now.
I have tested both extensively and while I agree with the fact that AMD takes longer to get their drivers right, I disagree on the fundamental technology. There is no question that Nvidia has an advantage with RT but AMD is rapidly catching up … there is only so much however they can do with software alone … they need their next gen hardware to help accelerate and fully catch up to Nvidia. That said, AMD is competing heavily on cost, so when you look at value that needs to be a large consideration. At equal price I would likely choose Nvidia but typically an equivalent AMD card is $100+ cheaper, so that makes it a much tougher decision. For this video I focused on the question of whether an all AMD gaming pc is worth it and based on the data the answer is yes.
Dude, no use in defending that awful case. No, 2 dinky little slits on the side will not provide enough airflow, as many, many (failed) designs have more than successfully demonstrated.
(Man i hope you don't build your rockets like your PC's...)
Hopefully you realize that data matters more than an opinion. I was skeptical at first but the fact is the thermals in this case are actually quite good. I also didn’t design the case … I did however design the world’s fastest helicopter, so what would I know about airflow 😉
My system is not as high end I only have an Ryzen 7 7700x with an RX 7900GRE it gets the job done 👍
Great system … I compared the 7700X with the 7800X3D and there is not much difference, especially at higher resolutions. I also recently compared the 7900 gre against the 4070 Super … the gre is a fantastic card.
@@blackbirdpctech I'm looking forward to the update to Windows to improve the Ryzen CPU'S
I’m planning on testing the higher end 9000 series chips against Intel with this new version … should be interesting
@@blackbirdpctech I look forward to seeing the results