Alex: In areas where my wifi strength wasn't great like you just know that spot in your house... Linus: I have no idea what you're talking about my wifi works 2 blocks away...
@@roxaskinghearts only the insider builds of window 10 on arm could do 64bit emulation, and those aren't available anymore. The public builds of windows 10 on arm can only do 32bit emulation.
Translation: "I'm unable to see past the fact that this isn't a mature product, so I'm going to critizise it as if it was, and not based on its potential, which I BTW cannot see".
Had the surface 7 since July and it’s already paid for itself and beyond. As a photographer I got this for editing and processing astrophotography, landscape photography, scanning and enhancing film photography. Never had a hiccup and it’s worked flawlessly from being mobile and at home connected to my large display screen. It’s been a great tool for me.
As a Systems Administrator the BIGGEST issue is Microsoft still hasn't added RSAT to the ARM version of Windows which means there's no way to use Active Directory. This is the only thing holding my whole department back from switching over. Please fix this Microsoft, we need good battery life!
That's because you should be using WAC now. Windows Admin Centre has plug ins for AD, DNS , DHCP etc installed for AD and you can do it all from WAC. You can even Install it on your own workstation.
its a better chromebook with some windows features, its great tho, but the main problem is most people in this channel are either gamers, people who rely on heavy software, or just edgelords. This would be great for people who just use average person computer features, want a great display and battery life, and want windows
@@Gambit166 yaaaa. Lol. This IS and arm chip lol. Well a super powered one. Windows needed to focus on app porting. But as always windows likes to be open market hands off.
There are things this can do that. A Chromebook cannot, for example, I don't think a Chromebook has anywhere near the battery life of this (I could be wrong though) but they're all four different use cases so comparing them is a little tricky
Except unlike MacOS, there's a big IF when it comes to getting wide support from developers for ARM. x86 is going to continue to exist forever with Windows, there's no push to get devs to port their apps properly. Unless Microsoft makes Prism ABSOLUTELY PERFECT in all emulation, ARM for Windows will always play second fiddle to x86, and many devs will never bother with it.
I'll be honest I don't use my right-hand right click button so it wouldn't hurt to have the copilot button tbh. I actually googled the shortcut for copilot yesterday haha but my point is I may be alone on this and just wanted to pose an opposing viewpoint of saying a copilot button would be more useful (despite both arguably being unnecessary)
@@MichaelLyte-Mason You’re showing an opposing viewpoint, and doing so without being rude and condescending. I can respect that. If you actually wanted a dedicated key, you could always use a macro. I also understand that some users aren’t going to bother with creating and setting one up.
Me recuerda al botón dedicado al asistente de Google que había en algunos teléfonos, nadie usaba eso, y en mi caso incluso llegue a usar una app que me permitía asignar ese botón a otra función, como la cámara.
@@huntermirror Muy cierto. En mi caso fue el botón de Bixby. El mismo tipo de historia. Tiendo a encontrar que Copilot es mucho más útil que Bixby/Siri/Google Assistant/Cortana. Espero que este comentario se traduzca muy bien, estoy usando Google translate jaja
They're rebranding the second Win button and giving it a new purpose. Most of us have hardly used some of the other second buttons anyway, like right Alt, Ctrl, Shift. Not forgetting to mention the other unused ones on a typical desktop keyboard.
If your chromebook can run Photoshop, Video Editor, Visual Studio, Office Suite, OBS, Filezilla, Camtasia, git, python, rust, sql server, sql server management studio, Fiddler, among dozens of other apps and games, but other than that, yea, exactly like a chromebook.
In a way these feel like a spiritual successor to netbooks. Light, efficient machines that cant really do everything a full fat system can, but are good for basic tasks and web browsing. It makes me realize that netbooks were kinda just ahead of their time. Now that web apps are so much more fleshed out, the concept seems much more appealing, and the drawbacks much less limiting.
I suspect at least for Linux if the promised support from Qualcom appears they will be much much more than just netbooks - the potential performance of that chip looks very very good. To me it seems like the biggest drag here is Windows on a non amd64 platform doesn't work great - but in the FOSS side of computing almost every program just works on Arm/Risk/amd64 and probably a heap other other architectures. But without hands on one or more complete testing its hard to say for sure - one thing is certain leaving the bloated nightmare that WIndoze is becoming will help any lower performance machine feel massively snappier...
Having used netbooks back in the day, I don't think this is the case at all. Netbooks actually had great software compatibility and could absolutely be used as a primary computer. Sure they were a bit slower and had slightly worse screens than premium contemporary offerings, but if you were willing to spend some extra time waiting on more intensive tasks, you were basically getting a fully-featured computer at maybe 1/4 the price. IMO netbooks were the jack of all trades master of none laptops of the day. On the other hand, these ARM laptops look to have terrible compatibility (tons of things straight up just "not working") and none of them are anywhere near what you would consider "cheap". Instead they supposedly offer excellent battery life, displays and webcam support. So, considerably more "specialized" than netbooks.
If you want something for browser work and nothing else just get a Chromebook, they're dramatically cheaper, much smaller and meaningly lighter. And if you are a large person, you might just about be able to fit it in cargo pants pockets
As the owner of a netbook back in the day and one of these qualcomm laptops now, I would say the main difference is performance. Netbooks were horribly slow, even compared to laptops of the time. The performance on these qualcomm laptops is very good, comparable to high-end x86 thin & lights as long as the apps you are using support arm. If you have to rely on emulation they're a bit worse, but as more and more apps start supporting arm, these laptops become more comparable to any normal x86 laptop.
@@datachu Lets hope so. As far as I can tell ARM windows hasn't come very far since the surface X days. Except where Apps are just web pages in a wrapper. In my opinion its more that apps have gotten simpler and less x86 emulation better. Tough both have happened of course.
Mac M1 had teething problems as well. We couldn't use it at my job for over a year. We needed some native apps to work before the switch. JDK, IntelliJ, Docker, Node, and at least 4 different SQL databases. Early on, native support was either non existent or emulation was so slow it wasn't usable. Emulation still isn't an option if a Java app that takes 10 seconds to start natively takes 50-60 seconds through emulation. But now that all of our tools have native builds it's really fantastic. Fast, quiet, and great battery.
I really like that you guys got 3 different people with different use cases in the company. It really hughlights who the laptops are for, and who they arent ready for
Damn, this laptops fits my needs for sure. My work only use meta ads, google ads, google suites (gmail, drive, sheets, slides, docs, keep) and maybe a few apps like notion, slack, and clickup. Good battery so no need worrying to carry a charger when having a meeting outside, nice panel, lightweight, good camera, low noise fan. Once the price go under 1000usd, then this is my next machine.
Then what advantage does this have over you getting a MacBook air? What advantage does this have over a last gen, mid range snapdragon chromebook? Heck, Samsung Dex connected to a monitor can probably do your job.
@@computerfan1079 the chromebook demand on my country is very low, so most brands never officially sell em here. This x elites however, the hype is pretty huge, so i assume they will have them here soon.
@@dustyt3339 never had any apple products before, and not planning on switching to apple ecosystem either. You're right about dex, and i do have s23 now. But when you just HAVE to go mobile, bringing a 24" monitor is ridiculous, no?
Basically how most people feel about Cortana. a stupid nuisance plaything that is at best useless, and at worst annoying AF when you accidentally activate it in a meeting.
When it comes to the price part I was thinking "in New Zealand these Snapdragon laptops cost 3 grand". Not sure what is going on here but they are anything but cheap.
Not as bad in Europe but still bad. Linked Samsung book is 1,2k in US and about 1,6K here. It should only be about the same with exchange rates & VAT added but no. We take the 30% 'because we hate you' markup.
@@annie420xx well two reasons, reason one is NZ is an island so pricing is often out of whack here. Secondly, I expect an ARM laptop to be cheaper somehow, but because they put an expensive OLED panel in and things like that it bumps the price up considerably. The cost seems jacked up though for what you get.
In canada, the price is about 1450 cad which is like 1075 in usd, which is not that much higher than the 1000 usd price tag in america. I'm really surprised because I'm used to getting gouged compared to our neighbors down south.
10:35 this entire segment. Why when tell everyone this regarding Using Linux as your only OS on your laptop, they say 'well i dont want to use the linux options i wanna play MY game'; yet everyone is OK when Linus says 'you know what guys, you will be happy playing cool games that actually work well and realize you don't really NEED to play everything on your laptop'...
@@kilovwdude6457 And yet it's the bag for the company he works for. It's not like Linus pulled out a thing that is irrelevant to the job they're all there doing in the moment, it's part of how they all maintain having a job, I'm sure he was fine with what was happening and didn't perceive it as Linus somehow selfishly becoming individually wealthier by interrupting him. It's to the benefit of them all that they sell merch.
Exactly my thought - everybody knew PremierePro wouldn't be supported natively at launch so I don't understand the rant. They should have gotten someone with Resolve to give us a meaningful review.
@@dominikvit2 the challenge was to use it to replace their existing laptop and see how well it fit into their current use case. LTT is a Premiere post house, Sammy does his normal editing on Premiere and so that's what they tested. In a company kind of environment, where you might have multiple editors working on the same project, it's not quite as easy as to just try swapping out softwares. Should they get one of their editors to try editing a video on it in Resolve? Absolutely! I'd love to see that, kind of like when they've done 'edit a video on an iPad' videos.
@@abba2566 I agree with this should have founds someone who uses Resolve also why do people still love supporting such a scummy company like adobe with their business
@@abba2566 That's like always problem with these challenges - "Let's try this non wintel computer, is it good wintel computer?". Adobe is like the worst company in supporting everythig except wintel.
I could see a Snapdragon as a sidekick to a gaming computer, especially if you leverage Thunderbolt to use it as a secondary display or a modem to connect to it on the go.
Except for 66% of the people, there said they had no issues whatsoever. Don't give it to your employees if they edit video. Give it to your employees if they are writers and researchers and accountants. Seemed pretty clear that it was use case dependent which would be the case for anything. Just like you wouldn't give an m4 Mac to somebody that needs a touch screen or gaming.
within months, not even years ARM will be the go to choice for all windows laptops. It only took apple about 6 months to sort all the compatibility issues from the M1's original launch.
@@RafaelDomenikos that’s damn near impossible for windows though because they have nowhere near the control that Apple does (making both the chips and the computers) and with how Apple can just tell you “nah F off this doesn’t work” windows, for all the shit Linux users give it does have amazing legacy and widespread software support that is expected and that’s just not something you can easily fix These are better than chromebooks as they have most of the flexibility a normal x86 computer on windows has, but they struggle a lot and right now aren’t much more than word processors
@@LordTrashcanRulez the same intel that has apparently made chips that burn up for the last year, and these newest ones are still nowhere near as efficient as ARM?
@chuuni6924 i can do that on a core 2 quad or core 2 duo.. its only a browser after all (core 2 duo is faster then a pentium and pentium is faster then a cellron processor... i could litteraly get away with web gameing on thoes things)
Tuxedo computers are planning to release a laptop running their Linux distro. If Linux on ARM can get decent compatibility (Which for a lot of Linux programs would basically just be changing the compilation settings) and get good battery optimization then that would be a huge step forward.
@@marschallblucher6197 Would all the open-source stuff be just a matter of recompiling on ARM? And of course make the compiler support ARM (if that's not the case yet)
@@Windeycastlegcc has supported arm for a very long time. some software will still need patching or refactoring to function on arm tho since some C libraries either dont work or work a little funky on other ISAs
@@Windeycastle potentially, although it could vary from package to package. I know GCC has a number of versions that run on ARM. Gentoo does support ARM but the documentation is a bit lacking. I suppose we just have to wait and see.
To be honest, most people are not running these kind of video editing workloads. TH-cam creators have a heavy bias towards these kind of use cases. Im a developer and everything works fine for me on Arm laptops.
@@PAcifisti The Chip makers have constantly signposted that these aren't gaming laptops and are for casual gamers and productivity. Its not good content to evaluate laptops on what they are designed to do!!
@@relicreturns And gaming is getting more and more common, with even casual games becoming more graphically intense. Not even having the option of adding a GPU limits the potentiality of the SoC severely, I agree that video / 3d editing is a rather niche heavy workload but gaming isn't. If I just wanted a laptop to write and browse on, why would I spend this much money on these instead of just going for a chromebook? If I needed a work laptop I would most likely use it as linus pointed out, for light tasks that even a chromebook could do. For "productivity" the battery life is a nice to have but honestly most people work on their desks with a plug right next to them anyways. I just cant help but to think that these are very niche laptops with very limited use cases.
Just hotspot your phone. Or tether it. Or use a tablet that already has those features. Or get a laptop that supports that or the expansion slot for a modem card.
Tbh if everything you do is in a browser, you're most of the way there to just being happy with a chromebook for, at most, half of the price a copilot laptop
I honestly, don't see the use case for snapdragon windows PCs yet with all of the bugs and incompatibilities.... Either go with AMD based PCs or get a MAC.
These things are pointless. They tried to tote the battery life. When are you ACTUALLY not near an outlet? Basically never. Theyre everywhere now. The battery life is moot. The incompatabilities, constant crashing, and performance issues makes it unusable and you could lose progress on work. The niche bit Alex said about tuning his car is just that, niche. And VERY niche at that. These things truly are garbage.
@@thewolfofgod3908 nothing I said was made up. It was all addressed in the video. Your experience is anecdotal, thus making it irrelevant in all realms.
All of linux's compatibility issues with all of windows' jankyness, windows on ARM still doesn't look great. The better battery life is a very strong upside. I wonder how will tuxedo's snapdragon laptops with linux turn out.
@@kajojo2399 Probably much better. Since most of the free software projects you would get on Linux, can be compiled to run natively on ARM. Also box86/box64 and FEX-Emu are pretty solid options for running x86 software on it. From looking at recent tests with SteamOS on the ROG Ally, I would even add battery life is generally better by a good margin with Linux compared to Windows 11. But maybe Windows ARM has some secret optimizations for that, usual Windows doesn't have. The only thing I would worry about is graphics drivers. Which is probably one of the strongest reasons to stick with AMD SoCs for the near future, even on Windows.
@@simpson6700 Kind of like what netbooks used to be. I've actually used mine much more than I do my intel laptop because of its long battery life, and 99% of what I do on a laptop is web based. email, writing in chrone docs, youtube, etc, and even with low end cpu its still pretty snappy.
He was reading off a script. I thought it felt quite fake. I wish I did like a loose outline instead of trying to nail down a script while also trying to make it sound like natural conversation..
I have an X Plus and even when running through emulation this thing decimates my old i7 7700. I just hope AMD and NVIDIA port their drivers to ARM on Windows so I can finally retire that thing...
@@josheen first I got a heart attack, then I checked my notifications, then I had to replay that section once more just to make sure the sound 100% came from the video 😂
I get the feeling it's one of those products that HAS to advertise excessively in order to survive. How often do people really think about replacing their wallet?
@@phoenux3986I don't think people actually think of that, whenever I got a new wallet it was a gift lol, and I'd actually say that it's a pretty common thing to gift and a rare one to buy for yourself
Yea no they both do, but I have a feeling it was because it was setting too narrow of a "narrative" like "oh no people are going to think we're only recommending it for students and we're not going to get our sponsor monies"
Honestly, whoever uses devices that contain an ARM and uses it for browsing, watching movies, and simple things like editing some photos or listening to music for long periods will be a treasure For me, the thing that matters most to me is cooling, battery, and screen quality
My biggest issue is Windows11 and the direction it's going. I had some of the same issues with using apple silicon when it came out. About year after M1 came out, most of the Adobe and Microsoft Office issues dissipated. A couple years later, some games started coming over. Saying that, I still have a dedicated gaming PC I play on or connect to with sunshine/moonlight. I also have to RDP into a Windows development machine for some work stuff, which is probably the bigger issue.
guess which of the 2 companies gave devs access to dev kits before the launch of their paradigm breaking new chips, and that's all you need to know about software support on windows for arm
@@LupusGr3y why is linux not a "viable" alternative? If you are a video editor or photographer and use the adobe suit then yeah but other than that what keeps you from linux?
@@sol_in.victus How buggy and unstable it is. How fragmented it is. How much still requires you to learn the terminal to make stuff work or fix it when it breaks.
@@LupusGr3y That is entirely untrue. Distros like Linux Mint, Fedora, etc. have made it extremely easy to use Linux without ever having to touch the terminal. Sure if you want to get fancy you may need to, but for most everyday tasks, the terminal can be straight up ignored. I run Fedora KDE as my daily use computer, and I can count on one hand the amount of times I've had to go into the terminal and do things (outside of using it to SSH into my Raspberry Pis). Linux now a days has no more of a learning curve then Windows or Mac does.
27 is the start of transitioning to your 30s (27-33 is the age) and being old to the younger crowd. You're old for the 18-24 year olds (You'll look like the store manager who's trying too hard), and you're still young to those in 30s+.
There are loads of people who only buy a computer for reading email, browsing the internet, paying bills, doing zoom calls, and watching online content. Typically, this is the person I would direct towards a ChromeBook or iPad. The single largest downside to either of those choices is that they don't run a real desktop operating system. Yes, windows for ARM is extremely limited compared to X86 windows but, as long as the computer is reasonably priced, it's a great choice for a ton of users and those users likely won't encounter the limitations. They get to have the efficiency benefits of Apple Silicon without paying Apple prices for a MacBook Air.
I followed the links to the three laptops featured in this video. They range from $900 to $1200. That's already in Macbook Air territory for pricing. Especially considering you can frequently find the M1 Macbook Air for around $700. I'd take the Macbook over any of these for the trackpad alone.
@@MortonSeinfeld and that is why I gave my mom an iPad. It cost about $600 and does everything she needs. It also has a nicer display than any laptop at that price point which makes it well suited for content consumption.
Jokes aside, taking the cash is the most financially smart option. Taking the car means you have to pay taxes on that and most people don't have thousands of dollars lying around. Taking the cash means you can pay the tax and still have money left over.
@@jamesmnguyen Exactly right. I've seen so many people say "well, my cousin took the cash, and then they taxed him ten times the cash value", and I'm like "THAT'S NOT HOW TAXES WORK!"
@@M3N04actually the notebooks featured on this video are way worse than any Apple Silicon MacBook. Almost everything they complained about runs natively on macOS and battery life just about the same. If you don’t like MacBooks, stick with x86, since ARM notebooks suck if they’re not made by Apple.
@@TheMr82kyou know that in Snapdragon notebooks everything also will be soldered and be not upgradable? Upgrades will be expensive for all manufacturers in the future.
@@tahaak these are still better than macs tbh, because despite some things not being native yet they can be run via emulation. Some people literally pay for parallels to use windows, truth of the matter is windows is the best all round OS
what you talking about? on a steam deck yes. it is a portable system after all. but on desktop... 95% of stuff just works nowdays. is mostly the stuff with crazy anti cheat that doesn't. but they are are all like live service games that consume your life... if you are a player of those you ain't going to Linux to start with
So if everything you do is in a browser... google had that product and released it years ago called chromebooks. Or you can just get a tablet. Gen1 of this product isn't ready and we need to see if it survives and gets support from devs. Sammy was the only realist on the panel.
A processor like this in a ChromeBook would be awesome. Combining the efficiency of these ARM chips with the lightweight operation of ChromeOS would be pretty awesome.
@@OraKoploOraGawe I doubt it very much, Chromebooks are x86 aren't they? I never heard of a ChromeBook with ARM support anyway. It likely would need emulation. Or ChomeOS could be ported to ARM64 I suppose.
@@rmjohnson144 What? Chromebooks have been using snapdragon chips for years. Even last gen, from $300 Lenovo and Acer Chromebooks to the $500 non-chromebook Galaxy Book 3 go, they all use snapdragon 7c. I do not understand why people are still hyped about X elite laptops, while suddenly saying they don't need to be able to run demanding x86 programs. If they don't care about x86 programs, last gen's snapdragon chromebooks and laptops can do what they need just fine, they've had amazing battery life for years, and are way cheaper.
ive actually been maining one of these for about 3 ish months, heres my thouoghts. As a productivity machine, they are absolutely amazing. The battery life is unmatched (in terms of windows machines) and CPU performance is amazing for arm apps (and even some x86-64 apps too.) The only downside ive noticed is that for gaming, basically no games support these things, and if they do the performance is *le shit*
It's been 2 months with Surface 15. As an UI UX Designer, I am super happy with this device. Battery lasts around 10h for Figma, Ps, VIdeo calls, and browsing.
Samsung galaxy book 4 user here: I absolutely LOVE this laptop. Its amazing, and does everything I expect a laptop to do. If you want gaming, 3d design, video editing, etc, use a desktop. Those are not things a reasonable person would expect of a laptop whose biggest claims to fame are lightweight and long battery life.
@@daboss8590 I am thinking about buying an I pad 10 generation+ Samsung galaxy book 4 instead of MacBook air m2 . What is the battery life of your laptop ?
@18:07, I'm with Alex, I don't give a F***, lol. Its marketing's new buzzword for machine learning, and it's getting regulated into the dirt, so what's the point really?
I've been using MX Linux. Never had an audio issue with two different laptops. Maybe I got lucky though... ? But everyone keeps using and recommending unstable distros though, so who knows.
@@DaveMenkehorst I used an M1 MacBook in highschool and would have that thing open in a webrowser doing homework and stuff for 8 hours a day and it would easily go for a week or more. Now I have a Dell Inspiron that lasts 2-3 hours.
Right? I was gonna say the same thing. I have a 16” m3 pro and that shit just keeps going. I charge maybe once a week with lighter use, could easily last like 8+ hours on battery in ableton too
I hope you guys do a part 2 to this like a year from now so we can see how much better the compatability and experience has come since then. I feel like progression will go crazy fast at the start and you might even be able to use it as a "real computer" in only like 6 months.
My favorite thing about this video is the AI part. Linus and Alex only used it when they accidentally pushed the button and the zoomer only used it to replace a bookmark basically :D
If you don't know how to bind a global shortcut via settings for a ChatGPT prompt, this button might have value for you. Otherwise it's a waste of keyboard space.
@@TheJackiMonster Yeah... I hate dedicated buttons. Programmable buttons are okay, but on my TV remote the netflix and roku buttons drive me insane. Anyway my point is the AI was supposed to be a key selling feature and even tech savy users are really not interested in it.
@@stephen01king indeed they do, as do chromebooks. I'm hoping they will develop - or encourage developers to make programs specifically for them - so we can all benefit.
The Linux one was legendary for that. I was fine with this one being shallow - there's not nearly as much to explore. It's not like copying a file or adding a printer would be different than any other machine they use
If I want a device just for portability or media consumption, I would prefer an iPad to “not a real computer”. As long as you cannot make this your only computer this will always just be a secondary device. That’s what tablets have been for for years. I’m sure software and compatibility will improve over time but I don’t think they are there yet. And before you hate on me for this comment, ask yourself if you would give up all your PC’s and just use an ARM based laptop. If their target is to just replace work laptops this could work though, depending obviously on your job and requirements.
This Ridge givaway is ONLY FOR THE US! Would be nice if you just honestly said this in the video instead of us having to find out when we click the link.
Doing research using ChatGPT on its own is indeed bad, but coupled it with Google and it works wonder. Better than using the now terrible Google search engine on its own.
I feel like the autopilot button super gimmicky, like rabbit r1 level of gimmicky. I'm not saying autopilot or AI assistance is useless, just the idea of having a physical button for it is silly. I feel like it could have been a keyboard shortcut or something. I'm a windows user but for work I need to use a macbook. And on MacOS right now, there's a ChatGPT app and I freaking love it. Whenever during work, I can just hit option+space to bring up ChatGPT and ask it anything (it's kinda like command+space). I notice that I've been relying on it so much that I rarely use google any more. And if not for gaming, I prefer to use my macbook just because of it. It makes research on any topics so much easier and more smooth. So, basically, just release a ChatGPT app for Windows. Problem solved. No need to buy a shiny new laptop just for their ‘AI button’ gimmick they’ve been hyping up
1:40 I s**t my pants and started looking for a charger. Then I remembered I am sitting at a desk computer with four displays and one of them had this video on background.
I’m sorry, better than a Mac?! For once I believe I can say that M series can finally play supported AAA titles unlike the snapdragon PCs. Now I’m interested in seeing gaming performance on both platforms and how both fare on gaming compatibility.
I think LTT's infomercial still resonates with the clients they are targeting. ie: people who rarely use a computer but occasionally perform medium-intensity tasks and use web services. ie: Individuals that are willing to spend more but not Apple-level prices, as buying Apple would require them to acknowledge and understand the value Apple provides to its clients and for an orange/yellowish hair client, admitting it would help them/others over what they do for money(ie: creating & supporting corporate market saturation & product proliferation incentives) would be too much for that type individual's pride.
My takeaway is, better than a Chromebook, worse than a normal everyday laptop, for students it's totally fine, for work, depending on what you are doing could be great, or could be a disaster. IMO it's great to have another competitor inovating on battery and everyday use
As sad as it is, they're probably right. When the average user sees the terminal their eyes glaze over and they think you want to hack their laptop. Most users don't want that, they want error messages they can just blindly click away with the OK button and something that at least appears like it's working. They maybe have never seen a good computer in their life so they also think Windows quirks are normal. I once literally had to tell a student that their brand new $1000 laptop taking 5 minutes to boot or open a window is not okay and that they should get it replaced.
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Alex: In areas where my wifi strength wasn't great like you just know that spot in your house...
Linus: I have no idea what you're talking about my wifi works 2 blocks away...
I read that first line in your comment exactly at the time Alex said it in the video
@@Kaenguruu same lol
emulation works fine if hes using windows 10
@@roxaskinghearts only the insider builds of window 10 on arm could do 64bit emulation, and those aren't available anymore. The public builds of windows 10 on arm can only do 32bit emulation.
I can maintain a wifi to around 1km if I really wanted to. The speed is abysmal, but the connection holds.
There's no ARM in trying
Perfect
i see what u did there
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🙏🙏🙏🙏bring this man in the writing room Linus🙏🙏🙏🙏
god damn it
"I ended up switching to a real computer" better words weren't said
Very true, it's the reason they don't run Linux on their desktop, needs a real OS to do actual work.
@@TalynOne nice bait, let's see what you catch
Translation: "I'm unable to see past the fact that this isn't a mature product, so I'm going to critizise it as if it was, and not based on its potential, which I BTW cannot see".
me when the maturing technology is still immature
@@TalynOne bro is fishing with this one
Had the surface 7 since July and it’s already paid for itself and beyond. As a photographer I got this for editing and processing astrophotography, landscape photography, scanning and enhancing film photography. Never had a hiccup and it’s worked flawlessly from being mobile and at home connected to my large display screen. It’s been a great tool for me.
As a Systems Administrator the BIGGEST issue is Microsoft still hasn't added RSAT to the ARM version of Windows which means there's no way to use Active Directory. This is the only thing holding my whole department back from switching over. Please fix this Microsoft, we need good battery life!
really? wtf :)
WTF? Never heard of tiering concept? No admin credentials on the client endpoint? 😲
Get a jump server or a proper PAM solution 😎
That's because you should be using WAC now. Windows Admin Centre has plug ins for AD, DNS , DHCP etc installed for AD and you can do it all from WAC. You can even Install it on your own workstation.
yeaaaaa... don't do this lol
host jump boxes on your VDI for administrative tasks, never log in with DA on your endpoints regardless
@@andrewportzer wtf you cant use active directory? That's actually really bad
"Excellent if everything you do is on a browser..." sounds like a fancy, very expensive Chromebook.
That was exactly what I thought too.
its a better chromebook with some windows features, its great tho, but the main problem is most people in this channel are either gamers, people who rely on heavy software, or just edgelords. This would be great for people who just use average person computer features, want a great display and battery life, and want windows
@@Gambit166 yaaaa. Lol. This IS and arm chip lol. Well a super powered one. Windows needed to focus on app porting. But as always windows likes to be open market hands off.
There are things this can do that. A Chromebook cannot, for example, I don't think a Chromebook has anywhere near the battery life of this (I could be wrong though) but they're all four different use cases so comparing them is a little tricky
A useful Chromebook if you want to call it that. Even here, M$ is winning.
So, just like ARC, this is in its infancy and we need to wait several years before more important/irreplaceable software runs on it natively.
Still need some time in the oven, but the potential is there
And software native support too, or else it'll end up like windows phone
Except unlike MacOS, there's a big IF when it comes to getting wide support from developers for ARM. x86 is going to continue to exist forever with Windows, there's no push to get devs to port their apps properly. Unless Microsoft makes Prism ABSOLUTELY PERFECT in all emulation, ARM for Windows will always play second fiddle to x86, and many devs will never bother with it.
It's just a large mobile phone with a keyboard, it won't become good any time soon. Decades of PC dominance won't be overturned in a year.
@@Rudy97 What a dumb take. The same "mobile phone with a keyboard" can also be applied to the M3 Max, one of, if not the most, powerfull consumer CPU.
Regarding the “Copilot” button … Win+C is the keyboard shortcut. No need for a dedicated button.
I'll be honest I don't use my right-hand right click button so it wouldn't hurt to have the copilot button tbh. I actually googled the shortcut for copilot yesterday haha but my point is I may be alone on this and just wanted to pose an opposing viewpoint of saying a copilot button would be more useful (despite both arguably being unnecessary)
@@MichaelLyte-Mason You’re showing an opposing viewpoint, and doing so without being rude and condescending. I can respect that.
If you actually wanted a dedicated key, you could always use a macro. I also understand that some users aren’t going to bother with creating and setting one up.
Me recuerda al botón dedicado al asistente de Google que había en algunos teléfonos, nadie usaba eso, y en mi caso incluso llegue a usar una app que me permitía asignar ese botón a otra función, como la cámara.
@@huntermirror Muy cierto. En mi caso fue el botón de Bixby. El mismo tipo de historia. Tiendo a encontrar que Copilot es mucho más útil que Bixby/Siri/Google Assistant/Cortana.
Espero que este comentario se traduzca muy bien, estoy usando Google translate jaja
They're rebranding the second Win button and giving it a new purpose. Most of us have hardly used some of the other second buttons anyway, like right Alt, Ctrl, Shift.
Not forgetting to mention the other unused ones on a typical desktop keyboard.
"If you do all your work in a browser". Sounds like a chrome book to me.
If your chromebook can run Photoshop, Video Editor, Visual Studio, Office Suite, OBS, Filezilla, Camtasia, git, python, rust, sql server, sql server management studio, Fiddler, among dozens of other apps and games, but other than that, yea, exactly like a chromebook.
@@TalynOneYou described a bunch of things that don't need a browser?
@@emenesu yeah I think he did 🙄😂
@@VGTIMEDBS Maybe but give it a year or two and those limitations will be greatly reduced
@@emenesu yeah that was the point lol
In a way these feel like a spiritual successor to netbooks. Light, efficient machines that cant really do everything a full fat system can, but are good for basic tasks and web browsing.
It makes me realize that netbooks were kinda just ahead of their time. Now that web apps are so much more fleshed out, the concept seems much more appealing, and the drawbacks much less limiting.
I suspect at least for Linux if the promised support from Qualcom appears they will be much much more than just netbooks - the potential performance of that chip looks very very good. To me it seems like the biggest drag here is Windows on a non amd64 platform doesn't work great - but in the FOSS side of computing almost every program just works on Arm/Risk/amd64 and probably a heap other other architectures. But without hands on one or more complete testing its hard to say for sure - one thing is certain leaving the bloated nightmare that WIndoze is becoming will help any lower performance machine feel massively snappier...
If only these didn't cost 1500$ they might be a viable option as a lightweight machine.
Having used netbooks back in the day, I don't think this is the case at all. Netbooks actually had great software compatibility and could absolutely be used as a primary computer. Sure they were a bit slower and had slightly worse screens than premium contemporary offerings, but if you were willing to spend some extra time waiting on more intensive tasks, you were basically getting a fully-featured computer at maybe 1/4 the price. IMO netbooks were the jack of all trades master of none laptops of the day.
On the other hand, these ARM laptops look to have terrible compatibility (tons of things straight up just "not working") and none of them are anywhere near what you would consider "cheap". Instead they supposedly offer excellent battery life, displays and webcam support. So, considerably more "specialized" than netbooks.
If you want something for browser work and nothing else just get a Chromebook, they're dramatically cheaper, much smaller and meaningly lighter. And if you are a large person, you might just about be able to fit it in cargo pants pockets
As the owner of a netbook back in the day and one of these qualcomm laptops now, I would say the main difference is performance. Netbooks were horribly slow, even compared to laptops of the time. The performance on these qualcomm laptops is very good, comparable to high-end x86 thin & lights as long as the apps you are using support arm. If you have to rely on emulation they're a bit worse, but as more and more apps start supporting arm, these laptops become more comparable to any normal x86 laptop.
That Arc Scream at the start... golden!
Best part!
🤣🤣🤣
The fact that it was Mark was not lost on me, too. Great callback to his habits, lol
Missed another opportunity to have Gary from Labs be Gollum wanting its precious.
And just like ARC has gotten, it will get better with time.
@@datachu Lets hope so. As far as I can tell ARM windows hasn't come very far since the surface X days. Except where Apps are just web pages in a wrapper.
In my opinion its more that apps have gotten simpler and less x86 emulation better. Tough both have happened of course.
Mac M1 had teething problems as well. We couldn't use it at my job for over a year.
We needed some native apps to work before the switch. JDK, IntelliJ, Docker, Node, and at least 4 different SQL databases.
Early on, native support was either non existent or emulation was so slow it wasn't usable. Emulation still isn't an option if a Java app that takes 10 seconds to start natively takes 50-60 seconds through emulation.
But now that all of our tools have native builds it's really fantastic. Fast, quiet, and great battery.
yep seems like windows is 3-4 years behind, macs seem both powerful, efficient and have lots arm support now
I’m plus Apple has actually done successful CPU architecture changes in the past. Microsoft on the other hand? Not so much. They’ve always failed
The editor really killed it with the live reaction
The editor who put Teams sounds in this video is a meanie 😡 some of us are watching this while working
Legit got jumpscared. This feels like those videos where someone puts really realistic binaural door knocking in it.
Ayo, that also got me lol
As an unemployed person totally relatable
As a broke person with no job, no girlfriend, no relatives this is relatable
Terrified me. :(
I really like that you guys got 3 different people with different use cases in the company. It really hughlights who the laptops are for, and who they arent ready for
Damn, this laptops fits my needs for sure.
My work only use meta ads, google ads, google suites (gmail, drive, sheets, slides, docs, keep) and maybe a few apps like notion, slack, and clickup.
Good battery so no need worrying to carry a charger when having a meeting outside, nice panel, lightweight, good camera, low noise fan. Once the price go under 1000usd, then this is my next machine.
I only need browsers, powershell and SSH, I can live without other things but VPN clients need to work OK tough.
Couldn't you then just get a Chromebook?
Then what advantage does this have over you getting a MacBook air? What advantage does this have over a last gen, mid range snapdragon chromebook? Heck, Samsung Dex connected to a monitor can probably do your job.
@@computerfan1079 the chromebook demand on my country is very low, so most brands never officially sell em here. This x elites however, the hype is pretty huge, so i assume they will have them here soon.
@@dustyt3339 never had any apple products before, and not planning on switching to apple ecosystem either. You're right about dex, and i do have s23 now. But when you just HAVE to go mobile, bringing a 24" monitor is ridiculous, no?
I've never felt more seen than when Alex said "I used Co-Pilot a couple of times when I accidentally....". ❤
Basically how most people feel about Cortana. a stupid nuisance plaything that is at best useless, and at worst annoying AF when you accidentally activate it in a meeting.
The AI is revolutionary for someone like me
When it comes to the price part I was thinking "in New Zealand these Snapdragon laptops cost 3 grand". Not sure what is going on here but they are anything but cheap.
relativity exists
Not as bad in Europe but still bad. Linked Samsung book is 1,2k in US and about 1,6K here. It should only be about the same with exchange rates & VAT added but no. We take the 30% 'because we hate you' markup.
@@annie420xx well two reasons, reason one is NZ is an island so pricing is often out of whack here. Secondly, I expect an ARM laptop to be cheaper somehow, but because they put an expensive OLED panel in and things like that it bumps the price up considerably. The cost seems jacked up though for what you get.
@@robvdl Also consider the fact that it's a 1st gen product, which in itself is begging for a price premium.
In canada, the price is about 1450 cad which is like 1075 in usd, which is not that much higher than the 1000 usd price tag in america. I'm really surprised because I'm used to getting gouged compared to our neighbors down south.
teams notification jumpscare is crazy
They did that on purpose :(
10:35 this entire segment. Why when tell everyone this regarding Using Linux as your only OS on your laptop, they say 'well i dont want to use the linux options i wanna play MY game'; yet everyone is OK when Linus says 'you know what guys, you will be happy playing cool games that actually work well and realize you don't really NEED to play everything on your laptop'...
*Guy starts talking about the issues with the laptop*
Linus: "I need to sell my laptop bag"
I dunno if you know this - it's his laptop bag too, they all work for the same company.
@@Szanth linus is that guys boss lol he works for Linus not really Co workers
@@kilovwdude6457 And yet it's the bag for the company he works for. It's not like Linus pulled out a thing that is irrelevant to the job they're all there doing in the moment, it's part of how they all maintain having a job, I'm sure he was fine with what was happening and didn't perceive it as Linus somehow selfishly becoming individually wealthier by interrupting him. It's to the benefit of them all that they sell merch.
Gotta find some way to shoehorn their overpriced products into the video.
DaVinci Resolve is ARM native now with release 19.
nobody making a single video about it unfortunately
Exactly my thought - everybody knew PremierePro wouldn't be supported natively at launch so I don't understand the rant. They should have gotten someone with Resolve to give us a meaningful review.
@@dominikvit2 the challenge was to use it to replace their existing laptop and see how well it fit into their current use case. LTT is a Premiere post house, Sammy does his normal editing on Premiere and so that's what they tested. In a company kind of environment, where you might have multiple editors working on the same project, it's not quite as easy as to just try swapping out softwares.
Should they get one of their editors to try editing a video on it in Resolve? Absolutely! I'd love to see that, kind of like when they've done 'edit a video on an iPad' videos.
@@abba2566 I agree with this should have founds someone who uses Resolve also why do people still love supporting such a scummy company like adobe with their business
@@abba2566 That's like always problem with these challenges - "Let's try this non wintel computer, is it good wintel computer?". Adobe is like the worst company in supporting everythig except wintel.
So basically get this as a second computer, but if you're planning to deploy this for employees, don't
I could see a Snapdragon as a sidekick to a gaming computer, especially if you leverage Thunderbolt to use it as a secondary display or a modem to connect to it on the go.
Except for 66% of the people, there said they had no issues whatsoever. Don't give it to your employees if they edit video. Give it to your employees if they are writers and researchers and accountants. Seemed pretty clear that it was use case dependent which would be the case for anything. Just like you wouldn't give an m4 Mac to somebody that needs a touch screen or gaming.
So our 2500 employees who only ever use browsers for everything won't want this.... OK.
If said employees only work on web based stuff then by all means. Otherwise don't
@@davidmalkowski7850 none of the SD laptops have Thunderbolt right now
Basically the Snapdragon is Chromebook 2.0. Very similar problems, not a "daily driver" in its current iteration.
I use both a chromebook and a snapdragon laptop and my snapdragon machine is my primary computer. it can do a lot more than the chromebook.
within months, not even years ARM will be the go to choice for all windows laptops. It only took apple about 6 months to sort all the compatibility issues from the M1's original launch.
@@RafaelDomenikos that’s damn near impossible for windows though because they have nowhere near the control that Apple does (making both the chips and the computers) and with how Apple can just tell you “nah F off this doesn’t work” windows, for all the shit Linux users give it does have amazing legacy and widespread software support that is expected and that’s just not something you can easily fix
These are better than chromebooks as they have most of the flexibility a normal x86 computer on windows has, but they struggle a lot and right now aren’t much more than word processors
@@RafaelDomenikosIntel's new chips say otjerwise
@@LordTrashcanRulez the same intel that has apparently made chips that burn up for the last year, and these newest ones are still nowhere near as efficient as ARM?
I am not sure the argument "you can get more ram" really stands when the programs that need lots of ram are the ones not running on arm...
They did say one of the main usecases was using a browser.
browsers are typically the biggest ram hogs for the mainstream market
@chuuni6924 i can do that on a core 2 quad or core 2 duo.. its only a browser after all (core 2 duo is faster then a pentium and pentium is faster then a cellron processor... i could litteraly get away with web gameing on thoes things)
@@BooleanDevbrowsers don’t use much ram at all. People just need to learn to close tabs. Ive seen friend’s laptops with 300 tabs open from months ago…
@@SteveDonev tell me why one chrome tab on canvas uses 400mb of ram then
I hope that Linux on ARM gets the love it deserves and we can start running x86 apps on laptops with insane battery life
Tuxedo computers are planning to release a laptop running their Linux distro.
If Linux on ARM can get decent compatibility (Which for a lot of Linux programs would basically just be changing the compilation settings) and get good battery optimization then that would be a huge step forward.
I want Linux on RISC V to get popular rather than Linux on arm
@@marschallblucher6197 Would all the open-source stuff be just a matter of recompiling on ARM?
And of course make the compiler support ARM (if that's not the case yet)
@@Windeycastlegcc has supported arm for a very long time. some software will still need patching or refactoring to function on arm tho since some C libraries either dont work or work a little funky on other ISAs
@@Windeycastle potentially, although it could vary from package to package. I know GCC has a number of versions that run on ARM.
Gentoo does support ARM but the documentation is a bit lacking. I suppose we just have to wait and see.
"I ended up switching to a real computer..." lol
Yep, same reason Linus gave Linux a failure rating, people need a real operating system to get actual work done.
@@TalynOne yes I use BeOS
@@TalynOne These are not OS problems here. Here it is the platform. The systems are running Windows, just not on the normalized x86 architecture.
@@TalynOne definitely a TempleOS user
@@TalynOne weird that developers that make the things you work on do their work on Linux ????
To be honest, most people are not running these kind of video editing workloads. TH-cam creators have a heavy bias towards these kind of use cases. Im a developer and everything works fine for me on Arm laptops.
yeah, that's spot on, I'm the company owner and sysadmin when I have free time, this laptops doesn't sound like a deception to me.
I love in the comments how everyone presents the most high intensity graphical use cases forward. 80% of people aren't video editing hours of footage
@@relicreturns people might do gaming though which is a rather intense graphical use. These are barely enough at this point, struggling to run BG3.
@@PAcifisti The Chip makers have constantly signposted that these aren't gaming laptops and are for casual gamers and productivity. Its not good content to evaluate laptops on what they are designed to do!!
@@relicreturns And gaming is getting more and more common, with even casual games becoming more graphically intense. Not even having the option of adding a GPU limits the potentiality of the SoC severely, I agree that video / 3d editing is a rather niche heavy workload but gaming isn't.
If I just wanted a laptop to write and browse on, why would I spend this much money on these instead of just going for a chromebook? If I needed a work laptop I would most likely use it as linus pointed out, for light tasks that even a chromebook could do.
For "productivity" the battery life is a nice to have but honestly most people work on their desks with a plug right next to them anyways. I just cant help but to think that these are very niche laptops with very limited use cases.
Options are good. Personaly I value compatibility more than battery life.
What have you found that is incompatible? Working in finance all my niche programs work seamlessly?
1:06 Mark's scream earned this video a like.
Hahah yeah
Someone give Mark an Oscar! 😂
The one thing I wish Qualcomm added was a cellular modem. Laptops are made to be portable so make me independent from WiFi as well.
Just hotspot your phone. Or tether it. Or use a tablet that already has those features. Or get a laptop that supports that or the expansion slot for a modem card.
the surface tablet will have it later this year.
This
Tbf, you could just use a mobile hotspot on your phone
yes, they need 4G
bro makes me watch his sponsor segment because he puts that sick intro straight after
Please never use a Teams notification sound in a video ever again, it gives me PTSD...
I haven't been in an environment with Teams for quite a few years now... it still triggers me every time 😅
Teams is such an utter pile of rubbish
i was watching this at work and looked to my other monitors when it played lol
Who cares
@@deadzio We Teams users cares
Tbh if everything you do is in a browser, you're most of the way there to just being happy with a chromebook for, at most, half of the price a copilot laptop
@@ash36230 or even a cheap tablet with a little keyboard attachment, even cheaper and has somwhat long battery life too
What about the specs and battery life? Windows is also more useful than a Chromebook as of now.
And you get no Copilot, what a deal!
YHou can even buy a keyboard for your existing tablet and spare a lot of money, lol
@@bandito241why do the specs matter if you’re using a browser?
Perfectly unusable, unlike this useful segue to our sponsor!!!
That would have been a perfect intro.
If only
Good one
cringe
I like the mention of how great the battery life is on these devices! I am looking to pick one up soon.
I honestly, don't see the use case for snapdragon windows PCs yet with all of the bugs and incompatibilities.... Either go with AMD based PCs or get a MAC.
These things are pointless. They tried to tote the battery life. When are you ACTUALLY not near an outlet? Basically never. Theyre everywhere now. The battery life is moot. The incompatabilities, constant crashing, and performance issues makes it unusable and you could lose progress on work. The niche bit Alex said about tuning his car is just that, niche. And VERY niche at that. These things truly are garbage.
@@jaybird0312 yall are making up problems, i have had a single crash or incompatibility issue.
@@thewolfofgod3908 nothing I said was made up. It was all addressed in the video. Your experience is anecdotal, thus making it irrelevant in all realms.
@@jaybird0312 Said your anecdotal evidence.......
@@441meatloaf nope. It was all addressed in the video. None of what I’ve said here was anecdotal.
16:35 So basically its a Chromebook on windows
on Windows arm
@@calebmenker988 lol
no
All of linux's compatibility issues with all of windows' jankyness, windows on ARM still doesn't look great. The better battery life is a very strong upside. I wonder how will tuxedo's snapdragon laptops with linux turn out.
@@kajojo2399 Probably much better. Since most of the free software projects you would get on Linux, can be compiled to run natively on ARM. Also box86/box64 and FEX-Emu are pretty solid options for running x86 software on it.
From looking at recent tests with SteamOS on the ROG Ally, I would even add battery life is generally better by a good margin with Linux compared to Windows 11. But maybe Windows ARM has some secret optimizations for that, usual Windows doesn't have.
The only thing I would worry about is graphics drivers. Which is probably one of the strongest reasons to stick with AMD SoCs for the near future, even on Windows.
So basically its a chromebook with good battery life.
Put chromeos flex on it and it would be better seeing as most chromebooks including the one I own has a celeron cpu.
@@whitepawrolls good luck installing anything on that fucking thing
@@dj-no that's unironically kinda the point of chrome books, being so bad that kids can't do anything but their schoolwork on their laptops.
Chromebook with good battery life = mid range Chromebook
@@simpson6700 Kind of like what netbooks used to be. I've actually used mine much more than I do my intel laptop because of its long battery life, and 99% of what I do on a laptop is web based. email, writing in chrone docs, youtube, etc, and even with low end cpu its still pretty snappy.
This definitely needs to be revisited in a year or two.
The new guy was refreshing and genuine love his delivery, it didn't feel fake.
He was reading off a script. I thought it felt quite fake. I wish I did like a loose outline instead of trying to nail down a script while also trying to make it sound like natural conversation..
You just said its basically a more expensive chromebook
Chromebook+, because it can run a lot of native windows programs. Just not well.
With better battery life.
It's much more powerful, it's just the software that's not ARM compatible that runs bad but that will change
I have an X Plus and even when running through emulation this thing decimates my old i7 7700. I just hope AMD and NVIDIA port their drivers to ARM on Windows so I can finally retire that thing...
@@itIsI988 probably feels like the first time you use a M apple chip. or hdd to ssd
I missed the days where the comment section talked about the actual device being reviewed instead of reusing the same tired jokes 24/7...
Same. It's probably the zoomers infecting the internet.
The video just got released
wait for a few more hours
We got tired of "x before GTA6" "jokes" before GTA6
Have you considered crying about it?
How many comments do you want that are the same tired old Jokes?
Me: Yes
The teams notification at 01:53 was cruel
@@josheen first I got a heart attack, then I checked my notifications, then I had to replay that section once more just to make sure the sound 100% came from the video 😂
@@TheJaniable same. ffs.
@@TheJaniable😂
id be able to afford ridge products if they didnt sponsor literally all of the youtube channels, their advertising budget must be collossal
I get the feeling it's one of those products that HAS to advertise excessively in order to survive. How often do people really think about replacing their wallet?
they paid trevor jacobs to crash a plane lol
@@phoenux3986I don't think people actually think of that, whenever I got a new wallet it was a gift lol, and I'd actually say that it's a pretty common thing to gift and a rare one to buy for yourself
Comes with a screwdriver to unscrew your wallet you know
@@Brett_is_Veng Their margins on their products is insane, that's why they can afford to advertise the way they do.
5:01 linus looking at the camera with literal horror right after listening the word "University"
Yea no they both do, but I have a feeling it was because it was setting too narrow of a "narrative" like "oh no people are going to think we're only recommending it for students and we're not going to get our sponsor monies"
It was kind of stupid tbf
Honestly, whoever uses devices that contain an ARM and uses it for browsing, watching movies, and simple things like editing some photos or listening to music for long periods will be a treasure
For me, the thing that matters most to me is cooling, battery, and screen quality
14:02 Sammy!
That battery running low notification actually got me goin' 😂
My biggest issue is Windows11 and the direction it's going.
I had some of the same issues with using apple silicon when it came out. About year after M1 came out, most of the Adobe and Microsoft Office issues dissipated.
A couple years later, some games started coming over.
Saying that, I still have a dedicated gaming PC I play on or connect to with sunshine/moonlight.
I also have to RDP into a Windows development machine for some work stuff, which is probably the bigger issue.
guess which of the 2 companies gave devs access to dev kits before the launch of their paradigm breaking new chips, and that's all you need to know about software support on windows for arm
Weird that Windows 11 is an issue, but MacOS is somehow fine. I wish Linux was a viable alternative, I can't run Windows 10 forever.
@@LupusGr3y why is linux not a "viable" alternative? If you are a video editor or photographer and use the adobe suit then yeah but other than that what keeps you from linux?
@@sol_in.victus How buggy and unstable it is. How fragmented it is. How much still requires you to learn the terminal to make stuff work or fix it when it breaks.
@@LupusGr3y That is entirely untrue. Distros like Linux Mint, Fedora, etc. have made it extremely easy to use Linux without ever having to touch the terminal. Sure if you want to get fancy you may need to, but for most everyday tasks, the terminal can be straight up ignored. I run Fedora KDE as my daily use computer, and I can count on one hand the amount of times I've had to go into the terminal and do things (outside of using it to SSH into my Raspberry Pis). Linux now a days has no more of a learning curve then Windows or Mac does.
10:59 Sammy - refers to 27 as "the youth"
Me - refers to myself as an "old man" at the current age of 27 💀
I'm 26 and have referred to myself as an old man for a years now. I feel like it anyways.
@@SpunckyJew6969 most people haven't really mentally or physically matured until 25. There's virtually no difference between someone 17 and 24.
After reading these comments I feel ancient
I am 21 and I feel old lol
27 is the start of transitioning to your 30s (27-33 is the age) and being old to the younger crowd. You're old for the 18-24 year olds (You'll look like the store manager who's trying too hard), and you're still young to those in 30s+.
There are loads of people who only buy a computer for reading email, browsing the internet, paying bills, doing zoom calls, and watching online content. Typically, this is the person I would direct towards a ChromeBook or iPad. The single largest downside to either of those choices is that they don't run a real desktop operating system. Yes, windows for ARM is extremely limited compared to X86 windows but, as long as the computer is reasonably priced, it's a great choice for a ton of users and those users likely won't encounter the limitations. They get to have the efficiency benefits of Apple Silicon without paying Apple prices for a MacBook Air.
I followed the links to the three laptops featured in this video. They range from $900 to $1200. That's already in Macbook Air territory for pricing. Especially considering you can frequently find the M1 Macbook Air for around $700. I'd take the Macbook over any of these for the trackpad alone.
@@MortonSeinfeld i think this is the problem... with this usability, a laptops like this should cost $600-800 max
The answer, as always, Linux on an old thinkpad.
This is my grandma. She has an all in one pc. She hardly uses it though and uses her iPhone more often
@@MortonSeinfeld and that is why I gave my mom an iPad. It cost about $600 and does everything she needs. It also has a nicer display than any laptop at that price point which makes it well suited for content consumption.
18:05 "Holy moly!"
PAWG!😱
Ridge: Why does everyone keep taking the cash?! This Cybertruck is PLATED! WITH GOLD!
Jokes aside, taking the cash is the most financially smart option. Taking the car means you have to pay taxes on that and most people don't have thousands of dollars lying around. Taking the cash means you can pay the tax and still have money left over.
They only needed to invest in one (picture of) gold plated cybertuck to sell winners on the idea they're being savvy. Anchoring.
@@jamesmnguyen Exactly right. I've seen so many people say "well, my cousin took the cash, and then they taxed him ten times the cash value", and I'm like "THAT'S NOT HOW TAXES WORK!"
@@yesthatpaul You just write it off tbf
I can’t help but feel like Linus would be really well served by a MacBook. Would love to see an installment of this series for Macs.
@@andrewreaganm Macbooks are trash
@@andrewreaganm sensible people wouldn't like spending $200 for a 8GB ram upgrade
@@M3N04actually the notebooks featured on this video are way worse than any Apple Silicon MacBook. Almost everything they complained about runs natively on macOS and battery life just about the same. If you don’t like MacBooks, stick with x86, since ARM notebooks suck if they’re not made by Apple.
@@TheMr82kyou know that in Snapdragon notebooks everything also will be soldered and be not upgradable? Upgrades will be expensive for all manufacturers in the future.
@@tahaak these are still better than macs tbh, because despite some things not being native yet they can be run via emulation. Some people literally pay for parallels to use windows, truth of the matter is windows is the best all round OS
That sweepstakes is a huge gamble, you either win and get the Velociraptor, or lose and are stuck with the Cybertruck. Talk about high stakes
10:34 It seems Linus understands now what you need to be a linux gamer.
what you talking about?
on a steam deck yes. it is a portable system after all.
but on desktop... 95% of stuff just works nowdays. is mostly the stuff with crazy anti cheat that doesn't. but they are are all like live service games that consume your life... if you are a player of those you ain't going to Linux to start with
So if everything you do is in a browser... google had that product and released it years ago called chromebooks. Or you can just get a tablet. Gen1 of this product isn't ready and we need to see if it survives and gets support from devs. Sammy was the only realist on the panel.
A processor like this in a ChromeBook would be awesome. Combining the efficiency of these ARM chips with the lightweight operation of ChromeOS would be pretty awesome.
Except Chromebooks didn't have MS Office, like snapdragon (Win RT) does. I would pay the premium just for access to MS Office.
Curious. Does chromebook also have the same battery life?
@@OraKoploOraGawe I doubt it very much, Chromebooks are x86 aren't they? I never heard of a ChromeBook with ARM support anyway. It likely would need emulation. Or ChomeOS could be ported to ARM64 I suppose.
@@rmjohnson144 What? Chromebooks have been using snapdragon chips for years. Even last gen, from $300 Lenovo and Acer Chromebooks to the $500 non-chromebook Galaxy Book 3 go, they all use snapdragon 7c. I do not understand why people are still hyped about X elite laptops, while suddenly saying they don't need to be able to run demanding x86 programs. If they don't care about x86 programs, last gen's snapdragon chromebooks and laptops can do what they need just fine, they've had amazing battery life for years, and are way cheaper.
ive actually been maining one of these for about 3 ish months, heres my thouoghts.
As a productivity machine, they are absolutely amazing. The battery life is unmatched (in terms of windows machines) and CPU performance is amazing for arm apps (and even some x86-64 apps too.) The only downside ive noticed is that for gaming, basically no games support these things, and if they do the performance is *le shit*
It's been 2 months with Surface 15. As an UI UX Designer, I am super happy with this device. Battery lasts around 10h for Figma, Ps, VIdeo calls, and browsing.
Samsung galaxy book 4 user here: I absolutely LOVE this laptop. Its amazing, and does everything I expect a laptop to do. If you want gaming, 3d design, video editing, etc, use a desktop. Those are not things a reasonable person would expect of a laptop whose biggest claims to fame are lightweight and long battery life.
@@daboss8590 I am thinking about buying an I pad 10 generation+ Samsung galaxy book 4 instead of MacBook air m2 . What is the battery life of your laptop ?
What is the battery life of your laptop Samsung galaxy book 4?
@18:07, I'm with Alex, I don't give a F***, lol. Its marketing's new buzzword for machine learning, and it's getting regulated into the dirt, so what's the point really?
Linus and Sammy: I've had some audio issues
Every linux user: YEAH! THAT'S HOW IT FEELS!
I've been using MX Linux. Never had an audio issue with two different laptops. Maybe I got lucky though... ? But everyone keeps using and recommending unstable distros though, so who knows.
YEAHH, Linux on my Surface is terrible for this...
lmfao
Not Asahi Linux users!
Pipewire has been flawless for me
3:04 UUh m1 anyone?
@@DaveMenkehorst I used an M1 MacBook in highschool and would have that thing open in a webrowser doing homework and stuff for 8 hours a day and it would easily go for a week or more. Now I have a Dell Inspiron that lasts 2-3 hours.
Right? I was gonna say the same thing. I have a 16” m3 pro and that shit just keeps going. I charge maybe once a week with lighter use, could easily last like 8+ hours on battery in ableton too
I hope you guys do a part 2 to this like a year from now so we can see how much better the compatability and experience has come since then. I feel like progression will go crazy fast at the start and you might even be able to use it as a "real computer" in only like 6 months.
9:30 truly a Horrible Products moment
@@rowd8343 could very well be a driver issue to be fixed.
Thanks for your service, beta testers.
my privilege
thank you for the university student part i needed to hear that
Linus has the shoe style of a German boomer.
My favorite thing about this video is the AI part. Linus and Alex only used it when they accidentally pushed the button and the zoomer only used it to replace a bookmark basically :D
If you don't know how to bind a global shortcut via settings for a ChatGPT prompt, this button might have value for you. Otherwise it's a waste of keyboard space.
@@TheJackiMonster Yeah... I hate dedicated buttons. Programmable buttons are okay, but on my TV remote the netflix and roku buttons drive me insane.
Anyway my point is the AI was supposed to be a key selling feature and even tech savy users are really not interested in it.
I still can't get over Linus having blonde hair.
@@VacMaster1991 idk why it looks edited. It looks like a snapchat filter
I didn't even notice, I'm already used to seeing him like that😂😂
*orange hair
Yellow/orange, not blonde, one could say, almost redhead. they are really bad. duh
Yeah, blonde with no BEARD 😂
I really appreciated Sammy's takes here. I would be interested in seeing more their thoughts on other topics.
What's the point of testing by Linus? We already knew that web browsers worked fine on arm.
But do they work fine on Windows on Arm? Audio rendering issues in TH-cam (browser) is not fine!
Linus loves to drop things and it could change everything
@@pafnutiytheartist what you know =/= what everyone knows
Crash testing.
But also, I think the idea was that he would represent Average Joe daily driving it.
I've been running the 16" Samsung on ARM and it's been a great experience!
0:13 Linus face too reflective for green screen 😂😂
Taran's absence is showing :(
"If we make it so the laptop doesn't do anything useful, the battery will last for ever!" - Genius
I mean, x86 laptops have shit battery life even if you don't do anything useful on it, so arm laptops does have its uses.
@@stephen01king indeed they do, as do chromebooks. I'm hoping they will develop - or encourage developers to make programs specifically for them - so we can all benefit.
I love how this video was structured like a group discussion!
So it's a Chromebook with a new name
Remember when Tech Challenges had actual challenges and tasks in them…
The Linux one was legendary for that. I was fine with this one being shallow - there's not nearly as much to explore. It's not like copying a file or adding a printer would be different than any other machine they use
This is why Rosetta 2 was so impressive
If I want a device just for portability or media consumption, I would prefer an iPad to “not a real computer”. As long as you cannot make this your only computer this will always just be a secondary device. That’s what tablets have been for for years. I’m sure software and compatibility will improve over time but I don’t think they are there yet. And before you hate on me for this comment, ask yourself if you would give up all your PC’s and just use an ARM based laptop. If their target is to just replace work laptops this could work though, depending obviously on your job and requirements.
This Ridge givaway is ONLY FOR THE US! Would be nice if you just honestly said this in the video instead of us having to find out when we click the link.
I just heard that one of your writers used chatGPT for research and my skull imploded.
Mine too. NOT a good sign lol.
No, it makes sense for the quality lol
Our social guy uses it to tweak tweets, very different lol
That is a big difference. Talk about misrepresenting the truth@@LinusTechTips
Doing research using ChatGPT on its own is indeed bad, but coupled it with Google and it works wonder. Better than using the now terrible Google search engine on its own.
I feel like the autopilot button super gimmicky, like rabbit r1 level of gimmicky. I'm not saying autopilot or AI assistance is useless, just the idea of having a physical button for it is silly. I feel like it could have been a keyboard shortcut or something.
I'm a windows user but for work I need to use a macbook. And on MacOS right now, there's a ChatGPT app and I freaking love it. Whenever during work, I can just hit option+space to bring up ChatGPT and ask it anything (it's kinda like command+space). I notice that I've been relying on it so much that I rarely use google any more. And if not for gaming, I prefer to use my macbook just because of it. It makes research on any topics so much easier and more smooth.
So, basically, just release a ChatGPT app for Windows. Problem solved. No need to buy a shiny new laptop just for their ‘AI button’ gimmick they’ve been hyping up
I really like these types of videos. They seem really genuine and nice
Are Linus’s socks made out of James May’s favorite shirt?
1:40 I s**t my pants and started looking for a charger. Then I remembered I am sitting at a desk computer with four displays and one of them had this video on background.
I enjoy that the pink hat was a readily available prop.
I am glad Sammy's shirt was addressed in the video, I am relieved I wasn't the only one thinking that. :)
I’m sorry, better than a Mac?! For once I believe I can say that M series can finally play supported AAA titles unlike the snapdragon PCs. Now I’m interested in seeing gaming performance on both platforms and how both fare on gaming compatibility.
6:15 davinci runs natively
@patrickkayser not everyone use DaVinci lol
These guys just single-handedly sold more macs than any commercial apple ever did
I think LTT's infomercial still resonates with the clients they are targeting. ie: people who rarely use a computer but occasionally perform medium-intensity tasks and use web services. ie: Individuals that are willing to spend more but not Apple-level prices, as buying Apple would require them to acknowledge and understand the value Apple provides to its clients and for an orange/yellowish hair client, admitting it would help them/others over what they do for money(ie: creating & supporting corporate market saturation & product proliferation incentives) would be too much for that type individual's pride.
This comment smells huge ignorance and fruit fanboyism
@@thermicbonkery
Nope it does not Mac’s are just amazing it took Microsoft 12 years to get here while Apple did it in only 4 years
@@AchakBrooks Still would rather a Macbook Air that's in the same ballpark (and cheaper) than some of these
@@AchakBrooks yeah these are all $900+ machines. Definitely not cheaper
Seems like a very good compromise for students not involved in heavy editing.
I'm interested.
14:02 german will love linus x))
Seeing the pain in Horst’s face as he’s forced to use a PC for a B roll bit, it’s…a lot.
Case hardened pattern 661
My takeaway is, better than a Chromebook, worse than a normal everyday laptop, for students it's totally fine, for work, depending on what you are doing could be great, or could be a disaster.
IMO it's great to have another competitor inovating on battery and everyday use
So basically it's a really really efficient Chromebook with windows in it
Those sandals with purple socks is unhinged
So cringe
LTT - Windows ARM : This laundry list of problems is acceptable. Linux: I had to open a terminal once, not ready for mainstream.
As sad as it is, they're probably right. When the average user sees the terminal their eyes glaze over and they think you want to hack their laptop. Most users don't want that, they want error messages they can just blindly click away with the OK button and something that at least appears like it's working. They maybe have never seen a good computer in their life so they also think Windows quirks are normal. I once literally had to tell a student that their brand new $1000 laptop taking 5 minutes to boot or open a window is not okay and that they should get it replaced.
Honestly, the real problem here is windows obfuscating what even went wrong in the first place. “Simplified” my ass.
1:41 That video edited low battery notification fooled me in an instant!