NEVER install these programs on your PC... EVER!!!
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- We have talked about what software every PC should have... but today we are going to talk about what software you should NEVER install... EVER!
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You left out Windows11.
Ahh, I came here to make this comment too
This
You mean windows? Why specifically 11
Amen
You legend...
I remember early days of the internet we all worried about "Pop-Up Ads"......Now the whole internet is one big "Pop-Up Ad"
We wiped our cookies every day, defraged at least once a week, and the biggest virus was PC Stoned, or some variation. I used to swear that Pecker Norton wrote malware so he could sell antivirus.
The beloved defrag 😂 wow. Thank you for that trip down memory lane. This comment is pure GOLD!
I mean the only reason these don't work well anymore is browsers changing their defaults to block them... the majority won't touch a setting so yeah.
@@tetedur377 Your not defragging a solid state drive?
For sure, I said it out loud as he did haha, the good old days!
This brings back memories. My former mother-in-law was a prolific PC killer. I think I wiped and reinstalled her laptop close to a half dozen times, but it would only take her a month or so to gum it up again. I used to say, she never met a link she wouldn't click. She even got scammed into an expensive PC maintenance contract with a company in Asia, and they installed a bunch of suspect looking software. To this day, I'm still surprised she didn't get phished out of her life savings.
I know your pain my family and relatives are the same, I'll be like what the hell are you all doing I say to them don't do this, don't do that, the comeback answer is "It wasn't me". When I was taught by my late uncle, he always said, "You can bet your bottom dollar it is the thing between the chair and keyboard that is the problem"
@@johntaylor3298My MiL once got a phishing email that was addressed to her by the portion before the @ in her email address, which was obviously auto-generated (dear firstname.lastname). When I asked her what she did, she said, "Well, I was about to delete it, because I don't have a TD account and never have, but then I got to thinking. How would they know my name? How would they even know I exist? So you see I HAD to click on it. I had no choice". That was a fun one to fix. Had to have her reset a bunch of passwords, which annoyed her to no end. And I think she just added "1" to the end of her old password. 🤦♂
Give her Linux and pray to God she doesn’t break it
@@mawi2815 Mount the /home folder on another drive and use a backup software to restore the system when needed. A couple of reoccurring backups that are 1 week apart from each other should do the trick.
Mint has that software built in. It also has a software manager that acts like an app store. Plus, she can't install software unless she has administrative privilege... Administrator has the keys for groups and users. Easy Peezy
Until she finds a way to access the files from an exterior port...or NOT. 😬
Totally agree. Older folks in church ask me to help them buy laptops or PCs, and when they arrive, I do a full reset immediately and start with a clean image, and just grab the needed drivers. 👍
Microsoft windows is number 1 on that list🤣
100%. The same with a lot of people at my church. I want to start a PC literacy class in the near future to teach people about all the stuff normies typically don't know or understand. I would love to popularize Linux Mint: Debian Edition with people, using the windows like icons theme.
Thankfully my pastor is sharp and tech savy. Was previously a project manager at Siemens. He makes sure the church itself avoids using shifty stuff.
Drivers? Windows Updates does that automatically.
People act like we're still using Windows 7... I wish.
can you just reset windows without the code?
1:08 Norton
2:03 McAfee
4:17 NordVPN
7:53 Shopping extension
11:03 PC speed booster
15:51 Pre installed software
17:36 Other software included in free programs
18:30 Precautions in pirating software
Thanks for saving me 19 minutes lol
the comment i was looking for, thanks
You the MVP brother.
I'm actually surprised that Windows was not mentioned.
Just curious what's wrong with NordVPN? I use the ExpressVPN app is that bad too?
You all should 100% do a video where you load all of these and other programs onto a rig, test the hell out of it, and then remove them and test it again. Just for fun.
It’d be great to see a benchmark after installing each PC accelerator, and see the numbers go up and up (time elapsed of course).
A youtuber that goes by basicallyhomeless has a series where he just installs as many viruses he can on a pc to see what happens. Check him out if you're curious about this specific scenario.
That is NOT fun
However - you may have a warped sense of what fun is.
Go to a FUN ERAL -- Perhaps that will offer some sense
of excitement for you
And he should use his fixit voice when he shows the loaded up rig.
Then back to his normal voice for the clean rig.
DIS!
Years ago I had speculated that Norton had hackers in their basement developing and deploying virus software into the internet so they would always have a reason to stay in business.
Mmm hmm. Complete racket.
That's Gates too. Even with the vaccines👀
Technically you are not wrong, there are hackers 'white hackers' (which you get a licence to do) a friend of mine used to be one many years ago before they became greedy. Viruses have to be hacked themself in order to get rid of them. but i can assure you they do not do this haha
I speculated that too lol
thats not so hard to believe. world is ful of scammers like that
First-time viewer. Kinda just nodded along with everything you were saying until the very end where you said Defender was good enough for most people. I almost caught on fire how quickly I slammed the Like button. I can't tell you how many people I've told this to. "What AV do I use then??" How about the free one that comes as part of your operating system, that most definitely knows what files belong there. And then my soul dies a little, having said something good about Microsoft.
“And then my soul dies a little…” LOL, that was hysterical. 😂❤
I've said that since it came out
It is a two-edged sword saying Defender is good. Unfortunately Defender doesn't protect you from Microsoft.
I think people still think of the days where defender wasnt exactly the greatest. But yeah nowdays no point even installing a secondary av
Today's adventures. Notice computer sluggish late last night, hardly swaps between apps. Does the same this morning. Looking in my sys tray for something and there MS is "Windows must reboot...." Holding my computer hostage until I do what they want.
Incognito mode does NOT do anything to hide your information or data transferred from your ISP or any bad actors. Incognito mode is not more secure, it just doesn't store browser data locally. That's all it does.
This cannot be emphasized enough!!
@@Vermeulenisdenaam i mean chrome literally tells you that when you open an incognito tab, so the only way not to know that is if you just don't read.
@@atomicwaffle420 yes, I know... but the ability to read is one of the most overestimated talents for the average Joe internet visitor ;)
@@atomicwaffle420 I don't know what you said because I didn't read it but you're wrong.
@@atomicwaffle420to be fair though years of computer use have trained me to instinctively press the right button without reading pop ups and shit XD
Rule of thumb that goes beyond software: If it’s advertised by TH-camrs and Podcasts it’s junk 99% of the time.
Unless it's something directly on the OS, like Check Disk. I almost never listen when people recommend trash like Wondershare, Recuva and others. I once used CheckDisk to recover a whole corrupted drive.
Everything Tool
Glasswire
Window PowerToys
these are the best tools in the business
@@PhonkEchoMalwarebytes?
@@craftwanderer8802 Malwarebyte is the best by far i used. I used Avast and whatnot.
Nothing compare to malwarebyte.
I got an adware once, i downloaded Malwarebyte, it automatically quarantine the virus and it auto scan any files you download, if its suspicious it will auto quarantine.
100% on Norton and McAfee. It can take several hours to fully get rid of them.. Or so you think they are gone.. lol
Just for a new Lenovo laptop from my employer, and it had McAfee pre-installed on it. We un-installed McAfee since that's not the anti-virus we use, and we STILL get McAfee pop-ups daily saying our protection is expired. It's the software that won't go away.
I had to get an IT tech friend of mine to spend an hour or two clearing it from my laptop completely. He uninstalled it but there were still traces of it somewhere and it was completely stopping me from using the programs I had specifically purchased the computer for. He fine-tooth-combed through the computer and finally got it all. I refuse to have anything to do with McAfee ever again. So shady.
I still own a lenovo that had McAfee too from 2017. Didnt have such problem removing it. Hjnestly i let it run a year for test and noticed it didnt protect me at all but defender did after i removed McAfee. Since then i jave Defender+IOvit antinalware and regularly running PE OS with AV too
The worst cases were Norton + Mcafee at the same time, try it if you want to see how slow things can be.
i run a cmpletely clean set up no antivirus no antimalware the only thing i run is bog standard windows defender i have never had any viruses or malware and if i got a virus i am tech svy enough to comb through system files and find it i have done so in the past
Its worse then virus itself 😂
What is annoying about VPN is that, while you use it for shopping or banking, many sites block it so you cant use it for exactly what you want to use it for to prevent theft of your sensitive data.
This makes me wonder if something like Firebug can temporarily bypass that. I used to use it all the time to break into paywalled movies. Good times
I don't have that problem. I found a highly recommended open source vpn (OpenVPN) that works quite well. I'm even considering turning one of my many PC's into a VPN server to host it, so I can feel confident about who's handling my VPN data.
My gf's mom had so many "bars" from installed applications in her browser that the actual window was half the size lol.
There was a meme of that sort of thing.
I can understand this...
@@noneyabizz8337 if you uninstall all the applications then you
I’ve seen this, yahoo bar…
I used to work in the Fry's service center repairing computers and we always had competitions on who got the computer with the most malware, spyware, viruses, and took bars installed
Norton and McAfee have been crap for over 20 years. Back then, I was a computer tech and the amount of effort that it took to clean up the mess they left (god help you if it crashed during install) was insane. Calling them resource hogs is an understatement.
Yup totally agree. However in most, but not all cases the Mcafee and Norton removal tools usually do a pretty good job cleaning them off when the uninstaller fails.
I had to reinstall windows XP for a guy after he put 98 Norton on it. Don't use I told him. 2 hrs later. It doesn't work. I booted in safe mode. He had reinstalled Norton. I said "you're on your own" He took it to a shop and paid £100.
@@markenetube My worst one was this guy who bought Norton at Walmart, installed it on his Windows ME, and it crashed during install. So he tried it again. Crash. Finally brought it to my shop, and this was before they put out their tools. It took me hours to clean it out of the registry, it wrote itself to an ungodly number of places. I installed a different AV for him, told him to see if he could get a refund. McAfee was just a major resource hog.
@@markenetube
To be fair back in the XP days there was no built in security so it was typical to install a third party solution. But yes even back then Norton and Mcafees security suites could mess up an XP machine at the drop of a hat. Back then I always told my customers to stay away the suites and stick with most basic versions of these programs.
so what is a good virusscanner ? Is window security enough ?
I love it, you just got my subscription! I would suggest to anyone wanting to speed up their PC, setup a RAM Drive and point browser caches to that location. That gives browsers quick cache plus anything written there is gone between reboots.
I regularly help people out by fixing their PC. From my experience I can totally agree with every statement you make in this video.
I don't even click links in emails I do trust. Financial places I go directly to them and log in, just in case.
Bank's just shouldn't use links in their messaging, and traint user's that their messages don't have links
Yep, I do the same.
I got sent an email from CaixaBank saying my data had been lost and I had to create another password, and I was like "hold on, I don't even have a CaixaBank account, these morons tried to scam me"
Truth. Don't use links, use URLs and history. Heck, even your bookmarks are somewhat safer than links.
This is the way.
Norton used to be awesome, but even Norton himself suggests not using it after he sold it. They turned it into a monster of a joke.
Same with McAfee. As Jay said, the history of that man is incredible. He made one of the first awesome malware tools then when he left, the new owners turned it into a moneygrab scam that ended up trusted by so many OEMs because of the money they paid and the history that it used to be good.
John McAfee himself made the most incredible video on how to uninstall it. I recommend looking it up. Yes, they really are actual hookers and I'm 100% sure that's not flour.
just like planet fitness
@@Cymru1987 they at least still function as they are supposed to. Get rid of the idiots and it's fine. Norton can't be fixed.
Their BIOS scans and pre-OS scanners are still very good and were the only thing to detect a Rootkit that I knew I had due to computers weird behavior but could not locate otherwise. Best is you run it from a USB drive instead of installing anything. Highly recommend that and run periodic scan every 3 to 6 months or so .
@@seditt5146 There are still significantly better programs out today than Norton. Like I said, it USED to be awesome, but not any longer.
Really appreciate this kind of videos. It might seem simple & obvious to some, but to others, they need someone like you telling exactly what they should & should not install on their PCs.
Stay awesome Jay & the team. Really enjoy your contents. From a fan all the way from Malaysia 👍🏽
I feel lucky, my Mom is paranoid enough to not click _any_ link in an email, without asking me to check it first.
Same with my mom.
The good old hey-son-antivirus
@@PerticaJrthe most reliable 😂
Same. 😂 I think I’ve drilled that into my parents’ head well enough that they always have me check things if they’re not sure if they should click something.
Same
About 20 years ago, if that, a nurse friend of mine, who was recently disabled, put Norton Utilities on her new computer... the computer all but froze. It took FOREVER for just one web page to load, if at all; the same for all programs on her computer. She was in a wheelchair, was somewhat of a computer novice, and called me for help. I'd say it took me between 50 and 60 HOURS to get Norton-Not-So-Useful-Utilities off her computer. After that, wiping her hard drive and reinstalling her operation system and programs was a comparative "walk in the park." For years now, when asked about Norton, I say, "RUN!"
FOOTNOTE: getting rid of McAfee, some years later, cured many undiagnosable, and annoying, issues on my computer.
The original Norton Utilities, back on classic Mac, worked wonders. I really did love it, particularly the defragmenter. That was then... this crap is now.
I had to do this three seperate times, Norton was garbage.
About 35 years ago "Norton Commander" was the first way to get a "tree-view" of your drive and folder structure. This was in MS-DOS times. It was a hit. It was quickly acquired by Symantec and since then it did a lot of good stuff but after the late 90's made a nosedive I'd say.... You have the right of it, but it goes deeper is all I'm trying to say :)
I guess back then, the notion of removing the hard-drive and attaching it as a secondary/slave drive to another computer wasn't so known. Would have saved you some time.
By the way on modern windows (since at least 2006) there's something called a safe mode which boots without non-essential items, this will make sure Norton and other crap don't launch at startup so you can remove it.
I had a similar problem with Norton and couldn't uninstall it. When I asked Symantec how to get it off my PC the answer I got was "why would you want to?". Well, I got rid of it in the end and I never used it again.
The original Norton was great. It was only after Symantec took it over that it went downhill. Stay away from Symantec.
This is a GREAT VIDEO and most of my thoughts about these programs have been validated! Thank You!
you need a pc performance booster👍🫵
It is so nice to see you have the exact same opinion as I do on a lot of really crap software, been trying to stop folks using a lot of these for years, an old boss loved Norton, drove me up the wall him telling everyone it was amazing.
have you ever used advanced system repair if so what did it do exactly?
I'm so glad you discussed Norton and McAfee. I've told people to stay away from those for 20 years.
So what should people use then?
@@Triforcebro nothing. Windows Defender is good enough
@@Triforcebro If you really want to add another layer to the system already built into Windows, then all I can say is "Do your research." All I can tell is that the last third party anti-virus program I used was "eset" - but I haven't used it in many years, so I can't vouch for how it operates today.
@@steveg1961 Eset and Malwarebytes is pretty good
@@Triforcebro Linux MInt :)
My Mum just bought a $1400 laptop, then got talked into paying for norton and office.
The first thing I did was uninstall Norton, then she told me she paid for it...
I told her next time don't buy a computer without me.
Some of my friends, relatives and co-workers ask me for advice when it comes to PC and IT in general. Some of them diregard my advice and then come to me for help. I do help them of course. By their choice they learn the lesson the hard way and next time they do listen to me and do what I say. If not, I refuse to help them anymore.
windows defender is good enough than paid any anti virus
@@indrahaseo exactly my idea, I havent ever used extra antivirus or boosters or whatever, I clean installed my laptop because I couldnt uninstall any of them
@@jurgenmeriste6794 yes indeed, I understand how you feel that cannot uninstall of them completely but no choice to format everything and reinstall windows
@@jurgenmeriste6794 Yes indeed, I understand how you feel because of that program or booster
You are a man after my own heart. The number of times I have told customers, friends and relations exactly what you are saying here. What also annoys me are all the useless background services, perhaps you could do a video about them please? Many thanks.
you need a pc performance booster🫵👍
I definitely have experienced this as I have a tendency to try new things and over time ended up with so many background processes from shit I never use anymore. Monitoring the processes and removing any software I don't use anymore showed a huge increase in performance.
Thanks for this. I've been a PC tech since 1996, and clients NEVER EVER listen to me about avoiding spurious websites. And then they call me when their PC is toast. Oh well, their ignorance keeps me in business.
Shady sites aren't that bad if you go in with proper protections in place, script blockers with overzealous settings, adblockers, a VPN, etc to ensure only the barest minimum is allowed to load.
But that requires a level of experience I don't expect out of anyone who hasn't been on the internet for 20 years.
@@slamshift6927 No kidding. And that's why I urge my clients to AVOID click-bait and email scams. It's simply too easy to click on a link that takes your browser to a trojan/virus/phishing page. But they never learn. Ugh.
I like them dumb !
Thats about when I started fixing them aswell. No one ever listens to the tech they think we don't know anything. But who's the first one they run to when his/her PC dies? lol
My first pc was an IBM 486 tower PC. And 90% of the time it was on, was spent defragging the hard disc drive. Yeah, I'd run it about once a week, but it was something that took several hours to complete. That computer was so old that it originally had DOS, SHELL and Windows 3.1 on it. And I still had to use command prompt to search for and run exe files.
The FIRST general rule to avoid any scams (apart from never click on a link within an email) is, if you receive an email that says ANYTHING about being charged at all then call your credit card company and check your purchases THERE. Do not call any numbers they give you. Call the number on your statements. Basically, when checking, stick to things you know are reputable / real.
Or you could just use your common sense and never put any of your financial details online anywhere ever.
@owenorders5202 that's what credit cards are for. If your info gets out its 100% covered by the bank.
To piggy back off OP: I never respond directly to anything. No mail, calls, anything. I contact the company myself through normal channels always. Phishing isn't only done via email.
Can't you just check the banking app? Or does US not have them?
@@dkail08 Not only do I never do any financial transactions online, but nowhere online do I ever post my real name or any personal details about anything. I do get regular phone calls from scammers and I enjoy wasting their time. But to those who do think that it's slick and trendy to do banking online, I say this: scammers and their equipment are getting more sophisticated every year; so, in the not too distant future it will become very hard for the banks and credit card companies to establish that you actually were defrauded, and they will make it harder and harder for you to be reimbursed, because if they settled all the claims, they would quickly become, well, bankrupt.
@@KEN4K
We have banking apps in the US.
Great video. I run into multiple AV programs installed on almost every computer I work on too. Subscriptions are outdated, nag screens to update, the works.
This is the first video of you I''ve watched. Gotta say, that ending was *chef kiss*. You're an entertainer.
This is freaky, I work at Mattress Firm, and I literally talked to a lady about an email that she got from "Norton" saying they were charging her $500 for her subscription. I told her DON'T CALL THAT NUMBER! And then I watch this video...
Do you work at one of those weird Mattress Firms that is inexplicably directly across the street from another Mattress Firm?
@ZeusTheIrritable Not anymore, but I did once. The reason for that happening was because Mattress Firm bought a lot of other mattress retailers, but the lease on that store was for a set number of years. As a company, we are slowly fixing that problem.
@@jandecoleman1 Damn. I was hoping to hear that there was genuinely that much demand for mattresses in certain places that it necessitated multiple stores in one location. Or, that it was a front for some huge drug cartel.
@@ZeusTheIrritable Hiding the money under the mattress 🤣
I love how your comment was at the top of the list for me, and we have the same profile picture XD
My dad is not that old and despite having moved on, he worked with computers a lot when he was younger. Back when we only had a family computer we had to share, you would not believe how hard I fought with him because he kept installing three different anti virus and then complained the pc was slow
😭💀
Pain. Once had mcaffee installed on my old laptop and it was so hard to get rid off completly with windows 7
@@ToxicMothBoi😂😂😂 Windows! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did you notice, the antivirus programs often identify the other anti virus programs viruses that have been isolated, as active viruses. That was the day I discovered Norton Antivirus program was useless junkware.
@@ToxicMothBoi This is true, literally had McAfee try and hijack the family computer when I was a kid. I ended up having to do the partition thing in order to get to a place where I could clear the mess out.
A lot of great insight in this video actually. Hilarious ending too lol. Making me take a 2nd look yet again to see if I can clean out more software and bloatware. Had no idea that onedrive was a big deal to uninstall!
This guy advices the real deal, thanks for the heads up! New follower here, great content!
For two summers in a row while I was still in school, my full time job was to work for an IT department at a factory going through all the new PC's they were buying and deleting all the garbage software they had preinstalled. It was such a long process that even doing it full time, it took me 6 months.
Wouldnt it be much faster to just reinstall the OS?
@raffypasalo it would, or even have image ready. But then he would not have a full time job ;)😂
@@raffypasalo In the 80's we had a program for the Mac . This was the time when typing pools existed. The program would display a warning that water had been found in the hard drive. "Please standby while the water is being pumped from your hard drive". A schematic of the process with animated, pixel graphics would appear on the screen. Fun stuff.
@@arthurfirth3366 The cookie monster and the dinosaur were the best localtalk programs, not viri but a cute prank.
Did you do mannually?😮
A bit of PowerShell knowledge could cut deleting process to just mere minutes (depends how fast system is and how much needed to be deleted).
(If clear install was not an option)
I've been an IT consultant for almost 40 years. I can attest that everything you said in this video is 100% true. Great job. Keep up the great work!
Back when Norton first started it was fantastic, it came on a 720 floppy disk and ran from there. Later they moved to symanic and it was all down hill from there. As you say it actually slowed the system down and became and became very invasive. Trying t removed it was a work of art.
Looove this video! Thanks so much. You are 100 percent correct. You left out CC Cleaner--back in the day, it was great. Now? Not so much.
John McAfee had almost nothing to do with the Anti-Virus-Suite since 1994, after he stepped down in the company and esp. in 1997, when he sold the company.
And in the later years, he used to tell people not to install it.
It's still terrible.
He was actually an interesting guy, who might have been "offed". Although he was nuts.
I used mcafee webadvisor toolbar in the 2000s and it was okay but lots of false negatives like flash games sites came up as dangerous. Haha remember toolbars 😂😊
And in the later years he said he was embarrassed by the products carrying his own name.
BonziBuddy not mentioned, we're so back BonziBros
Rest in piss. Forever miss.
I understand there is a current version of Bonzai Buddy, but it's ineffective on today's Windows versions.
Man I remember that tutorial by Ramzi on how to pirate Bonzi Buddy. That’s how I got it back in the day.
Back to monke
@@Dave01Rhodes Ah yes. Ramzi lol. "Let's download some ware-ez". You just reminded me of Kevin Rose from those videos. I wonder what he's up to nowadays.
Great video @Jayztwocents
Thank you for sharing!
Yeah, I haven't used Norton, AVG, or McGaf in a long time. Only product I really cared about using from Norton was Norton Speed Disk and Norton Ghost.
Yeah, I would stay away from registry cleaners as well. They cause more issues then they fix.
Just wanted to drop a thank you for your videos and a hope all the best for you and yours, really apreciate you being honest about shit
"YOU ARE A PROGRAMMER. YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS SH**." absolutely sent me 🤣 people are so funny
Yeah. People should start going beyond a simple “programmer” classification in colloquial terms. It’s just too broad. I’ve had friends who are spectacular engineers in very specific programming areas wondering if a vpn connection would lower their latency to a server.
The most hilarious ones are the "RAM defragmenters" They do nothing but fill up the rest of the RAM by allocating every single bit left and then just dump it all at once. Like if that's doing anything meaningful.
@@somebodysomeone23 Yes, everybody has their own strong suits and weaknesses. I dont think the problem is with the term though, there are plenty of people who call themselves mechanics, and could fix a really obscure problem in your Truck but may not know a damn about a motorbike or how a bicycle gear works.
@@somebodysomeone23 Hmm, tbh that's a legit question, and the answer is yes, it will lower the latency to a server if the routing is pretty bad to begin with.
@@SviatoslavDamaschin nope
I remember around 2010 I had a new laptop and read that the camera could be turned on without the owner's knowledge.
I removed the program, it was re-installed, I removed it again, etc. That was shocking and a revelation of how constantly users were even then being data collected and spied on.
I had already covered the lens but I wanted it off my computer. I also stuck silly putty over the microphone to mute it.
Put a piece of tape over the camera.
@@jeddiajones4570 That was the same advice a politician said ages ago. My camera lights up with a green light when on but I still point it to the ceiling when not in use.
You can disable it in the BIOS. Disable Intel ME (Intel "safety" features LOL), too if you can while at it. And then put a tape over it and the mic for just in case. ;)
I just bought a laptop with no camera.
@@denisgraham2484 Some people get the laptops from work and have to use them. You can't change anything on them. The black electricians tape and silly putty are probably your best bet in those cases. You can take them off and clean it up relatively easily, and reapply just as easily. Even if you're fired, they can't say you damaged the equipment because of how easily it is to remove it. A hair dryer will ensure the tape and tackiness come off clean.
Thanks for the info. It helps a lot. Good video 👍
Love this video man! Agree with everything you said. Nice
Man! So glad to see somebody calling out all of this garbage! A shop I contract repair work for deals with this on a daily basis, and people will actually push back thinking that we're giving them bad advice about these junk programs. It's a real pain some days.
Send them this video.
Heh a long time ago (23 years) I worked in Phone Tech support for Gateway Computers, and this was even then a constant issue to the point we had a canned response "WE DON'T PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, YOU INSTALL IT AT YOUR OWN RISK" if certain software was found on a customers PC they would be asked to uninstall it, if they refused it ended our support and we could close the call.
LOL! This video has several instances of misinformation, half truths, and even some flat out lying.
I actually got both Norton and McAfee scam emails and even got followed up with an email saying that I was charged on a paypal account I didn't even have.
I always laugh at those 'charge to a service you don't use' ones.
Oh no, how terrible!
Great info very, very informative
Thanks so much.
Stay away from my CCleaner, Jay!
I think I have the lifetime registration for that one, lol, remember back in the day the license was a one time purchase and not subscription?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
First thing that I uninstall when I buy a new Dell is McAffee... thank you for vindicating this! 🙂
The first thing you should be doing when buying a new Dell is throwing it away and getting a better PC. 🙄
First thing to do is not buy a Dell
Just format and reinstall Windows. Simpler.
Just order the Dell without McAfee pre-installed.
Format it right away. It is much faster.
It's really great that big TH-camrs are speaking the truth. I'm a developer and when you see how much damage bad virus scanners do to the economy in the form of lost productivity, I estimate the damage to be x times greater than that caused by viruses themselves. Backup systems and good hardware firewalls are much more efficient here.
Nord VPN must have pulled his funds 😂
Hardware firewall? I didn't know that was still a thing. Don't wifi routers do the same thing?
Speaking the truth? LMAO! There are several instances of misinformation, half truths, and even some flat out lies in this video.
Isnt Norton a creator of some the viruses??
@@MrStevemurI'm hoping this dev can give us examples of h/w firewalls.
2:56 please tell me I’m not the only one who first language is not English and for a second chocked with water when I did not hear “annual” clearly
BUT STILL
So glad I found this video :D we all need more of those high high quality and informative videos. Thank you for e everything, amazing content
Great advice. Thank you!
Did you know that Adobe allows their software to be pirated? The cracks that work on Adobe are the same exact cracks that have been used since photoshop 7 or earlier. There's minor differences, but they are essentially the same.
I asked Adobe once at a job fair at my uni. I asked them because I knew they had really good student version pricing and I wanted to get in on that. Except here in Asia, for some reason, they don't... Their student version pricing required that the version you bought was the extended version of photoshop, which was regular price 1000 usd and discounted down to 700. Regular standard version of photoshop was 699.
In the US, I think student version was 299. But you had to buy through the uni and they could only get what was regionally available.
So I waited until I did a class back in Canada and bought in then with Production Premium cs5.5, which was an awesome deal. And then I upgraded to cs6 which was still cost effective.
And then they screwed everyone with CC and I vowed "not one penny more" goes into their greedy pockets.
And you had better believe I have lived up to that.
Fuck em.
I think up until CC 2018 Adobe allowed their software to be pirated. Not anymore, still there are pirated versions but they are not as clean as before. Also new features are cloud based, so pirating the main software does not allow use those features
@@AnjanaLK not even close to true. The methods are almost exactly the same and haven't changed.
Also interesting is that there are some versions you can download directly from Adobe for free now. Older versions. Been a while since I checked on this, but the point is that Adobe knows they need pirating to remain industry dominant.
I got a tablet a while back and I got infinite painter for literally two dollars. It's feature rich and can do almost everything I do on a regular basis with Ps. Layer masks, adjustment layers, clipping layers... Loads.
It doesn't handle big batches like bridge and lr, but it's very powerful.
I ditched lr mobile and Ps mobile years ago.
But for big projects, I stick with my bread and butter that I have been using for 20+ years.
@@eschelar Microsoft allowed pirating as well. If everyone has Windows on their home computers then industries will want the same software because most people are familiar with it. Microsoft make their money on government/business licenses.
@@fredflintstone8569 yup. 100%. With windows 10 they even had provisions for people who had pirated earlier versions that they could upgrade for free for several months. You could literally set up a system with pirated win7 and get a legitimate copy of win10.
I didn't do that myself because it made the wrong version and I'm a win10 ltsb/ltsc guy, but I know people that did it.
Adobe got really "lucky" by putting in tons of work and being one of the earliest and best when it came to photo editing - Photoshop has always been their golden goose and no other photo editing program can even come close to it, sadly. Why haven't the competition caught up? Pushed out of the market? Hindered by patents and copyright?
So an easy rule to remember is from the Richard Serra quote, "If something is free, you're the product"
Boom!
"Arasaka would like to know your location" ...
The Stupendium - data stream
Goddamit now I have that earworm again
Unless it's open source. Then you're a beta tester.
@@LastofAvari Oh, that's beautiful!
Not if you crack that program
That last 30 seconds...fkn genius, dude! Liked and subbed.
I love this! Most anti virus programs are worse than having a a virus. Back in my Amiga days I collected many viruses and locked them on a floppy disk, everyone who knew what I was doing thought I was mad. Now I think I should have continued. You are right Norton and all the others are BS.
i was one of those people who installed four free antiviruses at once. i don't remember what they were, but Avast was one of them. i thought it would give my machine a boost and give me four layers of protection. i learned the hard way why i couldn't play video games above 16 frames.
Avast is the name Jay was looking for when he said the program started with an "A".
@@StillAProudAmerican-ll2yc Avira and AVG could be one of them as well.
Thanks for this. My dad's no longer around to advise me. Until he was 84 he was still building his own computers. He hated pretty much everything that came along after DOS (sort of joking here) He was so frustrated with all the extraneous stuff that was built into or added on to computers. I, as his 72 year old daughter am extremely careful and have my computers built to specifications I choose. And I don't use Google!
You are commenting on a TH-cam video and you have a user name. Surprise! You are using Google! I guess you didn't know Google bought TH-cam ages ago!
@@jazzcatt😂
@@jazzcattLMAOOOOO
Google is so ubiquitous, I don't think anyone can get away from using it in one form or another if they're on the internet often. And if you can, more power to you!
@@jazzcatt I try not to use Google, but Google won't allow it.
Have you noticed the decline of TH-cam since Google bought it - I'm slowly drifting to other platforms.
Their search engine is nothing of the sort - it's like the old phone books, and only those who have paid (and have the right kind of politics) will be included.
Gmail is acceptable.
Maps is probably the best feature it offers.
Thanks for this. Would love to see an episode on cloud storage services.
Awesome video!
1 very small critique, Incognito/Privacy mode is useless for security/privacy when connecting to an airport. 2 separate things
So true about Norton, constantly pestering to PURCHASE MORE MODULES.
Agree with everything apart from the VPN advice. Here in the UK if you travel to anywhere in Europe they are almost mandatory if you want to continue watching your streaming services. A VPN and an adblocker are the two things I would always have.
Yeah, if they're encrypting your data that doesn't mean they have access to it. Especially if the encryption is happening on your machine. He also said for public WiFi "stay in incognito mode" but that literally does nothing to hide your data.
Yep agreed. It’s one thing to not recommend a specific company like NordVPN, but to propose that VPN providers are boogeymen out to steal your data is ridiculous.
He wasn't against VPN's in and of themselves, just that some of them are basically doing what you're trying to get around and you're paying for them to do it in some cases, hence his advice to do some proper research on them.
I agree VPN is a tool you need. But there are very big differences between the different VPN´s.
The best i found is Proton VPN that don't have access to your personal data and everything is transparent so the actual VPN code is published for everyone to look at.
So no filthy things are in their code. Highly recommended.
@@pwnograffik Part of the VPN is issue is a lot of them are actually owned by the same few companies, and depending on which report you believe roughly 1/3 to 1/2 of the VPNs on the market currently tie back to State-affiliated Chinese company ownership.
Not saying those products are being used by the providing companies for extensive data capture, but there have been a lot of creditable reports strongly suggesting it's a more common issue than may be openly discussed.
Good advice! I already decided Norton was a system drag some time in the earl;y 2000s.
Good video. Even better knowledge. Love it
I absolutely feel your pain about optimizers. Doesn't matter how often I ask him not to, my dad will occasionally install those "PC cleaner and optimizer" on his laptop. He'll also install three of them side by side, and then ask me why his system is running slow. Fun fact - one of them once wiped a bunch of his documents.
Great joke. Yes, regular Windows users just install random crap regularly. Many of them don't even realise when they install them. When I ask "what's this for?" it's usually "I don't know..."
Maybe...he's trying to drive you *crazy!*
@@user-lf3kr1nq2d "but it came for free on this software magazine cd" 🙄
Yup. Norton and McAfee are the epitome of "you die the hero or you live long enough to become the villain." That's my secret, Cap...I *am* the virus.
Time for revenge for taking away the keys to the car when you were a teen because you might do something stupid. 😆
Working in Computer Sales, One of the most interesting things i found with Norton was that, i ran another antivirus while Norton was on the PC as well. It got a hit saying that there was a virus hidden in Norton. This made sense as a heap of customers were getting virus on their computers once the Norton subscription had run out. Some hadn't even been on the internet and the virus popped up from nowhere.
A competitor doing that makes a lot of sense, I'd say.
@@Educated2Extinction AV software is intrusive, all of them should flag each other. So, it does make sense.
my grandfather was held hostage on his computer because of norton they made him pay a ransom to get his login back.
Some virus-scan told windows is harmful.
@@PexiTheBuilder Can't say that's entirely wrong.
Well informed video. Thank you.
I love your information!
"the best way to not have to worry about wrapping your Jimmy is knowing where you're putting it is clean."
Sage advice, Jay.
put that on a t-shirt lol
It was a bit specific.
"Don't stick it in if you know it's a sin!"
After 2 ex wives you can NEVER be sure where you put it IS clean!
It's the truth. I had a nice lady from a place that we won't say gives massages say "Hey, I like you. Next time if you want to skip the protection." That was an instant nope! I like my life like my PC. I only play what I want how I want. The slightly safe sometimes crazy way.
The bloatware was so bad on my friends brand new laptop that it literally took 15 minutes to start, that is not an exaggeration. He wanted me to see if I could do anything and I didn't think it was bloatware but a problem with the computer itself. Well after doing a full backup image, then installing windows clean, it started like it was nuthin. I couldn't believe it, a mainstream PC store was selling a line of laptops with bloatware so bad it makes a brand new laptop start up for 15 minutes before you can do anything. This was in 2011.
Bloatware and single channel ram are normal laptop traits when you buy a new laptop these days
I'm willing to bet millions of dollars it didn't literally take 15 minutes to boot
@@Suyneej it could with a old enough drive that was slow enough it could seriously take 15 minutes to boot mech drive do slow down over time so it's possible that one could slow down enough to slow down windows boot so it took 15 minutes
@@Suyneej An HDD with a ton of bloatware installed? Yep, that's possible.
It's been like that for a while. I used to work for an outsourced call center that took calls for a well known warehouse retailer. I'd get customers who would call in the same day after buying thier pcs complaining about pop-ups and virus alerts. It was always bloatware. We just walked them through a factory reset. A lot of customers just returned them, though.
This is the first video of yours that I have watched, and when you ended the video with " the best way about not worrying about wrapping your jimmy is knowing that where you are putting it is clean" got me to subscribe to your channel. Not only was your advice spot on, but your humor is just as bad as mine. Now I have a new channel I need to go back and binge watch the videos. Looking forward to it now. Wrapping your jimmy.... LMAO....
About performance boosters. For years I was a System Mechanic user, and it saved my PC a lot of harm and kept my system up and running smooth, not bad for $20 a year. Over time, while PCs evolved, so did System Mechanic only it became so simplified to the point of automation and eventually was pretty much useless so I ditched it. The big tic off was when I attempted to contact the company and found they were impossible to reach, even though they wanted me to call them to activate service(?) That should never need to happen with anything and that's when I chucked it. I've had no major problems once I let them go, and my PC is running consistently smooth as ever.
I've watched hundreds of your videos, never commented, but I'm a subscriber. i feel i have to comment today though. That's the best ending ever to any tech video i have ever seen..
I have actually told my customers similar stories.
Great video - Thanks
Microsoft Onedrive. I use this. Tip: remove it from your list of software to run at start up. When you want to sync your data to the cloud run it. Then exit again. It will then not be running in the background using up resources.
Agree 100%
I'd even suggest logging in via website rather than installing OneDrive. Great storage option and a lot of space for free for most people storing pics or docs
And you can automate it with rclone ... I use rclone + a crontab to backup my project every night in the middle of the night. It supports quite a few cloud providers (I'm using mega, but you could also use box, dropbox, gdrive, onedrive, aws, etc).
Need to run a LIVE CD distro of Linux to navigate the the protected folder where the OneDrive installer lives (Windows\WinSxS). Only way to truly remove it is deleting the installer to begin with. Same with all the WinApps. Delete all the crap during a Win install and the bloat/spyware won't be there to begin with. Especially that Cortana c^!*.
Takes a few extra min to sort the seeds, but then you won't be pulling any weeds.
The dad comment was great! I remember my mom thinking all her stuff was saved on her monitor, when it broke she freaked lol... as for the other program you couldn't think of was probably AVG... they were free, we used them a little while back in the day lol
These are the same recomendations I've been giving people for years.
Thank you, for verifying from a trusted source.
Jay always says that a specific link will be included in the description box and guess what, it’s NEVER there. This happens EVERY TIME and I’ve been watching this channel for sometime now.
It is honestly driving me crazy, come on Jay!
@@jessicalawson1417 I don’t think it’s Jays fault here, I think it’s Phil, he does the editing and so he should be including them but then again as he’s forgotten then it’s Jays fault, he should remind him or have it written so that Phil remembers to include it.
PHHIILLLLLL WHEATON!
PHILLLLL!!!!
TBF on this one in particular he mentioned they crashed their site last time by doing this, I guess he didn't put 2 and 2 together in the moment and decided after the fact that maybe lets not do that again, or at least not this soon lol...
I once had a system booster. I turned off the usual features, but kept it to clean the drive and some system folders from junk, which accumulated a bunch of GB over the years. Back, when a 250GB drive was outrageous.
Hey, thank you for the video.
Btw i want to ask, considering that both norton and mcafee are not recommended for having on your pc, as wel as VPNs, what alternative do you believe would be best for both desktop and laptop in terms of security (for the antivirus) and/or accesibility (in case of the VPNs)?
I’m impressed your Dad could actually run both Norton and McAffe. They used to not even run after the other was installed because of the mess they left in the registry!
Oh man. I work in a computer repair shop and have identical advice for countless customers. Idk why I even watched the video.. may just to know that even one other person has some sense out there!
Unrelated, that send off was perfect. Keep doing what you do man!
you so smart omggg you work in a computer repair shop. That's like the hardest IT job out there am I right?
Thank god you and one other person has sense in this world!
Jokes aside, your comment reflects how little you think of other people while actually not being anything great yourself.
As a programmer, I'm getting paid more than you will ever get with your overhours, while I only have to write a few lines of code per day. "Thank god I have sense in this world unlike others"
@@randokaratajev2617 Christ, get a therapist dude.
What kind of PSU's does your shop use? A local place by me has been scamming people by using crappy 300 watt psus in their builds. The other components are actually fine, but the crappy psu guarantees failure or instability forcing people to pay for diagnostic and repair down the road. A relative used them and replacing the psu was the fix. It booted, but was unstable.
@@randokaratajev2617 Hahaha, why so heated?! Poor guy was just expressing his gratitude
@@_PatrickO We spec out all kinds, but Seasonic is probably the best on the market right now. The new MSi MAG PSUs look promising too, with a 10 year warranty.
What are you running in your PC for hardware?
LMAO I used to use the same anaology when telling people about Limewire. Norton, McAfee and AVAST........massive bloat. Built my first PC in '86 an 8088 clone. My how things have changed. Keep up the good work.
19:00 Yep, besides not clicking on links and verifying email senders... not bothering to acquire stuff through alternative methods I probably don't really want or need is a big vector I avoid to getting compromised. Always has been. Feels so not worth it. 😄
Adobe Acrobat Updater is practically a virus. There are so many software installers that by default will install Adobe Acrobat Reader and the updater. If you uninstall Acrobat, the updater is still running and puts it back. I've seen PCs with like 10 disabled acrobat updaters in the startup.
Adobe requires connection to up to 38 Web sites to run its own updater. Try running that through Cabs for a locked down firewall...
Yep - pretty much all pdf readers - just use your browser
can you explain that to more mate, I'm not well versed in that @@lightwoven5326
I have managed fine with Foxit for some time, at least when I need to make changes/edits/form-fill. It is free and I never see anything from it unless I open it. They even have an option to disable their ad banner in settings. xD
Yeah, I use the full version at work allot and because of this I have a "unlocked" version at home, an old one, and the amount of blocks in .host file and such needed to keep the updater or other away is a pain in the A.
Great advice. Whenever I buy a new machine the first thing I do is wipe the hard drive and re-instal windows. Simple.
THIS. They've made it so easy to do a fresh install these days compared to back on 95/98, virtually anyone can do it.
and how do you reclaim the paid windows and office there? seriously asking
@@elesissieghart Machines that came with Windows pre-installed used to have stickers with the product key somewhere on them, or maybe somewhere in the rest of the packaging. You can usually use that. These days, the key is saved to a special place that won't be affected when you wipe the hard drive (ie the BIOS or UEFI), so when you reinstall it it finds that key and reuses it.
With Office, likewise they used to use stickers somewhere in the packaging, but nowadays it's tied to your Microsoft account. As long as you sign in with the same email, you'll still have access to your programs.
(TH-cam refused to show this comment on my screen so if you're seeing two copies of the same comment, blame them. Sorry bout that.)
@@elesissieghartinstall openoffice. Just as good imo.
@@elesissieghart Try Linux Mint. A full working office suite is included for free. Since I did 12 years ago, I have not spent a dime on software since. I did donate to Linux for the software, but that was optional.
Norton were internet privateers, almost from the get go. My very first direct interaction with Norton AV was back in around 1995 and I was asked to un-install it from friends computer. It turned out that the only way to completely un-install it, was to completely erase the drive and re-install windows.
thanks for the tip for the revo unistaller
Hey Jay, glad to see you back. Hope you're feeling better
Thanks jay I was wanting to try out the whole back alley experience before I watched this video but now I’m having second thought’s
thank you. thank you. thank you for that ending analogy! 🙂
i was watching this one just waiting for you to mention something i already downloaded... i have that revo uninstaller up ready..
When a product is free, then you are the product...
Damn right
Not with Linux, GNU. But mostly, you're right.
@@9Lights tails os never fails hehe.... the feds of all countries hate it though! (heavily armored for privacy linux distro)
Not always true. There are programmers who build shit for utilitarian reasons. They love what they do, and give it away for free. Just look at the wide array of Linux builds.
Except F/OSS software.
It’s nice to hear you talking about online security. A lot of people done know about this and get scammed even smart people get scammed. My boyfriend actually works with people and teaches them how to be more secure online and he says a lot of the same things you did.
As a fellow computer nerd, give your boyfriend a high five or bro-fist for me. I do my best to educate people on the vulnerabilities and best practices when it comes to online safety, I feel it's extremely important for people to know in this day n age. Glad to know I'm not the only one looking out for those folks
I had one of those shopping extensions and most of the times it's suggestions were websites that actually had higher prices. Every once in a while it would have discount codes that worked.
Subbing just for the Jmmy joke. 😂👃🏼😂 Did your dad have the AOL alien disc invasion and the contact Mars for 20 min modem 🛸🤔
PUP-ware really needs to be talked about today. Remarkable how much crap that used to come with an app and the uninstaller was even a junk PUP that would install other crap while you removed an app.
Shame that the people that NEED this kind of info won't ever see it... Thanks for putting this out there! Cheers!
I’m saving it to send to people who DO need it. It’s excellent advice.
Microsoft Edge hidden feature?????
Unfortunately, that is so true.
Should be thought in school.