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Appreciate that!

Hopefully this data shows that it is actually quite good at gaming now too. My guess is that Intel wasn't planning to release it as early as they did but that their hand was forced by issues with Raptor Lake combined with the imminent release (at the time) of the 9000 series by AMD.

That's pretty funny but keep in mind that I also tuned and optimized the 9800X3D in this video. The reason I show step-by-step guides is to show just how easy it is to tweak these CPUs ... it may sound difficult but it really is quite easy, it just takes time.

Thanks, glad you liked it.

You should read some of my recent posts on performance issues with X870E motherboards, in particular the X870E Aorus Master, which is the reason I have been using my X670E Aorus Master. The last 3 bios updates from Gigabyte have not fixed the issue. Regardless of that, there should be no performance difference between the motherboards since they use the exact same chipset.

At DDR5-8000 on AM5 the memory controller is in 2:1 mode, which means that the UCLK runs at half the MCLK. If you then set your FCLK to 2000MHz you will have synchronized clocks, which results in a boost in performance. You should try watching my recent AM5 memory optimization video to see the performance benefit of DDR5-8000 in 2:1 mode over DDR5-6400 in 1:1 mode: th-cam.com/video/JuUhnQaGG_I/w-d-xo.html I only have a few simple rules for viewers that choose to comment on my channel: be respectful to others and don't spread misinformation.

@blackbirdpctech doesn't make sense why people find it hard to admit when their team has lost and make all these excuses to deny themselves the loss. No matter of how many microcodes Intel will release they will not beat ryzen 9800x3d in gaming. Keep ryzen at 6400MT/s with low latency at below 55 and will even competw with 14900K. 14900K will still beat the 3d but not the 285 will not even come close to ryzen

@@strelokscar2578 unless you work at Intel, AMD or Nvidia, then there are no teams ... you are a consumer that purchased a product ... having to create the concept of a team to help deal with data that you don't like doesn't make sense. A 9800X3D with DDR5-8000 is faster than the same 9800X3D with DDR5-6400 in most games ... not sure where you got the idea that it isn't, but it's wrong.

Good luck with that.

@ lol, why do you say that?

My guess is that Microsoft will start to nuke Windows 10 over time to make it increasingly difficult to stay on the OS.

Those people should just buy a console lol

The reason I provide step-by-step tweak guides is to show just how easy it is to extract max performance from your hardware. There is a misconception that this is difficult, it's not. Furthermore, the 9800X3D in this video was highly tuned and optimized as well, which is why the comparison is fair. Please don't assume that you know what others are thinking and/or are willing to do.

You are correct that DDR5-9000 will not work on most 4-dimm motherboards however DDR5-8000 will also not work on a large number of AM5 motherboards, so I think it's a somewhat balanced comparison from that perspective.

He was actually a really nice guy when I approached his team to do this for me.

If it's not for gaming then why did Intel specifically show 285K gaming performance (against the 14900K and 9950X) in their launch deck for the 200S series?

​​@blackbirdpctech they will always show that reguardless as sales tactic, the 14900k is still better gaming than the new Intel cpus. But very informative video

I didn’t say the 285K was good value, in fact I have a value chart in the video that shows the 9800X3D offering significantly better value. The good thing with videos is that it’s tough to argue against something that you can watch.

Agreed, I plan to do a comparison of the 285K against the 9950X and 14900K after the next firmware update is released. I chose the 9800X3D for this comparison because I was interested to see what Intel’s best chip could do.

The Unify … it’s a 2-dimm motherboard specifically designed for overclocking.

@@blackbirdpctech Thanks. Do you know how it compares to the ASRock Z890 Taichi OCF or Asus Maximus Apex? I'm seeing alot of overclockers using them on forums.

@@Tubezilla I have a Z890 Apex and I used an Apex Encore for Z790 ... I haven't tried the Taichi, but they should all be pretty close wrt memory OC'ing, given that Arrow Lake has such a good memory controller.

@@blackbirdpctech One last question, I promise Which board gives you best FPS, Ace or Apex?

@@Tubezilla 2-dimm motherboards will always give you a better chance of getting higher speed memory stable. But if you ignore memory then there really isn't a big difference between these higher-end boards in terms of FPS ... it's your CPU and GPU that will have the largest impact.

Agreed, it will be interesting to see if Intel releases binned versions of these chips, such as a 290K … but they have to adjust their pricing before they do that.

As expensive as the 9950X from AMD, which is its direct competitor from a desktop user perspective. It’s an expensive very capable Intel CPU.

I ran the built-in benchmark without any mods … can you tell me more about the config file update required?

@@blackbirdpctech th-cam.com/video/vUokFhHUZoA/w-d-xo.html this video does a pretty good job of explaining it, do skip over every other tweak though, not required. just wondering whether render worker count has any effect on the new arrow lake cpus

Thanks, will check it out.

Which 4k 32” oled did you select?

@@blackbirdpctech im looking at the AORUS FO32U2 Pro with DP 2.1. im waiting for it to go on sale though because $1200 is not sitting right with me..

@@rozzbourn3653 I seriously considered that monitor after seeing it at CES last year (the picture quality is amazing) ... if the new GPUs use DP2.1 then it will be a great option. I ended up going for the Asus (OLED) and LG (WOLED) options because I wasn't using a GPU with DP2.1.

I’m planning on re-testing the 265K after all of the new fixes are released in mid January … I’m very curious to see just how much extra performance I can extract from it.

@@blackbirdpctech Really hoping Intel redeems themselves with these chips but so far I’m happy and impressed. 20 cores is amazing haha

What is your gpu budget?

Around 1000 Eur In my country that menas 7900xtx 4080 is over on 1150 4070ti super is 850e just like 7900xt 2k 1440p gaming

Can you wait? The new AMD card will be out soon. If not then get the 7900XTX.

@@blackbirdpctech I can wait i have one good pc but need two

I don’t think now is a good time to buy given the announcements expected at CES next week … I would make a decision next week.

Glad you liked it!

You are very welcome ... let me know how much you are able to improve your performance.

I quite literally stated those exact points in the video, which is evidenced by me actually saying it in the video. Furthermore, what exactly is biased? Here is the final part of my recommendation: "With that said, these results do offer up some interesting choices. On the one hand, if you are building a new gaming focused system and you want the very best, then based on these results, I would recommend buying a 9800X3D, if you can find it. It’s a truly amazing chip that offers outstanding performance at an equally great price. However, if you do a lot of professional workloads in addition to gaming, and you believe that Intel will indeed improve gaming performance with their next firmware update, then the 285K might be an attractive option. It will unfortunately cost you more, and availability of the 285K is not much better than the 9800X3D, but it might finally offer Intel fans a compelling reason to upgrade. I was actually quite impressed with how competitive the 285K was in these tests, the only thing really letting it down is the price, which is something Intel CAN do something about. Hopefully Intel can come through with their new firmware update in January because as things currently stand, AMD is dominating PC gaming." The 0x114 microcode update was released early and there are numerous reports that the performance actually dropped ... I will need to check when I get back from CES but if true, would be extremely disappointing.

A couple of things: 1. The final tweaks for the 285K do not include any voltage modifications. 2. The 9800X3D in these tests is highly tuned and optimized, as explained and detailed in the video.

@@DavidAlfredoGuisado that's not true at all ... did you see the tweaks that I made to the 9800X3D? The tweaks for the 9800X3D resulted in an 8.3% increase in Cinebench score whereas the tweaks for the 285K resulted in an increase of 7.8%, which is similar but less than the 9800X3D. Furthermore, the -30 CO undervolt that I applied is heavily silicon dependent, as is the max CPU boost clock and ability to run DDR5-8000 stable.

Glad you liked it!

I would agree, I think it's just priced too high ... hopefully Intel will address that soon.

@@blackbirdpctech yes. imagine if they lower it by 120-130$. Would be best seller in 15 days.

@@Camhampton55 that's what you choose to post? Classy man. It's a CPU, just chill.

In this case, unlike the 9700X which was poorly configured at a hardware level by AMD, I think the day one reviews were mostly correct ... it appears that Intel needed more time before launching these new CPUs. My guess is that the marketing geniuses at Intel forced the Engineering team to launch early. Unfortunately a lot of reputational damage was done with those early reviews and it's going to be tough to change the minds of the broader tech community. I'm hopeful that data like this will help.

​@@blackbirdpctech well that and their issues with 13/14 gen didn't help public trust. Two RMAs in on my 13900KS and second one is after bios updates

The tweaks that I made to both chips are relatively simple ... you certainly don't need a degree to perform them. I agree that X3D chips are a much better out-of-the-box experience however I would definitely encourage you to make some basic tweaks, like undervolting. Simply turning PBO on doesn't really do much.

The CPU or my channel?

@ both, great info and hats off to you. Tech channel done right.

Thanks!

Glad you liked it!

Yes, unfortunately you will need a new LGA1851 motherboard.

@@blackbirdpctech okay thanks

That is, why intel is not a good choice... verybody said it. ;) Am5 is a lot better plattform. ;)

It's shocking to me that they haven't dropped the price already ... they really could make this a compelling option with an aggressive price cut. Happy New Year!

@@blackbirdpctech the 265k would tempt me at £300 but not £380

That is the choice I would make too … hopefully Intel drops the price of the CPU to be more competitive

In terms of gaming performance it’s pretty hard to beat a gaming CPU like X3D. The x3d really saved AMD from a lot of headaches with gamers community and I am really happy they managed to do this.

Agreed.

Glad you liked it!

You are very welcome!

Yes, they are available from Newegg and Corsair however the higher speed kits (>8800) keep going out-of-stock as soon as Newegg updates them, so demand is greater than supply at the moment.

Unfortunately in Europe we don't have newegg :(

@@miraveilyt you should be able to find them wherever G.Skill RAM is sold.

What part of it is BS? The 9800X3D didn’t win by enough based on your thoughts? It's obvious that you didn't watch the video ... before commenting why not actually watch the content that you are calling BS.

Says the fanboy lol

Glad you like them!

I assume that you must be new to my channel (which is not an issue of course) … you can take a look at some of my recent content on the 9800X3D and AM5 memory optimization to get a better understanding of the AMD platform and why I chose the components I did. The AM5 platform is quite different from Intel platforms and does not scale linearly with memory speed.

@@blackbirdpctech I do understand that they don't scale linearly. But it's not rocket science that most of your viewers on new videos have not watched pre-existing explanations to key parts of the video.

I can understand that it would be easier for you if all of the relevant content was contained in one video however it's important to keep the length of the video down, and given that this video is focused on the 285K, and is nearly 30min in length, I decided to not repeat information contained in my recent 9800X3D and AM5 memory videos. What part of my AMD build do you consider to be "standard" and how do you think the performance could be improved with different components? I used DDR5-8000 and I lowered the timings. I undervolted with a -30 all core CO. I overclocked the CPU by 200 MHz. I don't think you truly appreciate just how highly tuned and optimized this 9800X3D is ... it's not something most 9800X3D owners would be able to achieve.

Yes, I think a comparison against the 9950X and 14900K would be good to see.

The cost of the entire platform is definitely an issue for Intel … at least they are fixing the performance.

​@@blackbirdpctech The biggest problem is lack of future support, why would anyone buy into LGA1851? When AM5 will still get another generation

@@yr6sport418 idk bro I willing to trade my 9800x3d for a 285k with cash difference so far no impressed with CPU I don’t games a 1080p I feel more dip in mmorpg than my old 13900k the avg is higher but the 1% drop really low in bdo and troné and liberty even in lost ark when there plenty of monster on screen running on x870e hero gskill 6000 cl30

@@adi6293Intel always supported 2 or 3 generation

If 1851 is only one gen then I agree

I would choose a 9950X too, but yes it really surprised me.

Did you watch the video? The 285K performed much better than I thought it would based on the reviews I had seen, so it looks like the recent microcode updates helped.

I recommend watching the video.

Wrong. Arrow Lake is a pretty power efficient CPU that is particularly great for productivity and has reasonable gaming performance too.

Empirical evidence are saying otherwise, they work great even without the next microcode. These are really good CPUs with an advances architecture, and the latest TSMC tech.

@@blackbirdpctech Yes i did, and the microcode gives gains and losses which also confirms its unpredictability and hence why i wouldn't recommend anyone purchase one.