***Leaving this pinned comment from the developer as it contains helpful information pertaining to hardware monitoring & polling.*** Each sensor requires some CPU time to be read, some are extremely fast and eat just a few microseconds of CPU time per polling iteration (mostly on-die ones like CPU temperatures or GPU temperatures), some are slower and require accessing external chip via slower I2C protocol (e.g. power sensor on GPUs), such sensors may require a few milliseconds of CPU time per polling iteration. Some sensors are not intended (and not tuned by hardware vendor) for realtime high perforomance monitoring at all (e.g. SMART temperature attribute or any other SMART attribute in general), such sensors may eat a few dozens millisecond per polling iteration. Total polling time for all sensors you enable and polling time to polling period ratio is the key factor defining performance hit, for example if total polling time is approximately 50 milliseconds and you poll sensors once per second (i.e. each 1000 milliseconds), it means that monitoring eats roughly 5% on one CPU core. MSI AB monitoring module contain status bar (accessible via context menu), which is showing you all you need to configure it properly: total sensors count, total polling time and polling period. Additionally, there is a performance profiler panel, which is displaying sorted diagram of per-sensor polling times, allowing you to identify the main performance offender (or the slowest sensor) if necessary. HwInfo also provides similar monitoring performance profiling features.
A few more useful comments in addition to that: - Both monitoring status bar and performance profiler panel mentioned above can be enabled in MSI AB via right clicking monitoring window area and selecting options in context menu. Sorted diagram of per-sensor polling times will be visible on the left part of monitoring window, status bar with additional performance profiling related info will be displayed on top of monitoring window. The slowest sensor in this case is always on top inside profiler panel, so you easily see what to disable first, if you're troubleshooting such issues. - Performance profiler in HwInfo can be enabled by ticking "Profiling time" in sensor's settings window. In this case you'll see polling time displayed in a separate column next to each sensor. You'll need to find the sensor taking maximum profiling time manually by examining all of them. - In both cases, after enabling profiling tools mentioned above you may observe that "Power %" sensor (but not absolute GPU power in Watts) is almost always the slowest sensor on modern NV graphics cards, polling it normally eats approximately 15-20 milliseconds (in best case) and can peak up to 50 ms on some platforms. The rest GPU sensors are much, much, much more efficient on NV hardware. Normally "Power %" sensor is #1 candidate for troubleshooting such performance issues, but that's not guaranteed to be that slow on every system and that's not guaranteed to magically resolve all kinds of issues which stuttering after disabling it too, every single enabled sensor adds its on contribution to stuttering so each system needs to be profiled individually. Also "Power %" sensor access implementation is hidden inside NVIDIA driver, so that's not something that can be expected to be improved in any form inside monitoring tools and performance hit associated with polling that sensor is equal for any application accessing it.
- Also, if you try to peek inside performance profiler on AMD GPUs and compare it to NV, don't get confused after seeing non-zero polling time just for one GPU sensor and close to zero times for the rest GPU related sensors. That's a result of batching access for all sensors at once into single AMD driver API call. So you see cumulative value for the first GPU sensor and the rest ones are just read from cache (so polling time is effectively zero). NVIDIA GPUs use different approach and poll sensors independently, but some of them are also grouped/batched (e.g. NVIDIA GPU core clock and memory clock sensors are read into single call, so it is also normal to see non-zero time for the first clock but close to zero (cached) time for the second one). Intel Arc GPUs use implementation similar to AMD's one, so all sensors are also batched and read into single call. So it is also normal to see a pattern when just one GPU sensor is non-zero and the rest are close to zero on such platform.
@@unwinder Thanks for giving some insight Unwinder! "Power percent" was constantly needing ~12 ms on my system. I did not notice the performance gains as shown in the video, still it is good to disable this sensor as it was not even in my OSD and I'd like my monitoring software to be as lightweight as possible Thanks for all the years you're developing and supporting MSI AB + RTSS. Have a great christmas!
I have r7 5700x and 2060s + 1050ti, and for my system main performance dips are from gpu core frequencies of 2060s (1050ti is only half as bad) and gpu power consumption in watts for both. Sometimes gpu tachometers also peak. I guess different gpu generations affect this a bit differently
It is individuals like you that go through the hell of chasing down an issue but then tell the rest of us about it, may the powers that be richly reward you.
This is why i'm so paranoid about everything and i literally turn off everything else while gaming. No monitoring, no browser, no nothing. Only discord running in the background. My games are always smooth.
It was actually the individual whose post this individual found who deserves to be thanked. We are all only talking about that first and only discoverer. This is yet another repeater of that original post. Go and thank the actual discoverer. Not the repeaters.
5800x3d with severely visible 1% and 0.1% dips in CSGO when contacting with an enemy that would get me easily killed, now completely gone! Thank you!!!
also r7 5800x3d here i honestly havent really seen or had issues but im about to also check this out and see if it changes anything i do use rivatuner all the time in games i like to see my stats
Please help me understand, you are playing a competitive multiplayer game and caring about the wattage your computer is using? Why would you even have that distraction on the screen
I stopped using Afterburner a while back because it causes stutter and latency problems in VR, particularly for the more exotic high resolution headsets. It's become fairly well known for that in VR circles.
I need to get out more. I was going mad why the 4090 wasn't perfect for a Reverb G2. Stutters every few seconds. Days and days later... New locked win11, No afterburner, rgb software
are you using something else to mess with he gpu settings like power limit & under volting? like in the bios or a different program or just running it default, or installing msi afterburner then set the settings and then disable msi afterburner from running?
@@anime-girlfriend I have a 4090, and I was finding that any tweaking wasn't making a meaningful difference anyway. So I haven't looked into alternatives and have just been running stock.
Dam bro you really went through it trying to find the root cause of the issue. I am glad you shared this information. I have had a great time with my 9800X3D on my Crosshair X670E Hero, but I think I will check and see If I get different 1% and 0.1% lows with GPU power monitoring disabled.
Had a feeling the issue was going to be afterburner. I've had the same issue with my 7800x3d and 9800x3d, I knew it was after burner because once I closed it the stuttering wasn't as bad lol. I'm surprised it's not more commonly known that this is an issue. I never knew it was the power monitoring causing the issue though so im glad i checked this out :D
Same here. Going from a RTX 3070 to a 7900 XT, I kept using Afterburner but something was wrong. Uninstalled it and the problem went away (can't remember the details). I learned to use Adrenalin and never went back to Afterburner.
@erikpatane89 no i don't have access to an intel cpu. It could be an amd problem but I'm not sure, I can't remember if my 5800x had the same issue or not. I notice closing it completely reduces stuttering and microstuttering in most games. I will be trying a different monitoring software tomorrow when I get the chance
i can hear the stress in your voice cracks LOL. Im the one who made that post on the msi forum! Troubleshooting this problem has been a complete nightmare and has soured me a bit with amd desktop cpus. My intel has worse performance but was rock solid out of the box. I didnt have any software installed and it would stutter so hard that audio would spazz out as well. Our problems were different in the end. But hey, its working now, as advertised. A lot happier
@@pkilljoy5797 My 13700K was pretty solid for the most part, but there has been the occasional game where the E cores caused performance issues. I wish Intel would offer gaming CPUs without any E cores. It feels wrong to buy a CPU and disable some of its cores.
i have/had never ever a problems with msi afterburner and riva tuner statistic server in terms of fps drops and stuttering on any game msi afterburner never made problems .
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just swapped from i9 13900KS to 9800X3D and I"ve had nothing but improved performance but I'm glad you posted this, I'll keep an eye out for these symptoms
@@Sams911 I switched from the 13700K to the 9800X3D. Games definitely feel a bit smoother and even Windows feels more snappy, but the difference isn't huge. The lower temp and power consumption are more noticeable.
Today I've replaced my 12700k with a 9800X3D. Although I play on ultrawide, I can definitely feel bump in the 1% lows, the CPU hungry games feel smoother. More importantly, AM5 will be supported until at least 2027 while LGA1700 is already dead and LGA1851 will likely reach EoL state before AM6 drops.
Bro I been having the same issue with my 7800x3d 4090 system. I run afterburner but never thought it could be the culprit. I went back to 23H2 and that fixed my crashing issue and now this my games are smooth again. Don’t have to turn off NVIDIA overlay or HAGS now thank you ❤
nice job! did it have a difference on the intel 14900k system? or maybe a core ultra based system? i only ask because almost every reviewer uses afterburner to show the data, and this could make a lot of that data inaccurate.
Does this problem also happen on a Asus system as well? Got the Asus ROG Strix X870-A motherboard. Not sure it's monitoring software will have the same issue.
I disabled all monitoring on Afterburner except for AVG FPS, 1% Low, and 0.1% Low, and I also closed down HWiNFO. This just fixed all stuttering in my games. I had this game where my 1% Lows are around 85 fps while full monitoring and HWiNFO are on, and the game is capped at 120 fps. Now my 0.1% Lows and 1% Lows are around 110 fps constantly. This is insane. Thank very much.
How did you managed to monitor the cpu 9800X3D clocks speed, temperature and power via msi afterbuner ? On my side, MSI Afterburner can not see the clock speed and temperature for 9800X3D
Wow this is probably the best YT video I’ve watched in a long time. I’ve been seriously questioning my sanity as everyone says the new Ryzen stuff is so good and my 7800x3d felt like crap. It was so bad I eventually sold the system. In fact the last couple Ryzen builds I did felt bad. I’ve always been an afterburner user and was debating switching back to intel. I’m going to try Ryzen one more time as I’m doing a new build as I’m pretty sure this was the issue!
Not sure what you tissue is. I've had both CPUs and they are amazing. I have no stutters and high performance. I think some people really don't understand how to set up an AMD system so it runs smooth. Also, for people with Win11, you need to disable core isolation.
This video was recommended to me totally randomly. Glad I checked it out with my 9800X3D getting here on Monday, so I know to be mindful of this issue. Thanks!
Suppose to turn off HPET in bios i think for this specifc reason. Anyway what are gamers using to monitor their stuff if we cant use afterburner or hwinfo?
I've always known that Afterburner monitoring causes stutters and should always be closed unless you're debugging something. Since this does not seem to be common knowledge, it's a good thing you've made a video about it to bring awareness to this issue.
This has been a MAJOR problem for both amd cpu’s and gpu’s in the scene for years. If the solution is as simple as uninstalling afterburner then that is absolutely incredible. I’m going to try and spread this potential fix on some other channels comment sections and see what they say.
As I'm benchmarking for a lot of videos myself I am 100% sure that there are ALOT of TH-camrs out there, that aren't using either Frametime graphs or 1% lows don't even know their systems are stuttering. I absolutely HATE it if people show benchmark footage without the Frametime Graph and/or 1% lows... 😖 Btw. thanks for the find and the explanation!
I would rather have "average low fps" included with this. That way when I see 1% of 0.1% matching average lows then you know you have problem. A few stutters isn't really a big problem, it's when it's an average rate. That it's BIG problem.
The ONLY benchmarks I trust are GN. They show their work and they test and retest and re-re-test. They take the time to get things correct when another Tuber just pumps out content and calls it "entertainment." Yeah, no.
Does GeForce experience power monitoring cause the same issue? I am having a similar issue with high average fps and low 1% lows like this video showed.
My mate sent me this video. 👌 I'm using a 7800X3D, 64GB DDR5-6000 CL30 and a RTX 4080. I've did some tests with the "Cyberpunk 2077"-Benchmark (a specific area inside the benchmark) and tracked the 1% Low, Low FPS, Avr FPS & Max FPS and compared both results with each other. One with Power Monitoring "on" and one with "off". The results were the same, +/- some measurement tolerances. So for me it doesn't matter at all. But i haven't recognized any issues with microstutters, ether. I just wanted to see, if i get better low fps or not. Anyway...thanks for the review. There might be some gamers, which have exactly your problem as well. 👍😉
I have 7800x3D and have these stutters in every game. I had afterburner at one point, and currently have NZXT Cam, Nvidia overlay enabled, xbox gamebar is probably monitoring something in the background as well. Would all of those incur the same issue?
Yes. I usually disable all the overlays available _(from game launchers, messengers, ect)_ as well as Windows' GameBar _(disabling it helps, but only halfway - so I usually manually remove it from the OS for good, when I'm installing Windows on a client's PC)._ A lot of filler inside the video driver itself can cause frametime and input lag issues as well. I usually remove it beforehand _(I use NVSlimmer for that, but keep NVCleanstall as well - just in case),_ and install the resulting "slimmed down" video driver afterwards. It became a good habit, so I do it even for client's PC's as well. =) Good thing about it is - all the GPU features _(RTX, CUDA, AI, PhysX, NVENC, Broadcast, ect)_ will *still* be working as usual - but instead none of the useless filler will be installed alongside it, no longer raising the driver overhead. There are a lot more frametime and input lag tweaks you can do, but at least start with these two.
Just swapped from a 3070 (that I was using with Afterburner) and had so many issues with my new 7900xt and the Adrenaline software untill I worked out that Adrenaline and afterbuner with RTSS do not play well together. Uninstalled afterburner and my hardware started to behave as expected, no more microstutter or driver crashes its been weeks since the driver crash message whereas before it was hourly or worse. I felt kinda stupid because it took me a day so its nice to hear others have the same blindspot for whats sort of obvious once you worked it out.
I just got my r7 7800x3d and I'm using MSI Afterburner on my old computer with I7 all the time. I'm glad your video just poped up in my recommendations. Thank you
i dont even know if framechasers is running auto, gear 1 or gear 2. when he says ddr5 6400 he dont specify what gear mode its on. for all we know he could be slashing performance running gear 2 6400. hes been known in the past for rigging benchmarks. he also never show his bios settings which is sus
Guy is very clear in his agenda, I bet he knows and doesn't care as it doesn't fit the narrative, keep in mind he sells tuned intel CPU kits (ram and MB I assume) to people with very deep pockets it would hurt his business to solve any dips on the other brand. He knows his stuff (to the limit of what I've seen) but his business is leveraging that to extract money from people with more $ than pc understanding which is VERY common in the PC space at least he keeps to selling to the over paid and isn't ripping off people with limited budgets. Its like selling NFTs to celebs funny enough that it gets a pass but would be bad if it was targeting normal people imo.
@@notwhatitwasbefore rich people getting ripped off is still bad. mr amdip framechasers bans critics on his discord if they complain about him. some of those critics even payed him to improve their PCs only for them to receive insults and a discord ban. hes got a cult following too. mostly impressionable foIks who believe whatever framechasers say. also hes selling overpriced ddr5 8000 kits. pretty much a scam as his kits dont work on most cpus and motherboards. if you buy it, and the xmp profile doesnt work he blames you. you cant refund, you cant RMA. these are just a few of the rumors ive heard of this character. theres many many more
@@notwhatitwasbefore he doesnt show his settings because he doesnt want no one stealing his settings and them being used by "PC Optimizers" whom been stealing his shit from his discord and also in previous videos at the start of his ytb carrer, he does max OC benchmarks everytime and tunes every platform he is comparing, dude is straightup just trying to make people not buy bad hardware and prevent fucking arround with computer regarding stutters and shit, in his most famous 7800X3D warzone DIP video, yeah that could have been because of some shit like afterburner or shit and i too on both of my X3D chips i owned (5800X3D, 7800X3D) experienced problems with msi afterburner BUT i also experienced AMDIPS without afterburner nearly everywhere (stock, tuned, undervolt whatever really) and the guy is perfectly right, you dont have to believe in what he says, buy hardware on your own and test it properly and see where the truth is :) me hadding 5800X3D and 7800X3D and now maining 14700K with tuned ram (high speed, low timings) I can now feel and experience what the guy has been talking about. Intel is just clearly faster in every day to day task and when tuned it just demolishes X3D in smootheness and mouse response and most importantly frametime stability. I fucked around and found out, lesson from this: dont believe everything said on the internet even if majority of people on it says so (compare it to believing 100% whats said in TV News just because every station shares the same information to make you asume its truth and 100% legit) also funny PS: the guy is now selling both AMD X3D bundles and Intel ones, IDK maybe he found a way how to tune X3D chips for you to have no dips, who knows, but calling him and intel shill who is trying to sell you Intel tuneup is just straighup disgusting, try to actually watch his content and not just viral clips and you will see this guy is about helping people to have no struggle with their computers and most of the internet just shits on him.
Something important to mention: This isnt the only problem that can occur. I had some small spikes in the frametime graph just about every second, it was consistent and it drove me crazy. I was changing the hardware polling period in the monitoring section and it changed. 100ms was a spike every 100ms, 2000ms and you had a spike every 2000ms. Closing afterburner didnt help, i think there was something in the background still active, i also have rivatuner but i was aware of all of that. I had that problem 2 years ago and forgot what the solution was. Im also not 100% sure but i think it was some Framerate setting that was the problem and caused a spike everytime the monitor pulled info at the time set. I reinstalled the whole thing and so far its gone. But i think without the frametime graph enabled ingame, you are lost, there is no way to find that small spikes. If someone has some sort of Problem, its always not a bad idea to enable a frametime graph ingame, but be aware that the program itself can cause problems
Hey, hope you’re doing great! I’ve been dealing with a really annoying issue with my PC build: 4090 ROG Strix, 7800X3D, X670E-E ROG, 32GB 6000MHz CL30, ASUS TUF 1000W PSU. The problem is screen flickering when the PC is idle (desktop or browsing). It works perfectly under heavy loads or gaming, temps are fine, but when idle, the screen flickers, and sometimes I lose signal entirely. (By the way its so random, some times is doesn’t happen for 2 days and the 3rd day goes crazy) I’ve sent the GPU for RMA 3 times, but they said they couldn’t replicate the issue so they sent back the gpu. I’ve tried different DP cables, different HDMI ,Different monitors, drivers, BIOS updates, frameware updates turning G-Sync off, lowering resolution or refresh rate, vsync, plugging to another DP port, new windows installations, updating windows, rolling back to windows 10-EVERYTHING! The only workaround is setting “Prefer Maximum Performance” in the Nvidia control panel, but that’s not ideal. Could this be a PSU issue? I read that the ASUS TUF is not the best PSU out there and jt might struggle with the 4090’s low power states. Any advice would be appreciated! I will give away $250 to anyone can fix my issue because I am losing my mind.
Have you tried to totally remove display drivers and reinstall? Or it might be your power socket problem .🤔 have checked your voltage from socket, I think it might be fluctuating.
Been thru that,100% psu,it took me almost 3 months to find,even sent over my monitor for rma..in my case,faulty modular pcie cable,however asus still sent me a brand new psu and cables,asus thor 1200w p2..do update me if u manage to solve it..and dont use any kind of the fancy cable extension..just plug the cable straight to the psu.
@ i have tried everything in software side, the power draw of gpu in idle drops to 4 wats and then the flickering starts I wonder if thats normal to drop that much
also another setting in Afterburner that can cause similar issues "Force Fan Speed update on each period" under Fan control settings. This drove me nuts for months until I un-ticked that.
Reading context help for options you're blindly enabling inside application helps, helps a _lot_. It says the following: Fan speed update period Displays and adjusts fan speed update period for user defined software automatic fan control mode. Hints: - User defined software automatic fan speed control is not absolutely free in terms of performance, some CPU time is required on each fan speed update iteration to read temperature from hardware and update fan speed if necessary. Depending on GPU and sensor model and hardware access protocols, software automatic fan control related performance hit can vary from virtually invisible to noticeable periodic performance hit causing an effect of stuttering in applications intensively using CPU, such as 3D games. If you are facing such effect while %PRODUCTNAME% is running, try to temporarily disable software automatic fan speed control to identify it as a problem source by unpressing the button. Then try to decrease CPU load by increasing fan speed update period. Experienced users can also show performance profiler status information in the monitoring window by right clicking it and selecting the command. Status information displays CPU usage times for different background processes including fan speed update. - You may disable user interface tooltips via tab in advanced properties.
Oh wow thank you for this tip. I hear about AMDip a lot but then others always say its overblown. Crazy that this isn't more well known. Makes me wonder what other reviewers are using then when posting frame charts
Love the content Danny, I think for 2024 you get my vote for best channel of the year in my book. The fact that you are also Canadian is a nice bonus since you always mention how Canadian customers get shafted because of the price of hardware.
it is sad when games this days actually have hardware to be played on buttery smooth, but there are so many layers of issues that you can't game smooth even with the best hardware on the market.
I had a horrible time with stutters in a couple games, but most notably Warhammer Darktide. I ended up having to disable multiple things in BIOS, Windows 11 settings and nVidia settings to get smooth feeling gameplay, even if the average frame rate was lower it looked and played so much smoother. idk why all this rubbish comes enabled by default when it more likely than not just inflates the fps without providing any tangible benefit.
Thanks for figuring this out for us. In January I plan to buy a 9900X3D. Now I know what I have to test/change when getting my new Comouterparts when the new CPU is released.
Oh hell. I didn't expect Afterburner to screw up that bad. But I'm also not that surprised as I know polling software can take a bit of resources to run, so I had mine showing the bare minimum metrics and at over 2.5 seconds of polling rate, which is good enough for personal use. Great video, thanks for the heads up!
Interesting, is this exclusive to AMD? I have a keyboard shortcut to show/hide the monitoring overlay and I noticed it causes a slight micro-stutter when switching on the overlay. Also there's a very small bit of input lag added when the overlay is on.
It's all crap.. My new 7600x3d with 7900 XT, clean new windows install running +500 fps in CS2 and the game still laggy, feels like 400ms, sprays are weird, random headshots when not even aiming on target, dying behind walls and corners probably because game is not synced with other players. Wasted 2000 dollars in hopes my CS2 would be as smooth as CSGO, but my conclusion is that hardware and software now days are so full of bugs and game optimization as well, and probably deliberately because it means old hardware becomes useless and forces pc users to upgrade hardware which increases profits within the hardware industry.
I think it's the lag in your internet connection, especially if you're connected by wireless. Best is cable straight into the router, and hopefully a very low lag on the internet.
Weird my version of MSI has different or not as many options as yours. I see stuff like GPU1 and GPU2 power also power percent. I see CPU power also but no option that is power only?
Dude, you are a f'in lifesaver. I'm running a 7800x3d with a rx7900 xtx on f'in Arch Linux and was having the same exact issue! I disabled power monitoring on GPU and CPU in MangoHud (much nicer open-source app similar to clunky assed afterburner) and viola! Problem solved! Holy shit before this I had uninstalled and reinstalled linux3 times, went hardcore and totally redid the entire cooling solution in my case, even remounted my GPU from a vertical to horizontal mount thinking maybe it was a weird temp throttling issue. NONE of that helped. But your solution instantly led to buttery smooth FPS with no stutter! Awesome job dude, thanks and subbed!
Are you using afterburner with rivatuner for your monitoring / overlay? Last I checked, afterburner did not support 9000 series yet but it looks like it works for you. I have been using Hwinfo64 for my monitoring software with RTSS... Thanks. And appreciate the video, really good to know if I have stuttering issues, these are notoriously hard to track down.
I do have a similar issue, but on my 13700k. I don’t have Afterburner installed. You know any other tools that could cause the same monitoring issues? Thx for your efforts 🥰
could amd adrenaline's own monitoring cause any problems? I've been experiencing this same exact issue this year on and off on my 7900XTX. It has been driving me absolutely insane.
curious if this is also a 24H2 specific issue because I recently installed 24H2 fresh and noticed a lot of games just ran worse with some games having periodic crashes (namely POE2) and after reinstalling 23H2 all issues went away. I'de love to see if the same rig but on 23H2 exhibits this specific issue Also if you look at the frame graph spikes, it perfectly lines up with when the GPU power updates its period to a new value in that plague tale requiem
***Leaving this pinned comment from the developer as it contains helpful information pertaining to hardware monitoring & polling.***
Each sensor requires some CPU time to be read, some are extremely fast and eat just a few microseconds of CPU time per polling iteration (mostly on-die ones like CPU temperatures or GPU temperatures), some are slower and require accessing external chip via slower I2C protocol (e.g. power sensor on GPUs), such sensors may require a few milliseconds of CPU time per polling iteration. Some sensors are not intended (and not tuned by hardware vendor) for realtime high perforomance monitoring at all (e.g. SMART temperature attribute or any other SMART attribute in general), such sensors may eat a few dozens millisecond per polling iteration. Total polling time for all sensors you enable and polling time to polling period ratio is the key factor defining performance hit, for example if total polling time is approximately 50 milliseconds and you poll sensors once per second (i.e. each 1000 milliseconds), it means that monitoring eats roughly 5% on one CPU core.
MSI AB monitoring module contain status bar (accessible via context menu), which is showing you all you need to configure it properly: total sensors count, total polling time and polling period. Additionally, there is a performance profiler panel, which is displaying sorted diagram of per-sensor polling times, allowing you to identify the main performance offender (or the slowest sensor) if necessary. HwInfo also provides similar monitoring performance profiling features.
A few more useful comments in addition to that:
- Both monitoring status bar and performance profiler panel mentioned above can be enabled in MSI AB via right clicking monitoring window area and selecting options in context menu. Sorted diagram of per-sensor polling times will be visible on the left part of monitoring window, status bar with additional performance profiling related info will be displayed on top of monitoring window. The slowest sensor in this case is always on top inside profiler panel, so you easily see what to disable first, if you're troubleshooting such issues.
- Performance profiler in HwInfo can be enabled by ticking "Profiling time" in sensor's settings window. In this case you'll see polling time displayed in a separate column next to each sensor. You'll need to find the sensor taking maximum profiling time manually by examining all of them.
- In both cases, after enabling profiling tools mentioned above you may observe that "Power %" sensor (but not absolute GPU power in Watts) is almost always the slowest sensor on modern NV graphics cards, polling it normally eats approximately 15-20 milliseconds (in best case) and can peak up to 50 ms on some platforms. The rest GPU sensors are much, much, much more efficient on NV hardware. Normally "Power %" sensor is #1 candidate for troubleshooting such performance issues, but that's not guaranteed to be that slow on every system and that's not guaranteed to magically resolve all kinds of issues which stuttering after disabling it too, every single enabled sensor adds its on contribution to stuttering so each system needs to be profiled individually. Also "Power %" sensor access implementation is hidden inside NVIDIA driver, so that's not something that can be expected to be improved in any form inside monitoring tools and performance hit associated with polling that sensor is equal for any application accessing it.
- Also, if you try to peek inside performance profiler on AMD GPUs and compare it to NV, don't get confused after seeing non-zero polling time just for one GPU sensor and close to zero times for the rest GPU related sensors. That's a result of batching access for all sensors at once into single AMD driver API call. So you see cumulative value for the first GPU sensor and the rest ones are just read from cache (so polling time is effectively zero). NVIDIA GPUs use different approach and poll sensors independently, but some of them are also grouped/batched (e.g. NVIDIA GPU core clock and memory clock sensors are read into single call, so it is also normal to see non-zero time for the first clock but close to zero (cached) time for the second one). Intel Arc GPUs use implementation similar to AMD's one, so all sensors are also batched and read into single call. So it is also normal to see a pattern when just one GPU sensor is non-zero and the rest are close to zero on such platform.
@@unwinder Thanks for giving some insight Unwinder! "Power percent" was constantly needing ~12 ms on my system. I did not notice the performance gains as shown in the video, still it is good to disable this sensor as it was not even in my OSD and I'd like my monitoring software to be as lightweight as possible
Thanks for all the years you're developing and supporting MSI AB + RTSS. Have a great christmas!
I have r7 5700x and 2060s + 1050ti, and for my system main performance dips are from gpu core frequencies of 2060s (1050ti is only half as bad) and gpu power consumption in watts for both. Sometimes gpu tachometers also peak. I guess different gpu generations affect this a bit differently
Based unwinder, will you add support for amd 9000 series in the future? Currently using aida to get cpu temps! Thanks for your work
It is individuals like you that go through the hell of chasing down an issue but then tell the rest of us about it, may the powers that be richly reward you.
Lmao, final boss of "I fixed it".
This is why i'm so paranoid about everything and i literally turn off everything else while gaming. No monitoring, no browser, no nothing. Only discord running in the background. My games are always smooth.
It was actually the individual whose post this individual found who deserves to be thanked. We are all only talking about that first and only discoverer. This is yet another repeater of that original post. Go and thank the actual discoverer. Not the repeaters.
@@Manakuski oh don't let me start talking about discord...
Software issues are like bad memories
they never truly disappear :D
Man, That's wild. 6 year old forum post fixing the problem.
Crazy that there is no good alternative for MSI afterburner after all the years. It is still so clonky to handle and eating resources.
@@NBWDOUGHBOY again *
Classic on Linux tbh, a lot of posts from 2011 saved me, lol. At least there is mangohud on Linux
@ sudo "delete everything without any further questions" 👌🫠
@@schonsospaet22 there is razer cortex monitoring aswell I think
You have no idea how happy I am to have found this video.
5800x3d with severely visible 1% and 0.1% dips in CSGO when contacting with an enemy that would get me easily killed, now completely gone! Thank you!!!
also r7 5800x3d here i honestly havent really seen or had issues but im about to also check this out and see if it changes anything i do use rivatuner all the time in games i like to see my stats
Must try that
any results??? I have several stuttering in Delta Force and Apex Legends
@@diegodeath88Well, it may be placebo but I do think it's smoother now
Please help me understand, you are playing a competitive multiplayer game and caring about the wattage your computer is using? Why would you even have that distraction on the screen
I've been having this micro-stuttering issue for as long as I can remember, and this absolutely fixed it!
I've had my games stutter for literal years, some worse than others, and this actually fixed it. I can't believe it. Thank you!
I stopped using Afterburner a while back because it causes stutter and latency problems in VR, particularly for the more exotic high resolution headsets. It's become fairly well known for that in VR circles.
I need to get out more. I was going mad why the 4090 wasn't perfect for a Reverb G2. Stutters every few seconds.
Days and days later... New locked win11, No afterburner, rgb software
Interesting!
Are you using any alternatives?
are you using something else to mess with he gpu settings like power limit & under volting? like in the bios or a different program or just running it default, or installing msi afterburner then set the settings and then disable msi afterburner from running?
@@anime-girlfriend I have a 4090, and I was finding that any tweaking wasn't making a meaningful difference anyway. So I haven't looked into alternatives and have just been running stock.
Dam bro you really went through it trying to find the root cause of the issue. I am glad you shared this information. I have had a great time with my 9800X3D on my Crosshair X670E Hero, but I think I will check and see If I get different 1% and 0.1% lows with GPU power monitoring disabled.
ya definitely worth checking out. It seems to be hit or miss or certain combination of hardware seems to trigger it.
Had a feeling the issue was going to be afterburner. I've had the same issue with my 7800x3d and 9800x3d, I knew it was after burner because once I closed it the stuttering wasn't as bad lol. I'm surprised it's not more commonly known that this is an issue.
I never knew it was the power monitoring causing the issue though so im glad i checked this out :D
Same here. Going from a RTX 3070 to a 7900 XT, I kept using Afterburner but something was wrong. Uninstalled it and the problem went away (can't remember the details). I learned to use Adrenalin and never went back to Afterburner.
you try with an intel cpu if is the same ?
@erikpatane89 no i don't have access to an intel cpu. It could be an amd problem but I'm not sure, I can't remember if my 5800x had the same issue or not. I notice closing it completely reduces stuttering and microstuttering in most games. I will be trying a different monitoring software tomorrow when I get the chance
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime you probably save time try to test on intel
Will it be eliminated in their next CPUs?
i can hear the stress in your voice cracks LOL. Im the one who made that post on the msi forum! Troubleshooting this problem has been a complete nightmare and has soured me a bit with amd desktop cpus. My intel has worse performance but was rock solid out of the box. I didnt have any software installed and it would stutter so hard that audio would spazz out as well. Our problems were different in the end.
But hey, its working now, as advertised. A lot happier
@@pkilljoy5797 My 13700K was pretty solid for the most part, but there has been the occasional game where the E cores caused performance issues. I wish Intel would offer gaming CPUs without any E cores. It feels wrong to buy a CPU and disable some of its cores.
@@User-ys7cbIntel has a 14th gen SKU that is just 8 P cores.
This new format is more honest and reliable.
broooo, i needed this. pretty sure everyone running msi afterburner needs to know this.
i have/had never ever a problems with msi afterburner and riva tuner statistic server in terms of fps drops and stuttering on any game msi afterburner never made problems .
@ be thankful.
@@DarkSoul45456 yep same been using it for years never had a problem 9800x3d strix 4080 super.
We got DannyzReviews face reveal before RTX 50-Series, RX 9000 Series... and also GTA 6
have you seen Anything ... anything at all about a game called GTA 6 ,
a poster , a trailer , a game clip leaked by an employee , ... anything at all ?
there won't BE a GTA 6 , it's been way to long now , you know that was 11 years ago , right >>> GTA V
11 years ... , there ain't no other one comin
you mean RX 9070
RX 9000
And SIlksong
Can also be caused by high polling rate mouse settings
This actually completely saved me lord i was having bad stuttering thanks for this comment.
wireless or does it also happen on a wired mouse?
@@anime-girlfriend happened to me on wireless
How high polling? 1kHz? 4kHz? 8kHz?
@@johnnysammour changed from 8k to 4k and that fixed but 1k felt smoother
just swapped from i9 13900KS to 9800X3D and I"ve had nothing but improved performance but I'm glad you posted this, I'll keep an eye out for these symptoms
Question, what made you upgrade form you 13900ks? to a 9800x3d?
@ I’m a “min / max” type of guy and typically upgrade every two generations.. sometimes one. Soon as the 5090 is available I’m on it.
@@Sams911 I switched from the 13700K to the 9800X3D. Games definitely feel a bit smoother and even Windows feels more snappy, but the difference isn't huge. The lower temp and power consumption are more noticeable.
Today I've replaced my 12700k with a 9800X3D. Although I play on ultrawide, I can definitely feel bump in the 1% lows, the CPU hungry games feel smoother. More importantly, AM5 will be supported until at least 2027 while LGA1700 is already dead and LGA1851 will likely reach EoL state before AM6 drops.
@@Sams911same here brother. Currently on a 3090ti founders. Just waiting for the 5090
Bro I been having the same issue with my 7800x3d 4090 system. I run afterburner but never thought it could be the culprit. I went back to 23H2 and that fixed my crashing issue and now this my games are smooth again. Don’t have to turn off NVIDIA overlay or HAGS now thank you ❤
nice job! did it have a difference on the intel 14900k system? or maybe a core ultra based system? i only ask because almost every reviewer uses afterburner to show the data, and this could make a lot of that data inaccurate.
Thanks for sharing this problem, its cause and its solution.
I also really like that you show a comparison of before and after.
Keep up the good work!
Does this problem also happen on a Asus system as well? Got the Asus ROG Strix X870-A motherboard.
Not sure it's monitoring software will have the same issue.
I disabled all monitoring on Afterburner except for AVG FPS, 1% Low, and 0.1% Low, and I also closed down HWiNFO. This just fixed all stuttering in my games. I had this game where my 1% Lows are around 85 fps while full monitoring and HWiNFO are on, and the game is capped at 120 fps. Now my 0.1% Lows and 1% Lows are around 110 fps constantly. This is insane. Thank very much.
Why would you be monitoring frame rates while playing in the first place?
@Tugela60 I got a new PC for a month now, and I was doing all kinds of tweaks. I needed to monitor my system. But now I will have them off.
I just can't show these fps options. What do I have to do? The only one I can see is the current fps, and nothing else.
@@Tugela60 Why should monitoring it affect anything in the first place? That's one of the stupidest excuses for a problem I've ever heard
@@Tugela60 To monitor it during performance and settings tests ..?
GPU miners have known this since forever. Having GPU-Z monitoring generally hit hashrate slightly with a few percent.
Very interesting!
is there a guide to optimizing hashrate? I wonder how many of those tips would carry over to better game performance.
How did you managed to monitor the cpu 9800X3D clocks speed, temperature and power via msi afterbuner ?
On my side, MSI Afterburner can not see the clock speed and temperature for 9800X3D
Same, it was fine for my old intel 13600 but 9800x3d only shows % usage
CapFrameX dudes. Is heaps better and more customisable, but most importantly, shows AMD temps etc
One question: If afterburner is running in the background but one does not use the overlay is the problem still there?
Wow this is probably the best YT video I’ve watched in a long time. I’ve been seriously questioning my sanity as everyone says the new Ryzen stuff is so good and my 7800x3d felt like crap. It was so bad I eventually sold the system. In fact the last couple Ryzen builds I did felt bad. I’ve always been an afterburner user and was debating switching back to intel. I’m going to try Ryzen one more time as I’m doing a new build as I’m pretty sure this was the issue!
They both have always had different flaws.
Not sure what you tissue is. I've had both CPUs and they are amazing. I have no stutters and high performance. I think some people really don't understand how to set up an AMD system so it runs smooth. Also, for people with Win11, you need to disable core isolation.
@@chrisking6695 guess you didn’t watch the video or read properly
So what software can we use to see our data with fps?
Thanks Danny. This issue I have as well. Love your channel. I don't post much but been here awhile. Good to put a face with you in your videos now.
Did you fix this problem?
@@adikonadam1974 It did. I didn't have as bad 1% lows like Danny, but turning off both power monitoring settings in Afterburner did improve it.
This video was recommended to me totally randomly. Glad I checked it out with my 9800X3D getting here on Monday, so I know to be mindful of this issue. Thanks!
This is why a good step to start troubleshooting is disabling all startup programs
Nice tip. Will keep this in mind.
that was not the face to voice combo i expected but hey i like surprises lol
You should test RTSS without Afterburner. Your overlay can be run without having Afterburner installed. RTSS is what creates the overlay.
True i do it that way ^^
Thanks
Suppose to turn off HPET in bios i think for this specifc reason. Anyway what are gamers using to monitor their stuff if we cant use afterburner or hwinfo?
I've always known that Afterburner monitoring causes stutters and should always be closed unless you're debugging something. Since this does not seem to be common knowledge, it's a good thing you've made a video about it to bring awareness to this issue.
Let's be clear, it's this specifc Power monitor setting that seems to cause this issue, not the entirety of the app.
@Taldirok You're right. I just personally minimize the amount of running background apps to reduce any potential stutters.
i have other power monitoring apps like L3 connect from lian li. do you think its something i should change to? not sure if i can though
This has been a MAJOR problem for both amd cpu’s and gpu’s in the scene for years. If the solution is as simple as uninstalling afterburner then that is absolutely incredible. I’m going to try and spread this potential fix on some other channels comment sections and see what they say.
Homie, thank you for wading through the troubleshooting and posting your process. Glad you got it solved in the end.
FACE REVEAL YOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah😂.. its cool to put a face to the videos
I thought he was white )
@@level80888 I thought He was Purple
@@Decki777 embarassing anyway
Forced to show face for free GPUs! GPUs gone wild!!!
So if I don't have MSI, I'm guessing I shouldn't need to worry about this. Have you tested any other products?
Sounds like anything that gets Nvidia power % might be the same
As I'm benchmarking for a lot of videos myself I am 100% sure that there are ALOT of TH-camrs out there, that aren't using either Frametime graphs or 1% lows don't even know their systems are stuttering.
I absolutely HATE it if people show benchmark footage without the Frametime Graph and/or 1% lows... 😖
Btw. thanks for the find and the explanation!
I would rather have "average low fps" included with this. That way when I see 1% of 0.1% matching average lows then you know you have problem. A few stutters isn't really a big problem, it's when it's an average rate. That it's BIG problem.
The ONLY benchmarks I trust are GN. They show their work and they test and retest and re-re-test. They take the time to get things correct when another Tuber just pumps out content and calls it "entertainment." Yeah, no.
@@lexwaldez lol entertainment more like trolling for clickbait, or just HUB in general lately.
Will you have this problem if you have never used or installed afterburner?
If you are monitoring GPU power percent with other software then You might yes
Building PCs in a nutshell….
Timestamp 2:20
“But instead all that time got wasted because I came across a really weird issue”
Does GeForce experience power monitoring cause the same issue? I am having a similar issue with high average fps and low 1% lows like this video showed.
Brother, this was driving me crazy. You just got a new sub.
You had the same issue?
I have this issue with my 5800x I'm interested in seeing if anything you come up with works for me
Iv been trying to fix this for a while and now I think its throttling. I'm only assuming. But undervolting has helped a bit.
My mate sent me this video. 👌 I'm using a 7800X3D, 64GB DDR5-6000 CL30 and a RTX 4080. I've did some tests with the "Cyberpunk 2077"-Benchmark (a specific area inside the benchmark) and tracked the 1% Low, Low FPS, Avr FPS & Max FPS and compared both results with each other. One with Power Monitoring "on" and one with "off". The results were the same, +/- some measurement tolerances. So for me it doesn't matter at all. But i haven't recognized any issues with microstutters, ether. I just wanted to see, if i get better low fps or not. Anyway...thanks for the review. There might be some gamers, which have exactly your problem as well. 👍😉
I have 7800x3D and have these stutters in every game. I had afterburner at one point, and currently have NZXT Cam, Nvidia overlay enabled, xbox gamebar is probably monitoring something in the background as well. Would all of those incur the same issue?
Yes.
I usually disable all the overlays available _(from game launchers, messengers, ect)_ as well as Windows' GameBar _(disabling it helps, but only halfway - so I usually manually remove it from the OS for good, when I'm installing Windows on a client's PC)._
A lot of filler inside the video driver itself can cause frametime and input lag issues as well.
I usually remove it beforehand _(I use NVSlimmer for that, but keep NVCleanstall as well - just in case),_ and install the resulting "slimmed down" video driver afterwards. It became a good habit, so I do it even for client's PC's as well. =)
Good thing about it is - all the GPU features _(RTX, CUDA, AI, PhysX, NVENC, Broadcast, ect)_ will *still* be working as usual - but instead none of the useless filler will be installed alongside it, no longer raising the driver overhead.
There are a lot more frametime and input lag tweaks you can do, but at least start with these two.
Nice find, I have a weird fascination with weird software / hardware issues like these, it's a love-hate thing :D
Does this apply to Nvidia's overlay too?
Just swapped from a 3070 (that I was using with Afterburner) and had so many issues with my new 7900xt and the Adrenaline software untill I worked out that Adrenaline and afterbuner with RTSS do not play well together. Uninstalled afterburner and my hardware started to behave as expected, no more microstutter or driver crashes its been weeks since the driver crash message whereas before it was hourly or worse. I felt kinda stupid because it took me a day so its nice to hear others have the same blindspot for whats sort of obvious once you worked it out.
AMD's solution is to inject into the game similar to how Afterburner works while NVIDIA utilizes DWM.
I just got my r7 7800x3d and I'm using MSI Afterburner on my old computer with I7 all the time.
I'm glad your video just poped up in my recommendations.
Thank you
Well done! Someone should advise FrameChasers his AMDips may be caused by MSI afterburner
i dont even know if framechasers is running auto, gear 1 or gear 2. when he says ddr5 6400 he dont specify what gear mode its on. for all we know he could be slashing performance running gear 2 6400.
hes been known in the past for rigging benchmarks. he also never show his bios settings which is sus
Guy is very clear in his agenda, I bet he knows and doesn't care as it doesn't fit the narrative, keep in mind he sells tuned intel CPU kits (ram and MB I assume) to people with very deep pockets it would hurt his business to solve any dips on the other brand.
He knows his stuff (to the limit of what I've seen) but his business is leveraging that to extract money from people with more $ than pc understanding which is VERY common in the PC space at least he keeps to selling to the over paid and isn't ripping off people with limited budgets. Its like selling NFTs to celebs funny enough that it gets a pass but would be bad if it was targeting normal people imo.
@@notwhatitwasbefore rich people getting ripped off is still bad. mr amdip framechasers bans critics on his discord if they complain about him. some of those critics even payed him to improve their PCs only for them to receive insults and a discord ban.
hes got a cult following too. mostly impressionable foIks who believe whatever framechasers say.
also hes selling overpriced ddr5 8000 kits. pretty much a scam as his kits dont work on most cpus and motherboards. if you buy it, and the xmp profile doesnt work he blames you. you cant refund, you cant RMA.
these are just a few of the rumors ive heard of this character. theres many many more
@@notwhatitwasbefore he doesnt show his settings because he doesnt want no one stealing his settings and them being used by "PC Optimizers" whom been stealing his shit from his discord and also in previous videos at the start of his ytb carrer, he does max OC benchmarks everytime and tunes every platform he is comparing, dude is straightup just trying to make people not buy bad hardware and prevent fucking arround with computer regarding stutters and shit, in his most famous 7800X3D warzone DIP video, yeah that could have been because of some shit like afterburner or shit and i too on both of my X3D chips i owned (5800X3D, 7800X3D) experienced problems with msi afterburner BUT i also experienced AMDIPS without afterburner nearly everywhere (stock, tuned, undervolt whatever really) and the guy is perfectly right, you dont have to believe in what he says, buy hardware on your own and test it properly and see where the truth is :) me hadding 5800X3D and 7800X3D and now maining 14700K with tuned ram (high speed, low timings) I can now feel and experience what the guy has been talking about. Intel is just clearly faster in every day to day task and when tuned it just demolishes X3D in smootheness and mouse response and most importantly frametime stability. I fucked around and found out, lesson from this: dont believe everything said on the internet even if majority of people on it says so (compare it to believing 100% whats said in TV News just because every station shares the same information to make you asume its truth and 100% legit)
also funny PS: the guy is now selling both AMD X3D bundles and Intel ones, IDK maybe he found a way how to tune X3D chips for you to have no dips, who knows, but calling him and intel shill who is trying to sell you Intel tuneup is just straighup disgusting, try to actually watch his content and not just viral clips and you will see this guy is about helping people to have no struggle with their computers and most of the internet just shits on him.
@@cant_Comment No, only Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed are doing shady stuff like this, and all the sheep believe their fake intel benchmarks!
Thanks for showing your face and showing yourself as a person. Great video man, keep it up
Something important to mention: This isnt the only problem that can occur. I had some small spikes in the frametime graph just about every second, it was consistent and it drove me crazy. I was changing the hardware polling period in the monitoring section and it changed. 100ms was a spike every 100ms, 2000ms and you had a spike every 2000ms. Closing afterburner didnt help, i think there was something in the background still active, i also have rivatuner but i was aware of all of that. I had that problem 2 years ago and forgot what the solution was. Im also not 100% sure but i think it was some Framerate setting that was the problem and caused a spike everytime the monitor pulled info at the time set. I reinstalled the whole thing and so far its gone. But i think without the frametime graph enabled ingame, you are lost, there is no way to find that small spikes. If someone has some sort of Problem, its always not a bad idea to enable a frametime graph ingame, but be aware that the program itself can cause problems
is this still good to do even if you are not experiencing any stutters?
Hey, hope you’re doing great! I’ve been dealing with a really annoying issue with my PC build: 4090 ROG Strix, 7800X3D, X670E-E ROG, 32GB 6000MHz CL30, ASUS TUF 1000W PSU.
The problem is screen flickering when the PC is idle (desktop or browsing). It works perfectly under heavy loads or gaming, temps are fine, but when idle, the screen flickers, and sometimes I lose signal entirely. (By the way its so random, some times is doesn’t happen for 2 days and the 3rd day goes crazy)
I’ve sent the GPU for RMA 3 times, but they said they couldn’t replicate the issue so they sent back the gpu. I’ve tried different DP cables, different HDMI ,Different monitors, drivers, BIOS updates, frameware updates turning G-Sync off, lowering resolution or refresh rate, vsync, plugging to another DP port, new windows installations, updating windows, rolling back to windows 10-EVERYTHING! The only workaround is setting “Prefer Maximum Performance” in the Nvidia control panel, but that’s not ideal.
Could this be a PSU issue? I read that the ASUS TUF is not the best PSU out there and jt might struggle with the 4090’s low power states. Any advice would be appreciated!
I will give away $250 to anyone can fix my issue because I am losing my mind.
Have you tried to totally remove display drivers and reinstall? Or it might be your power socket problem .🤔 have checked your voltage from socket, I think it might be fluctuating.
Been thru that,100% psu,it took me almost 3 months to find,even sent over my monitor for rma..in my case,faulty modular pcie cable,however asus still sent me a brand new psu and cables,asus thor 1200w p2..do update me if u manage to solve it..and dont use any kind of the fancy cable extension..just plug the cable straight to the psu.
@ i have tried everything in software side, the power draw of gpu in idle drops to 4 wats and then the flickering starts
I wonder if thats normal to drop that much
@@mhseny 4 wats for a 4090 ?? It's not normal for a 4090 to drop that much. Like my 3070 idle s at around 10 to 15 wats.
Psu issue. Sounds like power quality filtering does not work on low load.
OmG Mutahar lookalike but with clean hair... Shocking !!!!
Muta way sloppier
Would MSI Center cause the same issue???
also another setting in Afterburner that can cause similar issues "Force Fan Speed update on each period" under Fan control settings. This drove me nuts for months until I un-ticked that.
Reading context help for options you're blindly enabling inside application helps, helps a _lot_. It says the following:
Fan speed update period
Displays and adjusts fan speed update period for user defined software automatic fan control mode.
Hints:
- User defined software automatic fan speed control is not absolutely free in terms of performance, some CPU time is required on each fan speed update iteration to read temperature from hardware and update fan speed if necessary. Depending on GPU and sensor model and hardware access protocols, software automatic fan control related performance hit can vary from virtually invisible to noticeable periodic performance hit causing an effect of stuttering in applications intensively using CPU, such as 3D games.
If you are facing such effect while %PRODUCTNAME% is running, try to temporarily disable software automatic fan speed control to identify it as a problem source by unpressing the button. Then try to decrease CPU load by increasing fan speed update period.
Experienced users can also show performance profiler status information in the monitoring window by right clicking it and selecting the command. Status information displays CPU usage times for different background processes including fan speed update.
- You may disable user interface tooltips via tab in advanced properties.
Early adopter curse. Takes time for bios’ to mature
So what if you just set affinity from the game and monitoring software to different cores?
Oh wow thank you for this tip. I hear about AMDip a lot but then others always say its overblown. Crazy that this isn't more well known. Makes me wonder what other reviewers are using then when posting frame charts
Mainstream tech community is really bad tbh. There's no point discussing these issues as people don't believe you.
Would amd adrenalin metric overlay cause issues?
Wait, so this is what Userbenchmark was talking about????
Who knows what drugs they're on.
Love the content Danny, I think for 2024 you get my vote for best channel of the year in my book. The fact that you are also Canadian is a nice bonus since you always mention how Canadian customers get shafted because of the price of hardware.
it is sad when games this days actually have hardware to be played on buttery smooth, but there are so many layers of issues that you can't game smooth even with the best hardware on the market.
I had a horrible time with stutters in a couple games, but most notably Warhammer Darktide. I ended up having to disable multiple things in BIOS, Windows 11 settings and nVidia settings to get smooth feeling gameplay, even if the average frame rate was lower it looked and played so much smoother. idk why all this rubbish comes enabled by default when it more likely than not just inflates the fps without providing any tangible benefit.
Thanks for figuring this out for us. In January I plan to buy a 9900X3D. Now I know what I have to test/change when getting my new Comouterparts when the new CPU is released.
My 9800x3d has been phenomenal, no stuttering ever.
Case closed then wow!
My 7800X3D recently went faulty after 6 month of use. No overclocked, I didn’t even use MSI afterburner, any ideas why ?
Oh hell. I didn't expect Afterburner to screw up that bad. But I'm also not that surprised as I know polling software can take a bit of resources to run, so I had mine showing the bare minimum metrics and at over 2.5 seconds of polling rate, which is good enough for personal use.
Great video, thanks for the heads up!
Interesting, is this exclusive to AMD? I have a keyboard shortcut to show/hide the monitoring overlay and I noticed it causes a slight micro-stutter when switching on the overlay. Also there's a very small bit of input lag added when the overlay is on.
i was getting bad random frame drops with my 9800x3d. i found that i have to delete shader cashes every time i update my radeon drivers.
Sounds tiresome. PC gaming has become a constant labour
Q
is capframe x having the same issue with power monitoring ?
It's all crap.. My new 7600x3d with 7900 XT, clean new windows install running +500 fps in CS2 and the game still laggy, feels like 400ms, sprays are weird, random headshots when not even aiming on target, dying behind walls and corners probably because game is not synced with other players.
Wasted 2000 dollars in hopes my CS2 would be as smooth as CSGO, but my conclusion is that hardware and software now days are so full of bugs and game optimization as well, and probably deliberately because it means old hardware becomes useless and forces pc users to upgrade hardware which increases profits within the hardware industry.
This. They only care about new sales.
I think it's the lag in your internet connection, especially if you're connected by wireless. Best is cable straight into the router, and hopefully a very low lag on the internet.
@@florin604 I play with a wire and with 15-20 ping
@@orion9kthen close all monitoring software 😂
Weird my version of MSI has different or not as many options as yours. I see stuff like GPU1 and GPU2 power also power percent. I see CPU power also but no option that is power only?
Thank you so much for that investigation, I will try to see if it solves my weird micro-stutters on my 7800x3d system !
Thanks for racking your brains to solve this discouraging problem, I'm putting together a new setup with the 9800x3d
what about CPU Package Power? or CPU Voltage/etc/etc
Dude, you are a f'in lifesaver. I'm running a 7800x3d with a rx7900 xtx on f'in Arch Linux and was having the same exact issue! I disabled power monitoring on GPU and CPU in MangoHud (much nicer open-source app similar to clunky assed afterburner) and viola! Problem solved! Holy shit before this I had uninstalled and reinstalled linux3 times, went hardcore and totally redid the entire cooling solution in my case, even remounted my GPU from a vertical to horizontal mount thinking maybe it was a weird temp throttling issue. NONE of that helped. But your solution instantly led to buttery smooth FPS with no stutter! Awesome job dude, thanks and subbed!
Will keep that in mind, thanks for the vid. How did you make Afterburner show CPU Temps? My 9800X3D doesn't show any option for it in Afterburner.
Are you using afterburner with rivatuner for your monitoring / overlay? Last I checked, afterburner did not support 9000 series yet but it looks like it works for you. I have been using Hwinfo64 for my monitoring software with RTSS... Thanks. And appreciate the video, really good to know if I have stuttering issues, these are notoriously hard to track down.
can you test this wit other amd cpu ? 7950x3d ? 9700x ? 7800x3d ? 5700x3d ? 9950x ?
what are the alternatives to MSI afterburner?
I'm glad you finally found the solution, but what makes me even happier is that you share it with us, thank you
Thank you for sharing the results of all your hard work. I'm sure it's appreciated by everyone that has this issue and sees this video.
Hey, a quick question, what kind of debloating do you do with Win11 install? I am thinking of switching from Win10 some time in the future.
Chris Titus tool trust me it does wonders
So this is manual cpu oc? At what voltage?
I use corsair icue with one of those tiny screens with keyboard to monitor cpu and gpu usage... is corsair icue also affected?
What about having hw monitor open? Or another OSD? I use fpsmonitor personally was wondering if those alternative apps act the same way?
My MSI Afterburner dont have that option you unclick!..My version is the same, but dont show that option , (Power)
This is very interesting stuff, you just got yourself a new subscriber ... 👍👍
I do have a similar issue, but on my 13700k. I don’t have Afterburner installed. You know any other tools that could cause the same monitoring issues? Thx for your efforts 🥰
I have that problem even tho im using capframex instead of afterburner, is there anything i can do to change settings and fix it?
What if you never downloaded MSI afterburner? Is there a way to stop micro stuttering
Running Afterburner, or any other monitoring software, while gaming? 🤔
Just one question: did you install the chipset drivers?
could amd adrenaline's own monitoring cause any problems? I've been experiencing this same exact issue this year on and off on my 7900XTX. It has been driving me absolutely insane.
can it do that on the Nvidia APP or amd GPU PWR monitoring i mean is it possible that this issue only on msi or every GPU PWR monitoring
curious if this is also a 24H2 specific issue because I recently installed 24H2 fresh and noticed a lot of games just ran worse with some games having periodic crashes (namely POE2) and after reinstalling 23H2 all issues went away. I'de love to see if the same rig but on 23H2 exhibits this specific issue
Also if you look at the frame graph spikes, it perfectly lines up with when the GPU power updates its period to a new value in that plague tale requiem