Brahms Symphony No.4 - Carlos Kleiber / Berliner Philharmoniker (live)
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- Carlos Kleiber conducted Berliner Philharmoniker only twice. This is the latter. Probably the most exciting concert I've ever attended.
28 June 1994, Berliner Philharmonie
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I discovered Kleiber last night and stayed up all night mesmerized............what a night!!!!!!
Welcome to the club!
Welcome! You'll never be able to get out 🙂
I know the feeling. He was simply and definitively the greatest.
Good nightS, Paul
Kleiber was a genius. This performance blew me almost out of my chair. He understood Brahms until the bone. What an experience!
Carlos Kleiber ..perfect conductor 🌎R.I.P 🌷
クライバーのBrahmsの４番はエレガントな軽い響きの印象でしたけれど、このベルリンフィルとのliveはずしーんと響く重く暗い、しかし感動的な大演奏ひさしぶりに満足できるBrahmsの４番でした。ありがとうございます。
お楽しみいただけて良かったです。
This is no more music. This is a kind of inner lava, first burning Brahm's heart and soul, than the hands and the mind of Carlos, and at the end my poor conscience.
The whole stuff toxic and incredibly beautiful. 12:22
Rarely listened to such a barn-storming interpretation of the 4th. Electrifying.
12:40 The recording can't capture the volume! Amazing. Simply amazing.
I see I up-voted this some time in the past and somehow I've come back to it. Man, Kleiber really goes all-in with this.
So intense, you can almost see the sweat dropping off the musicians.
I've always treasured the early 1960s Karajan/Berlin Fourth, but this is breathtaking. Wow.
This performance is a revelation of epic proportions. There has never been anything remotely like it. It knocked my socks off, blew me out of the water, and almost brought on a cardiac arrest. Listen to it closely a few times. Carlos must have been breathing fire that night! Talk about propulsive and powerful....That was Dionysus meets Brahms! Upshot: a Dionysian Brahms 4.
もう２４年にもなるんですね。20代だった僕もライブで緊張と興奮を共にした一人です。前半は指揮を近くで見たくてポディウム席でブラームスはＦブロックでしびれてました。２楽章と３楽章のライブならではの対比、時間よ止まってくれと叫んでた激しくあっという間に終わってしまった終楽章、今なお昨日のように思い出します。
胸が締め付けられる。
カルロスクライバー最高。
The first movement is an astonishing creation, almost a symphony in itself, and the ending is a titanic struggle. Sometimes it seems like a triumph, other times less so.
Think of how "worked over" the BPO must have felt at the end of this performance! Kudos to them for hanging in there on that wild ride.
Getting through the rehearsals was probably a more strenuous task but totally worth it
Astounding!
This symphony AND the execution simply make you feel dizzy, as if you had climbed up the top of the world. All shades of deeply human feelings , well beyond written or spoken words, seem to have found final expression in music. Thanks verybody!
I used to think that Carlos Kleiber's recording of this symphony with the Wiener Philharmoniker was his best (as well as one of the greatest ever), but this one is my new favorite. Thank you!
Berlin makes the difficult sound so damn easy.
Wunderbar! Lass uns eine andere Welt sehen!
He was so amazing. His studio recordings were great but his live recordings are power! Even with limited recorded sounded.
Truly amazing! I admire everyone who ever attended a concert by Carlos live.
Thank you!
I don't "admire" them; I do ENVY them!!!
Mesmerizing !
ウィーンフィルとの録音ももちろん素晴らしくて当時驚嘆したものですが、これは別次元領域ですね。オケも熱に浮かされたように演奏してます。2楽章のAでクラリネットがソロを0.5小節落っこちたりしてるけどそんなトラブルもリアリティがあって傷にはなっていない。
Thank you for posting friend. The most compelling and powerful performance of this work I've heard -- a despairing and shattering experience -- the Brahms 4th, the greatest of his symphonies and the greatest of all symphonic tragedies.
A FANTASTIC PERFORMANCE ! THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS WITH US ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥♥
La música ma bella que tuve la inmensidad de conocer y adorar
すごくパワフル！
ウィーンフィルとのスタジオ録音とは随分異なる。
やはりライブだからか。
Carlos Kleiber dirigía con algo parecido a la magia. Esta versión es maravillosa.
この演奏がクライバーの本質じゃないかと思います。血みどろのブラームス。ウィーンフィルには感じませんでした。凄すぎる。
クライバーの本質、そのとおりかと思います。ウィーンフィル盤は整理されてきこえます。これは彼の一期一会の気迫にベルリンフィルが必死にくらいついて、第３楽章から爆発してどんどん燃えていった演奏でした。
*Beautiful*
Bravo Sr. Carlos 🎼🎼🎶🎶
ベルリンpoだからこその味のある響きですね。フルトベングラーな感じがしました。凄いです！ ウィーンpoの演奏とは対照的ですね。🧹
Movements
1) Start
2)13:10
3)24:23
4)30:23
Superb
カルロス クライバーのベト4,7とこのブラ4はほんとにすばらしいです。これ以上の演奏は100年以上無理ですね。
The best
I remember getting this CD on Memories over 10 years ago. There is one with the CSO from the 70's that's great also. The ending is more intense, but this performance is amazing. There is another Memories CD that has Beethoven's 7th coupled with the 4th from 1986 in Tokyo. The 4th is good, but the 7th is many levels above everyone else. You actually went to this concert? I can't even imagine what this sounded like in person. He brings out certain passages here that are not in his other recordings of this symphony. His repertoire was small, but I'll take quality or quantity any day.
Kleiber appeared in two concerts with the CSO. One included the Beethoven 5th, the second included the Brahms 2nd. He never performed the 4th with them. The concert including the Second was never recorded. Kleiber reportedly refused his permission. It was, however, the most stupendous performances I ever heard of the piece. He transformed Solti's orchestra's sound into something like the Vienna Philharmonic. I've heard unauthorized discs claiming to be the CSO Brahms 2, but none of them resemble the concert performance I attended.
@@geraldstein8623 That's right. My mistake. It was with the Vienna Philharmonic, not the CSO. I think it's from 1979. It's the best 4th I've heard. The sound is good also.
Peaceful ♥🌹🌺🌹
L' op. 98 di Brahms resta, a mio parere, il più alto esito della forma sinfonica strettamente intesa, nella sua evoluzione da Mozart ed Haydn e poi attraverso Beethoven, Schubert, i romantici e gli stessi epigoni di Brahms. La conoscenza che Brahms ha di Bach è semplicemente unica! Interpretata da Carlos Kleiber la Quarta assume i connotati di un biglietto da visita di ciò che è stata - e non sarà mai più - l'umanità, un biglietto da visita da diffondere nell'universo..................
20:58～24:11が好きすぎて何回もリピートしてしまうし精神状態によっては泣いてしまうw
ウィーンフィルとの録音では綺麗だなぁと思うくらいだったんだけど、この演奏は凄く壮絶に聴こえる
Kleiber riding the horse called Berliner Ph. that had been 'backed' by Furtwängler's priming!
VPOを指揮した演奏の評価が高いが、美しい演奏と思いはしたけれどそれほど感銘を受けたわけではなかった、クライバーの演奏への期待感が別の方角へ向いていたのかも知れない。たまたまBPOの演奏があったので、こちらを聞いて驚いた。ワクワクしながら、「クライバー」！！！と思った。録音マイクの位置にもよるのだろうがBPOのティンパニー奏者はこれほど思い切り叩かせてもらって本望だったろう。
風のように優しくまた力強くキメの細やかタクトさばきが見える
Carlos Kleiber is my favourite conductor and needless to say the best conductor ever lived (according to a poll of 100 international conductors - they all named him). In this recording something went wrong if I recall correctly between the Berliner (an amazing ensemble - extraordinary indeed) and Maestro Kleiber. You can hear several errors which are not typical neither of Kleiber nor the Berliner. Pay attention to the timpanist on the first movement or the horns entering early !!! I do know that that concert was nearly cancelled due to tension between C Kleiber and the orchestra at some point... and it comes across. Having said this, the intensity and the flow of his conducting is unmatched.
'..a poll of 100 international conductors - they all named him' -- so the vote was unanimous.. this guy is spreading a B.S. or his English is limited.
@@samuilc8000 you wanted me to say 'they voted him' if you don't know it, look it up... or perhaps you ignore it and you'll be justified in that case - as per my English is surely better than your other 6 languages that I'm sure you don't speak.
@@enricomarconi1767 If you are truly accomplished as you think you are, you won't quote others however credible they may seem. Rather you will form your own opinion and say it. Wait a few more years before running your mouth. I know your mouth is itching but give it a rest, please. It seems it needs it badly.
@@samuilc8000 I'm Not following you whatever your name is... I didn't make any statement about myself, I only stated that there has been a s.c. 'referendum' involving all the top Maestri in the world who unanimously elected Carlos Kleiber as the best ever lived. Are you a conductor? If you are, then there is no need explaining to you as to why CK was simply the best among all of us, but if you're not, then I wouldn't know where to begin to show it to you without knowing, in advance, how much do you know about music, conducting, performing etc. Even an orchestral musician wouldn't know about conducting unless he or she has actually done it from the podium. Having said that, C. Kleiber could deliver way beyond anyone else could, and recognising this, wouldn't diminish my work (nor my colleagues'), but rather gives us something to aspire to. (if my English isn't good enough for you I can always rewrite it in perfect Italian...).
@@enricomarconi1767 I guess you didn't take my advice. It's ok. I didn't expect it or honestly I don't care. Let's move on. Bye!
que grande maestro . suena mas humana la orquesta
貴重な音源をご紹介下さり、ありがとうございます。確かに音質に多少の難はありますが、非常に愉しく拝聴させてもらいました。まだ購入可能なようなので、買ってモーツァルトの交響曲とベートーヴェンの序曲とともにじっくりと聴いてみようと思います。
お気に召されてよかったです。これがあまりにすごくて忘れてましたが、コリオラン序曲とモーツァルトの３３番もお楽しみになれるのではないでしょうか。
ご返信いただきありがとうございます。フィルハーモニーでのクライバーのライブを生で聴かれたご経験は羨ましい限りです。デジタルコンサートホールで聴けないのが残念ですが、この録音は生々しいリアルな音をしっかりと拾って再現していて臨場感が結構ありますね。
素晴らしい・・・
13:08 2. Satz: Andante moderato (E-Dur)
Impressionante. Mi chiedo se sia ad altezze più alte questa o quella ufficiale coi Wiener...
An answer to the comment about being so many genius conductors I must say that climber exceeds them all by a mile he is at the top of his game or was
ザイフェルトの唸るような１ｓｔホルン、ティンパニはフォーグラーでしょうか。弦の響がいまよりはるかに情感豊かでボリュームも断然。これがベルリンのサウンド。聴いてすぐにわかる響
How about that timpani stroke that opens the third movement! Unbelievable!
The timpani stroke to which I refer is at 24:22.
This is a recording artefact.
アバドの時代に入り楽員の自主任せでハーモニーに統率のとれない状況がおこりつつあり気にかけていました。やはり、コントロールのち密なクライバーの下で一時的ながら美しいブラームスが聴けました。演奏の評価はともかく、BPOはこの種の指揮者がよいかなと。
Does anyone please have his debut concert with the BPO, from March 9th 1989: Brahms 2 etc?
As far as I know only the first half (Mozart 36) was released by We love Carlos society.
Henry Rui thanks! Shame...
Parpignol Rules now I have got his brahms 2 bpo 1989. Email me at c-kleiber@Hotmail.com if you are interested.
Karajan is down the list by comparison with the Heavenly Kleiber. Just listen to the way the BPO plays under him!!!!! Electrifying.................................oh my God!!!! Nothing and no one matches this Kleiber, this meteor from the Flow of universal Life. NO WONDER THE BPO AFTER KARAJAN PASSED WANTED KLEIBER. Kleiber, though, said, "No." That was it. I understand why. I doubt if most do, including how they understand, misunderstand, Kleiber.
Kleiber was lazy and with a ridiculously small repertoire, he couldn't make the most of his undoubted great talent. A second tier conductor, in the grand scheme of things.
@@nestoringles6679 "lazy"? Sir, you throw around words far too cavalierly! Quite arrogant of you!
@@nestoringles6679 Kleiber lazy ? He had a little story or emotion for each measures he conducted. So he couldn't conduct anything without that life-rule, that's why he had a little repertoire, it takes really too much time of preparation. Inquire yourself before judging a conducting legend.
@@nestoringles6679 Lazy is an unfair characterization of a conductor who demanded numerous exacting rehearsals before a performance. Kleiber's issue was his perfectionism, his unwillingness to accept a performance that wasn't perfect, and his turning his dissatisfaction with a performance on himself rather than his players. Thus, he restricted his repertoire to works where he believed perfection was attainable, like Beethoven's 5th and 7th, and avoided those where it was not, like the Eroica.
@@nestoringles6679 In fact, CK had an enormous repertoire. Most of it, however, lay within and never to be given publicly. Some evidence of this lies in his early career. Toru Hirasawa's and Alex Werner's worklists demonstrate the fact of it.
One of the many paradoxes of Kleiber lay in the fact that, by the time his enormous reputation could have taken him to any opera house, symphony hall, or recording studio in the world, he no longer wanted it.
Both Bernard Haitink and Sir Peter Jonas commented often on his vast knowledge of repertoire. Just because he chose not to give it in public does NOT mean he didn't know and command it in private. In the 15 years I knew him, I was never once able to nominate a work from 'standard' rep that he had not studied already. It was amazing. As was he.
This Berlin Brahms 4, as we can all hear, has a glorious eloquence -- and differs in many ways from his better-known recording w/ the WPH. It suggests, I believe, that Kleiber never stopped studying, digging, probing, and singing his latest findings. This is not the stuff of laziness. It is the journey of genius.
the accelaration in the last movement (Passacaglia) is strange, his recording with VPO sounds better (ok, here it´s a live tape). A member of the BPO wrote: ... he conducts only the notes. I like more Furtwängler Brahms 4, but Kleibers 4 is also great. English gramophone choose the disk (with VPO) as an century recording.
BP has bit dark and densly weight sounds (Karajan's sound - its excellant too), while VPO has more southern sounds misxed up with Bohemian - Slavic scent. Maybe, Kleiber prefer VPO sound to BP? I heard personally Kleiber did respect Karajan. Brahms 2 with VPO was excellant too.
Do you have a source for that BPO member who wrote "he only conducts the notes?"
@@MrTann2010 yes for sure, Peter Brem wrote this, but He mean it not worse, He played under kleiber opera and find him there even netter.
Re "he conducts only the notes": that is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard said about Carlos's conducting!
@@Berto-bo7mr If you are a fanboy, ist's ok.
たった、2回！！とても、良い演奏ですがね。なぜ、ベルリン・フィルと、2回しか、共演しなかったのだろう。ウイーン・フィルの指揮した、ブラームスの4番シンフォニーとも、違い、少し音が、シャープで、エッジが、効いてますね。少し硬質の音色がして、あまり、渋さが、強調されてませんね。音がクリアーに、聞こえます。Live 演奏会にしては、完成度が、高いですね。
It looks him on that day, but I find little clue in this photo.
I' never read "corresponding with carlos". Let me know if anythig interesting.
Could you give me an email address? I will send you the relevant content. Thanks.
azuma.smc@gmail.com
Many thanks!
音楽家にして、聴き手であるリヒテルが絶賛しているクライバー、何か足りない要素はありますか。
Premesso che Kleiber figlio e' per me il direttore che mi ha dato piu' emozioni, e' stata una fortuna per i Berliner avere come direttore Abbado. Kleiber per il suo carattere non era adatto a fare il direttore musicale per lunghi periodi con un'orchestra. Diceva di lui Karaian, quando il frigorifero di casa era vuoto allora si decideva a fare dei concerti, poi il suo repertorio non era cosi' ampio da poter essere gestito in un programma concertistico di intere stagioni. Non poteva dirigere sempre le stesse opere. Abbado invece ha portato un'aria nuova affiancando composizioni mai suonate con la tradizione, infondendo nell'orchestra un suono diverso ma sempre pregnante rispetto al suo predecessore.
That’s not true. Kleiber could conduct any work if he wanted to. Peter Jonas said that he once went through ten recordings of Bruckner’s 8th with Kleiber and he knew where every single climax was.
In his Düsseldorf/Stuttgart days, it was said Kleiber had a repertoire of 40-50 operas. In other words he could conduct anything, but he preferred to stay in his comfort zone
假若 Carlos Kleiber 嘅布拉姆斯第四交響曲（「維也納愛樂」錄音室版本），已經係力發千鈞嘅話，呢隻從未見過嘅「柏林愛樂」現場錄音，更加係雷霆萬鈞！
請聽第三樂章（24分22秒） 連電腦喇叭都阻擋唔住 Kleiber 有若「萬佛朝宗」般氣派。
Only limited to this concert, BP sound heavier than VP. Under same conductor, BP and VP shows very different colors, interesting.
Don't casually assume that Carlos had the same interpretation in mind when conducting both orchestras.
God. Neither Wurtwangler nor Karajan could get this out of the BPO, plus the insights into the score. Breathtaking. From another world...................VOLCANIC. That's what happens when a conductor is communing not with ego, mind, emotions, body, but Source, Consciousness. Check out all the research on The Flow, most notably Chikszentmihaly (spelling?). No other conductors could enchant orchestras even remotely like this, and have them play with such technical precision, besides. Szell's reading was great, but intellectual, prophylactic rather; Bernstein's was great, too, but not the fire and nuance of Kleiber...........
he was great, yes.
Carlos Kleiber war ein Engel der Musik, herabgestiegen, um uns in seine wunderbaren Sphären mitzunehmen.....
I disagree with you, of the comparison with Furtwängler!. At the end there was a lack of power in the final chords by Kleiber, which Kleiber had already wasted before. In addition, the staccati chords were not previously integrated into the opposing voices, but always chopped out. It is indeed very dramatic overall, but there is a lack of connection to the piano passages and lyrical passages as a whole. Why does Brahms break out more often, that doesn't make sense. With Furtwängler it is conclusive! one notices that Furtwängler had composed himself, he knew the transitions, they are only reproduced here by Kleiber but not felt. You must compare the version of Furtwängler - Brahms no. 4 Furtwängler BPO 1943 on this channel, then you hear the fine differences !
Were the timpani so strong in concert, too?
Yes, it was. This recording may have picked up timpani too much for some reason. I didn't find it so there.
How is that bad? Timpani is awesome!
Maybe it is the matter of microphone, Kleiber used to conduct very balanced ways.
I think the concert was recorded by someone in the audience sitting behind the orchestra close to the timpani and horns.
Wow you have attended that concert at 28 June 1994?
That's amazing.
Kleiber seems very nervous before that concert. One of the reasons is that the BPO concert Hall was his parents' house many years ago and he could feel his father's atmosphere / soul.
He booked every flight back to home when he had the rehearsal with BPO, in case of something wrong happened.
He did not bow to the audience before the concert to accept the applauds, and he also asked the orchestra did not stand up before concert starts. He just nodded his head to the audience and then started straight from Coriolan overture. This is the information I have got from a book, and if you attend the concert, could you verify whether it really happened?
I have purchased the CD from memories excellence about 10 years ago. This concert by my opinion is one of his best two concerts in his life. The other one is 1989 new year concert.
Thanks for uploading.
Thank you for comment. Yes, I have attend that concert when I worked in Frankfurt and flew to Berlin since I got tickets with luck.
I'm afraid it is in Japanese, I wrote a blog about that concert from my memory. Please copy and paste this to find it if you have interest;
カルロス・クライバー指揮ベルリンフィルの思い出
President Weizsaecker made an opening speech as it was a benefit concert "Hilfe für Bosnien". What I can verify is that, after tuning, it took a while before Kleiber appeared on stage while audience held their breath. He showed up at a swinging trot. No stand-up and jumped into Coriolan. I don't remember his bow nor nod to audience.
I agree with you, I like his ”new year ”and this electrifying concert.
Thanks very much for your information and blog. I have used google translation and read it.
I have searched a pic from twitter, uploaded by BPO. Could you make sure that is Kleiber at 1994.6.28?
twitter.com/BerlinPhil/status/482916358410096641/photo/1
Thanks again.
Also, I have got some information from the book "corresponding with carlos" for this concert, written by Kleiber's private letter with his friend, Charles Barber.
Let me know if you are interested.
I was also at that concert. Truly unforgettable. I also got his autograph on the concert poster and some of his CDs after the concert. Definitely concert of a lifetime, there was a champagne reception after the concert. I also have that Memories CD but don't remember many details of the concert.
Wow. Did you have a chance to talk to Kleiber, or get his signature after the concert?
The BPO should have taken Kleiber instead Abbado as Karajan's successor. What an outreageous performance....
I think Kleiber was too lazy to take any music director jobs lol, I think he would've been terrible at managerial stuff, but yes, one of the best conductors to have ever lived, pitied he retired so early (probably out of laziness, again...)...
Ben Legebeke Kleiber was indeed offered the post and he was the only person in the history to turn it down...
Kleiber declined to be music director.
"In 1989, following Herbert von Karajan's resignation from the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, Kleiber was offered, and declined, the opportunity to succeed him as music director."
correct
They proposed, he refused...
This is not Berliner Philharmoniker.... but Wiener
30:24 4th
すっげ
0:00 I.
Wonder how/why the meticulous CK could abide the consistently vulgar timpani playing here in an otherwise amazing performance--one so different from his own, equally amazing recorded performance with the VPO.
The problem is the recording, not the timpanist.
Why can he play this way？
¿ Visualización? ¿De qué ? Solo aparece una foto de Carlos Kleiber dirigiendo un ensayo. Un poco más de seriedad.
Much better than the famous wiener
Absolutely no comparison to Furtwängler's live performance. I usually like Kleiber, however, his interpretation of this work lacks unity in a way that Furtwängler achieved with perhaps the most profound results.
Omg, a wrong note at 6:28. =O
Strange, I don't hear it. which instrument(s)?
@@robertmanno8470 NOT strings, its a wind instrument, i think its clarinet.
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ma chi sarebbero?
良い演奏ですが、いかんせん音が悪い。弦の艶やかさもバスの響きも無い。なんともったいない。
30年以上前のブルーノワルターの方が音がいいってどゆこと？
たぶんかくし録りだと思います。
Too much reverberation. Terrible recording. A messy performance if I ever heard one. Winds and strings continuously overriding each other's section. I have never understood why most critics praise this performance. I shall always turn to Furtwängler or Schmidt-Isserstedt for this work.
Sami Habra
The critics praise Kleiber's performance recorded by DG with the Vienna Philharmonic (a truly great one, maybe THE greatest). This is a live performance, not a studio one, and consequently has some balance flaws.
Yes, very poor sound reproduction.
In front of Carlos Kleiber , Karajan is a snobbish clown .
Please do not compare artists each other, everyone has their own specialties and ways of expressions. I love both great conductors.
Yes, with all his recordings, money and trophy wife. But Kleiber liked him.
Kleiber didn't think so. He was one of the most enthusiastic HvK's fans.
That is not fair. Karajan has done very great performances, especially in the last years of his life. Bruckner 8, par exemple.
@@gemmacoebergh8062 Indeed. His last performance of Beethoven's 5th Symphony was miraculous. In general, Kleiber's studio recordings are better than Karajan's recordings. However, last week I discovered a studio recording of Karajan's about Bartok's Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta. It was fabulous!! Surprinsingly, it was from 1973, one year before the DG released the legendary Kleiber's studio recording of Beethoven's 5th Symphony. I suppose there are many factors (technology, sound engineers, ...). Maybe, that's why Kleiber was luckier than Karajan in terms of studio recordings. However, in a live-performace things were quite different: Karajan was better than Kleiber (Except the New Year's Concerts, were Kleiber was the greatest of them all).