This clip is from the Huberman Lab episode "Dr. Casey Means: Transform Your Health by Improving Metabolism, Hormone & Blood Sugar Regulation". The full episode can be found on TH-cam here: th-cam.com/video/8qaBpM73NSk/w-d-xo.html
I started intermittent fasting 5 years ago with 16:8 I have always been diligent in my self care from a very young age. I was never overweight as a child but my extremely naturaly thin little friends would say I was fat or that if I ate a particular thing I was going to get fat. Even at this very young age maybe 10, I was determined to take control of this and I started not eating at all and experienced early stages of anorexia. I recall nearly fainting at one point. My mother begging me to eat. But thankfully my mother offered me a healthy alternative...she encouraged me to do aerobic exercise tapes at home with her which I o absolutely loved. Luckily I loved theatrics like dancing and singing...that combined with my extreme ability of extremel will power with eating a healthy diet provided me with a lifelong pattern of healthy eating and exercise. I also believe being a Capricorn helped. Lol. But now in my adult life, 5 years ago I happened upon this idea of intermittent fasting ...i immediately implemented this and it has changed my life forever. I started with 16 hours fasting and 8 hours eating which was challenging at first but i listened to my body ...something I learned to do at such an early age and continued with throughout my life... slowly over time the fasting became so much easier and then over the course of 5 years it became so much easier that my body no longer craved constant food...as I listened to it more ..i just easily increased the fasting window to 17, 18...and at times more leading me to the 1 meal a day on some days with complete ease. I don't even typically feel hungry. I practice very detailed self care every day. I walk 15k a day and add weight resistance 3 times a week. I make sure to get enough sleep every night, I eat a very nutritionally healthy diet with lots of organic whole foods though I do enjoy some sweets most nights as a treat but with moderation, and I also incorporate red light/ infrared light from 2 full body size panels also every day. I don't expose my body to sun without spf and also somewhat limit direct sun exposure but do get outside plenty including walks with a UVB umbrella. My annual bloodwork is exceptional according to my Provider. I really do believe in listening to your body....some days if I haven't had enough sleep my body is hungrier so I just eat earlier in that window.etc. I initially lost weight when I started fasting but now my body has settled in at the exact BMI that's considered healthy according to my height and current weight...it no longer fluctuates.... I no longer have gastrointestinal occurences and I feel healthy. I feel like intermittent fasting isn't even what I practice anymore..its just my lifestyle. I stay active all day and mostly forget I haven't eaten yet...but i do look forward to a nice balanced meal when it is time to eat. Maybe it's not for everyone but it certainly has been great and life changing for me.
Anything the FDA says to eat I just do the opposite. I recommend reading “Health and Beauty Mastery” by Julian Bannet, that book is a real eye opener about shocking stuff health industry is doing! I completely changed my habits
I think the most important part of this clip is where she talks about "tuning in to your own body". General guidelines of feeding windows are only that - guidelines, for the average person, without looking at any personal details. F.e. fasting might be of advantage for people with an excess fat storage, but will be detrimental for any person lacking this fat storage - and there are more then one might think by looking at the "statistics for the average US-citizen". I think that is very important to keep in mind. First and foremost think about your personal circumstances, and do not just take on every guideline that is thrown at you without adjusting it to your personal needs.
No food after 530 pm for years. The real cheat code for me is also twice a week fast mimicking protocol. I maintain adequate protein and nutrients just very low calories. I'm very active and most of my "wear and tear" symptoms are gone and have not resurfaced for a long long time.
In one of the ancient religion jainsim Fasting is a way of life , eating period is after sunrise and before sunset . after sunset you can only have to take water . I have seen that elder ones who truly follows their vows live till 100 years of age . I asked them whats your secret they said our lifestyle(which is eating after sunrise and before sunset ) , less stress ,less medications(increases natural immunity) ,pure unadultratedand unprocessed food is the cause .
Ive been doing intermittent fast from 8pm to 11-12 in morning and i have kept the same weight i wanted to stay at eventhough i eat whatever i want to. But i also do workout 1hr every other day also. It def does work but you gotta also eat decently healthy or cut out some carbs but intermittent fasting does work. I only workout though, no cardio at all other than walking at work
If you have a 6-7 hr eating window, you’re basically “gifting” yourself 1-2 hrs of free time every day by not planning, preparing and cleaning up a 3rd meal. And I love it!😂
I’ve always thought fasting is important for simply training your body’s ability go into ketosis and burn fat. This body system needs to be exercised like everything else.
When I am dealing with a stressful situation, is when "fasting" is most helpful. It feels like a superpower then. These are two people who clearly haven't experimented enough.
I do IF. 18-19 hours fasting. I eat breakfast between 11-12 and dinner around 5 most days. On days I don't I will go at LEAST 12 hours fasting and it is always 2-3 meals a day. NO SNACKING.
Quick question. The day time hours per say varies by a meaningful margin the further we go from the equator. Does this imply that if we eat with the day time hours concept, we would need to have a very restrictive food window in winter months , while the window can relax to 8 -12 hours in the summer months ? Does this seasonal variability help in any meaningful way ?
I don’t think daytime hours are as important as your circadian rhythm here. Generally speaking, its best to fast as many hours before your bedtime as you can, at least 2 to 3 hours, ideally 4 or more.
Can you speak on your interview with Dr. Stacy Sims, who basically says women should not do Intermittent Fasting or TRE? I’m honestly confused by the conflicting messages.
I agree with Dr Stacy Simms - eat soon after waking up to blunt the cortisol spike. I would delay eating until 11am/12 - I lost weight but had terrible anxiety overall and got headaches. I feel much better now eating breakfast, lunch and dinner all at normal times. 12-13 hours btween dinner and breakfast is enough of a 'fast' for me. Simms just calls it 'normal eating '!
I usually do a 6-8 hour window that starts at around 8 am and ends at 2-4 pm. My heaviest meal is easily breakfast and linner is light with tons of vegetables and beans.
Everything is "Context" specific. That's purpose driven. Even mathematics is specific. So, it's no use discussing some ambiguous generalizations. Fasting means to Speed up, Tighten up etc. Food is just one content in that.
What if the same amount of kcal were eaten in a 12 hour window, but it was eaten in just 2 meals. Examples 1 and 2, 0900 and 2100 or 0600 and 1800 No snacking in between.
I eat from 11-5 every day, little more carbs pre workout earlier in my day, low carb high protein post workout which is roughly 3:30-4:00 sometimes to 4:15ish. Eating last meal by 4:30-4:45. Feel amazing! Way more flexible on weekends mostly to allow for friends family social type stuff but still super rare to eat before 9am or after 7pm.
Great clip and information...i definitely think thr 8hr window better. Thats what i strive for. And thank you for clarifying the fasting study. I feel they would need to take in account personal information also . I believe other factors may be causing heart issue, other than simply fasting. But that is just my opinion. Thank you for sharing .
I think that just returning to what was done traditionally for kids and just have 3 meals a day without snacks will be extremely beneficial. Also eliminate all sugary drinks for kids including fruit juice and just give them whole fruits as desserts after they eat a high protein meal so you control their insulin spikes. Dr Lustig did a study at his UCSF obesity clinic in which obese kids just had the fructose in their diet replaced by glucose and it was a huge benefit to all the health markers of the kids. The only fructose that was allowed were the ones coming from whole fruits
How does this work? Brft, going to work, 8.5 hours of work, going to the gym=10.5 hrs. I am hungry after the gym. How do you do this with regular work hours. Not everyone works from home or have flexible hours. Am i not suppose to eat brft if i work out after work? My brain doesn't start up without my brft. ????
I eat lunch and dinner. Lunch 11 to 12ish and dinner 6 to 7ish. I find it best to workout in the morning before work. If any of it feels like it won’t work, your body will adjust after about 3 weeks of doing it. Your body just gets accustomed to a schedule and it takes time to change it. When your brain gets used to doing things in a fasted state, it will become more efficient at doing them over time. I find myself being most productive when fasted between my 7 am workout and lunch. If you would have asked me to do that 5 years ago, I would have thought it was crazy.
Yes exactly, she’s saying having a 6 hour window for consuming all your meals and let the body rest from eating during the rest of the day (18 hours) seems to be very helpful for your health. She also suggests this window to be close to the beginning of the day than after dark
@@sandroalmeida5811 ok, got it. so eating food in only 6-7 hours window and not eating anything after that. i was initially thinking she meant a meal after every 6-7 hour. Thanks.
Intermittent fasting worked well for me for about 8 or 9 months. Then my body adjusted and I gained all my weight back. I continue to IF, but went carnivore 6 of 7 days. I’ve lost 20 lbs of fat and gained 10 lbs of muscle in 8 months.
Yes you are correct, there is lots of data that shows the brain literally functions better with food. IF became a marketing tool to make money. If it works for you great, but saying “you feel sharper when fasted” is just a placebo effect.
@@DocMurphtruly the opposite for me. I fast for 12 hrs, 6AM-6Pm twice a week. At 1-3pm was the hardest. But before and after that was awesome, you get in the zone and have more energy actually. When I ate @6PM, my energy went down till about 8PM then level out.
Its best to have your last meal 2-3 hours prior to sleep, you stress your body by eating just before bed. Your body will become inflamed internally over night
A 6 hr feeding window isn't tough for me. That's exactly what I do nearly 100% of the time. You guys would shit if you could see a before photo of me compared to my avatar now. I'm 54. Started this in April 2023. If I can do this ANYONE can. Was 220lbs.....230 lbs during the start of covid. Now 174 but I have also added a lot of lean muscle mass so the overall weight would actually be less than that had I not gained this muscle.
Why does Huberman not want to acknowledge the benefits of fasting! It's ridiculous. He just hasn't done OMAD enough to adapt to it, I assume. Eating in a 6-hour window is easy, but doesn't make sense. Why would you be hungry again within 6 hours?! Dr. Means notion that eating in the day is natural because of diurnal rhythms also is questionable. We hunt and gather all day and eat in the evening when the sun goes down and go to bed. That seems our natural cycle, if you were going to choose one way to live now in our modern civilization. OMAD at night is the best way to go. You stay alert and motivated all day, and when you wake up you have digested all your food and you are energized. Try it!
It’s funny you say that. I heard a doctor podcast I respect say the same thing. She didn’t trust her. I don’t see how any in the health field can suggest a novel health revolution without addressing the health elephant in the room that has killed and shortened the lives of millions. She never talks about how her profession has facilitated and been enriched by the poisoning of the human mitochondria with a forced novel pharmaceutical. She needs to address that before I respect her opinion on anything.
@@undefinedtygerpath4096 in case you aren’t aware, her and her brother just went on the Joe Rogan podcast to talk about this very issue. Would highly recommend listening!
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This clip is from the Huberman Lab episode "Dr. Casey Means: Transform Your Health by Improving Metabolism, Hormone & Blood Sugar Regulation". The full episode can be found on TH-cam here: th-cam.com/video/8qaBpM73NSk/w-d-xo.html
I started intermittent fasting 5 years ago with 16:8 I have always been diligent in my self care from a very young age. I was never overweight as a child but my extremely naturaly thin little friends would say I was fat or that if I ate a particular thing I was going to get fat. Even at this very young age maybe 10, I was determined to take control of this and I started not eating at all and experienced early stages of anorexia. I recall nearly fainting at one point. My mother begging me to eat. But thankfully my mother offered me a healthy alternative...she encouraged me to do aerobic exercise tapes at home with her which I o absolutely loved. Luckily I loved theatrics like dancing and singing...that combined with my extreme ability of extremel will power with eating a healthy diet provided me with a lifelong pattern of healthy eating and exercise. I also believe being a Capricorn helped. Lol. But now in my adult life, 5 years ago I happened upon this idea of intermittent fasting ...i immediately implemented this and it has changed my life forever. I started with 16 hours fasting and 8 hours eating which was challenging at first but i listened to my body ...something I learned to do at such an early age and continued with throughout my life... slowly over time the fasting became so much easier and then over the course of 5 years it became so much easier that my body no longer craved constant food...as I listened to it more ..i just easily increased the fasting window to 17, 18...and at times more leading me to the 1 meal a day on some days with complete ease. I don't even typically feel hungry. I practice very detailed self care every day. I walk 15k a day and add weight resistance 3 times a week. I make sure to get enough sleep every night, I eat a very nutritionally healthy diet with lots of organic whole foods though I do enjoy some sweets most nights as a treat but with moderation, and I also incorporate red light/ infrared light from 2 full body size panels also every day. I don't expose my body to sun without spf and also somewhat limit direct sun exposure but do get outside plenty including walks with a UVB umbrella. My annual bloodwork is exceptional according to my Provider. I really do believe in listening to your body....some days if I haven't had enough sleep my body is hungrier so I just eat earlier in that window.etc. I initially lost weight when I started fasting but now my body has settled in at the exact BMI that's considered healthy according to my height and current weight...it no longer fluctuates.... I no longer have gastrointestinal occurences and I feel healthy. I feel like intermittent fasting isn't even what I practice anymore..its just my lifestyle. I stay active all day and mostly forget I haven't eaten yet...but i do look forward to a nice balanced meal when it is time to eat. Maybe it's not for everyone but it certainly has been great and life changing for me.
Anything the FDA says to eat I just do the opposite. I recommend reading “Health and Beauty Mastery” by Julian Bannet, that book is a real eye opener about shocking stuff health industry is doing! I completely changed my habits
common sense is not given by fda. and in the era of ai and google, staying informed is not that hard.
Do you have a link to the book by Julian Bannet - I’m unable to find it on Amazon 😢 ?
Where can I find this for free?
Haha yeah I remember when “6 small meals a day spread throughout” became the standard. Now we’re saying the opposite.
I think the most important part of this clip is where she talks about "tuning in to your own body".
General guidelines of feeding windows are only that - guidelines, for the average person, without looking at any personal details.
F.e. fasting might be of advantage for people with an excess fat storage, but will be detrimental for any person lacking this fat storage - and there are more then one might think by looking at the "statistics for the average US-citizen".
I think that is very important to keep in mind. First and foremost think about your personal circumstances, and do not just take on every guideline that is thrown at you without adjusting it to your personal needs.
Well said.
Very nice...I have been doing fasting between 14 hours & 16 hours...It was difficult at the beginning...now it flows easier
Yup same here, took me 2-3 months to fully get used to it, been fasting for a yr now from 8pm to 11-12 morning
No food after 530 pm for years. The real cheat code for me is also twice a week fast mimicking protocol. I maintain adequate protein and nutrients just very low calories. I'm very active and most of my "wear and tear" symptoms are gone and have not resurfaced for a long long time.
In one of the ancient religion jainsim
Fasting is a way of life , eating period is after sunrise and before sunset .
after sunset you can only have to take water .
I have seen that elder ones who truly follows their vows live till 100 years of age .
I asked them whats your secret they said our lifestyle(which is eating after sunrise and before sunset ) , less stress ,less medications(increases natural immunity) ,pure unadultratedand unprocessed food is the cause .
Proud to be a jain
I'm doing keto and do a 4 hour window with no problems at all, I have energy and don't get hungry because of the diet. Amazing stuff!
Becoz of Keto people may aggressive if you take plant based food and fruits your soul become cool and comm
Ive been doing intermittent fast from 8pm to 11-12 in morning and i have kept the same weight i wanted to stay at eventhough i eat whatever i want to. But i also do workout 1hr every other day also. It def does work but you gotta also eat decently healthy or cut out some carbs but intermittent fasting does work. I only workout though, no cardio at all other than walking at work
If you have a 6-7 hr eating window, you’re basically “gifting” yourself 1-2 hrs of free time every day by not planning, preparing and cleaning up a 3rd meal. And I love it!😂
Imagine eating only once, when you are hungry. That’s what I do, normally around 5:00pm
In theory, but have no idea where those hours actually went.
Also, think about how your body isn't spending the energy to digest a third meal. That can go into cognitive or physical work.
I’ve always thought fasting is important for simply training your body’s ability go into ketosis and burn fat. This body system needs to be exercised like everything else.
When I am dealing with a stressful situation, is when "fasting" is most helpful. It feels like a superpower then. These are two people who clearly haven't experimented enough.
i am literary fasting due to laziness. >_>
10am to 5pm eating window only
I love how they say there was a study, but dont reference the name or publication where these studies can be found. Interesting
I do IF. 18-19 hours fasting. I eat breakfast between 11-12 and dinner around 5 most days. On days I don't I will go at LEAST 12 hours fasting and it is always 2-3 meals a day. NO SNACKING.
Quick question. The day time hours per say varies by a meaningful margin the further we go from the equator. Does this imply that if we eat with the day time hours concept, we would need to have a very restrictive food window in winter months , while the window can relax to 8 -12 hours in the summer months ? Does this seasonal variability help in any meaningful way ?
I don’t think daytime hours are as important as your circadian rhythm here. Generally speaking, its best to fast as many hours before your bedtime as you can, at least 2 to 3 hours, ideally 4 or more.
Can you speak on your interview with Dr. Stacy Sims, who basically says women should not do Intermittent Fasting or TRE? I’m honestly confused by the conflicting messages.
I agree with Dr Stacy Simms - eat soon after waking up to blunt the cortisol spike. I would delay eating until 11am/12 - I lost weight but had terrible anxiety overall and got headaches. I feel much better now eating breakfast, lunch and dinner all at normal times. 12-13 hours btween dinner and breakfast is enough of a 'fast' for me. Simms just calls it 'normal eating '!
Because nobody knows anything, and everyone is different. Find what works best for you.
I usually do a 6-8 hour window that starts at around 8 am and ends at 2-4 pm. My heaviest meal is easily breakfast and linner is light with tons of vegetables and beans.
You doooo?
Lun-din
Lunner
I have started doing a 12 hour kind of thing. I would like to do a 6-8 but I would have to eat work and I do not like feeling full and lazy at work.
Everything is "Context" specific. That's purpose driven. Even mathematics is specific. So, it's no use discussing some ambiguous generalizations. Fasting means to Speed up, Tighten up etc. Food is just one content in that.
Fasting causes people to be much healthier. That can not be tolerated because it seriously diminishes profits.
What if the same amount of kcal were eaten in a 12 hour window, but it was eaten in just 2 meals.
Examples 1 and 2, 0900 and 2100 or 0600 and 1800 No snacking in between.
I eat from 11-5 every day, little more carbs pre workout earlier in my day, low carb high protein post workout which is roughly 3:30-4:00 sometimes to 4:15ish. Eating last meal by 4:30-4:45. Feel amazing!
Way more flexible on weekends mostly to allow for friends family social type stuff but still super rare to eat before 9am or after 7pm.
I am the one who pointed and questioned about the intermittent fasting and cardio health risk...😊😊
Great clip and information...i definitely think thr 8hr window better. Thats what i strive for.
And thank you for clarifying the fasting study. I feel they would need to take in account personal information also . I believe other factors may be causing heart issue, other than simply fasting. But that is just my opinion.
Thank you for sharing .
Depends on what you’re eating,no?
I would like to know if there is any data on children and eating windows. At what point, ages, does a smaller eating window become feasible?
I think that just returning to what was done traditionally for kids and just have 3 meals a day without snacks will be extremely beneficial. Also eliminate all sugary drinks for kids including fruit juice and just give them whole fruits as desserts after they eat a high protein meal so you control their insulin spikes. Dr Lustig did a study at his UCSF obesity clinic in which obese kids just had the fructose in their diet replaced by glucose and it was a huge benefit to all the health markers of the kids. The only fructose that was allowed were the ones coming from whole fruits
Thanks
Thank you!
I don’t eat till 5 pm and then I grab my daily steak burrito from Chipotle. Get some! 🤘🏽
How does this work? Brft, going to work, 8.5 hours of work, going to the gym=10.5 hrs. I am hungry after the gym. How do you do this with regular work hours. Not everyone works from home or have flexible hours. Am i not suppose to eat brft if i work out after work? My brain doesn't start up without my brft. ????
I eat lunch and dinner. Lunch 11 to 12ish and dinner 6 to 7ish. I find it best to workout in the morning before work. If any of it feels like it won’t work, your body will adjust after about 3 weeks of doing it. Your body just gets accustomed to a schedule and it takes time to change it. When your brain gets used to doing things in a fasted state, it will become more efficient at doing them over time. I find myself being most productive when fasted between my 7 am workout and lunch. If you would have asked me to do that 5 years ago, I would have thought it was crazy.
#1 problem working from home. Fistful of chips = event.
im edging to this rn
Sorry, English is my 3rd language. What does she mean by 6-7 window?...4 meals at 6 hour window in 24 hours?
Yes exactly, she’s saying having a 6 hour window for consuming all your meals and let the body rest from eating during the rest of the day (18 hours) seems to be very helpful for your health. She also suggests this window to be close to the beginning of the day than after dark
@@sandroalmeida5811 ok, got it. so eating food in only 6-7 hours window and not eating anything after that. i was initially thinking she meant a meal after every 6-7 hour. Thanks.
Best way to go…
Intermittent fasting worked well for me for about 8 or 9 months. Then my body adjusted and I gained all my weight back. I continue to IF, but went carnivore 6 of 7 days. I’ve lost 20 lbs of fat and gained 10 lbs of muscle in 8 months.
Isn't having low blood glucose level detrimental to ones ability to focus and perform other cognitive functions?
Yes you are correct, there is lots of data that shows the brain literally functions better with food. IF became a marketing tool to make money. If it works for you great, but saying “you feel sharper when fasted” is just a placebo effect.
@@DocMurphtruly the opposite for me. I fast for 12 hrs, 6AM-6Pm twice a week. At 1-3pm was the hardest. But before and after that was awesome, you get in the zone and have more energy actually.
When I ate @6PM, my energy went down till about 8PM then level out.
@@Genesislights That’s great it works for you 👍🏻
Does coffee or tea count as an event?
No but only black and green
No sweetener or cream/milk……
@@Ranas-qm8vnif you’re a real one, you only drink black coffee and green tea anyways. 🤓
If sweetener contains no calories it isn't breaking a fast. Sheesh.
@@DarlinGuitar I don’t know. I believe the action of tasting sugar or sugar like substance is supposedly not good
My window has organically become 5-10pm. Although I'm worried about eating before bed and sleeping on a full stomach.
Go for a walk after dinner, it’ll cut your glucose from dinner so damage won’t be as much
Its best to have your last meal 2-3 hours prior to sleep, you stress your body by eating just before bed. Your body will become inflamed internally over night
I fasted for 2 yrs 16 hrs. All of a sudden I became thethagic and faint later in the day even after having a healthy lunch. Had to stop fasting.
Maybe there was a reason behind the fainting if youve been doing it for 2 yrs
You need to actually eat in your eating window. Real, nutritious Whole Foods like red meat and eggs and butter from grassfed cows.
A 6 hr feeding window isn't tough for me. That's exactly what I do nearly 100% of the time. You guys would shit if you could see a before photo of me compared to my avatar now. I'm 54. Started this in April 2023. If I can do this ANYONE can. Was 220lbs.....230 lbs during the start of covid. Now 174 but I have also added a lot of lean muscle mass so the overall weight would actually be less than that had I not gained this muscle.
Why does Huberman not want to acknowledge the benefits of fasting! It's ridiculous. He just hasn't done OMAD enough to adapt to it, I assume. Eating in a 6-hour window is easy, but doesn't make sense. Why would you be hungry again within 6 hours?! Dr. Means notion that eating in the day is natural because of diurnal rhythms also is questionable. We hunt and gather all day and eat in the evening when the sun goes down and go to bed. That seems our natural cycle, if you were going to choose one way to live now in our modern civilization. OMAD at night is the best way to go. You stay alert and motivated all day, and when you wake up you have digested all your food and you are energized. Try it!
Did you a click when talk about binge eating 😢😢
Hinduism is science based religion its says same thing 5k years ago
We do this type of fasting from sunrise to sunset in our religion Islam ☪️
During Ramadan.
And only eat once?
Just an observation - she waves her hands around an awful lot to express what she’s saying 😂
😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Andrew Huberman looks like someone with BMI of 30.
He should practice before he preaches.
I don’t trust her, way way way too much vocal fry. Look it up, but be careful because once you know what it is you can’t un-notice it.
Can you give an example not sure what vocal fry even means
It’s funny you say that. I heard a doctor podcast I respect say the same thing. She didn’t trust her. I don’t see how any in the health field can suggest a novel health revolution without addressing the health elephant in the room that has killed and shortened the lives of millions. She never talks about how her profession has facilitated and been enriched by the poisoning of the human mitochondria with a forced novel pharmaceutical. She needs to address that before I respect her opinion on anything.
This is strange, because different languages will have different degrees of 'vocal fry'.
@@undefinedtygerpath4096 in case you aren’t aware, her and her brother just went on the Joe Rogan podcast to talk about this very issue. Would highly recommend listening!
Andrew is always worth listening to but only if this lady had anything new or deep enough to sharr beyond her 2nd grader knowledge... What a waste 😏