MSI MPG X570S - Monoblock AM4 - Like Bob Ross, but with Motherboards!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, Windell builds with the MSI MPG X570s Carbon EK X to gauge how well Intel's Alder Lake might be! How many more pcs can he build before Intel's Alder Lake is finally released though? Well, I'm working on at least one more, so maybe 3?
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Intro and Outro Music: "Earth Bound" by Slynk
Other Music: "Lively" Lofi Type Beat
Level One Remembers TM
I recently purchased this board and it is amazing, it trade blows with boards that cost nearly double and looks great while doing it quietly, MSI really can make great stuff or really bad stuff.....no grey area with these guys.
My goodness, that CPU in the beginning has seen better days
Most reviewers only have the one they were sent for reviews because it's just really hard to find them out in the wild and, quite frankly, they're expensive and those extremely high performance parts are largely unnecessary for what he does, so it's unlikely that he's felt the need to try to procure more when most of what he's going to do is testing that doesn't require it to remain with a build indefinitely. 2020 and 2021 have been odd years for tech reviewers, because they just aren't able to get as many parts as they would have previously. The manufacturers just don't have as many to spare for review purposes, so you won't get multiple free components of the same model unless you can really justify the need to your sponsors, and for CPUs that can't be made to run in multi-CPU configurations, there just isn't a case to be made.
3:49 My inner Sheldon spotted a typo and can‘t contain himself… on the M.2 slots… lighining instead of lighTning … 3 times! Oh my dear lord! 😱
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed lol
On a board that expensive you then have to wonder if something as obvious as that got missed what else isn't quite right.
looks like Wendell is hiding behind the case while leak testing 😂
I sure do hope that the pad thickness thing was included in the manual and you just didn't read it rather than the alternative of it not being there and it being a really easy thing to screw up.
Assuming by 'VRMs' you mean MOSFETs! Also, according to an AMD rep there is no X570S chipset. There's just the X570. The silent part just has something to do with the execution of the mobo manufacturers. Would love more info about this tho', in case you feel curious. If I can push that last bit further, also interest in 'what if WE wanted to make our own motherboards?'. I think it's weird that there are only a handful of mobo makers. I'm guessing it could be prohibitively expensive for an outsider to build boutique boards for a profit but what if we wanted to anyway? Tech sites talk about the main (boring) parts of a motherboard but nobody goes into detail. There are so many other little things mounted on the surface that I don't know what they are. I'd want to try a minimalist one first, with anything unnecessary cut out but perhaps some of those things are necessary. And then around those you have a whole bunch of little resistors. Why? Thanks for doing all the R & D for me. much love.
Motherboards are immensely complicated, mostly because you've got quite a few circuit layers within any standard motherboard with vias connecting between the layers, so most motherboard circuits are designed using algorithms to plot the trace and ground plane paths based on the circuit diagrams. Luckily, with the continued development of ICs, there are fewer discrete components on motherboards, since more and more controller functions get rolled into single ICs. For instance, we no longer have keyboard controllers or separate storage controllers. It's all just handled by the chipset, though additional controllers are sometimes added to augment the chipset if there are features it lacks, such as for SAS controllers, 10Gb+ network controllers, etc.
If you want to try your hand at designing motherboards, I would look into ARM-based projects first, since they're much cheaper to buy components for and quite a bit simpler. You can still run Linux on most of them, too. Just be prepared to learn how to prep and solder SMB components, since they're very common on most motherboards for chipsets, ARM processors, and integrated RAM. Due to the relatively diminutive size of ARM processors and the other components for a Pi-like project, you probably wont need a board warming table to flow the solder balls for those SMB components, which makes it easier to experiment and practice.
Just make sure you read all the documentation for the components so you can be certain to add diodes, transistors, resistors, and capacitors, etc. as needed to comply with the needs of the various input and output lines of your ICs.
@@mndlessdrwer Thanks for the great response. Convergence is the exiting part really, with companies like Renesas/Intersil combining a bunch of components into 'power stages' and with specific offerings for Intel and AMD and in spite of a preference for the latter guiding my PCB design dreams, the more I look into things, the more appealing ARM is, for future-proofing and accessibility. Still, my own competency is a way off and, as you point out, things are quite a bit more complex than they appear on the surface.
I wish every motherboard had that PCI/M.2 layout. I hate that I have to pull my GPU out to reach 2/3 of my SSDs. Albeit, this is a first world problem.
Bob Ross was a good characterization of how a lot of this went :)
I have this and i must say, i’m gonng use one of the ports for 4k x then
Still bummed out 4k pro not having the better specs than 4k x
If you are ever especially concerned that your VRM solution isn't being cooled adequately in your monoblock configuration because of inadequate thermal pads (as unlikely as that is to be), you can always count on the FujiPoly Ultra Extreme XR-m thermal pads. At 17W/mK, it is 2W/mK more efficient at thermal transfer compared to other solutions. Now, that particular series of thermal pads is clearly overkill, as anything over 11W/mK will transfer more than enough heat for just about every possible configuration that requires thermal pads as the TIM, but if you really want that insurance, FujiPoly has your back, and I like that. I will put this out there, because I've made this mistake before: if you're planning to try to turn the thick aluminum chassis of your laptop into a passive heatsink for your laptop to aid in cooling the thing, do not - I repeat - do not use anything with over 6W/mK of transfer efficiency. The bottom of the case can and will get hot enough to scald or burn your skin if you do that. I tried using some 12.8W/mK thermal pads for this and had to quickly order something less efficient because it was trying to burn my thighs.
Wish MSI would have done something like this for X399 | TRX40. CPUs that could actually benefit from custom water cooling. This is a waste for a regular Ryzen CPU. You can cool 16 cores easy with a 360 AIO Radiator.
not when overclocked.... my 5950x pulls over 250w in cinebench and is kind of a bitch to cool. beats stock 2990wx at over 30k 4.65ghz/4.5ghz ccx1/ccx2
I really wish they did produce an mITX variant of this board as well as it could then pair very well with 2 rad CPU+GPU mITX builds - with the cramped cases having the almost all heat generating components within a LC loop could be far more beneficial than in those huge cases these ATX boards are put in...
It would be very cool, but I can't even begin to imagine how many layers thick that motherboard would need to be to push all of the M.2 to the rear of the board and provide adequate isolation from the front of the board. It would just be an insane feat of engineering and those severely overbuilt mITX solutions are more of an Asus and ASRock thing than an MSI thing. Still an interesting idea, though, and since Ryzen doesn't have the 8-channel RAM and loads of additional PCI-e expansion to lose out on compared to Threadripper and Epyc, an mITX solution does make more sense. I suspect it might require a daughter board for the VRMs like Asus did for some of their Z77-Z97 ROG Impact boards, since Ryzen's higher performant chips do like having loads of VRM phases to feed it particularly clean, ripple-free power.
@@mndlessdrwer Well MSI also does mITX so it's not like they're fresh to the game, and they could just as well go with either a basic of one M.2 by the CPU and PCIex16 sockets with the other on the backside, same as they're doing already, or they could go with a plastered/layered approach they and others used to put M.2 over M.2... Or even go for a SODIMM daughter board and have the two slots on the front in a slightly different format. Heck, if they wanted they could just as well go for a slimPCIe/slimSAS or similar connector to be used with either a to-multiple-SATA or to-U2/U3 connectors so that those 2.5" high-capacity and high-performance SSDs were used instead if they were afraid of M.2 heat or signal integrity on such a small board... There are dozens of approaches engineers could employ... and a few of those using the fron mounted daughter boards could allow for even connecting/employing LC of the slots as part of system cooling approach...
Yeah, exactly why mITX with full-coverage LC for high-end builds makes more sense, plus you can see that several of the ATX boards used for extreme tuning/oc are paired with only 2 DIMMs, exactly the regular DIMM limit of the mITX boards ;)
Heck if they wanted to go balls-out, they could just as well even drop the DIMM slots altogether and put some extreme chips at say 32/64GB capacity soldered to the board ;) Sure, it'd mean going the integrated route more akin to laptops and mobiles so the PC builders could not be very fond of, but if they played their cards right and got really good chips than their final product could very well sell despite such omission. Otherwise, they could even offer some kind of a dual RAM slot cooler connectable to the whole loop...
Of course there are dozens of engineering aspects that would have to be taken care of, but who if not them could prepare such a unique solution?
Would extra layers for signal quality/integrity or extra VRMs cost more? Sure, there's no denying, but same as high end ATX builds, great mITX builds also cost a lot, and if a board was made that clearly distances itself from the competition by offering same functionality (as per the limited size of the mITX factor) whilst also offering superior cooling and power delivery than the jump in prices could be very well accepted, same as for the huge eATX brethren. After all, nowadays the new Intel regular desktop boards are already pushing well into the $500+ regardless of size, so the possible price hike for mITX boards not having such a treatment explanation by PR teams is more or less moot - if they can do it in an ATX form factor with similar hike and in some cases even reduced overall functionality (due to focus on high perf high power OC needs), they might just as well do it in miTX. Heck, if that size is too small, why not go the same route they've already taken with all those XL/extended segments, and do a "deep mITX" akin to what ASRockRack did with their Epyc mITX, or as Asus did with their mDTX small board... sure it would have been better if mITX form factor was reached/available, but if they could cram more powerful and cooler solutions thanks to those elongated dimensions, than the market could very well accept it as it did for the huge sizes market..
Ryzen mobile is going to Zen3+ on TSMC N6 and Server is getting 3D cache. Not sure what, if anything AMD has planned for desktop.
So; no comparison of VRM temps, CPU temps, or any other relavent data...?!??
putting water anywhere near high end electronics just seems wrong. I'd like to know how a loop cooler stacks up against a top-end AIO, and also a top of the range air cooler like a Noctua
Love the title for this one!
Wendell: "What more could you want?"
Me: More? Just one.. One GPU. I can pay... No? Ok.
Ryzen is better than average for PCIe lanes, but without doing any PCIe Gen4 slot bifurcation, you aren't going to have enough lanes to accommodate more than one graphics card. For that, you'll want Threadripper. It would be nice to see some more manufacturers that offer inbuilt PCIe Gen4x16 slot bifurcation to PCIe Gen3x16, but it would need to run through a separate controller for that instead of just being directly connected to the CPU, which could cause other complications, so I can see why there aren't many companies looking to take that route.
sees title
sees recommendations
Wendell... do you want more people to start painting?
This looks fucking nice dude, the amount of time I've waited to upgrade. Fyi bulldozer 8350 / gtx 780 Nvidia driver bricked it so EVGA RMA'ed it for a 970 / DDR3! 16GB / 2T Spinning rust. I'm going to water cool. I have an aio Corsair 110i which I have never changed the thermal paste 😂 still runs fine at like 40 under load. I remember being a little worried breaking shit while building it I think water cooling will give me the same butterflies lol plus it will look awesome. The amount of money parts cost these days it better look a million dollars
ive seen 5.1ghz on my 5950x with a regular 360 rad and no overclock
Awesome video
2:00 get some physical pain from thermal pads placement
19:45 Oops, did we leave in a sync test?
Why is the background music made up of liccs is what I want to know?!
you should have tried using the leak tester to check if the intel leaks are true!
I don't need the water cooling, but the features on this board are otherwise compelling.
super first ?
I dunno, if Alderlake is faster I still won't be buying blue.
I got my Creative Annihilator Pro (GF1) in a box not much bigger than the card but heavy. Why? Because they included some 400 pages multi-lingual pointless "manual"!
At some point, you have to acknowledge how much single thread performance is even required? With an "old" 5Ghz 9900K and 4000Mhz DDR playing eSports titles, I don't know going beyond 200 or 300 FPS really matters? Conversely having a super high core density might be nice for CPU encoded game streaming, however this has to be like a 5% or even 1% use case for most people. A high core count workstation with heaps of RAM is nice for software development and MatLab, however still, must be such a small slice of users...
I think the Ryzen 5700G is an ideal solution for all-around consumer use. In fact, it's quite overkill for the vast majority of users. It is, however, a perfect option for people who want enough performance overhead that they won't need to upgrade for 5-7 years when using it for general computing tasks. I've found over the years that 4 cores is the absolute bare minimum for my needs, and I don't even game or do any particularly demanding encoding tasks. It's just that, if you want to have several programs open at once and an irresponsible number of tabs open in your browser, you do actually need that many cores. 8 cores has become the new sweet spot, and the fact that it is multi-threaded helps, especially with Ryzen's predictive buffer registers. I do suspect that the glut of high-powered CPU designs with loads of cores from AMD and Intel will inevitably have detrimental effects on the efficiency of application and encoding/decoding designs, but we will have to see. My current build with a 20-core hyperthreaded Xeon processor rarely sees more than 15% utilization during average computing, so I suspect I'll be fine for quite a while to come.
Background music feels particularly liccy today
14:08
I like how his face changes into serial-killer mode, once he actually needs to start building the PC hahaha
That's also my "Ok let's pick up work" after lunchtime is over. (Not making fun)
Can you install air cooler on it?
It‘s kind of funny that they put a noise little spiny-thing on a WATERCOOLED X570 Board 😁
_FAT_ block
_engagement_
"No this sucker's electrical"
14:51 lol
You forgot to edit out a part at like 19:42 - 4 claps
Wonder if you lose anything by using a 5700g and if you do why even have an HDMI output
HDMI is there so you dont have to use a GPU, without it you wouldn't have anywhere to plug the monitor into
That kind of (probably significant) money and no instructions for thermal pads?
(or Level1Techs so flush they don't care). :P
Weird that I've been watching a lot of Bob Ross lately...
Wendell. How many EK leak testers do you have now? 🤣
"More silent than it would passively cooled"
OCD triggered by old thermal paste
The only problem is that it is made by MSI... The UEFI most likely is not good even when I have not watched this video..
or not!
just air cool ffs.
Bad cut 19:40
Oh boy what a waste of money, the Board is shit. That pcie Layout is the worst thing ever. Strap a waterblock to a b520 board and this is the result.
I'd take this everyday over Linus' screeching voice.
Still, I think this is kind of a pointless product?, pretty much all the Ryzen lineup can be cooled just fine with a 240/360 AIO or a beefy air cooler. This should have been a Threadripper mobo, I have no clue what was MSI's idea with this motherboard.
Monoblocks on highend motherboards are stupid. And so is anyone who buys one.
Poor design if you need to sloppily place pads
You have no clue at all