As someone who built an S.L.I AM4 system the amount hate I get for using it is unreal. I have two rtx 2080 ti's in S.L.I on a MSI MEG ACE x570 with a ryzen 7 5800x 3D. No one builds what they want they always have to build what is recommended. which to me is boring.
@@kevinerbs2778bro you should have got a 6900XT what's wrong with you. I recently purchased a $400/400GB optane SSD so I also somewhat of a retard myself
@@kevinerbs2778 Interesting, what benefit do you get above and beyond using a single 2080, and in what.? How does the OS, and drivers handle SLI in 2024.? I thought it was dead and buried because of no Windows driver supports for any vaguely new version of Windows, so I assume that you are running Linux and custom drivers designed to allow SLI to function on a 2080 with an up to date version of Linux. I would live to hear from you about this. Many thanks.
@@ADB-zf5zr nope. Not running Linux. I'm running windows 10 right now. Anything that has dx11 as drop back can usually force A.F.R., with S.L.I perfectly. there are not many new games with the mGPU ability its like maybe 10 games. Only game with mGPU and raytracing is the shadow of tomb raider. Best game support though is Deus Ex Mankind divided. The two rtx 2080 ti match a rtx 4090 in 4K. I can choose to play the Witcher 3 in dx11 at 170fps with S.L.I or dx12 with RT at 32 fps on single card. The Witcher 3 game just looks darker in dx12 with RT on totally not worth it. Did you know all of RDNA support mGPU from the RX 5000 up through the RX 7000 series? You lose rebar with it enabled.
Back at the beginning of the Core era, there were HUGE gaming performance bonuses to the mobile chips ... I used an adapter back then to use it, and it was BRILLIANT.
The original core chips were an updated version of the Pentium 3... which would beat desktop P4 handily on real world tasks. Core2 was a full redesign with a 64 bit compatibility.
Pentium M CPUs were more efficient and had much better IPC than the Pentium 4 but they overall matched their equivalent market range Pentium 4 atleast from what I seen of the reviews of the Asus CT-479 adapter back in the day, I really would have loved to have seen Intel cancel Prescott and instead have tweaked Dothan for performance and released that on the Desktop, if Dothan had been tweaked for a more clock speed optimized cache and had been packaged properly for the Desktop they probably could have gotten it up to 800 and 1066MT/s(for EE) bus speeds and also higher clocks probably would have been an A64 killer other than the lack of 64-bit support which really for the first several years of A64 was really a non-issue for most people as 64bit had many compatibility caveats and unless you needed tons of RAM for specific intense server workloads or CAD and scientific workloads there was no reason to run a 64bit OS.
@@brandonupchurch7628 More/Less, Dothan had problems with higher clock speeds. -Addressed in later Core and Core 2. Intel was very focused on 'Ghz Marketing', and Northwood->Prescott 'delivered' (to the marketing dept.). Hence, AMD 'getting away with' their "Performance Rating" model system; it was (largely) accurate, especially in the pre-K8 era.
I believe it was celeron M on an Asus 478 adapter, it was the performance king because Intel was still pushing netburst on desktop. The core chips came later and were inspired from those mobile chips. Crazy that the enthusiasts changed the engineering direction of global company.
This is a big part of the market in south america. "Interposer" kits are a cheap alternative for people looking to build decent systems on a budget (prices may not make sense for americans, but here usually stuff are twice as expensive), so we have basically 2 alternatives, Xeons, and interposers. I've built a xeon system for a family member wich is happilly running it to this day, and never built one but have quite some interest in "interposer" kits with cpus, usually engeneering samples, similar to 10th or 11th gen laptop i7s and i9s.
Why are your prices twice as expensive?... Even in Russia with all the sanctions on tech, the markup is usually 10%-20% compared to MSRP paying for all the weird schemes to circumvent the sanctions, and often there is no markup at all. What are those additional fees paying for in your case?
@@NJ-wb1cz very high import fees. Taxes added by local government. So anything that comes from china and other suspects, skirting the import fees, is much cheaper than legally imported hardware
I also love the ingenuity of these companies when they repurpose hardware in such creative ways (the "destktop" AMD Rx 6650m often comes to mind). I'd probably wouldn't buy them (since I can get stuff in warranty and better specs for similar prices), but it is quite awesome that these components are getting used.
Everyone remember back in the classic Athlon and Athlon XP days when there wasn't an IHS and we always did "direct die" cooling?? Ah, the good 'ole days.
Yes. And the CPU coolers were these terrible clip on things which easily fell off during transportation and banged up the whole motherboard, if unlucky.
More likely they were CPUs pulled off factory reject laptop boards. Some manufacturer had a large run of rejects on high performance boards and scrapped them. And someone grabbed them out of the bin to rework and make some money.
It blows my mind that the 11800h wasn't offered in a desktop variant. The 11900k was on 14nm with 16mb of cache but the 11800h was built off of 10nm with 24mb of cache. My son has the 11800h in his laptop and it runs games WONDERFULLY.
Going to be interesting to see how these laptopchips really perform when you don't have power or thermal limits the way laptops almost always do. And I wait with baited breath for the news the current Intel laptop CPU are not in fact any more durable or really any different at all to the desktop, its just the laptop boards don't have the powerbudget to let them fry themselves in a few weeks...
Looks like you want a Clevo with a desktop socket. And then a mutant laptop to desktop conversion 😂. That's what I'm working on. Its a 6-9th gen 1151 Clevo with a sample 10980HX converted to a desktop chip. Only because I found a 165w $350 RTX 3080 MXM card, and a place in China selling a massive aftermarket heatsink for it. Even had a water loop option in addition to heatsinks, which I passed on (perhaps foolishly)
@@foldionepapyrus3441 Might not be official (there's probably nothing stopping a no name Chinese manufacturer from making an MXM card from a spare mobile 3080 die in the same way as those ITX boards with directly soldered BGA laptop chips)
@@bosstowndynamics5488 True, somewhat of a challenge with how many support components a gpu requires, but its very possible. However if there is no machine to put it in there is little point. Does this mean as surely it must there are chinese boards that have MXM I've never heard of or something similar too?
Those might be the only 13th gen i9 without the latest Intel power issues. Might be different eoungh from the desktop lineup that they don't share the same problems.
Intel has to add those CPUs microcode in the desktop bios to make it works. That means those chips are somewhat similar with the desktop counterparts, so that they may share the microcode.
I have an i7-4960HQ soldered to use in a desktop CPU usage. Very cool! I didn't know they are still doing it. Really tempting to get CPUs like this. Would be cool if someone did that to AMD laptop APUs
It would be even more wonderful if somebody managed to make a 13900HK version of this. With fewer CPU cores but really fast integrated graphics, it would make for a pretty ballin, tiny PC with an InWin Chopin case or something like that.
I did this back in the day with my AMD Barton 2500M on a standard desktop motherboard! Was surprisingly close in performance to my standard Barton 2500+
I love this type of "coloring outside the lines" setup, and I love the giddy laughter in relation to testing Intel mobile CPUs. Can't wait for more bad Intel news!
Reminds me of the sketchy China-Sourced desktop Pentium MMX 300s. They were mobile parts repurposed for the desktop, and need super specific motherboards to even function.
They've been doing it for a while. There were 9th gen that fit 6th gen boards. I'm personally curious if they can make 12+gen work in lga1200/1151. There's probably no electrical reason why not.
I'm in china now. Just picked 1 up. Cost around 170$ with the bracket. Now i will be looking for a motherboard. Prices here for that kind of thing is very cheap.
Could you test it with 2xDDR-5? I assume direct-die offer pretty low core temps? Could you test max clock benchmark P and E cores in OCCT or Linpack something like this?
It kinda reminds me of the days when you could buy an AMD Mobile Athlon CPU and just stick it into a desktop PC as a budget solution. But with those, the XP-M CPU's could just plug them right in to a Socket A motherboard. Here, the mobile CPU is just soldered together to a desktop adaptor.
See I really want oem mobile cpu to be cross compatible with desktop boards like they use to be way back in the day so that for silent gaming enthusiasts you would get great performance and silent.
modern CPUs are low idle power already so the only difference here is power budget. Most of the power at idle is burned by the motherboard itself and you would not solve that using a laptop CPU.
@@redtails Not really, because mobile chips at minimum are binned for higher performance at lower voltages or at least that is the way they use to be. As far as I know it is how ryzen mobile and intel core ultra mobile chips work is the chips needs to support the desktop class speeds stability with less power draw. So undervolting a desktop chip to get the desired wattage could cause instability where a mobile chip of that wattage and class will run fine.
@@marcogenovesi8570 I am not after low idle power I am after chips that perform well with low peak power which tends to be mobile gaming cpus, at least on the amd side, intel pulling a 150w off a mobile cpu is crazy amount of power. I am not here to fan on amd as I know older intel mobile cpus were better than amd at mobile power efficiency and things have sort of reversed.
Wendell is one of the very few people that can say a lot without saying a word. You know exactly what he's saying just by the tone of his groans. I appreciate that very much!
Yeah I had one of those too at some point around the millennium, thing weighed about 4Kg if memory serves to have the cooling to handle it. Think it was a pentium 4 desktop chip... Great machine other than if you ever put load on it the battery was good for only handful of minutes - but would last an hour or two on the low stress loads.
I remember desktop workstations with a Pentium IV in it. They were a bit power reduced, but fingers started to smell like grilled sausages when typing on it and the sound of a harrier jet.
i've seen these laptop-to-desktop CPUs on aliexpress for years, but have always been to skeptical to spend my $$ on it. Thanks for this video, now I know it's a feasible option.
It's feasible, as I have an Erying Intel Core i9 12900H MATX mobo in my main rig with a 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz RAM, 512GB SSD boot, and a Power Color AMD RX 6650XT 8GB GPU, just don't overclock it too much, and use a down firing CPU cooler to help also cool the vrms, and RAM in a case with good airflow, and a fan controller as they have limited fan headers, then you'll be fine. it also works really well on Manjaro Gnome with the latest Kernels as well.
@@CommodoreFan64until you get engineering sample with pci-e issues that slows down gpu performance or run your windows on chinese crap uefi bios with half broken tpms 😮 Just not worth the risk compared to modern i3 setup just change board,ram,cpu when needed... i3 is plenty fast for most people
@@mmuller2402 They clearly mark their listings for ES, and non ES chips, and I've got 2 of the boards, the first one I MYSELF fried trying to overclock it too hard, and the BIOS was not the most easy thing to figure out but I got it figured out as it's in English, and the 2nd board they have update the BIOS, and it's no harder to use than any other board I've owned since the AMD Athlon days of the mid to late 00's with DDR2 RAM.
Received a QTJ1 (10980HK I believe) a couple days ago and it's running fine in a MSI H170 Gaming M3. I do have to shove 1.4V into the RAM to boot with 2400MT/S though.
Intel literally admitted that the microcode update wouldn't help and thus far tests have proven it really won't. These CPU ideas were interesting in the past but Intel just isn't viable anymore.
Hmm, I bet some people are going to be interested in running benchmarks on these to find out how capable they really are without trash Laptop cooling. Der8auer is prbly already in the starting blocks.
Very nice of you to bring it up. I bet most people are not aware of this. That being said, we did this years ago with the B250/Z270 platform. With a BIOS mod and soldering/shorting the "chip enable" pin for the socket, 8th and 9th gen CPUs could be used. For maximum value 6-8 core mobile chips like the 9000H/HK series on LGA1151 adapter could be bought off eBay for $50-100. I got the feeling most did it just because Intel claimed it wasn´t possible and that a new motherboard was required. It was at that point Intel went from just greedy to totally untrustworthy a-holes in my opinion.
the best one ive found is the QTJ1/QTJ0 mobile chips, they are 10th gen? mobile chips that work on LGA1151 sockets. With a modified bios you can use them, not all boards work but many do. not a half bad way to upgrade to 8 cores on a budget.
I have a 12980hx or something 4.9 Ghz works fine. Just like desktop. This is my main computer. UNDERVOLTE!!! YOU'LL NEVER REGRET IT!!! I've got tons of expirence in this so much fun.
I have the 13850HX in my work laptop. I hate the dang thing...but that is because it is in my laptop. Having it in a desktop would probably be insane. The dual blower fan runs at 70-100% constantly.
Watched this on a 6 core 9th gen laptop CPU in a Z170 board. This has been a thing for a while and it's glorious. edit: Wait there is no mention of BIOS modding? Is that not necessary anymore?!
Last time I checked these Engineering/Qualifying samples for the 13th/14th generation CPUs have problems with the PCIe off the die only being able to link at 2.0 speeds. Did you test those?
Would be super neat if we had CPUs that were interchangeable between laptop and desktops in the future. Using a socket like the LPCAMM2 and direct die mounting, it would open up for more possibilities with upgradable laptops and desktops. It would also be great for repairability too.
Ram support seems dodgy... however it seems the socketed "mutants" have full PCIE x16 support compared to the soldered Eryings often only having x4 or x8 support... I would LOVE a full on pro/con between the HX erying and the HX socketed mutant.
The “well chat” put me through so many emotions, at first I was like did he just say that to be funny, and then it took me a second to see the chat on the side and then I was like OK wait it’s real, and then the chat disappeared in the next clip and I was like wait is it not real?
Considering the big deal everyone was making about the 0.7mm lower z-stack height that LGA 1700 has compared to LGA 1200, this might be a good opportunity to use the LGA 1200 spacers that came with your cooler.
That's quite interesting. If you could get these BGA2LGA adapter PCBs separately and you had some knowledge of BGA reballing, you could get defective notebooks for little money and give the CPUs a new life in a desktop without them ending up in the landfill. And the second advantage would be that these would not be engineering samples. The adapter PCBs probably wouldn't even be very expensive, I think you could possibly save even more money that way.
This reminds me how much I wish we'd get some crazy MB manufacturer to come out and make special MBs that use interposers and such to make MBs that are cross-generational beyond what CPU makers design for. (A glorious future would be having fully fiber optic boards so that pcie, ddr, etc. isn't limited and we can have even longer lasting MBs)
Over $200 for not even a QS is pretty much DOA. It's pretty crazy that 10 years later the haswell-e platform is still the best sketchy/enthusiast setup for someone who wants a lot of performance but doesn't want to spend a lot.
There’s also power draw to consider, especially if you live in the EU or anywhere with expensive electricity, or just want to use less power for whatever reason.
I love the idea of repurposing laptop chips into something else. Too often you have a perfectly functioning CPU but other parts of the motherboard make the system not work so the idea of desoldering a laptop CPU, soldering it to an adapter and using it in a desktop is a really good idea from an environmental impact point of view. I want to see more of this type of repurposing.
That looks like a lot of fun! Missing the real tinkering today. Back in the days we had silver paint or something like Speed Strip SSA-1 for example. Real tinkering!
I have the B660m-ITX/ac board from asrock, it's very close to this one. (gen 4 m.2, slightly more usb) VERY happy with it. Both my wife's machine, and my machine have it.
Makes me wonder how long before we see compression attached CPUs with interposers -like CAMM does for memory so no pins to damage on either expensive cpus or motherboards. Could potentially use the same package soldered via bga for lower z-height in notebooks, or using an interposer in desktops.
Man what a video. Talk about making good use of what would end up being e-waste. I've subscribed. Looking forward to that next board, let's dance Wendell!
I argue that this is the future. You get better cooling perf with it being direct-die, you don't need an ILM so mainboards can be cheaper by not including it, and there can be a standard for both Intel and AMD with backplates and screws of a specific length to bottom out so installation is fool-proof. Good stuff. Now if only there were an AM5 Ryzen version of this…
Man, I'm sorry, I've known about you for a long time but I've slept on your channel. I would just watch here and there when something in the industry was going on.
the 12900hx laptop chip with the ihs warps the motherboard quite heavily even with the washers they get you to add to the mounting system because its still way too thick
I was kind of under the assumption that motherboards needed to explicitly support a given CPU? Like I assume that I couldn't put a 5600x3d into my am4 motherboard without updating the bios, if the most recent update only added support for the 5800x3d - even it it booted, would it not be likely to have stability issues? It's absolutely mind blowing to me that you can drop a laptop CPU into a desktop motherboard without using a sketch bios
Tech channels have all but fogotten the "fun factor",tinkering/experimentation is a fundamental part of custom pc building tech,or WAS,imo.
As someone who built an S.L.I AM4 system the amount hate I get for using it is unreal.
I have two rtx 2080 ti's in S.L.I on a MSI MEG ACE x570 with a ryzen 7 5800x 3D.
No one builds what they want they always have to build what is recommended. which to me is boring.
@@kevinerbs2778bro you should have got a 6900XT what's wrong with you.
I recently purchased a $400/400GB optane SSD so I also somewhat of a retard myself
@@kevinerbs2778 Interesting, what benefit do you get above and beyond using a single 2080, and in what.? How does the OS, and drivers handle SLI in 2024.? I thought it was dead and buried because of no Windows driver supports for any vaguely new version of Windows, so I assume that you are running Linux and custom drivers designed to allow SLI to function on a 2080 with an up to date version of Linux. I would live to hear from you about this. Many thanks.
@@ADB-zf5zr nope. Not running Linux. I'm running windows 10 right now. Anything that has dx11 as drop back can usually force A.F.R., with S.L.I perfectly. there are not many new games with the mGPU ability its like maybe 10 games. Only game with mGPU and raytracing is the shadow of tomb raider. Best game support though is Deus Ex Mankind divided. The two rtx 2080 ti match a rtx 4090 in 4K.
I can choose to play the Witcher 3 in dx11 at 170fps with S.L.I or dx12 with RT at 32 fps on single card. The Witcher 3 game just looks darker in dx12 with RT on totally not worth it.
Did you know all of RDNA support mGPU from the RX 5000 up through the RX 7000 series? You lose rebar with it enabled.
Huge reason I love Wendell. He is my computing generation :)
Wendel is out here promoting alternative lifestyles.
Vendor fluid
Lol
@@RichardFraser-y9t 😂
bye-bye binary, hello try'nary
i did too experiment a lot during college
Wendell is the only person who scares Intel more than Tech Jesus
Tech Jesus.. haha who could that be? lol
why would Wendell tell Intel that this even exists in the first place?
Wendell is the real Tech Jesus.
No he isn't....
No he isn't.
Steve is tech Jesus and wendel is tech GOD
Back at the beginning of the Core era, there were HUGE gaming performance bonuses to the mobile chips ... I used an adapter back then to use it, and it was BRILLIANT.
The original core chips were an updated version of the Pentium 3... which would beat desktop P4 handily on real world tasks.
Core2 was a full redesign with a 64 bit compatibility.
Pentium M CPUs were more efficient and had much better IPC than the Pentium 4 but they overall matched their equivalent market range Pentium 4 atleast from what I seen of the reviews of the Asus CT-479 adapter back in the day, I really would have loved to have seen Intel cancel Prescott and instead have tweaked Dothan for performance and released that on the Desktop, if Dothan had been tweaked for a more clock speed optimized cache and had been packaged properly for the Desktop they probably could have gotten it up to 800 and 1066MT/s(for EE) bus speeds and also higher clocks probably would have been an A64 killer other than the lack of 64-bit support which really for the first several years of A64 was really a non-issue for most people as 64bit had many compatibility caveats and unless you needed tons of RAM for specific intense server workloads or CAD and scientific workloads there was no reason to run a 64bit OS.
@@brandonupchurch7628 More/Less, Dothan had problems with higher clock speeds. -Addressed in later Core and Core 2.
Intel was very focused on 'Ghz Marketing', and Northwood->Prescott 'delivered' (to the marketing dept.).
Hence, AMD 'getting away with' their "Performance Rating" model system; it was (largely) accurate, especially in the pre-K8 era.
One of manufacturers had a mobile CPU-on-desktop motherboard as well. So no adapter was neededl. I think it was AsRock with mBGA 479.
I believe it was celeron M on an Asus 478 adapter, it was the performance king because Intel was still pushing netburst on desktop.
The core chips came later and were inspired from those mobile chips. Crazy that the enthusiasts changed the engineering direction of global company.
What in Oblivion is THAT?!
*Distant Wendell Giggling*
Papa Pat: "I said: NEXT. PRISONER."
Finally a use for laptop CPUs 😏
This is a big part of the market in south america. "Interposer" kits are a cheap alternative for people looking to build decent systems on a budget (prices may not make sense for americans, but here usually stuff are twice as expensive), so we have basically 2 alternatives, Xeons, and interposers. I've built a xeon system for a family member wich is happilly running it to this day, and never built one but have quite some interest in "interposer" kits with cpus, usually engeneering samples, similar to 10th or 11th gen laptop i7s and i9s.
Brazil import fees are brutal
Those old xeons are remarkably good for the price.
Basically 6th gen but better than most 8/9th gen for most multithreaded tasks including gaming.
@@myne00 those Skylake Xeons with 10 cores were wild for the time and price.
Why are your prices twice as expensive?... Even in Russia with all the sanctions on tech, the markup is usually 10%-20% compared to MSRP paying for all the weird schemes to circumvent the sanctions, and often there is no markup at all.
What are those additional fees paying for in your case?
@@NJ-wb1cz very high import fees. Taxes added by local government. So anything that comes from china and other suspects, skirting the import fees, is much cheaper than legally imported hardware
I also love the ingenuity of these companies when they repurpose hardware in such creative ways (the "destktop" AMD Rx 6650m often comes to mind). I'd probably wouldn't buy them (since I can get stuff in warranty and better specs for similar prices), but it is quite awesome that these components are getting used.
Everyone remember back in the classic Athlon and Athlon XP days when there wasn't an IHS and we always did "direct die" cooling?? Ah, the good 'ole days.
Yes. And the CPU coolers were these terrible clip on things which easily fell off during transportation and banged up the whole motherboard, if unlucky.
Zero over heat protection, it as like barebacking the whole cheerleading squad.
😮
@@hyperturbotechnomike I too broke many machines that had the the Arctic Freezer 7 built in em :D
My 3000+ Barton core reminds me
More likely they were CPUs pulled off factory reject laptop boards.
Some manufacturer had a large run of rejects on high performance boards and scrapped them.
And someone grabbed them out of the bin to rework and make some money.
When you get more support from a random seller on Aliexpress than Intel themselves.
It blows my mind that the 11800h wasn't offered in a desktop variant. The 11900k was on 14nm with 16mb of cache but the 11800h was built off of 10nm with 24mb of cache. My son has the 11800h in his laptop and it runs games WONDERFULLY.
it didn't fit the LGA 1200 socket, that's why they had cut the 10 core version and strip some of the cache.
You can get the Erying versions. Spotty virtualization support, but everything else seems to run just fine.
@@MaxIronsThirdthat's just not true at all
Going to be interesting to see how these laptopchips really perform when you don't have power or thermal limits the way laptops almost always do.
And I wait with baited breath for the news the current Intel laptop CPU are not in fact any more durable or really any different at all to the desktop, its just the laptop boards don't have the powerbudget to let them fry themselves in a few weeks...
Looks like you want a Clevo with a desktop socket. And then a mutant laptop to desktop conversion 😂. That's what I'm working on. Its a 6-9th gen 1151 Clevo with a sample 10980HX converted to a desktop chip. Only because I found a 165w $350 RTX 3080 MXM card, and a place in China selling a massive aftermarket heatsink for it. Even had a water loop option in addition to heatsinks, which I passed on (perhaps foolishly)
@@milescarter7803 there were 3080 MXM made at all?!?! I thought the idea died before the 20 series was even really in full release mode.
@@foldionepapyrus3441 Might not be official (there's probably nothing stopping a no name Chinese manufacturer from making an MXM card from a spare mobile 3080 die in the same way as those ITX boards with directly soldered BGA laptop chips)
@@bosstowndynamics5488 True, somewhat of a challenge with how many support components a gpu requires, but its very possible. However if there is no machine to put it in there is little point.
Does this mean as surely it must there are chinese boards that have MXM I've never heard of or something similar too?
@@foldionepapyrus3441 I got curious and looked it up, apparently Clevo still uses MXM and the 3080 parts seem to be built for their systems
Yaaay cpu socket adapters! This opens up sooo Monday possibilities! Intel be looking at Steve and Wendel real nervously right about now
"Legit bananas." Need that on a tshirt....
9:35 XD Like you didn't call Tech Jesus the moment you ordered one of these monsters!
Those might be the only 13th gen i9 without the latest Intel power issues. Might be different eoungh from the desktop lineup that they don't share the same problems.
Intel has to add those CPUs microcode in the desktop bios to make it works. That means those chips are somewhat similar with the desktop counterparts, so that they may share the microcode.
I have an i7-4960HQ soldered to use in a desktop CPU usage. Very cool! I didn't know they are still doing it. Really tempting to get CPUs like this. Would be cool if someone did that to AMD laptop APUs
Well, since AMD does this themselves already, I'm pretty sure they'd clamp down on whoever, even in China, would try to monetize that.
Strix point halos on desktop would be crazy. Imagine RTX 4060 performance in an Inwin Chopin
"These are great little parts to do some weird testing. This is a threat."
It would be even more wonderful if somebody managed to make a 13900HK version of this. With fewer CPU cores but really fast integrated graphics, it would make for a pretty ballin, tiny PC with an InWin Chopin case or something like that.
Would want something like this for the Strix point halo series
13:40 The 'hm' at the end 🤣
In🩹tel
I did this back in the day with my AMD Barton 2500M on a standard desktop motherboard! Was surprisingly close in performance to my standard Barton 2500+
I love this type of "coloring outside the lines" setup, and I love the giddy laughter in relation to testing Intel mobile CPUs.
Can't wait for more bad Intel news!
Reminds me of the sketchy China-Sourced desktop Pentium MMX 300s. They were mobile parts repurposed for the desktop, and need super specific motherboards to even function.
They've been doing it for a while.
There were 9th gen that fit 6th gen boards.
I'm personally curious if they can make 12+gen work in lga1200/1151.
There's probably no electrical reason why not.
I'm in china now. Just picked 1 up. Cost around 170$ with the bracket. Now i will be looking for a motherboard. Prices here for that kind of thing is very cheap.
Could you test it with 2xDDR-5? I assume direct-die offer pretty low core temps?
Could you test max clock benchmark P and E cores in OCCT or Linpack something like this?
I swear, Wendell is at the top of his game. I click his new videos reflexively. Thanks, Wendell.
I like these videos where Wendell is pitching out mad science
It kinda reminds me of the days when you could buy an AMD Mobile Athlon CPU and just stick it into a desktop PC as a budget solution. But with those, the XP-M CPU's could just plug them right in to a Socket A motherboard. Here, the mobile CPU is just soldered together to a desktop adaptor.
The spiritual successor of slotckets.
See I really want oem mobile cpu to be cross compatible with desktop boards like they use to be way back in the day so that for silent gaming enthusiasts you would get great performance and silent.
Yup. My second intel cpu ever was a mobile cpu running on desktop motherboard.
just take the desktop chip and put the tdp to like 45W. it's that easy
modern CPUs are low idle power already so the only difference here is power budget. Most of the power at idle is burned by the motherboard itself and you would not solve that using a laptop CPU.
@@redtails Not really, because mobile chips at minimum are binned for higher performance at lower voltages or at least that is the way they use to be. As far as I know it is how ryzen mobile and intel core ultra mobile chips work is the chips needs to support the desktop class speeds stability with less power draw. So undervolting a desktop chip to get the desired wattage could cause instability where a mobile chip of that wattage and class will run fine.
@@marcogenovesi8570 I am not after low idle power I am after chips that perform well with low peak power which tends to be mobile gaming cpus, at least on the amd side, intel pulling a 150w off a mobile cpu is crazy amount of power. I am not here to fan on amd as I know older intel mobile cpus were better than amd at mobile power efficiency and things have sort of reversed.
Wendell is one of the very few people that can say a lot without saying a word. You know exactly what he's saying just by the tone of his groans. I appreciate that very much!
"Just kidding we're already talking" was delivered flawlessly. 😂
Made my day, thank you
Wendell took the credit card to Aliexpress. This is gonna be awesome.
I am guessing we would get a 14th gen variant of this eventually the processors being ES units does become a bit worrying.-
Tech doing what it was never designed to do is the best kinda content, your Aliexpress tech experiments are awesome thanks!
lol my first laptop was kinda the opposite - 1st gen Athlon 64 Compaq Presario that used a socketed *DESKTOP* processor in a laptop. Ran hot as hell.
Yeah I had one of those too at some point around the millennium, thing weighed about 4Kg if memory serves to have the cooling to handle it. Think it was a pentium 4 desktop chip... Great machine other than if you ever put load on it the battery was good for only handful of minutes - but would last an hour or two on the low stress loads.
I remember desktop workstations with a Pentium IV in it. They were a bit power reduced, but fingers started to smell like grilled sausages when typing on it and the sound of a harrier jet.
Yeah I once had some TI laptop with full desktop socket 5 Pentium 1 inside, but they weren't that power hungry so it made sense I guess.
If it was truly the opposite it would have been a desktop CPU soldered with an BGA adapter.
@@Loanshark753 touché. Ok, not completely opposite but similar idea.
I LOVE this kind of thing. Perfectly usable, even VERY GOOD parts, being affordable, fast, and getting new life. I love love love this.
i've seen these laptop-to-desktop CPUs on aliexpress for years, but have always been to skeptical to spend my $$ on it. Thanks for this video, now I know it's a feasible option.
It's feasible, as I have an Erying Intel Core i9 12900H MATX mobo in my main rig with a 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz RAM, 512GB SSD boot, and a Power Color AMD RX 6650XT 8GB GPU, just don't overclock it too much, and use a down firing CPU cooler to help also cool the vrms, and RAM in a case with good airflow, and a fan controller as they have limited fan headers, then you'll be fine. it also works really well on Manjaro Gnome with the latest Kernels as well.
@@CommodoreFan64until you get engineering sample with pci-e issues that slows down gpu performance or run your windows on chinese crap uefi bios with half broken tpms 😮
Just not worth the risk compared to modern i3 setup just change board,ram,cpu when needed... i3 is plenty fast for most people
@@mmuller2402 They clearly mark their listings for ES, and non ES chips, and I've got 2 of the boards, the first one I MYSELF fried trying to overclock it too hard, and the BIOS was not the most easy thing to figure out but I got it figured out as it's in English, and the 2nd board they have update the BIOS, and it's no harder to use than any other board I've owned since the AMD Athlon days of the mid to late 00's with DDR2 RAM.
Received a QTJ1 (10980HK I believe) a couple days ago and it's running fine in a MSI H170 Gaming M3. I do have to shove 1.4V into the RAM to boot with 2400MT/S though.
@@itIsI988 Are those ready for the H170 or do you still need to hardmod the board?
I dont think I have laughed harder than after the GN Steve joke than in any video in a long while.
Intel literally admitted that the microcode update wouldn't help and thus far tests have proven it really won't. These CPU ideas were interesting in the past but Intel just isn't viable anymore.
i love people who properly use the terminology of how something can be sketch
Recommendation for removing the retention mechanism, just put the CPU in the socket itself, no way to accidentally drop a screw on the pins.
Hmm, I bet some people are going to be interested in running benchmarks on these to find out how capable they really are without trash Laptop cooling.
Der8auer is prbly already in the starting blocks.
Wendell is such goof and I love it. Also, nice jams at the beginning of the video
Very nice of you to bring it up. I bet most people are not aware of this.
That being said, we did this years ago with the B250/Z270 platform. With a BIOS mod and soldering/shorting the "chip enable" pin for the socket, 8th and 9th gen CPUs could be used. For maximum value 6-8 core mobile chips like the 9000H/HK series on LGA1151 adapter could be bought off eBay for $50-100.
I got the feeling most did it just because Intel claimed it wasn´t possible and that a new motherboard was required. It was at that point Intel went from just greedy to totally untrustworthy a-holes in my opinion.
The new intro music threw me for a loop.
Since it doesn't properly report to the system what cpu it is
Could you check if kernel anticheats complain?
the best one ive found is the QTJ1/QTJ0 mobile chips, they are 10th gen? mobile chips that work on LGA1151 sockets. With a modified bios you can use them, not all boards work but many do. not a half bad way to upgrade to 8 cores on a budget.
6:33 looks like a good old Socket 370 cpu to me. They roughly had the same shape. Only the Tualatin ones came with an IHS.
The first s370s had a tin lid.
Coppermine was bare.
Tualatin had the lid back.
please fullscreen the browsers on the panels behind you my god man
This sort of China low power option is honestly one thing I've always found so interesting like born out of necessity, too funny
There was speculation that we'd have soldered on desktop CPUs, now we have mobile CPUs with a desktop socket interposer.
I have a 12980hx or something 4.9 Ghz works fine. Just like desktop. This is my main computer. UNDERVOLTE!!! YOU'LL NEVER REGRET IT!!! I've got tons of expirence in this so much fun.
2 more people already bought it, according to the listing and its only 30min since upload
I have the 13850HX in my work laptop. I hate the dang thing...but that is because it is in my laptop. Having it in a desktop would probably be insane. The dual blower fan runs at 70-100% constantly.
Also on power saver, I get about 60-70 minutes of battery life.
Watched this on a 6 core 9th gen laptop CPU in a Z170 board. This has been a thing for a while and it's glorious.
edit: Wait there is no mention of BIOS modding? Is that not necessary anymore?!
Last time I checked these Engineering/Qualifying samples for the 13th/14th generation CPUs have problems with the PCIe off the die only being able to link at 2.0 speeds.
Did you test those?
Website says validated to 4.0. 5.0 tested but not validated yet as of this reply.
Intel is just happy that people will be buying these self-destructing CPUs from a source where no warranty applies.
LOL!!!!! You got me
Memory issues.
EVGA Z690 Dark and Z790 Dark Kingpin coughs and raises hand!
AVX-512 on 13th Gen P-Cores, did you hear that MATLAB student edition?
Matlab?
Would be super neat if we had CPUs that were interchangeable between laptop and desktops in the future. Using a socket like the LPCAMM2 and direct die mounting, it would open up for more possibilities with upgradable laptops and desktops. It would also be great for repairability too.
I'm currently using ASRock's H670M-ITX/ax, and I just love it. 👍🏼
I wish board partners had done more with the H670 chipset. 🙄
Ram support seems dodgy... however it seems the socketed "mutants" have full PCIE x16 support compared to the soldered Eryings often only having x4 or x8 support... I would LOVE a full on pro/con between the HX erying and the HX socketed mutant.
I'd seen another video showing that a discreet GPU was limited to PCIe x16 (x4). I'd like to know more about this.
Ok since we you have it in hand, please investigate its memory issues, use a 4 dimm board even with ddr5
9:59 It was 11;34 when you recorded that. What an ominous symbol to put in the video. Probably hell testing all those chips, ain't it?
China has been doing these for years. Amd versions with the newer apus would be nice
The “well chat” put me through so many emotions, at first I was like did he just say that to be funny, and then it took me a second to see the chat on the side and then I was like OK wait it’s real, and then the chat disappeared in the next clip and I was like wait is it not real?
I'm a HUGE fan of laptop cpus on desktops I hope we get more and more of this kind of stuff
Used mobile i9-9900k engineering sample for almost 3 years .
Even overclocked it on b365 😊
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Considering the big deal everyone was making about the 0.7mm lower z-stack height that LGA 1700 has compared to LGA 1200, this might be a good opportunity to use the LGA 1200 spacers that came with your cooler.
That's quite interesting. If you could get these BGA2LGA adapter PCBs separately and you had some knowledge of BGA reballing, you could get defective notebooks for little money and give the CPUs a new life in a desktop without them ending up in the landfill. And the second advantage would be that these would not be engineering samples. The adapter PCBs probably wouldn't even be very expensive, I think you could possibly save even more money that way.
Looks like they sell a lot of older mobile-to-desktop converted CPUs as well. I might actually have some use for that
This reminds me how much I wish we'd get some crazy MB manufacturer to come out and make special MBs that use interposers and such to make MBs that are cross-generational beyond what CPU makers design for.
(A glorious future would be having fully fiber optic boards so that pcie, ddr, etc. isn't limited and we can have even longer lasting MBs)
Motherboard with pogo pin style clip down sockets exist in industrial use and the run some wired intel cpu. I bet they are just mobile ones 😂
Over $200 for not even a QS is pretty much DOA. It's pretty crazy that 10 years later the haswell-e platform is still the best sketchy/enthusiast setup for someone who wants a lot of performance but doesn't want to spend a lot.
There’s also power draw to consider, especially if you live in the EU or anywhere with expensive electricity, or just want to use less power for whatever reason.
I love the idea of repurposing laptop chips into something else. Too often you have a perfectly functioning CPU but other parts of the motherboard make the system not work so the idea of desoldering a laptop CPU, soldering it to an adapter and using it in a desktop is a really good idea from an environmental impact point of view. I want to see more of this type of repurposing.
I remember back when people would intentionally buy socketed mobile CPUs because they overclocked so well.
I'm not joking all of a sudden the GPu has a ram laptop style to be mimicked so fast the CPU would train it
I love how excited Wendell gets about tech.
That looks like a lot of fun! Missing the real tinkering today. Back in the days we had silver paint or something like Speed Strip SSA-1 for example. Real tinkering!
Linus bashed this approach in their local builder challenge. Makes you rethink how resourceful this guy was to build in more profit in his build.
Better like that than a landfill.
*excited Wendell noises*
do you need an MSI z690 motherboard to enable AVX 512? Exactly like 12th gen?
Keep up the the good/intresting work, love your solo insight clips
got a burnt out 13th/14th gen cpu and a motherboard that needs a cpu?
I hope they make one for ryzen AI 9 HX or strix point halos
I have the B660m-ITX/ac board from asrock, it's very close to this one. (gen 4 m.2, slightly more usb) VERY happy with it. Both my wife's machine, and my machine have it.
Can't we just get back to having an option to pick low power CPUs as well for SFF desktop?
This is very cool way of re using laptop cpus
The nervous laughter was hilarious :D :D
Makes me wonder how long before we see compression attached CPUs with interposers -like CAMM does for memory so no pins to damage on either expensive cpus or motherboards.
Could potentially use the same package soldered via bga for lower z-height in notebooks, or using an interposer in desktops.
Man what a video. Talk about making good use of what would end up being e-waste. I've subscribed.
Looking forward to that next board, let's dance Wendell!
What a fun thing to experiment with, what a find! Have fun Wendell
I argue that this is the future. You get better cooling perf with it being direct-die, you don't need an ILM so mainboards can be cheaper by not including it, and there can be a standard for both Intel and AMD with backplates and screws of a specific length to bottom out so installation is fool-proof. Good stuff. Now if only there were an AM5 Ryzen version of this…
Are you sure these 13th gen have AVX512 with e-core off? Can you show us a pic please
Assumedly, ES are pre-lasered
Man, I'm sorry, I've known about you for a long time but I've slept on your channel. I would just watch here and there when something in the industry was going on.
Pentium M socket adapters . . . Man, those days were fun!
the 12900hx laptop chip with the ihs warps the motherboard quite heavily even with the washers they get you to add to the mounting system because its still way too thick
I was running a i7 4950HQ in a Z87 ITX board for my HTPC at 4ghz for years on a 120MM AIO. It was great. 128MB L4 cache was...interesting.
I was kind of under the assumption that motherboards needed to explicitly support a given CPU? Like I assume that I couldn't put a 5600x3d into my am4 motherboard without updating the bios, if the most recent update only added support for the 5800x3d - even it it booted, would it not be likely to have stability issues? It's absolutely mind blowing to me that you can drop a laptop CPU into a desktop motherboard without using a sketch bios