First impressions of MSI's new X570S motherboards
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Timestamps:
0:59 MEG X570S ACE MAX
15:07 MEG X570S UNIFY-X MAX
24:20 MPG X570S CARBON EK X
+ 26:25 MPG X570S CARBON MAX Wi-Fi (For comparison and for the manual since they are mostly the same but the EK X has a waterblock on the VRM)
32:41 MPG X570S EDGE MAX Wi-Fi
43:02 MAG X570S TOMAHAWK MAX Wi-Fi/TORPEDO MAX(the only difference between them is that the torpedo has dual realtek lan ports, while the tomahawk has a 2.5gig lan port)
thank you
Thanks!
Torpedo has 1G Realtek + 2.5G Realtek LAN, Tomahawk has WiFi 6E + 2.5G Realtek LAN
Their official pages quote different vrm setups. Anyone know anything about the Torpedo Max VRM?
Thank you!
That low pcie slot layout on the unify, it's to make it easier for GPU and CPU double loop water coolers. It stops your VGA loop runs getting in the way of your cpu loop runs, or having to deal with silly short joiner tubes. People on water cooling forums asked for that. Then you don't care about obstructed airflow and you're really dealing with 1~1.5 slot blocks. I kind of hate it too, but I appreciate why it's like that, given the market for those boards.
I hadn't thought of that.. makes sense...I figured it was an excellent candidate for using a riser cable and a vertical GPU
Lets get ready to rambleeeeeeeeee....!!!!
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MSI actually trying to give quality components in their mid to high range motherboards is why I ended up getting a MAG B550M Mortar after having a sour taste left in my mouth from the ASRock B450M Pro 4 and B550m Steel Legend boards that I bought. I tried out the Asus TUF Gaming B550M Plus but the lack of fan headers and some odd issues with the BIOS had me doing an exchange. It's better now with the recent BIOS updates but I'm not building another AM4 system anytime soon. I do like the ASUS config as I would rather the Sound Blaster card live above the GPU rather than the last PCI-e slot on the bottom of the board. The 1220 sound chip is quite good though so I may just ditch the SB card and put in a capture card rather than going external.
I started using the owners manual to shop for motherboards because of you buildzoid...its the way to go!
Was almost going to buy the Tomahawk X570S. Subscribed because you saved me a lot of heart ache.
That MSI UNIFY X looks like it was made for vertical GPU setups...I imagine the M.2's wouldn't cook in that arrangement
Summary videos from you would be the greatest thing ever
I put the new X570S tomahawk in my new build. So far I’ve been really happy with it- it’s been great.
I didn't say it's bad I said it costs too much for the feature set.
Decided to splash out and make my rig the final-form AM4 - got some Viper BCTD bin sticks off eBay and then, less than an hour later, I happened across an X570S ACE MAX.
This, with my 5800X3D, means that this system should outlive ME🤞🏻
41:10 it's a good slot for not feeling like you're wasting any capabilities by sticking an rs-232 card in
Just saw your vid a few days after building a new computer with an MSI X570s Edge Max Wifi. Mated it with the Micro Center exclusive Ryzen 5 5600X3D cpu, an XFX SWFT 319 Radeon 6800XT, and 32GB of ram. Probably be tweaking for the next month or so, but initial test runs of KEBAL SPACE PROGRAM 2 are AMAZEBALLS!!!! My old machine ran it at about a frame per second at times. This thing is running it on 4K with all the settings maxed and it's maybe dropping to around 29 fps. Great hardware.
just got the carbon max pro for my 5900x... this board is awesome and very underrated
Whoever made the S Unify boards really has an unhealthy obsession with M.2 slots. PCIe slots are a lot more useful, especially for a light workstation build with the 5900X or 5950X.
you don't need a 2 slots board and memory speeds higher than 2 x InfinityFabric e.g. 4000-4200MT/s for a light workstation build with the 5900X or 5950X at all.
so these boards don't make any sense but for extreme PC enthusiasts with no budget restraints and A LOT of games to install on NVMe-s.
I guess most that would want a workstation would go with threadripper honestly
@@rawdez_ Sure but if I had several thousand dollars to blow on a CPU+Mobo+a crapton of NVMe, surely I would just go for a X299 build...
It's not really a top end board either, missing stuff like 10GbE or 5GbE among other things.
And it's not really a XOC board either because, well, where PCIe slots.
I just don't really understand who is supposed to buy these. Gamers with unlimited budget? X570 Godlike, C8E, Xtreme are a thing. Need fast storage for a very specific workload? PCIe x16 > NVMe cards are a thing, just slap some of them on TRX40/X299.
RAM XOC? B550 Unify already exists, and is a significantly more practical board for just about everybody.
The only niche the board fills is, huh... Extremely fast storage with very good RAM overclocking, except to use the storage you're gimping everything else, and same with the high ram frequency.
@@IK4MS so these boards don't make any sense, period)
That's why there are other boards in the lineup. It's there to give you the option if you wanted it. The same guy designed the Ace and the Unify. There was originally going to be a Unify non-X Max too, but they decided there were too many SKUs.
I got the X570 Tomahawk (not the S) for the fact that I wanted as many USB ports as I could get in my budget, decent quality, and...well, that was basically it. It was about $330AUD when I got it. I've been using it for somewhere between 12-18 months, and I'm replacing it now because my needs and desires have changed, heading to the X570 Creation, also from MSI. I had a bit of a scare when after keeping an eye on it for a little while it started to disappear from some stores I'd been checking on, and has apparently been discontinued? It may be an $800AUD board, but between the 3 full length PCIe slots (not electrically, but that's fine), 10GbE on board (not important right now, but it will be soon as I'm filling out my network and building a home server setup), and more USB than I can even imagine using right now (my Tomahawk is full and still has more things I have to trade in and out at times). I managed to find a store on Amazon with 3, and figured I'd get it now while I could. Plus, I took the opportunity to get a 5900X at the same time, since I'd be having to repaste the CPU/cooler anyway; may as well make it more worthwhile for the times I work on more multithreaded workloads. A far cry from the Intel 3770 that I was running 18~ months ago, but it's going to be good not to have to think about it again. That and the CPU I've been running will go great in my AM4 server board when I build that out for the home server. It's never a waste when the old hardware can be reused and already has things planned for it.
i got my gigabyte b550 pro v2 on your recommendation awhile back and its a beast. runs my 5800x 1900 if and havent tried 2000 yet but with my high end b-die when i get time ill push it to that.
Glad to hear that
"I don't think you can get a dual LAN B550"
You can. The B550 Tomahawk has dual LAN. It also happens to be almost identical to the X570S Torpedo in branding and featureset, including the PCIe and M.2 slot layout.
The X570S Torpedo is a more expensive B550 Tomahawk with 2 extra USB ports, 2 extra power stages, and slightly higher bandwidth to its lower slots.
whats the point of dual LAN anyway? its useless, just get a dual/multi-WAN router instead and it will be WAY more useful
X570s, unlike fan-cooled X570, has a 7W TDP.
@@rawdez_ for network storages and servers.
@@WilliamChoochootrain for network storages and servers - just get a dual/multi-WAN router. or a 2,5-5-10Gig network card.
@@rawdez_ why get a network card or a new router when it's already on the motherboard? It's just a convenience thing man.
It's like saying "why have Wi-Fi built into the mobo at all? Just get a Wi-Fi card."
What're your thoughts on the asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero?
I usually stick with asus for the software convenience, but it's starting to get really disappointing that until now none of their X570 boards have more than 2 m.2 slots, other than the ProArt, which doesn't have a post code, and the Extreme.
It appears nowhere in the literature, but the X570S ACE MAX has a manual dual-BIOS.
How they could leave such a feature out of the instruction book is incomprehensible!
Very much looking towards your videos in the next few months. Can't wait to see how the new gigabytes, msi, and asrocks perform. Asus seems to be pulling the ekwb move, good for zen 1, zen+, and kinda been sitting on their ass for zen 2 and 3 while still charging a premium for their meh products. There's an X570S Dark Hero though. It's msrp is higher (450$), but can actually be bought at msrp in this side of the ocean though. People still seem to be buying the non-S C8DH and it's going for >500$, amazon, newegg, or elsewhere.
For the unify-x, if they really want so many damn NVMe SSDs, they should really do 16/8/12 pcie slots, and include a x12 pcie adaptor card to 4 x4 M.2. 12x shouldn't be a bottle neck as its isn't possible to fully utilize all 4 m.2s simutaneously through the chipset lanes anyway. There only really ever *needs* to be 1 M.2 directly on the board, directly to the cpu. The amount of board space M.2s take up on some of these boards is wasteful.
Heck, they're already doing x16/8/8 and including a 2 x4 M.2 card on the ACE MAX. Just go the extra step and spend a few more dollars. These are 350-450$ boards, none of them should be compromising on such simple i/o. This is a super annoying issue for me as so many otherwise good boards are a non-option since I can't use my other cards in them.
Already having an add-in m.2 card from my H97 and Z97 (I love switches) boards is why I decided to go with the Torpedo Max. I'd never have a use for the x4 slot otherwise and I also already had a relatively new Intel AX200 based wifi card. Plus the PCIe 4.0 chipset-cpu connection was pretty much a must - with the extra m.2 slot+expansion card I'd have my H97 DMI bandwidth issues all over again.
While I appreciate integration - past component failures on boards+lack of features on LGA1150 (and having had a Gigabyte X570 UD) means that I have ample good add-on cards and I'd rather use them.
x570s carbon max wifi is fantastic. Glad I bought it
1-hour videos always cure anything
I LOVE the changes to the 570S Unify-X. In my opinion they are moving the video card away from the MEMORY. I love this idea as I can put in a PCI Slot cooler above the video card to cool the bacdkplate.
Just to be clear, my 3090 is watercooled and the backplate gets HOT. getting distance from the memory and having some slots above it for putting in fans. I also have 5 M.2 SSDs lol
I really like the board, but am holding out hope that they'll release a four-DIMM variant.
@@Kerrathul yeah this board was designed specifically for you then. Do you run RAID on your nvme drives?
I bet it’s going to be at least $600 usd
Would you expect to see subtiming stability increases from the updated topology? don't really have a reason to run above 4000mhz daily since fclk can't keep up
I looked it up in the UniFi Max his 3 m.2 directly to the processor that you can raid 0. I have not yet experienced boot from nvme gen 4. I can only imagine what 3 nvme in raid 0 would be like. Would it be as fast as recovering from sleep on x470? (-post time)
Wow, was that an Hour, if it was I'd say the best D**m hour I ever spent learning. I had purchased an MSI MEG B550 Unify-X, and returned it. Thankfully your guiding light review is extremely, "Well Done!" , better yet "Great", I needed a wake up and I smell the Coffee, plus it's 4PM and coffee time Thinking of this review, about, MSI MPG X570S Carbon Max made it worthwhile watching your Videos . P.S I am "Subscribed" and already had "Clicked", the Bell to watch all your Videos for past, present and hopefully future reviews and lessons. Sadly class is dismissed, Maybe I'll find out how to overclock on one of your lessons. Thank You Very Much, I appreciate and respectfully enjoy Actually Hardcore Overclocking.
I don't know what it is, but I kind of like your voice, kind of nostalgic and relaxing
And here I am with the MSI x570 meg ace normal version + a 5900x under a 240mm aio I haven't played with overclocking though
just got the ACE MAX. pairing with 5950x ryzen 9. question, some liquid coolers offer 4 point mounting systems for AM4 socket. Should i get one of the coolers compatible with with the 4 point AM4 bracket or just get a solid cooler with a standard AM4 hook style bracket. I was going to use my current 280mm rad but its over 3 years old, so at least half of its life is over. I will now be using a 360mm rad which will offer mounting challenges but i am confident i can overcome that. Thermaltake mk-1 case, current setup is rad mounted above the case/top case fans with only the fan shroud concealing the Rad. I love that i was able to do that to keep Radiant heat away from components in testing this improved ambient temps inside the case. With the 360mm though i would have to cut a small piece of the fan shroud. 1" of rad would poke out of the back of the fan shroud/case. OR I mount it internally and just will have to accept the fact internal temps will run a degree or 2 higher.
have you seen the asrock b550 pg riptide? i have heard good things about it but would love to hear your imput on it
The bottom pcie slots can still be used, you can get a riser cable.
I got a lot of sata ssds, and would want a board with enogh lanes to acces several sata drives, + at preferably 2 M2 ssds, and this is why the X570 is there/makes sence with 2M2 slots i belive, since most B550 boards wouldnt do 4-5+ Sata SSDs + 2 M2 Drives, esp if the M2 was PCI-E 4.0, and future may need that if RTX I/O (MS direct storage thingy) comes into play soon. currently i am on Z390, and i am considering to swap for X570S + Ryzen 5k-3D cache AM4 versions, if that is an option so i can keep my DDR4 and save some cost that way.
Pretty sure someone has built a m.2 to pcie riser adapter. Might not work with all m.2 slots, but I seem to recall hearing about one.
@Buildzoid I want your advice for a motherboard upgrade. Having a 3900x and 2 kits hynix cjr g.skill 3600C16D-16GTZNC that don't even run stable at 2733 on my crappy Asus x370 pro I have. This motherboard is a terrible ram overclocker. I am between aorus master x570 (rev 1.0) and MSI x570s max carbon wifi because of similar price. I heard you saying that for 4 dimms gigabyte is better but MSI with it's new memory shielding maybe is as good as gigabyte now. I don't want to reach extreme frequencies I want just to oc the ram max to 3600mhz with the lowest possible subtimings. What motherboard of these 2 will be the best. Aorus master (rev 1.1) is 100 dollars more than the other too. It's out of the question.
They actually have M.2 to PCIe adapters... But, there mostly used on old laptops that have no dGPU.
I just want to know a thing that's confusing me . Which one should i buy" Asrock B550 steel legend or MSI x570 torpedo msx" for 5000 series cpu. I want to build a new rig . Please response my question! Thanks for advance.😊
Hi man! What's better - X570S Tomahawk or X570 Aorus Ultra? What would you choose? Many thanks!
What is the benefit of dual LAN? To use your PC as an extension of you router or something?
Please review the new X570 Ausus rog crosshair extreme Vlll. It looks great
The unify x max is a thoroughbred workstation motherboard. Pretty sure the m2 setup is for NVMe RAID. High IOPs use cases
you're going hit the limit of the chipset bandwidth NVME raid arrays.
But you don't even have the lanes for it...
Also surely a lot of RAM would be more useful for those use cases than some *very* marginally faster timings.
I know it’s a year late, but I just got the x570s carbon max wifi from Newegg for $230 after $10 discount and $30 mail in rebate. I know the new am5 is the cool new thing, but I think this board will keep me in the loop for several years.
Me too
Thinking of getting the X570s Carbon Max or the Asus Dark Hero, anyone have any thoughts on either?
They're advertising 5800 MHz on the Unify-X.
Check out that $800 x570 Crosshair VIII Extreme for us. I heard it has dual bios and a better memory layout
It would be nice if they could finally give us a release date for these boards :/
I’m struggling to understand why more GPU slots are better than storage. Is SLI being reanimated from the dead?
6 M.2 slots! Holy shit!
Given the choice between the X570s Aorus Master and the X570s Meg Ace, what would be your preference?
I’ll definitely want to play with overclocking, but consider me a normie.
5900X / 3090 / Trident Z Neo 2x 16GB
I got the MSI x570s Carbon Max Wifi with ~289 dollars here in the philippines by using your recommendation of course. The vrms and multple nvme slots sold the board for me and the minimal rgb it has (only a small carbon logo and a strip of led near the io) is tasteful for me (too much rgb is works the opposite imo).
How is the board running for you? Was there any trouble with it not supporting Ryzen 5000 series out of the box? I just bought one of these last night and am putting a 5600x into it and am nervous if it will have to have the bios updated to use the chip
@@anthonylong5870 x570s is good to go for 5000 series
@@NectarGaming Hey fam, what cpu did you pair with your X570S Carbon Max Wifi? Are your VRM thermals okay? MSI's X570 Gaming Edge Wifi had horrible thermals so I'm hesitant to buy an X570S for a Ryzen 5950X. But the X570S Carbon Max is the only one that fits my I/O port needs and budget at the same time. I'm looking for second-opinions before pulling the trigger but there's very few reviews out there of it.
@@kamikaze00007 I got a 5800x on this board vrm are 45 degrees celsius and its hot out here in my country (no Airconditioning in my room). Chipset socket does not exceed 50 deg celsius and cpu socket is 43 degrees (noontime) very cool board overall and good power delivery for high end cpus
your right they did change something, like the price.
For Z590 memory overclocking, would you recommend the Apex or the Unify-X?
I haven't tried either of those.
is it actually worth buying the x570 or the x570s?
Lol nooo u didn’t like my tomahawk max Wi-Fi 😭 lol. I did get it for 250$ instead of full price
18:50 I never understood motherboards who has the pci_E2 / E3 so far down, it's impossible to fit a GPU without suffocating the top one or destroying the cables/ports at the bottom.
It's to make water cooling loops easier and more aesthetically pleasing. Otherwise all you GPU and CPU loops' tubing gets in the way. If you are going dual GPU water loop, you have 1 slot water blocks, maybe 1.5, but it makes it much simpler to have your tube runs not getting in the way. Given the market for those boards, a lot of them will be full water cooling builds.
Maybe the X570S Godlike will have a proper clockgen for blck overclocking and DDR VTT.
it's not about having a clock gen. The X570 chipset freaks out when raising the BCLK.
MSI x570s edge Vs gigabyte Aorus Pro? Whatcha reckon
As long as we don't fill the board with more than 4 sata ports for ssd/hdd, thats a waste when you already have m.2 slots.
Hey BuildZoid is the Dark Hero worth getting for it's dynamic OC function or can the MSI x570S ACE compete with that function also? I've been debating between the upcoming, refreshed x570S Dark hero CrossHair VIII (or) the X570S MSI ACE . 🤔
Thank you!
Ps.
I've been waiting for this ty sm! Can't wait to see your thoughts on ASUS's refreshed line up. (X570S CrossHair VIII Extreme) 😉
Keep up the good work educating us one VRM at a time! Cheers!
So far the only ASUS 4 dimmer I've tried has been a massive disappointment. Also the active OC switcher IMO isn't really worth it because you end up running into basically having to do the exact same stability validation that you would for a static OC except the 5000 series can actually pull even more power than 3000 series and so depending on your stress test of choice you really don't get to push much past PBO.
Can I put a r7 5800x in this without having to update the bios ?
Hi! I'll need a ram option for 64 GB on Msi Meg X570S Ace Max because I'm not an expert and I'm not sure if single rank, double side or dual rank is better, while I was thinking to 3600 mh as I saw in this channel for unify x, but I'm not sure cause the motherboard is not the same. It's some day I ask here and there and nobody answers me, I don't know why, and the internet lacks of informations.
I trust in your help.
Thanks for time and patience.
Because we all need a max of 48 Tb worth of NVME storage. Just throw some 8 Tb drives in and we're off to the races boyssss
@Casix03 I almost wanted to buy that board because I have the other two Unify boards and they're great but I seen that pcie slot layout and was kinda disappointed but at this point their is a board for everything I guess
Hey Buildzoid what do you think of the "Creator/Prosumer" workstation boards like the ProArt series by ASUS, the Gigabyte Vision D, boards with Thunderbolt 3/4 and stuff like that? Cause i'm a creative type, looking for a mobo that has both I/O and Good VRM/memory Topology and apparently that combo doesn't really exist. So i'd love to hear your thoughts
X570s Pro Art is a large upgrade over all of its competitors. Even gives the OG X570 Creation a run for its money. If you need TB4, that's the board you need. Also all X570S are Daisy Chain because it is easier to tune.
@@tangfranklin1730 I do mostly music production so TB is useful for external drives and some periphs, my concern is with audio chipset. even tho i wilk use an external dac/amp, spdif passthrough still has to be good though.
There is nothing wrong with the layout of that edge motherboard. But true about that last PCI-e 16x slot could be just a normal 1x slot instead. Maybe msi did that purposely, just to look the board optical better. Boards splitting the first GPu SLot to 2x 8 doesnt make any sense to me.. The bandwith then is the same as a regular 3.0 x16 slot.
For future gpus which could support gen 5.0 is better to have a faster 4.0 gpu slot at 16lanes. Then there shoudnt be a problem with 5.0 x8 cards in near future.
there's 1 gpu you can use in the m.2 slot if I remember correctly, the asrock m.2 gpu that linus had shown in his old vid
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Really hope Asus does an AM4 Apex...
I have a B450 Gaming Pro Carbon with a 3600x. I still get random hot boot issues where the board just refuses to post after a restart, and gives a VGA error on the LEDs. I just need to power off, then power on and it'll boot, but in MSI's bios revisions, one of the first revisions they did was to make it more compatible with video cards. I have a 1070 Ti MSI Duke. You'd think they'd be able to figure out how to make their motherboard compatible with their own video card. Their latest BIOS revision changed the profile format, so all my memory timings saved on my USB drive didn't work any more, and I'd either have to flash back to load the profile and get the timings, or just say screw it and use the XMP default. I used the XMP default. MSI is not on my list of future board suppliers.
I too got burned on that same mobo but I picked up the x570 unify last year and it’s like there was a different company who made it. They can make good shit but… wait for reviews
Same board, same cpu, no issues here. I've run r9 380, rx 5600xt, rx 5700xt, no issues. Ive spent tons of time playing in the bios.
@@JonathanSias that's not a Duke 1070 Ti though is it?
CTRL-F is your Friend in the Manuals. ;-)
Hey BuildZoid,
Is there anyway to measure the efficiency of VRM power conversion / setup?
I'm not talking about PSU efficiency, but the average operating efficiency of the VRM converting power to actual work while under a various range of CPU loads?
there is but it's incredibly difficult to do and pretty invasive of the motherboard.
You can roughly work it out based on the spec of the power stages. Buildzoid does it in a few of his in-depth motherboard reviews. This does have limitations though, in that some motherboard manufacturers (mostly Biostar) screw up the design of VRMs that are very good on paper and end up being horrendously inefficient anyway.
The most reliable way to measure how good a VRM is, is to measure how hot it gets. Hardware Unboxed have a load of detailed reviews where they test this for different motherboard models with a range of different CPUs. Heatsink design can have a lot of impact on this though, so isn't necessarily the best source if you just want to know how good the VRM itself is while ignoring other factors of the motherboard design.
Waiting for the asus overview
21:35 M.2 graphics cards exist, but with no 3D support whatsoever.
Funny thing that you seem to avoid it, as it has been what you havent liked before in motherboards, but every single one of these new MSI boards have a Realtek LAN ONLY.
I personally like that my internet doesnt cut out and want there to be Intel one at all times. Just cant get these boards cause of that only as a streamer and a content creator.
the thing is I don't actually have a test method for NIC reliability and my experience with realtek NICs is from 2015. Also the early intel 2.5Gb NICs had all kinds of issues so I've just decided to not talk about the NICs because without evidency I have nothing worth saying about the modern 2.5Gb NICs.
next one i will get is 1 without chipset fan !!!! stupid noise ! (gigabyte 570 ultra ver. 1 that i have is making noise were i get a headage from ) now i got a fan blowing on it a bit, keeps it around 57 celcius then.
00 code yet everything works fine... anyone here experienced that?
MSI loves making pointless X570 boards that shouldn't have been given X570 chipsets. The first time around they even released a few crap X570 boards that ran most the slots off the chipset at PCIe 3.0 speed (and had terrible VRMs for their price).
try lowering your 1 P 8 CPU voltage 200 or so millivolts! this will totally knock out your overheating when you overclock!
I like MSI, however You have to look out for their chip placement !
I bet you're just glitching out the temperature sensor.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking MSI's temp sensors function just fine! though they still put really cheap junk, on most consumer electronics.
@@__--JY-Moe--__ no I mean the sensors in the CPU.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking AMD makes a superb product! the processor runs a voltage test during it's boot cycle. if it's not configured properly, it want boot! but undervolting the 1P8 cut's the heat down on the cpu & the ''chipset''! also alows u 2 OC @ 4.5-5Ghz..good luck if U get a X570 cs! & the ram can also oc up to 500-1k Mhz..got 2 know what u'r doing though! ram is more challenging..
@@__--JY-Moe--__ look like you have no idea who you talking at xD
Impatiently looking forward to AM4+, X599, AM5, X670, X699.
Takk!
DAMN IT! I was going to BUY that MSI MAG X570S Tomahawk Max WIFI. It's on sale for 245 USD! EVERY channel like yours AND YOU have been DROOLING over this Motherboard, well the one WITHOUT S ... The MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WiFi. I don't care about RGB or anything like that, I JUST want the best board and I can be happy with just 2 M.2 slots. But want PCIe express 4.0 and ... GODDAMMIT now I'm EXHAUSTED. :( The ACE MAX costs MORE THAN ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero 435 USD right now AND ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (WI-FI) 520 USD right now here in Sweden.
*Hides away with his Asus Prime X470-Pro*. I'm not home!
On like half of the mobos, where am I supposed to stick a soundcard and a NIC? Mobo NICs are usually flakey (Realtek) and onboard sound, tested it once, not for me.
me: set fan to "silent" and undervolt the chipset.
hello aorus elite x570""""s""""
Buildzoid and I ARE best friends :)
When half of your new motherboard lineup is a series of glorified B550 Gaming Carbon WiFis but more expensive and the other half is likely over 350 dollars
Msi sure likes
Aking x570 boards, the OG, quite crappy south of the Ace, the redemption with the unify and the tomahawk and now the x570S , but i shall thank them i get more mobo vids from bz
You sound like Matthias Wendel
MSI is allergic to CPU PCI-E lane bifurcation. I think anything Carbon and lower is 16x CPU, 4xSB.
Motherboard manufacturers: No one wants or needs 6x m.2 slots. 2-3 max. Give us PCIe slots.
GPU manufacturers we don’t need sli/crossfire so you’re welcome.
Asus dark hero or this
Ikr! Haha 🙏 would be cool to see an ACE vs. Dark Hero
MPG X570S CARBON MAX Wi-Fi shows how shitty the ASUS motherboards are.
all good motherboards, to bad the new AMD CPUs come out next year with a new socket type and these motherboards will be worthless upgrades for me at least, rip
Looks like msi is trying to look like the asus boards to me.
Literally all the boards looks the same now. Black gray and slanted lines. RGB killed motherboard visual creativity.
X58/P55/X79 had some of the best looking motherboards in my opinion.
@@twanheijkoop6753 yep I think so too.
and thats the right move to do. before that they looked like some kid was a head of visual design at MSI.
now people won't straight go with ASUS just because they look better.
How the hell does anyone use 6 M.2 slots. SSD RAID? I'd rather buy an M.2 hypercard thank you.
Ah yes, the rambles that helps me with my showers. I watch theses rambles while showering. Because I can soke up all of the information.
Sure you can convert PCI-e slots to M.2, but at the cost of restricting airflow to the GPU. Not a problem if you're going for watercooling but realistically, the modal gamer is going to stick with the air-cooling solution that comes with their graphics card. An average gamer is very unlikely to ever install any expansion card other than the GPU so M.2 slots are much more useful.
My first suggested video is gamer nexus video on msi shady reviews
S stands for scam the plebs
Prove that doesnt make the difference.
no itx :(
get a B550, no slots/SATA ports = no need for X570/X570S.
itx X570/X570S sounds dumb
@@rawdez_ The main benefit of an ITX X570 is that you get two PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots instead of one. If you have extremely specific needs for a portable workstation build that will benefit from that then it's an option at least.
@@CaptainKenway well, that makes at least a bit of sense, but extremely specific needs for 2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe in an ITX build is just that - extremely specific needs. in 99,99999% of use cases there won't be any difference between 2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe and 1 PCIe 4.0 NVMe + 1 PCIe 3.0 NVMe. and in that 0.00001% of cases most likely difference won't be meaningful enough.
so why even bother to make boards that virtually nobody needs.
@@rawdez_ You are right but... all of the current boards have something that does not make sense on an itx board. Just hoping for the perfect one for me. I would like to see some refreshes of the B550s
AM4 is already effectively a retired socket, and the X570 chipset itself was rarely advantageous for the average Ryzen 3000/5000 user. Making new X570(s) boards seems strange this late in production. Any idea why?
I think AMD won't retire AM4 and at least 5000 cpu series to go along with it as low end and mid range of their offering made on then probably cheaper 7nm production node. 6000 or 7000 cpu series on 6nm and/or 5nm with new AM5 platform, I don't think it would be possible to replace whole cpu range from top to bottom price wise and production wise so more probably production of AM4 and AM5 cpu/motherboard combos would continue in parallel for some significant time. Till new technologies brought by AM5 grab enough market share to get more reachable and price goes down enough for most of people to be able to buy without bancruptcy.