Correction: At 4:24 I said the hot spot temp for the WindForce OC increased by 4c but I meant 3c, at 4:36 I managed to get it right, so at least there’s that (what can I say, low single digit numbers are hard).
marvininer i’m also very happy with the sapphire, coming from an old modded r9 290x. Upgrading the bios manually on the 5600 xt has been a bit scary for me though, and i still have weird issues with display port, which are “fixed” using hdmi anyway
I also went for the Sapphire to replace my old GTX 970. At £290 and with 2 free decent games I'm more than happy. Will do me till better GPU'S arrive later this year from Nvidia and AMD. I'll wait till hardware unboxed reviews the new stuff again too to help me decide 👍
Greatly appreciate your critical reviews. Too many reviewers deem everything "great" and as a result, the tech industry has been in a downward spiral of decreasing thermal performance, decreasing build quality, while cramming louder fans into a gaudy design, and cheesier RGB that requires their bloated software to turn off. Hope to see a change for the better in the coming few years... Many companies are more concerned with making a desk ornament than a quality piece of technology.. :(
we got the 5600 xt PULSE for our customers, amazing experience flashing this card gains from 5 to 18 fps by flashing this card in heavy games ultra at 1080p settings
Yep easily the best price to performance card at the moment. The rtx2060 is it’s only competition and that’s another 40£ more over here for the same performance
Exactly - it seems that Sapphire just does things correctly. Its cards cost a bit more, but the extra attention to design, build and performance seem worth the higher price tag.
These companies are starting to make coolers as bad as possible for the lower priced variants.. It's getting to the point of being as bad, or worse, than blower-style stock AMD cards.. :/
Are they making them bad or they making them the same and the hardware is just outpacing it. Look at the cards, it really seems like “better coolers” just mean bigger coolers/heat pipes.
I'd like to point out that by undervolting the MSI card with the 14 Gbps bios you can likely (at least to some degree) decrease temps, and thereby noise, to a tolerable level. Outside the scope of a review, understandably, but worth noting here in the comments IMO.
Looks like Steve got a little confused. There is a 10 degree difference in the memory temperature between the 12 and 14Gbps Mech OC when you lock the fan speed to 1600rpm. 😄
I agree with this. The content coming from this channel is much better than what is coming from channels that have actual dedicated staff working for them.
Years ago, like MANY years ago, I went to all kind of tech forums. Then I went to Tom's Hardware Guide. After that I watched Linus and Jay. Today, I rarely click any of them anymore, and watch Hardware Unboxed 90% of the time. It's so good. To the point. Accurate, sound judgement. Sometimes, when I feel like listeing to a "wall of text" I check out new stuff at Gamer's Nexus, but it is really hard to keep focus on that moderation. Habur'n'box is currently the best imho.
I have the rx 5600xt mech oc model, the card is max 62 degrees and it gives high performance even though it is a 3000mhz single channel 16gb rem. I get an average of 120 fps at epic settings on the Fortnite. The card does not warm at all "57 degrees in normal use" but the fan is loud. It's a good card anyway.
so happy i went with the sapphire 5600xt. i was about to just go with the xfx version since i prefer the sleek black look of it over the kinda cartoony look of the pulse, but decided i preferred better thermals and performance lol
Nice job as usual. I'd like to ask a very impolite question: how comes brands that produce cards for AMD and Nvidia quite often fail to deliver good Radeon cards? I mean, I can think of just two possibilities: - they adapt cooling solutions that aren't for AMD cards (you can compare, in case); - there's a hint of GPP polluting the air (which may be related to the above mentioned poor engineering). You know, I may be the usual tinfoil wearer, but it never hurts to bear in mind all the possibilities...
They sell less Radeon cards, simple as that. Why bother working through R&D when people will more than likely purchase Nvidia regardless of the hard work they put in.
a sad reality. that explain why the Gaming X model from MSI for nvidia and radeon do look different. they'll just always treat radeon as inferior tier product
its the volume they are selling. nvidia sells in greater volumes so brands put their r&d toward these cards. more cards, more money. but i think with the next cards (6x00?) things will change more ot less, depending on the brand.looks like nvidia will have some serious competition in low and middle tier cards, and maybe in the high tier too, but that depends on how much powerful ampere is (and 3080, 3080ti)
I remember news article where nvidia got caught forcing aib manuafacturers to make different branding for radeon cards. So i think we dont know everything what happens behind the scenes
I took recently the Windforce Oc and they upgraded it i think : First the backplate is no more in plastic, it's made of metal. For the nexts things, the Bios got upgraded and it's become not incredible but a nice and good start for a first or second gaming pc. to finish, i played with it for a month and it's pretty descend, but yeah... for a few bucks, get the sapphire, but if your budget is not enough, well then... go for it ^^.
The 5600XT is a cut down 5700. Many custom boards have different models and artificial limits are put on the lower tier models in the bios to keep them from competing with the higher tier models. That being said some of the lower tier models have worse coolers (the 5600 doesn't produce a lot of heat so usually its not a big concern). In bios many of the 5600XT's are programmed to crash/enter safe mode if overclocked past a set number. Flashing bios helps eliminate this limit so that you can stably overclock it.
I have a 5700xt mech oc that I got for a phenomenal price, and in my case it's much quieter than my Vega 56 reference that was in my rig, but now in my fiance's. I am very happy with it personally, although I definitely would have gone with a Sapphire card had I not got such a good deal on the card, they make such good stuff.
I got a Thicc III Pro for the same price as a Thicc II pro ($279.99). Haven't had any issues with temps, peaks at 71c and no more. Can't hear the fans at all. Not saying it's a great card by any means, I just got a good deal and it works flawlessly for me.
I got the Windforce OC because it's the only thing on stock (thanks, human malware) and it's the cheapest card I've seen (almost at 1660 Super prices). The Sapphire Pulse is almost 30% more expensive and out of stock. The temps are certainly concerning but they're not in dangerous levels. I'm used to GPUs operating at 90C and fans kicking in at 60 dB (gaming laptop woes) so it's a small improvement for me haha.
KA Tech when they review like trash, they’ll continue to not sell. If they aren’t going to put effort into their products, it’s easy to just go to another manufacturer.
09:48 There's nothing stopping someone from getting the faster memory and then underclocking the GPU to make it quieter. Or just using Radeon Chill, a fantastic feature of AMD drivers that no tech review channel/site pays the proper amount of attention to.
Bought MSI Rx 5700 Mech OC on the cheap. Liquid metal and washers for the heat sink. Removed the backplate. Gelid thermal pads+little heatsinks at the back of the memory chips and a cable tie holding the end of the card to the heatsink to prevent sag. Flashed rx 5700xt evoke silent experimental bios + undervolted. I should have just bought a better card with the money and time i spent and am now expecting it to catch fire but it works pretty damn well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A couple of things. I own the MSI card here and flashed it to 14GBps using Live update last week, no problems. A 2° Degree increase in tempratures for a bit of extra performance is called a trade off. I use headphones when gaming, so i dont normally care if my system sounds like a vacuum cleaner. (it doesn't really) Its still a lot quieter than my old xbox360! I haven't noticed any difference in performance or noise however. Free upgrade???... Grand, I'll take it.. but i haven't noticed any difference at all. Even without headphones, I usually have the sound turned up while gaming, a bit of fan noise in the background is negligible and nothing compared to an old xbox360
I have the exact same card here: MSI rx 5600 xt MECH OC and after this video I was thinking not to update de vBios but I'm thinking that maybe Steve got a little confused on the temperature increase and to be honest with the stock bios I don't here ANY sound, I play AAA games at 1044p and temperatures goes as high as 83 degrees celsius. As far as I know I can easily get to 90° without damaging the card right? do you think I should just update it and call it a day?
Goddamn I love this channel ❤️ I hve a small request, could you please make flashing/ocing videos on other mainstream GPUs from either nvidia or amd. Apparently I couldn't find any channel out there talking about oc with a proper review, comparison, and tutorial
Honestly, my only take away from the whole RX5600XT launch is that you should always give time to let AIB redesign their card, if you want to do any kind of spec change. These last moment BIOS update that immensely change the performance and thermal characteristic should be prevent as much as possible in the future, both by AMD and NVIDIA, this only lead to customer confusion, RMA, and loss of the already wafer thin profit margin for AIB.
Steve, maybe it's my bias since I did just pick up a 5700 mech oc, and maybe its because i'm not that sensitive to noise since i usually game with headphones, but I think you're being a little hyperbolic about the new bios breaking the Mech and saying you would not be flashing to the upgraded bios. Isn't it better from an enthusiasts perspective to have the option of higher performance, and then tune for noise? If I subscribed to your thinking, I would have never flashed my 5700 with the xt bios. But I did and have undervolted the hell out of it so that temps are lower than a stock reference 5700. In my limited experience with the card, most of the time the fans spin at 60ish percent (and again I know YMMV) which doesn't bother me. Now compared to a top tier card like the red devil, gigabyte, gaming x etc yes I'm thermally limited compared to them, and I will never reach the max oc performance they can. But once I tune the card the difference will be less than 10 percent with temps that are slightly worse than vs their max oc with 5700 xt bios, for an almost 30 percent savings (279 vs 359 for a gigabyte 5700 gaming oc). Anyways thanks for the content!
Might be the BIOS Workers Union is angry at you Steve, given your recent piece about Zen3 Bios support lol Always look forward to the videos, thank you!
Yea, the XFX Card 5600 XT is a perfect example of a Card that should "NOT" have be OC'ed! Should be interesting to see if the "Pro" Version fairs any better! Was Hoping for the Thicc III Version, but guess you can only test what you have! 🤷♂️🤔😁
Would love to see a video comparing an older top of the line system from around 2010 verses one now (or go for the same price point at the time). Maybe something like i7-960 or 970 vs either Ryzen 3700x or Ryzen 3950x, Gtx 580 vs 2070 super, 8 GB 1066 mhz ddr3 vs 16 GB 3600 ddr4, 80GB SSD from 2010 vs 1TB modern SSD, put windows 10 64 bit on both. But NOT just in benchmarks but real use cases. Downloading files, Uploading files, Copying Files, Bootup, Gaming experience (load times, best resolution and settings where you still have a good experience, not just pure fps maybe show a game from every Even year since 2010), Heat produced, Opening Applications, Rendering, Noise produced.
When you test temperature with the fans set to 1600RPM, were their dB readings within margin of error? I'm just thinking that maybe some fans are quieter than others at the same speed (maybe less fins makes the pitch lower, or something). It makes it a bit more complex, but maybe you want to include a graph for temp at a normalised decibel reading?
I have a question that is : Is 5600xt a worth buying card ? Considering the next gen is currently 2 to 3 months away from now , and looking at the rumours next gen is going to be a solid gen
nvidia is going to reveal 3080 a replacement for 2080 ti,not a 2060 replacement they always release the "budget" gaming gpu at the end of the product cycle,so that means in 2021 Amd has to ship millions of new consoles so I figure they will not launch anything this year except a high end card since they have nothing that can beat 2080ti
*QUESTION!!* I'd love to see you COMPARE NOISE LEVELS after adding in something like a SIDE Noctua fan (spinning at a constant 600RPM for minimal noise?) that has been rigged up somehow to blow over the graphics card in whatever manner is optimal... that seems like something people might consider doing.. I'm not sure HOW you'd rig up a fan like that for most case setups so maybe that alone would be something to report on if there's any interest.
Hey Steve have you seen the new itx Rx 5600 xt by powercolour. Do you reckon it'll be slowed down to avoid overheating and if so do you reckon it'll be under the old bios specs? Cheers for sharing this and making purchasing decisions for so many people so much easier!!!
So I am interested to see what Steve says about the Gigabyte RX 5600XT Gaming OC because I picked up the gigabyte gaming oc 5600XT specifically for the revised vbios upgrade. After being sent a 2nd card both failed to run stable with the OC vbios flashed from stock. Clean install, bare drivers and even using utilities like GPU tweak failed to provide stable behavior. For me this was just a bench GPU and I wanted to play with RDNA but I'm disappointed for those who are buying these types of cards with dreams of free performance boosts as their primary GPU. Now this is the "high end" from Gigabyte for this model and I am interested since Steve never had these blackouts during his testing (though I do not know if he flashed his Gigabyte Gaming OC). End of the day I returned it knowing one day I would flip this card and with MIR the EVGA 2060 KO Ultra while still $20 more meant no headaches of instability and poor Gigabyte support. I wanted so much to have this experience be the positive one that has been for many RX 5600 XT reviewers but it wasn't for me. I have been building exclusively Ryzen PCs for the last 2 years, I hope AMD doesn't keep making mistakes (RX 5600 XT launch/No Zen 3 for 400 chipset boards etc)
08:22 Not no purpose. It does prevent accidentally shearing off SMD's with sloppy handling. But that's it. I've never done that with a graphics card, but I have with a hard drive, before the manufacturers took to flipping the logic boards around so all the SMD's were on the inside (something so obvious it's amazing they didn't do it from the start).
You would think that "its obvious they should have done this from start" because you already know the solution (this is called hindsight bias). There is another example on this on a more wide and older concept, archimedes screw. Nobody thought (or implemented) until recent years that instead of rotating the screw, you can turn the tube around it instead (with scoops attached to the tube bottom) and its actually a better way to transport things (tom scott made a video about it).
Sitting here with reference 5700 flashed to 5700xt and undervolted to 1.1v thinking why not just run a custom fan curve on the mech OC. Temps are still well within check and fixes the noise problem while performing on par with higher priced 5600xt cards.
You can easily underclocking the GPU. Like it's not a problem. Also you can slow down the fans too. I feel like more performance is always better. And even a 10 deg C increase is fine. 70 or 80c literally don't make any difference, it's just gonna give you more FPS
With my 5600xt, I have found weird frequency things. It's a sapphire pulse and I bought it when launched and flashed it, and sometimes the frequency would work as flashed but sometimes it would revert to the frequency before being flashed. Thought it was weird but just said fuck it and put all the sliders to the max and it runs cool, quiet and fast but recently started having driver issues after the last update reinstalled and seemed to solve
I think AMD could grab a chunk of the market if it was able to provide a solution for multi card performance compatible with current graphics frameworks. I would get two AMD cards to drive high frame rate 4k graphics if it was cheaper than the 2080ti/3080ti. I'm sure I'm not alone, but AMD can't even be bothered to keep their single card drivers up to scratch, so multi card drivers that work is a pipedream.
I just purchased the Mech OC 5700, it's going back for a refund. The temps aren't what I'm used to (or like for that matter). Very accustomed to Sapphire cards that run like ice.
I just thank God Sapphire and XFX dont have the same premium price as EVGA for Nvidia haha. They are priced the same and even lower than lower-tiered cards from MSI and Gigabyte
Your XFX 5600 XT THICC II Pro thermals are so high compared to mine. I've never seen it go above 75! It seems to be consistently one of the hottest thermals throughout the tests, a bit of an anomaly to me.
That could probably be why mine are so low then! I've not really put any decent monitoring software on. I was quite impressed by the AMD Catalyst center when I switched over from a 1060. I've always just taken current temperature as Gospel, the profile I use doesn't spin the fans until I hit 60 degrees, so I'm sat at around 50 idle in a fairly warm room. Are you using the same software but looking at Junction temps?
@@madtech5153 Thermal wise perhaps but the clock speeds etc were comparable to mine, to clarify I've got the 'new' bios. Interested to see what was used to compare temps so I can take a look
@@madtech5153 If you watch part 1 where we reported edge temps which are obviously what ;chris common; is referring to, the THICC II Pro hit just 67c, so no we don't have a defective card.
Sapphire seem to be the "Go To" brand if you're buying an AMD GPU based Graphics Card solution. I would place them in a similar bracket to Zotac for Nvidia GPUs, or GALAX (Galaxy/KFA2) for Nvidia GPUs.
MSI 5700 XT@ 09:37 F1 2019 running GPU clock 1500 MHz seems way low for 5700XT. Even the high it gets to around 1650 seems way low like by 300 MHz or so. With a flux of 200 MHz questionable... is this accurate
no,I also picked up a 1660 super since pricing is retarded in Croatia I bought an msi gaming x 1660 super for 350$,they still sell the 5600xt sapphire for 450$ ,the sapphire 5700 is sold at 525$
i got gigabyte model, gpu tem peak 65, memory at 85. clockspeed always reach 1750mhz, with fan speed around 1950rpm. and this coming from Q500L case from cooler master. i dont know what well ventilated case this guys used for the test. if Q500L labeled as masteroven, and at my place is around 28 30 degree C.
i need your help. I haven't seen anything anywhere. Did they give you the Gigabyte 5600xt gaming OC 3 fan revision 1or 2. I have a feeling that the revision 2 is the only one that can do the bios update properly. Even on gigabytes website clicking on the gaming oc revision one or two you get taken to a page that says its the revision 2 however the font is different between them for the rev 2.
Undervolting is *huge* on Navi. I would recommend everybody to flash the new bios and start *undervolting*, you will see the temperatures drop big time!
@@CobrazHD usually but in the specific case u mention they don't so that's kinda mute but I am pissed w the driver situation, however it isn't that annoying for most people including myself and you end up w better performance
@@mikkodoria4778 get yourself unigine superposition or heaven, occt or furmark and then in the performance section of the drivers enable advanced controls for oc and start decreasing the maximal voltage bit by bit and testing in the unigine benchmark. Eventually you reach voltage so low you will see artifacts in unigine. Once you find the lowest level where you think you're stable check with occt 3d stress test running (this shows the number of errors generated even if they're so smal they're invisible to the naked eye.) Keep finetuning thr voltage up and down until you reach a level that is as low as possible but you still generate no errors. give it 5-10mV more just in case and this will be you lowest stable voltage. Probably you can reduce the voltage by about 50-100mV which will make a noticeable difference in temperature and will keep your clocks higher if you're hitting the boost power limits. There's quite a bit of margin left. With 5600xt and i won't be surprised if you manage to overclock the card to its maximal (quite tight) limits and still undervolt.
MSI’s R9 390 was the last decent AMD card they have made Imo.. even then I had to repaste the card to keep it from throttling.. they put 3x more paste than needed. I’ll never buy an MSI AMD variant again.. I’m straight sapphire now
Correction: At 4:24 I said the hot spot temp for the WindForce OC increased by 4c but I meant 3c, at 4:36 I managed to get it right, so at least there’s that (what can I say, low single digit numbers are hard).
hi steve
Will the gigabyte Z97M-D3H motherboard support these graphics card?
@@markchen8312 I don't see why it wouldn't, but I would make sure you have a cpu that wouldn't bottleneck it (so something like an i7)
@@radiumuppet i have an i7 4790k....will it bottleneck the GPU?
@@markchen8312 if you overclock it to around 4.2 - 4.4ghz, I would say it would be fine
Satisfied with my Sapphire Pulse 5600 XT. No confusing stuff and it's fairly priced.
marvininer i’m also very happy with the sapphire, coming from an old modded r9 290x. Upgrading the bios manually on the 5600 xt has been a bit scary for me though, and i still have weird issues with display port, which are “fixed” using hdmi anyway
Sapphire is the gold standard of gpu quality
I also went for the Sapphire to replace my old GTX 970. At £290 and with 2 free decent games I'm more than happy.
Will do me till better GPU'S arrive later this year from Nvidia and AMD.
I'll wait till hardware unboxed reviews the new stuff again too to help me decide 👍
I want Sapphire too, but it cost 370$ in my place.. So i chose Asrock Phantom d2..
I went for the MSI’s mech oc 5600xt was it a good choice?
Greatly appreciate your critical reviews. Too many reviewers deem everything "great" and as a result, the tech industry has been in a downward spiral of decreasing thermal performance, decreasing build quality, while cramming louder fans into a gaudy design, and cheesier RGB that requires their bloated software to turn off. Hope to see a change for the better in the coming few years...
Many companies are more concerned with making a desk ornament than a quality piece of technology.. :(
we got the 5600 xt PULSE for our customers, amazing experience flashing this card gains from 5 to 18 fps by flashing this card in heavy games ultra at 1080p settings
Bought Sapphire Pulse 5600 XT last week, only 1 stock available in our nearest store! Best price/performance card at this category.
Yep easily the best price to performance card at the moment.
The rtx2060 is it’s only competition and that’s another 40£ more over here for the same performance
Conclusion: get the sapphire version
Exactly - it seems that Sapphire just does things correctly. Its cards cost a bit more, but the extra attention to design, build and performance seem worth the higher price tag.
Hey!
These companies are starting to make coolers as bad as possible for the lower priced variants..
It's getting to the point of being as bad, or worse, than blower-style stock AMD cards.. :/
Are they making them bad or they making them the same and the hardware is just outpacing it. Look at the cards, it really seems like “better coolers” just mean bigger coolers/heat pipes.
i have a relatively cheap RX570 and yup, can confirm. Had to underclock to 1100Mhz so the immersion wasnt affected by the incredibly loud fans
@@Athasin well for air cooling there's not much options generally either you make the heatsink bigger or make the fans go faster.
@@estherdebester 1100 on an RX 570 is awfully low, I have a 470 at 1275 and it's still whisper quiet and hardly touching 65C
been using blower 5700 with minimal fan curve tune. it's pretty cool and not that loud
I'd like to point out that by undervolting the MSI card with the 14 Gbps bios you can likely (at least to some degree) decrease temps, and thereby noise, to a tolerable level. Outside the scope of a review, understandably, but worth noting here in the comments IMO.
Use headphones. Lol
"We are looking at a 10 degree increase in the Mech OC with 14Gbps"
I didn't know that 76 to 78°C was 10, i thought it was 2
Looks like Steve got a little confused. There is a 10 degree difference in the memory temperature between the 12 and 14Gbps Mech OC when you lock the fan speed to 1600rpm. 😄
Well you obviously don't know math
Congratulations on the 500. 000 subs. You deserve even more!
I agree with this. The content coming from this channel is much better than what is coming from channels that have actual dedicated staff working for them.
This channel is only going to grow if the output stays at this quality. I wish I could buy shares in channels because this would be a good option.
This channel deserves 5x that many subs...these guys have been on point for a long time.
I still remember their old host that tested x80 series cards. That's how long i have been subbed to them.
Years ago, like MANY years ago, I went to all kind of tech forums. Then I went to Tom's Hardware Guide. After that I watched Linus and Jay. Today, I rarely click any of them anymore, and watch Hardware Unboxed 90% of the time. It's so good. To the point. Accurate, sound judgement. Sometimes, when I feel like listeing to a "wall of text" I check out new stuff at Gamer's Nexus, but it is really hard to keep focus on that moderation. Habur'n'box is currently the best imho.
I have the rx 5600xt mech oc model, the card is max 62 degrees and it gives high performance even though it is a 3000mhz single channel 16gb rem. I get an average of 120 fps at epic settings on the Fortnite. The card does not warm at all "57 degrees in normal use" but the fan is loud. It's a good card anyway.
so happy i went with the sapphire 5600xt. i was about to just go with the xfx version since i prefer the sleek black look of it over the kinda cartoony look of the pulse, but decided i preferred better thermals and performance lol
Nice job as usual. I'd like to ask a very impolite question: how comes brands that produce cards for AMD and Nvidia quite often fail to deliver good Radeon cards? I mean, I can think of just two possibilities:
- they adapt cooling solutions that aren't for AMD cards (you can compare, in case);
- there's a hint of GPP polluting the air (which may be related to the above mentioned poor engineering).
You know, I may be the usual tinfoil wearer, but it never hurts to bear in mind all the possibilities...
They sell less Radeon cards, simple as that. Why bother working through R&D when people will more than likely purchase Nvidia regardless of the hard work they put in.
a sad reality. that explain why the Gaming X model from MSI for nvidia and radeon do look different. they'll just always treat radeon as inferior tier product
its the volume they are selling. nvidia sells in greater volumes so brands put their r&d toward these cards. more cards, more money. but i think with the next cards (6x00?) things will change more ot less, depending on the brand.looks like nvidia will have some serious competition in low and middle tier cards, and maybe in the high tier too, but that depends on how much powerful ampere is (and 3080, 3080ti)
It's up to us, when we buy AMD cards, to carefully avoid Asus, MSI and Gigabyte.
Who sow wind reaps storm.
I remember news article where nvidia got caught forcing aib manuafacturers to make different branding for radeon cards. So i think we dont know everything what happens behind the scenes
I took recently the Windforce Oc and they upgraded it i think : First the backplate is no more in plastic, it's made of metal. For the nexts things, the Bios got upgraded and it's become not incredible but a nice and good start for a first or second gaming pc. to finish, i played with it for a month and it's pretty descend, but yeah... for a few bucks, get the sapphire, but if your budget is not enough, well then... go for it ^^.
The 5600XT is a cut down 5700. Many custom boards have different models and artificial limits are put on the lower tier models in the bios to keep them from competing with the higher tier models. That being said some of the lower tier models have worse coolers (the 5600 doesn't produce a lot of heat so usually its not a big concern).
In bios many of the 5600XT's are programmed to crash/enter safe mode if overclocked past a set number. Flashing bios helps eliminate this limit so that you can stably overclock it.
I have a 5700xt mech oc that I got for a phenomenal price, and in my case it's much quieter than my Vega 56 reference that was in my rig, but now in my fiance's. I am very happy with it personally, although I definitely would have gone with a Sapphire card had I not got such a good deal on the card, they make such good stuff.
Congrats on 500k subscribers guys! On to 1 million!
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I got a Thicc III Pro for the same price as a Thicc II pro ($279.99). Haven't had any issues with temps, peaks at 71c and no more. Can't hear the fans at all. Not saying it's a great card by any means, I just got a good deal and it works flawlessly for me.
"hey guys it's hammer on box"
Why did I read it like Austin Evan's?
I got the Windforce OC because it's the only thing on stock (thanks, human malware) and it's the cheapest card I've seen (almost at 1660 Super prices). The Sapphire Pulse is almost 30% more expensive and out of stock.
The temps are certainly concerning but they're not in dangerous levels. I'm used to GPUs operating at 90C and fans kicking in at 60 dB (gaming laptop woes) so it's a small improvement for me haha.
the best review of Mech is yours, I cant find anywhere of the 5500XT mech
Horrible quality cards, but it seems a trend for "cheaper" gpu's
obviously
mostly for AMD cards. they don't care about them because they don't sell very well
KA Tech when they review like trash, they’ll continue to not sell. If they aren’t going to put effort into their products, it’s easy to just go to another manufacturer.
You get what you pay for. Who knew?
There have been some exceptions though, like XFX's Thicc 2 Ultra and Asus TUF Gaming(before the 3X OC revision).
Except you don't get what you pay for anymore. Look at Nvidia's line up. The RTX series is largely barely a step forward over the 10 series
09:48 There's nothing stopping someone from getting the faster memory and then underclocking the GPU to make it quieter. Or just using Radeon Chill, a fantastic feature of AMD drivers that no tech review channel/site pays the proper amount of attention to.
Aussie "We are testing in a 21 degree room"
Brit "Ah, it's really hot there..."
It’s been 24 degrees here up north lol
they failed to inform typical I can understand what you went through thank you for your hardwork
If a graphics card comes with a plastic backplate, how much can we reduce temps by removing it?
Haha yeah I hate that fake marketing bs
The difference should be negligible, at most probably 1°C
Leave it on for six months and see how much dust settles on it. If it's clean, why not take it off?
I've see other test that show up to a 4c difference I believe.
Bought MSI Rx 5700 Mech OC on the cheap. Liquid metal and washers for the heat sink. Removed the backplate. Gelid thermal pads+little heatsinks at the back of the memory chips and a cable tie holding the end of the card to the heatsink to prevent sag. Flashed rx 5700xt evoke silent experimental bios + undervolted. I should have just bought a better card with the money and time i spent and am now expecting it to catch fire but it works pretty damn well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hey guys just wanted to say I have been liking your stuff for awhile now and have just became a patron to keep the good stuff rolling.
The most underrated tech channel on TH-cam. Keep the good work.
My Mech OC serves me great, nothing wrong with it....
What cpu you pair with your 5600xt mec OC?
Got my windforce a couple days ago and all I can do is look at it and say:. "you stink but I love you." -bill the cat
Try undervolting. And remove the backplate.
A couple of things. I own the MSI card here and flashed it to 14GBps using Live update last week, no problems.
A 2° Degree increase in tempratures for a bit of extra performance is called a trade off.
I use headphones when gaming, so i dont normally care if my system sounds like a vacuum cleaner. (it doesn't really)
Its still a lot quieter than my old xbox360!
I haven't noticed any difference in performance or noise however. Free upgrade???... Grand, I'll take it.. but i haven't noticed any difference at all.
Even without headphones, I usually have the sound turned up while gaming, a bit of fan noise in the background is negligible and nothing compared to an old xbox360
and lastly, i upgraded from a RX560 to RX5600XT... so i'm very happy with the step up in performance.
@@PanzerVII-df8hg Check this guide bro:
download.msi.com/archive/mnu_exe/vga/RX5600XT-MECH-Liveupdate-Tool-bios-update-SOP.pdf
I have the exact same card here: MSI rx 5600 xt MECH OC and after this video I was thinking not to update de vBios but I'm thinking that maybe Steve got a little confused on the temperature increase and to be honest with the stock bios I don't here ANY sound, I play AAA games at 1044p and temperatures goes as high as 83 degrees celsius. As far as I know I can easily get to 90° without damaging the card right? do you think I should just update it and call it a day?
Goddamn I love this channel ❤️ I hve a small request, could you please make flashing/ocing videos on other mainstream GPUs from either nvidia or amd. Apparently I couldn't find any channel out there talking about oc with a proper review, comparison, and tutorial
Honestly, my only take away from the whole RX5600XT launch is that you should always give time to let AIB redesign their card, if you want to do any kind of spec change.
These last moment BIOS update that immensely change the performance and thermal characteristic should be prevent as much as possible in the future, both by AMD and NVIDIA, this only lead to customer confusion, RMA, and loss of the already wafer thin profit margin for AIB.
The Day One law.
Also, when talking Radeon cards, always avoid Asus, MSI and Gigabyte.
Steve, maybe it's my bias since I did just pick up a 5700 mech oc, and maybe its because i'm not that sensitive to noise since i usually game with headphones, but I think you're being a little hyperbolic about the new bios breaking the Mech and saying you would not be flashing to the upgraded bios. Isn't it better from an enthusiasts perspective to have the option of higher performance, and then tune for noise? If I subscribed to your thinking, I would have never flashed my 5700 with the xt bios. But I did and have undervolted the hell out of it so that temps are lower than a stock reference 5700. In my limited experience with the card, most of the time the fans spin at 60ish percent (and again I know YMMV) which doesn't bother me. Now compared to a top tier card like the red devil, gigabyte, gaming x etc yes I'm thermally limited compared to them, and I will never reach the max oc performance they can. But once I tune the card the difference will be less than 10 percent with temps that are slightly worse than vs their max oc with 5700 xt bios, for an almost 30 percent savings (279 vs 359 for a gigabyte 5700 gaming oc). Anyways thanks for the content!
Happy to see hammer on box on a road to 1m subs! Well deserved.
Might be the BIOS Workers Union is angry at you Steve, given your recent piece about Zen3 Bios support lol
Always look forward to the videos, thank you!
I own a 5600xt red dragon. Easy to bios update to 14gbps. Also, managed to get a stable overclock/undervolt of 1820mhz with a max of 920mv
Soooooooo waiting for part II. Did two builds with ASUS ROG STRIX 5600xt
Yea, the XFX Card 5600 XT is a perfect example of a Card that should "NOT" have be OC'ed! Should be interesting to see if the "Pro" Version fairs any better! Was Hoping for the Thicc III Version, but guess you can only test what you have! 🤷♂️🤔😁
I just bought that version
Lacking sleep there Steve? lol. Great content regaurdless. Keep up the awesome work, both of you!
Would love to see a video comparing an older top of the line system from around 2010 verses one now (or go for the same price point at the time).
Maybe something like i7-960 or 970 vs either Ryzen 3700x or Ryzen 3950x, Gtx 580 vs 2070 super, 8 GB 1066 mhz ddr3 vs 16 GB 3600 ddr4, 80GB SSD from 2010 vs 1TB modern SSD, put windows 10 64 bit on both.
But NOT just in benchmarks but real use cases. Downloading files, Uploading files, Copying Files, Bootup, Gaming experience (load times, best resolution and settings where you still have a good experience, not just pure fps maybe show a game from every Even year since 2010), Heat produced, Opening Applications, Rendering, Noise produced.
I just want to support Sapphire company for being the only ones making good Radeon cards.
Thanks for your hard works Steve.
I'd love to see this kind of comparison between the various GTX-1650 Super manufacturers, including the Asus ROG Strix GTX-1650 Super Advanced edition
When you test temperature with the fans set to 1600RPM, were their dB readings within margin of error? I'm just thinking that maybe some fans are quieter than others at the same speed (maybe less fins makes the pitch lower, or something). It makes it a bit more complex, but maybe you want to include a graph for temp at a normalised decibel reading?
I have a question that is : Is 5600xt a worth buying card ?
Considering the next gen is currently 2 to 3 months away from now , and looking at the rumours next gen is going to be a solid gen
nvidia is going to reveal 3080 a replacement for 2080 ti,not a 2060 replacement
they always release the "budget" gaming gpu at the end of the product cycle,so that means in 2021
Amd has to ship millions of new consoles so I figure they will not launch anything this year except a high end card since they have nothing that can beat 2080ti
Is the sapphire pulse cards perfect or what they're sheap small and perform exceptionally
I hope the release a boost for the Sapphire Pulse too!
*QUESTION!!*
I'd love to see you COMPARE NOISE LEVELS after adding in something like a SIDE Noctua fan (spinning at a constant 600RPM for minimal noise?) that has been rigged up somehow to blow over the graphics card in whatever manner is optimal... that seems like something people might consider doing.. I'm not sure HOW you'd rig up a fan like that for most case setups so maybe that alone would be something to report on if there's any interest.
So basically, we should just buy the Pulse and call it a day. :)
thanks for these detailed stats
i repasted my xfx thicc 2 model and it made a huge difference
You said "we are looking at 10 degree increase in gddr6" for mech oc at 4:50 , but graph shows 76->78 degree change.
He’s using percentages you banana 👌🏻
@@airbornetempest186 no, he is not. Graph shows Degrees °C and he said 10 degree increase. Not percentage.
congrats for 500k subs @HUB
Steve I know this is a stupid question but, will removing the plastic back plate help with heat not getting trapped?
Stellar work as always 👍
Hey Steve have you seen the new itx Rx 5600 xt by powercolour. Do you reckon it'll be slowed down to avoid overheating and if so do you reckon it'll be under the old bios specs? Cheers for sharing this and making purchasing decisions for so many people so much easier!!!
So I am interested to see what Steve says about the Gigabyte RX 5600XT Gaming OC because I picked up the gigabyte gaming oc 5600XT specifically for the revised vbios upgrade. After being sent a 2nd card both failed to run stable with the OC vbios flashed from stock. Clean install, bare drivers and even using utilities like GPU tweak failed to provide stable behavior. For me this was just a bench GPU and I wanted to play with RDNA but I'm disappointed for those who are buying these types of cards with dreams of free performance boosts as their primary GPU. Now this is the "high end" from Gigabyte for this model and I am interested since Steve never had these blackouts during his testing (though I do not know if he flashed his Gigabyte Gaming OC). End of the day I returned it knowing one day I would flip this card and with MIR the EVGA 2060 KO Ultra while still $20 more meant no headaches of instability and poor Gigabyte support. I wanted so much to have this experience be the positive one that has been for many RX 5600 XT reviewers but it wasn't for me. I have been building exclusively Ryzen PCs for the last 2 years, I hope AMD doesn't keep making mistakes (RX 5600 XT launch/No Zen 3 for 400 chipset boards etc)
I'm well happy with my pulse cheap and quiet and getting a avg framerate of 198 fps on F1 2019
you know the product line is too complicated when the reviewers cant keep track of it, good job AMD, fuckin up constantly this year
08:22 Not no purpose. It does prevent accidentally shearing off SMD's with sloppy handling. But that's it.
I've never done that with a graphics card, but I have with a hard drive, before the manufacturers took to flipping the logic boards around so all the SMD's were on the inside (something so obvious it's amazing they didn't do it from the start).
You would think that "its obvious they should have done this from start" because you already know the solution (this is called hindsight bias). There is another example on this on a more wide and older concept, archimedes screw. Nobody thought (or implemented) until recent years that instead of rotating the screw, you can turn the tube around it instead (with scoops attached to the tube bottom) and its actually a better way to transport things (tom scott made a video about it).
The red dragon is still a good choice? In theory you can update vía bios and it Will go 14/1750
My options are red dragon and thicc ii
goddamn this channel just oozes quality
Im big big fan ❤️ only ur brother love u.
You should have tested the 3 fan gigabyte 5600xt instead and compared that to this lineup.
Got the Rx 5600 Xt Strix pretty cheap. New Bios is around 700 Points higher in Timespy. Stays still pretty quite and silent
My powercolor 14gb version is fantastic and hot spot temps are 80 to the high 70s
How come the sapphire pulse has the best perofrmance average temps and least fan speed?
sapphire makes the best quality gpus for AMD,they care about their loyal customers
because they dont put some plastic bullshit on their cards
Because it’s expensive
I am happy with Gigabyte products they got best price for quality they give
unfortunately not in this case
Sitting here with reference 5700 flashed to 5700xt and undervolted to 1.1v thinking why not just run a custom fan curve on the mech OC. Temps are still well within check and fixes the noise problem while performing on par with higher priced 5600xt cards.
Can you do that with MSI's afterburner? can you suggest any example on how to set it to have the best setup for the MECH OC ?
You can easily underclocking the GPU. Like it's not a problem. Also you can slow down the fans too. I feel like more performance is always better. And even a 10 deg C increase is fine. 70 or 80c literally don't make any difference, it's just gonna give you more FPS
Me: considers the MSI 5600xt mech OC since it's the cheapest
Thumbnail: Steve holding the exact same model
With my 5600xt, I have found weird frequency things. It's a sapphire pulse and I bought it when launched and flashed it, and sometimes the frequency would work as flashed but sometimes it would revert to the frequency before being flashed. Thought it was weird but just said fuck it and put all the sliders to the max and it runs cool, quiet and fast but recently started having driver issues after the last update reinstalled and seemed to solve
I think AMD could grab a chunk of the market if it was able to provide a solution for multi card performance compatible with current graphics frameworks. I would get two AMD cards to drive high frame rate 4k graphics if it was cheaper than the 2080ti/3080ti. I'm sure I'm not alone, but AMD can't even be bothered to keep their single card drivers up to scratch, so multi card drivers that work is a pipedream.
I just purchased the Mech OC 5700, it's going back for a refund. The temps aren't what I'm used to (or like for that matter). Very accustomed to Sapphire cards that run like ice.
This mess is entirely on AMD. A perfect example why changing GPU specs postproduction is a bad idea and why nobody does it regularly.
no
I just thank God Sapphire and XFX dont have the same premium price as EVGA for Nvidia haha. They are priced the same and even lower than lower-tiered cards from MSI and Gigabyte
Your XFX 5600 XT THICC II Pro thermals are so high compared to mine. I've never seen it go above 75! It seems to be consistently one of the hottest thermals throughout the tests, a bit of an anomaly to me.
Are you looking at the edge temp or the hot spot?
That could probably be why mine are so low then! I've not really put any decent monitoring software on. I was quite impressed by the AMD Catalyst center when I switched over from a 1060. I've always just taken current temperature as Gospel, the profile I use doesn't spin the fans until I hit 60 degrees, so I'm sat at around 50 idle in a fairly warm room. Are you using the same software but looking at Junction temps?
or it would mean that the hardware unboxed got a defected XFX 5600XT
@@madtech5153 Thermal wise perhaps but the clock speeds etc were comparable to mine, to clarify I've got the 'new' bios. Interested to see what was used to compare temps so I can take a look
@@madtech5153 If you watch part 1 where we reported edge temps which are obviously what ;chris common; is referring to, the THICC II Pro hit just 67c, so no we don't have a defective card.
Is buying a premium card just prioritizing form over function?
can you do a Vega 64 vs RTX 2070 vs RX 5700 XT vs GTX 1080?
Vega 64 is like a power hungry version of 5600 XT. RTX has been discontinued, and RTX 2060 Super is abetter buy for a lesser price.
Should I regret getting a 5600xt rather than a 2060? 2060 is $50 more expensive than the 5600xt here in our country
Would a simple fix for the mech be to flash it then downclock to the stock core frequency?
I'm just waiting until they reduce the price on the rx 5600 xt sapphire pulse on Amazon
Will the XFX 5600XT THICC 3 Ultra also be in the high end comparison coming up next?
Among the rx 5600 xt it is better to buy a Tuf gaming x3 or ASRock gamind D3 or Gygabyte 3 fans. what is the best vrm and memory temperatures ?
Wish I had this when I got my Windforce the first video came out a month after I bought it :(
Sapphire seem to be the "Go To" brand if you're buying an AMD GPU based Graphics Card solution.
I would place them in a similar bracket to Zotac for Nvidia GPUs, or GALAX (Galaxy/KFA2) for Nvidia GPUs.
I actually place them equally with EVGA but much budget-friendly o.o
MSI 5700 XT@ 09:37 F1 2019 running GPU clock 1500 MHz seems way low for 5700XT. Even the high it gets to around 1650 seems way low like by 300 MHz or so. With a flux of 200 MHz questionable... is this accurate
Is the 5600 xt worth getting over the 1660 super? In my country it's about a 75 dollar US increase
At that difference, I think not.
no,I also picked up a 1660 super since pricing is retarded in Croatia
I bought an msi gaming x 1660 super for 350$,they still sell the 5600xt sapphire for 450$ ,the sapphire 5700 is sold at 525$
i got gigabyte model, gpu tem peak 65, memory at 85. clockspeed always reach 1750mhz, with fan speed around 1950rpm. and this coming from Q500L case from cooler master.
i dont know what well ventilated case this guys used for the test. if Q500L labeled as masteroven, and at my place is around 28 30 degree C.
XFX RX 5700 XT Triple Dissipation on amazon for 380$. Your thoughts?
I can find both the gygabyte card and the mech oc card for about 230 US, other better models are at 300, should I buy the msi or gygabyte card?
I dunno, I always change my fan curve to ramp up sooner as why should I care. I use headphones anyway. Don't more PC gamers use headphones?
Me with my MSI Gaming X 5600 XT while watching these harbor unboxed 5600 XT videos:
"So.... what about me?????"
Samesies
i need your help. I haven't seen anything anywhere. Did they give you the Gigabyte 5600xt gaming OC 3 fan revision 1or 2. I have a feeling that the revision 2 is the only one that can do the bios update properly. Even on gigabytes website clicking on the gaming oc revision one or two you get taken to a page that says its the revision 2 however the font is different between them for the rev 2.
Undervolting is *huge* on Navi. I would recommend everybody to flash the new bios and start *undervolting*, you will see the temperatures drop big time!
My sapphire pulse runs at 50-65 degrees when over locked to the limit and it's quiet
Meanwhile just buy GTX 1660 super or invest more to 2060 super, and enjoy good working drivers
It`s just works :)
@cesar arias like i said, better drivers and usually nvidia cards has better aib models
@@CobrazHD usually but in the specific case u mention they don't so that's kinda mute but I am pissed w the driver situation, however it isn't that annoying for most people including myself and you end up w better performance
@@mikkodoria4778 get yourself unigine superposition or heaven, occt or furmark and then in the performance section of the drivers enable advanced controls for oc and start decreasing the maximal voltage bit by bit and testing in the unigine benchmark. Eventually you reach voltage so low you will see artifacts in unigine. Once you find the lowest level where you think you're stable check with occt 3d stress test running (this shows the number of errors generated even if they're so smal they're invisible to the naked eye.) Keep finetuning thr voltage up and down until you reach a level that is as low as possible but you still generate no errors. give it 5-10mV more just in case and this will be you lowest stable voltage. Probably you can reduce the voltage by about 50-100mV which will make a noticeable difference in temperature and will keep your clocks higher if you're hitting the boost power limits. There's quite a bit of margin left. With 5600xt and i won't be surprised if you manage to overclock the card to its maximal (quite tight) limits and still undervolt.
MSI’s R9 390 was the last decent AMD card they have made Imo.. even then I had to repaste the card to keep it from throttling.. they put 3x more paste than needed. I’ll never buy an MSI AMD variant again.. I’m straight sapphire now