I pretty much agree with the ranking and it sucks that in dark souls 1 you don't fight anyone in their prime. When Gwyn was not holloed and just a shell of himself he nearly killed all dragons and created lightning magic (if I remember correctly) and Artorias had his arm broken. this is just what ifs but if even just those two hadn't been corrupted or hollowed it would likely move him to hunter or even the ashen one. I might just be upset with the ranking but i believe if everyone (all the ppl on this list) fought enemies in their prime the ranking would be much different. thats all
Ashen one also kills ds3 dogs. These entities are known to possess dimension warping powers with their ability to teleport behind you from outside your fov
@spazzmaticus9086 idk man, if you watch limit breakers video on the dogs, he shows a free cam. The dogs will literally teleport behind you. Guess we're saying the same thing a different way.
@@ryanvandoren1519 I also got my information from the limit breakers video, and he does specify how the dogs are technically still moving, it's just that they are invisible when out of the players view, giving the illusion of teleportation.
But how strong is that god? Miquella is NOT a warrior, I would argue that defeating Radagon is a much more impressive feat because he is both Elden lord and a god (according to the Gold Mask's quest)
@@guerreiroazul3230 Miquella may not be a warrior, but he is fresh, at peak power and spamming it relentlessly. Radagon is much less impressive in his fight by comparison. I certainly think the Marika/Radagon fusion is not at peak power in that fight, you can see it from the crumbling body too. Also, never found Radagon that impressive a warrior. The best he has on resume is being tied to Marika, and a stalemate with Rennala in the Liurnian Wars. Hell, he was just handed his position as Elden Lord by virtue of that connection, he didn't do shit to prove himself for it like Godfrey or the Tarnished. Peak Radahn is more impressive than normal Radagon as a warrior.. he was even looking up to Godfrey as a warrior's role model rather than his own father lol.
@@Saqr-rv6lbso many times I wished we got armor that doubles as weapons. Like in the DLC Dane gets a seal as a necklace and I feel like having it would be so cool
If we were smart we would know Who actually is the Fromsoftware hidrogen bomb, and as a clue, is from one of the recent games... HELL YEAH, A F*CKING ARMORED CORE, WHO ASKED ABOUT WHAT SOME LAME BOY DID AND CAN DO , SEND HIM A GRANADE THAT CAN DESINTEGRATE HIM ON A 200M RADIOUS
I would like to give one extra piece of info for the Hunter of Bloodborne. When you kill a boss you are told 'Prey Slaughtered' Implying that YOU are the one that's meant to be feared. Not the boss.
@@Nexooshto be fair, the true eldritch beings don't give a prey slaughtered message, they give "Nightmare Slain", which is, IMO, even more impressive verbiage.
@@NexooshNot be be a lore nerd but Ebrietas isn’t a Great One, referred to in game as a “failed great one” as in she failed in becoming one, leaving her behind as a simple Kin, albeit a very strong one. As for Amygdala, it can be inferred that due to there being not one but many Amygdala, they are a form of lesser great one. This is further evidenced by the fact they are never the source of a Nightmare like all the other very powerful Great Ones we face are, as shown by the “Nightmare Slain” message not appearing for Amygdala, but doing so for Mergo’s Wet Nurse, Moon Presence, and Orphan of Kos.
8:40 have you noticed dead demons and just the lack of them in DS3? Chaos is extinguished, demons are slowly turning extinct, due to Bearer of the Curse, Chad Ivory King and Alsanna
I always liked how each boss in the ringed city is a finale You fight the last demon(s) The last remnant of the church The last archdragon And finally, the last man
While Dark Souls 1 rat does have deadly poison, the actually strongest rats are Elden Ring rats, as they can lunge trice as far like Bloodborne rats, grow into enormous sized far more often, and are much tankier than all the others.
Have not had the courage to finish darks souls 1 because of those rats💀🙏🏽, i can at least play through ds3, bloodborne and elden ring without seeing them but those rats are the bane of my existence
Doesn't ashen one do that too? I know in ds1 and ds2 there are times when you fight at night or day but in ds3 it's literally always day no matter where you are. I bet he did take longer than the hunter though to link the first flame
@@mastershadow3894i don’t think ds3 has a normal day night cycle. The sun is an illusion as seen by the latter half of the game where the sun is revealed to be a darksign (with the exception of the dragon peak which has a sun due to the firstborn son’s influence)
Okay yes and no, the events happen in one “night” the night is extended by the great ones so what appears to be one night might actually have been days, months or even years because time literally had 0 meaning
Its you. You Are the strongest character. You slayed the old warriors, the demons, the outer horrors, the demigods. You faced it all and came out on top.
There's a theory that the Tarnished is actually a demi-god The opening cutscene after starting a new game/character, you can hear the sound of a walking mausoleum This could mean that is where Tarnished woke up from after receiving the grace of gold (and/or a soul) The walking mausoleum supposedly only houses "the soulless demigods" based on the description of the Eclipse Crest Heater Shield
I'm pretty sure canonnically the dark souls 2 protaganist becomes an immortal unhallwoing undead and leaves the flame. I don't beleive he is apart of the soul of cinder.
@@epicn00b Well arguably Dark Souls 1 Dark Lord ending seems to be canon *(only after DLC) and not inside Soul of Cinder as well since he doesn't spam black sorceries, only blue ones.
Ds3 clearly sets up the theme that everyone keeps rekindling the first flame, the ds2 guy didnt so it just sat there until some smuck walts in and jumps into a fire since we already beat everyone?? That doesnt even make sense, DS3 shows that you have to be really strong to even link the flame and its obvious the ds2 protag is the one to do it in his era, he's the one who holds all 4 lord souls
I play the trilogy as the same character so they kind of are in the Soul of Cinder. Chosen Undead links the flame, all their souls/power is burned away. Later they are reincarnated into a new body, the Bearer of the Curse. They refuse to link the flame this time and wander the world as other champions burn up. They later try to take on Soul of Cinder but their heart isn’t in it so they are defeated and burned to ash. Later, the bell rings and they give it a genuine attempt, succeed, then snuff out the flame in attempt to end the cycle.
@@GreatRaijinWe never actually see the Lord Souls though in the fight, it’s very likely that the Bearer is one of the few people who actually survived the events of DS3.
@@somebodyanonymous4608 you have opened my eyes, Patches is Miyasaki, thats why there he is not present in dark souls 2, now we have to measure Miyasaki strength
Finally someone ranks them properly with lore in mind. Fr I saw people saying hunter has super-human speed because he dodges bullets, like what are they smoking.
The hunter is capable of dodging bullets after they were fired without quickstep and they can dodge darkbeast parl's lightning shockwave at point blank range with a quickstep. They definetly have superhuman speed. However, most souls protagonists have superhuman speeds as well.
@@Voodoo_Occasions if hunter has superhuman speed, why does it take him so long to run from point a to b, if they are seeing the world in slow motion how come they run out of stamina after 15 second of running a short distance. If dodging those bullets give hunter superhuman speed Bloodborne dogs probably move lightspeed. Slow projectiles are a gameplay design choice, they are not relevant to the lore.
@nephistos3746 They are important to the lore because the enemies the hunter canonically fights use guns, so unless you are saying that a normal human could dodge bullets your point is idiotic. If the hunter didn't have superhuman speed they wouldn't have gotten past the first area. So I am going to dismantle your arguments 1 by 1.
@nephistos3746 You play from the hunter's perspective. How long it takes for you to go from point A to B is irrelevant as you play from the perspective of a hunter that can dodge lightning. A normal Bloodborne run takes at least 10 hours to complete yet the whole game takes place in a single night although time being diluded in the dream makes this one of the weaker counterpoints. I think of it like the hunter is moving normally in their perspective, but everything else sees him as fast. Think about it with only movement speed the hunter wouldn't be able to dodge anything. It is a mix of reaction speed and movement speed. So it makes sense that the hunter seems to be moving normally in their perspective due to higher reaction speed = how fast your brain is able to percieve events = the general speed you see the world. This also explains why enemies seem to attack slowly, even trained hunters seem to have massive wind ups before attacking. However, lorewise Alfred is able to swing the Kirkhammer at Hypersonic speeds.
Good list good list, but i can't help but imagine Good Hunter and Bearer of the Curse looking over at the Tarnished like "how does it feel to know that you have the most endings and yet none of them set you free?"
@@saninpain gaining freedom and offing yourself is a little different things. At best just champion of another outer bufoon in the form of Frenzied Flame
@@The6Rude6Dude6 His name literally is Sekiro, in the last fight isshin even says come at me sekiro and well done sekiro. Wolf is the name given from his father.
@@courier6640 for a guy underWATER in range of ancient dragon lightning strike, you sure waving your fake hand quite a lot But fr tho, Sekiro hand is pretty dope
That’s because an ashen one and an undead are separate versions of humanity. The undead are humans imprinted with the dark sign, whereas ashen ones are the ash of an undead given new life with the power of the gwyn’s fire
The Tarnished can probably beat a mech or 2. People beating mechs without their own is nothing new, take the Legend of Heroes series (specifically Cold Steel and later), in battles it isnt forced, you can wreck the mechs faster than when the games force you to, depending on party at leaat.
@@jaredcrabb ehh mech kinda undersells how cracked armored cores are. The tarnished could absolutely 1v1 a fodder mt, but a properly setup ac is more akin to a heavily armored jet with legs and more firepower and nexts are flat out wmds that bend physics and have virtually impenetrable shields
I'd scale the Ashen One below the Chosen Undead purely because Lothric is a faded remnant of Lordran. Sure the Lords aren't in their prime but they're still leagues above the Lords of Cinder: a slug in a pool of its own waste, a giant sitting on his throne waiting for his friend to kill him, a group of warriors who amount to 1 lord that fell to infighting, and two princes with one deficient of mind and the other of body while the Chosen undead slayed an avatar of death, the inventor of magic, the mother of all demons, the avatars of the Abyss and of course Manus, father of the abyss
@@burghleyimeanberdly6513 ashen one is either potentially the strongest of the 3 Ds protags or the weakest. It really comes down to whether or not soul of cinder was as faded as the first flame and if gael ate more things other than the Pygmy kings.
you know, that does make me curious though when you specifically look at the abyss wathcers, how strong they actually are. I mean it's basically just a bunch of pvpers who just kill each other and infinitely respawn over and over lol. Like they have to be pretty damn strong after awhile.
Except that the Flame fames solely because it requires more and more power as it continues to grow, the reason the world is covered in ash is because the flame asks for so much power that the entire world is starting to get consumed by it. That's also why at the end of the dlc the entire world is nothing but ash, the age of fire has gone for so long that the first flame burnt everything there is and ever was into a endless desert of ashes. Lothric is stronger than Lodran ever was, but they were born twice as sick cuz the world was twice as harsher in their birth, everything sucked more for them than it ever did for Lodran, basically
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub I think Gael's strength it's not about what or how much he ate, more about his being the incarnation of every source of power left on that world (exept you). As long as a world hosts any source of power, that source represents a world-scale power, so it's the dark soul that Gael possesses
i would put hunter in second, because the ashen one's first failure, i think his failure should count as a negative point, while hunter was a dying random person that ascended to godhood in 1 night
Though you can easily say the failure of the Ashen one made him more experienced afterwards. Also, because the new game plus in Bloodborne starts right away, you can assume that no matter what hunter does, he is not able to break the chain, which for what ever reason exists. This implies that he is not keeping his power even if he manages to ascend to godhood.
@@luisesteves5929 You really can't use NG+ when talking about lore. In that case, every protagonist of every souls game is stuck in an infinite cycle and has to start over from scratch.
@@DankMemes-xq2xm You don't understand me at all. I say, that because you have no choice to start new game plus in Bloodborne because, if you defeat the final boss, it immediately starts ng+. I get what you mean though. The same happens in Ds1, and there I wouldn't call it a loop. But like I said, "you can assume".. Doesn't mean that it needs to be 100% true.
Theres many hints at the fact that The Tarnished is actually a demigod illegitimate child of Marika, who once upon a time died without achieving anything of note and being entombed in a walking mausoleum, then taken by the maiden to the church where you wake up to have your head grafted onto your body once more, but before you wake up she dies of wounds inflicted by the scion and so you begin your journey. This comes from japanese translations of the description of the walking mausoleums, since those (og descriptions) imply that the mausoleums house the remains of illegitimate demigods who await resurrection. In the beggining of the game the presumed sounds of the shattering are also similar to what a walking mausoleum creates. Also when Gideon dies in his fight he says that no MERE tarnished can become elden lord, but it might not be an insult but a realisation that YOU are NOT a MERE tarnished. All of those hints combined with both Miyazaki and Martin being who they are im fairly certain we play a Demigod son of Marika in Elden Ring.
I mean only thing that would make this believable is just how much Japaneses and RR love incestuous romance....wait a sec tarnished and ranni......oh shit I see
Tbh most Elden Ring theories qualify under "a bit of a stretch". This is a cool theory, albeit one I personally abhor for one simple reason; it makes the Tarnished someone innately special. Part of the charm of these games is that you ever play the underdog, a nobody who has to overcome impossible odds both as the character and as the actual player. But being born a demigod? That's almost akin to being the chosen one... Which goes against the core concept of these games.
@@terraflyer23 But not G.R.Martin. Since hes the one who wrote the story as far as i remember this fact could be a matter of compromise on bith sides since they don't usually do chosen ones and Martin sorta does they couldve left it ambiguous.
Hm... I wonder if the Mortal Blade is truly an advantage, or if it depends on the source of immortality. I mean, in the Dark Souls trilogy, the immortality stems from Gwyns curse, from the Dark Sign. Or in Elden Ring, it comes from the absence of the Rune of Death. Especially in Elden Ring, the Mortal Blade would have to go against the laws of the world to kill someone. But it is a very interesting question, I would love to know what would happen were the Mortal Blade was used in any of the other FromSoft universes.
Well killing with the Red Mortal Blade gives out the screen message of Immortality Severed so I would assume that if there is a source of immortality whether that be a great source of power or a mere link that the bearer relies upon, the Mortal Blade can handily do the job. The Elden Ring example you gave probably won't work with the Red Mortal Blade given that it's more like a stasis than anything to be severed. The Red Mortal Blade doesn't bend the order of nature after all. It is simply a tool that trims abuse against the natural order.
The Tarnished had destined death explode in his face and flung him all the way from Farum Azula to Leyndell and they were fine. His immortality even worked against Mind Control(Miquella), Other outer god influences(Scarlet rot) and even DEPRESSION (Lamenter). They got full control of the death rune during that cutscene.
I think with the tarnished it matters more where they fought? If they fought in sekiros universe I don't think he would need the mortal blade because death very much exsists for most people there. But if they fought in the lands between it's hard to say really
God is a term used to describe beings of varying power in souls games. On one hand you have beings like Marika, and Gwyn. Gods, yet inescapably linked to reality and its natures. Beings who have taken power, or been given it by greater entities or forces. Yet are slaves to that very power. One the other hand you have entities like The Great ones, and Elden Rings outer Gods. Transcendent and whos nature isn't governed by space and time, and are anathema to the minds of those within. They hold the power to shape existence itself with their influence.... Needless to say the Hunter didn't just become a God. He became a transcendent Great One. A god among gods.
@@jamesloucks2562 not really.. As the "gods" That the players slays are unlike the ones on blood borne. Bc Even though bro called them gods in this video. He only fought one god. In the whole story. Iirc.. That is the last fight. You see. The "gods" He fought were less of a god and more a transcendent beings that were left on earth by the true transcendent ones. The gods on blood borne are possibly one of the most powerfull gods prop equal to or more powerfull than the Outer gods of elden ring.. Like the Golden order or Flames of Frenzy. Bc they are beings that have ascended to higher dimensions.. And transcended all of reality. The ones we see the mc fights are basically leftovers of those who were unable to transcend to a higher dimention. And mc becomes one of those eldrich gods.. Basically on the same par as that of basically the golden order or the flames of frenzy or the scarlet rot. But it also means that je is unable to interact with the mortal plane.. Or only care enough to prop send an envoy to it.
@BlueCHMA lol, dude you have no actual evidence that displays that Bloodborne gods are somehow stronger than other souls games gods. I hear this all the time and it's stupid, you think the word "transcended" Suddenly makes them a more dangerous threat in a fight. The Great ones killed in games are GREAT ONES, you even kill a few in thier own realms. You have no actual backing for your argument. Elden Ring gods are shown to have much more destructive power than the Great Ones do, and the player still kills them.
Another impressive tarnished thing is malikiths sword technically kills anything with one touch in lore so canonically tarnished beat malikith without being hit even once
The ashen one not only fought 4 "Chosen Undeads" ie people who previously linked the flame, meaning rank 3's in the powerscaling, he also fought the literal embodiement and amalgamation of the other chosen undeads + Gwyn in the form of Soul of Cinder. Not only that he freakin' fought Gwyn's son and his dragon mount, who's also an Undead which one could argue makes him even tougher. And then he also fights a master swordsman of londor who posses the black flame, the last living dragon Midir who's boosted by the dark which arguably makes him stronger than literal manus, last but not the least, Gael, the last living thing at the end of time. Fuckin' epic.
4 "chosen undeads" added along with everyone you beat throughout the game when linking the fire barely covers the ashen ones body its a pretty explicit theme and message throughout the game that the present is faaar lesser than in the past in massive part of keeping the 1st flame lit everything that has modicum of power has already burned and the literal dregs is keeping it from keeling over. Its pretty clear cut when you compare the 2 fire link endings that the power of the souls is so degraded its barely keeping the 1st flame intact.
I really like your interpretation of the lore in the Dark Souls games, particularly 2! Very good job, I wasn't expecting this kind of analysis in a video like this.
@@Tom-Dawgwell the gods they face are at most fake ones. Like even marika was only a puppet under the golden order. Bro became an eldrich god that transcended to higher dimensions.. Becoming equal to the likes of those like the golden order or the flames of frenzy. And possibly even more powerfull. But we just dont know how powerful an eldrich transcendent one is.
@ and lore wise he faced them with ease, he didn’t even get hit ONCE during malikeths fight which was way more dangerous than anything the hunter has gone thru. The hunter hasn’t faced destined death. I love both games but cmon man💀
Technically that’s a giant misconception without proof, the rune of death just holds the fated death of the demigods and they’re immortal cause it was taken from the Elden Ring. Rune of death and destined death only one shots demigods
In defence of Hunter The older ones are not comparable to the panthone gods They are based on the outer gods They are not fighter nor in their weaker form The fact that he can stand in their presence let alot touch then is beyond a lot what other characters can do However I can see your point in ranking them all of them Have a nice day
It's so awesome to see a list like this from someone that actually understands the lore and mechanics. Not some journalist who played a demo for 15 mins. Love your work ❤
Tarnished by the end is absurdly strong. Consort radhan is the embodiment of moghs body which buffs radhan powers, radhan soul with combat experience, and a true living god Miquella. Fact tarnished beats them is insane
The body of a demigod powered up by a god, the soul of one of the strongest fighters to have lived with a femboy full god. I agree, PCR was not meant to be won, and the fact that the tarnished could is proof enough that they are the strongest (in my opinion)
A boss doesn’t hunt prey. A hunter has its prey. What do you personally think Elden Beast is? Not a monster from outer space that controls the entire world? Because that’s what it is.
@@scoobymountindoo9644yeah but hunter does not hunt moster from space. Hunter hunts higher dimensional beings. You cant understand them and you cant understand their language. Their language itself hold power to bend reality when written down. And the ones hunter hunts are those who failed to transcend. But by the end.. He becomes a true eldrich being. Yk.. Kinda like the golden order of the flames of frenzy.. But maybe even stronger.. Bc.. Through scaling alone it seems like the eldrich gods in bloodborne are stronger than the outer gods in elden ring. Bc the eldrich gods are such a higher dimensional beings than humans that humans cant even comprehend what they are. They are literally incomprehensible. Their words written down breaks the laws of reality and give mortals powers.
I agree with your sekiro placement for the most part but I think he is worth the caveat that he is probably the most skilled swordsman/warrior of any of the protagonists. Short of downloading like a devil may cry or monster hunter mod you can’t pull off some of the swordplay or acrobatics that Sekiro can.
Persephone is a Cthonic deity and queen of the underworld with such epithets as dread as in Dread Persephone, I ain't picking a fight with that, god killing weapon or not. With Aphrodite, however, it depends, if it’s the newer more common epithets than based on information from the Iliad I think I could take her but if it’s her oldest epithet than absolutely not. Either way she is the youngest daughter to the corporeal incarnation of the heavens Ouranos but her oldest epithet/ original form is as a goddess of war, so at best on par with Athena and Ares however we have to consider that logically she should be older than those two so at worst your essentially looking at the Titan of war.
some things I'd like to just say. You mentioned that in each Dark Souls game the cycle of fire continues, but I don't think that is the case with dks3. The cycle seems so tired when you link the flame that I think the next subsequent Ashen one won't be able to re-ignite it. Dks3 also has a few other interesting endings where I feel like the Ashen one transcends the cycle like how you said bearer of the curse does. Lastly the defeat of slave knight gael is in my mind a monumental task. When we encounter gael we do so at the end of all things. Gael is missing just one fragment of the dark soul, which is our own. This means that gael has likely hunted down all fragments from the original progenitor pygmy which likely means all of humanity. You can see how he can barely hold back all of the humanity within him by the way his cloak has screaming faces. Now I don't think your list is incorrect, just wanted to gush about the ashen one vs gael a bit haha. EDIT: Wouldn't be a comment on a darksouls vid without people arguing in the replies haha...
You’re wrong about gael. The dark soul has been burned away for thousands of years, and he gets defeated by someone that can barely even link the flame. He’s one of the weakest bosses in terms of lore
@@Scowleasy You must be trolling. One of the main reasons the age of fire was around was to try and keep the Dark Soul in check by dealing with humanities champion's in a way that keeps the god's in power. Nothing shows that the Dark Soul was any weaker and the Ashen One didn't just barely link the fire like you claim.
@@ScowleasyThe Dark Soul was feared specifically because it could split itself infinitely and never lose its power or potential. Because of this, Gwyn hijacked humanity and used them as the foundation of the Age of Fire. It’s impossible to “burn away” the Dark Soul because it’s literally infinite. So long as Humans exist, so too will the Dark Soul.
@@dragonearth5456Manus was a problem because his humanity became wild and thats the furtive pigmee after splitting the dark soul to all of humanity imagine a dude who now has collected pretty much all of it and its only missing one part
@@quetzalcoatl1013 What? the dark soul cant "split itself infinitely" it like the light soul just both have the capability to be partitioned to small pieces but it is no way endless or infinite in power/potential we literally see and hear that Gael needed to gather dried up pieces of the dark soul from the pygmy lords which I remind you is the direct successor of the pygmy they had the biggest part of the dark but even at the very end of the world are similarly affected by the entropy. iirc gwyn made use of the dark soul since it grows stronger or maybe wilder when the flame begins to snuff out again i dont direcly recall this specifically but the fact that Gael had to gather the dark soul within himself tells us it degraded to the point that the biggest pieces had to be combined to make paint for a new painted world.
Personally(I’m biased btw so yes i admit i am incorrect) my opinion on the hunter is that they should be two. When it comes to game mechanics off rip, other characters tend to roll and lug around armor and large inventories. Not only do most of them have access to and will use armor, but they have access to a wider array of equipment and even through all of that, they seem unsure, clumsy with their weapons and armor, rolling and some even using large amounts of stamina to do so. When they kill an enemy, they typically get monster or enemy slain or victory achieved. Something of the sort is fine and all, but the hunter is different entirely. Lock on and dodge mechanics suggest a significantly more adept predator, able to weave through, and slaughter waves of enemies, more often than not without being hit a single time. This is all with the knowledge that, early on, this character is no special race, no old immortal warrior who knew of what was happening.They were just a regular ole person going to get treatment for a sickness, just to get infused with (maybe) the blood of a god that they have to nurture into something greater. No armor, no shields. Just unimaginable speed, dexterity, and bloodlust. That is another thing that has to be mentioned. Many of the other characters must absorb or drink to heal. Hunter on the other hand simply must attack you in quick succession to regenerate the lost health back, sometimes all the way back to uninjured. This is without the mention of switching movesets mid fight without having to change out weapons, all the while the world around them actually becomes more dangerous alongside the power they generate in the form of insight, conjuring up Erdrich horrors that made many outside of the hunter go outright insane, meanwhile the hunter casually strutts around getting “Prey slaughtered” upon most boss kills and “nightmare slain” on great one kills. Its like the hunter felt it was easy even in the beginning, and consuming insight only made things more interesting for them, with an ending being them literally becoming an infant great one. This was after MURDERING ONE THAT GAVE THEM IMMORTALITY TO BEGIN WITH PURELY OUT OF SPITE.
I think im starting to believe that theory from a video that I saw that the Tarnished is actually one of the soulless demigods because you can hear their steps and the sound of the bell when you wake up because there is no way you are that powerful, even more powerful then the other tarnished, that can even kill a god, unless, you are also a demigod or maybe Marika chose you and gave you plot armor, I dont know lol. Either way, great video. Keep it up.
Let's not forget the Tarnished is canonically the fastest of the protagonists as he can perform light speed attack with Radhan light greatsword and avoid Miquella lightbeams
@@lilbrimu I'm talking about the lore, ofc the tarnished doesn't move at the speed of light because we wouldn't be able to see them but the item description say they do and they're always absolute
@@ThatGuy-ce7rw why? Radhan's great sword makes you perform a light speed attack which is at the speed of light, it's written like that, it's no exaggeration or hyperbole because item descriptions are always right, it's the words of the developer unless it's quoting someone in game. If you don't think it's a light speed attack because tarnished don't move at the speed of light then yeah no shit it's a game the character can't move at light speed otherwise the game would be unplayable same as using death blade doesn't stop enemy from respawning
@@tooru-kun4178 people truly believe things on a surface level, dont beat urself up arguing with them lol, “its not actually 🤓 lightspeed because its clearly slower than (whatever)”
I believe its the hunter because while 4 example the tarnished beats gods affecting a planet, the hunter defeats beings who feats are at the very least outerversal. Also THEY ARE ELDRITCH CTHULU ENTITIES
If we're going strictly by lore. Then it's 1: Tarnished 2: Chosen Undead 3: The Hunter Something you missed is that lore wise for Dark Souls, souls are lost in every cycle. The world's power is dwindling as the flame burns. To the point that by the 3rd game there is nothing but embers left. The chosen Undead may have only fought most of the gods weakened, but in lore, even in their weakened state they were more powerful than any of the bosses in the sequels. And some of the gods he killed weren't weakened at all. Such as the god of death Nito, Father of the Abyss Manos, and Seath the Scaleless. The Ashen one was only ever fighting ghosts of the past.
Asides from Sekiro, it's just a simple "powercreep" progression of the games getting more "epic", faster and more detailed in combat gameplay Is this lore?
The Ashen One is literally fighting in collapsing timelines as seen in the Ringed City and fighting the Soul Of Cinder. The Dark Souls verse is basically a black hole that is the first flame but at a cosmic scale which is why time and space is merging to begin with.
@@IveBeenWithBrumathe tarnished is able to kill someone with the power of deleting your from existence (maliketh), the daughter of an immortal entity that can throw black holes, event horizons, supernova, and the son (elden beast) who is literally the definition of rules of the universe. Elden ring protagonist is a living cheat code
@@AtomicZamurai The Ashen One technically has the highest cosmology feats since it is a collapsing multiverse. Plus they are slaying beings who were capable of killing their own great lords to link the first flame only the Ashen One has to do it again this time with the equivalent of several chosen as their souls instead of the great lords.
Prime Radahn got beaten by Malenia in his own home, and Miquella is not a warrior so his presence is mute outside of maybe the light attacks if you want to interpret them as light speed. The hunter also has light speed as he dodges Ebrietas' laser, has fought beings even greater than the Outer Gods (something that the Tarnished doesn't come close to doing) and his immortality is forever, whild the Tarnished's immortality is iffy seeing as how many Tarnished just die and don't come back like Dialos, Vyke and D.
@@guerreiroazul3230 Radhan was still holding back the Stars at the point of fighting Malenia and was still not tired while Malenia was about to die it wouldn't even have been close if Radahn didn't hold back the stars at that time.
If you consider the lore than there is also to say that the hunter killed all those Great Ones, that are basically gods for the Hplovecraft universe, in just one single night. For how much I like Sekiro and wished he was ranked higher I also think the hunter is number 1
The Great Ones are not really comparable to the Outer Gods. The Outer Gods are not actual physical beings, like the Great Ones, they are universal forces. Most of the Great Ones are just humans that ascended, and they do not have power over the laws of nature like the Gods do in Elden Ring. They have dimensional powers (the power to create Nightmares is the only impressive one here) and the ability to affect human minds and bodies. But a God in ER can reshape the nature of the entire world. If you control the Elden Ring, you can literally remove the concept of Death from the laws of nature. Nothing, in any other FromSoft game, can ever be compared to that.
Who's the strongest "Soul" character? Raven (or whoever the pilot is) from Armored Core series. If we factor in the players too, it'll be Wolf from Sekiro, because I'm sure Ong Bal can even parry a Karasawa, and Let me Solo Her, because I'm sure he can solo anything.
I 100% disagree with the Hunter being number 3. Lovecraftian beings don’t NEED to have incredible combat skills because most people can’t even comprehend them. If any other MC fought great ones they would die before they even knew what they were fighting. Maybe except the Tarnished.
Aye, merely being able to observe and comprehend the eldritch- nevermind actually being able to interact with, harm or even KILL THEM- implies that the character is genuinely, outright simply "built different". The Gods you fight still are not particularly powerful fighters, with most of their otherworldly power amounting to little more than "glowing bullets of energy" or "giant light explosion", this still does not really take away from the fact that you still need to be able to interact with them to begin with. Tarnished uniquely fits this requirement, as many of the greater powers in Elden Ring are literally just Outer Gods, or avatars of them. And Tarnished kills them, as well.
Also.. The fact that the eldrich beings that you fight in blood born are those that are left on earth unable to ascend to a higher dimention. I think the moon presence is the only true transcendent one you defeated.. And that resulted in you turning into one.. Which you will prop surpass.
Hunter becomes a great one. That’s not some casual power up, moon presence casually creates dimensions and can cause madness on a cosmic scale. Some great ones like oedon are so powerful they’re not even included in the game, said to be formless and omnipotent. These beings cosmic, some of course are weak, or “lesser” like ebriatas whose way past her prime or the brain of mensis who was imprisoned by the school of mensis. But the heavy hitters i would argue are on par with elden ring’s outer gods, which to show the sheer power gap between them and anything we fight in elden ring, general radan held back the stars supposedly on a universal scale. Malenia is merely empowered by the outer god of the scarlet rot, and when she realized she was outmatched she unleashed the scarlet rot, which completely nulified radan and utterly destroyed his mind, leaving him wandering in the red desert for a quick death. That’s just a portion of an outer god’s strength, in elden ring they are so far beyond anything in that realm that they don’t even interfere aside from of course the greater will who wants us to fix the world under their rule. The idea that we as the protagonist not only defeated a great one on the powerscale of the moon presence, but also ascend to literal outer god level, imo the hunter takes it. Until we see the tarnished kill an outer god (which hey it can happen in an elden ring 2) i dont think the tarnished is on par with the hunter in their final forms
Fucking excellent arguments for all characters. I absolutely loved how you explained how the hunter is incredibly strong but not able to necessarily present that fact considering he is immune to the godly powers in the game. I do love the tarnished though and I do believe the tarnished is a hard number one.
I think you're confusing Aphrodite for Athena. Aphrodite is the goddess love, beauty and fertility. Athena is the goddess of warfare (among other things).
how is this even possible to determine when you have custom characters? sekiro is the only game with a set protagonist, with no multiplayer or pvp where other tarnished, ashen, etc. can invade you as one yourself. and ai invasions, which means it can't not be canon or whatever. the tarnished is objectively the strongest. 😭
Important thing with the Hunter, depending on the ending he becomes an Old One. The difference there between the Hunter as a God and any of the other God's killed is he remembers his fighting skill, he may have a different form, but he will remember the principles, and with how powerful they are he could probably sculpt a human form for himself. Then he has the Power of an eldritch God with the skills of a soulsborne protagonist. And no one he fights will be full of PaleBlood, so none of them will be naturally immune or highly resistant to his powers.
Slayer of demon's has uninterruptable hyper armour on cursed dragon bone smasher rolling attacks and running firestorm He would destroy every other build imo
Dark Lothric straight sword, lothric shield, chaos dagger 30/30 split fth/int Hornet ring Drakeblood/dragonslayer armor Try something? Get parried and one-shot. Get hit? Destruction in a few incredibly quick R1s.
I still believe that the hunter is the strongest, because when they fight gods they are actual gods that can reshape reality, but when we talk about gods in dark souls their usually people who acquire some form of assent soul.
I was thinking the tarnished has to be at the top. Looking from a real world perspective, a lot of Elden Ring seems to be geared toward drawing in new players. It essentially teaches you how to Dark Souls. The weird part is, it does this by throwing bosses at you with some insane attack patterns, making you learn to dodge, study their moves, etc. When I first started playing Elden Ring, I got stuck on the Page in the Academy for hours. I couldn't win. Now, they seem laughably easy. Turns out, by throwing the fast, hard hitters at you, it forces you to learn and adapt better. Then, you go play Dark Souls, and it's like, "Oh, these guys are slow, and they telegraph their moves. I can handle this." It was actually a brilliant move. From Soft didn't make easy mode. They made you learn. They made the game harder, and it works.
arguably the biggest achievement of the chosen undead is not manus but bed of chaos since he puts out the flame of chaos which consumed even the witch of izalith and two of her daughters together.
Actually, the “your enemies are past their prime” trope is in Elden Ring too. Maliketh - his black blade is stated to be a shadow of its former self. Godfrey - he literally died once Placidusax (possibly one of the strongest enemies the tarnished has faced) - was abandoned, missing 3 heads and a piece of his tail Metyr - gone schizo Radagon - hes crumbling in pieces Elden Beast - wounded and abandoned The tarnished probably would still beat these characters at full strength (because he’s immortal, except maybe Maliketh & Placidusax) but saying they’re not weakened when we go in is preposterous. The point is that this world is shattered and is in desperate need of fixing. The bosses represent that. Malenia - missing her eyes (which is why we fight in water) half her limbs are rotted away. Promised Consort Radahn - pretty much braindead, in a smaller, weaker body.
Godfrey is still at full strength because grace immortality doesn't have any negative effects Metyr was simply abandoned. Her strength is still the same Elden beast was simply using Marika as a vessel to reside in. It's not weakened Malenia was born with the blessing of an outer god and rotted even before the shattering. Miquella halted her progression with the golden needle which then she abandoned and fully embraced her blessing and became stronger. Promised consort has the blessing of the formless mother and miquella combined and is stronger than prime Radahn.
@@TESTAROSSAWR Godfrey is old. Metyr has a fucking open chest wound. Elden beast has a piece of its skeleton missing (shown by its weak zone being where Marika struck it) Malenia has 1 arm and leg and no eyes. PC Radahn is a zombie, and the formless mothers “blessing” just gives you her magic not necessarily amps you, Miquella does help a bit but a truly prime Radahn would be stronger.
@@justaguyontheinternet3893 Old age doesn't mean anything to an Elden Lord blessed by grace Elden beast can be killed even without striking the weak point Metyrs 'chest wound' is her vagina where she births little hands Malenia had no eyes and a prosthetic even before the shattering because of her blessing. That might be debilitating but the blessing of rot made her ultimately stronger. You're downplaying the effects that a blessing of two gods has on radahn lorewise. Consort is definitely stronger than prime radahn.
This kind of thing will always be affected by personal opinion as you said. For me, I’d say I believe Hunter is the strongest of the bunch because as you say, insight puts them on the level of gods but they retain their ability to fight. The closest the tarnished ever gets to killing a god is Radagon, but I’m not sure we really kill him as he uses the vessel of Marika which we rebuild in some endings. Tldr: nice argument, however r1-l1-r1-l1-r1-l1
@@burntivoryking stronger than Radagon, yes, but Miquella really didn’t seem all too powerful. All he did was enhance Radahn. The fact the holy beams and whatnot can be used by us through Radahn’s boss weapons suggests the power was imbued in them rather than Miquella attacking from Radahn’s back like Lothric and Lorian in DS3. Without direct access to the Elden Ring, it doesn’t really appear the gods of ER have a lot of personal power which is likely why a consort is needed to begin with
@@Herr_Gamer imo I dont really see the great ones as physically strong. To me it seems like they have a lot of influence but in a fight they arent as powerful as someone like consort radahn. Thats why I would probably say the tarnished is stronger than the hunter. The tarnished also has more weapons and can even mimic the hunters fighting style with certain weapons.
Im still going to put Hunter on top because of 2 things. 1) he can rip your asshole in half using his bare hand with a critical attack 2) they dont wear armor or use shields because its usless against beasts.
I'm going to comment ahead of time-- the most powerful (Protagonists) is between the Bearer of the Curse (DS2) and the Tarnished (ER), these two are absolute literal god-tier protagonist. If you understand how extremely powerful and unbeatable the Dark is, yoh mnow why they would absolutely destroy and/or be the strongest oflver the others. Edit: Hmm 4th huh. Youre going to have to *EXTREMELY* talk up the Ashen One (DS3) and be convincing of the Hunter (Bloodborne) because by power range alone no one even comes close to touching the Tarnished or Bearer of the Curse as they're the most relative but the Tarnished is FAR more powerful.
If we consider similar concepts to be analogous to each other across the games then I think the ending of bloodborne would make the hunter the strongest. In Elden ring, the strongest/most powerful characters are clearly the outer gods such as the god of the frenzied flame, the formless mother, etc.. The eldrich deities in bloodborne are mostly not too strong relative to other characters in the souls series, however the god you have to defeat at the end is different. Not only did it keep an entire mortal world locked into a dream, it also locked in the other gods and hunters along with it. Which is a transcendental power that we haven’t seen much of even in Elden ring since the gods are forced to work through the tarnished and need direct access to the worlds heart in order to achieve a similar effect to the moon presence. The ending has you become a new outer god who will presumably become even more powerful than your predecessor given that you were able to kill them while in a non-godly form. If we consider the concepts of outer gods and their relative powers to be anywhere near analogous then that version of the hunter would easily be the strongest. The other souls characters are always destined to be avatars of some god or higher will, but the hunter will actually reach the level of an outer gods such through no power but his own
How would you rank each souls character?
No more "Bloodborne where" comments, my pc survived the emulator!
lowkey I agree with the entire list
Sekiro is number 1 for me
I think Shura Sekiro could take out half of the other characters
I pretty much agree with the ranking and it sucks that in dark souls 1 you don't fight anyone in their prime. When Gwyn was not holloed and just a shell of himself he nearly killed all dragons and created lightning magic (if I remember correctly) and Artorias had his arm broken. this is just what ifs but if even just those two hadn't been corrupted or hollowed it would likely move him to hunter or even the ashen one. I might just be upset with the ranking but i believe if everyone (all the ppl on this list) fought enemies in their prime the ranking would be much different. thats all
otherwise, this ranking is completely fair.
Slayer of Demons has the amazing ability to climb knee-high walls, making him the third most powerful protagonist behind the Tarnished and Sekiro.
Lmao, true though
"Ewin!!"
"No, you are in, I am out!"
Only some though...
Ashen one in last till they turn the poise on
I'll never understand why they didn't keep this
Ashen one also kills ds3 dogs. These entities are known to possess dimension warping powers with their ability to teleport behind you from outside your fov
not teleportation per se, more like warping out of and then back into reality somewhere else.
@@spazzmaticus9086 so...teleporting..
@@ryanvandoren1519 not really, since they are still moving in real time and don't move instantaneously to be behind you.
@spazzmaticus9086 idk man, if you watch limit breakers video on the dogs, he shows a free cam. The dogs will literally teleport behind you. Guess we're saying the same thing a different way.
@@ryanvandoren1519 I also got my information from the limit breakers video, and he does specify how the dogs are technically still moving, it's just that they are invisible when out of the players view, giving the illusion of teleportation.
"what makes hunter so powerfull?"
Hunter: i cast gun.
When sekiro parries the parry
Ds and Eldenring protag has shields
@Donja-mz6hp I suspect you're the only person who knows that this is the most powerful attack in all of souls unless Metyr really summons a black hole
@@olivierexe2502 Dude, no matter of power or who even cares who would win. Hunter vs Sekrio would go so hard!
Sekiro : I cast parry the bullets like the main character of a shonen
The Tarnished has gotten pretty absurd in terms of feats with SotE. You beat a God and his Lord at the same time.
And multiple people undefeated until the shattering
But how strong is that god? Miquella is NOT a warrior, I would argue that defeating Radagon is a much more impressive feat because he is both Elden lord and a god (according to the Gold Mask's quest)
And Malenia as well
@@guerreiroazul3230 Miquella may not be a warrior, but he is fresh, at peak power and spamming it relentlessly.
Radagon is much less impressive in his fight by comparison. I certainly think the Marika/Radagon fusion is not at peak power in that fight, you can see it from the crumbling body too.
Also, never found Radagon that impressive a warrior. The best he has on resume is being tied to Marika, and a stalemate with Rennala in the Liurnian Wars. Hell, he was just handed his position as Elden Lord by virtue of that connection, he didn't do shit to prove himself for it like Godfrey or the Tarnished. Peak Radahn is more impressive than normal Radagon as a warrior.. he was even looking up to Godfrey as a warrior's role model rather than his own father lol.
@@guerreiroazul3230 it was stated even before DLC, that he was destined to be the strongest empyrian, and yeah, malenia is also an empyrian
Patches solos.
he can travel between universes at his will and TOYS with the souls protagonists
He's also in Armored Core, meaning he has a giant fuckin mech
@@apuffball5754is he on the latest AC game?
@rainqueens1731 nope, but he's in the rest if I remember right
Didn’t Patches originate in AC?
@@gemmafire8628 specifically For Answer as "Patches the Good Luck"
It's all fun and games until Gael's cape get a moveset
tbh I was expecting to get it as a weapon after defeating him instead of the repeating crossbow
@@Saqr-rv6lbso many times I wished we got armor that doubles as weapons. Like in the DLC Dane gets a seal as a necklace and I feel like having it would be so cool
@@Conimon+1
All we got was the thornes armor crap
IG we might get justice in Elden Ring 2 If there ever was one
@@Saqr-rv6lb Miyazaki shut that down. If there is one he ain’t touching it
Then he'd be half of Upper Moon 6!
hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby vs coughing baby vs coughing baby vs coughing baby vs coughing baby vs coughing baby, I won't elaborate
Ok, have a great day 😃👌
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If we were smart we would know Who actually is the Fromsoftware hidrogen bomb, and as a clue, is from one of the recent games...
HELL YEAH, A F*CKING ARMORED CORE, WHO ASKED ABOUT WHAT SOME LAME BOY DID AND CAN DO , SEND HIM A GRANADE THAT CAN DESINTEGRATE HIM ON A 200M RADIOUS
Yeah makes no sense, should've elaborated
@@JoseViktor4099 The only correct answer
The Strongest souls protagonist were the friends we made along the game.
Real Sekiro won't be able to handle the Gank
@@lilbrimuthe fucking monks 💀
They are all dead or clinically insane tho
In fairness, that's kinda true. Solaire and Tarkus forever to be remembered
They're fromsoftware games, the friends we made along the way are all dead.
Sekiro is the strongest, because he can swim.
Lol good point
Also, he CAN TALK!
Also, he CAN STOP THE FRICKING GAME.
And? The Gravity doesn't one shot him!!
Yeah, but he doesn't have a horned horse. Lose.
I would like to give one extra piece of info for the Hunter of Bloodborne. When you kill a boss you are told 'Prey Slaughtered' Implying that YOU are the one that's meant to be feared. Not the boss.
Imagine killing an Eldritch God and calling it “Prey”, badass.
@@Nexooshto be fair, the true eldritch beings don't give a prey slaughtered message, they give "Nightmare Slain", which is, IMO, even more impressive verbiage.
@@BumNanner451and half the time, they're the ones afraid of you
@@BumNanner451 the Great Ones like Amygdala or Ebrietas say “Prey Slaughtered”, and they’re basically gods
@@NexooshNot be be a lore nerd but Ebrietas isn’t a Great One, referred to in game as a “failed great one” as in she failed in becoming one, leaving her behind as a simple Kin, albeit a very strong one. As for Amygdala, it can be inferred that due to there being not one but many Amygdala, they are a form of lesser great one. This is further evidenced by the fact they are never the source of a Nightmare like all the other very powerful Great Ones we face are, as shown by the “Nightmare Slain” message not appearing for Amygdala, but doing so for Mergo’s Wet Nurse, Moon Presence, and Orphan of Kos.
8:40 have you noticed dead demons and just the lack of them in DS3? Chaos is extinguished, demons are slowly turning extinct, due to Bearer of the Curse, Chad Ivory King and Alsanna
Don't demons become extinct because the bed of chaos was their only spawn point?
@@CorfeanNope, the whole old chaos thing happens way after bed of chaos was defeated
CU and the black knights also did a number on them
I always liked how each boss in the ringed city is a finale
You fight the last demon(s)
The last remnant of the church
The last archdragon
And finally, the last man
@@TheAdaoo7Just a man, but last?
That’s no random sewer rat, that’s dark souls 1 rat!!
Their poison status stay on player so long that by the time it runs out my dad comes back home with milk
aAAaaAhhHHh....
YOU DIED
I’ve seen you write this exact… random ass comment in multiple videos now
While Dark Souls 1 rat does have deadly poison, the actually strongest rats are Elden Ring rats, as they can lunge trice as far like Bloodborne rats, grow into enormous sized far more often, and are much tankier than all the others.
Have not had the courage to finish darks souls 1 because of those rats💀🙏🏽, i can at least play through ds3, bloodborne and elden ring without seeing them but those rats are the bane of my existence
The hunter also does everything in a single evening. The journey starts around sunset 5-7pm and the moon presence is fought around 12 am.
Doesn't ashen one do that too? I know in ds1 and ds2 there are times when you fight at night or day but in ds3 it's literally always day no matter where you are.
I bet he did take longer than the hunter though to link the first flame
@@mastershadow3894i don’t think ds3 has a normal day night cycle. The sun is an illusion as seen by the latter half of the game where the sun is revealed to be a darksign (with the exception of the dragon peak which has a sun due to the firstborn son’s influence)
It could also be argued that time is pretty meaningless and nonlinear in the whole souls universe. “Time is convoluted” and all
Okay yes and no, the events happen in one “night” the night is extended by the great ones so what appears to be one night might actually have been days, months or even years because time literally had 0 meaning
Sekiro does everything in a day aswell
Its you. You Are the strongest character. You slayed the old warriors, the demons, the outer horrors, the demigods. You faced it all and came out on top.
Yep, it doesn’t matter what protagonist you’re playing
They’re only capable of these amazing feats because you’re the one controlling them
Well said.
Damn it that’s such a cheap cheesy cop out 🪞
Oh boy! Little old me, she who fears guns, can totally solo Sekiro, the guy who parries lightning casually!
There's a theory that the Tarnished is actually a demi-god
The opening cutscene after starting a new game/character, you can hear the sound of a walking mausoleum
This could mean that is where Tarnished woke up from after receiving the grace of gold (and/or a soul)
The walking mausoleum supposedly only houses "the soulless demigods" based on the description of the Eclipse Crest Heater Shield
I heard that theyre actually a full blown god who lost their memory, or something along those lines.
I'm pretty sure canonnically the dark souls 2 protaganist becomes an immortal unhallwoing undead and leaves the flame. I don't beleive he is apart of the soul of cinder.
They broke the cycle and were the only ones able to do so
@@epicn00b Well arguably Dark Souls 1 Dark Lord ending seems to be canon *(only after DLC) and not inside Soul of Cinder as well since he doesn't spam black sorceries, only blue ones.
Ds3 clearly sets up the theme that everyone keeps rekindling the first flame, the ds2 guy didnt so it just sat there until some smuck walts in and jumps into a fire since we already beat everyone?? That doesnt even make sense, DS3 shows that you have to be really strong to even link the flame and its obvious the ds2 protag is the one to do it in his era, he's the one who holds all 4 lord souls
I play the trilogy as the same character so they kind of are in the Soul of Cinder. Chosen Undead links the flame, all their souls/power is burned away.
Later they are reincarnated into a new body, the Bearer of the Curse. They refuse to link the flame this time and wander the world as other champions burn up. They later try to take on Soul of Cinder but their heart isn’t in it so they are defeated and burned to ash.
Later, the bell rings and they give it a genuine attempt, succeed, then snuff out the flame in attempt to end the cycle.
@@GreatRaijinWe never actually see the Lord Souls though in the fight, it’s very likely that the Bearer is one of the few people who actually survived the events of DS3.
Tarnished just be fighting the craziest shit out of all of them. And having the biggest flashiest attacks etc
Fr bruh
@Donja-mz6hpcomet goes zzzzzzap
@Donja-mz6hpJust block and dodge the grab... It's that easy.
Being flashy doesn't mean stronger.
Honestly, Elden Lord Tarnished would qualify as a godly boss in the other games considering their abilities at that point
Sekiro can jump higher, and swim without drowing. I will not elaborate.
But can he ride a horse, roll, wield hundreds of different weapons, cast magic/incantations, hyperarmor tho?
@@eminkilicaslan8945 no need for that stuff
@@eminkilicaslan8945 No, but he can press the L1 button to deflect most things in existence (unless a funny red symbol happens to appear above them).
@@thatgamingkiwi1630 did you know the meaning of red symbol
@@sleepingfool-v2f Looked it up real quickly and apparently it translates to "danger", very appropriate for attacks like that.
Everyone gangsta until Handler Walter goes "I have a job for you 621"
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bait used to be - HOLY SHIT IS THAT RAVEN
Bearer of the number 9 in the ac series have way better skill , hide their skill and refuse to die.
Destroy 9-ball
The Bearer of the Curse is like the Big Boss of Dark Souls. Sipping martinis on a beach somewhere while the world could really use his help
"Bearer, seek, seek, lest my throat go dry, another martini!"
What’s op is having the ability to phase through anything just by doing a dodge roll or jumping a few feet off the ground.
Uh, Patches isn't on this list. Null and Void.
But which patches is stronger?
Why would he? I kill him in every game. Across every universe, I will kill him 🎉
@@maiagates9130 probably elden ring patches since they don't do know bullshit and just kick you off a cliff leading you to death.
@@maiagates9130 Just as you are the same player behind the MC every single time, Patches is the same kicky guy every single time.
@@somebodyanonymous4608 you have opened my eyes, Patches is Miyasaki, thats why there he is not present in dark souls 2, now we have to measure Miyasaki strength
Finally someone ranks them properly with lore in mind. Fr I saw people saying hunter has super-human speed because he dodges bullets, like what are they smoking.
I mean there's an actual argument for the tarnished moving at fucking lightspeed due to consort item descriptions
The hunter is capable of dodging bullets after they were fired without quickstep and they can dodge darkbeast parl's lightning shockwave at point blank range with a quickstep. They definetly have superhuman speed. However, most souls protagonists have superhuman speeds as well.
@@Voodoo_Occasions if hunter has superhuman speed, why does it take him so long to run from point a to b, if they are seeing the world in slow motion how come they run out of stamina after 15 second of running a short distance. If dodging those bullets give hunter superhuman speed Bloodborne dogs probably move lightspeed.
Slow projectiles are a gameplay design choice, they are not relevant to the lore.
@nephistos3746 They are important to the lore because the enemies the hunter canonically fights use guns, so unless you are saying that a normal human could dodge bullets your point is idiotic. If the hunter didn't have superhuman speed they wouldn't have gotten past the first area. So I am going to dismantle your arguments 1 by 1.
@nephistos3746 You play from the hunter's perspective. How long it takes for you to go from point A to B is irrelevant as you play from the perspective of a hunter that can dodge lightning. A normal Bloodborne run takes at least 10 hours to complete yet the whole game takes place in a single night although time being diluded in the dream makes this one of the weaker counterpoints. I think of it like the hunter is moving normally in their perspective, but everything else sees him as fast. Think about it with only movement speed the hunter wouldn't be able to dodge anything. It is a mix of reaction speed and movement speed. So it makes sense that the hunter seems to be moving normally in their perspective due to higher reaction speed = how fast your brain is able to percieve events = the general speed you see the world. This also explains why enemies seem to attack slowly, even trained hunters seem to have massive wind ups before attacking. However, lorewise Alfred is able to swing the Kirkhammer at Hypersonic speeds.
By the end of Elden Ring the Tarnished gains bureaucratic power over the laws of physics, I'd say that makes them the strongest
Good list good list, but i can't help but imagine Good Hunter and Bearer of the Curse looking over at the Tarnished like "how does it feel to know that you have the most endings and yet none of them set you free?"
Are you under the impression that becoming the Lord of Frenzied Flame doesn't set you free?
@@saninpain gaining freedom and offing yourself is a little different things. At best just champion of another outer bufoon in the form of Frenzied Flame
Have fun being a baby outer good lol
Uh the tarnished gets to marry his blue witch demi God who actually at the very least appreciates him. A win like that is rare in these games
Tarnished: "how does it feel to become a squid?"
The bearer of the curse keep his promise of remembering Lucatiel so just for that he is the strongest
Ah yes, my favorite Sekiro character…. Sekiro
An Axe wtf 😂😂
His name is Sekiro or did i miss something?
@@byatsu3849 his name is wolf
@@byatsu3849idk if you're trolling, but it's wolf
@@The6Rude6Dude6 His name literally is Sekiro, in the last fight isshin even says come at me sekiro and well done sekiro. Wolf is the name given from his father.
the fact that Tarnished have Torrent already make him/her win by miles
Sekiro stares at him in a 6ft deep pool.
@@courier6640 Tarnished slowly pulls out a hefty rot pot
@@paracame8162
Sekiro: **Flicks Mist Raven Feather Prosthetic**
@@courier6640 for a guy underWATER in range of ancient dragon lightning strike, you sure waving your fake hand quite a lot
But fr tho, Sekiro hand is pretty dope
@@vanebuster _parries the lightning_
First thing I noticed in DS3 is that you only hollow if you choose to which tells me that the Bearer helped Aldia cure the undead curse for everyone
That’s because an ashen one and an undead are separate versions of humanity. The undead are humans imprinted with the dark sign, whereas ashen ones are the ash of an undead given new life with the power of the gwyn’s fire
I guess it's time for "All soulsborne prothagonists vs Armored Core"
4 answer protag solos literally everyone else. Only one that comes close is 4’s protag. NEXTs are just ridiculously powerful
@@Thetiredpotato11proceed to iradiate the entire world with kojima particles.
The Tarnished can probably beat a mech or 2. People beating mechs without their own is nothing new, take the Legend of Heroes series (specifically Cold Steel and later), in battles it isnt forced, you can wreck the mechs faster than when the games force you to, depending on party at leaat.
@@jaredcrabb ehh mech kinda undersells how cracked armored cores are. The tarnished could absolutely 1v1 a fodder mt, but a properly setup ac is more akin to a heavily armored jet with legs and more firepower
and nexts are flat out wmds that bend physics and have virtually impenetrable shields
@Thetiredpotato11 The tarnished can solo any. Ive played armored core too. Indomitable Vow + Death St...Fire Knights Greatsword.
I'd scale the Ashen One below the Chosen Undead purely because Lothric is a faded remnant of Lordran. Sure the Lords aren't in their prime but they're still leagues above the Lords of Cinder: a slug in a pool of its own waste, a giant sitting on his throne waiting for his friend to kill him, a group of warriors who amount to 1 lord that fell to infighting, and two princes with one deficient of mind and the other of body while the Chosen undead slayed an avatar of death, the inventor of magic, the mother of all demons, the avatars of the Abyss and of course Manus, father of the abyss
@@burghleyimeanberdly6513 ashen one is either potentially the strongest of the 3 Ds protags or the weakest. It really comes down to whether or not soul of cinder was as faded as the first flame and if gael ate more things other than the Pygmy kings.
you know, that does make me curious though when you specifically look at the abyss wathcers, how strong they actually are. I mean it's basically just a bunch of pvpers who just kill each other and infinitely respawn over and over lol. Like they have to be pretty damn strong after awhile.
Except that the Flame fames solely because it requires more and more power as it continues to grow, the reason the world is covered in ash is because the flame asks for so much power that the entire world is starting to get consumed by it. That's also why at the end of the dlc the entire world is nothing but ash, the age of fire has gone for so long that the first flame burnt everything there is and ever was into a endless desert of ashes. Lothric is stronger than Lodran ever was, but they were born twice as sick cuz the world was twice as harsher in their birth, everything sucked more for them than it ever did for Lodran, basically
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub I think Gael's strength it's not about what or how much he ate, more about his being the incarnation of every source of power left on that world (exept you). As long as a world hosts any source of power, that source represents a world-scale power, so it's the dark soul that Gael possesses
Soul of Cinder and Slave Knight Gael scale above all of them and Ashen one beats them
Now for the sequel: Who would win in a free for all
Prep time or no prep time?
What’s everyone else gonna do when my Tarnished summons a whole meteor shower down on them?
No meteor with anti magic field from demon's souls ❤
@@joaokof good point I forgot about that lol. He’ll have to get close enough first tho
Miquellas femboy bomb solos
i would put hunter in second, because the ashen one's first failure, i think his failure should count as a negative point, while hunter was a dying random person that ascended to godhood in 1 night
Though you can easily say the failure of the Ashen one made him more experienced afterwards.
Also, because the new game plus in Bloodborne starts right away, you can assume that no matter what hunter does, he is not able to break the chain, which for what ever reason exists. This implies that he is not keeping his power even if he manages to ascend to godhood.
The Ashen obtains the most powerful souls do to the fact each Lord killed their Great Lord Soul equivalents to link the flame.
@@luisesteves5929 New Game+ even starts with Dark Souls 2 protag walking away from the flame, so that's a moot point tbh.
@@luisesteves5929 You really can't use NG+ when talking about lore. In that case, every protagonist of every souls game is stuck in an infinite cycle and has to start over from scratch.
@@DankMemes-xq2xm You don't understand me at all.
I say, that because you have no choice to start new game plus in Bloodborne because, if you defeat the final boss, it immediately starts ng+. I get what you mean though. The same happens in Ds1, and there I wouldn't call it a loop.
But like I said, "you can assume"..
Doesn't mean that it needs to be 100% true.
Theres many hints at the fact that The Tarnished is actually a demigod illegitimate child of Marika, who once upon a time died without achieving anything of note and being entombed in a walking mausoleum, then taken by the maiden to the church where you wake up to have your head grafted onto your body once more, but before you wake up she dies of wounds inflicted by the scion and so you begin your journey. This comes from japanese translations of the description of the walking mausoleums, since those (og descriptions) imply that the mausoleums house the remains of illegitimate demigods who await resurrection. In the beggining of the game the presumed sounds of the shattering are also similar to what a walking mausoleum creates. Also when Gideon dies in his fight he says that no MERE tarnished can become elden lord, but it might not be an insult but a realisation that YOU are NOT a MERE tarnished. All of those hints combined with both Miyazaki and Martin being who they are im fairly certain we play a Demigod son of Marika in Elden Ring.
Mmmh it's a bit of a stretch
The Tarnished maiden isn't killed by the scion, she's killed by Varre.
I mean only thing that would make this believable is just how much Japaneses and RR love incestuous romance....wait a sec tarnished and ranni......oh shit I see
Tbh most Elden Ring theories qualify under "a bit of a stretch".
This is a cool theory, albeit one I personally abhor for one simple reason; it makes the Tarnished someone innately special. Part of the charm of these games is that you ever play the underdog, a nobody who has to overcome impossible odds both as the character and as the actual player.
But being born a demigod? That's almost akin to being the chosen one... Which goes against the core concept of these games.
@@terraflyer23 But not G.R.Martin. Since hes the one who wrote the story as far as i remember this fact could be a matter of compromise on bith sides since they don't usually do chosen ones and Martin sorta does they couldve left it ambiguous.
Hm... I wonder if the Mortal Blade is truly an advantage, or if it depends on the source of immortality. I mean, in the Dark Souls trilogy, the immortality stems from Gwyns curse, from the Dark Sign. Or in Elden Ring, it comes from the absence of the Rune of Death. Especially in Elden Ring, the Mortal Blade would have to go against the laws of the world to kill someone. But it is a very interesting question, I would love to know what would happen were the Mortal Blade was used in any of the other FromSoft universes.
Well killing with the Red Mortal Blade gives out the screen message of Immortality Severed so I would assume that if there is a source of immortality whether that be a great source of power or a mere link that the bearer relies upon, the Mortal Blade can handily do the job.
The Elden Ring example you gave probably won't work with the Red Mortal Blade given that it's more like a stasis than anything to be severed.
The Red Mortal Blade doesn't bend the order of nature after all. It is simply a tool that trims abuse against the natural order.
The Tarnished had destined death explode in his face and flung him all the way from Farum Azula to Leyndell and they were fine. His immortality even worked against Mind Control(Miquella), Other outer god influences(Scarlet rot) and even DEPRESSION (Lamenter). They got full control of the death rune during that cutscene.
I think with the tarnished it matters more where they fought? If they fought in sekiros universe I don't think he would need the mortal blade because death very much exsists for most people there. But if they fought in the lands between it's hard to say really
I can't believe how smooth Bloodborne is on pc now
Bearer of the curse just become tarnished
"what makes hunter so powerful?"
Hunter is so powerful that they ascended past humanity and transformed into a literal God
God is a term used to describe beings of varying power in souls games. On one hand you have beings like Marika, and Gwyn. Gods, yet inescapably linked to reality and its natures. Beings who have taken power, or been given it by greater entities or forces. Yet are slaves to that very power.
One the other hand you have entities like The Great ones, and Elden Rings outer Gods. Transcendent and whos nature isn't governed by space and time, and are anathema to the minds of those within. They hold the power to shape existence itself with their influence.... Needless to say the Hunter didn't just become a God. He became a transcendent Great One. A god among gods.
@@Richard3rd665just waiting for a hunter on roid to come and bend you, like ds3 soul of cinder lmfao
That's not the flex you think it is as *every single protagonist* in souls games is defined by thier ability to kill gods.
@@jamesloucks2562 not really..
As the "gods" That the players slays are unlike the ones on blood borne.
Bc Even though bro called them gods in this video.
He only fought one god. In the whole story.
Iirc..
That is the last fight.
You see. The "gods" He fought were less of a god and more a transcendent beings that were left on earth by the true transcendent ones.
The gods on blood borne are possibly one of the most powerfull gods prop equal to or more powerfull than the Outer gods of elden ring.. Like the Golden order or Flames of Frenzy.
Bc they are beings that have ascended to higher dimensions.. And transcended all of reality.
The ones we see the mc fights are basically leftovers of those who were unable to transcend to a higher dimention.
And mc becomes one of those eldrich gods..
Basically on the same par as that of basically the golden order or the flames of frenzy or the scarlet rot.
But it also means that je is unable to interact with the mortal plane..
Or only care enough to prop send an envoy to it.
@BlueCHMA lol, dude you have no actual evidence that displays that Bloodborne gods are somehow stronger than other souls games gods.
I hear this all the time and it's stupid, you think the word "transcended" Suddenly makes them a more dangerous threat in a fight.
The Great ones killed in games are GREAT ONES, you even kill a few in thier own realms. You have no actual backing for your argument. Elden Ring gods are shown to have much more destructive power than the Great Ones do, and the player still kills them.
“sekiro can’t regenerate because he has a prosthetic” he didn’t receive kuro’s blessing until after he lost his arm
16:34 You thought it would be Tarnished, but it was I, Dio!
Who is Truly the Strongest Souls Protagonist? You. You are.
Another impressive tarnished thing is malikiths sword technically kills anything with one touch in lore so canonically tarnished beat malikith without being hit even once
Bro really put Demon’s at the bottom to avoid Redditors 💀
I was moving the cursor to close tab around 14:00 then you made me feel sad so stayed. Take my thumbs up. :(
Bearer of the curse will always be strongest in my heart, mostly because im a fan of peak souls 2.
Need Dark Souls 2 2
@@CatbutnoWaresit's called elden ring
@@CatbutnoWares no what we really need is a full remake of dark souls 2.
@@gavinriggi9469hell yeah!
@@gavinriggi9469damn straight
I will argue Sekiro can take the others even in heavy armor because unlike Armored Warrior, they aren’t immune to poison, fire and every other element
hold my boluses
Hold my moss clump
Hold my antidote
Hold my lotus
There's also the fact that Sekiro could learn other weapons.
The ashen one not only fought 4 "Chosen Undeads" ie people who previously linked the flame, meaning rank 3's in the powerscaling, he also fought the literal embodiement and amalgamation of the other chosen undeads + Gwyn in the form of Soul of Cinder. Not only that he freakin' fought Gwyn's son and his dragon mount, who's also an Undead which one could argue makes him even tougher. And then he also fights a master swordsman of londor who posses the black flame, the last living dragon Midir who's boosted by the dark which arguably makes him stronger than literal manus, last but not the least, Gael, the last living thing at the end of time. Fuckin' epic.
4 "chosen undeads" added along with everyone you beat throughout the game when linking the fire barely covers the ashen ones body its a pretty explicit theme and message throughout the game that the present is faaar lesser than in the past in massive part of keeping the 1st flame lit everything that has modicum of power has already burned and the literal dregs is keeping it from keeling over. Its pretty clear cut when you compare the 2 fire link endings that the power of the souls is so degraded its barely keeping the 1st flame intact.
I really like your interpretation of the lore in the Dark Souls games, particularly 2! Very good job, I wasn't expecting this kind of analysis in a video like this.
The hunter was the boss from the beginning and then became a God.
And everyone on the list kills gods, what’s your point
@@Tom-Dawgwell the gods they face are at most fake ones.
Like even marika was only a puppet under the golden order.
Bro became an eldrich god that transcended to higher dimensions..
Becoming equal to the likes of those like the golden order or the flames of frenzy.
And possibly even more powerfull.
But we just dont know how powerful an eldrich transcendent one is.
@ and lore wise he faced them with ease, he didn’t even get hit ONCE during malikeths fight which was way more dangerous than anything the hunter has gone thru. The hunter hasn’t faced destined death. I love both games but cmon man💀
15:25 technically the tarnished also never got hit by his blade
Technically the tarnished also solod her
@@lemon9183-i2p technically the tarnished done that thousands of times
Technically that’s a giant misconception without proof, the rune of death just holds the fated death of the demigods and they’re immortal cause it was taken from the Elden Ring. Rune of death and destined death only one shots demigods
In defence of Hunter
The older ones are not comparable to the panthone gods
They are based on the outer gods
They are not fighter nor in their weaker form
The fact that he can stand in their presence let alot touch then is beyond a lot what other characters can do
However I can see your point in ranking them all of them
Have a nice day
The fact that Lore Wise Tarnished defeated all the Demigods and above with barely any scratches is wild
It's so awesome to see a list like this from someone that actually understands the lore and mechanics. Not some journalist who played a demo for 15 mins. Love your work ❤
Tarnished by the end is absurdly strong. Consort radhan is the embodiment of moghs body which buffs radhan powers, radhan soul with combat experience, and a true living god Miquella. Fact tarnished beats them is insane
The body of a demigod powered up by a god, the soul of one of the strongest fighters to have lived with a femboy full god. I agree, PCR was not meant to be won, and the fact that the tarnished could is proof enough that they are the strongest (in my opinion)
I would say, oh I don't know, THE ELDRITCH GOD.
I see you call. And raise you GOD SLAIN
@@scoobymountindoo9644 That's just an ambassador, the moon presence is an actual god YOU REPLACE.
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 okay? GOD SLAIN
@@scoobymountindoo9644 But the tarnished still isn't a God.
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 you don’t need to be a god to slay a god
Hunter deals with outer space monsters daily, have gun, and he IS THE BOSS hunting his preys.
A boss doesn’t hunt prey. A hunter has its prey. What do you personally think Elden Beast is? Not a monster from outer space that controls the entire world? Because that’s what it is.
@@scoobymountindoo9644yeah but hunter does not hunt moster from space.
Hunter hunts higher dimensional beings.
You cant understand them and you cant understand their language.
Their language itself hold power to bend reality when written down.
And the ones hunter hunts are those who failed to transcend.
But by the end.. He becomes a true eldrich being.
Yk.. Kinda like the golden order of the flames of frenzy..
But maybe even stronger..
Bc.. Through scaling alone it seems like the eldrich gods in bloodborne are stronger than the outer gods in elden ring.
Bc the eldrich gods are such a higher dimensional beings than humans that humans cant even comprehend what they are. They are literally incomprehensible. Their words written down breaks the laws of reality and give mortals powers.
I agree with your sekiro placement for the most part but I think he is worth the caveat that he is probably the most skilled swordsman/warrior of any of the protagonists. Short of downloading like a devil may cry or monster hunter mod you can’t pull off some of the swordplay or acrobatics that Sekiro can.
Persephone is a Cthonic deity and queen of the underworld with such epithets as dread as in Dread Persephone, I ain't picking a fight with that, god killing weapon or not. With Aphrodite, however, it depends, if it’s the newer
more common epithets than based on information from the Iliad I think I could take her but if it’s her oldest epithet than absolutely not. Either way she is the youngest daughter to the corporeal incarnation of the heavens Ouranos but her oldest epithet/ original form is as a goddess of war, so at best on par with Athena and Ares however we have to consider that logically she should be older than those two so at worst your essentially looking at the Titan of war.
you made some great points W list
some things I'd like to just say. You mentioned that in each Dark Souls game the cycle of fire continues, but I don't think that is the case with dks3. The cycle seems so tired when you link the flame that I think the next subsequent Ashen one won't be able to re-ignite it. Dks3 also has a few other interesting endings where I feel like the Ashen one transcends the cycle like how you said bearer of the curse does. Lastly the defeat of slave knight gael is in my mind a monumental task. When we encounter gael we do so at the end of all things. Gael is missing just one fragment of the dark soul, which is our own. This means that gael has likely hunted down all fragments from the original progenitor pygmy which likely means all of humanity. You can see how he can barely hold back all of the humanity within him by the way his cloak has screaming faces. Now I don't think your list is incorrect, just wanted to gush about the ashen one vs gael a bit haha.
EDIT: Wouldn't be a comment on a darksouls vid without people arguing in the replies haha...
You’re wrong about gael. The dark soul has been burned away for thousands of years, and he gets defeated by someone that can barely even link the flame. He’s one of the weakest bosses in terms of lore
@@Scowleasy You must be trolling. One of the main reasons the age of fire was around was to try and keep the Dark Soul in check by dealing with humanities champion's in a way that keeps the god's in power. Nothing shows that the Dark Soul was any weaker and the Ashen One didn't just barely link the fire like you claim.
@@ScowleasyThe Dark Soul was feared specifically because it could split itself infinitely and never lose its power or potential. Because of this, Gwyn hijacked humanity and used them as the foundation of the Age of Fire. It’s impossible to “burn away” the Dark Soul because it’s literally infinite. So long as Humans exist, so too will the Dark Soul.
@@dragonearth5456Manus was a problem because his humanity became wild and thats the furtive pigmee after splitting the dark soul to all of humanity imagine a dude who now has collected pretty much all of it and its only missing one part
@@quetzalcoatl1013 What? the dark soul cant "split itself infinitely" it like the light soul just both have the capability to be partitioned to small pieces but it is no way endless or infinite in power/potential we literally see and hear that Gael needed to gather dried up pieces of the dark soul from the pygmy lords which I remind you is the direct successor of the pygmy they had the biggest part of the dark but even at the very end of the world are similarly affected by the entropy. iirc gwyn made use of the dark soul since it grows stronger or maybe wilder when the flame begins to snuff out again i dont direcly recall this specifically but the fact that Gael had to gather the dark soul within himself tells us it degraded to the point that the biggest pieces had to be combined to make paint for a new painted world.
the Tarnished beating Maliketh without even getting touched by Destined Death is easily one of the coolest things in souls lore imo. that is INSANE
Personally(I’m biased btw so yes i admit i am incorrect) my opinion on the hunter is that they should be two. When it comes to game mechanics off rip, other characters tend to roll and lug around armor and large inventories. Not only do most of them have access to and will use armor, but they have access to a wider array of equipment and even through all of that, they seem unsure, clumsy with their weapons and armor, rolling and some even using large amounts of stamina to do so. When they kill an enemy, they typically get monster or enemy slain or victory achieved. Something of the sort is fine and all, but the hunter is different entirely. Lock on and dodge mechanics suggest a significantly more adept predator, able to weave through, and slaughter waves of enemies, more often than not without being hit a single time. This is all with the knowledge that, early on, this character is no special race, no old immortal warrior who knew of what was happening.They were just a regular ole person going to get treatment for a sickness, just to get infused with (maybe) the blood of a god that they have to nurture into something greater. No armor, no shields. Just unimaginable speed, dexterity, and bloodlust. That is another thing that has to be mentioned. Many of the other characters must absorb or drink to heal. Hunter on the other hand simply must attack you in quick succession to regenerate the lost health back, sometimes all the way back to uninjured. This is without the mention of switching movesets mid fight without having to change out weapons, all the while the world around them actually becomes more dangerous alongside the power they generate in the form of insight, conjuring up Erdrich horrors that made many outside of the hunter go outright insane, meanwhile the hunter casually strutts around getting “Prey slaughtered” upon most boss kills and “nightmare slain” on great one kills. Its like the hunter felt it was easy even in the beginning, and consuming insight only made things more interesting for them, with an ending being them literally becoming an infant great one. This was after MURDERING ONE THAT GAVE THEM IMMORTALITY TO BEGIN WITH PURELY OUT OF SPITE.
I think im starting to believe that theory from a video that I saw that the Tarnished is actually one of the soulless demigods because you can hear their steps and the sound of the bell when you wake up because there is no way you are that powerful, even more powerful then the other tarnished, that can even kill a god, unless, you are also a demigod or maybe Marika chose you and gave you plot armor, I dont know lol. Either way, great video. Keep it up.
I feel like your video lacks transitions between the characters. Otherwise, I really enjoyed it ! :)
Let's not forget the Tarnished is canonically the fastest of the protagonists as he can perform light speed attack with Radhan light greatsword and avoid Miquella lightbeams
"Lightspeed" Attack, Crouch poke with Collosal Swords hits faster
@@lilbrimu I'm talking about the lore, ofc the tarnished doesn't move at the speed of light because we wouldn't be able to see them but the item description say they do and they're always absolute
@@tooru-kun4178comments full of biases and misunderstanding of lore and game mechanics lol
@@ThatGuy-ce7rw why? Radhan's great sword makes you perform a light speed attack which is at the speed of light, it's written like that, it's no exaggeration or hyperbole because item descriptions are always right, it's the words of the developer unless it's quoting someone in game.
If you don't think it's a light speed attack because tarnished don't move at the speed of light then yeah no shit it's a game the character can't move at light speed otherwise the game would be unplayable same as using death blade doesn't stop enemy from respawning
@@tooru-kun4178 people truly believe things on a surface level, dont beat urself up arguing with them lol, “its not actually 🤓 lightspeed because its clearly slower than (whatever)”
0:24 i would love to see the hunter having a stand off woth glock saint isshin LMAOOOOOO
Kinda funny, apart from sekiro I think with a bit of trouble that the hunter would be the only one who could kill him
I believe its the hunter because while 4 example the tarnished beats gods affecting a planet, the hunter defeats beings who feats are at the very least outerversal. Also THEY ARE ELDRITCH CTHULU ENTITIES
If we're going strictly by lore. Then it's
1: Tarnished
2: Chosen Undead
3: The Hunter
Something you missed is that lore wise for Dark Souls, souls are lost in every cycle. The world's power is dwindling as the flame burns. To the point that by the 3rd game there is nothing but embers left. The chosen Undead may have only fought most of the gods weakened, but in lore, even in their weakened state they were more powerful than any of the bosses in the sequels. And some of the gods he killed weren't weakened at all. Such as the god of death Nito, Father of the Abyss Manos, and Seath the Scaleless. The Ashen one was only ever fighting ghosts of the past.
Oh, a thing you forgot about, sekiro, every time wolf dies and comes back alive, the land gets plauged with dragon rot, aka mega cancer
"Can we get Malenia?"
"We already have Malenia at home"
Malenia at home:🐺
Asides from Sekiro, it's just a simple "powercreep" progression of the games getting more "epic", faster and more detailed in combat gameplay
Is this lore?
It's gotta be our Tarnished. In the DLC we LITERALLY kill Prime Radahn and Prime Miquella in a 2v1. That's not an easy thing to do.
The Ashen One is literally fighting in collapsing timelines as seen in the Ringed City and fighting the Soul Of Cinder. The Dark Souls verse is basically a black hole that is the first flame but at a cosmic scale which is why time and space is merging to begin with.
@@IveBeenWithBrumathe tarnished is able to kill someone with the power of deleting your from existence (maliketh), the daughter of an immortal entity that can throw black holes, event horizons, supernova, and the son (elden beast) who is literally the definition of rules of the universe.
Elden ring protagonist is a living cheat code
@@AtomicZamurai The Ashen One technically has the highest cosmology feats since it is a collapsing multiverse. Plus they are slaying beings who were capable of killing their own great lords to link the first flame only the Ashen One has to do it again this time with the equivalent of several chosen as their souls instead of the great lords.
Prime Radahn got beaten by Malenia in his own home, and Miquella is not a warrior so his presence is mute outside of maybe the light attacks if you want to interpret them as light speed. The hunter also has light speed as he dodges Ebrietas' laser, has fought beings even greater than the Outer Gods (something that the Tarnished doesn't come close to doing) and his immortality is forever, whild the Tarnished's immortality is iffy seeing as how many Tarnished just die and don't come back like Dialos, Vyke and D.
@@guerreiroazul3230 Radhan was still holding back the Stars at the point of fighting Malenia and was still not tired while Malenia was about to die it wouldn't even have been close if Radahn didn't hold back the stars at that time.
The camera during the Cleric Beast fight is the most tough throughout all of the souls series.
I’ve heard enough give him promised consort radahn
A naked man with a pot on his head solos
If you consider the lore than there is also to say that the hunter killed all those Great Ones, that are basically gods for the Hplovecraft universe, in just one single night. For how much I like Sekiro and wished he was ranked higher I also think the hunter is number 1
Tarnished folds him I’m sorry gng😭
@@Tom-Dawgnah tarnished doesnt even stand a chance lol.
@@BlueCHMA literaly just factually wrong but alr kid
The Great Ones are not really comparable to the Outer Gods. The Outer Gods are not actual physical beings, like the Great Ones, they are universal forces. Most of the Great Ones are just humans that ascended, and they do not have power over the laws of nature like the Gods do in Elden Ring. They have dimensional powers (the power to create Nightmares is the only impressive one here) and the ability to affect human minds and bodies. But a God in ER can reshape the nature of the entire world. If you control the Elden Ring, you can literally remove the concept of Death from the laws of nature. Nothing, in any other FromSoft game, can ever be compared to that.
Who's the strongest "Soul" character? Raven (or whoever the pilot is) from Armored Core series.
If we factor in the players too, it'll be Wolf from Sekiro, because I'm sure Ong Bal can even parry a Karasawa, and Let me Solo Her, because I'm sure he can solo anything.
Gotta love the love for AC6! It doesn't get the recognition it deserves!
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Awesome ranking video! I agree they’re all powerful, but the Tarnished has so many feats that he’s basically in his own tier above them. 👏🏼
This was an epic breakdown my dude. Great work
I 100% disagree with the Hunter being number 3. Lovecraftian beings don’t NEED to have incredible combat skills because most people can’t even comprehend them.
If any other MC fought great ones they would die before they even knew what they were fighting. Maybe except the Tarnished.
Aye, merely being able to observe and comprehend the eldritch- nevermind actually being able to interact with, harm or even KILL THEM- implies that the character is genuinely, outright simply "built different".
The Gods you fight still are not particularly powerful fighters, with most of their otherworldly power amounting to little more than "glowing bullets of energy" or "giant light explosion", this still does not really take away from the fact that you still need to be able to interact with them to begin with.
Tarnished uniquely fits this requirement, as many of the greater powers in Elden Ring are literally just Outer Gods, or avatars of them. And Tarnished kills them, as well.
Also.. The fact that the eldrich beings that you fight in blood born are those that are left on earth unable to ascend to a higher dimention.
I think the moon presence is the only true transcendent one you defeated.. And that resulted in you turning into one.. Which you will prop surpass.
Hunter becomes a great one. That’s not some casual power up, moon presence casually creates dimensions and can cause madness on a cosmic scale. Some great ones like oedon are so powerful they’re not even included in the game, said to be formless and omnipotent. These beings cosmic, some of course are weak, or “lesser” like ebriatas whose way past her prime or the brain of mensis who was imprisoned by the school of mensis. But the heavy hitters i would argue are on par with elden ring’s outer gods, which to show the sheer power gap between them and anything we fight in elden ring, general radan held back the stars supposedly on a universal scale. Malenia is merely empowered by the outer god of the scarlet rot, and when she realized she was outmatched she unleashed the scarlet rot, which completely nulified radan and utterly destroyed his mind, leaving him wandering in the red desert for a quick death. That’s just a portion of an outer god’s strength, in elden ring they are so far beyond anything in that realm that they don’t even interfere aside from of course the greater will who wants us to fix the world under their rule. The idea that we as the protagonist not only defeated a great one on the powerscale of the moon presence, but also ascend to literal outer god level, imo the hunter takes it. Until we see the tarnished kill an outer god (which hey it can happen in an elden ring 2) i dont think the tarnished is on par with the hunter in their final forms
The tarnished along with everything became the one great in lord of the frenzied flame ending
@@hainguyn948the one great.. Which is still just basically an envoy at best.
Hunter became atleast at the level of the outer gods.
We got Brollo x Bloodborne crossover before GTA 6
Fucking excellent arguments for all characters. I absolutely loved how you explained how the hunter is incredibly strong but not able to necessarily present that fact considering he is immune to the godly powers in the game. I do love the tarnished though and I do believe the tarnished is a hard number one.
"Hi, I'm goku, I heard you were pretty strong."
10:35 Well... Aphrodite _was_ a badass Warrior Goddess... 😅
I think you're confusing Aphrodite for Athena. Aphrodite is the goddess love, beauty and fertility. Athena is the goddess of warfare (among other things).
1:07 A "Tick Fog" sounds completely terrifying TBH.
Omg new nightmare fuel 😂😭
how is this even possible to determine when you have custom characters?
sekiro is the only game with a set protagonist, with no multiplayer or pvp where other tarnished, ashen, etc. can invade you as one yourself.
and ai invasions, which means it can't not be canon or whatever. the tarnished is objectively the strongest. 😭
and nioh isn't fromsoft, plus it's even more goofy bcs nioh can help nioh. no clue why they allowed summons on that lmao.
Important thing with the Hunter, depending on the ending he becomes an Old One. The difference there between the Hunter as a God and any of the other God's killed is he remembers his fighting skill, he may have a different form, but he will remember the principles, and with how powerful they are he could probably sculpt a human form for himself. Then he has the Power of an eldritch God with the skills of a soulsborne protagonist. And no one he fights will be full of PaleBlood, so none of them will be naturally immune or highly resistant to his powers.
Maliketh uses the equivalent of mortal blade and STILL isn't enough to kill the tarnished
Slayer of demon's has uninterruptable hyper armour on cursed dragon bone smasher rolling attacks and running firestorm
He would destroy every other build imo
Elden Ring bleed would beg to differ. Just basic bleed.
Slayer of Demons would get barraged by magic before the attack reaches
Sekiro would just deflect it
Dark Lothric straight sword, lothric shield, chaos dagger
30/30 split fth/int
Hornet ring
Drakeblood/dragonslayer armor
Try something? Get parried and one-shot.
Get hit? Destruction in a few incredibly quick R1s.
I still believe that the hunter is the strongest, because when they fight gods they are actual gods that can reshape reality, but when we talk about gods in dark souls their usually people who acquire some form of assent soul.
And tarnished kills multiple gods too. Your point?
*laughs in Tarnished*
@@scoobymountindoo9644 the point is that fromsoft really likes playing around with the word god. what even is a god in elden ring?
@@scoobymountindoo9644ok and the hunters has just as great of feats so whats your point? If anything they stalemate
Only problem is the tarnished wont have enough insight to see the hunter or even harm them. So either the hunter wins or the fight just never happens
Sekiro is the strongest because he can pause the game and swim
I was thinking the tarnished has to be at the top. Looking from a real world perspective, a lot of Elden Ring seems to be geared toward drawing in new players. It essentially teaches you how to Dark Souls. The weird part is, it does this by throwing bosses at you with some insane attack patterns, making you learn to dodge, study their moves, etc. When I first started playing Elden Ring, I got stuck on the Page in the Academy for hours. I couldn't win. Now, they seem laughably easy. Turns out, by throwing the fast, hard hitters at you, it forces you to learn and adapt better. Then, you go play Dark Souls, and it's like, "Oh, these guys are slow, and they telegraph their moves. I can handle this." It was actually a brilliant move. From Soft didn't make easy mode. They made you learn. They made the game harder, and it works.
arguably the biggest achievement of the chosen undead is not manus but bed of chaos since he puts out the flame of chaos which consumed even the witch of izalith and two of her daughters together.
Actually, the “your enemies are past their prime” trope is in Elden Ring too.
Maliketh - his black blade is stated to be a shadow of its former self.
Godfrey - he literally died once
Placidusax (possibly one of the strongest enemies the tarnished has faced) - was abandoned, missing 3 heads and a piece of his tail
Metyr - gone schizo
Radagon - hes crumbling in pieces
Elden Beast - wounded and abandoned
The tarnished probably would still beat these characters at full strength (because he’s immortal, except maybe Maliketh & Placidusax) but saying they’re not weakened when we go in is preposterous. The point is that this world is shattered and is in desperate need of fixing. The bosses represent that.
Malenia - missing her eyes (which is why we fight in water) half her limbs are rotted away.
Promised Consort Radahn - pretty much braindead, in a smaller, weaker body.
This was my thinking, isshin was at least revived at peak strength + immortality
Godfrey is still at full strength because grace immortality doesn't have any negative effects
Metyr was simply abandoned. Her strength is still the same
Elden beast was simply using Marika as a vessel to reside in. It's not weakened
Malenia was born with the blessing of an outer god and rotted even before the shattering. Miquella halted her progression with the golden needle which then she abandoned and fully embraced her blessing and became stronger.
Promised consort has the blessing of the formless mother and miquella combined and is stronger than prime Radahn.
@@TESTAROSSAWR Godfrey is old.
Metyr has a fucking open chest wound.
Elden beast has a piece of its skeleton missing (shown by its weak zone being where Marika struck it)
Malenia has 1 arm and leg and no eyes.
PC Radahn is a zombie, and the formless mothers “blessing” just gives you her magic not necessarily amps you, Miquella does help a bit but a truly prime Radahn would be stronger.
@@justaguyontheinternet3893 Old age doesn't mean anything to an Elden Lord blessed by grace
Elden beast can be killed even without striking the weak point
Metyrs 'chest wound' is her vagina where she births little hands
Malenia had no eyes and a prosthetic even before the shattering because of her blessing. That might be debilitating but the blessing of rot made her ultimately stronger.
You're downplaying the effects that a blessing of two gods has on radahn lorewise. Consort is definitely stronger than prime radahn.
@ “Elden beast can be killed even without hitting the weak point” yeah but that proves hes weakened?? hes not at full strength
This kind of thing will always be affected by personal opinion as you said. For me, I’d say I believe Hunter is the strongest of the bunch because as you say, insight puts them on the level of gods but they retain their ability to fight. The closest the tarnished ever gets to killing a god is Radagon, but I’m not sure we really kill him as he uses the vessel of Marika which we rebuild in some endings.
Tldr: nice argument, however r1-l1-r1-l1-r1-l1
The great ones are so powerful that they got killed by an ordinary human lmao
The tarnished kills the final boss of the dlc which is a god and most likely stronger than radagon.
@@Scowleasy that can be said for literally any of the soulsborne protagonists. That’s the point
@@burntivoryking stronger than Radagon, yes, but Miquella really didn’t seem all too powerful. All he did was enhance Radahn. The fact the holy beams and whatnot can be used by us through Radahn’s boss weapons suggests the power was imbued in them rather than Miquella attacking from Radahn’s back like Lothric and Lorian in DS3. Without direct access to the Elden Ring, it doesn’t really appear the gods of ER have a lot of personal power which is likely why a consort is needed to begin with
@@Herr_Gamer imo I dont really see the great ones as physically strong. To me it seems like they have a lot of influence but in a fight they arent as powerful as someone like consort radahn. Thats why I would probably say the tarnished is stronger than the hunter. The tarnished also has more weapons and can even mimic the hunters fighting style with certain weapons.
Im still going to put Hunter on top because of 2 things.
1) he can rip your asshole in half using his bare hand with a critical attack
2) they dont wear armor or use shields because its usless against beasts.
He's maidenless tho...
Um, the doll?
He doesn't need a maiden when he/she has a housewife@@andrespuente1289
@@andrespuente1289doll
Against beasts and gods*
I'm going to comment ahead of time-- the most powerful (Protagonists) is between the Bearer of the Curse (DS2) and the Tarnished (ER), these two are absolute literal god-tier protagonist. If you understand how extremely powerful and unbeatable the Dark is, yoh mnow why they would absolutely destroy and/or be the strongest oflver the others.
Edit: Hmm 4th huh. Youre going to have to *EXTREMELY* talk up the Ashen One (DS3) and be convincing of the Hunter (Bloodborne) because by power range alone no one even comes close to touching the Tarnished or Bearer of the Curse as they're the most relative but the Tarnished is FAR more powerful.
If we consider similar concepts to be analogous to each other across the games then I think the ending of bloodborne would make the hunter the strongest. In Elden ring, the strongest/most powerful characters are clearly the outer gods such as the god of the frenzied flame, the formless mother, etc.. The eldrich deities in bloodborne are mostly not too strong relative to other characters in the souls series, however the god you have to defeat at the end is different. Not only did it keep an entire mortal world locked into a dream, it also locked in the other gods and hunters along with it. Which is a transcendental power that we haven’t seen much of even in Elden ring since the gods are forced to work through the tarnished and need direct access to the worlds heart in order to achieve a similar effect to the moon presence. The ending has you become a new outer god who will presumably become even more powerful than your predecessor given that you were able to kill them while in a non-godly form. If we consider the concepts of outer gods and their relative powers to be anywhere near analogous then that version of the hunter would easily be the strongest. The other souls characters are always destined to be avatars of some god or higher will, but the hunter will actually reach the level of an outer gods such through no power but his own
Strongest: Hunter
Reason: Gun
Will elaborate?: no
Isshin: let me take one out too
Sekiro: hold my gourd
@@darthbring2724 huh uh