Buying Chinese Motherboards to use American CPUs made in Malaysia with RAM from Korea running a modded BIOS from Russians and everything is build by an Australian while I'm watching this in Germany... And people say globalism is bad xD
@@LastExile1989 Was just making a god damn joke here, no reason to start throwing insults, but I guess that's just the common response when politics get involved. So you probably shouldn't have started mentioning politics...
With a Q9650, upgraded RAM, SSD and video card, it should be a good daily driver for most tasks. And most games a few years old, should also run very well! I've done a few videos on that, but yea, I should do another 775 video again :D
@@philscomputerlab currently running Q9500 with 4gb 1333 RAM and a 750ti, with OS on the SSD. Runs great for what it's worth, even with some games maxed out (like Elite: Dangerous) having 30+ fps at all time.
One of my systems is still a Xeon X5460 @3.8 1.32v 1600FSB on an Asus P5Q, with 6GB Geil/Corsair DDR2 1066 5-5-5-15, a Thermaltake Big Typhoon cooler, 500GB WD Blue SSD and GTX 570. Nearing the end of it's use for a lot of things due to the old instruction sets though. For instance I can't run my Android emulators due to the lack of EPT and UG in the VT-x implementation etc Might use it in a tabletop Mame cabinet.
e5-1650/1650 v2 is the best bang for the buck imo. Push them to over 4ghz they scream and are really reasonably priced. Best part is with the new generation of Huanan boards they really did make the VRM significantly better then the boards from even a year ago. Also you can totally get a 1650 or 1650 v2 for less then 100. The trick is to not search for an E5-1650 or 1650 v2, if you search them by there Intel product code SR0KZ for the 1650 and SR1AQ for the V2. Surprisingly sometimes you'll find a different listings that are cheaper. Personally loves these 2011 boards and old server gear. They make great budget PC's. Rather off topic but I was able to search parts together to make a 1650 system with a 1070 for around the 600 USD marker. Been loving these video's. Keep up the great work!
this is what i have been thinking on for about 2 months i really wanna get 120gbs of ram for a ramdisk for instant loading of some games i want to play, im glad others have thought of this CPU as well
I managed to build to similar specs and price. About $600 all in, with new case (CoolerMaster Masterbox RGB Pro, incl 3xRGB front fans plus 1 rear)...about $85, a new 650W PS ($80), and a GTX980 for $180. Recently switched out an E5-1660 ($120) with ASROCK Extreme 3 ($200) and 16GB RAM REEC (free) for an ASUS P9x79Pro that came with 32GB non EEC 1600 DDR3, a CoolerMaster Tower cooler, and a CPU (i7 3820) for a total of $220. Selling the CPU so the package costs about $150 net. With the E5-1650V2 ($130) it totaled: 130+80+85+150+180= $625. Runs really well at an easy 4.4Ghz in turbo...temps idle 35-40C and peak just under 70C in stress test. In gaming it hovers around 50-55C. CB R15 =1166. The ASUS motherboard was an excellent purchase along with the RAM...all in great condition. Local purchases on these and the GPU.
With 600usd, i made ryzen 5 2600, b450 tomahawk, snowman cooler, Corsair vengeance pro rgb 2x8gb 3200mhz and the only used part i bought is my gpu, which is gigabyte 1060 6gb for 150 usd. I think this is a better build because it is Futureproof
@@DankAlien2580 Agreed, though my pricing was from late 3Q2018. If I were to build today, I would follow your approach. That being said, my best local deals...a ASUS P9X79 Pro for about $20 and another E5-1650v2 for only $62...are really hard to beat by any reasonable measure. But these type of deals are rare and not good to plan on.
the Huanan motherboard you have is supposedly the "new heatsink design". Deluxe is where they solve the vrm overheating problem. the older heatsink design that overheats is the one PlexHD is using, where techyes got the heating problem.
For non-gaming benchmarks, I think most go for a 7-zip benchmark (built-in to 7-zip File Manager), compressing in h.264 in Handbrake and Cinebench, just to name a few. All of these are free and your viewers can run them on their own machines to see how they stack up against yours. If your streaming, I'd say these old builds are better equipped to be used as a dedicated streaming PC and that's a really a nice option come to think about it. My 6700k plays great but to play AND stream on it, not really. If I was serious enough about it, I'd hook up a second HDMI output to an HDMI capture card plugged in to one of your recently showcased builds. That would be much cheaper than trying to build a highend Ryzen or i9 to game and stream on.
The motherboard that was your favorite was a killer option for budget gaming! Quad channel DDR3 and support for PCIE m.2 storage make for a blazing fast experience for the money you spend! I'd love to build one of these for fun to see what you could do with it. (not going to because money haha)
Thanks for this video Phil! You're such a great counterpoint to new hardware channels like Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed. My daily driver may be mostly new hardware, but I also like great deals and parsing specs late into the night. Solid work. I always look forward to your Friday uploads.
Hey Phil, I just completed my Ivy Bridge build, the base was a ThinkStation E31 with a Xeon E3-1225 v2 (basically i5-3470 with a bigger L3 cache) - the base system came in for me at USD 105 with 16GB DDR3 preinstalled and a 500 GB HDD. I decided to go all in and get a really nice 80Plus Gold Seasonic PSU, a Sapphire Nitro RX580 8GB and a 480 GB Kingston SSD. It's very quiet and is more than a match to my main Skylake rig that I put together a few years ago. It all totaled to USD 414. Can't complain at all.
I wish stuff like this was around back in the 1990s and early 2000s when I was going to college and studying computers. People have it so good these days. In 1999 we would have never dreamed of buying used server grade CPUs and downloading free virtualization software.
Hardly possible, pc back in the day progresses so fast that component released after nine months will become obsolete, every part passed 2 years would become useless. Lga 1356 in today’s standard is like how we view 486 in year 2001 when Pentium 4 is emerging but except you couldn’t run jack shit on any software released in 2001 while lga 1356 xeon running modern software flawlessly thanks to emerging mobile computing. Plus declining pc market that drag down the pc performance progression and development making pc last a lot longer than it used to. However things will change, both intel and amd are back on track plus the pandemic had accelerated the pc sales skyrocketed that may encourage desktop processor start leading another huge boom in performance since core 2 era. It will be nightmare for used part market, and lack of hardware crypto scam/ransomware protection and meltdown/spectre fix leaving any platform before coffee lake in extremely hazardous condition for users. I will not recommend people to use any of these platforms unless you willing to lose your data or have private information stolen.
I am going lga 2011. Grabbed myself an e5 2609 quad core for a fiver. Going to chuck 16gb of ecc ram with it and a gt 1030. Its just for playing world of warcraft downstairs during the day. My main ryzen 5 gtx 1060 6gb rig is in the bedroom
picked up an old Dell workstation with a E5-1650 and paired it with a X79 Classified before these new "x79" boards came out and i must say these xeons do some serious work for the price. ended up with a good system paired with an RTX 2070 and it works pretty well for 4K gaming. IPC on Sandy Bridge is on par with the first gen ryzen processors. ended up with a 1080cb in Cinebench R15 at 4.0Ghz
More youtubers should start doing what you are doing, you started making videos being inspired by others but I think the time has come for them to take inspiration from you and step up their game.
@@philscomputerlab So true, and that has a place, but there are 30 channels all doing that, spreading the same spin (since nobody knows until launch) and so I come here, and the channels like this, which are keeping it real. If you are an enthusiast this is the fun stuff just as much as Ryzen 3 which is going to cost quite a bit more- and as yet we are just getting leaks that could be coming from anywhere (AMD/Intel basically). This isn't going to be for everyone, there is some risk, but it looks fun for not too much money.
@@philscomputerlab Not only to mention they are spitting on what they name old crap technologies which is all about Xeon. Keep up at all cost the very good job you're actually doing Phils! Thank you so much from France!
When you were saying ones on the right side look more generic and plain I was literally thinking "Those are the coolest looking mobos I've ever seen. Really classy". Just wanted to share my opinion my man :)
At 2:58 you say that the sellers try to trick you with a "C2": I don't think so. They tell you that this is the newer Sandy Bridge-EP stepping with working VT-d. C1 was the first stepping where VT-d was broken.
@J.C. Denton X5690 (130W!) is only so much more powerful (10-20%) than X5650-X5675 (95W!) at the expense of 150% more energy consumption and heat! In Germany or Canada with electricity bills of more than 100$ or even 100€ a month (!) 30+ more watts is an expensive problem.
Cool video. Watching similar videos convinced me to upgrade from my little Elite 8200 from HP to a second hand Dell Precision workstation with an E3-1245 Xeon. So far I really like it.
Still in love with my HP z800, x2 Xeon X5687 totaling 8 cores 16 threads at 3.6GHz base and 3.9GHz turbo on all cores. 48GB memory at 1333MHz in triple channel. Only needed a USB 3.0 expansion card.
Hi, I own an HP z800 too. I am interested to know which type of eGPU did you use and how you made it work. Also I want to know if there are some ssds that i can use for my hp z800. Thank you very much!
At about the 15:26 mark, when you list the E5-2430V2 vs the E5-2630V2 you have the E5-2630V2 listed as having 6 cores and 8 threads. Should be 12 threads! Interesting video and comparison.
Are all the ports on the Kllisre x9a 1356 board SATA 2.0? I noticed on the board I have that 2 of them are labelled SATA3.0_1 & SATA3.0_2. Didnt know if you had checked or not. Not had chance with an SSD to check mine yet. Regarding checking streaming, use obs.live, login with your twitch account, setup resolution and refresh rate. Add a video source for the game and should be good to go. Click go live and boom, you are live. OBS says about dropped streams. Can change to X264 for CPU encoding or can use GPU encoding. Just keep an eye on CPU/GPU load. I occasionally have the issue of obs.live only using first 4 threads, have to either run as admin or once opened go into task manager and set affinity to use all the threads. Again, great video Phil. Always good to watch and very informative.
Nice, that's a comprehensive overview, Phil. :) Looking forwards to seeing how you get along with your 1650v2 - that's a great chip! Gonna ramp up my search for used 2011 boards here locally. Seems to be a good time for bargains.
Hey Phil when you were talking about Intel at around 27:00 I have been noticing something that all the new CPUs coming from Intel in 2019 (9000 series) have NO Logical cores (Hyperthreading) from the 4 core I3-9100F to the 9700K so they have been doing there best to deal with the fatal flaw of their Logical Cores, but they are also now starting to get more aggressive at least in the US right now on pricing of these CPUs for Example the i3-9100F can be had for $90 in the US, 100 british pound (including VATS) in the UK in AUS though it's still a little high IMHO at 116. Yet Intel has been kinda quiet about it....... With that said Since I have a spare H310 Motherboard that I bought new for $40 earlier this year I am going to buy the I3-9100F, and see just how good the I3 9100F is with the new UBI Soft titles using a RX 470 4GB. Heck at $90 that is a pretty sweet deal.
Happy with the vid. My 2689, mobo, ram has arrived. I was able to snag a rx 580 for relatively little. Will buy the rest of the system tomorrow. At this point, I have become pretty perplexed by power supplies. Common wisdom is that you want to spend at least around $50 on good brand for the power supply. I will end up spending more on it than the cpu.
My approach is 1. Get a name brand 2. Check it has all the plugs without need for adapters and 3. pick a wattage that is double that of what your machine consumes (for max. efficiency).
@@philscomputerlab 4. Efficiency rating, bronze silver etc. Get the most efficient you can afford. Some of the cheapo unrated ones can be horrible, pulling way more from the wall than is necessary.
Check local deals too. I was able to pickup an ASUS P9x79 Pro with i7 3840 + 32 GB 1333Mhz RAM + a cooler master tower cooler...total price EURO 200 or about USD 220. In essence, the motherboard costed about 20 - 30 dollars given the fungible value of the other items. Hard to beat by any account. Paired with the E5-1650v2 and a used GTX 980...a very nice rig for all sorts of high setting 1080p gaming, plus productivity.
Ali express X79 boards are my thing! I built 4 lga2011 X79 board builds from Ali Express for my Kids builds with 4 channel 32gb of RAM. I love this build. Prices with 1660ti when I bought there were cheap and Powerful. All my kids stream, and can stream at 1080p-60fps while playing games (fortnite 120fps Epic settings). They are happy, and I was impressed, and a little jealous as the performance for what I paid, was rivaling my 2600x w/2060 that I build for about $1000. FYI , Prices gone up from when I purchased it seems, I purchased in mid May 2019 ($ in USD) CPU - Intel Xeon E5 2650 V2 Processor 8 CORE 2.6GHz (I paid $64.99) X79 Motherboard 2011 ATX Main Board USB3.0 SATA3.0 PCI-E 16X NVME M.2 SSD (I paid $75) RAM (total 32gb) = 8GB x 4 1866 ECC DDR3 (I paid $16.53 each - total $66.12) Aigo CPU Cooler Radiator TDP 280W Heat Sink Silent 120mm (I paid $23.07) DIYPC DIY-F2-P Black / Purple SPCC Micro ATX Mini Tower Computer Case {also bought it in white/blue and orange/black} ( I paid about $35) EVGA 550 N1 100-N1-0550-L1 550W (I paid $30 after main in rebate) Silicon Power 512GB NVMe M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 x4 ( I paid $55 on sale) MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (I paid $260 after Rebate) TOTAL = $610 What I Purchased Links: RAM 8GB x 4 1866 ECC DDR3 (I paid $16.53) www.aliexpress.com/item/32647581389.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.5ba04c4d2XcUU3 CPU - Intel Xeon E5 2650 V2 Processor 8 CORE 2.6GHz (I paid $64.99) www.aliexpress.com/item/32966741883.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.5ba04c4d2XcUU3 X79 Motherboard 2011 ATX Main Board USB3.0 SATA3.0 PCI-E 16X NVME M.2 SSD (I paid $75) www.aliexpress.com/item/33016142058.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.5ba04c4d2XcUU3 Aigo CPU Cooler Radiator TDP 280W Heat Sink Silent 120mm (I paid $23.07) www.aliexpress.com/item/33000483882.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dmckFWk DIYPC DIY-F2-P Black / Purple SPCC Micro ATX Mini Tower Computer Case {also bought it in white/blue and orange/black} ( I paid about $35) EVGA 550 N1 100-N1-0550-L1 550W (I paid $30 after main in rebate) www.newegg.com/evga-550-n1-100-n1-0550-l1-550w/p/N82E16817438105?Item=N82E16817438105 Silicon Power 512GB NVMe M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 x4 ( I paid $55 on sale) www.newegg.com/silicon-power-p34a80-512gb/p/N82E16820301394?Item=N82E16820301394 MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (I paid $260 after Rebate) www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-gtx-1660-ti-ventus-xs-6g-oc/p/N82E16814137392?Item=N82E16814137392&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3a%2f%2fpcpartpicker.com%2fproduct%2fRGyV3C%2fmsi-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-6-gb-ventus-xs-video-card-gtx-1660-ti-ventus-xs-6g-oc&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-m1NvwLlkrpZo6S9Cp6qZhQ
There's an excellent choice of high end 1366 X58 and very budget CPU's if you choose. A i7 930 is about $14 now and OC's to 4.5GHz on a good ASUS X58 (mine was the ROG Rampage II w/ Xeon W-3690 3.56g hex) or cheaper Xeon E5620 2.4G quad under $5.. Tri-Ch DDR3 RAM can keep up to low end DDR4.
I discovered the Intel® Xeon® Processor W3690 12M Cache, 3.46 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI and a Chinese X58 board. The CPU is unlocked and can reach 4.5GHz on air. Also the motherboard support 4 channel ram and 32GB. What do you think? Total price is 180 for cpu ram and motherboard. Not sure if there are overclocking options on these Chinese motherboards.
PhilsComputerLab Let us know what you’ll find out! ☺️ Also I would like to sponsor if you need the hardware. This motherboard for example: m.nl.aliexpress.com/item/33016003837.html?pid=808_0009_0131&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.33016003837&aff_trace_key=b0051a41b36449babd388518a039e9b5-1560549078530-09119-6u93zoM&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=1769amp-EYmdZ7nQxaoStifQfHUsdg1561315982798
I recently got an Intel DX79SR for 50 bucks on eBay and to my surprise it posted after flashing the latest bios. All I need now is some RAM and a new CPU and I'll be good to go. It can even overclock and it's in perfect condition. Don't have a cooler thats compatible though, I have to lay my freezer Xtreme rev. 2 while my case is on its side.
I saw this in a Scrapyard Wars episode, while quad channel gives you bandwidth advantage, dual channel gives you latency advantage, so you can get more performance in dual channel than in quad channel, in games anyway.
@@xFluing Maybe there's something I don't know, but I think you are confusing 4 channel with 2 channel and 2 rank (4 modules in 2 channels). A 2 channel system should clock faster with 2 modules only. I don't think there is any disadvantage to quad channel.
In the US, MicroCenter is selling Ryzen 5 1600 for $80 now that can be paired with cheap used B350 motherboards ($50-$80). While I do have a couple of mainstream MSI and Intel X79 motherboards and have built a lot of my favorite overclocked X58 builds, the 1st Gen Ryzen at that price is now a hard price check on my xeon aspirations! For me, I have passed on a few very good mainstream X79 boards recently at around $80 because the Ryzen prices out around the same. It's a great time to be building!
🙂 yes thats fine but im really happy with 1156 for now, im building two first gen i7 computers, one for me and one for mum, finally a la carte prices are great for 1156 yay! 😍
Excellent video, love seeing the alternatives of older hardware, have a X5675 in an offline workstation. I like the X58 platform but you make good points to consider checking out a 2011 as well.
Interesting video Sketchy motherboards, sketchy Russian hacks to get the bios working better, and lacking or improper running features. It might be worth saving extra money to build something newer that has a better upgrade path, or at least older office machines.
That's what makes it exciting! It's like the 486 days again, with the weird Taiwanese boards with many different incompatible CPU sockets that you can burn your CPU if you put it in backwards, plethora of chipsets with odd compromises, unusual board layouts, no warranty whatsoever, asking around for driver discs, overclocking, power management quirks... we're not building a stable business PC here, we're building a cheap, fast Frankenstein's monster of unofficial, unlicensed and unsupported parts and it's brilliant.
This video is about 5 months old now, but for whatever it's worth I just bought a Intel Xeon E5-2420 V2 SR1AJ 6-Core 2.2GHz 15MB LGA 1356 Processor for ~$30, albeit "Renewed", whatever that means. I just bought it to upgrade a server btw.
Awesome work once again Phil. Do you have the link to the AliExpress cooler you have there on the LGA 1356 motherboard? I'm looking for similar coolers but with replaceable fans (I really HATE RGB stuff... I don't mind a color scheme or something but now it seems we can either go full rainbow or nothing at all).
1866 works in many cases on 1356 been researching it alot and, a buddy found that 1866 worked fine on several boards but not on others, but if you used non-ecc ram it would work fine at 1866 on those boards... im more interested in the new x99-f8 at this point.... its nice that they have m.2 slots that didnt exist when these where new platforms. as to the chipsets, they are both getting recycled chipsets and getting new-old stock, chipset on some is totally luck of the draw, but with the x99 class its either an x99 or the server equiv most times from what i have been told, some are x79 but, several a buddy got had the c series chipset from the server side and, was very very well made, even a good chipset. wuson store on aliexpress has a great rep, pre-testing all combos you buy, and their combos dont have a huge margin over buying stuff seperatly from random sellers with much less to no rep. oh and, if you want more shit you can sometimes get the seller to setup a sale for the price you haggle for on the stuff you want....and they will haggle....its sort of expected in china...
Nice informative video Phil. Have you tried to use the Intel Extreme Utility tool in any of these configurations? Sometimes you can overclock CPUs in Oem motherboards with the tool, even when the bios are normally locked. I've read this can work on hexa-core and Octa-core xeons versions1 & v2, I think they locked it in version 3. It would be interesting to see if you could wring out a bit more performance with these.
it was one of those for me where i was looking at 1356 motherboards and there just happend to be an x79 motherboard there that changed my mind on the platform and now ive been waiting for my x79 board and i already have my e5 2680
Depending on the benchmark, cpus like e5-2690 (8 core, 2.9GHz) are 50-70% as good as core i9-9900k (8 core, up to 5GHz). Not a lot of progress has been made since sandy bridge. Intel originally meant to mass produce 10nm cpus by 2016. Ryzen was more about value than performance. I have a feeling sandy bridge will be good for another decade. Although it will probably be more expensive by then. Because it will become increasingly rare and always in demand.
One thing to add. Would it be possible to do some benchmarks for dual-vs-quad channel memory on all speeds 800,1066,1333 and 1600. The reason for this is that in the UK 16Gb sticks of 1066/1333 ECC reg are so cheap it would be rude not to put in 32gb. Last set of 2x 16Gb 1066 cost me £30 (~$40 US) when 1600 would cost over 50% more.
Every 1333 REG ECC kit I tried, overclocked to 1600 just fine. In memory bandwidth situations, yea, even with Quad-Channel you see an improvement from 1600 to 1866. In games not so much, I had to benchmark at like 800x600 in Tomb Raider to see a difference.
If these motherboard manufacturers are on a weird form factor roll, would not be awesome if they could design a board that would fit onto a Power Mac G3/4/5 chassis without modifications??? Now that would be amazing!
What's the advantage of one of those LGA 2011 / 1356 combos in comparison to a B450+Ryzen 1600 combination? Seeing that the Ryzen 1600 can be bought for around 80-90 $US and a B450 board for around 60$ i can't help but feel you get a lot more processing power for the same price i can't help but wonder about that? (The Ryzen 1600 has a 3.6Ghz base clock and unlocked multiplier from the start)
You need to figure in ram cost as well. DDR 4 is hovering around $5-7/GB for the cheap stuff. USD pricing. DDR 3 ecc can be had for around $2-3/GB or less. If you shop around. I've picked em up for less than $1/GB. Also if you check Ali express, taobao, and some other China sites, you can get combos that are cheaper than buying parts individually. Honestly, if you have the money, buy the newer stuff. If you have a limited budget, or parts laying around, the 2011 can be a pretty good deal.
I'm currently using a Zeon E3-1230V2 on the 1155 Ivy Bridge socket and an RX580 8gb. It's plenty strong and as long as I use 16gb of 1600Mhz ram, my setup can't be beat for the $280 that I've spent on it over the 6 to 7 years that I've been running it.
Phil it would be nice to do test with all the spectre/meltdown patches disabled and enabled. Its hard to find any results when it comes to their impact on older Sandy/Ivy architectures. If your bios does not have fixes in it (hopefully not) you can just use inspectre to disable meltdown protection and remove the mcupdate_intel.dll in system32 folder to disable the spectre protection (and any OS based microcode updates). From my measurements it can give around 5-8% difference which is not that small.
Jingsha appears to be the manufacturer, as I see that many of these motherboards on AliExpress mention them. I agree that these boards with brand names like "Huanan", "PlexHD", "KLLISRE" and others all must buy their boards from this manufacturer and then just merely brand them, put custom heatsinks on them, etc. before selling.
I really want to buy xeons for so long, but most reviewer doesnt give productivity benchmarks. Can we get more productivity benchmark such as using handbrake to encode video x264 or HEVC encoding please. for my understanding encoding needs high clockspeed.
I'm working on something like that, but not sure how comparable it will be. I will just handbrake a 4K file from my camera and show the FPS. I also plan to edit my next video on LGA 2011, to see how it compares to my i7 4770.
I suggest you use hwbot x265 encode benchmark, there are 4k and 1080p option but encode straight from handbrake is nice too and also try compare the results from your testing to hwbot websites for each cpus. Also if possible add emulator benchmark for the xeons because they have low single core performance and low clockspeed, some emulator does take advantage more than 4 cores like CEMU which i highly recommend. Thanks for taking this into consideration. looking forward for the next videos.
I have a X79T (Same as plexhd) mobo and I can confirm _if_ you enable it in the bios it works. However on like my 5th time using it my computer ended up not being able to wake up so not the best. I have a 2690 and 3 1866Mhz (2x4 + 1x8) sticks stuck at 1600Mhz. Could easily trade my 8GB for 2 more 4GB sticks from a friend though. Have had it for 6 months. I also dropped the cover into the CPU stock and I think bent a few pins a little lol. Oh btw the mobo won't boot from DVI for some reason by default I think?
I bought a Xeon 2689 and the X79-Turbo MB. I just want to say it works just fine. I'm running with my old RAM, because the ones I bought were faulty. I bought 4 4GB sticks DDR3 1600, and only one of them works. I received a refund, so no big trouble. When I try to run the faulty sticks, it shows b1 in the post display. Doesn't beep, nothing. Tried to change the speed, other slots, rubber to clean contacts, and nothing changed. What could be the problem? I'm gonna put some hot air in the chips, maybe some solders are cracked. Also, you make a great job.
Well that's good that you got your money back. Because the RAM controller is on the CPU, and I had this issue with one board, clean the bottom of the CPU, all the pads, and check for bent pins.
@@philscomputerlab I checked the socket, cleaned the CPU pins, changed the CPU (when I bought the Xeon E5 2689 they send me 2 instead by error), heated the ram sticks with hot air, and nothing changed. b1 in the post display, no beep, nothing. I don't think the MB or the processors are damaged, because one of the sticks does work, and the other three don't. I will buy4 new sticks from a more reliable source.
The motherboards you find on ali express can often be found on ebay for basically the same price. In my experience, at least in the US, the processors and memory can often be found a little cheaper on ebay.
I found eBay's pricing to be 20-30Us higher, but still ship from China. PayPal may be a benefit over AliExpress. Returns may be easier through AliExpress.
If the motherboard has a decent number of SATA connectors possibly 10 you should be able to create a SYNOLOGY Flash station assuming you can have one drive as your boot drive and the other 9 drives as your data pool.
Hi, Phil, I'm a huge fan of you channel. Can you review some new X99 motherboards and cpus from aliexpress :) they have much better motherboards in stock now and cpus became cheaper. For eg. Xeon E5-2678 v3 12 core multithreaded beast cost 100eur, supports DDR3/DDR4 server memmory and turbo boost can be unlocked on some motherboards.
Thank you for this video. You give fantastic info. I just wish you uploaded it a bit sooner, because I've already bought an EastVita x79 with E5-2420 The build is fantastic for me but I wouldn't mind spending a few extra dollars for the better option. I just didn't know, there is too much info and I am overwhelmed.
How did you get the E5 2430 v2 to work with that motherboard? I have the same one and it wont work (I tested it by replacing my e5 2420 with the 25 2430v2 and deduced that it was the e5 2430 v2's fault. The Pc would turn on but monitor is stuck on power saver mode)
I have a suggestion Phil, you can do Cinebench R15 test and mention them with each processors. That test is essentially a render test and many people buy these many core processors for rendering purposes.
Too all the Intel haters out there, who dispise them for the low development though 6+ years. Blame yourself as a consumer - you bought their stuff and put money in their company for doing that. Don't blame a company trying to make max profit with minimal effort. You should know who is really to blame ;)
These sets could get around 300 USD easily, not expecting to pay import duty fees (irony...). Isn't that worth to invest instead on a AMD Ryzen new generation low budget CPUs, regarding cost/performance? Or even the AM3+ socket, e.g., a AMD FX-8300 BE 8 core CPU (~ 50 Euro, brand new).
@@MrSamadolfo , let's say the video was on purpose about Intel CPUs, rather than other brand. I'm Just checking on potential new approaches to build a second hand system for running proxmox ve.
Dear God you make my gaming pc look antique Still use my Asus Rampage II gen X58 mobo Even if on asus website say not support Xenon the motherboard support all 6 core xenon I try and server ddr3 in triple chanal, with a 1080gtx I play wicher3 2k resolution 60fps medium settings enough for me
another good reason to avoid the cheaper 1356 board with the weird layout is that it doesn't run ram at 1600 very well. I was getting occasional uncorrectable ECC errors and had to drop down to 1333. I'm pretty sure this wasn't the dimm's because I tried with better desktop ram that is rated for 1866 and got the same issue at 1600 (couldn't even boot windows). maybe i just got a bad board or the memory controller got damaged in shipping, but yeah. at least it seems rock solid at 1333
The memory controller is on the CPU die not into the motherboard chipset, so either your CPU is faulty (unlikely if it's a Sandy Bridge one that only supports up to 1333 MHz natively) or the BIOS doesn't actually set the correct timmings to the RAM when you set the speed. Best regards
If you don't mind bulk, you can get away with a pretty insane setup for about $180 (without a GPU). You can pick up an HP Proliant DL360 I think its gen 6 1U Server, it comes with 2 6-core xeons (e5650 I think), and mine came with around 72GB ram. Not bad for $180 if you ask me; Throw in a budget GPU (im using an AMD card) and you got it made. I dont game on it I use it for business, but if anybody wants to, they can pick one up and game on that beast.
I am pondering if i should get a x58 mobo from alixpress but i am so scared it's dead on arrival.I am from south africa and only lives of disability grant so i can not afford to send it back if it does end up being faulty.I want to use my second server as an entry level gaming pc(2u rake mount does have an add one to get a 16x pcie slot but idk where to find one and a little small to add a proper gpu in.
I have one of these (old Dell server), but I notice that the new Ryzen processors have double the single thread score of my top of the line Sandy Bridge xeons (2 e5-2690). I paid half as much as a 3700x for double the cores which seems like a good deal... But it seems like with a new node (finally) single thread performance is up. I guess I still win on ram price, but it's getting to the point where new machines are good buys again.
And the 2690 is actually one of the higher clocked ones at 3.3 GHz. Yea the new Ryzen CPUs have very strong IPC and they run past 4 GHz, so that is very difficult to compete with.
Lga 1366 is great value atm. The x5650 and up are much cheaper than what they used to be, and the boards can be found on eBay for $40-$70 for the Chinese boards, and original/genuine x58 boards start around $60-$80. I highly recommend going this route instead to save the most you can get still get killer support. I myself have both an EVGA x58 Sli board and a GA-x79-UP4 board. Running a x5650 @ 4.2(Running a cheap cooler, the chip I have can hit around 4.6/4.7 easily, just moved my cooler to my x79 board, so used a cheap one for the x58)on the x58 Running a i7-3930k @4.5 on the x79 (Going to get a 1680-v2 in the next month or so)
You can score the Matx x79 mob for 50 now, pair it with a E5-2667v2 and some cheap sever ram and you have a midrange platform for like 100 bucks. Also can run XP for retro goodness
I've been looking into this recently, and a lot of vendors are listing their motherboards as 'x79' on aliexpress for lga1356 motherboards, what exactly is up with that? What chipset does your LGA1356 motherboard have?
How much would the difference in idle power be? It seems plausible that more PCIe lanes and more powerful VRMs would result in some sort of extra power draw on the 2011 platform, but how much is it? (Assuming C states are working properly - consult Throttlestop.) Is the 1356 platform more power-hungry than the 1155 (give or take individual board variation)? What is the effect of registered vs. unbuffered memory? You can use HWMonitor to list the power consumption of CPU components individually. Pretty interesting stuff.
Good video thank you. I happen to be running on an x79 3930k with Gigabyte board and it runs games just fine. A quick look on ebay shows you can actually get dual CPU motherboards too.
So how does this compair to something like first gen ryzen set up? For example, a ryzen 1600 can occasionally be had for $80 or less and ryzen first gen boards are cheap. In addition, DDR4 has come WAY down. It may be entirely possible to get CPU, Ram, and MOBO for ryzen for around $180-250. Also, in theory, a ryzen motherboard can eventually be flashed to support a 3rd gen ryzen CPU. What do our totals look for CPU/RAM/MOBO for 2011 socket?
is that snappy driver installer app really good and trusted? ive always had issues with certain drivers in time or cant find one manually or a program that isn't considered spyware or virus or that sort.
just bought a asus rampage extreme iv x79 board for 300 canadian dollars(220 US dollars),going to eventually swap my current ram for 8 sticks of 2400MHz 4GB dimms and swap the e5 1603 i currently have for a e5 1680 v2 and overclock it to 5GHz
Damn! This fucking nonsense! You can build solid rig with new components for this money, but instead you did so stupid thing bought overpriced brand x79 board and now you wanna do another stupid thing - buying super overpriced 1680 v2! Omg!
Buying Chinese Motherboards to use American CPUs made in Malaysia with RAM from Korea running a modded BIOS from Russians and everything is build by an Australian while I'm watching this in Germany...
And people say globalism is bad xD
In an economic sense yes. In a governing setting no...
@@LastExile1989 One World Government now! Cut down the number of retarded governments, we gotta beat the aliens somehow.
@@ChrinikWas just breaking down perspective chill spaz.
@@LastExile1989 Was just making a god damn joke here, no reason to start throwing insults, but I guess that's just the common response when politics get involved.
So you probably shouldn't have started mentioning politics...
@@Chrinik If you get offended by spaz. Then don't know how you make it through the week. Lean on me get it all out.
meanwhile i'm still using lga 775 😭
You are not alone 😄
With a Q9650, upgraded RAM, SSD and video card, it should be a good daily driver for most tasks. And most games a few years old, should also run very well! I've done a few videos on that, but yea, I should do another 775 video again :D
@@philscomputerlab you should do overclock on lga 775 sometimes
@@philscomputerlab currently running Q9500 with 4gb 1333 RAM and a 750ti, with OS on the SSD. Runs great for what it's worth, even with some games maxed out (like Elite: Dangerous) having 30+ fps at all time.
One of my systems is still a Xeon X5460 @3.8 1.32v 1600FSB on an Asus P5Q, with 6GB Geil/Corsair DDR2 1066 5-5-5-15, a Thermaltake Big Typhoon cooler, 500GB WD Blue SSD and GTX 570. Nearing the end of it's use for a lot of things due to the old instruction sets though. For instance I can't run my Android emulators due to the lack of EPT and UG in the VT-x implementation etc Might use it in a tabletop Mame cabinet.
e5-1650/1650 v2 is the best bang for the buck imo. Push them to over 4ghz they scream and are really reasonably priced. Best part is with the new generation of Huanan boards they really did make the VRM significantly better then the boards from even a year ago. Also you can totally get a 1650 or 1650 v2 for less then 100. The trick is to not search for an E5-1650 or 1650 v2, if you search them by there Intel product code SR0KZ for the 1650 and SR1AQ for the V2. Surprisingly sometimes you'll find a different listings that are cheaper. Personally loves these 2011 boards and old server gear. They make great budget PC's. Rather off topic but I was able to search parts together to make a 1650 system with a 1070 for around the 600 USD marker. Been loving these video's. Keep up the great work!
Can confirm, had an e5-1650 and that thing was a beast.
this is what i have been thinking on for about 2 months i really wanna get 120gbs of ram for a ramdisk for instant loading of some games i want to play, im glad others have thought of this CPU as well
I managed to build to similar specs and price. About $600 all in, with new case (CoolerMaster Masterbox RGB Pro, incl 3xRGB front fans plus 1 rear)...about $85, a new 650W PS ($80), and a GTX980 for $180. Recently switched out an E5-1660 ($120) with ASROCK Extreme 3 ($200) and 16GB RAM REEC (free) for an ASUS P9x79Pro that came with 32GB non EEC 1600 DDR3, a CoolerMaster Tower cooler, and a CPU (i7 3820) for a total of $220. Selling the CPU so the package costs about $150 net. With the E5-1650V2 ($130) it totaled: 130+80+85+150+180= $625. Runs really well at an easy 4.4Ghz in turbo...temps idle 35-40C and peak just under 70C in stress test. In gaming it hovers around 50-55C. CB R15 =1166. The ASUS motherboard was an excellent purchase along with the RAM...all in great condition. Local purchases on these and the GPU.
With 600usd, i made ryzen 5 2600, b450 tomahawk, snowman cooler, Corsair vengeance pro rgb 2x8gb 3200mhz and the only used part i bought is my gpu, which is gigabyte 1060 6gb for 150 usd. I think this is a better build because it is Futureproof
@@DankAlien2580 Agreed, though my pricing was from late 3Q2018. If I were to build today, I would follow your approach. That being said, my best local deals...a ASUS P9X79 Pro for about $20 and another E5-1650v2 for only $62...are really hard to beat by any reasonable measure. But these type of deals are rare and not good to plan on.
the Huanan motherboard you have is supposedly the "new heatsink design".
Deluxe is where they solve the vrm overheating problem. the older heatsink design that overheats is the one PlexHD is using, where techyes got the heating problem.
The original ones didn't even have a heat sink...Take my word for it lol.
Just get the Jginyue or whatever it is, it has a VRM fan
For non-gaming benchmarks, I think most go for a 7-zip benchmark (built-in to 7-zip File Manager), compressing in h.264 in Handbrake and Cinebench, just to name a few. All of these are free and your viewers can run them on their own machines to see how they stack up against yours. If your streaming, I'd say these old builds are better equipped to be used as a dedicated streaming PC and that's a really a nice option come to think about it. My 6700k plays great but to play AND stream on it, not really. If I was serious enough about it, I'd hook up a second HDMI output to an HDMI capture card plugged in to one of your recently showcased builds. That would be much cheaper than trying to build a highend Ryzen or i9 to game and stream on.
Have an E5-1620 and that x79 board. OC'd the RAM (1866mhz) and CPU (4.1ghz), ended up performing shockingly well.
@Eduard Berisa It only allows multiplier overclocking with an unlocked chip. Thankfully the 1600 chips are all unlocked.
@@pigdad just don't forget that 1620v2 is LOCKED
@@ZLO_FAF yea, but v1 isn't
running a 1650 V2 at 4.1ghz as well. using a huanan zhi gt279t 6.11. 1866 un-buffered ecc mac pro ram. Keeps my 980ti loaded nicely
Can you tell me about the temperature and power consumption after overclock
The motherboard that was your favorite was a killer option for budget gaming! Quad channel DDR3 and support for PCIE m.2 storage make for a blazing fast experience for the money you spend! I'd love to build one of these for fun to see what you could do with it. (not going to because money haha)
Thanks for this video Phil!
You're such a great counterpoint to new hardware channels like Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed. My daily driver may be mostly new hardware, but I also like great deals and parsing specs late into the night. Solid work. I always look forward to your Friday uploads.
It's bigger then that.i see this as smart way of reducing ewaste.instead of buying new silicon .
Hey Phil, I just completed my Ivy Bridge build, the base was a ThinkStation E31 with a Xeon E3-1225 v2 (basically i5-3470 with a bigger L3 cache) - the base system came in for me at USD 105 with 16GB DDR3 preinstalled and a 500 GB HDD. I decided to go all in and get a really nice 80Plus Gold Seasonic PSU, a Sapphire Nitro RX580 8GB and a 480 GB Kingston SSD. It's very quiet and is more than a match to my main Skylake rig that I put together a few years ago. It all totaled to USD 414. Can't complain at all.
NiGhtPiSH should have gone an old server.Dell 3600.gold power supply ,ssd, Windows 10 professional,6 core 1660 , 32gig quad channel ram for $300U.S
@@chefgav1 that's what I had locally, so it made sense. There are no reasonably priced servers from this generation in Bulgaria.
NiGhtPiSH ah ok.Thought you in U.S.fair enough
I wish stuff like this was around back in the 1990s and early 2000s when I was going to college and studying computers. People have it so good these days. In 1999 we would have never dreamed of buying used server grade CPUs and downloading free virtualization software.
Hardly possible, pc back in the day progresses so fast that component released after nine months will become obsolete, every part passed 2 years would become useless. Lga 1356 in today’s standard is like how we view 486 in year 2001 when Pentium 4 is emerging but except you couldn’t run jack shit on any software released in 2001 while lga 1356 xeon running modern software flawlessly thanks to emerging mobile computing. Plus declining pc market that drag down the pc performance progression and development making pc last a lot longer than it used to.
However things will change, both intel and amd are back on track plus the pandemic had accelerated the pc sales skyrocketed that may encourage desktop processor start leading another huge boom in performance since core 2 era. It will be nightmare for used part market, and lack of hardware crypto scam/ransomware protection and meltdown/spectre fix leaving any platform before coffee lake in extremely hazardous condition for users. I will not recommend people to use any of these platforms unless you willing to lose your data or have private information stolen.
I was thinking the same even a quick video on optimism a pc would have made all the difference but back then you had to do plenty of trial and error
I am going lga 2011. Grabbed myself an e5 2609 quad core for a fiver. Going to chuck 16gb of ecc ram with it and a gt 1030. Its just for playing world of warcraft downstairs during the day. My main ryzen 5 gtx 1060 6gb rig is in the bedroom
picked up an old Dell workstation with a E5-1650 and paired it with a X79 Classified before these new "x79" boards came out and i must say these xeons do some serious work for the price. ended up with a good system paired with an RTX 2070 and it works pretty well for 4K gaming. IPC on Sandy Bridge is on par with the first gen ryzen processors. ended up with a 1080cb in Cinebench R15 at 4.0Ghz
Thanks for the excellent video. Have been researching LGA-2011 builds and your vid is more comprehensive than most. Great job mate.
Thanks for watching!
I have both, Xeon 5690 vs i7 3960, about the same performance after overclocking to the max. 48gb ram for 1366 and 64gb for 2011.
More youtubers should start doing what you are doing, you started making videos being inspired by others but I think the time has come for them to take inspiration from you and step up their game.
The big channels have their hands full with the Nvidia super cards as well as the imminent AMD CPUs and Graphis cards :)
@@philscomputerlab So true, and that has a place, but there are 30 channels all doing that, spreading the same spin (since nobody knows until launch) and so I come here, and the channels like this, which are keeping it real. If you are an enthusiast this is the fun stuff just as much as Ryzen 3 which is going to cost quite a bit more- and as yet we are just getting leaks that could be coming from anywhere (AMD/Intel basically). This isn't going to be for everyone, there is some risk, but it looks fun for not too much money.
@@philscomputerlab Not only to mention they are spitting on what they name old crap technologies which is all about Xeon. Keep up at all cost the very good job you're actually doing Phils! Thank you so much from France!
This payday I'm ordering my ram. 128 gigs of 1600 mhz DDR3 registered ECC is less than 200.00 if you shop around.
When you were saying ones on the right side look more generic and plain I was literally thinking "Those are the coolest looking mobos I've ever seen. Really classy". Just wanted to share my opinion my man :)
At 2:58 you say that the sellers try to trick you with a "C2": I don't think so. They tell you that this is the newer Sandy Bridge-EP stepping with working VT-d. C1 was the first stepping where VT-d was broken.
Fair enough, I mentioned it because I got a few comments asking me if C2 are V2.
Wow, what a video, thank you to give us a such good work, to be perfect just missing an X5650 in comparison...
@J.C. Denton, x5650, not that crap
@J.C. Denton X5690 (130W!) is only so much more powerful (10-20%) than X5650-X5675 (95W!) at the expense of 150% more energy consumption and heat! In Germany or Canada with electricity bills of more than 100$ or even 100€ a month (!) 30+ more watts is an expensive problem.
@@txemaarechabala6639 the optimal CPU in X58 line is X5675
Lot of good detail and advice, and honesty here. Keep up the good work and ignore the haters.
The video i was looking for...Thanks mate!
Hi Phil, nice video as always, you say that you have an e5-1650 v2, would you please do a review to how overclock it and benchmarking, thank you.
Yea that should be coming soon!
Cool video. Watching similar videos convinced me to upgrade from my little Elite 8200 from HP to a second hand Dell Precision workstation with an E3-1245 Xeon. So far I really like it.
Still in love with my HP z800, x2 Xeon X5687 totaling 8 cores 16 threads at 3.6GHz base and 3.9GHz turbo on all cores. 48GB memory at 1333MHz in triple channel. Only needed a USB 3.0 expansion card.
Depending on what you use it for, I'd recommend upgrading to 2x Xeon X5680 or X5690. They are 6c/12t CPUs so you'd get a total of 12c/24t.
@@Pasi123 Eight cores is plenty for me and I value the higher clock speed of the 5687. There is no overclocking on the z800
@@DigitalNegative
Higher clock speed is generally more important than cores for gaming.
Hi, I own an HP z800 too. I am interested to know which type of eGPU did you use and how you made it work. Also I want to know if there are some ssds that i can use for my hp z800. Thank you very much!
Holly smokes, that E5-2689 is a very intriguing option! Would be awesome if you could do a comparison with a Ryzen 7 1700 at some point.
And also something like R5 1600/2600 & i5 9400F.
It's on the cards for sure!
Yeah, i am looking for something like that as a second pc for streaming and encoding.
@@rinserofwinds Ryzen 7 2700 is also getting cheaper... 190€ in Europe atm.
@@KARAOTI23 that's not cheap imo, every penny counts :v
(I guess I'll stick to my i5 3330 until it dies, doesn't bottleneck anything I do anyways xd)
At about the 15:26 mark, when you list the E5-2430V2 vs the E5-2630V2 you have the E5-2630V2 listed as having 6 cores and 8 threads. Should be 12 threads!
Interesting video and comparison.
Yup 6c12t!
Are all the ports on the Kllisre x9a 1356 board SATA 2.0? I noticed on the board I have that 2 of them are labelled SATA3.0_1 & SATA3.0_2. Didnt know if you had checked or not. Not had chance with an SSD to check mine yet.
Regarding checking streaming, use obs.live, login with your twitch account, setup resolution and refresh rate. Add a video source for the game and should be good to go. Click go live and boom, you are live. OBS says about dropped streams. Can change to X264 for CPU encoding or can use GPU encoding. Just keep an eye on CPU/GPU load. I occasionally have the issue of obs.live only using first 4 threads, have to either run as admin or once opened go into task manager and set affinity to use all the threads.
Again, great video Phil. Always good to watch and very informative.
Yea mine came with H61 chipset, so only SATA 2 on all ports including mSATA.
I just bought a 2420v2 with the nice board (usb3 and m.2) for 60€.
Seems like a solid deal
amazing review , thats all i needed to know before i buy
Not much of a gamer, but I did score a dual socket LGA 2011 board for less than 100.00. I also got a pair of E5-2680's for 62.00 each.
I love your videos dude
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Nice, that's a comprehensive overview, Phil. :)
Looking forwards to seeing how you get along with your 1650v2 - that's a great chip!
Gonna ramp up my search for used 2011 boards here locally. Seems to be a good time for bargains.
Very informative! I'm looking into building my own xeon gaming pc soon. Thank you for reviewing the motherboards! Subscribed! :)
So use incognito mode to search on AliExpress!
Why?
@@DunhaCC 13:55
Great work, Phil! I think I know what my birthday present to myself might be!
Hey Phil when you were talking about Intel at around 27:00 I have been noticing something that all the new CPUs coming from Intel in 2019 (9000 series) have NO Logical cores (Hyperthreading) from the 4 core I3-9100F to the 9700K so they have been doing there best to deal with the fatal flaw of their Logical Cores, but they are also now starting to get more aggressive at least in the US right now on pricing of these CPUs for Example the i3-9100F can be had for $90 in the US, 100 british pound (including VATS) in the UK in AUS though it's still a little high IMHO at 116. Yet Intel has been kinda quiet about it.......
With that said Since I have a spare H310 Motherboard that I bought new for $40 earlier this year I am going to buy the I3-9100F, and see just how good the I3 9100F is with the new UBI Soft titles using a RX 470 4GB. Heck at $90 that is a pretty sweet deal.
Interesting, I have not noticed this. I wonder if the trend continues...
🙂 good point, yes thats an i3-8100 basically, that might well be the G4560 for 2019 & 2020 then ✌️😏
Happy with the vid. My 2689, mobo, ram has arrived. I was able to snag a rx 580 for relatively little. Will buy the rest of the system tomorrow.
At this point, I have become pretty perplexed by power supplies. Common wisdom is that you want to spend at least around $50 on good brand for the power supply. I will end up spending more on it than the cpu.
As long as it has good reviews and it comes from a reputable brand you should be fine
My approach is 1. Get a name brand 2. Check it has all the plugs without need for adapters and 3. pick a wattage that is double that of what your machine consumes (for max. efficiency).
@@philscomputerlab 4. Efficiency rating, bronze silver etc.
Get the most efficient you can afford.
Some of the cheapo unrated ones can be horrible, pulling way more from the wall than is necessary.
Check local deals too. I was able to pickup an ASUS P9x79 Pro with i7 3840 + 32 GB 1333Mhz RAM + a cooler master tower cooler...total price EURO 200 or about USD 220. In essence, the motherboard costed about 20 - 30 dollars given the fungible value of the other items. Hard to beat by any account. Paired with the E5-1650v2 and a used GTX 980...a very nice rig for all sorts of high setting 1080p gaming, plus productivity.
Great deal you got there!
Show some love for LGA1366.
The cpus for it are cheap but the Motherboards are expensive 😔
1366 is dead because 2011 and 1356
@@ДаниилТитов-к3э you're so wrong.
AFAIK 1366 were worth it for the ocing. Nowadays there's not much point due to the price.. I have a i7 920 and some xeon wSomething
@@FTVG_inc the gigabyte one and an x5660 can be had for 120 bucks, the problem is with shipping as the boards can get damaged in the process.
@@FTVG_inc good luck with rotten/broken motherboards, fucking genius
Ali express X79 boards are my thing! I built 4 lga2011 X79 board builds from Ali Express for my Kids builds with 4 channel 32gb of RAM. I love this build. Prices with 1660ti when I bought there were cheap and Powerful. All my kids stream, and can stream at 1080p-60fps while playing games (fortnite 120fps Epic settings). They are happy, and I was impressed, and a little jealous as the performance for what I paid, was rivaling my 2600x w/2060 that I build for about $1000.
FYI , Prices gone up from when I purchased it seems, I purchased in mid May 2019 ($ in USD)
CPU - Intel Xeon E5 2650 V2 Processor 8 CORE 2.6GHz (I paid $64.99)
X79 Motherboard 2011 ATX Main Board USB3.0 SATA3.0 PCI-E 16X NVME M.2 SSD (I paid $75)
RAM (total 32gb) = 8GB x 4 1866 ECC DDR3 (I paid $16.53 each - total $66.12)
Aigo CPU Cooler Radiator TDP 280W Heat Sink Silent 120mm (I paid $23.07)
DIYPC DIY-F2-P Black / Purple SPCC Micro ATX Mini Tower Computer Case {also bought it in white/blue and orange/black} ( I paid about $35)
EVGA 550 N1 100-N1-0550-L1 550W (I paid $30 after main in rebate)
Silicon Power 512GB NVMe M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 x4 ( I paid $55 on sale)
MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (I paid $260 after Rebate)
TOTAL = $610
What I Purchased Links:
RAM 8GB x 4 1866 ECC DDR3 (I paid $16.53)
www.aliexpress.com/item/32647581389.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.5ba04c4d2XcUU3
CPU - Intel Xeon E5 2650 V2 Processor 8 CORE 2.6GHz (I paid $64.99)
www.aliexpress.com/item/32966741883.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.5ba04c4d2XcUU3
X79 Motherboard 2011 ATX Main Board USB3.0 SATA3.0 PCI-E 16X NVME M.2 SSD (I paid $75)
www.aliexpress.com/item/33016142058.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.5ba04c4d2XcUU3
Aigo CPU Cooler Radiator TDP 280W Heat Sink Silent 120mm (I paid $23.07)
www.aliexpress.com/item/33000483882.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dmckFWk
DIYPC DIY-F2-P Black / Purple SPCC Micro ATX Mini Tower Computer Case {also bought it in white/blue and orange/black} ( I paid about $35)
EVGA 550 N1 100-N1-0550-L1 550W (I paid $30 after main in rebate)
www.newegg.com/evga-550-n1-100-n1-0550-l1-550w/p/N82E16817438105?Item=N82E16817438105
Silicon Power 512GB NVMe M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 x4 ( I paid $55 on sale)
www.newegg.com/silicon-power-p34a80-512gb/p/N82E16820301394?Item=N82E16820301394
MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (I paid $260 after Rebate)
www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-gtx-1660-ti-ventus-xs-6g-oc/p/N82E16814137392?Item=N82E16814137392&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3a%2f%2fpcpartpicker.com%2fproduct%2fRGyV3C%2fmsi-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-6-gb-ventus-xs-video-card-gtx-1660-ti-ventus-xs-6g-oc&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-m1NvwLlkrpZo6S9Cp6qZhQ
Nice!
There's an excellent choice of high end 1366 X58 and very budget CPU's if you choose. A i7 930 is about $14 now and OC's to 4.5GHz on a good ASUS X58 (mine was the ROG Rampage II w/ Xeon W-3690 3.56g hex) or cheaper Xeon E5620 2.4G quad under $5.. Tri-Ch DDR3 RAM can keep up to low end DDR4.
I discovered the Intel® Xeon® Processor W3690
12M Cache, 3.46 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI and a Chinese X58 board. The CPU is unlocked and can reach 4.5GHz on air. Also the motherboard support 4 channel ram and 32GB. What do you think? Total price is 180 for cpu ram and motherboard. Not sure if there are overclocking options on these Chinese motherboards.
I'll have a look, I wasn't aware of unlocked 1366.
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I recently got an Intel DX79SR for 50 bucks on eBay and to my surprise it posted after flashing the latest bios. All I need now is some RAM and a new CPU and I'll be good to go. It can even overclock and it's in perfect condition. Don't have a cooler thats compatible though, I have to lay my freezer Xtreme rev. 2 while my case is on its side.
Without watching I say 2011, why? Quad channel memory and cheap ecc.
I saw this in a Scrapyard Wars episode, while quad channel gives you bandwidth advantage, dual channel gives you latency advantage, so you can get more performance in dual channel than in quad channel, in games anyway.
@@xFluing Maybe there's something I don't know, but I think you are confusing 4 channel with 2 channel and 2 rank (4 modules in 2 channels). A 2 channel system should clock faster with 2 modules only. I don't think there is any disadvantage to quad channel.
the Socket 2011 Was Never Designed to do what hes doing or been showing. it was more Mint to the server world that was it should shine
amazing im in the uk and im looking for one of them cheap with a good cheap gfx card everying now days is so exspensive in the uk
In the US, MicroCenter is selling Ryzen 5 1600 for $80 now that can be paired with cheap used B350 motherboards ($50-$80). While I do have a couple of mainstream MSI and Intel X79 motherboards and have built a lot of my favorite overclocked X58 builds, the 1st Gen Ryzen at that price is now a hard price check on my xeon aspirations! For me, I have passed on a few very good mainstream X79 boards recently at around $80 because the Ryzen prices out around the same. It's a great time to be building!
That's good for you, but most of use don't like in the US and near Micro Center, so it always depends.
🙂 yes thats fine but im really happy with 1156 for now, im building two first gen i7 computers, one for me and one for mum, finally a la carte prices are great for 1156 yay! 😍
Excellent video, love seeing the alternatives of older hardware, have a X5675 in an offline workstation. I like the X58 platform but you make good points to consider checking out a 2011 as well.
Are old xeons really worth it now with the price you can pick up 1st gen ryzen for on Ali express and the advantages of being on a modern platform
Yea you got to crunch the numbers in your region / market and consider all the pros and cons!
Interesting video
Sketchy motherboards, sketchy Russian hacks to get the bios working better, and lacking or improper running features.
It might be worth saving extra money to build something newer that has a better upgrade path, or at least older office machines.
That's what makes it exciting! It's like the 486 days again, with the weird Taiwanese boards with many different incompatible CPU sockets that you can burn your CPU if you put it in backwards, plethora of chipsets with odd compromises, unusual board layouts, no warranty whatsoever, asking around for driver discs, overclocking, power management quirks... we're not building a stable business PC here, we're building a cheap, fast Frankenstein's monster of unofficial, unlicensed and unsupported parts and it's brilliant.
The M.2 ssd light is near the slot and its blue in color. The rear lights behind the NIC/USB ports are in green (power led)
Hunanzhi X79 board...
Hey Phil, crossfire on the plex would make a pretty cool video!
Still using a Q6600 @3 GHz + GTX 660 Ti and it performs pretty well in the games I play
avx
The lack of SSE4.1 is a lot bigger problem than the lack of AVX on the Q6600. My main PC doesn't have AVX and I've never had any problems with it.
This video is about 5 months old now, but for whatever it's worth I just bought a Intel Xeon E5-2420 V2 SR1AJ 6-Core 2.2GHz 15MB LGA 1356 Processor for ~$30, albeit "Renewed", whatever that means. I just bought it to upgrade a server btw.
Awesome work once again Phil. Do you have the link to the AliExpress cooler you have there on the LGA 1356 motherboard? I'm looking for similar coolers but with replaceable fans (I really HATE RGB stuff... I don't mind a color scheme or something but now it seems we can either go full rainbow or nothing at all).
It's sold out now, but there might be other sellers.
1866 works in many cases on 1356 been researching it alot and, a buddy found that 1866 worked fine on several boards but not on others, but if you used non-ecc ram it would work fine at 1866 on those boards...
im more interested in the new x99-f8 at this point....
its nice that they have m.2 slots that didnt exist when these where new platforms.
as to the chipsets, they are both getting recycled chipsets and getting new-old stock, chipset on some is totally luck of the draw, but with the x99 class its either an x99 or the server equiv most times from what i have been told, some are x79 but, several a buddy got had the c series chipset from the server side and, was very very well made, even a good chipset.
wuson store on aliexpress has a great rep, pre-testing all combos you buy, and their combos dont have a huge margin over buying stuff seperatly from random sellers with much less to no rep.
oh and, if you want more shit you can sometimes get the seller to setup a sale for the price you haggle for on the stuff you want....and they will haggle....its sort of expected in china...
Not sure why you'd do this, get a Dell T5600 or a T3600. You can find a T3600 for fairly cheap, under 300 for an 8 core.
Because of where I live. Shipping such a box alone kills it for me.
I wish they would make some mini-ITX motherboards on both sockets.
Me also.
Nice informative video Phil. Have you tried to use the Intel Extreme Utility tool in any of these configurations? Sometimes you can overclock CPUs in Oem motherboards with the tool, even when the bios are normally locked. I've read this can work on hexa-core and Octa-core xeons versions1 & v2, I think they locked it in version 3. It would be interesting to see if you could wring out a bit more performance with these.
Nope no luck I'm afraid, I tried that tool as well as Throttle stop.
@@philscomputerlab ah well ok then. thanks for trying and all your efforts.
Great video this is what I wanted/ expected doing great work !
it was one of those for me where i was looking at 1356 motherboards and there just happend to be an x79 motherboard there that changed my mind on the platform and now ive been waiting for my x79 board and i already have my e5 2680
Depending on the benchmark, cpus like e5-2690 (8 core, 2.9GHz) are 50-70% as good as core i9-9900k (8 core, up to 5GHz). Not a lot of progress has been made since sandy bridge. Intel originally meant to mass produce 10nm cpus by 2016. Ryzen was more about value than performance. I have a feeling sandy bridge will be good for another decade. Although it will probably be more expensive by then. Because it will become increasingly rare and always in demand.
One thing to add. Would it be possible to do some benchmarks for dual-vs-quad channel memory on all speeds 800,1066,1333 and 1600.
The reason for this is that in the UK 16Gb sticks of 1066/1333 ECC reg are so cheap it would be rude not to put in 32gb. Last set of 2x 16Gb 1066 cost me £30 (~$40 US) when 1600 would cost over 50% more.
Every 1333 REG ECC kit I tried, overclocked to 1600 just fine. In memory bandwidth situations, yea, even with Quad-Channel you see an improvement from 1600 to 1866. In games not so much, I had to benchmark at like 800x600 in Tomb Raider to see a difference.
@@philscomputerlab Thanks
Nice video, specially the info about the processors, but one question, will a LGA 2011 motherboard work with a 450w PSU?
Yes that will be fine!
@@philscomputerlab Awesome, thank you for your answer.
If these motherboard manufacturers are on a weird form factor roll, would not be awesome if they could design a board that would fit onto a Power Mac G3/4/5 chassis without modifications??? Now that would be amazing!
What's the advantage of one of those LGA 2011 / 1356 combos in comparison to a B450+Ryzen 1600 combination?
Seeing that the Ryzen 1600 can be bought for around 80-90 $US and a B450 board for around 60$ i can't help but feel you get a lot more processing power for the same price i can't help but wonder about that? (The Ryzen 1600 has a 3.6Ghz base clock and unlocked multiplier from the start)
You need to figure in ram cost as well.
DDR 4 is hovering around $5-7/GB for the cheap stuff. USD pricing.
DDR 3 ecc can be had for around $2-3/GB or less. If you shop around.
I've picked em up for less than $1/GB.
Also if you check Ali express, taobao, and some other China sites, you can get combos that are cheaper than buying parts individually.
Honestly, if you have the money, buy the newer stuff.
If you have a limited budget, or parts laying around, the 2011 can be a pretty good deal.
Yea that's for you to decide! Every market is different, so price it up and compare.
Great video again Phil. Maybe a bonus video on these platforms on Windows XP!
I'm currently using a Zeon E3-1230V2 on the 1155 Ivy Bridge socket and an RX580 8gb. It's plenty strong and as long as I use 16gb of 1600Mhz ram, my setup can't be beat for the $280 that I've spent on it over the 6 to 7 years that I've been running it.
Phil it would be nice to do test with all the spectre/meltdown patches disabled and enabled. Its hard to find any results when it comes to their impact on older Sandy/Ivy architectures. If your bios does not have fixes in it (hopefully not) you can just use inspectre to disable meltdown protection and remove the mcupdate_intel.dll in system32 folder to disable the spectre protection (and any OS based microcode updates). From my measurements it can give around 5-8% difference which is not that small.
Jingsha appears to be the manufacturer, as I see that many of these motherboards on AliExpress mention them. I agree that these boards with brand names like "Huanan", "PlexHD", "KLLISRE" and others all must buy their boards from this manufacturer and then just merely brand them, put custom heatsinks on them, etc. before selling.
KLLISRE review coming this Friday video :)
I really want to buy xeons for so long, but most reviewer doesnt give productivity benchmarks.
Can we get more productivity benchmark such as using handbrake to encode video x264 or HEVC encoding please. for my understanding encoding needs high clockspeed.
I'm working on something like that, but not sure how comparable it will be. I will just handbrake a 4K file from my camera and show the FPS. I also plan to edit my next video on LGA 2011, to see how it compares to my i7 4770.
I suggest you use hwbot x265 encode benchmark, there are 4k and 1080p option but encode straight from handbrake is nice too and also try compare the results from your testing to hwbot websites for each cpus.
Also if possible add emulator benchmark for the xeons because they have low single core performance and low clockspeed, some emulator does take advantage more than 4 cores like CEMU which i highly recommend.
Thanks for taking this into consideration. looking forward for the next videos.
Just type processor name in YT, alot benchmarks and compares out there
I have a X79T (Same as plexhd) mobo and I can confirm _if_ you enable it in the bios it works. However on like my 5th time using it my computer ended up not being able to wake up so not the best.
I have a 2690 and 3 1866Mhz (2x4 + 1x8) sticks stuck at 1600Mhz. Could easily trade my 8GB for 2 more 4GB sticks from a friend though. Have had it for 6 months. I also dropped the cover into the CPU stock and I think bent a few pins a little lol.
Oh btw the mobo won't boot from DVI for some reason by default I think?
You doing an excellent work. I have a 9th gen pc build but im watching this videos and want to just build test and play. It will feel better 😜
You know I get quite a few comments in this direction, it's fun buying high end parts from yesterday and just playing around with them :)
I bought a Xeon 2689 and the X79-Turbo MB. I just want to say it works just fine. I'm running with my old RAM, because the ones I bought were faulty. I bought 4 4GB sticks DDR3 1600, and only one of them works. I received a refund, so no big trouble. When I try to run the faulty sticks, it shows b1 in the post display. Doesn't beep, nothing. Tried to change the speed, other slots, rubber to clean contacts, and nothing changed. What could be the problem? I'm gonna put some hot air in the chips, maybe some solders are cracked.
Also, you make a great job.
Well that's good that you got your money back. Because the RAM controller is on the CPU, and I had this issue with one board, clean the bottom of the CPU, all the pads, and check for bent pins.
@@philscomputerlab I checked the socket, cleaned the CPU pins, changed the CPU (when I bought the Xeon E5 2689 they send me 2 instead by error), heated the ram sticks with hot air, and nothing changed. b1 in the post display, no beep, nothing. I don't think the MB or the processors are damaged, because one of the sticks does work, and the other three don't. I will buy4 new sticks from a more reliable source.
Great video but please list your featured hardware in the description below your Support the Channel links.
The motherboards you find on ali express can often be found on ebay for basically the same price. In my experience, at least in the US, the processors and memory can often be found a little cheaper on ebay.
I found eBay's pricing to be 20-30Us higher, but still ship from China. PayPal may be a benefit over AliExpress. Returns may be easier through AliExpress.
If the motherboard has a decent number of SATA connectors possibly 10 you should be able to create a SYNOLOGY Flash station assuming you can have one drive as your boot drive and the other 9 drives as your data pool.
Hi, Phil, I'm a huge fan of you channel. Can you review some new X99 motherboards and cpus from aliexpress :) they have much better motherboards in stock now and cpus became cheaper.
For eg. Xeon E5-2678 v3 12 core multithreaded beast cost 100eur, supports DDR3/DDR4 server memmory and turbo boost can be unlocked on some motherboards.
Thank you for this video. You give fantastic info. I just wish you uploaded it a bit sooner, because I've already bought an EastVita x79 with E5-2420
The build is fantastic for me but I wouldn't mind spending a few extra dollars for the better option. I just didn't know, there is too much info and I am overwhelmed.
Yea, there are a lot of options. I learn and unpack everything at the same pace, so when I do my first video, I do not know of the other options...
How did you get the E5 2430 v2 to work with that motherboard? I have the same one and it wont work (I tested it by replacing my e5 2420 with the 25 2430v2 and deduced that it was the e5 2430 v2's fault. The Pc would turn on but monitor is stuck on power saver mode)
I have a suggestion Phil, you can do Cinebench R15 test and mention them with each processors. That test is essentially a render test and many people buy these many core processors for rendering purposes.
Too all the Intel haters out there, who dispise them for the low development though 6+ years. Blame yourself as a consumer - you bought their stuff and put money in their company for doing that. Don't blame a company trying to make max profit with minimal effort. You should know who is really to blame ;)
These sets could get around 300 USD easily, not expecting to pay import duty fees (irony...). Isn't that worth to invest instead on a AMD Ryzen new generation low budget CPUs, regarding cost/performance? Or even the AM3+ socket, e.g., a AMD FX-8300 BE 8 core CPU (~ 50 Euro, brand new).
🙂 sure but why does it have to be amd?
@@MrSamadolfo , let's say the video was on purpose about Intel CPUs, rather than other brand. I'm Just checking on potential new approaches to build a second hand system for running proxmox ve.
@@PTReDaLeRtPT 😃 oh i see
Dear God you make my gaming pc look antique
Still use my Asus Rampage II gen X58 mobo
Even if on asus website say not support Xenon the motherboard support all 6 core xenon I try and server ddr3 in triple chanal, with a 1080gtx I play wicher3 2k resolution 60fps medium settings enough for me
r/ispeakdaengrish
another good reason to avoid the cheaper 1356 board with the weird layout is that it doesn't run ram at 1600 very well. I was getting occasional uncorrectable ECC errors and had to drop down to 1333. I'm pretty sure this wasn't the dimm's because I tried with better desktop ram that is rated for 1866 and got the same issue at 1600 (couldn't even boot windows). maybe i just got a bad board or the memory controller got damaged in shipping, but yeah. at least it seems rock solid at 1333
The memory controller is on the CPU die not into the motherboard chipset, so either your CPU is faulty (unlikely if it's a Sandy Bridge one that only supports up to 1333 MHz natively) or the BIOS doesn't actually set the correct timmings to the RAM when you set the speed. Best regards
If you don't mind bulk, you can get away with a pretty insane setup for about $180 (without a GPU). You can pick up an HP Proliant DL360 I think its gen 6 1U Server, it comes with 2 6-core xeons (e5650 I think), and mine came with around 72GB ram. Not bad for $180 if you ask me;
Throw in a budget GPU (im using an AMD card) and you got it made.
I dont game on it I use it for business, but if anybody wants to, they can pick one up and game on that beast.
I am pondering if i should get a x58 mobo from alixpress but i am so scared it's dead on arrival.I am from south africa and only lives of disability grant so i can not afford to send it back if it does end up being faulty.I want to use my second server as an entry level gaming pc(2u rake mount does have an add one to get a 16x pcie slot but idk where to find one and a little small to add a proper gpu in.
🙂 dont do it
21:55 ...for 80 US dollars i get a ton of sluts???!!!? Wooo!!! Im going to huanan!!! :))))))
I have one of these (old Dell server), but I notice that the new Ryzen processors have double the single thread score of my top of the line Sandy Bridge xeons (2 e5-2690). I paid half as much as a 3700x for double the cores which seems like a good deal... But it seems like with a new node (finally) single thread performance is up. I guess I still win on ram price, but it's getting to the point where new machines are good buys again.
And the 2690 is actually one of the higher clocked ones at 3.3 GHz. Yea the new Ryzen CPUs have very strong IPC and they run past 4 GHz, so that is very difficult to compete with.
Lga 1366 is great value atm. The x5650 and up are much cheaper than what they used to be, and the boards can be found on eBay for $40-$70 for the Chinese boards, and original/genuine x58 boards start around $60-$80.
I highly recommend going this route instead to save the most you can get still get killer support.
I myself have both an EVGA x58 Sli board and a GA-x79-UP4 board.
Running a x5650 @ 4.2(Running a cheap cooler, the chip I have can hit around 4.6/4.7 easily, just moved my cooler to my x79 board, so used a cheap one for the x58)on the x58
Running a i7-3930k @4.5 on the x79 (Going to get a 1680-v2 in the next month or so)
You can score the Matx x79 mob for 50 now, pair it with a E5-2667v2 and some cheap sever ram and you have a midrange platform for like 100 bucks. Also can run XP for retro goodness
Yess 😍
The Chinese is also selling X99 motherboards now.
But the cpu prices still on the higher side.
Chinese x99 mob selling in about year on Ali. One is most interesting is x99 for 2678v3 CPU + ddr3
With Ryzen, these parts need to become a LOT cheaper.
I've been looking into this recently, and a lot of vendors are listing their motherboards as 'x79' on aliexpress for lga1356 motherboards, what exactly is up with that? What chipset does your LGA1356 motherboard have?
would love to see you put together a "budget" Folding rig (with a used or new RTX 2060 - the most efficient card for folding!)
How much would the difference in idle power be? It seems plausible that more PCIe lanes and more powerful VRMs would result in some sort of extra power draw on the 2011 platform, but how much is it? (Assuming C states are working properly - consult Throttlestop.) Is the 1356 platform more power-hungry than the 1155 (give or take individual board variation)? What is the effect of registered vs. unbuffered memory?
You can use HWMonitor to list the power consumption of CPU components individually. Pretty interesting stuff.
Good video thank you. I happen to be running on an x79 3930k with Gigabyte board and it runs games just fine. A quick look on ebay shows you can actually get dual CPU motherboards too.
So how does this compair to something like first gen ryzen set up?
For example, a ryzen 1600 can occasionally be had for $80 or less and ryzen first gen boards are cheap.
In addition, DDR4 has come WAY down. It may be entirely possible to get CPU, Ram, and MOBO for ryzen for around $180-250.
Also, in theory, a ryzen motherboard can eventually be flashed to support a 3rd gen ryzen CPU.
What do our totals look for CPU/RAM/MOBO for 2011 socket?
is that snappy driver installer app really good and trusted? ive always had issues with certain drivers in time or cant find one manually or a program that isn't considered spyware or virus or that sort.
I swear by it (you will see me using it in varioud videos of mine) :)
ah nice i am usually careful so more i know from others the better. i guess ill give it a try then ehe.
I've only used it on one system but the program was a perfect
Still waiting on Hashwell motherboards
Could you try re-encoding a video in hand break, I’m interested in building one for video editing.
just bought a asus rampage extreme iv x79 board for 300 canadian dollars(220 US dollars),going to eventually swap my current ram for 8 sticks of 2400MHz 4GB dimms and swap the e5 1603 i currently have for a e5 1680 v2 and overclock it to 5GHz
KWAAAKITY 300 CAD? Would have gone Ryzen at half the price
Damn! This fucking nonsense! You can build solid rig with new components for this money, but instead you did so stupid thing bought overpriced brand x79 board and now you wanna do another stupid thing - buying super overpriced 1680 v2! Omg!