Great Video Phil. That board looks like the best of the Chinese 2011 boards. As far as performance goes the CPU is close to the R5 1600. Here in the US the R5 1600 $100, B350/B450 mobo $60, 32GB DDR4 3200 $120. Cutting the memory down to 16GB it comes in around the same price. Long term that’s a better option. I feel these Chinese boards and Xeon CPUs need to be a little cheaper. $100-$140 for this kit would make it an amazing deal in my opinion.
The Good Old Gamer also if you live near a Microcenter you can get the R5 1600 for $80 and a mobo for $65-30(when buying the cpu) and tbh ive seen 16gb kits @3200mhz go for 49.99 so that’s definitely a great deal especially for two kits! Gonna be interesting to see when they start bring the prices for the 2600 down!
Yea it's the Russians that buy all these Xeon parts! Have a look at the feedback, it's mostly Russians and there are heaps of channels doing videos on these parts :D Ryzen not so much, seems this is "our" budget platform. I got my 1600X from AliExpress today, paired with a RX 470 (Also from AliExpress, was a 470D which I flashed the BIOS) and it's a great little machine. I have a dedicated Ryzen test corner now and played a bit of Crysis. Still drops below 60 FPS :( That game is so pporly optimized. I guess in a few years I will have a Ryzen 3600 :P
For anyone who already has the ram this deal is available on Amazon for 140.00 This is a steal at this price for my kiddo's Fortnite streaming PC. Plus with Amazon returns are super easy if there is an issue with either. Nice to see your support here Chris 👍👍 I'm loving both your channels atm!!!
@@philscomputerlab is there a official website for drivers and software for the motherboard? I m looking for a fan control software because after I used sdi to find the missing drivers all my fans are now running full speed and now my PC sound like a jet engine
@@ivanpopov8203 You've obviously never paired a bad gpu with a bad ram stick or any other part that's dodgy. Beep codes tell me everything I need to know.
@@SDPosse619 That's not going to cut it. You need more budget. That will barely cover the cost of the capture card. What are the specs of your gaming pc? I'd not go for anything below a 7 1700 with 8GB ram.
Finally, benchmark for content creators. Thanks as always for the great video, now i can compare to other processors. Its a shame that it doesnt have integrated graphics. Intel hd is great for faster encoding cause quicksync but i cant argue more. Looking forward for the next video.
Really been enjoying what you've been doing lately. Yeah, a person might not want to build this platform from scratch but it shows that if you have some ddr 3 laying around and an old Xeon happens to fall in your lap, you can have a good running build. Also, do you know of any of these boards have overclocking capabilities?
That's a very nice bundle to game with it, stream and do a lot of things for a bunch of years for that low price. The only bad thing is the overclocking possibility is null, so it makes impossible to bring the full potential of these processors.
G'day Phil. Your findings very much closely match mine. After our last very short exchange in the comments section I ended up doing a stream test with Dirt Rally. My system is a Intel Xeon E5-2687W on a Gigabyte X79 UD3 with 16GB of 2133Mhz RAM. So my CPU is a Sandy Bridge-E model and has a worse IPC than the CPU you're using. Despite my system turboing to 3.2ghz constantly my benchmark scores are pretty much bang on with what you're getting awhile using a whole lot more power. But that's the price to pay I guess, This CPU was the highest performing Xeon I could get that is officially supported by my main board which does everything it should do including sleep so I'm pretty happy with the compromise. The end result was, I can video edit on this thing and I have, live stream using software encoding without dropping frames or maxing the CPU out (in Dirt Rally) the results I'm pretty happy with. I know people are screaming, but 1st gen Ryzen destroys all, if you're like me you tried looking and at the time of looking which is just after the release of Zen 2 there is still no readily available Ryzen bargains out there. People are still happy with their first gen Ryzen 5 and 7 CPU's and are just keeping them. I know being realistic, our performance is somewhere between a Ryzen 5 1600 and a Ryzen 7 1700 and I'm ok with that. At the end of the day I stand by a statement that I may or may not have made publically on here and that is we do not need the latest and greatest gear to having a great computing experience. My PC combined with a Geforce GTX1080 means I have a consistantly fluid gaming experience and content creation is a pleasure. I know I could do better but there is the whole thing about dollars spent vs deminishing returns. It's easy to spend heaps and the benchmarks say yeah it's faster but in the real world I couldn't tell the difference. Now having said that. I also tested my Xeon W3680 on a Gigabyte X58A UD7 mobo with 12GB of RAM. I was NOT able to live stream Dirt Rally at 1080P using software encoding as the CPU maxed out. When I switched back over to using the AMD encoder everything was fine and it's still fantastic as a gaming PC for the most part but I can absolutely feel it's limitations when pushed. As far as productivity goes, if I had to I could still live with that PC as my main machine without feeling like I was missing out on very much. It still gets the job done. Well thanks for reading. I wanted to contact you earlier with my findings but I couldn't find any practical way of contacting you. Thanks for the video Phil. Keep up the great work.
I see a few people in the comments banging on about why would you get one of these over the new Ryzen. I love the Ryzen platform but again from my own experience the platform initially seemed to have some issues with latency even though the system would go hard and perform extremely well in synthetic benchmarks in the real world seemed to be plagued by issues with microstutters and high system latency. One thing I can confirm is that since I have been using my old Xeons my whole computing experience has been smooth as butter and I'm as happy as a pig in mud. When my finances are better off I wouldn't hesitate to grab myself a Zen 2 setup after it's proven itself in the real world. There are still some question marks raised that need to be resolved.
@@garyhope6577 The new 3000 series are truly great CPU's, but as it was mentioned the cheapest CPU costs as much as this whole combo. If people decide to go with Ryzen if they pick the cheapest b450 board + a used 1600 + 16GB of 3000MHz(I know that 3200 is the sweet spot, but it's slightly more expensive and I'm trying to make a point) it will cost them more than this combo + really nice cooler. So essentially the 1600 loses out in my opinion, but now let's talk about future upgrade path. The Ryzen build have a TON of future upgrade path. If you plan on upgrading the 1600 within an year for a let's say 3600 I believe that Ryzen is the right choice, though again let's not forget that for the example we "took" the cheapest b450 board, so it will limit to some extent the 3600(or whatever CPU they upgrade with), but nothing too dramatic considering that there are already videos with a320 boards showing that they are doing just as fine as other boards with these CPU's with the basic settings. However if you don't plan on upgrading, then I don't see any need to compare them. The cheaper option is the better one in my opinion. If you are going to use it for the next 2-3-4 years(most people would) I don't see why you wouldn't pick the xeons. By the time you decide that you want to replace the config there will be newer platforms that will probably peform better than the Ryzen CPU's. At that time you can jump on that platform OR you can get a high end Ryzen whole PC(parts) for dirt cheap since as we have seen their prices drop dramatically each year :) By the time you replace this xeon build the platforms will be using DDR5 RAM, probably PCIe5(or even 6) and probably other new stuff, so the parts for Ryzen and even 8th/9th gen Intel will be a lot cheaper. It all comes down to few key factors. First and probably most important is where you live. For example where I live in the next 2 weeks I'll probably be able to get a deal on a R5 1600+16GB 3000/3200/3600+a b450m pro4(probably the best budget mobo from the 450) for close to the xeon bundle prices(btw there are R5 1600 for $83.50 on aliexpress). However a lot of places around the world won't see such prices any time soon. Second you need to know whether you will keep this PC for a long time or you plan on upgrading in few months/year. And probably most important is what you plan on using the PC. If it's for games you need to know what requirements the games you plan on playing have. If they aren't demanding like for example they are eSports titles you can get a Ryzen build going with an R3 1200 or R5 1400 for now and upgrade down the path to a 3600. If you need it for games and work I personally would pick the xeon, especially if you are on a tight budget. 8c/16t and 32GB REG ECC memory will do wonders for work :)
Just built a system I gave away to an elderly friend of mine using this motherboard's little brother, the X79 M2. Its very similar, in an M-ATX format, 2 less memory slots and only one x16 PCI slot. Decent board, got it cheap on AliExpress' mid-year sale. These boards need more attention! They're great for the price and make use of all these old Xeons and DDR3 RAM laying around. I'd love to see if I could stuff an i7 into one of these, since they're only advertised to be compatible with the e5 Xeons.
They do in fact support i7's. I put an i7-3970X in mine and it works flawlessly. The only downside is that it doesn't support intel's turbo boost. My cpu has a baseclock of 3.5ghz but under 100% load it gets to 3.57ghz but it's supposed to turbo to 4ghz. That's the only downside but yeah if you want the higher clockspeed than the xeons, get the i7. I haven't done any benchmarking between the xeon and the i7 but I have a feeling the i7 probably has an advantage over the xeons in gaming if that's your main focus. For example, in his cpu-z benchmark his single core score was 332.6 and the multicore score was 3075 for the xeon. My i7 scored 390.7 single core and the multicore score was 2603. Mind you his cpu has 2 more cores and 4 more threads BUT for gaming, the single core is what matters mostly. Now a 60 point difference in single core won't make that much of a difference in gaming but it's still slightly more performance. So pretty much, get whatever is the better price but the i7 will have better gaming performance while the xeon will have better rendering/editing based off of cpu-z scores.
@@ChfHappySack Good to know! I was thinking of the i7 idea as possible "upgrade" paths, as these are obviously higher-clocked than the Xeons the board is made to support. Thanks for passing along that lovely bit of info! It will probably come in handy later on!
It's only around 1% of the current votes. You probably have to deal with more loser coworkers than that. When they aren't slumming at work, they're being bitches on youtube.
PhilsComputerLab, thanks for the great video and close ups of the VRM components! Concerning the bios file size @9:45, you may need to use the FPT tool instead of afudos. I had the same problem flashing a Jingsha X79 P3, (which I believe is a newer revision of the same board) and FPT solved it. Obviously, do so with caution.
I bought the smaller version of this board so looking forward to testing it when it arrives. I think we do need to be careful though as AMD have some amazing prices CPUs now plus exceptionally well priced mobos, esp the 1600 you did a video on the other day.
They're selling this motherboard on newegg new for $99 but it has a rebrand on it. It's called the Jingshaw X79. It's the one I bought and I'm so happy you made this video because I learned how to turn off the post beep lol.
Nice review, especially streaming and encoding. I've just got a Dell server that's using LGA 2011. So if server fall's out of use at least I have processors ready for future.
Great video Phil. After reading the comments I think the value proposition will really depend on the region, in Russia and Brazil it's a viable option compared to Ryzen since it's much more expensive to go with AMDs platform. Thanks for all the details, cheers from Brazil ;D
Amazing value! The days when you have to pay thousands in order to be a decent producer or gamer are over! Just 5-6 years ago, if you wanted to build such system you would be lucky if you spent a thousand dollars.
Уви, с новия Райзън ситуацията се промени. Дори у нас вече може да се купи R5 2600 за скромните 270 лева! И то чисто нов, с гаранция, възможност за ъпгрейд и без притеснения относно китайски трикове по платформата. Иначе и на мен ми трябва Xeon Е5-1650 v2, който е само малко по-евтин ($120), но без охладител. Единственото предимство на този етап е евтината сървърна памет. Китайците трябва да бутнат значително цените според мен.
@@НиколаГеоргиев-ш2б 😃😃😃Сори но понятието "скромно" е идилия. За мен това не са скромни пари. Не защото съм беден а защото съм толкова съобразителен. За мен всеки лев може или да ме навие или да ме откаже. И аз съм фен на AMD и ще си направя билд с Ryzen, но не това е въпросът. За много хора даже и това не е опция.
@@НиколаГеоргиев-ш2б Второ, с наличието на тези системи вече наистина се обезсмисля харченето на сумати пари за Premium компоненти. Думата premium също е илюзия и е само за улавяне на овцете, да се чувстват значими. Аз в момента работя на система за 500 лв (лева, не долара), като тази сума е за всички компоненти включително и кутията за компютъра и подкарвам и най-тежките съществуващи в момента игри на 60fps минимум. Това общо взето обезсмисля всичко останало що се отнася до гейминг. Ако говорим за content creation или сървър, историята е малко по-различна, но не чак толкова. Но разбира се, хората си искат своето.
Ако се замислим, така или иначе наливането на пари заради някакъв виртуален свят, който ни краде от истинското време, е безумие. Интересно каква е тази система за 500 лева (със сигурност без монитор)? Все пак последният ми десктоп е с Пентиум 4 :) Иначе скоро попаднах на оферти за употребявани i5 Haswell системи (и то mini tower, а не SFF) с 500GB HDD, 8 GB DDR3 за около 350 лева. Но +100 лв за ново захранване и +150 за видео карта втора ръка надхвърлят този бюджет.
Funny this review pops up - I received two of these boards (by themselves) about three weeks ago. One of them is already in the garbage can, as returning it (customer pays, need tracking #) costs more than the board is worth. So, while a warranty is technically offered, using it (in my case) would cost six dollars more than simply buying another unit. Also, beware reviews of free samples. The sender is motivated to ensure the unit is tested a little extra-well. If simply buy them, good luck.
Awesome video, as always. Looks like a really good value bundle, especially with the CPU and 32GB RAM. It's definitely interesting to see the sort of reusing/recycling that's being done in China. Have you seen any particular odd motherboards produced as a result?
Hey phil! Just wanted to say that there is a overclocking mother board for the price of a plex hd one its the huananzhi deluxe but i think vrms will be a problem for high overclocks
Damn, my productivity rig nets me over 3 times that cinebench score. I have to agree with The Good Old Gamer, these are just priced a little too high to be worth considering, especially given the lack of upgrade path and modern feature support. Something like an R5 1600 or R7 1700 will perform better (than these Xeons) and leave you with the option to upgrade to a 3000 series Ryzen down the line. Much as I love these old Xeons it just doesn't make sense at these prices anymore. The only benefit is for those living in isolated countries where new tech is either tough to come by or over priced compared to the rest of the world, that is assuming they can get these parts shipped to them. It is pretty incredible to see these once godlike Xeons being out performed by standard desktop parts. Not that long ago they were more or less double what you could find in the standard consumer space.
Thanks for covering this topic! AFAIK you're the only creator to address it on this platform and that alone deserves recognition. Nonetheless, I must say that streaming doesn't necessarily require a high thread count CPU if you do use NVENC or the AMD hardware encoder and it seems that Intel HD graphics from Haswell and up can help with video rendering tasks besides the CPU cores, so it was particularly interesting that you had precisely a Haswell CPU to assess the performance of this machine, as doesn't only the integrated HD graphics are useful for the evaluated tasks but also the support for AVX 2.0, as current video editing software does make use of it to accelerate the rendering. Best regards!
good point. At the moment my VM box is an old duel socket 1u dell server. that is a tank when it comes to reliable but clock speeds are low and only have 16 treads.
That is exactly the motherboard I bought after watching all your vids. It's working great together with a 2689 and quad channel memory (only bought 16gb tho)
@Datasoft, Inc. I actually had a go and got frustrated as it wasn't straight forward. I'm quite happy with the Pentium MMX project, that just works and is easy to recommend.
I certainly don't mind getting this kind of system as if I would like to do some crazy mods. If I do that on a brand new system, I can possibly void warranties anyway and will be upset if I damage my expensive spanking new build.
Sad i’m looking for an x79 chipset mobo to do some overclocking! Still to this point, no real Ocing chinese AliExpress board! If any of you know some do tell me! Thanks Phil for the content!
The Huananzhi Gaming Deluxe comes with a real x79 chipset(c602 server chipset) but also suffers from the typical chinese vrm which limits overclocking potential.
The clock ceiling for any unlocked CPU on Chinese boards is 4.2 GHz without voltmods and maybe 4.4 GHz with voltmods, doesn't matter if it's the 1620 (4c/8t) or the 1650 (6c/12t). Aside from the previously mentioned HuananZhi Gaming there are the HuananZhi Plus, the PlexHD Turbo (AKA the Kukete X79 Turbo) and the Jingsha X79M (black and red mATX) which have unlocked BIOSes for both RAM and CPU overclocking. Best regards!
These are ivy bridge CPUs/motherboards, in theory these are corebootable because there's no Intel Boot Guard. For mystery chinese boards like this that seems like a godsend... to have an open source BIOS to unlock more features than what's in stock firmware. It would also allow BIOS updates for security and microcode patches too, something these Chinese boards largely seem to lack
Hey Phil. Nice information video. (we do miss some of the retro stuff). 207 USD looks like very good "value" ! But I have to add that for the time being... below 350 USD you should be able to get a new system: Ryzen 5 1600 + B350 mainboard(from a reputable brand!) and 32 GB DDR4-3000 Memory. I do like the idea of reusing the good old Xeon CPU's. ECC memory... But those chinese weirdo motherboards... I am a bit sceptical about those :)
What retro stuff? I do a get a few comments, but never any specific suggestions, so I listen to the suggestions I do get, which is all on newer stuff :)
@@philscomputerlab I do have have challenge for ya Phil, The ultimate Timemachine PC build.. in modern good looking case... 1. A high-End Windows 98/DOS, Gaming rig. 2. A high-End Windows XP Gaming rig. 2. A Windows 7 daily use rig - all normal daily tasks and able to play League of Legends at minimum 60fps average. *No Emulation Software allowed! Must be able to run majority of the popular DOS games. (Doom, Tombraider, Monkey Islan, Wolfenstein) The biggest Challenge... must be able to play Crysis(in XP) at 1080P@High settings @minimum 30fps average ;) One thing is to figure out the components. You might need something with AGP and PCI-E. (If you doubt any AGP card is up for the Crysis challenge) I will give you a little idea to start with: www.asrock.com/mb/VIA/775Dual-vsta/index.asp. I will send you an email as well, as I will offer some knowledge if you want a bit help.
This isn't a rant, but I've read all the suggestions and nothing seems to get me excited :( I hope it's just a phase. At the moment the modern stuff just gives me joy and I have a great time in the lab. We will be doing more Thin Clients though, they are good fun and cheap. One project I want to do is a GOG Retro PC with 32 Bit Windows 10 and parts for max compatibility.
From the appearance, it seems to me that this kllisre mobo actually produced by none other but the huananzi company whose also selling these boards as oem under the brand of jingsha, plexhd and other brands..also these mobos usually are using intel's B75 chipset, rather than Intel 's c206 as other branded x79.
SUGGESTION: Smallest system you can build with an universal AGP slot. For people that don't have much space, and keep one pc and swap CPUs and Gpus as they like. (Preferrebly Amd system). Maybe sfx psu, microAtx mobo, ssd. Cheapest possible, available on aliexpress.
@@philscomputerlab In theory it should work fine. It is just adding blank or unused data to a functional bios. It's just adding filler. The bios program shouldn't (i guess I'm not guaranteeing anything) even attempt to address the extra space. But I have to admit, I wouldn't be inclined to risk bricking the bios based on theory. In fact I wouldn't custom edit a bios at all. I usually won't update a bios.
@@philscomputerlab It's likely that the vendor opted for a larger EEPROM because it was cheaper or what they had in stock. Why not ask on the russian forum if appending the bios with a second copy will work. There may be an offset to make it read from the correct sector. Mate, I'm over 45 and have been flashing bioses since the mid 80s. This isn't anything particularly new.
I've always considered the Chinese motherboards, the only thing that can make them a viable thing is to lower the price further. Many of us already have a ton stuff laying around and cheap ready-made motherboards are a great way to make secondary pc's, like video content capturing ones, spare, nas, servers, media, young son's pc's and many other things.
I have a Xeon Kit too, works very well, good to play, good to work and costs are low. Here in Brazil i spent R$550,00 (~US$115), Xeon E5-2670 + Kllisre X79M2 + Samsung DDR3 ECC 32GB 1866. It's the best low cost kit.
Hey Phil! One CPU I’ve barely seen any reviews or gaming benchmarks on is the Xeon E5-1603 4 Core | 4 Thread processor. They go for around 18-19$ on AliExpress! It would be very interesting to see how this CPU performs!
Whether that's wise very much depends on your intended tasks. In many gaming scenarios (especially at 1440p and higher detail) these XEONs work surprisingly well, but in some games - especially at 1080p - the lower clock/IPC can hold things back, but it's not as bad as many might assume. If one is content with 1080p/60 then the value is significant. IIRC games like the Assassin's Creed series, SotTR and GTA V benefit from good IPC & clock, but even so the performance is still decent, often because there are so many cores. If one is very fussy about 1%/.1% lows though then at 1080p one is probably better off with a modern high-IPC/clock CPU, including a midrange Zen2. Do also bare in mind the other factors mentioned - warranty, upgrade path, mbd features, etc. Steve at HU criticised these and in many ways he's right, though he did only test a very low-end board so his experience was poor (my slightly more costly Huananzhi X9D has been running fine). Nevertheless, I've been very surprised at how close the lowly 2420 v2 comes to my 5GHz 2700K in many cases for gaming (I'll test with a 6c Intel later, I have a 4960X, which will ensure the PCIe is 3.0 aswell), though beyond the 2430 v2 the value angle does basically vanish for S1356 (S2011 makes more sense), but at some point one will cross over into used 1st-gen/2nd-gen Ryzens and B450 boards, then it gets interesting. My S1356 build btw cost 125 UKP total (about $160 US), fitted with 16GB/1600 RAM and a 6 heatpipe 92mm cooler. I won a high quality 575W PSU for 26 UKP total, under load the setup is basically silent since the 2420 v2 uses so little power. One last point: depending on where you live and Ali shipping policy, you may have to pay import fees. Almost all of my parts were ok, but I did pay 11 UKP duty on a dual-S2011 board I bought, namely this one: www.aliexpress.com/item/33020757992.html
The Debug header is for flashing the BIOS with an SPI programmer. All MSI boards have it, and most Asus boards without a removable BIOS chip also have it. Also, here's an idea for your future videos: modding a cheap B150/B250 LGA-1151 board to run 8/9th-gen CPUs, e.g., i5-9400F and Xeon E-2176G. Since the boards are so cheap from China, and there are plenty of used and ES CPUs available for the socket, it can be a great modern budget option, especially for gaming. I'm currently using a Xeon E-2126G (6C/6T, 3.3~4.5 GHz, 4.1 GHz all-core) with a modded MSI Z170A-S02 board running Z370A-SLI BIOS, and everything I tested works fine: all slots and connectors, audio and LAN, EIST/turbo, RAM speed/timings, and sleep mode. It scores around 515/2880 in CPU-Z and 190/1050 in Cinebench R15.
Very tempting. But not quite as tempting as the $120 2600 with a b450m mobo for $170 at micro center. The DDR3 memory and slow single threaded performance just aren't good enough in my opinion.
@Eduard Berisa Unfortunately, my 4 channel unbranded mobo is running dual channel, and can't seem to see the information on the 4 hynix ecc, reg. ddr3 1333 ram modules. I tried one of those $60 mobo's with a Q67 chipset and no drivers disk. Not to happy about it.
In theory this should perform between the Ryzen 5 2600 and the 5 1600x. Can you please make a comparison of the performance per dollar and performance per watt between these three options?
You can pick up a R5 1600 from aliexpess for $82. Get a local b350 board for $50/60 and 16GB DDr4 2400 mem for $65ish 9spemnd a little more for 3000/3200, for a little over $200 with a cooler as well. Should be as fast in productivity as the 2650v2 and a bit faster in gaming and have a better upgrade/overclocking path and lower power usage..... downside, you'll have to wait a month to get that cpu LOL. Plus you only get 16GB mem instead of 32GB. it's the mobo's which let down these great value Xeon's, but if you can get a cheap/good mobo, you're in business
I think I will buy this motherboard (and a cooling fan and better power supply) just for a cheap server in the clinic that I am the IT for. This seems like the perfect solution because the current server computer (being used by the secretary who really is the head of the clinic daily) is just so slow. Old Xeon e3-1225, 8gb of ram, slow on the network because all of the other computers are accessing it minute by minute. Gigabit ethernet should be just fine but I think that I will purchase this motherboard, replace the one in the current server computer, perhaps reinstall the windows 10 and start from scratch. Thank you for all this current help you are giving out to us! An e5 xeon with a cache this big should drastically help anyway. I just hope it can be done with all of this coronavirus between us and China
Still pinching my self on a local deal: ASUS P9X79Pro (box with all accessories, mint) at $20 and an E5-1650V2 for $62. 32GB 1600 DDR3 Fury RAM for $70. All in $152. I do not think I could find an equivalent deal with Ryzen these days. On air, the CPU manages a daily OC to 4.4Ghz at VID of 1.226 V. Temps at high load are in the low to mid 60's at an ambient of 20 degrees C. Full stress test and the cores peak at 74 degrees C. GPU is a GTX 980. CB R15 multi core is at 1130.
I just picked up a 4x4GB kit of 1600MHz Corsair XMS3 for 30 bucks for my developing build. Sadly while my board supports ECC it doesn't accept registered dimms which is all I could find on eBay. I'm probably gonna just get another 16 gigabytes and ignore maxing out the ram on this board since 64gb is a bit overkill for a budget build. All I need now is a CPU and a cooler that can actually be used properly instead of being layed on the socket.
@@philscomputerlab yeah I have a temporary E5 2603 and it supports ECC but my board is super picky when it comes to memory. I got 32 gigabytes of ddr3 that was registered and even one stick wouldn't stop the speaker from cussing me out. If I put a working stick of normal memory in the black slots which you're supposed to use blue first, the board would greet me with the beautiful 3 beeps.
PhilsComputerLab, did all your USB ports work fine? In mine, the front USB connector doe not work with USB 3.0. Only 2.0. Another doubt, the quad channel vs dual channel: how much performance improvement we can dig? I ask because some of the Chinese motherboards only offer dual channel in this platform. Thanks for your video, nice as always.
If you have a compatible CPU and use 1866 dual channel RAM, performance is fine. But if you have only 1333 RAM, then quad channel helps a lot! I didn't encounter issues with USB 3, but only used the board brief time.
@phil There's a dual x99 motherboard + 32GB DDR4 combo right now for £137 on Aliexpress. It supports V3 and V4 Xeons and has 8 RAM slots. Looks like a winner. Maybe review that one too? :)
If you look at benchmarks a quick 'fag packet' calc shows the 2650 v2 is roughly... 85-95% of a ryzen 3600 multicore. 55% of a ryzen 3600 single core. 55% of a ryzen 3600 quad core. So for the same cost as a ryzen 3600 cpu (ONLY!) you can getting a cpu/mobo/32gb ram combo with similar multicore perf but while sacrificing single core. Noting that at these prices a 'reasonable' gaming PC could be put together for sub £300($390) that also has some strength in multicore workloads (eg encoding, compiling etc) all with the added bonus of ECC ram. Also noting that there are some upgrade options in terms of CPU but they are currently too expensive to be price efficient.
It's still on the way to me. It takes around a month or so to arrive. The B450 board I ordered got a BIOS update for Ryzen 3000 series, so that's pretty nice.
@@TheRicout Colorful is one of the bigger name Chinese brands so I expect them to be on the better end. Vs standard western brand names.. unsure judge by price :-)
For the Bios open the Bigger BIOS file in a hex editor, and see if the bios files beginning or end is filled in with F's or 0's, and just delete those.
There's a mini-itx x79 mb from Atermiter with 4 dimm slots surprisingly. It'll run you about 50 USD which seems absurd for what it is. Any plans to take a look at it?
@@insidechips3215 Interesting. Well it's cheap enough, so I ordered it. I do fear that it will only be dual channel memory, but still, might be good value and worth reviewing.
As someone who just moved away from these unbranded mobo's and xeons, no upgrade path with these, spend the few extra bucks and go Ryzen AM4 or intel's 1151. I gave my wife the 1680v2, sold her 1650v2 and built a 2700x on a B450 mobo, it's a noticeable improvement. Update: I had a 2690 and ecc ddr3 laying around so I thought I'd try an unbranded mobo from Aliexpress, it has a Q67 chipset and doesn't come with drivers. Along with being a pain to install Win10, it doesn't ID my ram in the speed tab of cpuz and it runs horribly slow. Wasted money on that mobo, glad for the ryzen release. Unbranded mobo's are not a good investment.
Phil, really nice and succinct review. Next time you speak with the sellers, ask them if the manufacturer has any plans to support "bifurcation" on the lower x16 PCIe 3.0 slot, e.g. to support a "4x4" add-in card like the ASRock Ultra Quad M.2 AIC (there are others like this ASRock version). Given the x16 slot layout, one could still have a double-wide GPU in the upper x16 slot, and an ASRock Ultra Quad M.2 AIC with 4 x NVMe M.2 SSDs in the lower x16 slot! www.asrock.com/mb/spec/product.asp?Model=ULTRA%20QUAD%20M.2%20CARD
Then, it would be a snap to add a 6G 2.5" SSD to the 6G SATA port, and use the other 3G SATA ports for high-capacity HDDs e.g. 10-12TB. With our workstations and backup storage servers, we now install at least 2 copies of the OS, so we can easily boot from the backup OS, which helps drive image restores to run very fast. Partition Wizard now supports "Migrate OS" which has worked very well for us, to date. Many thanks, and keep up the good work!
You mean support cards that are 16x physically, but 4x wired? If that's what you're after, check my recent review on Plex HD Turbo board. It's exactly like that, but this one can OC, but has other quirks.
@@philscomputerlab Do a quick search of the Internet for "ASRock Ultra Quad M.2". The ASRock website has a detailed product page. The "4x4" nomenclature means that a single AIC has a single x16 edge connector and 4 x M.2 slots, which appear to the system as four NVMe M.2 SSDs. This requires a BIOS/UEFI feature called "bifurcation". Without that feature, the x16 slot will probably recognize only one x4 M.2 SSD: www.asrock.com/mb/spec/product.asp?Model=ULTRA%20QUAD%20M.2%20CARD www.asrock.com/mb/features/Ultra-Quad-M2-Card07.jpg
Can you ever do a gaming test between a Pentium D vs single core Athlon 64 FX-57? If memory serves me correct the Athlon 64 FX-57 was a much faster gaming chip when compared to the Pentium D. I wonder if today if the Pentium D with its additional core would be faster in games today.
Damn no oc. But very nice quality board. We got find a X58 lowest cost that can OC. When some of my machines sells i can order more. You should ask them if they have such a thing. How much is this board itself?
I built an entire PC with 240$ with the following specs: Xeon E5-2630 V2 + 16 GB RAM (4x4GB) + 240 GB SSD + Radeon R7 265. But this one should be better :)
@@mr.br4dga279 You are welcome :) Here are the rezults: Cinebench R15 > 102 (single) / 767 (multi); Cinebench R20 > 221 (single) / 1635 (multi). About 2630v2 vs 2640 > I think all depends on price. 2630 v2 has +100 MHz speed (base/boost); has higher memory bandwith; support faster memory and has lower TDP. But some of these you will not notice. This is why all depends on price: if the difference is up to 4-5$ > maybe it worth a look, but if the difference is higher than 5$ > then 2640 is definitely a better option. Good luck.
An interesting addendum to this video might be to get an aliexpress capture card. Cards by Y&H are interesting. They come with different brand names, too.
@@lucasance6076 Microcentre, few outlets the price may vary u can do a pcpartpicker search.. U can try thru bestbuy fr a price match. Or simply wait u can get a combo off aliexpress tho prices may vary by 20$
I really liked this package until the part about sleeping not working. I was planning to build a wooden case for it. Maybe I will build an AMD System with the latest motherboard; the excellent value Tai Chi, and use a gen 1 or 2 CPU to save money for now.
Great Video Phil. That board looks like the best of the Chinese 2011 boards. As far as performance goes the CPU is close to the R5 1600. Here in the US the R5 1600 $100, B350/B450 mobo $60, 32GB DDR4 3200 $120. Cutting the memory down to 16GB it comes in around the same price. Long term that’s a better option. I feel these Chinese boards and Xeon CPUs need to be a little cheaper. $100-$140 for this kit would make it an amazing deal in my opinion.
The Good Old Gamer aye cool to see u here bro :)
The Good Old Gamer also if you live near a Microcenter you can get the R5 1600 for $80 and a mobo for $65-30(when buying the cpu) and tbh ive seen 16gb kits @3200mhz go for 49.99 so that’s definitely a great deal especially for two kits! Gonna be interesting to see when they start bring the prices for the 2600 down!
Yea it's the Russians that buy all these Xeon parts! Have a look at the feedback, it's mostly Russians and there are heaps of channels doing videos on these parts :D Ryzen not so much, seems this is "our" budget platform. I got my 1600X from AliExpress today, paired with a RX 470 (Also from AliExpress, was a 470D which I flashed the BIOS) and it's a great little machine. I have a dedicated Ryzen test corner now and played a bit of Crysis. Still drops below 60 FPS :( That game is so pporly optimized. I guess in a few years I will have a Ryzen 3600 :P
For anyone who already has the ram this deal is available on Amazon for 140.00 This is a steal at this price for my kiddo's Fortnite streaming PC. Plus with Amazon returns are super easy if there is an issue with either. Nice to see your support here Chris 👍👍 I'm loving both your channels atm!!!
@@philscomputerlab is there a official website for drivers and software for the motherboard? I m looking for a fan control software because after I used sdi to find the missing drivers all my fans are now running full speed and now my PC sound like a jet engine
I never turn my motherboard beeper off. It's the first line of defense against a boot fail.
or if you fuck up a ram overclock and it cant boot
I've never turned a beeper on. It doesn't defend you against anything. The beeper can't tell you anything more than what you can figure out yourself.
@@ivanpopov8203 You've obviously never paired a bad gpu with a bad ram stick or any other part that's dodgy. Beep codes tell me everything I need to know.
lol
@@retropcscotland4645 my mobo has a led display for that
I bought the same bundle but with 16gb ram, and a rx 580 8gb. I am waiting it for assembly. It will be a monster!
~190€ for a 'second' pc doing ur hard work on the backround.. is a very good deal. Nice content phil, keep up
For reference, this CPU falls between the 2400G and the R5 1600.
@@SDPosse619 What's the budget tho? I built mine for 450 euros, it has 2 8c/16t xeon's and 64gb ram tho.
@@SDPosse619 That's not going to cut it. You need more budget. That will barely cover the cost of the capture card. What are the specs of your gaming pc? I'd not go for anything below a 7 1700 with 8GB ram.
@@SDPosse619 get a optiplex and a rx570 or rx580 u r good to go
@@sulaiman9766 I agree with you... optiplex and RX580 many of the guys recommended it.. and upgrade your RAM as well if you have any extra CASH.
@@goodservant8493 Don't ignore the SSD for the OS.
I see the Blender benchmark went quite well. Glad i was able to point that out to you. This made my day.
Finally, benchmark for content creators. Thanks as always for the great video, now i can compare to other processors. Its a shame that it doesnt have integrated graphics. Intel hd is great for faster encoding cause quicksync but i cant argue more. Looking forward for the next video.
intel should release like a pcie 4x quicksynq/video adapter card or whatever
would dependently buy one for steaming or video encoding
you can stilll us quicksync,im running a e5 1603 on my asus rampage iv extreme and i used quicksync yesterday
@@kwooook ehhhhhh are you sure
the e5 1603 dosnt support quicksync according to intel
@@kwooook the option may be available but its not gonna do anything because your processor doesnt support quicksync
@@dzulfikar1572 intel QSV is intel quick sync right? because i just went ahead and did another one just for show and it worked
Would love to see a optimised freebsd/freenas build with one of these! Maybe you or CraftComputing can do one?
that would be awesome
For the right price yes its viable but with Ryzen 1 and 2 series prices where they are it is a tougher sell!
True, used Ryzen is killing a lot of the markets for this.
Really been enjoying what you've been doing lately. Yeah, a person might not want to build this platform from scratch but it shows that if you have some ddr 3 laying around and an old Xeon happens to fall in your lap, you can have a good running build.
Also, do you know of any of these boards have overclocking capabilities?
That's a very nice bundle to game with it, stream and do a lot of things for a bunch of years for that low price. The only bad thing is the overclocking possibility is null, so it makes impossible to bring the full potential of these processors.
G'day Phil.
Your findings very much closely match mine. After our last very short exchange in the comments section I ended up doing a stream test with Dirt Rally.
My system is a Intel Xeon E5-2687W on a Gigabyte X79 UD3 with 16GB of 2133Mhz RAM. So my CPU is a Sandy Bridge-E model and has a worse IPC than the CPU you're using. Despite my system turboing to 3.2ghz constantly my benchmark scores are pretty much bang on with what you're getting awhile using a whole lot more power. But that's the price to pay I guess, This CPU was the highest performing Xeon I could get that is officially supported by my main board which does everything it should do including sleep so I'm pretty happy with the compromise.
The end result was, I can video edit on this thing and I have, live stream using software encoding without dropping frames or maxing the CPU out (in Dirt Rally) the results I'm pretty happy with.
I know people are screaming, but 1st gen Ryzen destroys all, if you're like me you tried looking and at the time of looking which is just after the release of Zen 2 there is still no readily available Ryzen bargains out there. People are still happy with their first gen Ryzen 5 and 7 CPU's and are just keeping them.
I know being realistic, our performance is somewhere between a Ryzen 5 1600 and a Ryzen 7 1700 and I'm ok with that.
At the end of the day I stand by a statement that I may or may not have made publically on here and that is we do not need the latest and greatest gear to having a great computing experience. My PC combined with a Geforce GTX1080 means I have a consistantly fluid gaming experience and content creation is a pleasure. I know I could do better but there is the whole thing about dollars spent vs deminishing returns. It's easy to spend heaps and the benchmarks say yeah it's faster but in the real world I couldn't tell the difference.
Now having said that.
I also tested my Xeon W3680 on a Gigabyte X58A UD7 mobo with 12GB of RAM. I was NOT able to live stream Dirt Rally at 1080P using software encoding as the CPU maxed out. When I switched back over to using the AMD encoder everything was fine and it's still fantastic as a gaming PC for the most part but I can absolutely feel it's limitations when pushed. As far as productivity goes, if I had to I could still live with that PC as my main machine without feeling like I was missing out on very much. It still gets the job done.
Well thanks for reading. I wanted to contact you earlier with my findings but I couldn't find any practical way of contacting you.
Thanks for the video Phil. Keep up the great work.
I see a few people in the comments banging on about why would you get one of these over the new Ryzen. I love the Ryzen platform but again from my own experience the platform initially seemed to have some issues with latency even though the system would go hard and perform extremely well in synthetic benchmarks in the real world seemed to be plagued by issues with microstutters and high system latency.
One thing I can confirm is that since I have been using my old Xeons my whole computing experience has been smooth as butter and I'm as happy as a pig in mud. When my finances are better off I wouldn't hesitate to grab myself a Zen 2 setup after it's proven itself in the real world. There are still some question marks raised that need to be resolved.
@@garyhope6577 The new 3000 series are truly great CPU's, but as it was mentioned the cheapest CPU costs as much as this whole combo.
If people decide to go with Ryzen if they pick the cheapest b450 board + a used 1600 + 16GB of 3000MHz(I know that 3200 is the sweet spot, but it's slightly more expensive and I'm trying to make a point) it will cost them more than this combo + really nice cooler.
So essentially the 1600 loses out in my opinion, but now let's talk about future upgrade path. The Ryzen build have a TON of future upgrade path. If you plan on upgrading the 1600 within an year for a let's say 3600 I believe that Ryzen is the right choice, though again let's not forget that for the example we "took" the cheapest b450 board, so it will limit to some extent the 3600(or whatever CPU they upgrade with), but nothing too dramatic considering that there are already videos with a320 boards showing that they are doing just as fine as other boards with these CPU's with the basic settings.
However if you don't plan on upgrading, then I don't see any need to compare them. The cheaper option is the better one in my opinion. If you are going to use it for the next 2-3-4 years(most people would) I don't see why you wouldn't pick the xeons.
By the time you decide that you want to replace the config there will be newer platforms that will probably peform better than the Ryzen CPU's. At that time you can jump on that platform OR you can get a high end Ryzen whole PC(parts) for dirt cheap since as we have seen their prices drop dramatically each year :)
By the time you replace this xeon build the platforms will be using DDR5 RAM, probably PCIe5(or even 6) and probably other new stuff, so the parts for Ryzen and even 8th/9th gen Intel will be a lot cheaper.
It all comes down to few key factors. First and probably most important is where you live. For example where I live in the next 2 weeks I'll probably be able to get a deal on a R5 1600+16GB 3000/3200/3600+a b450m pro4(probably the best budget mobo from the 450) for close to the xeon bundle prices(btw there are R5 1600 for $83.50 on aliexpress). However a lot of places around the world won't see such prices any time soon. Second you need to know whether you will keep this PC for a long time or you plan on upgrading in few months/year.
And probably most important is what you plan on using the PC. If it's for games you need to know what requirements the games you plan on playing have. If they aren't demanding like for example they are eSports titles you can get a Ryzen build going with an R3 1200 or R5 1400 for now and upgrade down the path to a 3600. If you need it for games and work I personally would pick the xeon, especially if you are on a tight budget. 8c/16t and 32GB REG ECC memory will do wonders for work :)
Just built a system I gave away to an elderly friend of mine using this motherboard's little brother, the X79 M2. Its very similar, in an M-ATX format, 2 less memory slots and only one x16 PCI slot. Decent board, got it cheap on AliExpress' mid-year sale. These boards need more attention! They're great for the price and make use of all these old Xeons and DDR3 RAM laying around. I'd love to see if I could stuff an i7 into one of these, since they're only advertised to be compatible with the e5 Xeons.
They do in fact support i7's. I put an i7-3970X in mine and it works flawlessly. The only downside is that it doesn't support intel's turbo boost. My cpu has a baseclock of 3.5ghz but under 100% load it gets to 3.57ghz but it's supposed to turbo to 4ghz. That's the only downside but yeah if you want the higher clockspeed than the xeons, get the i7. I haven't done any benchmarking between the xeon and the i7 but I have a feeling the i7 probably has an advantage over the xeons in gaming if that's your main focus. For example, in his cpu-z benchmark his single core score was 332.6 and the multicore score was 3075 for the xeon. My i7 scored 390.7 single core and the multicore score was 2603. Mind you his cpu has 2 more cores and 4 more threads BUT for gaming, the single core is what matters mostly. Now a 60 point difference in single core won't make that much of a difference in gaming but it's still slightly more performance. So pretty much, get whatever is the better price but the i7 will have better gaming performance while the xeon will have better rendering/editing based off of cpu-z scores.
@@ChfHappySack Good to know! I was thinking of the i7 idea as possible "upgrade" paths, as these are obviously higher-clocked than the Xeons the board is made to support. Thanks for passing along that lovely bit of info! It will probably come in handy later on!
Awesome! Not a bad setup for the money!
Why do people feel the need to down vote such great content?
This interests me too and i'm really surprised how cheap the bundle is.
It's only around 1% of the current votes. You probably have to deal with more loser coworkers than that. When they aren't slumming at work, they're being bitches on youtube.
PhilsComputerLab, thanks for the great video and close ups of the VRM components! Concerning the bios file size @9:45, you may need to use the FPT tool instead of afudos. I had the same problem flashing a Jingsha X79 P3, (which I believe is a newer revision of the same board) and FPT solved it. Obviously, do so with caution.
Seems like a good way to get a decent 8 core 16 thread for an all round system.
I bought the smaller version of this board so looking forward to testing it when it arrives.
I think we do need to be careful though as AMD have some amazing prices CPUs now plus exceptionally well priced mobos, esp the 1600 you did a video on the other day.
They're selling this motherboard on newegg new for $99 but it has a rebrand on it. It's called the Jingshaw X79. It's the one I bought and I'm so happy you made this video because I learned how to turn off the post beep lol.
Nice review, especially streaming and encoding. I've just got a Dell server that's using LGA 2011. So if server fall's out of use at least I have processors ready for future.
The E5 2667v2 would be a better allround option due to the higher clockspeeds :)
Great video Phil. After reading the comments I think the value proposition will really depend on the region, in Russia and Brazil it's a viable option compared to Ryzen since it's much more expensive to go with AMDs platform. Thanks for all the details, cheers from Brazil ;D
Amazing value! The days when you have to pay thousands in order to be a decent producer or gamer are over! Just 5-6 years ago, if you wanted to build such system you would be lucky if you spent a thousand dollars.
Уви, с новия Райзън ситуацията се промени. Дори у нас вече може да се купи R5 2600 за скромните 270 лева! И то чисто нов, с гаранция, възможност за ъпгрейд и без притеснения относно китайски трикове по платформата. Иначе и на мен ми трябва Xeon Е5-1650 v2, който е само малко по-евтин ($120), но без охладител. Единственото предимство на този етап е евтината сървърна памет.
Китайците трябва да бутнат значително цените според мен.
А, да и TDP-то на Райзъна е половината от това на Ксеона.
@@НиколаГеоргиев-ш2б 😃😃😃Сори но понятието "скромно" е идилия. За мен това не са скромни пари. Не защото съм беден а защото съм толкова съобразителен. За мен всеки лев може или да ме навие или да ме откаже. И аз съм фен на AMD и ще си направя билд с Ryzen, но не това е въпросът. За много хора даже и това не е опция.
@@НиколаГеоргиев-ш2б Второ, с наличието на тези системи вече наистина се обезсмисля харченето на сумати пари за Premium компоненти. Думата premium също е илюзия и е само за улавяне на овцете, да се чувстват значими. Аз в момента работя на система за 500 лв (лева, не долара), като тази сума е за всички компоненти включително и кутията за компютъра и подкарвам и най-тежките съществуващи в момента игри на 60fps минимум. Това общо взето обезсмисля всичко останало що се отнася до гейминг. Ако говорим за content creation или сървър, историята е малко по-различна, но не чак толкова.
Но разбира се, хората си искат своето.
Ако се замислим, така или иначе наливането на пари заради някакъв виртуален свят, който ни краде от истинското време, е безумие.
Интересно каква е тази система за 500 лева (със сигурност без монитор)? Все пак последният ми десктоп е с Пентиум 4 :)
Иначе скоро попаднах на оферти за употребявани i5 Haswell системи (и то mini tower, а не SFF) с 500GB HDD, 8 GB DDR3 за около 350 лева. Но +100 лв за ново захранване и +150 за видео карта втора ръка надхвърлят този бюджет.
A little trick I use for noisy piezoelectrics is a tiny piece of electricians tape to cover the hole.
Funny how you made a video on this right after I ordered a jingsha x79, 2650 v2, 32 gb 1866 ram all from aliexpress and a rx 580.
Funny this review pops up - I received two of these boards (by themselves) about three weeks ago. One of them is already in the garbage can, as returning it (customer pays, need tracking #) costs more than the board is worth. So, while a warranty is technically offered, using it (in my case) would cost six dollars more than simply buying another unit.
Also, beware reviews of free samples. The sender is motivated to ensure the unit is tested a little extra-well. If simply buy them, good luck.
Awesome video, as always. Looks like a really good value bundle, especially with the CPU and 32GB RAM. It's definitely interesting to see the sort of reusing/recycling that's being done in China. Have you seen any particular odd motherboards produced as a result?
Hey phil! Just wanted to say that there is a overclocking mother board for the price of a plex hd one its the huananzhi deluxe but i think vrms will be a problem for high overclocks
Yea I don't think I'll buy any more boards...
Damn, my productivity rig nets me over 3 times that cinebench score. I have to agree with The Good Old Gamer, these are just priced a little too high to be worth considering, especially given the lack of upgrade path and modern feature support. Something like an R5 1600 or R7 1700 will perform better (than these Xeons) and leave you with the option to upgrade to a 3000 series Ryzen down the line. Much as I love these old Xeons it just doesn't make sense at these prices anymore. The only benefit is for those living in isolated countries where new tech is either tough to come by or over priced compared to the rest of the world, that is assuming they can get these parts shipped to them.
It is pretty incredible to see these once godlike Xeons being out performed by standard desktop parts. Not that long ago they were more or less double what you could find in the standard consumer space.
Thank you for talking about the inexpensive RGB coooler. You gave me info on it that I've been looking for for months.
LOL What info whas that?
@@philscomputerlab whether or not the RGB lights would work without an RGB controller. Lol
I think this kllisre moterboard is better than the plexhd, i m not a gamer but i think setup can be awesome for a dev machine + casual gaming
Thanks for covering this topic! AFAIK you're the only creator to address it on this platform and that alone deserves recognition. Nonetheless, I must say that streaming doesn't necessarily require a high thread count CPU if you do use NVENC or the AMD hardware encoder and it seems that Intel HD graphics from Haswell and up can help with video rendering tasks besides the CPU cores, so it was particularly interesting that you had precisely a Haswell CPU to assess the performance of this machine, as doesn't only the integrated HD graphics are useful for the evaluated tasks but also the support for AVX 2.0, as current video editing software does make use of it to accelerate the rendering. Best regards!
For those who got it, updating the bios to 1.03 for me improved heterogeneous RAM, much more stable now
are you using kllisre x79?! how long have you been using it and how does it performs. I am about to purchase it and really curious about it
Did you buy it?
I built this one. M.2 NVME drive too. Runs great. Upgrading to Xeon E5-2696V2. Cheap. Yes. Fast as an Intel 9770K that I built for my grandsons.
I see this as a good VM box as well. proxmox, vmware or the like would use this system well.
It would perfect but is it reliable? that's the question
good point. At the moment my VM box is an old duel socket 1u dell server. that is a tank when it comes to reliable but clock speeds are low and only have 16 treads.
That is exactly the motherboard I bought after watching all your vids. It's working great together with a 2689 and quad channel memory (only bought 16gb tho)
2689 is much better for perfomance/price
Hey Phil, when is the retro stuff coming back? It's been a while!
Like I keep saying, make suggestions! I seem to be only getting suggestions for newer stuff, or things that are way off-target.
@@philscomputerlab Build a gaming PC with a single slot dual gpu that is at least 10 years old XD
@@philscomputerlab Make a vid about the VIA C3 Processor and its SlowDown-capabilities.
@Datasoft, Inc. I actually had a go and got frustrated as it wasn't straight forward. I'm quite happy with the Pentium MMX project, that just works and is easy to recommend.
@Ryan Daniels We've covered the ATI Fury MAXX already, it's now a super collectable card though and poor value too :)
I certainly don't mind getting this kind of system as if I would like to do some crazy mods. If I do that on a brand new system, I can possibly void warranties anyway and will be upset if I damage my expensive spanking new build.
great info just what i wanted to know , thanks so much Phil.
Sad i’m looking for an x79 chipset mobo to do some overclocking! Still to this point, no real Ocing chinese AliExpress board! If any of you know some do tell me! Thanks Phil for the content!
The Huananzhi Gaming Deluxe comes with a real x79 chipset(c602 server chipset) but also suffers from the typical chinese vrm which limits overclocking potential.
The clock ceiling for any unlocked CPU on Chinese boards is 4.2 GHz without voltmods and maybe 4.4 GHz with voltmods, doesn't matter if it's the 1620 (4c/8t) or the 1650 (6c/12t). Aside from the previously mentioned HuananZhi Gaming there are the HuananZhi Plus, the PlexHD Turbo (AKA the Kukete X79 Turbo) and the Jingsha X79M (black and red mATX) which have unlocked BIOSes for both RAM and CPU overclocking. Best regards!
Thanks peoples for the answers! I think i’ll just wait and see if i can grab an x79 board in my local second hand market!
These are ivy bridge CPUs/motherboards, in theory these are corebootable because there's no Intel Boot Guard. For mystery chinese boards like this that seems like a godsend... to have an open source BIOS to unlock more features than what's in stock firmware. It would also allow BIOS updates for security and microcode patches too, something these Chinese boards largely seem to lack
Hey Phil. Nice information video. (we do miss some of the retro stuff). 207 USD looks like very good "value" !
But I have to add that for the time being... below 350 USD you should be able to get a new system: Ryzen 5 1600 + B350 mainboard(from a reputable brand!) and 32 GB DDR4-3000 Memory.
I do like the idea of reusing the good old Xeon CPU's. ECC memory... But those chinese weirdo motherboards... I am a bit sceptical about those :)
What retro stuff? I do a get a few comments, but never any specific suggestions, so I listen to the suggestions I do get, which is all on newer stuff :)
Yea I'm waiting for some more Ryzen CPUs to arrive, so I will be checking out more of both platforms.
@@philscomputerlab I do have have challenge for ya Phil,
The ultimate Timemachine PC build.. in modern good looking case...
1. A high-End Windows 98/DOS, Gaming rig.
2. A high-End Windows XP Gaming rig.
2. A Windows 7 daily use rig - all normal daily tasks and able to play League of Legends at minimum 60fps average.
*No Emulation Software allowed!
Must be able to run majority of the popular DOS games. (Doom, Tombraider, Monkey Islan, Wolfenstein)
The biggest Challenge... must be able to play Crysis(in XP) at 1080P@High settings @minimum 30fps average ;)
One thing is to figure out the components. You might need something with AGP and PCI-E. (If you doubt any AGP card is up for the Crysis challenge)
I will give you a little idea to start with:
www.asrock.com/mb/VIA/775Dual-vsta/index.asp.
I will send you an email as well, as I will offer some knowledge if you want a bit help.
This isn't a rant, but I've read all the suggestions and nothing seems to get me excited :( I hope it's just a phase. At the moment the modern stuff just gives me joy and I have a great time in the lab. We will be doing more Thin Clients though, they are good fun and cheap. One project I want to do is a GOG Retro PC with 32 Bit Windows 10 and parts for max compatibility.
From the appearance, it seems to me that this kllisre mobo actually produced by none other but the huananzi company whose also selling these boards as oem under the brand of jingsha, plexhd and other brands..also these mobos usually are using intel's B75 chipset, rather than Intel 's c206 as other branded x79.
SUGGESTION: Smallest system you can build with an universal AGP slot. For people that don't have much space, and keep one pc and swap CPUs and Gpus as they like. (Preferrebly Amd system). Maybe sfx psu, microAtx mobo, ssd. Cheapest possible, available on aliexpress.
Phil if the BIOS file is exactly half the size you may need to append the bios to another copy. This is pretty common practice.
Hmm that sound super sketchy, I've never had to do this, and I've been flashing BIOS files since 486 :D
@@philscomputerlab In theory it should work fine. It is just adding blank or unused data to a functional bios. It's just adding filler. The bios program shouldn't (i guess I'm not guaranteeing anything) even attempt to address the extra space. But I have to admit, I wouldn't be inclined to risk bricking the bios based on theory. In fact I wouldn't custom edit a bios at all. I usually won't update a bios.
@@philscomputerlab It's likely that the vendor opted for a larger EEPROM because it was cheaper or what they had in stock. Why not ask on the russian forum if appending the bios with a second copy will work. There may be an offset to make it read from the correct sector. Mate, I'm over 45 and have been flashing bioses since the mid 80s. This isn't anything particularly new.
Sadly the GPU shortage is the only thing keeping me from building two of these. Even simple VGA cards are impossible to find.
I've always considered the Chinese motherboards, the only thing that can make them a viable thing is to lower the price further.
Many of us already have a ton stuff laying around and cheap ready-made motherboards are a great way to make secondary pc's, like video content capturing ones, spare, nas, servers, media, young son's pc's and many other things.
Great channel! many important information! great job :) best wishes
I have a Xeon Kit too, works very well, good to play, good to work and costs are low.
Here in Brazil i spent R$550,00 (~US$115), Xeon E5-2670 + Kllisre X79M2 + Samsung DDR3 ECC 32GB 1866. It's the best low cost kit.
Hey Phil! One CPU I’ve barely seen any reviews or gaming benchmarks on is the Xeon E5-1603 4 Core | 4 Thread processor. They go for around 18-19$ on AliExpress! It would be very interesting to see how this CPU performs!
I don't see the appeal of that CPU. Only 4 cores and low clock speed, it doesn't do the 2011 platform justice..
@@philscomputerlab Plenty of other Xeon's with MUCH better performance, similar price.
Jesus, this build was as much as my i5 7600 alone. I might just switch to this.
Whether that's wise very much depends on your intended tasks. In many gaming scenarios (especially at 1440p and higher detail) these XEONs work surprisingly well, but in some games - especially at 1080p - the lower clock/IPC can hold things back, but it's not as bad as many might assume. If one is content with 1080p/60 then the value is significant. IIRC games like the Assassin's Creed series, SotTR and GTA V benefit from good IPC & clock, but even so the performance is still decent, often because there are so many cores. If one is very fussy about 1%/.1% lows though then at 1080p one is probably better off with a modern high-IPC/clock CPU, including a midrange Zen2.
Do also bare in mind the other factors mentioned - warranty, upgrade path, mbd features, etc. Steve at HU criticised these and in many ways he's right, though he did only test a very low-end board so his experience was poor (my slightly more costly Huananzhi X9D has been running fine). Nevertheless, I've been very surprised at how close the lowly 2420 v2 comes to my 5GHz 2700K in many cases for gaming (I'll test with a 6c Intel later, I have a 4960X, which will ensure the PCIe is 3.0 aswell), though beyond the 2430 v2 the value angle does basically vanish for S1356 (S2011 makes more sense), but at some point one will cross over into used 1st-gen/2nd-gen Ryzens and B450 boards, then it gets interesting.
My S1356 build btw cost 125 UKP total (about $160 US), fitted with 16GB/1600 RAM and a 6 heatpipe 92mm cooler. I won a high quality 575W PSU for 26 UKP total, under load the setup is basically silent since the 2420 v2 uses so little power.
One last point: depending on where you live and Ali shipping policy, you may have to pay import fees. Almost all of my parts were ok, but I did pay 11 UKP duty on a dual-S2011 board I bought, namely this one:
www.aliexpress.com/item/33020757992.html
The Debug header is for flashing the BIOS with an SPI programmer. All MSI boards have it, and most Asus boards without a removable BIOS chip also have it.
Also, here's an idea for your future videos: modding a cheap B150/B250 LGA-1151 board to run 8/9th-gen CPUs, e.g., i5-9400F and Xeon E-2176G. Since the boards are so cheap from China, and there are plenty of used and ES CPUs available for the socket, it can be a great modern budget option, especially for gaming.
I'm currently using a Xeon E-2126G (6C/6T, 3.3~4.5 GHz, 4.1 GHz all-core) with a modded MSI Z170A-S02 board running Z370A-SLI BIOS, and everything I tested works fine: all slots and connectors, audio and LAN, EIST/turbo, RAM speed/timings, and sleep mode. It scores around 515/2880 in CPU-Z and 190/1050 in Cinebench R15.
Nice, I have such programmer. Got to look into it.
Very tempting. But not quite as tempting as the $120 2600 with a b450m mobo for $170 at micro center. The DDR3 memory and slow single threaded performance just aren't good enough in my opinion.
@Eduard Berisa Thanks, but no thanks, I'll stick to the newer socket with much better upgrades.
@Eduard Berisa Unfortunately, my 4 channel unbranded mobo is running dual channel, and can't seem to see the information on the 4 hynix ecc, reg. ddr3 1333 ram modules. I tried one of those $60 mobo's with a Q67 chipset and no drivers disk. Not to happy about it.
I still think it makes a nice cheap gaming rig or a dedicated gaming server.
In theory this should perform between the Ryzen 5 2600 and the 5 1600x. Can you please make a comparison of the performance per dollar and performance per watt between these three options?
I''m planning to order this bundle for my side xeon build!
I have this exact combo orderd
Do all the Mobo's you use have to green? Cause that's what I'm starting to think lol. Great vid
You can pick up a R5 1600 from aliexpess for $82. Get a local b350 board for $50/60 and 16GB DDr4 2400 mem for $65ish 9spemnd a little more for 3000/3200, for a little over $200 with a cooler as well. Should be as fast in productivity as the 2650v2 and a bit faster in gaming and have a better upgrade/overclocking path and lower power usage..... downside, you'll have to wait a month to get that cpu LOL. Plus you only get 16GB mem instead of 32GB.
it's the mobo's which let down these great value Xeon's, but if you can get a cheap/good mobo, you're in business
Yea some of these Xeon processors need to drop in price hard to be good value...
I think I will buy this motherboard (and a cooling fan and better power supply) just for a cheap server in the clinic that I am the IT for. This seems like the perfect solution because the current server computer (being used by the secretary who really is the head of the clinic daily) is just so slow. Old Xeon e3-1225, 8gb of ram, slow on the network because all of the other computers are accessing it minute by minute. Gigabit ethernet should be just fine but I think that I will purchase this motherboard, replace the one in the current server computer, perhaps reinstall the windows 10 and start from scratch.
Thank you for all this current help you are giving out to us! An e5 xeon with a cache this big should drastically help anyway. I just hope it can be done with all of this coronavirus between us and China
Really good deal. Nice find!
Still pinching my self on a local deal: ASUS P9X79Pro (box with all accessories, mint) at $20 and an E5-1650V2 for $62. 32GB 1600 DDR3 Fury RAM for $70. All in $152. I do not think I could find an equivalent deal with Ryzen these days. On air, the CPU manages a daily OC to 4.4Ghz at VID of 1.226 V. Temps at high load are in the low to mid 60's at an ambient of 20 degrees C. Full stress test and the cores peak at 74 degrees C.
GPU is a GTX 980. CB R15 multi core is at 1130.
I just picked up a 4x4GB kit of 1600MHz Corsair XMS3 for 30 bucks for my developing build. Sadly while my board supports ECC it doesn't accept registered dimms which is all I could find on eBay. I'm probably gonna just get another 16 gigabytes and ignore maxing out the ram on this board since 64gb is a bit overkill for a budget build. All I need now is a CPU and a cooler that can actually be used properly instead of being layed on the socket.
You also need a Xeon CPU! The i7 for example for LGA 2011, doesn't support REG ECC RAM.
@@philscomputerlab yeah I have a temporary E5 2603 and it supports ECC but my board is super picky when it comes to memory. I got 32 gigabytes of ddr3 that was registered and even one stick wouldn't stop the speaker from cussing me out. If I put a working stick of normal memory in the black slots which you're supposed to use blue first, the board would greet me with the beautiful 3 beeps.
Love your videos, btw, what is the cinebench score with the e5-2630 v2?
Not sure, I haven't done a project with that CPU yet.
PhilsComputerLab, did all your USB ports work fine? In mine, the front USB connector doe not work with USB 3.0. Only 2.0. Another doubt, the quad channel vs dual channel: how much performance improvement we can dig? I ask because some of the Chinese motherboards only offer dual channel in this platform. Thanks for your video, nice as always.
If you have a compatible CPU and use 1866 dual channel RAM, performance is fine. But if you have only 1333 RAM, then quad channel helps a lot! I didn't encounter issues with USB 3, but only used the board brief time.
Would love to see a comparison between this system and a secondhand Ryzen 1700 in terms of performance and cost
I'm planning a Xeon vs Ryzen shootout, so stay tuned for that.
7:26 RGB Type-A in case no one else has pointed it out already. Nice bundle for $200.
I'll look into that, I don't have much experience with RGB stuff :D
@phil There's a dual x99 motherboard + 32GB DDR4 combo right now for £137 on Aliexpress. It supports V3 and V4 Xeons and has 8 RAM slots. Looks like a winner. Maybe review that one too? :)
I might contact a few sellers and see what can be done...
@@philscomputerlab It would be cool. X99 supports two generations of Xeons, meaning it's a great way of futureproofing your workstation :)
If you look at benchmarks a quick 'fag packet' calc shows the 2650 v2 is roughly...
85-95% of a ryzen 3600 multicore.
55% of a ryzen 3600 single core.
55% of a ryzen 3600 quad core.
So for the same cost as a ryzen 3600 cpu (ONLY!) you can getting a cpu/mobo/32gb ram combo with similar multicore perf but while sacrificing single core.
Noting that at these prices a 'reasonable' gaming PC could be put together for sub £300($390) that also has some strength in multicore workloads (eg encoding, compiling etc) all with the added bonus of ECC ram.
Also noting that there are some upgrade options in terms of CPU but they are currently too expensive to be price efficient.
True. Funny thing is they(Kllisre) have the same bundle with an e5 2689 that's better than the 2650v2 yet the bundle is few bucks cheaper :)
Amazing video. Thanks!
Very, nice video, in response to user feedback.
the three pins header are for USB interface :D you get the drivers for it to be controlled on what colours you want :)
Oh really? Do you have more information? I want to check that out.
Thank you for the video, your content is amazing. Can you recommend me a gaming setup for the same amount of money or less?
Hey Phil can you please test the Goldenfir nvme ssds? they are much like the crucial nvme´s well they both have micron nand chips
I have plan to order this processor
Great videos keep em coming with these pack - what about maxing the cpu for this motherboard?? that would be great to see :)
great work
Hi good morning Phils, what you have to talk about the colorful AM4 motherboards? are they worth it ? Like the b350/b450 ones,
It's still on the way to me. It takes around a month or so to arrive. The B450 board I ordered got a BIOS update for Ryzen 3000 series, so that's pretty nice.
@@philscomputerlab nice, then im gonna wait yours to arrive xD please do overclock in then
@@TheRicout Colorful is one of the bigger name Chinese brands so I expect them to be on the better end. Vs standard western brand names.. unsure judge by price :-)
For the Bios open the Bigger BIOS file in a hex editor, and see if the bios files beginning or end is filled in with F's or 0's, and just delete those.
There's a mini-itx x79 mb from Atermiter with 4 dimm slots surprisingly. It'll run you about 50 USD which seems absurd for what it is. Any plans to take a look at it?
Hmm I'll have to take a look. Do you have a link please?
@@philscomputerlab m.aliexpress.com/item/4000168330661.html?pid=808_0000_0231&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.4000168330661&aff_trace_key=1c94f0ad0d7f445da990b8ddd20caa02-1570170222922-07765-lCMUTSXO&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=6114amp-eQbOwJ4DPaFXipjOYz0OCw1570610601762&gclid=null
@@insidechips3215 Interesting. Well it's cheap enough, so I ordered it. I do fear that it will only be dual channel memory, but still, might be good value and worth reviewing.
As someone who just moved away from these unbranded mobo's and xeons, no upgrade path with these, spend the few extra bucks and go Ryzen AM4 or intel's 1151. I gave my wife the 1680v2, sold her 1650v2 and built a 2700x on a B450 mobo, it's a noticeable improvement. Update: I had a 2690 and ecc ddr3 laying around so I thought I'd try an unbranded mobo from Aliexpress, it has a Q67 chipset and doesn't come with drivers. Along with being a pain to install Win10, it doesn't ID my ram in the speed tab of cpuz and it runs horribly slow. Wasted money on that mobo, glad for the ryzen release. Unbranded mobo's are not a good investment.
for you sleep mode issue, try to change S1 mode to S3 in the bios, it's an old option we have on by default, but with chinese stuff, gotta try
E5-2695V2 and or E5-2697V2 would be interesting. 12 cores 30mb cache.
The giveaway about the real chipset on the board is 1 SATA3 port.
It means this is B75 chipset that recycled for 2011.
I have the same board in my second pc for work, it`s died in couple of month of usage. Doesn't recommend to buy it to any one
Phil, really nice and succinct review. Next time you speak with the sellers, ask them if the manufacturer has any plans to support "bifurcation" on the lower x16 PCIe 3.0 slot, e.g. to support a "4x4" add-in card like the ASRock Ultra Quad M.2 AIC (there are others like this ASRock version). Given the x16 slot layout, one could still have a double-wide GPU in the upper x16 slot, and an ASRock Ultra Quad M.2 AIC with 4 x NVMe M.2 SSDs in the lower x16 slot!
www.asrock.com/mb/spec/product.asp?Model=ULTRA%20QUAD%20M.2%20CARD
Then, it would be a snap to add a 6G 2.5" SSD to the 6G SATA port, and use the other 3G SATA ports for high-capacity HDDs e.g. 10-12TB. With our workstations and backup storage servers, we now install at least 2 copies of the OS, so we can easily boot from the backup OS, which helps drive image restores to run very fast. Partition Wizard now supports "Migrate OS" which has worked very well for us, to date. Many thanks, and keep up the good work!
You mean support cards that are 16x physically, but 4x wired? If that's what you're after, check my recent review on Plex HD Turbo board. It's exactly like that, but this one can OC, but has other quirks.
@@philscomputerlab Do a quick search of the Internet for "ASRock Ultra Quad M.2". The ASRock website has a detailed product page. The "4x4" nomenclature means that a single AIC has a single x16 edge connector and 4 x M.2 slots, which appear to the system as four NVMe M.2 SSDs. This requires a BIOS/UEFI feature called "bifurcation". Without that feature, the x16 slot will probably recognize only one x4 M.2 SSD:
www.asrock.com/mb/spec/product.asp?Model=ULTRA%20QUAD%20M.2%20CARD
www.asrock.com/mb/features/Ultra-Quad-M2-Card07.jpg
Can you ever do a gaming test between a Pentium D vs single core Athlon 64 FX-57? If memory serves me correct the Athlon 64 FX-57 was a much faster gaming chip when compared to the Pentium D. I wonder if today if the Pentium D with its additional core would be faster in games today.
These expensive xeons are not worth it now considering used ryzen CPU's are now available at Ali express.
Only cheap xeons can be considered now.
Would have loved to have it in a laptop formfactor :)
Damn no oc. But very nice quality board.
We got find a X58 lowest cost that can OC.
When some of my machines sells i can order more.
You should ask them if they have such a thing.
How much is this board itself?
I built an entire PC with 240$ with the following specs: Xeon E5-2630 V2 + 16 GB RAM (4x4GB) + 240 GB SSD + Radeon R7 265. But this one should be better :)
What cinabench score can you get with your e5 2630 v2 ? And do you think it is worth it over the e5 2640 ?
@@mr.br4dga279 will check and will tell you :)
@@Alexeic87 Thank you I appreciate it
@@mr.br4dga279 You are welcome :) Here are the rezults: Cinebench R15 > 102 (single) / 767 (multi); Cinebench R20 > 221 (single) / 1635 (multi). About 2630v2 vs 2640 > I think all depends on price. 2630 v2 has +100 MHz speed (base/boost); has higher memory bandwith; support faster memory and has lower TDP. But some of these you will not notice. This is why all depends on price: if the difference is up to 4-5$ > maybe it worth a look, but if the difference is higher than 5$ > then 2640 is definitely a better option. Good luck.
Thanks for video
Build the ultimate retro gaming PC which looks as modern as possible, that would be gr8 ;)
How good are these builds after a year.kindly teply
An interesting addendum to this video might be to get an aliexpress capture card. Cards by Y&H are interesting. They come with different brand names, too.
Yea that could be fun. I'll look into it.
Can i use regular(unbuffered)ram on this build?
U can buy a ryzen r1600 with basic b450 mobo with 16gb ram fr around 230$ or less
I can get a Ryzen 2600 for 115 EUR! The prices of those Xeons should go down quite a bit.
if you live near a micro center you can get b450 mobo, 16gb of ram and a 1600 for $150 rn
where ?
@@lucasance6076
Microcentre, few outlets the price may vary u can do a pcpartpicker search.. U can try thru bestbuy fr a price match. Or simply wait u can get a combo off aliexpress tho prices may vary by 20$
@@saikirankhanna5072 thanks for the reply, those prices are really going down lately
Integrated graphics would be disadvantageous for content creation anyway. Modern video editing and video capture software makes use of the GPU.
I am going to start rendering. Should I go with this bundle. I might not play many games
I really liked this package until the part about sleeping not working. I was planning to build a wooden case for it. Maybe I will build an AMD System with the latest motherboard; the excellent value Tai Chi, and use a gen 1 or 2 CPU to save money for now.
What's your dream XP build? You should make it if possible and run some games in there