@@philscomputerlab never knew they matched Asus and Gigabyte, then again I don't have a surplus of motherboards for review lol. That's a decent system, might consider building one for a younger relative since he's becoming a teenager now. How long was the shipping?
I love these random AliExpress bundle videos. It's really nice to know which ones are worth picking up... I'm always building systems for people who have little to no budget so these reviews are invaluable :) Thanks, Phil!
Nice video and thank you for linking my tutorial! One thing about this particular X99Z V102 motherboard: with the stock BIOS, the clear CMOS jumper does not work, and if you screw up the BIOS settings the motherboard bricks itself.
Fortunately I've been able to acquire modern hardware so things work for the most part. But I gotta say, I truly miss the thrill of making a several gens older system shine and kick ass in the modern days. I've always loved the 775/771 platform. Maybe I'll get back to that later this year.
To show how powerful the Xeon processors are I have an X79 motherboard I bought after watching your channel and I got a 10 core E5-2658 v2 with a single core turbo speed of 3Ghz and a base speed of 2.4Ghz. Thing is you almost never get 3Ghz so I just went to the BIOS and set it to single core and rebooted, and right enough I got 3Ghz, I then got side tracked and forgot it was running on 1 core, and TBH I'm hard pressed to spot the difference, I am only running Chrome, but it's still able to open numerous tabs and play 1080P youtube videos, saying that Chrome is pretty resource intensify these days. But I could see myself getting an X99 system, I have been really pleased with my X79 one, and it's mad to be able to get a 10 core 3Ghz processor that was nearly $2000 a few years back for £70, the V3 processors are going to be a bit more pricey, but give it a couple of years and they will go down, anyway great Video like usual Phil, thanks.
@Ben T. A full package (CPU, Motherboard, 32GB REEC) for $249. delivered ::::: HUANANZHI X99 X99-TF motherboard set with Xeon E5 2678 V3 LGA2011-3 + 4pcs 8GB = 32GB PC3 12800R RAM 1600MHz DDR3 ECC REG memory. Great deal IMO!!!! www.aliexpress.com/item/4000859635998.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1e7574fb2zXYuR&algo_pvid=d8ed1de5-3a21-4467-8542-2a34ddf7fc78&algo_expid=d8ed1de5-3a21-4467-8542-2a34ddf7fc78-2&btsid=0ab50a5715951277212464612ef542&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_ I am running E5-2678V3 with all 12 Cores/24 Threads at 3.2GHz. CPU cost me $101 at the time. I spent $99 for the HuananZhi X99TF. I also spent $120 +$30 shipping on eBay (Bid, 2 months ago) for 4 x 8GB of Mushkin Redline DDR3 1833 non EEC RAM. If I had to do it again, I would go for the package deal and save $100. Nevertheless, this platform is a BEAST for the money. CB R15 all core score = 1830. Amazed how cool this rig runs compared to my X79 (ASUS P9X79 Pro) E5-1680V2 (4.2 Ghz all core) daily driver. I only spent $28 for a 6 pipe SnowMan dual/120mm RGB fan CPU cooler for this E5-2678V3. Works like a charm. VRM's are also cool; then again, the VRM has a dual min-fan active cooler on the X99TF motherboard.
@Ben T. I know, they are such good value, £70 was probably quite high, as you can get really good processors for a lot less but I was looking for a sweet spot of cores and speed, I have my old GTX 970 in it it.
cryengine games are usually shitty and has lots of frametime issue, even crysis 3 today doesn't run amazing on some high end ryzen and intel cpu, welcome to the jungle can destroy any 4 core even tho 2013 was still 4 core era, even some 4 core 8 thread cpu struggle to give better frametime,kingdom come deliverance is the best example you need idk may be 10ghz cpu to get stable fps cause at 1080p no matter which cpu you use you cant get rid off stutters and odd framespike
Not entirely true, Crysis was released back in 2007. By then Netburst was seen as a failure and the first consumer dual core processors had been on the market for more than two years. So the writing was on the wall, more threads was the way to go.
Hey phil thanks for all the info about the e5 1650 v2 and x79 combo, my b365m gigabyte motherboard refused to boot into m.2 or any sata drives today, so I was forced to use the x79/1650v2, and with your tutorial, I managed to overclocked it to a stable all core 4.1ghz, and memory at 1866mhz.
with Haswell / v3 Xeons you can also usually undervolt, from XTU to get much better efficiency, very good to reduce stress on VRM , Power Supply and reduce noise and cost of operation
Yay! Been waiting for months on this video, ever since I've noticed¨2011v3 boards coming out. Without the overclock, that CPU is pretty much on par in Cinebench to my 3770k at 4.2GHz, but with overclock it is in a different league. Would love to eventually tinker with it myself. As always, great video.
Loving your Xeon videos Phil. I am currently rocking a E5-2667v2 with 32gb & a Rx570 as my 2nd system, it's a really good and very quiet machine that barely hits 58-60c when I run prime95 for an hour. I will admit I mainly run on my 3700X these days because I like the speed but I appreciate my X79 board for being the old faithful that just gets on with it without complaint
Thanks for the video. It's not a bad combo for the price. Thankfully the TDP on that CPU isn't too high. Since you said the VRM's get pretty toasty with the chip you were using I'd have some concerns if you tried to use that board with a Xeon that had a TDP of 120 watts or higher which most of the 8 and higher core count V3 chips have. Good to know everything on the board worked as advertised!
i keep lovin your content , you are such a help for ppl that always lookin to 'play' around with older xeons. Thank you and keep the fine job young man
Got myself the same kit a while ago, and coming from a i5 2500 and 8Gb DDR3, it's certainly a fairly big jump. Games like the new Assassin's Creeds run pretty decent now, but overall, everything is better.
Always love these particular videos Phil. I actually broke down and bought an X79 board for an E5-1650 CPU I have. Fingers crossed it arrives within a month. Thanks for all the extra information you stick in these videos, it's the small things that matter sometimes. Thumbs up!
I am also running a Xeon 2678 V3 with 32 GB DDR3-ECC RAM now on an Huananzhi X99-TF and I am so pleased with it that I sold my Ryzen 2600 and B450 Tomahawk. With my Vega 56 I got better performance in the games I care, 3.3 Ghz on 12 Cores, a single-thread speed of a Ryzen 1700 and multi-core speed of a Ryzen 3700X. And that for the money I sold the 2600/B450 combo for. If I take the RAM into account, the value is even better (got it for 45 EUR, 58k writes in AIDA with a latency of about 68,4 ns @ 1866 Mhz, 1.5V and tight timings). :) Too bad that Intel locked down most of its Xeons, overclocking them even beyond the Turbo Boost Unlock would have been a treat.
@@NJ-bh7yk At least in my own game testing (BF1 - FHD, Ultra, with Vega 56 - 133 fps vs 123 fps).) I did also test Company of Heroes 2 which is quite old and doesn't make use of that many cores, it has practically the same performance (even better if I use DXVK which is a Vulkan wrapper which can be used even on Windows). That is with the Turbo Boost Unlock enabled and both systems tweaked for maximum performance (disabled security options incl. spectre/meltdown, mds, high performance mode, tight RAM settings etc.). My Ryzen 2600 was a very bad sample which was unstable above 3.8 Ghz. You can also find some russian videos with benchmarks comparing the 3600, 2600 and Xeon 2678 v3 - the 3600 is quite a bit ahead, especially with the minimums, but the 2600 and 2678 V3 are similar in gaming while the Xeon is miles better in everything which makes good use of many cores. Value wise the Xeon is far better if you can get cheap DDR3-ECC-RAM. There are chinese X99 boards with DDR3 support for around 70 - 95 EUR (I'd recommend to go with the Huananzhi X99-TF, T8 or the Jingsha X99 DDR3 quad channel RAM model).
Have the same setup, but with 4x8GB of Mushkin Redline 1866 non EEC DDR3. In hindsight, I could've saved $100 and gone for the AliEx package deal (total $249 delivered) that includes 4x8GB DDR3 REEC 1600. Mine posts all core just under 3.3 Ghz. I will get around to optimizing the RAM following my successful Turbo unlock (thanks Miyconst!!).
@PhilsComputerLab I'd love to see just the CPU power draw from the 8-pin PCI-E as well as total system draw. Great review overall Phil, keep up the good work.
these X99Z V102 boards have a weak M-Key solders for M.2 SATA and M.2 NVME ports. mine literally fell off hence losing the said slots. although they are legit quad channel boards bios is as basic you can get but workable nonetheless. the USB 3 header is also flimsy. VRM is also toasty for my case
Not really, I got an E5-1650v3 on Aliexpress a few weeks ago, and with the right OC in the BIOS (4.4ghz all cores, 4.2uncore) it has basically equal performance to my 9750h laptop CPU which I undervolted and replaced the thermal paste on. The 1650v3 is basically a 5820k so it's a pretty fair comparison. In 2019 I got the machinist X99 and BIOS-modded it with E5-2620v3 and it was quite a bit slower than 1650v3, more like a 4790k type performance, but with more threads.
@@sersoft_corp but a E5-1650v3 with motherboard and RAM costs around $260-300 That's already Ryzen 5 3600 territory. I would go for a Ryzen over E5-1650v3
@@lisov4575 I already had a mobo and ram though I do regret getting it since LTT put out that video about Frankenstein 9th gen mobile xeon for z170 motherboards, ordered that one too lol
@Nebojša Ivančević It is possible. you may see a slight bottleneck at very high FPS though, I will be upgrading to 3070 for sure, and with my triple 4k displays, if high resolution can also be an issue, I will definitely find out
Even though these boards are new, they are built from repurposed parts. At least the chipset itself, sometimes also other ICs I've heard. You don't have to worry about it though, chips are almost never the thing that break when a computer stops working
Wouter Verbruggen I’ve been using the x79 stuff in my office, 6 PCs used CPUs, ram and various used nvidia 980/970 and amid 280x. I took apart all the GPUs cleaned them and added new paste, and I put in cheap Chinese all in one liquid cooling. No issues, they are absolute champs
I remember x99 and was very tempted to buy (Sandy 2600k owner) The platform was a little too rich for my wallet. Ended up buying a Asus Rog Strix Intel Haswell gaming Laptop instead. It's pretty cool to build a decent performing older system for cheap. My Sandy just got the boot from daily duty to semi retirement. (My Sister needs an upgrade) Thanks for the very detailed and informative presentation Phil!
I bought a similar motherboard, and 32gb DDR4 2400, and will be using my Xeon E5-2660 V3, just waiting on the CPU cooler, will test it and let you know, many thanks for this video I will be using the bios unlocking trick you showed.
With VRM cooling a sunflower style cooler or a downdraft cooler could help with bringing down those VRM temps. Very good performance for a Haswell based Xeon stock and with the Multicore enhancement mod enabled. My 4790K + Asus Z97 Pro board has multicore enhancement feature and it is enabled by default and it does the same thing it boosts all cores to the max turbo boost. Also finally a platform where you could use your RX5700 card it has been a while since you could use that card.
I think you've been very lucky Phil! I've bought two of these in the last three months. One identical to this, although branded Killsre. The First ran unstable under load then died. The second was DOA. Neither seller any help, eventually both agreed returns, which I've had to pay for. Currently waiting on refunds of around £200 😢 plus £40 in return postage and £11 customs which I'll never see again. I think these Xeons are a great proposition for the price, but the boards are an absolute lucky dip! If you can find a used branded X99 board for a reasonable price locally then I would do that and just buy the chip from Ali. Buyer Beware guys.
Least your AliExpress orders come through. I placed an order for a motherboard and cooler back in April and its still not made it to the UK. Stuck on same tracking status now for 2 months and AliExpress say it could take up to 180 days for delivery!! :o
Still run a 4930K here, at 4.5 over all 6/12 (top end, but turbo and scaling is still going too) .... comes out ahead of this Haswell by quite a margin, Ivy-E mind you. Also with native USB 3.0, sata 3, takes a mod to boot from NVME via PCI E adapter card, as the Aurora R4 mobo / platform I use this with doesn't have a slot for that on the board. But it can be done. Good outweighs the bad really to be honest... It's paired with a 2070 at the moment, but has run with a 2070 super and a 2080... able to push them no problem. I find that seeking out specific machines is the way to go... FInd a platform that you like, and seek out the good hardware. I'm sure these boards are good for some folks and all, but you can usually find some decent, desirable, better bios options, etc in previous gen higher end hardware. Usually those xeons do come in cheaper though, usually. Though if you look, you can usually find some kind of good deal on a superior cpu like the 4930k or 4960k... or any k or x series of various worthwhile generation. They do get weak past Haswell though. . . the bang for buck. Of course you can get great performance going quite new and expensive. But getting just as good out of specific, choice hardware of the past... for FAR less money... is always best. I mean, this 4930K will passmark @ 15XXX. . . Why on earth buy something brand new for far more, that plays exactly in the same realm? With the only benefit being a smaller process size, less power usage, and maybe some additional intangible, non beneficial "pros".
the x99 is good but all the neat processors seem to be priced quite a bit higher over the x79 boards. ive also noticed some of the newer x79 boards have solved problems they used to have.
Yes I'm seeing the same. I wish the X79 has a Turbo Boost Hack. My heart still beats for X79 more, the value is just better. And server DDR3 RAM still super cheap. You can a lot of cores for little money, but the low clock speed hurts.
@@philscomputerlab i had a spare e5-2687w that i won in an ebay auction lot and it wasnt until i saw your x79 videos that i gave this platform a try. its 3.1ghz and it turbos to 3.8ghz at 8 cores - 16 threads. it has done tremendously well in my end. Also getting 64gb ddr3 ecc on ebay for super cheap was amazing. there are similar processors that can be netted on aliexpress for 50 dollars or cheaper which is really nice. Since you took the time to read my comment i wanted to say thank you for what you do. the Xeon platform rocks!
still using xeon e5 1650 oc 4ghz, chinese x79 mobo and 16ghz ddr3 1866mhz ecc quad channel in my main pc. btw ddr4 ecc ram is still expensive for x99 platform .
Which is why I went with the HuananZhi X99TF (has 2 x 4 slots, one set for DDR4 OR one set for DDR3). This also requires pairing with a Haswell that supports DDR3 (there are only 5 XEON types to my recollection). I went with the E5-2678V3 (12C/24T), which cost me $101 at the time. With bios hack, I am running cool at 3.2Ghz all core! The E5-2678V3 is practically the same as the E5-2680V3...except that it supports both DDR3 and DDR4. The E5-2678V3 was a special design tailored for one of the major OEMs. I think it was DELL.
@@Minickzky98 I know, not a question to me...but I have run at 4.1Ghz using the all core multiplier settings in the BIOS only...on the HuananZhi X79 Deluxe motherboard...coupled with either the E5-1650V2 (Ivy Bridge) OR the E5-1660 (SandyBridge). It manages fine at 4.1 Ghz, though I did put an extra fan on the VRM heatsink for good measure. I highly recommend to do this on these motherboards when OCing. www.aliexpress.com/item/4001027610342.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3b317f2dyHvWEK&algo_pvid=eb951fad-9e9c-42b1-93ae-e22d1d784e7f&algo_expid=eb951fad-9e9c-42b1-93ae-e22d1d784e7f-0&btsid=0ab6d69515961436084452162e67dc&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
@@jb678901 thanks for giving the link, mate. Highly appreciated. Do i need to install some modded bios on that motherboard in order to overclock or can i easily go to its stock bios to do overclocking?
@@Minickzky98 My stock BIOS is capping at the 4.1Ghz. 41x is the highest all core fixed multiplier setting with either E5-1650, E5-1660, or E5-1650v2. There are Russian BIOS's out there for the brave that can take you to 4.5Ghz...but not my cup of tea.
Just fyi, chokes (inductors) don't really create enough heat to really matter, what heat you're seeing is probably spillover from the vregs located under the heatsink. It's bound to happen with components located so close together. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a sign of poor vreg cooling either. Those things are normally rated to operate at high temperatures.
It's worth noting that Haswell tends to be significantly faster for emulators than prior Intel generations, I think it was due to some of the front-end changes but either way, if you wanna emulate games in Dolphin, yuzu, ryujinx, etc then definitely try to go for Haswell or up.
These Aliexpress bundles are awesome as long as you are not too concern about heat and power. With that price who cares about future upgrade path? You are focusing on the GPU and the CPU / MB / DDR bundle is just to support the GPU anyways.
Consider adding Death Stranding to your benchmarking suite. With DX12 it has shown to scale up the more threads (like 16+) you have, which is rare in a game.
ah yes, the haswell-EP 2011v3 processors. my fav server series :D oh also watchout for 2011 mainboards (most notable with machinist brand) with non erasable cmos as i came across one trying to oc one and i had to flash the motherboard externally when i bricked mines. yikes.
No issue using the Miyconst BIOS Turbo hack on the HuananZhi X99TF. Took me less than 20 minutes to do this for the first time; the tutorial was fantastic and this TH-camr also provides a link to all of the tools; in one ZIP file.
Thanks, just what I've been looking for! I already have X99 with i7 6800K on my main gaming systems which is a bit faster but this upgrade will bring my media / secondary gaming system close to that and I'll be able to use My Oculus Rift S on that system as well now :D I followed your link below; hope you get a commission or something ;)
I know it had an enthusiastic audience on forums, but I felt 5820K was overlooked despite being very arguably the best buy of its time. The major downside was the rough launch of X99, but the processor was still a good buy a year later. It was obvious even then that we'd eventually be moving past 4 cores. Despite being a part from 2014, the 5820K probably has a few years of useful life left. It's like the Secret Sandy Bridge no one talks about. By the time people started figuring it out, Intel had already replaced it with the overpriced 6800K which didn't really perform any better.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 The Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition's from the Skylake 6XXX series were really overpriced, at the time AMD had no counter to it and so Intel could charge what it wanted because the alternatives where either Intel Xeon's or much more expensive IBM POWER/ARM-based CPU's which had limited desktop application support for most lower end workstation user tasks. I know that the Core i7-5820K wasn't the best CPU Intel was offering at the time under the "Core i7" branding, but it was a capable part and I certainly wouldn't leave one sitting idle doing nothing if I had one spare myself..... Saying that I'm guilty of leaving hardware under-valued. I currently have a Dual Intel Xeon X5650 HP Z600 Workstation sitting idle and doing nothing when it could easily be used as a server and dual purpose router..... One of these days I'll put it too good use, one of these days....
These videos are always interesting, but I would absolutely never consider buying PC components from Ali Express. Not in a million years. Phil the gambler, but it seems to work out most of the time.
Very vurious about a 1650 v3 or v4 with the modified bios vs x79 1650v2 with an overclock. Does IPC beat out the potentially higher clock depending which X79 mobo from these chinese mobo manufactures. I've seen 4.1-4.2ghz on some of these x79 boards. Love your content! Keep it up!
In BIOS of the chinese x99 Boards activate: Numa, COD (cluster on die) 10 core and more needed, IOAT. You will get a bump on memory bandwidth and near 25% better L3 Cache Latency.
I recently built my first gaming pc using a chinese x99 board and a 12 core xeon, I paired it with a that 980ti that a friend sold me and I was surprised with the performance!
Hi Phil! Have you got a forum or a Discord or something? I am getting into retro computing for the first time since Windows XP wasn't retro computing, and I have a ton of things that I would love to discuss with like minded people.
This is insanely good value. Those Xeons are super efficient CPUs. Look at the temps even @3.2 GHz during some of the games (with High CPU Load) Did you disable Hyperthreading with FC New Dawn? The "OC" hack is neat. Not really OC. Just kind of a All-core Turbo lock (like MCE on the higher end boards). The Haswell-E is still very power efficient. Actually use the same or less power @3.2 GHz @load vs a Ryzen 5 1600. It does it because of lower Vcore, even though it's 22nm vs R5 1600 14nm. And they have excellent thermal construction. Well made Soldered CPU's. I once did a 5820K @4.0 GHz @aida64 was 48-50c with a 240 AIO. Those "non-brand" motherbords are getting better and better. I like the layut on this particular mATX board. 2x M.2, one PCI-E at a place you can use it with a typical 2-slot graphics card . All SATA ports also well placed. Asus and Gigabyte could learn something. SoMe of their layouts on the cheaper mATX board are bad. Only problem is warranty and the CE/UL aproval these boards likely are missing. I'm sure these are just *as solid as the Cheap "branded" boards (*solid Enough for a casual build). The tower cooler is not the best choice. I would recommend a resonable downfire cooler to cool those (low budget)VRM's and chokes. The CPU temp would still be fine, with a smaller CPU cooler. That bluefan Deepcool looks like a decent choice.
We're starting to see software that requires newer processors. 2 that come to mind are Zoom, which won't do virtual backgrounds without a greenscreen unless you have a newer supported processor, and MS Flight Simulator 2020. That's going to mean living with restrictions if you go with these setups. Might be totally acceptable for some. It's not for me.
Cool that you can get that sort of thing, that processor gets close to my 1800x on cinebench. Do you ever run into problems sliding your vga cards in that test bench? Issus on my DIY project makes the old vgas, with the dvi and vga ports on the top, hit the bar that fastens the expansion cards. In another note I think you should up the dificulty for these processors and run the games at 1440p.
X99 builds they keep intriguing me hehe. Have you ever considered looking into doing a Xeon E3-v3 build? Been looking into such an E3-v3 build, the low power versions, to replace that old Conroe865PE machine. But it seems the market/price is still rther high on those things, not even to mention the i7 version like 4770T.
Hey, to continue the question I had here. Did you perhaps also try to undervolt the cpu using the Intel XTU utility? Read that not every X99 board supports XTU, but it's bit unclear why. There are also some modded bioses (Russian) with preset under volts applied, like -50mv up to -100mv versions (also incl the turbo mod). Also for the X99 v102 you have. On Linux 'intel-undervolt' does the same as XTU. I use it on an 4710HQ (22nm as well) and it lowers temps rather nicely. Had asked about it on Miyconst blog, some users there mentioned they had good undervolt results on higher sku v3 Xeons, but none mentioned what it did for power consumption.
I actually sold this board, but have another one and planning a video. I will test that utility :) I believe it might relate to which chipset they are using.
for a simple gaming computer for old games or most new games its quite ok. The formfactor is small enough to allow a small build aswell. These times i wish i did have the money to buy it :/
Make sure to test without spectre and meltdown patches. These affect Xeon only and really impact 1percent and 0.1 percent. Spectre and meltdown is only an issue if running virtual machines, not a gaming pc.
@@philscomputerlab I ordered a few things from ali before and the average wait is well over 6 weeks, I have a package I ordered 2 years ago that is still being processed.
The platform as a whole is great. The Aliexpress motherboards are the main *potential* weak point. I say potential, but in my case it was actual - my AliExpress X79 board lasted about 6 hours of gentle running time before spontaneous death. Others like Thom Higgins below have experienced similar breakdowns in this class of motherboard. After all, "this seems like unbelievably good value!" does generally come hand-in-hand with certain inverse realities, if you know what I mean. The Xeons and RAM in these bundles are probably fine because, unlike the motherboards, they were completely manufactured by the original high-tier companies (Intel, Samsung, etc). With the motherboards however, lack of consistency and lack of top-tier quality control are the potential pitfalls. To quote one of the AliExpress motherboard pages themselves: "The motherboard chips have difference band chips,because of the different product batches,we will send the goods by random,please refer to the actual product". That is to say, you will *never know* in advance exactly which "batch" of motherboard you will receive - whether it is going to be "the good one like Phil got", or if their next slightly-different batch has started rolling off the assembly line since then, with perhaps it's own unique set of vagaries and, potentially, issues. For myself, I can only say that after the failure of X79 Board Number One, I'm now tossing up whether or not to chance throwing the dice on *another* AliExpress motherboard, or to just sell the now-homeless 12-core Xeon and large chunks of ECC RAM I now have.....
The E5-2678V3 (12C/24T, will TU to 3.2Ghz all cores) is now costing about US$85 on AliEx!!!!! To avoid 0.1% low FPS stuttering in hi 1080P, go with 32GB of RAM. Cheapest RAM config, provided 4 channel capable X99 motherboard, is R-EEC 1333 DDR3 server ram. See Miyconst for RAM configuration comparisons (DDR4 desktop versus DDR3 desktop and server). Bottom line, tight timings tend to perform better than going for more expensive hi frequency RAM with looser timings.
I think Haswell is just too expensive still. I saw that prices have fallen a bit, like the 1230 or 1231 V3 are around 70 dollars compared to like a 100 a year ago, but still, unless you already have a motherboard it makes more sense to go for a 1600AF or other second-hand Ryzens. The cheap DDR3 memory is the only incentive, as the motherboards are not that cheap and are very barebone.
Hello Phil, how would you compare this sort of bundle value and performance to that of second gen Ryzen? Did you disabled Spectre/Meltdown Windows patches that apparently slow down these "old" CPUs? (as told by TechYes city man itself). Thanks for the video!
I didn't disable anything, it's got all the latest updates! I believe performance with the overclock is not far off a stock Ryzen 1600 with average RAM...
Do you think the new instructions on X99 will play a big part in the future? X79 stuff is so cheap now but while the raw CPU power is good, I'm worried about games not supporting it in a few years.
Old xeons: pairs well with high end graphics cards
Most games: runs well
Ubisoft: CPU bottleneck
LOL
ubisoft games is not that optimized well, as they're want high single core performance
SpazJR61 I only get 30-40 FPS on watch dogs 2 on gtx 1060. Cpu at 100 percent usage. #ubishit
@@smashandburnyt6938 what processor?
*BUGSOFT*
Phil is always a bonus when I crave YES Xeon content.
Marco lol you’re just like me, you’re everywhere.
@@smashandburnyt6938 Gotta support the Xeon!
Its an addition we all suffer from!
@@themistoclesnelson2163 im guessing you meant to say "addiction"
Bruh I am laughing
5:25 how come a random AliExpress motherboard can have color indicators for its pins and name brands can't do the same
The pinouts even match Asus and Gigabyte, so I can do it almost blind now :)
@@philscomputerlab never knew they matched Asus and Gigabyte, then again I don't have a surplus of motherboards for review lol.
That's a decent system, might consider building one for a younger relative since he's becoming a teenager now. How long was the shipping?
Um. My x370 asus crosshair 6 has color coded front pannel connectors.. and so did my sabertooth r2.0 for my fx 8350.
@@LadBooboo Around 6 weeks at the moment! I ordered a few parts recently :)
@@philscomputerlab Six weeks sounds alright considering it's AliExpress, thanks
I love these random AliExpress bundle videos. It's really nice to know which ones are worth picking up... I'm always building systems for people who have little to no budget so these reviews are invaluable :) Thanks, Phil!
Glad you like them!
Nice video and thank you for linking my tutorial! One thing about this particular X99Z V102 motherboard: with the stock BIOS, the clear CMOS jumper does not work, and if you screw up the BIOS settings the motherboard bricks itself.
Interesting, that's good to know, thank you!
@Mr Guru nailed it
It's nice that they finally got around to putting SATA3 ports on these boards.
To be fair, X79 does have M.2 NVME and at least one SATA 3 port :)
It's just that Haswell chipsets have those built in
Coincidentally enough, I also bought this motherboard bundle and it comes the day Phil uploaded this video!
Fortunately I've been able to acquire modern hardware so things work for the most part. But I gotta say, I truly miss the thrill of making a several gens older system shine and kick ass in the modern days. I've always loved the 775/771 platform. Maybe I'll get back to that later this year.
I'm with you bro!!
Waiting for another pair of DDR2 2GBX2X1066 HZ.
We'll see, we'll see ☺
I love the AMD Ryzen CPUs, but I always think Xeon sounds more badass.
Ryzeon!
@@dadgamer6717
Razeon Gaming Graphics!!!
@@WellBeSerious12 with rayzeon tracing!
Rise On!!!
To show how powerful the Xeon processors are I have an X79 motherboard I bought after watching your channel and I got a 10 core E5-2658 v2 with a single core turbo speed of 3Ghz and a base speed of 2.4Ghz. Thing is you almost never get 3Ghz so I just went to the BIOS and set it to single core and rebooted, and right enough I got 3Ghz, I then got side tracked and forgot it was running on 1 core, and TBH I'm hard pressed to spot the difference, I am only running Chrome, but it's still able to open numerous tabs and play 1080P youtube videos, saying that Chrome is pretty resource intensify these days. But I could see myself getting an X99 system, I have been really pleased with my X79 one, and it's mad to be able to get a 10 core 3Ghz processor that was nearly $2000 a few years back for £70, the V3 processors are going to be a bit more pricey, but give it a couple of years and they will go down, anyway great Video like usual Phil, thanks.
@Ben T. A full package (CPU, Motherboard, 32GB REEC) for $249. delivered ::::: HUANANZHI X99 X99-TF motherboard set with Xeon E5 2678 V3 LGA2011-3 + 4pcs 8GB = 32GB PC3 12800R RAM 1600MHz DDR3 ECC REG memory. Great deal IMO!!!!
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I am running E5-2678V3 with all 12 Cores/24 Threads at 3.2GHz. CPU cost me $101 at the time. I spent $99 for the HuananZhi X99TF. I also spent $120 +$30 shipping on eBay (Bid, 2 months ago) for 4 x 8GB of Mushkin Redline DDR3 1833 non EEC RAM. If I had to do it again, I would go for the package deal and save $100. Nevertheless, this platform is a BEAST for the money. CB R15 all core score = 1830. Amazed how cool this rig runs compared to my X79 (ASUS P9X79 Pro) E5-1680V2 (4.2 Ghz all core) daily driver. I only spent $28 for a 6 pipe SnowMan dual/120mm RGB fan CPU cooler for this E5-2678V3. Works like a charm. VRM's are also cool; then again, the VRM has a dual min-fan active cooler on the X99TF motherboard.
@Ben T. I know, they are such good value, £70 was probably quite high, as you can get really good processors for a lot less but I was looking for a sweet spot of cores and speed, I have my old GTX 970 in it it.
crysis is not un-optimized, it's just that the devs expected you to have a 7Ghz single core CPU by now.
yeah, that's their mistake
lol
cryengine games are usually shitty and has lots of frametime issue, even crysis 3 today doesn't run amazing on some high end ryzen and intel cpu, welcome to the jungle can destroy any 4 core even tho 2013 was still 4 core era, even some 4 core 8 thread cpu struggle to give better frametime,kingdom come deliverance is the best example you need idk may be 10ghz cpu to get stable fps cause at 1080p no matter which cpu you use you cant get rid off stutters and odd framespike
Well that means it's still not optimized duhhhh...not optimized for current cpu
Not entirely true, Crysis was released back in 2007. By then Netburst was seen as a failure and the first consumer dual core processors had been on the market for more than two years. So the writing was on the wall, more threads was the way to go.
Hey phil thanks for all the info about the e5 1650 v2 and x79 combo, my b365m gigabyte motherboard refused to boot into m.2 or any sata drives today, so I was forced to use the x79/1650v2, and with your tutorial, I managed to overclocked it to a stable all core 4.1ghz, and memory at 1866mhz.
With this I got 234 fps in minecraft medium settings
Love this system! Tell you what I would love to see is some photoshop, GIMP, premiere pro, flowblade, linux mint usage and rendering using this setup!
I also bought this motherboard but chose the E5-4660 16 cores 32 threads and it rocks for many years to come.
with Haswell / v3 Xeons you can also usually undervolt, from XTU to get much better efficiency, very good to reduce stress on VRM , Power Supply and reduce noise and cost of operation
Good tip! I didn't try XTU this time.
Yay! Been waiting for months on this video, ever since I've noticed¨2011v3 boards coming out. Without the overclock, that CPU is pretty much on par in Cinebench to my 3770k at 4.2GHz, but with overclock it is in a different league. Would love to eventually tinker with it myself. As always, great video.
Loving your Xeon videos Phil. I am currently rocking a E5-2667v2 with 32gb & a Rx570 as my 2nd system, it's a really good and very quiet machine that barely hits 58-60c when I run prime95 for an hour. I will admit I mainly run on my 3700X these days because I like the speed but I appreciate my X79 board for being the old faithful that just gets on with it without complaint
Thanks for the video. It's not a bad combo for the price. Thankfully the TDP on that CPU isn't too high. Since you said the VRM's get pretty toasty with the chip you were using I'd have some concerns if you tried to use that board with a Xeon that had a TDP of 120 watts or higher which most of the 8 and higher core count V3 chips have. Good to know everything on the board worked as advertised!
i keep lovin your content , you are such a help for ppl that always lookin to 'play' around with older xeons. Thank you and keep the fine job young man
Yes finally, I've been waiting for a X99 video, I would like to see an affordable double digit core xeon like 14 core or more thanks
Got myself the same kit a while ago, and coming from a i5 2500 and 8Gb DDR3, it's certainly a fairly big jump. Games like the new Assassin's Creeds run pretty decent now, but overall, everything is better.
Always love these particular videos Phil. I actually broke down and bought an X79 board for an E5-1650 CPU I have. Fingers crossed it arrives within a month. Thanks for all the extra information you stick in these videos, it's the small things that matter sometimes. Thumbs up!
I am also running a Xeon 2678 V3 with 32 GB DDR3-ECC RAM now on an Huananzhi X99-TF and I am so pleased with it that I sold my Ryzen 2600 and B450 Tomahawk. With my Vega 56 I got better performance in the games I care, 3.3 Ghz on 12 Cores, a single-thread speed of a Ryzen 1700 and multi-core speed of a Ryzen 3700X. And that for the money I sold the 2600/B450 combo for. If I take the RAM into account, the value is even better (got it for 45 EUR, 58k writes in AIDA with a latency of about 68,4 ns @ 1866 Mhz, 1.5V and tight timings). :)
Too bad that Intel locked down most of its Xeons, overclocking them even beyond the Turbo Boost Unlock would have been a treat.
E5-1650 v3 is unlocked but only a 6 core
@@undertone2472 1660 v3 if you want unlocked 8 core or 1680 v3 if you want unlocked 8 core (but overpriced)
So are you telling me that xeon has better perfomance than ryzen?
@@NJ-bh7yk At least in my own game testing (BF1 - FHD, Ultra, with Vega 56 - 133 fps vs 123 fps).) I did also test Company of Heroes 2 which is quite old and doesn't make use of that many cores, it has practically the same performance (even better if I use DXVK which is a Vulkan wrapper which can be used even on Windows). That is with the Turbo Boost Unlock enabled and both systems tweaked for maximum performance (disabled security options incl. spectre/meltdown, mds, high performance mode, tight RAM settings etc.). My Ryzen 2600 was a very bad sample which was unstable above 3.8 Ghz. You can also find some russian videos with benchmarks comparing the 3600, 2600 and Xeon 2678 v3 - the 3600 is quite a bit ahead, especially with the minimums, but the 2600 and 2678 V3 are similar in gaming while the Xeon is miles better in everything which makes good use of many cores. Value wise the Xeon is far better if you can get cheap DDR3-ECC-RAM. There are chinese X99 boards with DDR3 support for around 70 - 95 EUR (I'd recommend to go with the Huananzhi X99-TF, T8 or the Jingsha X99 DDR3 quad channel RAM model).
Have the same setup, but with 4x8GB of Mushkin Redline 1866 non EEC DDR3. In hindsight, I could've saved $100 and gone for the AliEx package deal (total $249 delivered) that includes 4x8GB DDR3 REEC 1600. Mine posts all core just under 3.3 Ghz. I will get around to optimizing the RAM following my successful Turbo unlock (thanks Miyconst!!).
Really loving your content. Most useful information regarding these boards and Xeon cards especially here in the Philippines !!!
@PhilsComputerLab I'd love to see just the CPU power draw from the 8-pin PCI-E as well as total system draw. Great review overall Phil, keep up the good work.
Excellent video Phil, really appreciate your reviews like this on the price performance tip.
Thanks for watching!
these X99Z V102 boards have a weak M-Key solders for M.2 SATA and M.2 NVME ports. mine literally fell off hence losing the said slots. although they are legit quad channel boards bios is as basic you can get but workable nonetheless. the USB 3 header is also flimsy. VRM is also toasty for my case
Oh no! My I7-5820K is now officially a "vintage" CPU! 😱
Not really, I got an E5-1650v3 on Aliexpress a few weeks ago, and with the right OC in the BIOS (4.4ghz all cores, 4.2uncore) it has basically equal performance to my 9750h laptop CPU which I undervolted and replaced the thermal paste on. The 1650v3 is basically a 5820k so it's a pretty fair comparison. In 2019 I got the machinist X99 and BIOS-modded it with E5-2620v3 and it was quite a bit slower than 1650v3, more like a 4790k type performance, but with more threads.
@@sersoft_corp but a E5-1650v3 with motherboard and RAM costs around $260-300 That's already Ryzen 5 3600 territory. I would go for a Ryzen over E5-1650v3
@@lisov4575 I already had a mobo and ram though I do regret getting it since LTT put out that video about Frankenstein 9th gen mobile xeon for z170 motherboards, ordered that one too lol
@Nebojša Ivančević It is possible. you may see a slight bottleneck at very high FPS though, I will be upgrading to 3070 for sure, and with my triple 4k displays, if high resolution can also be an issue, I will definitely find out
Phil: Crysis is unoptimized
Saints Row 2: Hold my gun
SR2?
More like, Hold my Blow-up Doll.
Even though these boards are new, they are built from repurposed parts. At least the chipset itself, sometimes also other ICs I've heard. You don't have to worry about it though, chips are almost never the thing that break when a computer stops working
Wouter Verbruggen I’ve been using the x79 stuff in my office, 6 PCs used CPUs, ram and various used nvidia 980/970 and amid 280x. I took apart all the GPUs cleaned them and added new paste, and I put in cheap Chinese all in one liquid cooling. No issues, they are absolute champs
I remember x99 and was very tempted to buy (Sandy 2600k owner) The platform was a little too rich for my wallet. Ended up buying a Asus Rog Strix Intel Haswell gaming Laptop instead. It's pretty cool to build a decent performing older system for cheap. My Sandy just got the boot from daily duty to semi retirement. (My Sister needs an upgrade) Thanks for the very detailed and informative presentation Phil!
Phil I have been wait for X99 content thanks!
Finally gaming video with workstation cpu tyyyyyy
I bought a similar motherboard, and 32gb DDR4 2400, and will be using my Xeon E5-2660 V3, just waiting on the CPU cooler, will test it and let you know, many thanks for this video I will be using the bios unlocking trick you showed.
With VRM cooling a sunflower style cooler or a downdraft cooler could help with bringing down those VRM temps. Very good performance for a Haswell based Xeon stock and with the Multicore enhancement mod enabled. My 4790K + Asus Z97 Pro board has multicore enhancement feature and it is enabled by default and it does the same thing it boosts all cores to the max turbo boost. Also finally a platform where you could use your RX5700 card it has been a while since you could use that card.
Nice shout out to Miyconst. He has great content. He needs more subs.
Wolfenstein the new colossus, I got 120 FPS on gtx 1060 ultra settings.
Finished that game, it’s extremely hard
Thanks Philip! Always good info.
Love these videos! More mother board reviews would be nice! I watch miyconst too!
Nice build Phil.
So bundles can be worthwhile. Good to hear.
Please tell us what sellers do you recommend?
Cheers, Mon from Brisbane
Just apply common sense. How long have they been operating? What is the feedback like? Is the description clear?
Oh. Oh no, you're tempting me...
Give in to the Xeon
Not bad, love how its a whole bundle. Great value.
I think you've been very lucky Phil! I've bought two of these in the last three months. One identical to this, although branded Killsre. The First ran unstable under load then died. The second was DOA. Neither seller any help, eventually both agreed returns, which I've had to pay for. Currently waiting on refunds of around £200 😢 plus £40 in return postage and £11 customs which I'll never see again. I think these Xeons are a great proposition for the price, but the boards are an absolute lucky dip! If you can find a used branded X99 board for a reasonable price locally then I would do that and just buy the chip from Ali. Buyer Beware guys.
That's unfortunate, thanks for sharing, and hoping you get your refund in the end!
Im ordering 2620v3 too.
Thanks for making this
No problem 👍
Less than US$200? That's a great bargain!
Pricing depends on the region and what you have available locally. Also factor in shipping costs :)
I heard mixed things about these mobos.
If they work, its great. If it doesnt work, you will hardly get any sort of refund from Aliexpress.
Yay, new Phil content. Yay, new Xeon content. Yay, new chinese budget stuff content. YAY TO ALL.
Thanks man :)
@@philscomputerlab also, congratulations on hitting over 100k subscribers! Haven't noticed before, well deserved my man.
You never fail to entertain me Phil
Least your AliExpress orders come through. I placed an order for a motherboard and cooler back in April and its still not made it to the UK. Stuck on same tracking status now for 2 months and AliExpress say it could take up to 180 days for delivery!! :o
I've a 1366 motherboard with xeon 3690 cpu it flies for a 12 year old board... Them xeons are beasts
I think I'll have 5670 soon to play around with :)
@@philscomputerlab it was very cheap about 40 euro.. Considering the i7 960 it replaced cost me 400 euro in 2009... The xeon our performs it
Still run a 4930K here, at 4.5 over all 6/12 (top end, but turbo and scaling is still going too) .... comes out ahead of this Haswell by quite a margin, Ivy-E mind you. Also with native USB 3.0, sata 3, takes a mod to boot from NVME via PCI E adapter card, as the Aurora R4 mobo / platform I use this with doesn't have a slot for that on the board. But it can be done. Good outweighs the bad really to be honest... It's paired with a 2070 at the moment, but has run with a 2070 super and a 2080... able to push them no problem.
I find that seeking out specific machines is the way to go... FInd a platform that you like, and seek out the good hardware. I'm sure these boards are good for some folks and all, but you can usually find some decent, desirable, better bios options, etc in previous gen higher end hardware. Usually those xeons do come in cheaper though, usually. Though if you look, you can usually find some kind of good deal on a superior cpu like the 4930k or 4960k... or any k or x series of various worthwhile generation. They do get weak past Haswell though. . . the bang for buck. Of course you can get great performance going quite new and expensive. But getting just as good out of specific, choice hardware of the past... for FAR less money... is always best.
I mean, this 4930K will passmark @ 15XXX. . . Why on earth buy something brand new for far more, that plays exactly in the same realm? With the only benefit being a smaller process size, less power usage, and maybe some additional intangible, non beneficial "pros".
Yes, some airflow in special zone is something really important. ☺
the x99 is good but all the neat processors seem to be priced quite a bit higher over the x79 boards. ive also noticed some of the newer x79 boards have solved problems they used to have.
Yes I'm seeing the same. I wish the X79 has a Turbo Boost Hack. My heart still beats for X79 more, the value is just better. And server DDR3 RAM still super cheap. You can a lot of cores for little money, but the low clock speed hurts.
@@philscomputerlab i had a spare e5-2687w that i won in an ebay auction lot and it wasnt until i saw your x79 videos that i gave this platform a try. its 3.1ghz and it turbos to 3.8ghz at 8 cores - 16 threads. it has done tremendously well in my end. Also getting 64gb ddr3 ecc on ebay for super cheap was amazing. there are similar processors that can be netted on aliexpress for 50 dollars or cheaper which is really nice. Since you took the time to read my comment i wanted to say thank you for what you do. the Xeon platform rocks!
still using xeon e5 1650 oc 4ghz, chinese x79 mobo and 16ghz ddr3 1866mhz ecc quad channel in my main pc. btw ddr4 ecc ram is still expensive for x99 platform .
Which is why I went with the HuananZhi X99TF (has 2 x 4 slots, one set for DDR4 OR one set for DDR3). This also requires pairing with a Haswell that supports DDR3 (there are only 5 XEON types to my recollection). I went with the E5-2678V3 (12C/24T), which cost me $101 at the time. With bios hack, I am running cool at 3.2Ghz all core! The E5-2678V3 is practically the same as the E5-2680V3...except that it supports both DDR3 and DDR4. The E5-2678V3 was a special design tailored for one of the major OEMs. I think it was DELL.
Bro, which chinese x79 motherboard did you use to do OC on the xeon e5 1650? Do you have a link?
@@Minickzky98 I know, not a question to me...but I have run at 4.1Ghz using the all core multiplier settings in the BIOS only...on the HuananZhi X79 Deluxe motherboard...coupled with either the E5-1650V2 (Ivy Bridge) OR the E5-1660 (SandyBridge). It manages fine at 4.1 Ghz, though I did put an extra fan on the VRM heatsink for good measure. I highly recommend to do this on these motherboards when OCing.
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@@jb678901 thanks for giving the link, mate. Highly appreciated.
Do i need to install some modded bios on that motherboard in order to overclock or can i easily go to its stock bios to do overclocking?
@@Minickzky98 My stock BIOS is capping at the 4.1Ghz. 41x is the highest all core fixed multiplier setting with either E5-1650, E5-1660, or E5-1650v2. There are Russian BIOS's out there for the brave that can take you to 4.5Ghz...but not my cup of tea.
I bought the X79 from Klissre. I have a 4720k at home, 8gb ram and a gtx 1050ti :)) perfect little gaming machine.
Just fyi, chokes (inductors) don't really create enough heat to really matter, what heat you're seeing is probably spillover from the vregs located under the heatsink. It's bound to happen with components located so close together. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a sign of poor vreg cooling either. Those things are normally rated to operate at high temperatures.
It's worth noting that Haswell tends to be significantly faster for emulators than prior Intel generations, I think it was due to some of the front-end changes but either way, if you wanna emulate games in Dolphin, yuzu, ryujinx, etc then definitely try to go for Haswell or up.
Good to know! I don't use emulators a lot, so that's good information :)
Great video and yup, Ubisoft games always really hammer the CPU. Could you please test how the CEMU emulator runs on a CPU like this.
@Intolerant Renny Why is that relevant? Most Intel CPUs now have VT-x and even VT-d enabled
These Aliexpress bundles are awesome as long as you are not too concern about heat and power. With that price who cares about future upgrade path? You are focusing on the GPU and the CPU / MB / DDR bundle is just to support the GPU anyways.
Hikvision, the Hong Kong security camera company makes SSDs? O_O
they are Hitachi SSDs so pretty decent bunch
I would expect them to make also coffeemakers and t-shirts
Consider adding Death Stranding to your benchmarking suite. With DX12 it has shown to scale up the more threads (like 16+) you have, which is rare in a game.
Awesome video.Love stuff like this
ah yes, the haswell-EP 2011v3 processors. my fav server series :D
oh also watchout for 2011 mainboards (most notable with machinist brand) with non erasable cmos as i came across one trying to oc one and i had to flash the motherboard externally when i bricked mines. yikes.
Thanks for the heads up!
no problem...use a 10$ ch314 usb programmer and flash any rom back!!....you can flash everything with this!
No issue using the Miyconst BIOS Turbo hack on the HuananZhi X99TF. Took me less than 20 minutes to do this for the first time; the tutorial was fantastic and this TH-camr also provides a link to all of the tools; in one ZIP file.
Thanks, just what I've been looking for! I already have X99 with i7 6800K on my main gaming systems which is a bit faster but this upgrade will bring my media / secondary gaming system close to that and I'll be able to use My Oculus Rift S on that system as well now :D I followed your link below; hope you get a commission or something ;)
Hmmm got a 5820K sitting here in my spares pile...
A "Spare" Core i7 5820K!?
Damn, put that thing to work, that's wasted money sitting around doing nothing.
its a good cpu...get a cheap chinese board and use it!
I know it had an enthusiastic audience on forums, but I felt 5820K was overlooked despite being very arguably the best buy of its time. The major downside was the rough launch of X99, but the processor was still a good buy a year later. It was obvious even then that we'd eventually be moving past 4 cores. Despite being a part from 2014, the 5820K probably has a few years of useful life left. It's like the Secret Sandy Bridge no one talks about. By the time people started figuring it out, Intel had already replaced it with the overpriced 6800K which didn't really perform any better.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 The Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition's from the Skylake 6XXX series were really overpriced, at the time AMD had no counter to it and so Intel could charge what it wanted because the alternatives where either Intel Xeon's or much more expensive IBM POWER/ARM-based CPU's which had limited desktop application support for most lower end workstation user tasks.
I know that the Core i7-5820K wasn't the best CPU Intel was offering at the time under the "Core i7" branding, but it was a capable part and I certainly wouldn't leave one sitting idle doing nothing if I had one spare myself.....
Saying that I'm guilty of leaving hardware under-valued. I currently have a Dual Intel Xeon X5650 HP Z600 Workstation sitting idle and doing nothing when it could easily be used as a server and dual purpose router.....
One of these days I'll put it too good use, one of these days....
@@longnamedude3947 I think there are a lot of us that have just too many parts to put to good immediate use. It comes with the territory.
These videos are always interesting, but I would absolutely never consider buying PC components from Ali Express. Not in a million years. Phil the gambler, but it seems to work out most of the time.
Ahhh yes my Friday required viewing while I drink my morning coffee!
Very vurious about a 1650 v3 or v4 with the modified bios vs x79 1650v2 with an overclock. Does IPC beat out the potentially higher clock depending which X79 mobo from these chinese mobo manufactures. I've seen 4.1-4.2ghz on some of these x79 boards. Love your content! Keep it up!
In BIOS of the chinese x99 Boards activate: Numa, COD (cluster on die) 10 core and more needed, IOAT. You will get a bump on memory bandwidth and near 25% better L3 Cache Latency.
This is a great video man! Thanks!
Hey Phil great video as always. Just got this motherboard, and what method did you use to unlock bios on this? Ftp or afuwin?
The process is mentioned in the video :D
LOVE IT PHIL X99 LESGO
Thanks for this phil
Try the e5 2678 v3. Its got 12 cores.
I recently built my first gaming pc using a chinese x99 board and a 12 core xeon, I paired it with a that 980ti that a friend sold me and I was surprised with the performance!
Hell, thx for the video, I want to ask you about Atermiter is it of good quality? is it a good deal MB?
Awesome！ Good present for the bundle.👍👍
Amazing video
Hi Phil! Have you got a forum or a Discord or something? I am getting into retro computing for the first time since Windows XP wasn't retro computing, and I have a ton of things that I would love to discuss with like minded people.
We have a Facebook group, Retro PC Gaming :)
This is insanely good value. Those Xeons are super efficient CPUs. Look at the temps even @3.2 GHz during some of the games (with High CPU Load)
Did you disable Hyperthreading with FC New Dawn?
The "OC" hack is neat. Not really OC. Just kind of a All-core Turbo lock (like MCE on the higher end boards).
The Haswell-E is still very power efficient. Actually use the same or less power @3.2 GHz @load vs a Ryzen 5 1600. It does it because of lower Vcore, even though it's 22nm vs R5 1600 14nm. And they have excellent thermal construction. Well made Soldered CPU's. I once did a 5820K @4.0 GHz @aida64 was 48-50c with a 240 AIO.
Those "non-brand" motherbords are getting better and better. I like the layut on this particular mATX board. 2x M.2, one PCI-E at a place you can use it with a typical 2-slot graphics card . All SATA ports also well placed. Asus and Gigabyte could learn something. SoMe of their layouts on the cheaper mATX board are bad.
Only problem is warranty and the CE/UL aproval these boards likely are missing. I'm sure these are just *as solid as the Cheap "branded" boards (*solid Enough for a casual build).
The tower cooler is not the best choice. I would recommend a resonable downfire cooler to cool those (low budget)VRM's and chokes. The CPU temp would still be fine, with a smaller CPU cooler. That bluefan Deepcool looks like a decent choice.
Hey Phil, thanks for the great content. Do you prefer the 2620v3 over the 1650v2?
Well the 1650V2 is unlocked and should OC to 4 GHz and higher...
2011-3 also supports the four Broadwell-E i7 chips
We're starting to see software that requires newer processors. 2 that come to mind are Zoom, which won't do virtual backgrounds without a greenscreen unless you have a newer supported processor, and MS Flight Simulator 2020. That's going to mean living with restrictions if you go with these setups. Might be totally acceptable for some. It's not for me.
You talked me into it. Just ordered a Mechanist X99 4 channel board from Newegg. How good is the E-5 2678 v3 (2.5Mhz 12 core)?
Nice setup for a great price.
Cool that you can get that sort of thing, that processor gets close to my 1800x on cinebench. Do you ever run into problems sliding your vga cards in that test bench? Issus on my DIY project makes the old vgas, with the dvi and vga ports on the top, hit the bar that fastens the expansion cards. In another note I think you should up the dificulty for these processors and run the games at 1440p.
Yea the bar is quite thin, so with most GPUs it's not an issue!
Yay, quad channel!
X99 builds they keep intriguing me hehe. Have you ever considered looking into doing a Xeon E3-v3 build?
Been looking into such an E3-v3 build, the low power versions, to replace that old Conroe865PE machine. But it seems the market/price is still rther high on those things, not even to mention the i7 version like 4770T.
There are some interesting 8-Core CPUs for this platform, and also unlocked CPUs to explore!
Hey, to continue the question I had here. Did you perhaps also try to undervolt the cpu using the Intel XTU utility?
Read that not every X99 board supports XTU, but it's bit unclear why. There are also some modded bioses (Russian) with preset under volts applied, like -50mv up to -100mv versions (also incl the turbo mod). Also for the X99 v102 you have.
On Linux 'intel-undervolt' does the same as XTU. I use it on an 4710HQ (22nm as well) and it lowers temps rather nicely.
Had asked about it on Miyconst blog, some users there mentioned they had good undervolt results on higher sku v3 Xeons, but none mentioned what it did for power consumption.
I actually sold this board, but have another one and planning a video. I will test that utility :) I believe it might relate to which chipset they are using.
It's philday! Been a while man :) Hope you're well
Thanks for caring :) Yea I do a video every second Friday now, I don't want this to feel like a second job, but an enjoyable hobby :)
i love the v3 platform so much :) i am by no means an intel fan i actually hate them as a company but the server boards ae great :
for a simple gaming computer for old games or most new games its quite ok. The formfactor is small enough to allow a small build aswell. These times i wish i did have the money to buy it :/
Is this gonna work good with a r9 290 4gb and a 500w power supply?
Make sure to test without spectre and meltdown patches. These affect Xeon only and really impact 1percent and 0.1 percent. Spectre and meltdown is only an issue if running virtual machines, not a gaming pc.
I always test stock with all the latest Windows updates :)
All nice and good if you are willing to wait up to 6 months to get your items.
6 weeks, now with Covid-19...
@@philscomputerlab I ordered a few things from ali before and the average wait is well over 6 weeks, I have a package I ordered 2 years ago that is still being processed.
@@desmondcantwell480 2 years ago, it for lost. Before Covid-19 it took around 4 weeks for me. I buy stuff all the time...
The platform as a whole is great. The Aliexpress motherboards are the main *potential* weak point.
I say potential, but in my case it was actual - my AliExpress X79 board lasted about 6 hours of gentle running time before spontaneous death. Others like Thom Higgins below have experienced similar breakdowns in this class of motherboard. After all, "this seems like unbelievably good value!" does generally come hand-in-hand with certain inverse realities, if you know what I mean.
The Xeons and RAM in these bundles are probably fine because, unlike the motherboards, they were completely manufactured by the original high-tier companies (Intel, Samsung, etc).
With the motherboards however, lack of consistency and lack of top-tier quality control are the potential pitfalls. To quote one of the AliExpress motherboard pages themselves: "The motherboard chips have difference band chips,because of the different product batches,we will send the goods by random,please refer to the actual product". That is to say, you will *never know* in advance exactly which "batch" of motherboard you will receive - whether it is going to be "the good one like Phil got", or if their next slightly-different batch has started rolling off the assembly line since then, with perhaps it's own unique set of vagaries and, potentially, issues.
For myself, I can only say that after the failure of X79 Board Number One, I'm now tossing up whether or not to chance throwing the dice on *another* AliExpress motherboard, or to just sell the now-homeless 12-core Xeon and large chunks of ECC RAM I now have.....
The E5-2678V3 (12C/24T, will TU to 3.2Ghz all cores) is now costing about US$85 on AliEx!!!!!
To avoid 0.1% low FPS stuttering in hi 1080P, go with 32GB of RAM. Cheapest RAM config, provided 4 channel capable X99 motherboard, is R-EEC 1333 DDR3 server ram. See Miyconst for RAM configuration comparisons (DDR4 desktop versus DDR3 desktop and server). Bottom line, tight timings tend to perform better than going for more expensive hi frequency RAM with looser timings.
I think Haswell is just too expensive still. I saw that prices have fallen a bit, like the 1230 or 1231 V3 are around 70 dollars compared to like a 100 a year ago, but still, unless you already have a motherboard it makes more sense to go for a 1600AF or other second-hand Ryzens. The cheap DDR3 memory is the only incentive, as the motherboards are not that cheap and are very barebone.
A full package (CPU, Motherboard, 32GB REEC) for $249. delivered ::::: HUANANZHI X99 X99-TF motherboard set with Xeon E5 2678 V3 LGA2011-3 + 4pcs 8GB = 32GB PC3 12800R RAM 1600MHz DDR3 ECC REG memory. Great deal IMO!!!!
www.aliexpress.com/item/4000859635998.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1e7574fb2zXYuR&algo_pvid=d8ed1de5-3a21-4467-8542-2a34ddf7fc78&algo_expid=d8ed1de5-3a21-4467-8542-2a34ddf7fc78-2&btsid=0ab50a5715951277212464612ef542&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
Hello Phil, how would you compare this sort of bundle value and performance to that of second gen Ryzen? Did you disabled Spectre/Meltdown Windows patches that apparently slow down these "old" CPUs? (as told by TechYes city man itself).
Thanks for the video!
I didn't disable anything, it's got all the latest updates! I believe performance with the overclock is not far off a stock Ryzen 1600 with average RAM...
Love this board combo
Do you think the new instructions on X99 will play a big part in the future? X79 stuff is so cheap now but while the raw CPU power is good, I'm worried about games not supporting it in a few years.