@Stimpy&Ren Increasingly it depends on the game and we are seeing games increasing multi-threaded. MS and PS haven't ivested in 12 core machines for no reason, games will make use of those cares. The current min is 4 cores (although you can virtualise 2 of those just). You stick with one or two cores if you wish but your gaming capability will be effected.
In Russia 2011 Ali's xeons and motherboards are very popular from 2017. A lot of peoples use it for gaming and work. My pc contains 3.2s1 motherboard, engineering sample of xeon e5 2650v2, 16 Gb of 1333 ECC Reg ram (i have bought it from old 1366 server near by 25$) and amd radeon rx578 sapphire from mining farm, it bought it 125$ ). All pc costs 450$. It contains ssd, good psu, 2tb hdd, quit cooler. P.S. Sorry for my very bad English
Don't apologize for your English. I understood totally what you are saying. Heck you know two languages for sure since it sounds like English isn't your first language. Knowing 2 is darn good. As for your PC you did very well in terms of cost for the pc. Enjoy.
@Richard Griffiths will the power consumption still be decent since it will run on stock voltage anyways? Most of the efficiacy goes away from overvolting right?
@@francescovolpini You are absolutely right, I meant v1-v2. About the board, do you recommend it? Thank you in advance.
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My HUANAN mobo intended for home server died for no reason. I got another a bit cheper no name one for 6 core 3.5ghz chip and now it works fine... But in retrospective It would be better and cheaper to get b350 and r5 1600. Ok registred ram is cheap.
I agree and once AMD Ryzen 3000 gets released you will see the 1st generation Ryzen processors and X370/B350 motherboards drop a lot in price. I love my Ryzen 1700 system but I will probably upgrade once Ryzen 3000 gets released.
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@@ucliker I have 1700 as well as a main pc, that is overkill for home server, and it struggles only with some games and I don't really have time to play them any more so I will keep it for some more time and wait for 4000 or 5000 series. And then get something mid range.
Very nice video, I always like the challenge of creating systems with older parts that can be used for a variety of things; it's good to recycle and reuse what already exists if possible! Keep up the good work!
@@philscomputerlab One of the nicer x79's I've seen come up. I really like the standard layout and size. As you mentioned, I've struggled with mounting screws and placements issues on some of the boards I've tested. Also really nice to see PCIe supported booting, as that's something that is missing from a number of other boards, preventing the use of HBA, RAID, or NVMe booting for server use. I think you hit the nail on the head as far as value goes. For $140, it's a pretty solid deal, but any higher than that and you really should look at a more modern platform. I think that will be especially true once Ryzen 3 3000 series CPUs and B550 boards are announced. I'd be curious to see what kind of performance you'd see at 1440p in a number of these games, when the CPU is less of a factor. Overall, you've got probably the most complete board I've seen. Quad channel memory, dual NVMe, good layout on the PCIe ports, and standard locations for power, SATA, and IO. I would still like to see some BIOS improvements and possibly some overclocking ability to further extend the value. Perhaps a price drop in some of the high Xeons will come before too long (E5-2687w v2 maybe). Good stuff Phil!
@@CraftComputing Might you know where to source plastic standoffs? The three standoff holes on the vertical edge closest to the front of the case do not reach the standard ATX standoff holes in my ATX case. Using a HuananZhi Deluxe in a CoolerMaster Masterbox Pro RGB. Not a deal killer....still plenty of support there. However, the OCD is unsatisfied. Enjoying a good craft beer while typing this.
I am currently running a 2680 v2, and it's the best of both worlds. 10 cores 20 threads and a base clock of 2.8 GHZ. It boosts to 3.6 GHZ and usually usually boosts to 3.1 GHZ at all 10 cores being used.
Hey Phil, just watching now, awesome stuff. Long Live the xeon :p. Is it max 1.9GHz on all cores? If so the 2420v2 might be better? I wouldn't mind trying the 2430 v2 has 300mhz extra too on the single.
Yea the All-Core Turbo for this one is only 1.9 GHz! That board you recommended arrived since, and it will feature in tomorrow's video :) And yea, I did pick the 2430V2, that little extra speed seems to help. I'm having so much fun with these parts! Buying new, man I just get buyers remorse, can't really enjoy it, but these Xeons are such good value...
@@philscomputerlab Yeah it's a lot of fun, though be 'careful' of zombieload and other security flaws that might scare you into buying new parts, because hey gotta someone get people off this amazing price performance :p.
Figures it would be x79, I did x99 on the cheap using an $109 QS 12 core a couple years ago. X79 is a good spot for a lot of games for the past two decades plus it has tons of pci-e lanes for sli/crossfire builds.
Finally someone does a gaming build video on this! I've been looking into this socket type. And there's quite a lot variety in the CPUs for someone on an extreme budget. The only downside is it's hard to find a *Good* motherboard for cheap.
So from what I gathered, this HUANAN company more or less does all the boards. The other brands, are just like OEM versions of some sorts. This uATX board worked great, not a single hitch, crash or any issue whatsoever. I'm also getting this PLEXHD X79 Turbo, it's similar, but larger, so more PCIe slots, POST 7-segment, power and reset buttons, but in terms of function it should be identical.
Ubisoft has always had poorly optimized games. Try installing the old Beowulf Game (the old version before it was patched), watch the FPS & feel the gameplay out, than Patch the Game with the latest patch & play it again, huge difference. If I install Beowulf without the patch it still makes my modern systems lag.
@@mbe102 Not too bad. Like a early God of War style game for the most part. Worth checking out if you like the old God of War style action/role playing or if you liked the CGI 2011 Beowulf movie
@@philscomputerlab yeah especially if you patch it. The requirements are as low as a Pentium 4 but it ran kinda slow on the P4s I tried it on. Still ran kinda slow on max settings on a maxed out Core 2 Quad Extreme until I patched it, than it ran fine. I tried the game on an i7 i7 4770k with 16Gigs of DDR3 Ram & a 8Gig RX 570 OC & it ran better for sure after the patch. But I have the original copy of the Game that came with the DVD back when it came out, so anyone downloading a digital copy probly will have the latest version. If I get bored enough I will try it again on a couple systems I have with & without the patch. I also never used Afterburner when patching & testing the Game before & after, I'd like to see the difference on the CPU too.
If you need any help with portuguese and/or russian count me in, Phil. DM me, no joke! Great content as usual btw. Amazing prices I must say, 25 bucks, damn!
this Huanan brand needs to be recognized, it might be a good idea to improve the pletora of motherboards, with a extremely cheap one, that can fulfill the spare pc part.
Exactly, i used X5680s with a GTX 1050Ti and 16GB DDR3 and not only do they clock at higher Ghz, they also have a welded die which means theres no need for delidding/extra cooling at all. They can take the heat beatings all day and never fail. It turned out very well, Youll get 100+ Fps at 1080P gaming from most games, even in the chunkier more demanding games like PUBG/ARK it was still on the happier end above 30FPS
Honestly it really boils down to what you do with your system. Some software is better optimized for newer processors and chip-sets while others still do well with older hardware. I know with Linux older hardware still works great.
FINALLY....someone doing a decent review of Huanan in English!!!!! I bought the HuananZhi Deluxe X79 with m.2 NVME. Coupled it with E5-1650V2 and 4x 8GB 1600MHz R-EEC Samsung RAM (clocked to 1866). I can set the core multipliers to 40x in BIOS and boot from the NVME! GPU is a GTX980. The only thing I highly recommend is to add a small fan (60 or 80mm) to blow directly on the VRM's. I also have an E5-1660 coupled to an ASROCK X79 Extreme 3 and 16GB 1600MHz R-EEC RAM (clocked to 1866) . The MB does not allow for V2 CPU's, hence I went with an E5-1660...version "1". Here, I can OC to 4.5Ghz...but I typically run it at 4.1 GHz. I also installed a fan to the VRM's for OCing. Also with a GTX980. For both, I went with a Chinese CPU cooler, 4 loop, dual radiator, dual fan with blue LED for about $25 ea. Lastly, a DELL Precision T5600 with dual E5-2667 and 16GB RAM, coupled to a GTX 970 OC'd. (I received this RIG, except the GPU, for free from my company during a decommissioning deal). It came with an 825W power supply. All run well and temps OK; 1080P in high or ultra at around 60FPS or better for the E5-1660 and E5-1650V2. With new cases (2 x CoolerMaster MasterBox Pro RGB, 2x 650W Bronze Power Supplies...for all three platforms I was out of pocket about $1300...hard to beat).
@@robotrock6046 Yes, on the HuananZhi Deluxe X79 motherboard, its worked fine on first install. It automatically recognized the installed NVME m.2 drive (I had no other drives installed, other than the USB boot device used for Win10Pro install).
LGA 2011 is an awesome platform, cheap and still very capable today. I bought an OEM HP workstation for about $155 on ebay, came with 16GB quad channel, and even a 2TB hard drive and an old Nvidia Quadro. Then got an E5-2690 (8 core 2.9GHz, 3.3GHz turbo) for about $70 so $225 USD for an entire 8 core/16GB RAM/2TB system... not bad. Put my GTX 1060 and 1070 in there, using the 1070 for GPU pass-through in a virtual machine for windows games.
I bought a dell precision t5600 for $235 on ebay, put in two(!) e5-2690s from ebay ($90 each), 32 gb of ram ($23) and an 8gb rx 470 from ebay for $83. It came with a 1 tb hd and I put in a 500gb ssd for $51, so that's a pretty cool system for $600
I got a decommissioned DELL Precision T5600 for free from my company. It has dual E5-2667 (2x6C12T, 2.9GHz / max turbo 3.5GHz) 8x4GB 1600MHz R-EEC RAM, a 500GB HDD and 825W power supply. It also had a RAID card...which I removed. I did install an old Soundblaster sound card from a venerable LGA775 PC that had finally died after 11 years of good use. Thru in an SSD with fresh install of WIN10Pro plus a GTX 970 OC'd. Voila! For less than 200 US dollars out of pocket, a very decent gaming rig...plus productivity of course. Note, I did have to get an PCI-E 6 pin to 8 pin adapter for the GPU...the DELL does not have a lot of cable choice off of the modular OEM power supply.
After watching this video, I bought one of these boards, E5-2650L V2 chip, and had some server memory already to build a PC for VR in the living room with a 1080 Ti. Thanks for the review, I would have had no idea these magical motherboards existed otherwise! Now I've decided to wait for the new Valve VR headsets... Late October 😬
For US resident, buy a old thinkstation s30. It has a native PCI slot compatible FM passthrough gehehe. Check board revision is 1.0 or 2.0. Only 2.0 support V2 CPUs.
Yes, these work stations can be had for next to nothing and if you can live without overclocking, are solid buys. Hence avoid E5-1XXX's (no sense to pay premium for a used unlocked CPU). Best CPU's in this case and IMO are the E5-2680/2687W/2690 if you want to game at 1080P High+. My youngest has received my Dell T5600 (dual E5-2667, 825W PS, GTX 970OC). Because it doesn't have all the RGB bling, I dressed it up with some gray carbon (the stuff used for car exteriors) vinyl adhesives (eBay on the cheap) on the side panel and a metal Avengers badge (IRON MAN, off of eBay) on the top. Kid loves it. Handles Fortnite at 1080P EPIC settings without issue (low 60FPS, AVG 100+).
Seems to perform similarly to my i7 3770k at 4.5ghz in games with a lot of multi threading, but then of course mine performs a lot better in the ubisoft titles you mentioned since it's just got that clock speed advantage. Interesting that some older server parts can actually keep up since games are increasingly better utilising many core CPUs.
I was considering one of these boards as an upgrade from an A10 5800K, but eventually opted for a more reputable 1366 board instead since there's few reviews online. Got an Asus board with a bent socket pin for around $60, straightened it out, put in a $10 W3520, and OC'd it to 4GHZ. It's not super powerful, but it's a decent upgrade from the old CPU.
I really like 1366 Xeons as well, but from my testing with a 4-core and 6-core Westmere (both overclocked), in BF1 the 6-core was smoother. As both are really cheap nowadays, I'd recommend the 6-core for multi-core gaming.
If you compare to Ryzen...this type of setup makes more sense when you are going with >=32GB of RAM. The R-EEC RAM is so cheap...this is where the savings are found. The Huanan Deluxe X79 allows for m.2 NVME boot. The E5-1650, 1660, 1650V2 are great for overclocking (all are 6C12T)...but you need to find a board and bios that support this. Unless you use a Russian BIOS mod on the Huanan, it is not possible to go beyond the 40x multiplier in stock bios. With the mod, it apparently support up to 4.5Ghz. I do not speak Russian, so I settled for the stock bios. The mainstream branded X79 boards do not have m.2 NVME, but they are much better for overclocking. With some, you can apparently install NVME via PCIE, but I do not think you can boot from these, like on the HuanaZhi Deluxe where it already comes with an m.2 NVME slot. Also, the cheapest mainstream branded board that supports overclocking seems to be the ASROCK Extreme 3, at around US$180-200 on eBay (at the moment). However, this LGA-2011 socketed board does not support E5-XXXX (V2). The best you can do on this board for overclocking is the E5-1660. If you need more cores...consider E5-2690, 2687W or the more expensive E5-1680V2.
my board did overclock to 4.2 out of the box. Huanan Deluxe. AFAIK they take BIOS from Huanan Deluxe x79 and use it on other motherboards so you can overclock or adjust timings. There is some luck element, some boards may have lower voltage, some may have higher. some CPUs are better some are worse, so people do report getting 4.4 ghz with 1650v2 on stock bios. The "mod" you talk about is called "voltmod" and you need to solder a resitor to a certain spot on the motherboard and this action basicly increases voltage.
@@ZLO_FAF Thanks for this info. I saw a recent TH-cam post today on this very issue. th-cam.com/video/Ix815arAteI/w-d-xo.html I have not played with the power durations to date, so maybe this is why the OC was limited to the 40x multiplier when I first attempted OC. Any insights are much appreciated. In any event, I will not push above 4.2 GHz. No need for my use case.
Also, changing the short/long duration power limits in the bios help with increasing frequency. Sometimes you can run into power limits before voltage :)
If you dont care about the much higher price of the non ecc/ddr4 ram, a decent deal on a ryzen 5 1600 should give you this cpu for the same money. And even without overclock it still has a higher single score speed thab the e5 1650 V1. there is no way you can find a V2 for 100 bucks. Show proof please.
Yep for gaming the quad core is coming to an end. Which makes one think the budget options in the future should be a minimum of 6 cores. It's the times we live in.
Hello Phil, few things about the memory, boards and CPUs. First, you are mistaken about one thing and that is the impact of quad channel. It does basically nothing in games (and most other apps too, it has small benefit only in compression), things really do not scale with channels. They do in synthetic benchmarks only, but that's not realistic scenario. What those do is load all CPU threads with code that tries to move data in memory and at the end it counts the numbers together and poof there is your results. But real world apps do not work that way. They usually need something from memory and they need it asap, most of the time is wasted by the latency before the data is found, and then the actual bandwidth needed to read it fast enough for the CPU to process, well, it just does not scale over dual. Same goes to latency, always look at the overall latency, not just the numbers. DDR3 at 1333CL9 will still have worse latency than DDR4 3200 CL16. So overall, even for X99 if one has dual or tripple kit, no need to worry, you are not loosing performance here. Same applies to X99 and any other ringbus based Intels. As it comes to the board, these Chinese boards are chaos. The issues is you do not know what chipset are you getting. The early ones had really X79 which was fine, cause you could overclock them slightly on the unlocked chips. Yeah no vcore modification support but they could still go to 4Ghz. But these days they are throwing H77 and B75 chips there (like here, single Sata3 and 5x Sata2 is a B75 tale), which is nice for the native USB 3.0 support but they do not overclock. Also shame for your power consumption, my idle is about half, I guess the C-states are not working right on your board. Few years ago Iv got this one for my sisters PC ( i.imgur.com/Mf3iLnL.jpg ) with E5-1650v2, got it to 4Ghz and its still really good machine. As it comes to the CPUs, avoid the low clocked ones its not worth it, if it cannot go over 3Ghz on all-core-turbo its not worth it. Good deals in general are the E5-1650, 1660 and 1680 both V1 and V2, cause those models are unlocked, and if your motherboard can overclock you are golden. For the locked ones, best are E5-2689, 2690, 2687W, 2667v2, 2673v2 ,2680v2, 2690v2. Engineering samples are also an option, and very frequent with Sandy. Generally, the SB-E ES chips, there is one rule, stick to the C-stepping chips. C0 C1 C2 are all good, perform like retail. The B steppings have tons of compatibility issues and I recommend avoiding those.
agreed, the B75 is probably the least desired chipset you can get in their lottery and unfortunately most sellers don't read your message if you decide to put a note with your order.. so it is down to luck what you end up with
I went with this... www.aliexpress.com/item/32851562453.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4d9bllQC Does very well. TechYes City did a compare with Corsair et al. These cheap Chinese coolers hold their own.
Not only you can use these CPUs for budget builds, but if you wander throughout the eBay you can find 2697 v3 which is on par or even outperforms 9900k in some tasks for about 370€(yes you have to add the price of the motherboard and cooler, but you can still compensate on cheaper memory and get even better performance using quad channel)
TR-1950x is cheaper than 9900k, and insanely faster in workstation tasks ($450 to $499 US new prices). It also has quad channel memory and the 64 PCIe lanes are good for quad GPU (yes I run quad GPU crossfire, some cheap 4x Fury over double my Titan Xp in my games, so yeah, PCIe lanes was indeed a selling point for me, otherwise my Ryzen 1700 was plenty impressive, and now that chip is $130 new!)
@@jakegarrett8109 That's true of course, but in my country for example, cheapest TR4 socket motherboard costs around 270€ and even on the ebay you cannot get one under 300€. On the other hand lga2011v3 can be bought for around 150€ from chinese manufacturers Edit: and also since TR is using infinity fabric you have to spent a fortune for good memory as well ... but it's newer and has more advanced instructions so zeah, really depends on your usecase
@@fire_silicon7803 Nope, you don't need to spend any more than regular crap from the bar ell... If you didn't notice, 32 GB of 3200 RAM is $140. The difference between that and 2133 is a whopping $10! Actually, I'm not even sure its that much difference depending on the sale... And you may not want higher for reasons below (ignoring the obvious worse timings, I'm talking about getting it to even boot...): Most CPUs will not run much faster anyways: 9900k scales just about the same with high speed memory as Ryzen, but it goes a lot faster with up to 4200 Mhz to 4500 Mhz memory if you get lucky on the memory controller on the CPU (and blast the snot out of Mem voltage). The 8700k can only break 4200 Mhz on maybe 10% of the chips (and they may be the crappy 4.8 Ghz chips, you're chances of getting both a good overclocking CPU and mem controller are unlikely). 7700k is even worse odds! I mention this, because I literally cannot get anything over 3200 on my 2200G to run (its 2 sticks taken from my TR-1950x which runs them just fine at XMP 3600 or overclocking to 3777 Mhz with reasonable timings), but the 2200G physically CANNOT boot past that, and it has to run absolute garbage timings (19-20-20) with rather high SOC voltage. Even at that, its unstable! I'm literally at a black screen right now just trying to get it to boot again (core temp is -50c at boot, yes NEGATIVE 50c, making it an extra big pain in the butt to actually make work!). My 1700 wouldn't even run XMP 2800-17-17-17... I mean, that's such lose timings, that should be 3600 speed... Ryzen is not the best on memory overclocking (literally the only thing keeping my score from being #1 in Firestrike/TimeSpy/Skydiver etc. I have the highest GPU and CPU core in the 2200g by a good margin, but this *$(&#$@ memory controller on it is a nightmare! Don't worry, I'll bench this thing to the ground if I have to, I'll get that number 1 spot today or tomorow! 0c_Monk3y)
I am still running my P9x75 pro LGA2011 motherboard that I bought new with a sandy bridge i7-3820 when it came out. I am looking at getting a E5-2687W v2, 3.4 GHz processor for it. I am concerned about not having any bios update support though.
x79 platform would be quite useful if you need a good amount of memory for a limited budget, like >128GB, since the DDR3 w/ECC memory is extremely cheap now. Other than that, it doesn't give much performance advantage for your bucks.
The main complaints I have seen with these Huanan motherboards is that overclocking is very limited, the VRMs are poor and the M.2 slots either don't work or don't allow you to boot from the drive. You should definitely try a higher powered CPU to stress the VRMs more.
Enjoy and appreciate your reviews and the info you provide, especially on older motherboards and processors. As I am one those on a budget and alwas looking for the best bang for my buck : )
I am interested in if this socket can be watercooled,would be a good winter build,to try watercooling for the first time and use for recording music on m.2
Loving the detail. Looking forward to seeing more videos about this. I have been wondering if these cpu's would be good for video editing. Would be cool to see what its capable of in premier pro and after effects.
Yuck, even with a $15 discount the motherboard featured is now about $190AUD. Definitely not worth it~ The alternative is a lot better price-wise but the board description is super dodgy. "ATI Cross Fire" lol
I've also bought that alternative board, but hasn't arrived yet. This board is nice because of uATX, but like I said in the video, it's always a bit sketchy with AliExpress LOL
check this link > www.aliexpress.com/item/HUANANZHI-X79-motherboard-X79-LGA2011-ATX-SATA3-USB3-0-Dual-PCI-E-16X-NVME-M-2/33011260194.html?spm=2114.10010108.100009.2.119415a1Rv3oXT&gps-id=pcDetailLeftTopSell&scm=1007.13482.95643.0&scm_id=1007.13482.95643.0&scm-url=1007.13482.95643.0&pvid=5fc7672e-781e-460a-9e8e-ba7f5f82207c
There are usually 100 vendors selling the exact same product. Just keep clicking trough the recomended listings and prices usually go down the more you click lol. And shipping goes to free as well. I found that the to be the way to shop on aliexpress.
i am from Russia. There are some hard in my pc: e5 2620 v2/ 32gb ddr3 1600 quad channel memory/ x 79 t v1.0.1 turbo/ gtx 1066. this configuration can launch any game at 2k resolution, some games, like gta5, - at 4k but without msaa and high shaders - 36-45 fps. e5 2620 costs 20$
The high core count will be decent for hyperv or ESX or KVM virtual box . And good to see even with such low clock speed its get decent performance in synthetics .
I'm wondering how the Chinese motherboards differ to the western or near equivalent. I think a brief collaboration with Brian of 'Tech yes city' might be interesting as you both have similar interests.
They main difference that I'm seeing is that they lock down the BIOS from people abusing and breaking their boards. For stock they seem to be very good.
This 10 core CPU reminds me of Phenom X3. I mean, 3 cores and 10 cores are very unusual numbers in tech world. Interesting stuff and a perfect choice for video.
Perhaps a 10 core xeon is actually a 12 core with 2 cores disabled because they are faulty or because they are fine and Intel wants to sell a cheaper version. I had a Phenom II X2 that I ran as a X4. I played Battlefield 1 and a bunch of games and it was just fine.
not only with the upgrade option. I maxed out ram to 1333mhz 64Gig E52687 xeon 8 cores at 3.7ghz x2 and board x79 dual. under 750 with an already 1080ti and its pumping 300+FPS on max 720 settings with all cores at less than 30-35% and 140-170fps on 1080 medium with v scale and less chopping but the core speed at 3.7 on the first 2 processors at 60% load with overwatch was impressive.. I wonder what a 2080ti would do... But motherboard parts and the quality. just be careful and check caps and screws have not fallen. and yeah. turn off HT. its only for little calculations that the GPU can do in the same amount of time if you fiddle with the settings on nvidia. The only thing letting it down. its 2011 with 22nm but clock it 5-10% more, its happy and just does what the non clocked version is good. I fount these a while back... The Huanan chip is based off the old intel chipset systems but with a better bus ram speed. so if you want thunderbolt, pci-e with the PWM modulator via your power supply and it will bump upto 42v output if needed. So really glad I saw these motherboards back in late 2018. will buy another when i can afford it :) thanks phil great work.
This is an exciting platform to learn about! I would love for you to fire up the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to see if it is even compatible or, dare I say it, able to overclock the system!
You can use it if you get a board with the server chipset. Unfortunately the sellers do not guarantee which chipset you get, it is a lottery. In my case I bought 2 PlexHD boards, one on H77 the other on Q75.
Awesome video man! I just bought a Xeon E 1220 for my SFF optiplex! Hopefully it all works!!! SANDY BRIDGE FOREVER!!! PS. this is just my side computer. LOL.
There's an Eight core variant with hyperthreading & higher base/boost clocks 2.6ghz base. It's the Xeon 4620v2 I'm currently setting up a dell precision t6310 with one. Very good value for the money.
I am still a great supporter of X79, even more so than X58. In fact, the only reason i swapped to a Ryzen build instead of maintaining my 4930k+Rampage IV Black is because of the native NVMe support on it (X79 had none, most if not all of those mobos had it added, and my X79 mobo also has a custom modded BIOS with NVMe support). However, it didn't fully replace it, as i did replace my 4930k with a Xeon 12 core CPU and has been pulling duty as my server for a while.
I heard newer batch of first gen ryzen also overclocks well, some able to get 4.1GHz if im not mistaken and that frequency is Zen+ territory (first gen Ryzen is Zen)
@@philscomputerlab ikr or u cant get a a320 board thatvwoud be good to i have a ryzen 2200g and 320m board and a rx 580 8gb i will update processor soon
From benchmarks i saw, a ryzen 5 1400 and even a r3 1200 may be a better option with simillar ingame performance, simillar price (at least where i live) but having newer tecnlogies and warranty and chances of upgrade. The xeon plataform may be a great budget rendering and professional work plataform with its superb multicore performance. Sony vegas or premiere would run great in there Edit: also the non L version would be better than that xeon performance wise, i think.
Yes, as already stated the Ryzen (with new warranty) makes a lot of sense, especially if total DDR4 RAM installed is less than 32GB. However, the DDR3 Reg.EEC at 1600Mhz is soooo cheap. When you push to 32GB or greater, the value of that RAM on a 4 channel capable motherboard really benefits. Many CPU's can support OC-ing that RAM to 1866Mhz, too. As for upgrading...yes, the X79 is limited. However, my next upgrade would be an E5-1680V2 from E5-1650V2. 6C12T to 8C16T....and GTX980 to GTX1080 (or 1070Ti)...in a year when prices hopefully drop. If there is ever a decent tutorial in English to flash the Huanan BIOS so that my current 4.0 GHz cap can be extended to 4.2 to 4.5 GHz...I might get brave and do that too. Plenty of Russian sites are doing this all the time.
These boards often have Russian custom bioses that allow overclocking, but you have a locked Xeon. Did you try XTU? Maybe it would allow for higher TDP at least?
Very interesting. Can you make the same tests using 1080p resolution as 720p is very vintage in 2019. Of course 1080p is GPU demanding, but what is interesting is the possibility to see if there's a CPU or RAM bottleneck. Good vidéo !!
Don't use "driver management software" please. You really don't know where it finds these drivers, I've had customers that used such software and it installed Malware along with the driver
Cool. Is this an actual X79 chipset? Most of these have Q77/B77 like chipsets. Would that make a lot of difference? Also your link to the board is already at 140usd...
I use two PlexHD, one with H77 the other with Q75. It does not make much of a difference besides the number of sata2/3 ports. The chipset sometimes limits you to one or two sata3 ports.
I just had a Dell Poweredge R510 rackmount server fall on my head. (Dual Xeon 2.4GHz, up to 128GB RAM and 14 HDs) Looked up what it's worth and... you can buy the base unit off eBay starting at just $75, or a complete unit with a dozen SAS hard drives for as little as $300 !! (Also supports SATA.) Main problem is it weighs 53 pounds. :) Anyway now I'm wondering what to do with it, so there it is as a suggestion to play with. :)
That's true, that 2011 is very popular in Russia, but now the situation is changing. They gain popularity in 2017-early2018 because of mining epidemy and really INSANE prices for DDR4 RAM and any gpu's upper than...idk, gt1030??? So, very popular build was to buy this platform with cheap ECC-REG DDR3 + used GPU from mining rig, or non-mining card(smth like gtx770/970/old radeons). And the whole system with 6/12 cpu, 16gb ram and a reasonable gpu costed like a new i3, 8gb ddr4 and 1050ti. But now the situation has changed a lot. The Ryzen build cost about the same as a reasonable 2011 build(i mean 8/16+16gb), but you are getting a moder platform, that can be upgraded to 3000 series in the future; a modern ram that can be used in the future; you got all modern interfaces like sata3, nvme, usb3.1/usb-c; another important thing is the guarantee. Aaaaaand, the ryzen pc got a pretty alike performance. Especially if you overclock your ram to 3000+ MHz, or just buy already OC ram. Idk the prices in your contry, but in Russia you can build X370+R5 1600+16Gb or B450+R7 1700+8gb for about the same price(maybe 1-2k rubles more- it's less than 20-40$). So, now there is a very little reason in building 2011 system from zero; maybe reasonable if you have 16Gb of ddr3 and gpu and you are on a very VERY tight budget. P.S. sorry for my english. Your videos are great x)
Just put together a rig with this board and a 2560 v2. According to Speccy, the board is 118 degrees C as soon as it boots, even though all the other components are much cooler (CPU ~20 degrees C, GPU ~45), is the temperature sensor on the board just messed up, or did I get a lemon? Obviously I don't wanna run a system with a board that hot, but it seems strange that everything else is so much cooler. If it helps any, running a Corsair Carbide 240, both 120mm fans pulling air in, got a beefy cooler similar to the ones you;ve spotlit here before from Ali Express, and a RX 580. No fans pulling hot air out, but with everything else staying cool I wouldn't think that would be an issue. My last spec in here was a 1650 v2 w/ stock Intel cooler, everything else the same, and it stayed comparatively frosty. Sorry to dump all this in a comment, but there isn't a lot of talk about these boards outside your channel (at least not in English haha) Thanks to anyone who may have some insight
If only these motherboards were priced competitively we'd have some real value here. Still if games continue to better utilize multiple cores in the future maybe these system will be a better value than they seem? It's definitely hard to justify some of these older Xeons when you can find Ryzen motherboards new for $40usd. We really need to locate a deal like this that is also overclockable. These things would scream if we could ramp them up! Last Xeon I built was a w3690 on HP Z400 motherboard and overclocked using XTU.
Yea I'm hoping Ryzen will put some pressure on prices with these old parts. It's true, when a deal is going on, you can get a brand new Ryzen board for very little money.
@@Driendel No but with the help of a good GPU yeah, But not ideal and nor the Xeon will offer you a noticeable better streaming both quality and performance.
@@Russell970 Even with all cores overclocked? i'm checking out every processor/motherboard combinations that i can buy with a low budget. E5-2680 + X79 seems to be the closest to what i'm looking for.
@@Driendel Go for the Xeon E3-1230V2 (i7 3770), it costs around 65 dollars on Aliexpress and offers you both good gaming and streaming performance, Any H67 motherboard will work just fine with the bios version 0150 or newer, You can find a h67 motherboard for very cheap on Aliexpress :)
There are many processors to choose, you can get E5-1620v0, or 1650v0 or v2 and motherboard that can OC them to 3.9 or 4.2. you can get Xeon E5-2637 v2 if for some weird reason you want a quad core ru.aliexpress.com/item/Intel-E5-2637-v2-2637-V2-Quad-Core-3-5/33000010396.html and don't forget the double of memory channels, m.2 slots, PCI express 3.0
Threadripper? Because its one of the few that can actually game 4k (where you're completely GPU bound, so I run 4x GPU, and that's where the 64 PCIe lanes is nice! 9900k only has 16x PCIe, so that's like good enough for 1 GPU and would perform about like my FX with its Titan Xp, which is exceptionally GPU bound!). So high core count gaming, that just calls Threadripper to me! It works good since TR is top 5% binned Ryzen, it runs faster than the 1800x chips they binned it from, and easy to cool, so even if you just turn off half the cores or got the 1900x 8 core, then either way it beat the fastest desktop Ryzen since its just binned from it. The new 2nd gen TR is just binned 2700x packed together, 3rd gen might be interesting...
Seems the CPU lets this build down? I like the look of the M/B, will have to watch the video again as I missed some of the specs but I do like the layout and the colour.
I'm a big fan of playing videogames on PC but I live in South America more exactly in Colombia, here the new hardware it's just too expensive even used hardware is very expensive... So what I do it's just watch TH-cam videos of people building amazing PCs with hardware I dream having it but I won't be able to afford it, even those "budget builds" with new PC parts are too expensive for me here because imported stuff pay too many taxes. These Chinese bundles make a lot of sense for us here...
I have a e5 2680v2 still quite the beast, have 64GB of DDR3 in there (4x16GB) running at 1650MHz CL8 (BCLK of 103,3) doesn't seem to bottleneck my gtx 1080 too much :)
@@MrRomanvideo If I could only trust Google (which is a stretch) to help me translate through the massive amount of golden information on many of the Russian TH-camr sites, that would be great. Especially that Dr.Abgreyd. That man can do some magic with these rigs. You guys have really have this sh!t figured out!
Excellent video. Building computers using this platform could be a great way to assemble computers from old parts and make money. Prices on new computer gear in Canada are very high, and many people would like the price/performance ratio of this equipment.
The problem with building computers in that way for people is the after sales support, ie. they *will* come back for help with a gazillion different issues (and if you're using OEM Windows licenses then you're obliged to help, or you could sell the PCs with Linux and just let the buyer get Windows on their own if they want to). Unless one can handle that somehow, the time taken up can make the whole thing uneconomic. It can also quickly become a saturated market, and remember you'd be dealing with the kind of buyer less likely to understand the rationale of why what you have for sale makes more sense to buy then rival product X or cheaper product Y (ie by definition they're buyers with low budgets and little technical knowledge, otherwise they'd be buying something better and/or building it themselves). It can become a race to the bottom with thin margins, and the profit for a whole month can be wiped out by just one disgruntled buyer who demands a return & refund (whether their claim is legit or not). Alas the pen & paper math of buy-low-sell-high rarely translates smoothly into the real world. It can sound great, but things go wrong, there are unexpected costs, it can be time consuming, etc. Remember the Penny Blossom episode from BBT? :D
New video with a higher clocked 6 Core 12 Thread CPU: th-cam.com/video/zp2XSGn4_x0/w-d-xo.html
Cool!
@Stimpy&Ren Increasingly it depends on the game and we are seeing games increasing multi-threaded. MS and PS haven't ivested in 12 core machines for no reason, games will make use of those cares. The current min is 4 cores (although you can virtualise 2 of those just). You stick with one or two cores if you wish but your gaming capability will be effected.
Intriguing, it uses 30-40 watts in those games! However, due to the low clock speed, the RX 580 is too powerful for this.
Hello, overclockers ddr3 ecc reg to 1866 mhz?
What program is used to display FPS and load cores?
In Russia 2011 Ali's xeons and motherboards are very popular from 2017. A lot of peoples use it for gaming and work. My pc contains 3.2s1 motherboard, engineering sample of xeon e5 2650v2, 16 Gb of 1333 ECC Reg ram (i have bought it from old 1366 server near by 25$) and amd radeon rx578 sapphire from mining farm, it bought it 125$ ). All pc costs 450$. It contains ssd, good psu, 2tb hdd, quit cooler.
P.S. Sorry for my very bad English
@m1srok
Your English is perfect! I have 2650V2 incoming, I think it's the best all-round CPU.
Don't apologize for your English. I understood totally what you are saying. Heck you know two languages for sure since it sounds like English isn't your first language. Knowing 2 is darn good. As for your PC you did very well in terms of cost for the pc. Enjoy.
Good deal for the price make a cheap an powerful gaming setup !
i just bought a huanan x79 deluxe and e5 1650 v2 , i hope the motherbord will work.
@Richard Griffiths will the power consumption still be decent since it will run on stock voltage anyways? Most of the efficiacy goes away from overvolting right?
It really seems the more multi-threaded games become, the more interesting all these old server CPU's become.
The manufacturer would probably say m.2 is so fast, you won't even see the HDD-LED blinking. XD
Well if you want a silly flashing light, most people can tell the drive is working. 🤣
guess it would be a good testing board for high core count to a dev on a budget.
If you don't mind the slowdown, you can always get "free" multicore by running your software on QEMU VM and overprovisioning the CPU core count.
why would a dev need high core count?
I built huanan systems like this for value when RAM prices were insane. Great video!
Does this board oc
@@NotAnAlienlol Only for 1650-1660 v2-v3. For the rest, except engineering sample CPUs, there is a bios hack made by russians.
@@andresyepes367 you are totally wrong. every cpu on the 16 series is unlocked, and this motherboard only supports v1 and v2 cpus.
@@francescovolpini You are absolutely right, I meant v1-v2. About the board, do you recommend it? Thank you in advance.
My HUANAN mobo intended for home server died for no reason. I got another a bit cheper no name one for 6 core 3.5ghz chip and now it works fine... But in retrospective It would be better and cheaper to get b350 and r5 1600. Ok registred ram is cheap.
I agree and once AMD Ryzen 3000 gets released you will see the 1st generation Ryzen processors and X370/B350 motherboards drop a lot in price. I love my Ryzen 1700 system but I will probably upgrade once Ryzen 3000 gets released.
@@ucliker I have 1700 as well as a main pc, that is overkill for home server, and it struggles only with some games and I don't really have time to play them any more so I will keep it for some more time and wait for 4000 or 5000 series. And then get something mid range.
Very nice video, I always like the challenge of creating systems with older parts that can be used for a variety of things; it's good to recycle and reuse what already exists if possible! Keep up the good work!
Chinese x79 board?!? You're on my turf bro! ;-)
Good seeing you :) Do share your thoughts, you've tested a fair amount of gear.
@@philscomputerlab One of the nicer x79's I've seen come up. I really like the standard layout and size. As you mentioned, I've struggled with mounting screws and placements issues on some of the boards I've tested. Also really nice to see PCIe supported booting, as that's something that is missing from a number of other boards, preventing the use of HBA, RAID, or NVMe booting for server use.
I think you hit the nail on the head as far as value goes. For $140, it's a pretty solid deal, but any higher than that and you really should look at a more modern platform. I think that will be especially true once Ryzen 3 3000 series CPUs and B550 boards are announced. I'd be curious to see what kind of performance you'd see at 1440p in a number of these games, when the CPU is less of a factor.
Overall, you've got probably the most complete board I've seen. Quad channel memory, dual NVMe, good layout on the PCIe ports, and standard locations for power, SATA, and IO. I would still like to see some BIOS improvements and possibly some overclocking ability to further extend the value. Perhaps a price drop in some of the high Xeons will come before too long (E5-2687w v2 maybe). Good stuff Phil!
@@CraftComputing Might you know where to source plastic standoffs? The three standoff holes on the vertical edge closest to the front of the case do not reach the standard ATX standoff holes in my ATX case. Using a HuananZhi Deluxe in a CoolerMaster Masterbox Pro RGB.
Not a deal killer....still plenty of support there. However, the OCD is unsatisfied. Enjoying a good craft beer while typing this.
I am currently running a 2680 v2, and it's the best of both worlds. 10 cores 20 threads and a base clock of 2.8 GHZ. It boosts to 3.6 GHZ and usually usually boosts to 3.1 GHZ at all 10 cores being used.
How about 2689? Any opinion about it for video editing?
I like the AMD coolers... I was able to slap a wraith spire rgb from my 2700x on an athlon 64 3200 windows 98 build no problem.
Hey Phil, just watching now, awesome stuff. Long Live the xeon :p. Is it max 1.9GHz on all cores? If so the 2420v2 might be better? I wouldn't mind trying the 2430 v2 has 300mhz extra too on the single.
Yea the All-Core Turbo for this one is only 1.9 GHz! That board you recommended arrived since, and it will feature in tomorrow's video :) And yea, I did pick the 2430V2, that little extra speed seems to help. I'm having so much fun with these parts! Buying new, man I just get buyers remorse, can't really enjoy it, but these Xeons are such good value...
@@philscomputerlab Yeah it's a lot of fun, though be 'careful' of zombieload and other security flaws that might scare you into buying new parts, because hey gotta someone get people off this amazing price performance :p.
Figures it would be x79, I did x99 on the cheap using an $109 QS 12 core a couple years ago. X79 is a good spot for a lot of games for the past two decades plus it has tons of pci-e lanes for sli/crossfire builds.
With these chinese boards it seems sli/crossfire runs very badly if all. So far I haven't seen a chinese board with good results.
@@thomasschraubt7497 AFAIK SLI is a no go, they do not pay for the licence, so the SLI logo is just fake :)
@@thomasschraubt7497
I don't use Chinese boards preferring name brand even though I end up paying more that is ok as I still saved on the cpu.
@@philscomputerlab you can inject the sli certificate if you really want to try running sli on them.
Finally someone does a gaming build video on this! I've been looking into this socket type. And there's quite a lot variety in the CPUs for someone on an extreme budget. The only downside is it's hard to find a *Good* motherboard for cheap.
So from what I gathered, this HUANAN company more or less does all the boards. The other brands, are just like OEM versions of some sorts. This uATX board worked great, not a single hitch, crash or any issue whatsoever. I'm also getting this PLEXHD X79 Turbo, it's similar, but larger, so more PCIe slots, POST 7-segment, power and reset buttons, but in terms of function it should be identical.
Ubisoft has always had poorly optimized games. Try installing the old Beowulf Game (the old version before it was patched), watch the FPS & feel the gameplay out, than Patch the Game with the latest patch & play it again, huge difference. If I install Beowulf without the patch it still makes my modern systems lag.
How is that game?
@@mbe102 Not too bad. Like a early God of War style game for the most part. Worth checking out if you like the old God of War style action/role playing or if you liked the CGI 2011 Beowulf movie
Also don't forget to download & add the latest patch ;)
@dhgodzilla1
This seems to be an older game? Should run well on anything modern I guess?
@@philscomputerlab yeah especially if you patch it. The requirements are as low as a Pentium 4 but it ran kinda slow on the P4s I tried it on. Still ran kinda slow on max settings on a maxed out Core 2 Quad Extreme until I patched it, than it ran fine. I tried the game on an i7 i7 4770k with 16Gigs of DDR3 Ram & a 8Gig RX 570 OC & it ran better for sure after the patch. But I have the original copy of the Game that came with the DVD back when it came out, so anyone downloading a digital copy probly will have the latest version. If I get bored enough I will try it again on a couple systems I have with & without the patch. I also never used Afterburner when patching & testing the Game before & after, I'd like to see the difference on the CPU too.
If you need any help with portuguese and/or russian count me in, Phil. DM me, no joke! Great content as usual btw. Amazing prices I must say, 25 bucks, damn!
Me too bro! I'm portuguese so I can always help
Yeah, i'm brazilian, i can help with the other type of portuguese.
can do russian, if you need
I cant do anything , I am speechless
@@canss1951 YES YOU CAN, CAN!
The board is sending "TU" in Morse Code at startup (short for Thank You, I assume)
Great video once again Phil, this would a great option for a cheap home server (Plex, FreeNas,ETC) since it supports ECC memory.
this Huanan brand needs to be recognized, it might be a good idea to improve the pletora of motherboards, with a extremely cheap one, that can fulfill the spare pc part.
There is Biostar though.
Sandy Bridge FTW. There are huge numbers of SB machines out there for cheap now and they're amazing for the price.
with nice security holes
i mean yeah 10 cores and 20 threads but 2ghz hmm i would like to see the xeon x5650s more together with overclocks.
Exactly, i used X5680s with a GTX 1050Ti and 16GB DDR3 and not only do they clock at higher Ghz, they also have a welded die which means theres no need for delidding/extra cooling at all. They can take the heat beatings all day and never fail. It turned out very well, Youll get 100+ Fps at 1080P gaming from most games, even in the chunkier more demanding games like PUBG/ARK it was still on the happier end above 30FPS
I have an x79 system (2013): 4960x + p9x79 deluxe. Working well but getting old.
Honestly it really boils down to what you do with your system. Some software is better optimized for newer processors and chip-sets while others still do well with older hardware. I know with Linux older hardware still works great.
FINALLY....someone doing a decent review of Huanan in English!!!!! I bought the HuananZhi Deluxe X79 with m.2 NVME. Coupled it with E5-1650V2 and 4x 8GB 1600MHz R-EEC Samsung RAM (clocked to 1866). I can set the core multipliers to 40x in BIOS and boot from the NVME! GPU is a GTX980.
The only thing I highly recommend is to add a small fan (60 or 80mm) to blow directly on the VRM's.
I also have an E5-1660 coupled to an ASROCK X79 Extreme 3 and 16GB 1600MHz R-EEC RAM (clocked to 1866) . The MB does not allow for V2 CPU's, hence I went with an E5-1660...version "1". Here, I can OC to 4.5Ghz...but I typically run it at 4.1 GHz. I also installed a fan to the VRM's for OCing. Also with a GTX980.
For both, I went with a Chinese CPU cooler, 4 loop, dual radiator, dual fan with blue LED for about $25 ea.
Lastly, a DELL Precision T5600 with dual E5-2667 and 16GB RAM, coupled to a GTX 970 OC'd. (I received this RIG, except the GPU, for free from my company during a decommissioning deal). It came with an 825W power supply.
All run well and temps OK; 1080P in high or ultra at around 60FPS or better for the E5-1660 and E5-1650V2.
With new cases (2 x CoolerMaster MasterBox Pro RGB, 2x 650W Bronze Power Supplies...for all three platforms I was out of pocket about $1300...hard to beat).
have you tested NVMe? does it boot properly from NVMe?
@@robotrock6046 Yes, on the HuananZhi Deluxe X79 motherboard, its worked fine on first install. It automatically recognized the installed NVME m.2 drive (I had no other drives installed, other than the USB boot device used for Win10Pro install).
LGA 2011 is an awesome platform, cheap and still very capable today. I bought an OEM HP workstation for about $155 on ebay, came with 16GB quad channel, and even a 2TB hard drive and an old Nvidia Quadro. Then got an E5-2690 (8 core 2.9GHz, 3.3GHz turbo) for about $70 so $225 USD for an entire 8 core/16GB RAM/2TB system... not bad. Put my GTX 1060 and 1070 in there, using the 1070 for GPU pass-through in a virtual machine for windows games.
I bought a dell precision t5600 for $235 on ebay, put in two(!) e5-2690s from ebay ($90 each), 32 gb of ram ($23) and an 8gb rx 470 from ebay for $83. It came with a 1 tb hd and I put in a 500gb ssd for $51, so that's a pretty cool system for $600
@@joshuascholar3220 Nice rig, I feel like if I got the dual CPU module with the 2690 my system would probably melt haha
I got a decommissioned DELL Precision T5600 for free from my company. It has dual E5-2667 (2x6C12T, 2.9GHz / max turbo 3.5GHz) 8x4GB 1600MHz R-EEC RAM, a 500GB HDD and 825W power supply. It also had a RAID card...which I removed. I did install an old Soundblaster sound card from a venerable LGA775 PC that had finally died after 11 years of good use.
Thru in an SSD with fresh install of WIN10Pro plus a GTX 970 OC'd. Voila! For less than 200 US dollars out of pocket, a very decent gaming rig...plus productivity of course.
Note, I did have to get an PCI-E 6 pin to 8 pin adapter for the GPU...the DELL does not have a lot of cable choice off of the modular OEM power supply.
TH-cam just recomended me this so glad, very detailed. Now i have a good backlog of stuff to watch from you
After watching this video, I bought one of these boards, E5-2650L V2 chip, and had some server memory already to build a PC for VR in the living room with a 1080 Ti. Thanks for the review, I would have had no idea these magical motherboards existed otherwise! Now I've decided to wait for the new Valve VR headsets... Late October 😬
So, after 5 months, how does it all work? Is it still fine?
For US resident, buy a old thinkstation s30. It has a native PCI slot compatible FM passthrough gehehe. Check board revision is 1.0 or 2.0. Only 2.0 support V2 CPUs.
Yes, these work stations can be had for next to nothing and if you can live without overclocking, are solid buys. Hence avoid E5-1XXX's (no sense to pay premium for a used unlocked CPU). Best CPU's in this case and IMO are the E5-2680/2687W/2690 if you want to game at 1080P High+.
My youngest has received my Dell T5600 (dual E5-2667, 825W PS, GTX 970OC). Because it doesn't have all the RGB bling, I dressed it up with some gray carbon (the stuff used for car exteriors) vinyl adhesives (eBay on the cheap) on the side panel and a metal Avengers badge (IRON MAN, off of eBay) on the top. Kid loves it. Handles Fortnite at 1080P EPIC settings without issue (low 60FPS, AVG 100+).
That Firestrike is just slightly higher than I got with a 4 core/8 thread LGA 1156 Xeon with the rx470d that you recommended a few weeks ago.
inkysteve x3440 ?
Seems to perform similarly to my i7 3770k at 4.5ghz in games with a lot of multi threading, but then of course mine performs a lot better in the ubisoft titles you mentioned since it's just got that clock speed advantage. Interesting that some older server parts can actually keep up since games are increasingly better utilising many core CPUs.
Single Male Gamer my 3770 was far better than this
I was considering one of these boards as an upgrade from an A10 5800K, but eventually opted for a more reputable 1366 board instead since there's few reviews online. Got an Asus board with a bent socket pin for around $60, straightened it out, put in a $10 W3520, and OC'd it to 4GHZ. It's not super powerful, but it's a decent upgrade from the old CPU.
I really like 1366 Xeons as well, but from my testing with a 4-core and 6-core Westmere (both overclocked), in BF1 the 6-core was smoother. As both are really cheap nowadays, I'd recommend the 6-core for multi-core gaming.
F** yeah bonus video!!
If you compare to Ryzen...this type of setup makes more sense when you are going with >=32GB of RAM. The R-EEC RAM is so cheap...this is where the savings are found. The Huanan Deluxe X79 allows for m.2 NVME boot. The E5-1650, 1660, 1650V2 are great for overclocking (all are 6C12T)...but you need to find a board and bios that support this. Unless you use a Russian BIOS mod on the Huanan, it is not possible to go beyond the 40x multiplier in stock bios. With the mod, it apparently support up to 4.5Ghz. I do not speak Russian, so I settled for the stock bios.
The mainstream branded X79 boards do not have m.2 NVME, but they are much better for overclocking. With some, you can apparently install NVME via PCIE, but I do not think you can boot from these, like on the HuanaZhi Deluxe where it already comes with an m.2 NVME slot.
Also, the cheapest mainstream branded board that supports overclocking seems to be the ASROCK Extreme 3, at around US$180-200 on eBay (at the moment). However, this LGA-2011 socketed board does not support E5-XXXX (V2). The best you can do on this board for overclocking is the E5-1660.
If you need more cores...consider E5-2690, 2687W or the more expensive E5-1680V2.
Thanks, great tips.
my board did overclock to 4.2 out of the box. Huanan Deluxe. AFAIK they take BIOS from Huanan Deluxe x79 and use it on other motherboards so you can overclock or adjust timings.
There is some luck element, some boards may have lower voltage, some may have higher. some CPUs are better some are worse, so people do report getting 4.4 ghz with 1650v2 on stock bios.
The "mod" you talk about is called "voltmod" and you need to solder a resitor to a certain spot on the motherboard and this action basicly increases voltage.
@@ZLO_FAF Thanks for this info. I saw a recent TH-cam post today on this very issue.
th-cam.com/video/Ix815arAteI/w-d-xo.html
I have not played with the power durations to date, so maybe this is why the OC was limited to the 40x multiplier when I first attempted OC. Any insights are much appreciated. In any event, I will not push above 4.2 GHz. No need for my use case.
get a 1650 v2 - you can get the for around 100 busk. If you do bios mod you can get 4.0 to 4.2 ghz. Then it is as fast as a i5 8400 i most games.
Also, changing the short/long duration power limits in the bios help with increasing frequency. Sometimes you can run into power limits before voltage :)
Lasse Berg
So tell us then the power usage.
@@mitchell3876 true :)
If you dont care about the much higher price of the non ecc/ddr4 ram, a decent deal on a ryzen 5 1600 should give you this cpu for the same money. And even without overclock it still has a higher single score speed thab the e5 1650 V1. there is no way you can find a V2 for 100 bucks. Show proof please.
The v2's go for 150-200
Yep for gaming the quad core is coming to an end. Which makes one think the budget options in the future should be a minimum of 6 cores. It's the times we live in.
Hello Phil, few things about the memory, boards and CPUs.
First, you are mistaken about one thing and that is the impact of quad channel. It does basically nothing in games (and most other apps too, it has small benefit only in compression), things really do not scale with channels. They do in synthetic benchmarks only, but that's not realistic scenario. What those do is load all CPU threads with code that tries to move data in memory and at the end it counts the numbers together and poof there is your results. But real world apps do not work that way. They usually need something from memory and they need it asap, most of the time is wasted by the latency before the data is found, and then the actual bandwidth needed to read it fast enough for the CPU to process, well, it just does not scale over dual. Same goes to latency, always look at the overall latency, not just the numbers. DDR3 at 1333CL9 will still have worse latency than DDR4 3200 CL16. So overall, even for X99 if one has dual or tripple kit, no need to worry, you are not loosing performance here. Same applies to X99 and any other ringbus based Intels.
As it comes to the board, these Chinese boards are chaos. The issues is you do not know what chipset are you getting. The early ones had really X79 which was fine, cause you could overclock them slightly on the unlocked chips. Yeah no vcore modification support but they could still go to 4Ghz. But these days they are throwing H77 and B75 chips there (like here, single Sata3 and 5x Sata2 is a B75 tale), which is nice for the native USB 3.0 support but they do not overclock. Also shame for your power consumption, my idle is about half, I guess the C-states are not working right on your board. Few years ago Iv got this one for my sisters PC ( i.imgur.com/Mf3iLnL.jpg ) with E5-1650v2, got it to 4Ghz and its still really good machine.
As it comes to the CPUs, avoid the low clocked ones its not worth it, if it cannot go over 3Ghz on all-core-turbo its not worth it. Good deals in general are the E5-1650, 1660 and 1680 both V1 and V2, cause those models are unlocked, and if your motherboard can overclock you are golden. For the locked ones, best are E5-2689, 2690, 2687W, 2667v2, 2673v2 ,2680v2, 2690v2. Engineering samples are also an option, and very frequent with Sandy. Generally, the SB-E ES chips, there is one rule, stick to the C-stepping chips. C0 C1 C2 are all good, perform like retail. The B steppings have tons of compatibility issues and I recommend avoiding those.
agreed, the B75 is probably the least desired chipset you can get in their lottery and unfortunately most sellers don't read your message if you decide to put a note with your order.. so it is down to luck what you end up with
4770k LGA1150 vs LGA2011 winner ?
A lot of people have been trying this brand of boards. Thank you for also doing a review.
It's a nice board!
Good that u are trying these mobos...do order them more and show us the vrm temps....maybe use a thermal cam...
Great video, as always!
I got a Lenovo S30 and put a Xeon E5-2660 in it.
I'm really happy with it until I can afford something newer.
Also an excellent vid on relevant topics. Hopefully your channel will be getting some good growth and your subbies count keeps growing. 👍
I would be interested in HT on vs. off tests, especially with these high core count CPUs. :)
@André Bachmann
Yea, in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, I got better results with HT off.
"Better results" feels a bit too... unscientific for my taste. ;)
Great video. Brian will be happy you mentioned him.
2011 socket coolers ? Tricky
just ziptie something really tight to it LOL
I went with this...
www.aliexpress.com/item/32851562453.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4d9bllQC
Does very well. TechYes City did a compare with Corsair et al. These cheap Chinese coolers hold their own.
Not only you can use these CPUs for budget builds, but if you wander throughout the eBay you can find 2697 v3 which is on par or even outperforms 9900k in some tasks for about 370€(yes you have to add the price of the motherboard and cooler, but you can still compensate on cheaper memory and get even better performance using quad channel)
TR-1950x is cheaper than 9900k, and insanely faster in workstation tasks ($450 to $499 US new prices). It also has quad channel memory and the 64 PCIe lanes are good for quad GPU (yes I run quad GPU crossfire, some cheap 4x Fury over double my Titan Xp in my games, so yeah, PCIe lanes was indeed a selling point for me, otherwise my Ryzen 1700 was plenty impressive, and now that chip is $130 new!)
@@jakegarrett8109 That's true of course, but in my country for example, cheapest TR4 socket motherboard costs around 270€ and even on the ebay you cannot get one under 300€. On the other hand lga2011v3 can be bought for around 150€ from chinese manufacturers
Edit: and also since TR is using infinity fabric you have to spent a fortune for good memory as well ... but it's newer and has more advanced instructions so zeah, really depends on your usecase
@@fire_silicon7803 Nope, you don't need to spend any more than regular crap from the bar ell... If you didn't notice, 32 GB of 3200 RAM is $140. The difference between that and 2133 is a whopping $10! Actually, I'm not even sure its that much difference depending on the sale... And you may not want higher for reasons below (ignoring the obvious worse timings, I'm talking about getting it to even boot...):
Most CPUs will not run much faster anyways: 9900k scales just about the same with high speed memory as Ryzen, but it goes a lot faster with up to 4200 Mhz to 4500 Mhz memory if you get lucky on the memory controller on the CPU (and blast the snot out of Mem voltage). The 8700k can only break 4200 Mhz on maybe 10% of the chips (and they may be the crappy 4.8 Ghz chips, you're chances of getting both a good overclocking CPU and mem controller are unlikely). 7700k is even worse odds!
I mention this, because I literally cannot get anything over 3200 on my 2200G to run (its 2 sticks taken from my TR-1950x which runs them just fine at XMP 3600 or overclocking to 3777 Mhz with reasonable timings), but the 2200G physically CANNOT boot past that, and it has to run absolute garbage timings (19-20-20) with rather high SOC voltage. Even at that, its unstable! I'm literally at a black screen right now just trying to get it to boot again (core temp is -50c at boot, yes NEGATIVE 50c, making it an extra big pain in the butt to actually make work!). My 1700 wouldn't even run XMP 2800-17-17-17... I mean, that's such lose timings, that should be 3600 speed... Ryzen is not the best on memory overclocking (literally the only thing keeping my score from being #1 in Firestrike/TimeSpy/Skydiver etc. I have the highest GPU and CPU core in the 2200g by a good margin, but this *$(&#$@ memory controller on it is a nightmare! Don't worry, I'll bench this thing to the ground if I have to, I'll get that number 1 spot today or tomorow! 0c_Monk3y)
I am still running my P9x75 pro LGA2011 motherboard that I bought new with a sandy bridge i7-3820 when it came out. I am looking at getting a E5-2687W v2, 3.4 GHz processor for it. I am concerned about not having any bios update support though.
Hello, hopefully you will notice me but xeon e5 2689 is best deal for this socket rn 3.3 ghz on all 8c/16t you should try it
Thank you and btw it only costs 50$
x79 platform would be quite useful if you need a good amount of memory for a limited budget, like >128GB, since the DDR3 w/ECC memory is extremely cheap now. Other than that, it doesn't give much performance advantage for your bucks.
And maybe show how work in this setup emulator RPCS3 with God of war3 please!
The main complaints I have seen with these Huanan motherboards is that overclocking is very limited, the VRMs are poor and the M.2 slots either don't work or don't allow you to boot from the drive. You should definitely try a higher powered CPU to stress the VRMs more.
The motherboard I have also has M.2 slot but it only supports NVMe drives and not SATA M.2 models.
Excellent review Phil, I appreciate your effort.
Enjoy and appreciate your reviews and the info you provide, especially on older motherboards and processors. As I am one those on a budget and alwas looking for the best bang for my buck : )
That boot beep sounds suspiciously like Supermicro’s boot beeps, but mangled.
I though the same, I'm pretty sure that it's something with the connected usb devices. I have a EVGA board that does the same.
@@TheAndrewDET same BIOS (AMT) maybe? Looks familar
I am interested in if this socket can be watercooled,would be a good winter build,to try watercooling for the first time and use for recording music on m.2
Loving the detail. Looking forward to seeing more videos about this. I have been wondering if these cpu's would be good for video editing. Would be cool to see what its capable of in premier pro and after effects.
I only use Cyberlink PowerDirector :P
I just got two x5650 for 20$. 12 cores 24 threads. Works great in Intel dual socket server.
X5650 is 6 cores 12 threads. Not 12 coress 24 threads.
Alan Tan i have two can you read? I have Intel server board with dual sockets
Yuck, even with a $15 discount the motherboard featured is now about $190AUD. Definitely not worth it~
The alternative is a lot better price-wise but the board description is super dodgy. "ATI Cross Fire" lol
I've also bought that alternative board, but hasn't arrived yet. This board is nice because of uATX, but like I said in the video, it's always a bit sketchy with AliExpress LOL
@@philscomputerlab Oh you did, nice. Maybe you could do a video on that board with a higher clocked 8 core in the future :)
Yea that's on the cards for sure!
check this link > www.aliexpress.com/item/HUANANZHI-X79-motherboard-X79-LGA2011-ATX-SATA3-USB3-0-Dual-PCI-E-16X-NVME-M-2/33011260194.html?spm=2114.10010108.100009.2.119415a1Rv3oXT&gps-id=pcDetailLeftTopSell&scm=1007.13482.95643.0&scm_id=1007.13482.95643.0&scm-url=1007.13482.95643.0&pvid=5fc7672e-781e-460a-9e8e-ba7f5f82207c
There are usually 100 vendors selling the exact same product. Just keep clicking trough the recomended listings and prices usually go down the more you click lol. And shipping goes to free as well.
I found that the to be the way to shop on aliexpress.
i am from Russia. There are some hard in my pc: e5 2620 v2/ 32gb ddr3 1600 quad channel memory/ x 79 t v1.0.1 turbo/ gtx 1066. this configuration can launch any game at 2k resolution, some games, like gta5, - at 4k but without msaa and high shaders - 36-45 fps. e5 2620 costs 20$
A great game that loves a tonne of processor cores is Monster Hunter World.
The high core count will be decent for hyperv or ESX or KVM virtual box . And good to see even with such low clock speed its get decent performance in synthetics .
Has anyone ever mentions you sound like Korg from Thor Ragnarok?
I'm wondering how the Chinese motherboards differ to the western or near equivalent. I think a brief collaboration with Brian of 'Tech yes city' might be interesting as you both have similar interests.
The Chinese and Asian countries own the majority of motherboard companies. Still not sure why people think otherwise.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_hardware_manufacturers
Literally hover over the companies names, lets see who is more prevalent. ASIA.
They main difference that I'm seeing is that they lock down the BIOS from people abusing and breaking their boards. For stock they seem to be very good.
This 10 core CPU reminds me of Phenom X3. I mean, 3 cores and 10 cores are very unusual numbers in tech world. Interesting stuff and a perfect choice for video.
Perhaps a 10 core xeon is actually a 12 core with 2 cores disabled because they are faulty or because they are fine and Intel wants to sell a cheaper version.
I had a Phenom II X2 that I ran as a X4. I played Battlefield 1 and a bunch of games and it was just fine.
Not that rare, actually it's quite common on Xeon family.
There are Huanzhni dual xeon x79 boards. Would be interesting to see one of those.
not only with the upgrade option. I maxed out ram to 1333mhz 64Gig E52687 xeon 8 cores at 3.7ghz x2 and board x79 dual. under 750 with an already 1080ti and its pumping 300+FPS on max 720 settings with all cores at less than 30-35% and 140-170fps on 1080 medium with v scale and less chopping but the core speed at 3.7 on the first 2 processors at 60% load with overwatch was impressive.. I wonder what a 2080ti would do... But motherboard parts and the quality. just be careful and check caps and screws have not fallen. and yeah. turn off HT. its only for little calculations that the GPU can do in the same amount of time if you fiddle with the settings on nvidia. The only thing letting it down. its 2011 with 22nm but clock it 5-10% more, its happy and just does what the non clocked version is good. I fount these a while back... The Huanan chip is based off the old intel chipset systems but with a better bus ram speed. so if you want thunderbolt, pci-e with the PWM modulator via your power supply and it will bump upto 42v output if needed. So really glad I saw these motherboards back in late 2018. will buy another when i can afford it :) thanks phil great work.
More info on your motherboard please :)
This is an exciting platform to learn about!
I would love for you to fire up the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility to see if it is even compatible or, dare I say it, able to overclock the system!
You can use it if you get a board with the server chipset. Unfortunately the sellers do not guarantee which chipset you get, it is a lottery. In my case I bought 2 PlexHD boards, one on H77 the other on Q75.
I ran that tool, it displayed some stats, but I couldn't see options to OC.
Awesome video man! I just bought a Xeon E 1220 for my SFF optiplex! Hopefully it all works!!! SANDY BRIDGE FOREVER!!! PS. this is just my side computer. LOL.
There's an Eight core variant with hyperthreading & higher base/boost clocks 2.6ghz base. It's the Xeon 4620v2 I'm currently setting up a dell precision t6310 with one. Very good value for the money.
Also, E5-4650, 2.7Ghz, US$55.
How would this go as a streaming server? Eg, For plex and nas storage.
Total overkill.
I am still a great supporter of X79, even more so than X58. In fact, the only reason i swapped to a Ryzen build instead of maintaining my 4930k+Rampage IV Black is because of the native NVMe support on it (X79 had none, most if not all of those mobos had it added, and my X79 mobo also has a custom modded BIOS with NVMe support). However, it didn't fully replace it, as i did replace my 4930k with a Xeon 12 core CPU and has been pulling duty as my server for a while.
1st gen ryzen price is dropping rapidly and b350 mobos are dirt cheap. I would go for 1st gen ryzen but good vid mate. Really enjoy watching it.
Yea this will put pressure on old Xeon parts, so they should come down soon.
The Intel bugs mitigations also slow down the efficiency. Bad times for intel. AM4 makes more sense. In a few years upgrade to a better Ryzen.
I heard newer batch of first gen ryzen also overclocks well, some able to get 4.1GHz if im not mistaken and that frequency is Zen+ territory (first gen Ryzen is Zen)
@@philscomputerlab ikr or u cant get a a320 board thatvwoud be good to i have a ryzen 2200g and 320m board and a rx 580 8gb i will update processor soon
From benchmarks i saw, a ryzen 5 1400 and even a r3 1200 may be a better option with simillar ingame performance, simillar price (at least where i live) but having newer tecnlogies and warranty and chances of upgrade.
The xeon plataform may be a great budget rendering and professional work plataform with its superb multicore performance. Sony vegas or premiere would run great in there
Edit: also the non L version would be better than that xeon performance wise, i think.
Yes, as already stated the Ryzen (with new warranty) makes a lot of sense, especially if total DDR4 RAM installed is less than 32GB. However, the DDR3 Reg.EEC at 1600Mhz is soooo cheap. When you push to 32GB or greater, the value of that RAM on a 4 channel capable motherboard really benefits. Many CPU's can support OC-ing that RAM to 1866Mhz, too.
As for upgrading...yes, the X79 is limited. However, my next upgrade would be an E5-1680V2 from E5-1650V2. 6C12T to 8C16T....and GTX980 to GTX1080 (or 1070Ti)...in a year when prices hopefully drop.
If there is ever a decent tutorial in English to flash the Huanan BIOS so that my current 4.0 GHz cap can be extended to 4.2 to 4.5 GHz...I might get brave and do that too. Plenty of Russian sites are doing this all the time.
Sorry, I will keep my AMD Opteron 6386 SE (a.k.a. "16-Core FX Beast").
I want to see if there is any way to cheaply stuff a xeon into an itx build, especially when the cheapest am4 itx board is $100
E5-2650 V2 will make better performance.(8 core 2.60 to 3.40ghz same price)
Yup, I've got one underway :)
These boards often have Russian custom bioses that allow overclocking, but you have a locked Xeon. Did you try XTU? Maybe it would allow for higher TDP at least?
I saw nothing in XTU for overclocking.
Good for an Adobe Premier Workstation ?
Very interesting. Can you make the same tests using 1080p resolution as 720p is very vintage in 2019. Of course 1080p is GPU demanding, but what is interesting is the possibility to see if there's a CPU or RAM bottleneck.
Good vidéo !!
it shows 70 us dollars tho and 140 for this mobo aint worth it
Prices on Aliexpress seem to have gone up about $40 but you can still grab them on ebay around $40-50
There are always deals, just keep browsing and wait for discounts.
I'd rly love to see you test a similar boards with dual sockets!
maybe even virtualize all the retro gaming rigs on just one PC.. all at once ? xD
I have a MSI BIG BANG XPOWER II X79 with a i7 4820k I love it!!
Don't use "driver management software" please. You really don't know where it finds these drivers, I've had customers that used such software and it installed Malware along with the driver
Do you still get the malware if you pay ?
I have been using driver magician, slimdriver for a long time.no problems.
I used driver genius on several computers then suddenly the password didn't work any more.
@Humayun Rao. I will check it out thankyou.
Cool. Is this an actual X79 chipset? Most of these have Q77/B77 like chipsets. Would that make a lot of difference? Also your link to the board is already at 140usd...
I use two PlexHD, one with H77 the other with Q75. It does not make much of a difference besides the number of sata2/3 ports. The chipset sometimes limits you to one or two sata3 ports.
They can come with various chipsets. The RAM controller is inside the CPU, so that's the main thing.
i'm still running X79 when i built in 2o14
I just had a Dell Poweredge R510 rackmount server fall on my head. (Dual Xeon 2.4GHz, up to 128GB RAM and 14 HDs) Looked up what it's worth and... you can buy the base unit off eBay starting at just $75, or a complete unit with a dozen SAS hard drives for as little as $300 !! (Also supports SATA.) Main problem is it weighs 53 pounds. :)
Anyway now I'm wondering what to do with it, so there it is as a suggestion to play with. :)
That's true, that 2011 is very popular in Russia, but now the situation is changing.
They gain popularity in 2017-early2018 because of mining epidemy and really INSANE prices for DDR4 RAM and any gpu's upper than...idk, gt1030??? So, very popular build was to buy this platform with cheap ECC-REG DDR3 + used GPU from mining rig, or non-mining card(smth like gtx770/970/old radeons). And the whole system with 6/12 cpu, 16gb ram and a reasonable gpu costed like a new i3, 8gb ddr4 and 1050ti.
But now the situation has changed a lot. The Ryzen build cost about the same as a reasonable 2011 build(i mean 8/16+16gb), but you are getting a moder platform, that can be upgraded to 3000 series in the future; a modern ram that can be used in the future; you got all modern interfaces like sata3, nvme, usb3.1/usb-c; another important thing is the guarantee. Aaaaaand, the ryzen pc got a pretty alike performance. Especially if you overclock your ram to 3000+ MHz, or just buy already OC ram.
Idk the prices in your contry, but in Russia you can build X370+R5 1600+16Gb or B450+R7 1700+8gb for about the same price(maybe 1-2k rubles more- it's less than 20-40$). So, now there is a very little reason in building 2011 system from zero; maybe reasonable if you have 16Gb of ddr3 and gpu and you are on a very VERY tight budget.
P.S. sorry for my english. Your videos are great x)
Just put together a rig with this board and a 2560 v2. According to Speccy, the board is 118 degrees C as soon as it boots, even though all the other components are much cooler (CPU ~20 degrees C, GPU ~45), is the temperature sensor on the board just messed up, or did I get a lemon? Obviously I don't wanna run a system with a board that hot, but it seems strange that everything else is so much cooler.
If it helps any, running a Corsair Carbide 240, both 120mm fans pulling air in, got a beefy cooler similar to the ones you;ve spotlit here before from Ali Express, and a RX 580. No fans pulling hot air out, but with everything else staying cool I wouldn't think that would be an issue. My last spec in here was a 1650 v2 w/ stock Intel cooler, everything else the same, and it stayed comparatively frosty.
Sorry to dump all this in a comment, but there isn't a lot of talk about these boards outside your channel (at least not in English haha)
Thanks to anyone who may have some insight
The sensors on the motherboard are giving false readings it's pretty much present on all Chinese motherboards
@@kruxdt6307 Awesome, thanks for the reply. That's what I figured but I just wanted to be sure
this was a pretty decent video. Good job.
If only these motherboards were priced competitively we'd have some real value here. Still if games continue to better utilize multiple cores in the future maybe these system will be a better value than they seem? It's definitely hard to justify some of these older Xeons when you can find Ryzen motherboards new for $40usd.
We really need to locate a deal like this that is also overclockable. These things would scream if we could ramp them up! Last Xeon I built was a w3690 on HP Z400 motherboard and overclocked using XTU.
Yea I'm hoping Ryzen will put some pressure on prices with these old parts. It's true, when a deal is going on, you can get a brand new Ryzen board for very little money.
where? send me a link brp for the ryzen mobos at 40! thanks in advance
Core i5 2400 has a way *stronger* single core performance...
But can it handle streaming?
@@Driendel No but with the help of a good GPU yeah, But not ideal and nor the Xeon will offer you a noticeable better streaming both quality and performance.
@@Russell970 Even with all cores overclocked? i'm checking out every processor/motherboard combinations that i can buy with a low budget. E5-2680 + X79 seems to be the closest to what i'm looking for.
@@Driendel Go for the Xeon E3-1230V2 (i7 3770), it costs around 65 dollars on Aliexpress and offers you both good gaming and streaming performance, Any H67 motherboard will work just fine with the bios version 0150 or newer, You can find a h67 motherboard for very cheap on Aliexpress :)
There are many processors to choose, you can get E5-1620v0, or 1650v0 or v2 and motherboard that can OC them to 3.9 or 4.2.
you can get Xeon E5-2637 v2 if for some weird reason you want a quad core ru.aliexpress.com/item/Intel-E5-2637-v2-2637-V2-Quad-Core-3-5/33000010396.html
and don't forget the double of memory channels, m.2 slots, PCI express 3.0
I'm glad this came up. This is pretty neat and I would love to test this out at some point.
There is more to come, so don't rush it :D
Budget high core count gaming CPU? You bet it's a Xeon!
"gaming" is not something I'd associate with it
Threadripper? Because its one of the few that can actually game 4k (where you're completely GPU bound, so I run 4x GPU, and that's where the 64 PCIe lanes is nice! 9900k only has 16x PCIe, so that's like good enough for 1 GPU and would perform about like my FX with its Titan Xp, which is exceptionally GPU bound!). So high core count gaming, that just calls Threadripper to me!
It works good since TR is top 5% binned Ryzen, it runs faster than the 1800x chips they binned it from, and easy to cool, so even if you just turn off half the cores or got the 1900x 8 core, then either way it beat the fastest desktop Ryzen since its just binned from it. The new 2nd gen TR is just binned 2700x packed together, 3rd gen might be interesting...
Very nice overview! Only the CPU FAN header is PWM? The others are full speed?
Well done Phil 👍
Seems the CPU lets this build down? I like the look of the M/B, will have to watch the video again as I missed some of the specs but I do like the layout and the colour.
WOWZERS THAT MOBO IS MATX???
I'm a big fan of playing videogames on PC but I live in South America more exactly in Colombia, here the new hardware it's just too expensive even used hardware is very expensive... So what I do it's just watch TH-cam videos of people building amazing PCs with hardware I dream having it but I won't be able to afford it, even those "budget builds" with new PC parts are too expensive for me here because imported stuff pay too many taxes. These Chinese bundles make a lot of sense for us here...
I will continue looking for value items from AliExpress!
Yup. Sandy Bridge FTW
I saw ivy bridge
in UK 8GB non-ECC DDR3 second hand in CEX £25, equivalent to $35US
in germany registered ecc 16gb is around 30€ and non ecc 10 bucks more
ddr3 is a steal with nowadays ddr4 prices
I have a e5 2680v2 still quite the beast, have 64GB of DDR3 in there (4x16GB) running at 1650MHz CL8 (BCLK of 103,3) doesn't seem to bottleneck my gtx 1080 too much :)
Low bclk, try to set up 1.3-1.35 voltage for cpu and 106.5 bclk minimum.
@@MrRomanvideo If I could only trust Google (which is a stretch) to help me translate through the massive amount of golden information on many of the Russian TH-camr sites, that would be great. Especially that Dr.Abgreyd. That man can do some magic with these rigs. You guys have really have this sh!t figured out!
Excellent video. Building computers using this platform could be a great way to assemble computers from old parts and make money. Prices on new computer gear in Canada are very high, and many people would like the price/performance ratio of this equipment.
The problem with building computers in that way for people is the after sales support, ie. they *will* come back for help with a gazillion different issues (and if you're using OEM Windows licenses then you're obliged to help, or you could sell the PCs with Linux and just let the buyer get Windows on their own if they want to). Unless one can handle that somehow, the time taken up can make the whole thing uneconomic.
It can also quickly become a saturated market, and remember you'd be dealing with the kind of buyer less likely to understand the rationale of why what you have for sale makes more sense to buy then rival product X or cheaper product Y (ie by definition they're buyers with low budgets and little technical knowledge, otherwise they'd be buying something better and/or building it themselves). It can become a race to the bottom with thin margins, and the profit for a whole month can be wiped out by just one disgruntled buyer who demands a return & refund (whether their claim is legit or not).
Alas the pen & paper math of buy-low-sell-high rarely translates smoothly into the real world. It can sound great, but things go wrong, there are unexpected costs, it can be time consuming, etc. Remember the Penny Blossom episode from BBT? :D
@@mapesdhs597 Thank you. What you say makes sense.