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What was your first wheel?
just recently got a t300rs gt from black friday deal for 300 euros :D
lol ferrari 458 spider wheel for xbox, still want to buy a proper force feedback wheel
First wheel was the official Microsoft xbox 360 wheel. Then a very faulty Thrustmaster tx, and then when the guy who was supposed to fix it stole it, i downgraded to a very faulty Thrustmaster tmx. Now i have nothing. Fun times.
Cant remember my first wheel, it was a bungee cord one that I did not enjoy. Soon after that I got my first FFB wheel the Logitech driving force pro, which I received in December 2003 and I have been racing ever since
Logitech Momo, now I own G923 with Shifter on a DIY cockpit very strong... it's crazy how logitech still with almost the same wheel... I don´t wanna be the guy who ask after a guide. But I live in venezuela and i'm thinking about get a Moza R5 or Fanatec CSL DD, because my budget, so... In your direct opinion wich one would you pick?
Beside that, thanks for your content!
(BTW: I play on PC)
I brought my first wheel a Logitech G920 at super low price Black Friday offer of £179. WHY I haven't Ihad a wheel and pedal set before is beyond me! I am having so much fun!! 😊👍
Bruh 179 is a freakin steal 👀
Enjoy mate, I got the G29 few months ago on sale and it's the perfect pair with VR for Beamng and truck Sims.
I bought g920 black friday 2022. After that things snowballed a bit and now i have Simucube 2 pro, VRS pedals and full aluminium rig, so be prepared to spend a fortune on simgear😂
Same here, just got a refurbished G923 from Amazon for $250, thinking why did I wait so long. It’s a lot of fun, currently started on ACC.
I got mine for 160£ with shifter!! Loving it learning to drive while also zooming on no hesi! Anyone ever wanna play let me know ha might even show eachother some cool settings or maps
I’ve started with a T150, after a couple of years I upgraded to a T300GT , which is an excellent option for me still today if you don’t want to go for a DD , now I have with my T300 an acelith MC mod rim, a Ferrari 599x rim, TH8A shifter and the T-LCM pedals with the loadcell .. will stay like that till thrusmaster makes an “affordable “ DD or will have to change to an other ecosystem in some years
I simply use a G25 given to me by a mate for free many many years ago, on my boyfriend’s desk! I’ve spent all my money on upgrading our gaming PC, a Quest2 VR headset, and DLC. See no need to upgrade my wheel until it breaks, I still get top 5 results in RF2 races with it! Even then I might get a second hand G29 or something 😂
I build my first simracing setup few mounts ago for around $700 (using Xbox series s)
Thrustmaster tx base-used
Th8a shifter- used
T3pa pro- used
Sparco r383 wheel- used
NanoRS wheel stand- new
Thorough review! Thanks. I continue with my Logitech EX5D12 which is a fantastic mid range set up
Don't forget the CAMMUS C5, an excellent Direct Drive option at a very competitive price.
Especially if you have little space and don't have a cockpit, it can fit anywhere.
He did provide an overview of the Cammus C5 @ 9:45
I bought the Thrustmaster T248 last year. I'm glad I bought this one. I love it!
The force feedback is great and the 12 extra 'buttons' are a great feature
Just bought a T128 as my first wheel and im very pleased with it.
Still running a t300Gt several years later. The wheelbase and wheel itsefl are simply good enough. I don't feel they're holding me back at all. The pedals however are fairly weak. The T3pa brake pedal leaves a lot to be desired.
I think the T300 pairs very well with the SHH Newt shifter.
My first wheel, that I still use for ETS2/ATS is the Logitech Driving Force GT (2007!). It was the predecessor of the G27.
It was gear based, and came with an up/down stick shift permanently molded on the right side, as well as padel shifters that did have the large padel wings. People still sell the DYI mounts to put padels on is, or print your own. IT's archaic by today's standards and the pedals aren't great, and only 2. But it has done me OK until now. I drifted more to the flight games than racing, so it does the trick.
Price variance from region/country to country really plays a big role here. Where I am you cannot find a G29 lower than 330 euro. Whereas the T128 is at 180 to 200. Its the clear winner from the two wheels hands down for that price difference.
I’m building a gaming room and I’ve always wanted to get into iRacing but really don’t have any idea what kind of equipment to get or anything like that. Loved this video for information. Thanks
Around a year ago I got my T300 RS GT set and a TH8A shifter for €415 total, adding some cheap QoL upgrades from Etsy and 3DRAP, it has been a great experience and value so far and totally worth it in order to see whether "this whole sim thing is for me".
Conclusion: Next week I will upgrade to Asetek's La Prima wheelbase and probably not leave this rabbit hole any time soon ..
Just upgraded my old T150 to the T300RS with the Ferrari SF1000 wheel and im loving it so far!
I will Definitely upgrade the base to the T818 if i ever have the money though!
Be aware of the Logitech G29 noise level - sometimes gears are producing clanking noise like it's a jackhammer (when I setup it to my desk - my neighbors downstairs got real mad, they thought I was doing apartment repairs in the middle of the night).
Great wheel otherwise for its money, served me well for more than 5 years and is still going.
It is a great wheel and God damn the noise is so annoying but I do wish it was a little stronger somehow. But I guess I need to upgrade now. Been playing on it for almost 4 years now
I had a g923 with a super basic seat, sold them both and upgraded to a r12 and actual seat.
I’ve been heavy on sim racing especially drifting for 3 years but for some unknown reason I never bought a e-brake 😂
You are advertising fanatec without mentioning the delivery problems and the qr1 problems. That's not right.
Thousands have been waiting months for their fanatec orders.
Sad but most of these people have a deal with them or work in some way with Fanatec. That's why the ignore those problems. I just commented the same thing. I disregard there tips when I hear them push Fanatecs garbage as number 1. They also seem to find imaginary deals for Sim Equipment. There pricing is way off when you start looking to buy Sim gear based off the information provided.
I think that a good set of load cell pedals makes a much larger difference in feedback or consistency than the wheel you start out with.
My first wheel was the csl elite bundle f1 and I loved it. just wish that they would have offered the gt dd pro around the same time, as I wanted to have ps5 compatibility. The csl elite wheelbase for playstion was just too much for me at the time for it still being belt driven.
I bought a DFGT to play the Tech Preview of Assetto Corsa, back in 2013.
I pledged to only buy something once the DFGT breaks. Now i'm praying for it to break so i can be forced to buy something else.
Sure, i upgraded the pedals and i'm using the G Shifter, but the wheel itself is still rock solid.
I have a Logitech GT Driving Force Wheel with just the throttle and Brake pedal. I have had it for 10+ years and got it for a steal at Goodwill for $25 it still works but I'm ready fro something more powerful and accurate.
cammus c5 and t3pa pedals for abt 350 you get direct drive and it is easily mounted on desk
Just bought my first wheel ..f gt 2 can’t wait to try it when I’ve set it up
Got the T248 along with the TH8A shifter for about 400€ when the wheel came out. Looking to upgrade to a 480€ CSL DD with the McLaren wheel. How much do you guys reckon I can get for the shifter and wheel?
G29, or CSL DD or Moza R3 or R12... there basically the main 4 I'd consider.
Although G923 does seem to spin faster than a G29
I've been seeing a few videos about the PXN v12, I was wondering if you had plans to review it, since i am genuinely curious about it.
Good job on the video. It’s so hard to select your first hardware. PC or PlayStation compatibility? I was focused on PC so I started with a Thrustmaster TMX Pro bundle. Fanatec is great I’m sure but lately their warehouse delays and lack of communication and proprietary ecosystem are major negatives. Moza I think would be the best starting point. Personally I upgraded to a Cammus DDWB 15, wheel, and pedals bundle under $1000 US. I recently added the Moza KS wheel and Moza hub. This hobby ain’t cheap!
I went for the Cammus C5 and didn't think I'd regret it, but then I felt the call of Gran Turismo 7. Having so much fun with that, even at 1080p 60FPS "low settings" that I almost wish I'd shelled out more for a PS-compatible DD.
C5's an unbeatable value, I'm gonna hope we get a GT7 PC port sometime. That would be the friggin' best, man.
@@nickstarlingchGT is PS exclusive, it never has left PS ecosystem
It ain't cheap at all! I just ordered the Moza R9 but I'm coming from a Logitech G920 so I'm super excited for the upgrade 😁
@@nickstarlingch I'm in the same boat. I don't have a PS5. I do hear their are some universal hubs out there that might allow you to use PC sim gear for PS5 but I haven't really explored it.
I got 2nd hand fanatec csl v2.5 and it has been amazing coming from g29
I have a TGT, is is worth going to the DD pro?
i got a TMX pro set , TMX is the xbox twin for the T-150 pro just meant it came with triple pedals , was around $300 been enjoying it for 3 4 years now
I know people hate the Thrustmaster t248 but I got one from Best Buy that was an open box for 264 and for the price, I think it's better than the logitech options for sure. Currently that wheel goes for 400 us dollars.
Hi! I’m starting up racing on F1 23 on PS5. Looking for budget wheel. Will the Thrustmaster T80 work on PS5 or do I need to look at the T150 or the T128? Potentially looking at upgrading to the Logitech GW29?
Honestly I have a Microsoft Sidewinder with force feedback I got for $30 and it's pretty good for the money. That'd be my suggestion
Of course this video come out right after I bought a fanatec direct drive wheel time to play the waiting game with fanatec
Did you get yours yet? 5 Nm or 8 Nm?
@@Cloxxki I got lucky with my order it came in a week after I ordered it
@@Cloxxki 8nm
Logitech 923. True force and a good brake pedal is where a beginner gets hooked! Now I’m looking at direct drives… expensive hobby, but crazy fun.
Pxn v12 lite is a really good wheel as well
G920 got me hooked. Onto a DD Pro now with a few different wheels
Same! Just ordered a Moza R9 with Quick-release 😀
Very informative, thanks! Can I suggest you speak a little slower when giving the model numbers, or having the names printed on the screen? I was not able to make out a couple of them, including after trying a couple of times.
Again, really appreciate the thorough video and subscribed!
Thanks for the video, I'm looking for a Thrustmaster steering wheel.
IMO, except super cheap 2nd hand G29/T150, right now the Cammus C5 is a no brainer for an entry-level wheel, it costs around €300 shipped here in Europe and its immensely better than any other Logitech/Thrustmaster/Fanatec belt driven wheel.
I just got an op deal on a g923 for 150$ used with a shifter and pedals
My first wheel is the 3d printed wheel piece for my controller
But im buying the t300rs this month as my first set up
Logitech's TrueForce is okay if you turn it down as if the level is set to high then it feel horrid in grid 2019 I only have it set at 10 on my g pro wheel any more than that and it just feels useless
I just got a CSL DD with a Universal Hub V2, The Clubsport 320 leather wheel and the CSL pedals. My shifter I got a Moza HPG a few months earlier.
I went with the CSL pedals with the Loadcell upgrade, as I'm planning on modding the clutch and brake with Race Sim Engineering kits, to get that two stage clutch feedback. Also, I need to add some rubber pads onto the pedals stoppers, as they are too loud when you Toe-heel it.
This is my thirt wheel so far. My last one is a G29 which will be sold to a friend from the office.
My first wheel was a Thrustmaster Ferrari 458 wheel. No feedback and it was mainly for Euro Truck Sim.
I have a question, i have a H shifter 6 gears, how does that work with truck simulators ?
Pxn v12 dds review please
I got my wheel second hand for £30 but it retails new for £60 at a shop in the UK called B&M Bargains - XR Racing Wheel V2 and it works fine , but when it comes to Racing Wheels there is a lot of flexing and snobbery as not everyone can afford what some people call " Cheap " .......
Just snatched a thrustmaster t500rs set in mint condition only for 200 euro. Used market is less trustable but the best money to performance ratio.
My first wheel IS the logitech driving force GT but its clearly too old and im gonna get a Csl DD soon
The TX, T300 are excellent choices for solid racing. It will last until the budget and desire allows for better equipment. Or to realize sim racing is bot a big deal for you. I rocked my Tx to dust, amazing
T300rs i sold it because i was bored and covid came and buy the csl elite and now i have the gt dd pro 8nm with v3 pedals and 5 whells...with a playseat challenger...only for ps4/5 my pc is broke😢😢😢😢😢😢
I got a thrustmaster tmx for 60$ now just waiting to upgrade pedals!
The MOZA R3 should be coming out in February for 400 usd. But shipping is alot. Best to goes through of of thier resellers.
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I have a g29 and am looking at getting a nlr gt lite pro as I want a folding rig for space reasons and my current wheelstand is a bit dodgy. I also am looking at the pro over the regular to give me more headspace in case i want to upgrade to dd and load cell in the future.
Does anyone have any other suggestions of things like that i should look at? My only requirements are that it has to be able to fit in a small space (ideally folding for that reason), needs to have a shifter plate and needs to be more of a budget option (max around £300)
I picked up a NLR GT Lite and a g923 on sale on black Friday here in the States. I can't speak for the pro but I've loved my GT Lite thus far, so I'd imagine the pro would be just as good. It's a lot sturdier and comfortable than I though it would be. It is a bit tricky to get it to fold but it becomes a lot easier once you get used to how the folding mechanisms work.
I got the GT omega apex wheelstand, folds up pretty small but is really heavy, I have it with my g29 and combined they weight almost fifty pounds, maybe more
I have a G920 for sale if anyone is interested. Comes with pedals (modded with GTEye brake spring) and Logitech shifter. Issue with pedal inputs flickering (may need a sensor clean)
Did u wrap your csl wheel rim? It looks different in materials with the stock one
no. its the old p1
What’s the difference between G920 and G923?
Hello - very long boring story cut short - I've been using my Rog strix/scar beast of a laptop (nvidia rtx 3080, ryzen 9 5900hx with 1080p 300hz 3ms panel) - hooked up to 165ms 1440p 27" external monitor via usb-C to display port for highest frame rate (165hz,whereas hdmi limited to either 60 &/or 120hz). Been using monitor with folding playseat & logitech G29. Absolutely thoroughly enjoyed it but sold a fortnite ago and regretted since.
I'm due an upgrade though & felt as such before getting rid. Question is; What do I go for?! I'm in two minds between fanatec dd with Loadcell pedals or simply thrustmaster rs gt & t3pa pedals.. I used to play assetto corsa & iracing. Not fastest racer in world yet but struggled with fov & only practiced around 6month - consistent top half finisher. I don't know the differences between all of the different fanatecs csl / elite(s) and versions Vs.. the pros or cons.. nor pedals..I have the knowledge of gear driven < belt driven < direct drive. And load cell pedals better than none, but many other factors too of course
Reality of situation is was moments away from setting off to pick up thrustmaster t300rs gt with stand tou drag upto a chair - 4 months old 200gbp - this morning. Didn't happen as was debating...Then decided YOLO!! Was in the process of setting off this evening for a fanatec DD wit load cell pedals and booster kit in a folding next level racing seat for around 600 this eve - BUT - somebody beat me to it.
Atfirst was totally gutted as I was impulse buying and we all know how excited we get as MEN... but maybe uts a sign to just stick with thrustmaster, enjoy the upgrade from my G29/G920 and enjoy the VR too as never used before... THEN upgrade again next yr or something to fanatec..?? I'm just a bit stuck and chronic overthinker, been frozen wirhbdecision paralysis all day!! Hoping for advice on best wheels/pedals, maybe in order and / or pros cons of the mid/top end range. Then there is the moza r9 which I have been advised to go for but I'm aiming to buy pre owned & not many about.
Another thing to potentially note is I aim to purchase and use with quest 3 VR headset.
Any advice taken, very much appreciated & thankyou for reading!
I ordered the CSL DD Bundel today for 3,99€ with accessories like CSL Pedale Clutch Kit, ClubSport Shifter SQ V, 2 table clamps. I paid a total of 789.39€."
The unspoken advantage of a cheap first wheel is most people won't realize how inconvenient the experience is
25euro for a second hand G25 + shifter. xD couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the listing. came in the bag and original packaging.
Before I even watch the video, if there is any non DD wheel recommended to be bought new, don't listen that it is well worth it to put the extra 100€/$/what ever it is in pounds. And nothing without at least 900degrees of rotation, and force feedback falls in to that category as well.
Did you make a selection yet? Just curious, I’m in the same boat. Thinking of buying a t-gt 2 with tlcm pedals bc the jump to a worthy DD for use with playstation is crazy. Logitech G Pro looks sick but no ecosystem.
I got a G29 with pedals for £150 and it works perfectly
How loud is it?
its pretty loud tbh@@smasherrr07
This is a long shot, but is anyone aware of direct drive wheels that work on Linux and ACC?
I had a hori racing wheel apex, the worst wheel ever and then made a huge upgrade to the t248 which is alright
G29 DFGT - $50 /Thx for the content
Would a g29 or g20 be better?
"Peanuts Money"
in AUD g29 at jb hi fi it cost $549
I have the g29, the brake however is extremely stiff. worst part about it
i have a G29 and a T300 i want to upgrade to direct drive
My expirience, i have a t300 gt (with the clutch) and it is wonderfull, i mainly do rally (rbr) so all Type of surfaces. I got it second hand for 200€ and its WAY better then a g29 in ffb and pedals, if you are looking for a cheap but solid entry i praise for the t300 as a perfect first purchase. Not that bad and a perfect step before DD, still looking for some Time using it before upgrading, been having it for about 4 months now. IMO the perfect Non DD setup
I agree bro, t300 is the best starting wheel.
Well I mean the t300 has double the force feedback so that's not surprising
I really don't know why I'm wstching this, I already have a complete sim racing set up..
For all the supposed abilities of the new value DD wheels, availability doesn't seem to be a reality and unfortunately that just makes them kinda pointless to me!
I agree... couldn't find them in stock anywhere locally, or on any simracing sites in my country. I ended up ordering my DD wheel straight from the manufacture website, where it ended up being cheaper (Moza)
1:29 aw but it's true
The only wheels I would avoid used are the t300 and TX as iv repaied tons of them at this stage, when new they are fantastic but if they had a lot of use the plastics on the inside can start to fail
so are logi better for durability? cus my used wheel is pretty much over a decade old
All tx? Looking to sell the Ferrari xbox version and haven't had an issue. Had it years with low use
I have the Thrustmaster T128, it's very small and the pedals are meh. Bought it for 115 euro's on amazon. This year i want to upgrade to a DD wheel to drive better in Euro Truck Simulator 2
i have the t150 and it works but not very good because i think something inside broke like 2 years ago
The bargains are out there. I bought my first wheel last week from Facebook Marketplace. It is a G29 with the shifter on a Next Level Racing frame for £129/€150/USD$163.
Its 2024, wouldn't be recommending fanatec any more with all their issues. Also if you want drifting a DD of some sort is a MINIMUM.
I got my first wheel for free from my moms friends boyfriend its a ferrari 458 spyder for xbox and still use it
I recently got a PS3 from a family member and I bought a secondhand Thrustmaster T300 to get my son into sim racing on GT5. Can't do in any cheaper, right? But the T300 does not work with GT5. The conrol buttons on the wheel work, but I can't use the wheel. (it worked on PS5 when I bought it) It is set on PS3, it calibrates, etc. But it does not function. I can't seem to find the right guidelines. Anyone can help me out PLEASE???? My son wants to race..
Let him race on the ps5...
Has the Thrustmaster TS-PC STILL not come down in price.... 😉
i bought a r5 today. Took me 3 hours to set up for forza 😂😂😂
Whats the game name? @10:59
Theres so much fanatec hate now but fanatec ecosysten has been great to me
i see the lag on the monitor , what none of you do is measure lag , and measure force ,there is a way to to measure force , it can be done , Arduino can be programed to move them , force meter , and measure the force . Its done all the time on motors . It takes a community that you have , some IT guys and there you go , you can get a lot of different parameters measured .
If you guys want to complete the topic of this video, I have a channel where I present bench and PCs for Sim Racing that are cheap. Plus game settings and other things so you can actually achieve good Fps with the least expense and expeienc ein computing...Thanks!
My first wheel was a Thrustmaster t80 I’m trying to upgrade to a Logitech g920 or 923
Buy a dd
@@hamaky591 I’m not made of money🤭
Jit 300 is normal budget 😢😢😢
jesus christ, I sim race since 2005 and I always prefer going for cheaper wheels, they are strudy never fail, despise the low forcefeeback and the cheap plastic look, NEVER HAD THE IDEA to get a DD some luxury pedals and stuff, so why the fuck is the low budget hardware is dedicated for "learners" ? it is not.
agreed
Don’t trust fanatic at the moment they are at best good and at worst a scam. You might not even get your wheel, if you do it could be broken and Goodluck getting it fixed.
G29 is an excellent starting point to see if you are going to like it or not. The size of the wheel is rather small, the gear grind is a bit loud, and the optional shifter is just a plastic toy. I had a nice week playing with it. After that I returned it and got myself a direct drive setup.
Mind, that more expensive setup won't make you faster. But it will make it more comfortable/enjoyable/realistic.
More expensive setup CAN make you faster.
@@EarthIsFlat456 Technically, yes. But how much faster!? 0.1s? I think this is not relevant for most of the people. If you are the top pro-racers then you probably have sponsors and can afford more expensive gear. But for "average Joe" G29 can be sufficient. At least as a start. Just check Suellio's videos.
I hated the plastic shifter and gear mechanism of G29 so for me it was a no brainer to upgrade to the direct drive wheel. But not everyone has space and money for that and then G29 can be a very good starting point. Everything is better than a controller :D
It also depends on what you plan to do with your rig: drive Forza and lap Verstappen with F1 bots OR drive rF2 or iRacing. Just for having fun any setup is better than keyboard/controller. But if you are serious about simulation then better gear will give your more immersion and feedback. But then, again, it's a small % of a small %.
@@pilkjaer It can be a lot more than 0.1s depending on the setup and don't forget that during a race especially a long one the difference adds up. Load cell pedals for example can really improve your pace and consistency. A better wheel base gives you more information and can help you for example catch a slide faster. For people that aren't particularly interested in sim racing and only play a few hours a week, yes a G29 will suffice. For anyone else, a belt-driven wheel or better and a pair of load cell pedals are recommended.
Really cheap ways to start simracing was back in 2002-2014 with Logitechs DFP and DFGT.
Sorry but G923 is way overpriced for what it is and 300$ compared to 100$ for DFGT can't be called cheap ;)
30 euro t150
Bro when a wheel is more expensive then your ps5 its not worth it.
The wheel would never go through the kind of development, marketing, the ps5 does.
The wheel is just a motor connected to a wheel controlled by a piece of software. Def not worth 1k plus
cammus c5