Is Expensive Sim Racing ACTUALLY Worth It?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ค. 2024
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0:00 - Intro
1:30 - Entry Level DD
7:30 - Full Blown Rig - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I bought all my sim racing equipment used. Lots of people drop stacks of money just to realize they aren’t good at sim racing or just don’t enjoy it. That’s where all the deals are
True it’s a waste buying it new
Same with VR
Good tip, thanks
lol me, only i bought a cheap set up used then realized I suck and don't have time to play enough to get good
@@HairyScrambler Fr. Where I live, there's loads of Valve Index and HP reverb G2s both w/ controllers for around 180-200€ and thinking that a brand new index is around 700... It's crazy to see how people waste their money on these things just to realise they don't have the commitment to use them
Dawid, just an advice, always release your hand from steering wheel when you are about to crash. DD wheels are no joke when it comes to crashes and snapping your wrist when you least expect
Learned that the hard way....
I was thinking about that when I saw his thumbs being locked in.
I was terrified and scared that he will brake his thumbs.
This comment made my wrists hurt so much
Definitely! I jammed the F outta my thumb the first week I had my DD base!
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I'm just impressed someone at Moza watched Dawid's videos and thought, "You know what, let's do a sponsor spot with this goofball"! Although, if I had that kind of money and clout, I'd find all the goofballs that make awesome YT videos
VR really adds it for me. I have trouble with Sims without it. Looking forward to seeing your vid
Yeah i stared sim racing in vr and dont understand why enyone uses monitors (out of the most competetive drivers, becose od lower vr res and thus lower precision in breaking points).
I actually went from a g2 reverb to a g9 ultrawide. VR is immersive but exhausting and uncomfortable for long stints. It’s a cool party trick to demo for friends who has never tried a sim rig before though.
As someone who has vr'ed for 4+ hour stints in things like Elite Dangerous I don't find it tiring or annoying in the slightest.
@@gregolas597 I can feel that, but I recently upgraded to a Bigscreen Beyond and the experience is SO much better. Mainly the decrease in weight does a ton for comfort.
I have a Moza R9 with SRP pedals, a Reverb G2... and I play 100% VR in AC. You're in for an epic experience!! That being said... setting up AC for VR is not plug and play. There are a few good guides on TH-cam with different settings... I have spent many hours trying different settings and trying to find a good balance between fps and sharpness/look. And I have an i7 13700K and an RTX 3090... yet it's still struggling to get close to 85-90 fps. Make sure you use CSP and Pure. I have it dialed in now to a place where it's... fucking awesome. Fighting for corners in close quarters with opponents in VR is just plain stupid epic. I love this stuff.
adding to this if I may: in the CSP (btw, you should use content manager when modding assetto at all, it makes everything a million times easier and is in general just a better UI) ffb tweaks, enable "output real steering forces to wheel" and "output real brake forces from pedal", set the force to 100% in the software and you should get the best experience possible (assuming you grab a car with both of those enabled). another thing of note is that BeamNG also has VR, you'll need to run it in Vulkan for the best experience, but it has generally been described as utterly terrifying.
oh, and on CSP+Pure, there are many preset graphics and PP filter packs out there, my personal favourite is SKY, but any half decent one will make assetto look like it has graphics from the future.
@@tiagobelo4965 In VR I feel like the PureVR PPF gives me the best overall feeling/experience... I tried SKYand some others but it was less "crisp". Maybe it's just me though...
If you have lots of cars on the track, you will quickly come CPU bottlenecked in AC, and many other sim titles. I reckon you take a look at your extra python apps should you have any in use, and see what disabling them does to your performance. Some of the very simple seeming apps are incredible CPU performance hogs, to mention a few I noticed quite heavy: car radar, sidekick, crewchief. I got Index and the same CPU as you, but 4090 and I'm essentially completely CPU bottlenecked with a large grid, any of the graphics settings does absolutely nothing no matter how high or low I go.
@@ilmariylitalo8427 I don't feel like I have CPU bottleneck but I'll have to check. My FPS is pretty constant either I'm alone on the track in practice mode or racing with opponents. That being said... I rarely put more than 20 cars on the track. But yeah it makes total sense that the more cars you have, the more CPU it will need. Also I added apps after I tuned my game and didn't notice a drop. I'm currently running 87 avg fps with lows around 73-75. It feels pretty smooth. Anything lower than that and I feel like I can't corner correctly and I start missing apexes and braking points for no apparent reason... other than input lag. Of course if I lower my graphics again it gets even better, but it's a balance. I need a 4090 but prices man... I regret not buying one before the hike.
I try with my meta quest 2 and get immediate motion sickness. Blah
I was genuinely worried for you @14:55 don't hold onto the wheel when entering a crash
Exactly you just should let go! Let go your wheel!
No you shouldn’t, but if you’ve ever driven in Assetto Corsa you know that it cuts off the FFB in direct highspeed impacts like this.
@@rolux4853Bad, bad advice my friend. With strong DD wheels, you should absolutely let go in gamed like BeamNG. Just watch Jimmy Broadvent and his challenges with a 100% DD wheel.
C'mon guys, it's just 5Nm for God sake!!
@@gerardsitja that was the 16nm wheelbase and even with my 8nm at 60% in ac its till easy af to hurt yourself with it so i dont doubt the 5nm at 100% can too
honestly, 3k for everything isnt that bad (well it is, but knowing how expensive these things can be i was expecting closer to 10k).
would love to be able to justify the purchase one day. i just simply dont have the room for it right now. already have a logitech wheel and the biggest issue is the constant set up and pack up each time you use it, a dedicated rig is needed.
Just buy a whole car for 3k LOL
Don't forget that you're also going to need to double that cost for the PC and monitor and software to run it all.
This is so much cheaper than racing IRL
Especially the R5 model, 100% worth it to someone that loves driving/racing
@@vailpcs4040 You dont actually, if you have a decent built in the last 4 years. You can play every sim game.
Also Asseto Corsa is a few dollars on sale
ACC is a little more pricey because it has so many DLC adding new cars and tracks but its not more than your average AAA game
Dirt Rally is a normal games cost, but since its years old at this point its cheaper
If you want to get into iRacing, thats when it starts costing a fortune
@@imo098765 My current pc is a low budget affair with an RX580 and it runs just about every sim on high settings at 70 to 90 fps. iRacing is the one sim i haven't bothered with yet. I want to get fairly decent before concentrating on the online multi player which is the only reason i'd consider subscribing to iRacing. It's not the best game but it has the largest userbase for multiplayer racing.
Dawid, need to try and get a shifter for the rig
I'm watching this while sitting in my Trak Racer 120, it's now my living room "chair" with my 55" oled. It's actually super comfortable compared to the many lower quality choices I've purchased. I grabbed a full Simagic setup because they are more drift and rally focused and it's been an absolute blast using it in all kinds of games from Gran Turismo 7 to WRC. The investment is pretty steep but far less than a car and you can wreck as much as you want. I think this hobby is just going to grow this decade .
That's the conclusion I came to as well. A high end setup isn't really for gamers that like racing games(unless you have $$$), but more for those without the budget or means for track days. The costs are miles apart.
Oil Baron Racing sounds like the perfect name for a Wacky Races type Mario Kart ripoff with characters themed after cartoon rich people archetypes.
Dawid another great piece of content. I have been following for a longtime now and you set your self apart by actually giving your point of view with actual emotion and those two things along with your great “tactfull” descriptions really make for some great stuff my friend. Thank you.
Once you get a proper seating position and fov it's insane. Took my passenger seat out of my car and built a rig
I really REALLY appreciate you going through all the cost-levels, showing what you get for the money. Normally you'd only see the difference between a controller & the $1000000000000 version. Honestly, thank you (and thank you to the companies who reached out for sending a variety of levels)
Ha ha he hasn't even gone through the entire rabbit hole of cost levels. There is a pedal set that costs $2500 US per pedal. A wheelbase over $3000, and steering wheels that are well north of $1000... 😂
That's not true.
Absolutely glorious mate, loving where all these videos are going
Nice to see the smile you had barreling around in the setup. As others have mentioned get your hands off the darn wheel if you're going to crash! When it comes to cost (and some of it is insane so I built my rig out of 2x4's and MDF which weighs a ton 🤣) keep in mind that sim racing is a serious hobby for a lot of racers as golf is to some people. For the next 'upgrades' I would recommend testing would be triple monitors and/or VR (Everyone has their own preference. I like triples myself.) to increase your peripheral visibility, and then for more immersion add a 'Buttkicker' (Yes. That's what it is called.) setup which will add vibration to your rig and seat which is a lot of fun if the title you play supports it. Overall sim racing is a fun little hobby for those of us that will never get the chance to drive a proper race car whether it be cost or physical size. The '79 Lotus F1 is my favorite to drive so I had a smile. Great video Dawid!
man I forgot how bad AC looks without mods
This video is the best I've seen from Dawid, yes, I like simracing, but just watching him discover new things is unique between all the pre built reviews
Amazing. Tha ks for uploading. I had a big smile watching this
Gotta love the 'giggity' comment when Dawid says 'cockpit' :)
Have to give a hats off to Both Moza and Trakracer. They gave their stuff to someone who will give a completely unbiased and honest opinion on the product AND the price. Also people that had never heard of them now got to see what they offer and how good it is, Now all those two have to do is get together and get the steering wheel mounts correct. Full marks to both companies. You have officially been Dawided!!!
You mean a completely uneducated position…
So you are saying someone trying something for the first time, their opinion about it is less valid. So unless your are an expert in X your opinion is Irrelevant?@@TheOfficialOriginalChad
@@dagdamar2000 not at all…but it’s quite interesting that you got all of that out of so few words. Does that happen to you a lot?
Not at all, but now looking at it with your reply I think you were referring to this been his first attempt at racing game setups. Not that his opinion was invalid. Thank you for clarifying your position.@@TheOfficialOriginalChad
Moza is recently throwing their stuff at people who have absolutely no clue about sim racing (and who think a G29 is a big investment) as long as they have enough followers.
Which is enough reason for me to never ever buy a Moza product (besides Simucube 2 Pro is still the goldstandard, so why buy anything else if you’re serious about sim racing?) again.
I hate such blatant marketing initiatives that aren’t focused on their target demographic.
I've bought a NLR Wheelstand 2.0 and added a self made wooden platform (painted in black of course :D) and a used BMW sport seat. Paid about 600€ for everything and I love the variability and the comfort the real car seat has to offer (can even adjust height, lumbar support, seat angle and upper leg support).
Would highly recommend something like this to anyone!
That was an awesome video with great information.
Thank you!
Such a nice and detailed review. Plenty job and effort, well done!
this is one very niche area of pc gaming where you have to dump in quite a bit of money for it to be as immersive as it needs to be. but once you get or at least try out a full on setup, its an experience thats quite amazing. a direct drive set up with a samsung ark monitor absolutely slaps as these young whipper snappers say
Imagine buying all of this stuff to play gta San Andreas 😂😂😂
Quality video Dawid, nice to get a genuine review of this stuff.
This full setup is the coolest thing I've seen on the channel in a while, this is just awesome
LMAO being poor sucks...
Could build a cardboard steering wheel hooked up with attachments to a gamepad like the guy on youtube did. 😂
Moza giving Dawid a wrist strain faster than 16 year old Dawid could give a wrist strain to himself
The end of this video has got me excited! Would love to see Dawid add a Quest 3 to this setup, or any good headset.
Vr is really great, triples are king. Do both! More content!
Enjoyed the review and watching you go through it.
Have a rig that was a multi year multi stage project, but it’s a hugely rewarding thing. Took me a weekend and change to get the frame done too.
Hopefully you get to keep it!
Driving on a teenager's face, and then I died laughing
hahahaha ikr. So visual
seems like he got the canadian version with the square wheels
I remember them days.
Tech gaming TH-camr with a manual winding watch. What a fucking Chad. Mad respect
So good that you are experiencing this with a great FFB game like AC. And VR on top of this will be incredible. Excited to see the journey.
Great job! Excellent presentation and fun to watch too!
So Anna, is he wearing driving gloves around the house yet?
Not yet but soon hahaha
"Is Expensive Sim Racing ACTUALLY Worth It?"
Is a gym subscription?
lol the answers to that is "depends on what you do with it" everyone forgets those parts, hence why he tests them out to say "is this gonna be worth it for YOU"
I gym 6 days a week for the past 7 years, if health is important to you it definitely is but most gym’s definitely make their money on new year’s resolution lock in contracts
@@makuIaOne did with me one year. I never even went once. Stupid decision, but we all learn from our mistakes, hopefully.
@@makuIa not to be that guy, but I think that was a joke about how high-end sim gear is so brutal and racecar-y that it is a genuine workout, seriously, go check out some 100% FFB challenges from people using DD wheel bases, it almost seems like they're doing a powerlifting competition during an earthquake
middle of the range is worth it. Most people dont need more than 8-9nm DD wheels but if you play 7 hrs every week, thats $4 per hour for a $1500 setup
If you buy a AAA game at $70 and its less than 14hrs, thats worse value for your time
I've watched a ton of sim rig setups and videos yet somehow you managed to re-excite my want for a full sim rog setup. With Assorta Corssa 2 coming in the near future I think I'm gonna do it. Already have the computer and VR gear just need the Mozza setup and sim rig. Also gained a sub from me. Great video!
I am so glad Moza and Trak Racer reached out to you, as this was an absolutely amazing video. That being said, I couldn't imagine having the patience to set up the stand.
Dude welcome to SIM Racing, the struggle is real and your gaming life has forever changed. Just wait till you get a motion rig and a buttkicker!!!
FINALLY A VIDEO WHERE HE TRIES BEAMNG, except it's not for cpu benchmark
It's been amazing finding your channel! I haven't laughed this hard at a TH-cam video in a while
one of the things i felt like was possibly lacking was some kind of mechanism that can jiggle your seat as you go over bumps. so i went on to TrakRacer's website and it turns out! not only do they have that product, it's like, a product CATEGORY. they're called actuators, and they seem pretty awesome.
the website itself has an enormous selection. and don't worry if you're Canadian. you can just click the little flag in the top right corner, and switch over to the American version. which has a much wider selection of products.
i was also impressed to see not only 3rd break pedals, but also manual gear shifters!! they even carry those awful "sequential" manual shifters, if you're a masochist or something.
I’m shocked an actual review, I never liked racing games because of how crappy the control is with an Xbox controller but this has made me re-evaluate that.
git gud scrub
Real big boy sim racing is expensive. But if you like it and you're reasonably good at it, then it is totally worth it
Love seeing another get into proper sim racing. Your glow up will be great lol
Nice review, enjoyed it !
Will he be doing flight sim rigs someday?
When the shipping costs of wings goes down 😉
I will use my very legitimate and daily experience as an airline pilot to judge the RealFeel factor of the flight rig.
Imo its worth it
This is by far my favourite video series and easily the coolest thing you’ve done on this channel
Learned a lot from you while building my PC then got into sim racing. I think this is a natural evolution. Can't wait to see your reaction when you try VR sim racing.
You are far too excited by this.. I don't like it 😆
We are scared also.
im sooooo envious right now!! enjoyed this very much.
Your channel is going to places, really well done.
Subbed, great video and fresh humour
Love this series!!!!!
Had my moza r5 turn up a few days ago 👍 absolutely loving it so far.
As always, awesome video
dam gud, companies reaching out to dawid this is gonna be fun, now on with the video.
would love to see more dawid reviewing other brands as well. thanks dawid for these driving lessons.
That was a pretty cool overview for someone who just started sim racing and is currently using a desk mounted g920 (it's so loud) from a friend.
I have a trak racer rig and Moza products as well. I also happened to have a VR headset and I let my friends use it, and some of them were explaining how they were getting a "phantom feel" for being inside a real car.
Love the video. You got a new sub! Fun fact, my wrist is currently recovering from injuring it with my Fanatec direct drive wheel. LOL. Now you need to add motion to the rig.
Great video! Nice to show people why we spend so much! :D (Or don't)
I'm here for the VR stuff. Will you try different headsets? Quest 3 (budget), Bigscreen Beyond (comfort), Pimax (Fov), etc.?
I had smile on my face the whole video 😂
Happy to see you express your joy and pure happiness on this video
You truly made me think I'm the one who is driving and giving it all .
Thank you David you made my day i hadn't laugh or smile for the past month or so .
Wish you all the best from Algeria ♥️
Hello Dawid, what an incredibly awesome experience. I never thought that I would be so interested in sim-racing ever before! But now after watching your amazing thorough video I am more interested than I thought I would be. Therefore thank you so much for making this fabulous guide to sim-racing for beginners like me, & if I ever have as much money as a Saudi Prince (haha) maybe I will consider buying such a setup too. Once again, thank you Dawid. cheers 🙂
Can't wait to see the VR setup!!
Those who got into sim racing in the past couple years have no idea how good they have it. There are so many choices now, and that competition has brough prices way down. I started 6 or 7 years ago and the DD choices were the Accuforce V2 @ around $1000 for a 10 Nm base, or an OSW base with 20+ Nm for $1500+. Pedals were the same way. You could get Fanatec V3's for $350-450 (for inverted), or go high end and spend $1000+. There was nothing in between because sim racing was such a small niche. I have around $5k into my setup and for me it's money well spent. At 8+ hours a week for the last 5 or 6 years, I think I've more than gotten my money's worth in entertainment out of it. It never gets old to me, especially with VR.
Great video, I slowly built up to this point and honestly VR is the pinnical. I would take VR over a rig any day but do have both.
I have a Fanatec CSL Elite on a Next Level Racing cockpit running a PS5 with PSVR2 for GT7. It’s amazing in VR feels like you’re there in the cars. Would love to try DD on this setup!
Another awesome video Dawid!
Great video David ! 🙂
Awesome video, this is the stuff dreams are made of!!!
Nice man, been looking into building a sim, definitely try VR!
My favorite youtuber reviewing sim products when i myself am getting into sim racing is awesome. Love the content dawid.
Yeah. I just built my rig a few weeks ago. It awesome watching him do it and his excitement using it.
Yeah, I definitely want to see you VR race this thing. So total cost of this experience is probably around 6-7K when you factor in the PC and the big-ass monitor (or 3). This sounds like a huge amount of money but not when you consider the alternative of actual weekend track racing. I used to amateur track race when I was young around 20 years ago and just playing around with motorcycles financially broke me let along with the actual bones. I won't describe this as a cheap activity but in the metric of hobbies, it's relatively cheap. Another thought is can you, with the addition of a flight yoke go flying with this thing?
Great video and reviews of these. Wish moza had console support for sure, love my gt7
You really rocked that drifting sequence at 4:15
i like this style of reviews where u havent tried every brand of wheel under the sun but give insightful information for an actual buyer
VR is definitely a next level for racing, I personally use Quest 3 but for better performance you may look into some dedicated SteamVR positions like Valve Index - anything openVR will do, meta requires launch app to start Steam VR which causes your PC to bottom out on the heavy load (unless you are 4090'er)
Thanks for sharing this experience, looking forward for the next one!
Long time viewer, very happy to see you picking up sim racing. In my opinion, sim racing on a decent setup in vr is the pinnacle of modern gaming.
Yes finally! Thanks Dawid!!
Loving this
I find these sim racing set up videos hilarious 😂
Keep the sim racing content coming!!!! And make sure to get on iracing
At 6:15 you gave the human kind a great gift! The freaking Nile river of meme's just got unleashed! Legend!
I haven't laughed that bad in a while, that was so funny! I love your videos man!
Great video as all ways 😊
VR is definitely wonderful for sim racing. I've got a rig, just a G29 I got for cheap, as well as a used Quest 2 and it's exciting to use.
I love my Moza R5 and the feedback is amazing!
Hi Dawid ! thanks for the video! I really like the first car you drove and your t-shirt! ;) I'm an alfa romeo driver (as my whole familly since my grandfathers ! ) and I would like so much to buy the guilia !
Definitely! You should do a Quest 3 VR race sim video !
I've driven big, powerful cars fast on tiny Italian roads and this genuinely reminded me of it
Really cool build , the structure is basically based from 3D printers like creality printers with wheel and pedals added but the difference in game experience is crazy
'Screwing until my eyes watered' yea this is the only way I will be doing that too.
subbed for the laughs but solid content too cheers!
Good stuff. There's less to break on a DD setup too, like the skipping cogs on my old G27.
(BTW, the link to Round 2 goes to the edit page. I wasn't trying to hack your channel, honest.)
Your info is top notch bud
I was about to write the next step is a VR headset but you ended the video with that.
I have been driving Assetto Corsa in VR (HP Reverb G2/RTX4070ti) for 2 years now and its awesome.
Still with my T300 but I like the MOZA stuff very much, thanks for the video....
Looking forward to your VR experience.....
You need to get yourself on automobilista 2. Big update recently. It's such a great game now. As always, love the videos. Gear looks awesome. And keep it up.
AMS 2 is great, just wish they had more F1 tracks. They have most, but still missing good ones. The physics in that game is top notch, from having to consider temp of tires and brakes, to weather changes and driving outside the racing line. 8/10 for me.
You're going to love VR sim racing, the spacial awareness it adds makes racing a lot a easier. I'm at the point now where no VR = no buy. Although, you do need a Saudi oil baron's PC to make it look pretty.