Not gonna lie, started watching your videos recently, and this is honestly one of the most fantastic review channels on TH-cam. All of your stuff has been super helpful.
@@bhavaniprasad7084 If you are new to sim racing I would recommend the R5. If you sim race every day go for the R9. I am sure the R5 will hold it's value so reselling it shouldnt be a problem if you want to upgrade later.
@@boigetyourassready3796 Yeahh, size of the base doesn't normally matter too much, just depends on the torque of the force feedback and the indepthness, and that is perfect for anything
Im not a fanboy, but i got the Moza R5, i play pretty casually, but im really surprised how high the quality is of this wheel, and the force feedback is butterysmooth, there is plenty of power in the wheel. Most pros plays around 3-4 Nm anyway.
@@WREX__RUE_ well i read alot of reviews and customer feedback before i bought, and I never heard anyone having serious problems with Moza, and if they did, Moza has great customer support.
I like Moza and I still don't have one because I'm still debating myself between R5 bundle + Alienmods loadcell and R9 + Moza R5's wheel + SR-P Loadcell.
Just got a DD setup last week. Been using Logitech wheels for many years, but after getting into iRacing, I found that I wanted something more accurate, without the noisy and jittery gears that the G-series wheels have. I actually got the SR-P (non-Lite) pedals from Moza a few months back, since everyone says the brakes are the most important thing to upgrade, and I wanted the load cell accuracy. I'd been debating a lot on wheels/bases, was wanting to get the R9 with the RS V2, but a Labor Day sale at Micro Center just couldn't be ignored. I got the R5 bundle (of which I'm not using the pedals) for just $400, then sold my G29 for $100, so it's like I got the wheel and base for just $300. XD I'm absolutely loving it so far, but I definitely would like to get a bigger round wheel at some point, and potentially a second wheel for GT/open-wheel racing.
@@OMY2FYB I have no experience with the Fanatec hardware, so I have no point of comparison. That said, it seems like you can get products from Moza much more readily and quickly than Fanatec, who seems to constantly be sold out.
I had almost same route, I did get the SR-P pedals last August, and I had G920 which went as a gift down the line. Reason was to get bit better feeling, and how weak FFB was in some cars so as to feel what is happening. Well there was a short side track (lack of inventory, and timing with me moving) and I just ended up ordering Moza R9 and RS V2. And a side note about the SR-P pedals, I hope you also bought the accessory kit available, as it improves the braking feeling a lot compared to that abysmally loose spring they provide with the pedals.
@@RetroGenetic I ended up going with the R12 instead of the R9 (mostly because it was in stock locally) and the RS V2, and I love it. I didn't get the spring kit, and the stock brake spring is currently working fine for me.
@@DieselWeasel you are missing a lot with the yellow spring while the elastomer is more of a personal taste. What's in stock is often the most important factor when you buy something, isn't it? xD
@@Bigbaz-bj8io I forsure think it's enough. personally to me, it gets crazy. turning force feedback all the way up and trying to drift or even race is pretty hard and is very fun. feels really strong, can't imagine what a 12nm or the 20nm+ wheels would be like. I love the wheel
@Bigbaz-bj8io yeah i use the pedals with the combo. I love them, they're kinda stiff though, my legs get tired on American truck simulator but it wouldn't be an issue with actual racing
Legitech didn't expand on their ecosystem, I think because they're mainly a mainstream peripherals brand. They're not too focused on only cars and car sims like the others!
I bought the same bundle with the shifter and Hub. I thought with the Hub I could connect everything on my NLR rig and run a single line out to my computer. Nope the Hub doesn’t work with the bundle. The Shifter would not calibrate due to the reverse sensor not working so they both went back. Took 3 months to get the refuge. The wheel and pedals? The longer I have them the more I like them. 5.5Nm is plenty. Highly recommended. Nice video.
@@giulianogrcic3709 shipping was 2-3 weeks? They were upfront about the shipping time and meet the scheduled time. Not an issue really. And love the Preformance of the set.
Just picked up the R5 bundle. Then picked up a NLR Wheelstand 2.0. Tried using the desk mount, but the ergonomics were terrible, especially with the pedals sliding when breaking and accelerating. Can't wait to mount my rig up.
@@eternalglow6483 nah, my desktop is 1.5" butcher block. I said the ergonomics were bad, and pedals slid on carpet with out the stand. Not that it wasn't sturdy.
I've had a T500RS with T3Pa pro pedals and TH8a shifter for 10yrs n it's still goin strong, it cost £500 back then and to be able to go DD for the same money now will be nice when I finally need to upgrade.
During my search of videos about wheel stands, I've recently watched your NLR Wheel Stand 2.0 review and now I've just discovered this review of the Moza R5! I literally purchased the Moza R5 two weeks ago and I couldn't find any video matching an R5 with a NLR Wheel Stand. Glad I found your video. I have also purchased the upgrade kit for the brake and the clutch pedal addon. And I couldn't resist trying the Moza HGP Shifter as well. The next step will be definitely the handbrake to be used with Dirt Rally 2.0. My only questions is about the holes on the wheel stand matching the Moza's ones: not sure if it's been mentioned somewhere in the video (apologies in advance). If it can be mounted without drilling any additional holes it would be amazing! What's your experience on this? Thank you!
I went with CSL DD from my G920, worked my way from 2.2 NM upto 5NM and holy crap lol. Noticed with that 5NM setting i can nudge the car into the entrence of the turn super easy.
Yes! You don’t need to drill any holes to mount the R5 though I could only get 2 bolts in the base. It felt plenty solid to me like that though. Enjoy!
You can mod the cheap thrustmaster pedals for super cheap also the springs in the throttle and clutch and it makes it a thousand times better. People sell the TX version thrustmaster for a 100 to 180 and its the same as the t300 way better then the g29 .
4:40 I like that it was mentioned. Infinite rotation as not many reviewers mention. But I really miss information about hitting this set limit and description of how it feels in game. For example lets set it to 1080° and then in game try to rotate past this set point. Is it to easy to rotate further or is it extreme hard to rotate further. Why I ask is because I want to feel very strong resistance point, almost no way to rotate even 1° further. I will not explain why I prefere this that way. So by that I wonder what wheel in the future I will buy. I guess that 5nm may be to small to achieve this as I already have a wheel that is in this range (T-GT II) So I wonder if I would pick Moza then should I aim for R21 or R16 ETC. I am still seeking such review that would mention this aspect of wheel force.
@@Cosm1c_69 Oh :( I wonder if there is a way to ask questions of current owners of the wheel, or any similar/alternative models you're considering, perhaps on Reddit or even Amazon product Q&A? Or contacting these companies directly perhaps? I'd love to hear how you get on
i have noticed with mine that it depends. if you are running really high feedback then i may not even feel the lock stops since im allready a max torque but set it to a medium range and you can definitely feel the lock stops but yes they can be overcome with enough force, but you pretty much have to be trying to push through them
@@Mattvbro Yes that is my concern when I have peak wheel force on my wheel while also touching that soft lock I feel no difference and only way I can see that this is the limit of car steering lock because I see car wheel in game stop rotating and this is not ideal especially in games that unfortunately use 360 degrees of rotation like F1 or Wreckfest that also do not use even 900 degrees of rotation. So I think that to get this soft lock feeling it is better to have wheel that have about 12-16 nm of force. But also game must have soft lock mechanics implemented and I mean especially for games that vehicles have different range of steering wheel rotation, like BeamNG. Some games do not have soft lock and it is needed to manually set wheel soft lock in wheel software (example ACC)
Great video! Thinking about getting into this sim stuff to practice my driving during the winter, (have a Porsche 981 that I store for the winter). So I don't know if I'll even be racing, (though I'll probably try it). And it sounds like regular Assetto Corsa is best for my needs. So should I go directly to this DD set-up to get a closer, more realistic feel of my actual car, or would a G29 or T300 be adequate to start off?
How is the throttle pedal in this bundle, I guess the load cell is just for the brake? Is there some kit to give the throttle also some resistance or does it have good resistance as it is? Thanks for the video it was quite helpful, I might get this bundle I just want to make sure the pedals will not disappoint me directly. Are you happy with them overall?
It's... okay lol no adjustment to the throttle. You definitely want the brake upgrade to not be disappointed with the pedals. I'm still using them with the R16 currently. I'm happy with them but hope to upgrade sometime.
fact: you can use moza on ps5/4 (not sure abt ps4) you can find a tutorial on google so that you can connect the base to the PS and you just need to update the wheel/ base on PC and with the app it should work btw its my bday soon and i will get the r5 budle but later this year im gonna save up for the KS butterfly (NEW) wheel to use in ACC it realistic (both)
As much as I think Moza R5 is good for entry level DD Bundle, a huge downside is putting SR-P Lite in the bundle instead of the SR-P Loadcell. Moza R3 has the same Lite pedals. They really should've put the SR-P Loadcell in the bundle.
I was in the same situation as you are. I went with Logitech and 6 months later, went with r5. Worlds difference. You’ll always upgrade sooner or later if you go Logitech
So this wheel still doesn't support Forza Horizon 5 without any extra steps, 2 years after the game was released? Seems like the Moza devs are not really interested in this game series, which is still quite popular.
Cause forza horizon 5 is copy paste garbage. All it has is good graphics. As for the game it’s self ? Garbage. This is coming from a die hard forza fan. Once I played assetto corsa and beam ng, I realized how shitty forza was.
Agree that horizon 5 is a joke with a wheel but motorsport is actually very good - so much so that it's in the same ball-park as Assetto I'd say. Out of all the sims and simcades I've tried with a few different wheels, outside of Assetto I think motorsport is the best @@charlesjackson5745
Man id buy the Logitech pro wheel as a upgrade from the 923 if it wasn't $1000 for JUST the wheel and then $300 more for the pedals they are crazy asking so much for that wheel I have no doing that is really good but $1300 Dollars good I don't know about that man id rather get a fanatic csl dd with shifter e brake and load cell kit you can get all of that for about 650-700 dollars I'm pretty sure that's what I'm going to go with
Thanks for the roundup interesting I'm considering buying one but don't know if it will work in old games I haven't got any new games and don't want them I'm only driving Grand Prix Legends I wonder up any of your viewers have done this
I would like to buy for me the bundle r5 and the steering wheel for american truck simulator. But I'm not sure if the r5 bundle is compatible with that steering wheel. Since it is a bundle, I'm not sure 😕
I've been using Logitech g29 for 4 years now.. Just 2 days back I got my R5 bundle! OMG the driving experience and feedback is 100 times worth it! Loving it and who says expensive wheels don't make you faster, I'm already breaking personal records on ACC with the R5!!!
I keep hearing the Moza racing wheelbase burns out after a couple months and the wheelbase gets very hot. I can't get answers from people who own them, so I haven't bought a setup. It seems like a risky product some people seem happy some people seem very unhappy. I want firsthand info on the experience. if anyone can post some info I would really appreciate it.
I need to purchase steering wheel motor and peddles for SONY PS5 Where do I go ? I’ve tried over the iPhone could not see anywhere it says fits ps5 ! Regards
Aside from the load cell pedal kit you dont need much else for sim racing. Anything beyond is for your own ease of use or comfort/experience. Comes down to preference. Been using a t300 Rs GT for a solid 6 months now. Thinking about going with a moza r9, GS wheel, CS wheel, CRP pedals. I have a thrustmaster th8a and a thrustmaster sparco mod hand brake. Dont use the hand brake too much tbh as I dont do much drifting or rally anymore. And the th8a is mainly used for acc like no hesi or nascar in iracing. Otherwise I use the paddles on my t300 mainly.
I have the brake pedal upgrade, although I added the clutch as well (can't drive without a clutch ahah) and the HGP shifter, which is very good. If I had the money I'd probably buy a load cell pedal kit instead of the one in the kit, but so far I'm very satisfied.
If I were to start with an R5, my first upgrade would be a sim rig / wheel stand first, which he already has it covered, then the brake pedal upgrade. Then, I'd look into upgrading my PC hardware. How far you want to upgrade your PC depends on your monitor setup and Hz target. You can go budget with single 60hz monitor, and then you need a stronger one for 144hz, and then an even stronger one for Triples.
@@X1erra Ordered an r5 bundle with the brake upgrade, gonna be building my own wheelstand and then looking at picking up a vr headset, then look at picking up a clutch and shifter to learn muscle memory etc, then I guess load cell pedals?
I just wish MOZA wheels worked more seamlessly with more games. Just bought one as my second wheel and am kind of regretting it as it is not as plug and play as a logi or a thrustmaster.
I am also starting to feel that regret. I recently got an R5 and I do really like it, but the lack of compatibility with the games I want to play plus the amount of effort you have to go through to get the FBB feeling good on certain games is starting to make me wish I got a G923 to start with.
@RedPanda_______ I am not familar with with ThrustMaster wheels so I cant really say. In terms of the R5 though, It is compatible with most mainstream games (Asseto Corza, American or Euro Truck sims) but if you want to play the more niche games like My Summer Car or Mudrunner, you are gonna have to sink sometime into getting the wheel to work.
I have a question, because it seems nobody really answer this question when reviewing product, is this something for a simcasual player? or they call it simarcade, I don't want to be competitve or do any Iracing, I do however want to play the new motorsport from forza (i just hate playing with the controller and want something similar to real driving) I will play some F1 24 and beyond because I love f1 and enjoy playing career mode, so mostly against AI but also my American Truck simulator. I really want to invest in moza rather than logitech or trusthmaster because of the aftermarket part available and how their ecosystem works together, I see they have an R3 bundle, and R5 bundle not even sure which one to get, I know they have a truck wheel as separate to use with any of the wheel base. So what product for someone like is recommended? the R3 (i may occasionnaly play with my xbox but i can live without it) I will mostly play on PC because of truck simulator, the r5? the r9? they have so many too choose from but the price is pretty much for the wheel base and not the wheel I just like the fact that you can buy a bundle ready to play with pedals and all to enjoy the simulation. Hopefully someone can give me an answer or maybe Mr 9to5toys can provide me with a link to a video if he did something like this in the past. (Also sorry english is not my first language so some words or sentences might feel off)
Does your srp lite pedal stay connected in pit house? My pedals only show connected when I hit the gas or brake then immediately disconnects after I let go of gas or brake. Is that normal?
Yeah it's tiring spending hours and hours watching hoping to make the right choice based on the opinions of each TH-camr. Are there sim racing store that you could try different wheels?
You can as of now get the R5 bundle with the extra clutch pedal, Performance brake upgrade, and gated manual for $676. Imo, this is 100% the way to do it now. For less than $700 you're getting a setup that you'd realistically be fine with forever. By the time you get a manual shifter for the thrustmaster logi your $250-$300 away from getting the r5 with everything. Sure you're saving $250, but chances are you're going to want to replace it with a DD eventually anyways making the savings kind of redundant.
but you cant upgrade the R5, if i understand right, the SRP pedals are not compactible with R5 base, and if you want to jump from R5 to R9 or higher you need to change the base and the pedals which are the most expensive parts, plus the 3th pedal and brake upgrade for SRP (for example), cose SRP light are made for R3 and R5...however i think the R3 is waste of time/money...
i have the moza kit + clutch + two of the performace kits ( tweak one for the clutch) + shifter + hand brake all strap to DOF H3 with 3x SFU, cyber cover, monitor mount upgrade. the system is a ryzen 7950x3d + RTX 4090 + 48GB of DDR5 at 7200mhz display is a LG C3 OLED TV 4k 120hz. but i some times use my quest 3 as well
Thats a crazy setup (in terms of the pc), tho i dont think you needed to add the pc stuff, kinda looks like youre showing off for no reason (especially since literally every sim game doesnt need a crazy pc to run unless you are using mods)
I've got a Moza R5 base and IT OVERHEATS AFTER 5 LAPS, the FFB gets super weak and loses much much detail, i use decently low settings in the Pit House, in F1 23 i've got everything turned to 0 but the FFB strenght that's on 95, i tried lowering Wheel Friction and Damper a bit, but no luck, still the same issue. What's the problem with this base?
I have a 140mm computer fan blowing on mine and it stays nice and cool and gives you some wind for realism. Stays cool enough and I run mine to the limit.
I just switched from my g29 to the moza r5 bundle and its soooooo mutch better. if you think this hassant enough power YOUR WRONG! and so mutch detail. Only downside is to set it up what takes liken15 min unlike the g29 thats just plug and play
lol 'beginner' cost. $625 as a first wheel is far too expensive. When starting out you don't even know if you are going to stick with sim racing so a very basic FF wheel is all you should get until you feel its worth it. This cost doesn't even include a cockpit /stand to mount it on. In Canadian dollars this set up is almost $850 without a place to mount properly. Not a price someone who doesn't even know if they are going to stick with it should spend.
Yea but the Moza R5 doesnt work with the PS5 from what I've researched. Only reason Im going with the T300. I do want a DD but theyre like $750+ for a PS5
The Thrustmaster 300 is really not as good as people put it. Overheating which causes loss of force feedback happens after only 5 minutes of using it. Also the sound that the fan makes when in constant cooling mod is horrible.
Hi everyone,i am thinking to buy a direct drive wheel system. 1.Moza r5 bundle with sr-p lite break kit and f1 wheel mod. 2.Fanatec CSL DD (5nm) with mclaren gt3 v2 ,quick release adapter. What do you prefer? I heard that the r5 has some heating issues and in f1 game when you are cornering it loses some force feedback details. I am so much confused what to buy actually Drop your suggestions Thank you!
i have moza r5 with brake kit + 294mm carbon gt wheel mod (ali express). the moza f1 mod is 500g but this ali express one is 300g only so the force feedback is even better
Never heard that aboug the r5? It gets warm like any other DD wheel, if you run it at 100% force 24/7, but it's one big alu heatsink with no fan, so you are all good. Most pros play around 3-4 nm. No car in real life requires as much force, as a 5,5 nm wheel can generate at max, to turn on corners, even if they are without steeringassist.
is DD really worth it? Logitech for 6 years now and Im able to set top tens in DR2.0. ACC I'm a few seconds off from real world records. I feel like ppl who own G29 don't realize if you turn all the noise down from feedback and stick with self align then you can read the wheel far better. It's a wheel and shifter I can just slap on and off my desk with ease. With a lot of hobbies I see people get caught in traps where they think more money will make them better at something and it's just not the case for most hobbies I've gotten into so I never got a DD.
@@TheFrontyer ah, im getting older. I could care less about struggling harder with my wheel. I already turn my g29 settings down. I will say to drift you pretty much need a DD
@@Lansolot Then you dont understand why you get a DD wheel. Its not to make it harder, its to make it more detailed…you turn down the strenthg even more on DD, but it will rrsult in far more detailed feedback. That is the whole appeal with a strong DD wheel.
@@TheFrontyer hmmm that's kinda what I thought. I bought the TH8A shifter and it was a let down for me upgrading from the logitech one. Just better build quality, it turned me off from spending a lot. Maybe ill invest in DD now though, thanks. I'll still be a pleb and strap it to my desk though lol
Most have this judgment that they will gain seconds in the race, the DD wheels were made to give you more wraparound and asphalt details, I don't believe you can gain many seconds, with a G29 steering wheel you can run as fast as the DD wheels. The gain is much more in the immersion and for me this is worth the investment. The detailing of these dd flywheels are much greater than a flywheel per belt or gear, as I have both flywheels, believe that.
Not gonna lie, started watching your videos recently, and this is honestly one of the most fantastic review channels on TH-cam. All of your stuff has been super helpful.
I bought my r5 when they first came out. Still loving it and it has held up immaculately. I cannot recommend this wheel enough.
Is it worth to go for R9 or R5 is a solid base for ACC and f1
@@bhavaniprasad7084 If you are new to sim racing I would recommend the R5. If you sim race every day go for the R9. I am sure the R5 will hold it's value so reselling it shouldnt be a problem if you want to upgrade later.
is the steering wheel big enough ? It looks a bit too small to feel realistic
@@boigetyourassready3796it's big enough in my oppinion, but If you want to you can Just get the 12 Inch wheel Mod Which is massive
@@boigetyourassready3796 Yeahh, size of the base doesn't normally matter too much, just depends on the torque of the force feedback and the indepthness, and that is perfect for anything
Was debating between the R5 and R9, but i just play casually, so I'll be getting the R5, i appreciate the in-depth review.
my exact dilemma currently
Im not a fanboy, but i got the Moza R5, i play pretty casually, but im really surprised how high the quality is of this wheel, and the force feedback is butterysmooth, there is plenty of power in the wheel. Most pros plays around 3-4 Nm anyway.
@@R-py6uf I was hearing that the wheelbases burn out after a couple of months is that true? have you had any issues with heat in the base?
@@WREX__RUE_ well i read alot of reviews and customer feedback before i bought, and I never heard anyone having serious problems with Moza, and if they did, Moza has great customer support.
I like Moza and I still don't have one because I'm still debating myself between R5 bundle + Alienmods loadcell and R9 + Moza R5's wheel + SR-P Loadcell.
Just got a DD setup last week. Been using Logitech wheels for many years, but after getting into iRacing, I found that I wanted something more accurate, without the noisy and jittery gears that the G-series wheels have. I actually got the SR-P (non-Lite) pedals from Moza a few months back, since everyone says the brakes are the most important thing to upgrade, and I wanted the load cell accuracy. I'd been debating a lot on wheels/bases, was wanting to get the R9 with the RS V2, but a Labor Day sale at Micro Center just couldn't be ignored. I got the R5 bundle (of which I'm not using the pedals) for just $400, then sold my G29 for $100, so it's like I got the wheel and base for just $300. XD I'm absolutely loving it so far, but I definitely would like to get a bigger round wheel at some point, and potentially a second wheel for GT/open-wheel racing.
how does this compare to the fanatec bundle?
@@OMY2FYB I have no experience with the Fanatec hardware, so I have no point of comparison. That said, it seems like you can get products from Moza much more readily and quickly than Fanatec, who seems to constantly be sold out.
I had almost same route, I did get the SR-P pedals last August, and I had G920 which went as a gift down the line. Reason was to get bit better feeling, and how weak FFB was in some cars so as to feel what is happening. Well there was a short side track (lack of inventory, and timing with me moving) and I just ended up ordering Moza R9 and RS V2.
And a side note about the SR-P pedals, I hope you also bought the accessory kit available, as it improves the braking feeling a lot compared to that abysmally loose spring they provide with the pedals.
@@RetroGenetic I ended up going with the R12 instead of the R9 (mostly because it was in stock locally) and the RS V2, and I love it. I didn't get the spring kit, and the stock brake spring is currently working fine for me.
@@DieselWeasel you are missing a lot with the yellow spring while the elastomer is more of a personal taste. What's in stock is often the most important factor when you buy something, isn't it? xD
just ordered mine! $900 with shifter, 2 mounts, clutch, and hand brake.
Any good is the 5 nm enough
@@Bigbaz-bj8io I forsure think it's enough. personally to me, it gets crazy. turning force feedback all the way up and trying to drift or even race is pretty hard and is very fun. feels really strong, can't imagine what a 12nm or the 20nm+ wheels would be like.
I love the wheel
to be clear, I normally keep mine around 30-60% for force feedback and it still feels strong.
@@yeetcannonblaster5396 aaah right what about the peddles I’m told there pretty crap do you use the same peddles
@Bigbaz-bj8io yeah i use the pedals with the combo.
I love them, they're kinda stiff though, my legs get tired on American truck simulator but it wouldn't be an issue with actual racing
Legitech didn't expand on their ecosystem, I think because they're mainly a mainstream peripherals brand. They're not too focused on only cars and car sims like the others!
I get that but literally adding quick release on your steering wheel then not having wheel mods a year later is pretty bad
I bought the same bundle with the shifter and Hub. I thought with the Hub I could connect everything on my NLR rig and run a single line out to my computer. Nope the Hub doesn’t work with the bundle. The Shifter would not calibrate due to the reverse sensor not working so they both went back. Took 3 months to get the refuge.
The wheel and pedals? The longer I have them the more I like them. 5.5Nm is plenty. Highly recommended.
Nice video.
How long was the schipping
@@giulianogrcic3709 shipping was 2-3 weeks? They were upfront about the shipping time and meet the scheduled time. Not an issue really.
And love the Preformance of the set.
Is the torque enough I know you say it bud but would you get the r9 iff could choose again
@@Bigbaz-bj8io I don’t have the torque turned up high now. No need for more torque I’ll never use.
@@craigbaker9252 ok so five is enough , but what peddles with it , apparently there sht the miss ones
Just picked up the R5 bundle. Then picked up a NLR Wheelstand 2.0. Tried using the desk mount, but the ergonomics were terrible, especially with the pedals sliding when breaking and accelerating. Can't wait to mount my rig up.
When you use the NLR wheelstand 2.0 you use your own chair, how do you make it not go backwards when you brake hard
NLR 2.0 has a wheel lock. You pick up your chair and lay the front wheels into the tray@@crackdofus
@@crackdofus lock your wheels
You must’ve had a thin little weak desk I use the mount and it’s just fine, no play at all
@@eternalglow6483 nah, my desktop is 1.5" butcher block. I said the ergonomics were bad, and pedals slid on carpet with out the stand. Not that it wasn't sturdy.
Planning on buying this soon
Thank you for the comprehensive review
I've had a T500RS with T3Pa pro pedals and TH8a shifter for 10yrs n it's still goin strong, it cost £500 back then and to be able to go DD for the same money now will be nice when I finally need to upgrade.
During my search of videos about wheel stands, I've recently watched your NLR Wheel Stand 2.0 review and now I've just discovered this review of the Moza R5!
I literally purchased the Moza R5 two weeks ago and I couldn't find any video matching an R5 with a NLR Wheel Stand. Glad I found your video.
I have also purchased the upgrade kit for the brake and the clutch pedal addon.
And I couldn't resist trying the Moza HGP Shifter as well. The next step will be definitely the handbrake to be used with Dirt Rally 2.0.
My only questions is about the holes on the wheel stand matching the Moza's ones: not sure if it's been mentioned somewhere in the video (apologies in advance).
If it can be mounted without drilling any additional holes it would be amazing!
What's your experience on this?
Thank you!
Can I use this for my ps5?
I just ordered mine, can't wait
Is MOza cheaper than Fanatec CSL DD R2R bndle?
@RexNathanChan, as of the current date they're 23% off 450
yes
@@RexNathanChan
Hello, what's your thoughts if you have it yet? Looking at one myself!
@@Arathain works great! Definitely get a habdbrake, shifter, and cluthc pedal
I went with CSL DD from my G920, worked my way from 2.2 NM upto 5NM and holy crap lol. Noticed with that 5NM setting i can nudge the car into the entrence of the turn super easy.
Wait till you try 8nm. Thats when the wheel comes alive. I just got mine, my friend.
@PageCrowes it's on 8 now =)
@doyourownresearch7297 because it's a different tech vs. the Logi, so I wanted to see what I can get out of it at the same NM as the logi =)
Receiving today Next Level Racing wheel stand 2.0, I hope I will be able to mount it without drilling any holes!
Yes! You don’t need to drill any holes to mount the R5 though I could only get 2 bolts in the base. It felt plenty solid to me like that though. Enjoy!
You can mod the cheap thrustmaster pedals for super cheap also the springs in the throttle and clutch and it makes it a thousand times better. People sell the TX version thrustmaster for a 100 to 180 and its the same as the t300 way better then the g29 .
Very good price point for what you get. I only wish they offered a strain gage upgrade like Fanatec does.
4:40 I like that it was mentioned. Infinite rotation as not many reviewers mention. But I really miss information about hitting this set limit and description of how it feels in game. For example lets set it to 1080° and then in game try to rotate past this set point. Is it to easy to rotate further or is it extreme hard to rotate further. Why I ask is because I want to feel very strong resistance point, almost no way to rotate even 1° further. I will not explain why I prefere this that way. So by that I wonder what wheel in the future I will buy. I guess that 5nm may be to small to achieve this as I already have a wheel that is in this range (T-GT II) So I wonder if I would pick Moza then should I aim for R21 or R16 ETC. I am still seeking such review that would mention this aspect of wheel force.
Did you find an answer in the end?
@@joshpipe7755 unfortunately no.
@@Cosm1c_69 Oh :( I wonder if there is a way to ask questions of current owners of the wheel, or any similar/alternative models you're considering, perhaps on Reddit or even Amazon product Q&A? Or contacting these companies directly perhaps? I'd love to hear how you get on
i have noticed with mine that it depends. if you are running really high feedback then i may not even feel the lock stops since im allready a max torque but set it to a medium range and you can definitely feel the lock stops but yes they can be overcome with enough force, but you pretty much have to be trying to push through them
@@Mattvbro Yes that is my concern when I have peak wheel force on my wheel while also touching that soft lock I feel no difference and only way I can see that this is the limit of car steering lock because I see car wheel in game stop rotating and this is not ideal especially in games that unfortunately use 360 degrees of rotation like F1 or Wreckfest that also do not use even 900 degrees of rotation. So I think that to get this soft lock feeling it is better to have wheel that have about 12-16 nm of force. But also game must have soft lock mechanics implemented and I mean especially for games that vehicles have different range of steering wheel rotation, like BeamNG. Some games do not have soft lock and it is needed to manually set wheel soft lock in wheel software (example ACC)
Great video! Thinking about getting into this sim stuff to practice my driving during the winter, (have a Porsche 981 that I store for the winter). So I don't know if I'll even be racing, (though I'll probably try it). And it sounds like regular Assetto Corsa is best for my needs.
So should I go directly to this DD set-up to get a closer, more realistic feel of my actual car, or would a G29 or T300 be adequate to start off?
Just grabbed a r5 bundle I need to get a setup for my desk chair
Which is better , this or the fanatec csl
I'm waiting on LC500 and 997 prices to come down, so I might have to settle for this setup. lol
Is this moza useable with older sim titles like the old sim bin games
If it supports a wheel, it will work.
What is the difference to the r3?
How is the throttle pedal in this bundle, I guess the load cell is just for the brake? Is there some kit to give the throttle also some resistance or does it have good resistance as it is? Thanks for the video it was quite helpful, I might get this bundle I just want to make sure the pedals will not disappoint me directly. Are you happy with them overall?
It's... okay lol no adjustment to the throttle. You definitely want the brake upgrade to not be disappointed with the pedals. I'm still using them with the R16 currently. I'm happy with them but hope to upgrade sometime.
I really wish I could use this with playstation mainly gran turismo
What you can't use this on playstation and the game I would be buying it for gran turismo 😢
fact: you can use moza on ps5/4 (not sure abt ps4) you can find a tutorial on google so that you can connect the base to the PS and you just need to update the wheel/ base on PC and with the app it should work btw its my bday soon and i will get the r5 budle but later this year im gonna save up for the KS butterfly (NEW) wheel to use in ACC it realistic (both)
As much as I think Moza R5 is good for entry level DD Bundle, a huge downside is putting SR-P Lite in the bundle instead of the SR-P Loadcell. Moza R3 has the same Lite pedals. They really should've put the SR-P Loadcell in the bundle.
Are you using XBLOS R36 as a stand?
Pretend money doesnt exist, should i get this or the logitech g920 for my first wheel?
I was in the same situation as you are. I went with Logitech and 6 months later, went with r5. Worlds difference. You’ll always upgrade sooner or later if you go Logitech
So this wheel still doesn't support Forza Horizon 5 without any extra steps, 2 years after the game was released?
Seems like the Moza devs are not really interested in this game series, which is still quite popular.
Cause forza horizon 5 is copy paste garbage. All it has is good graphics. As for the game it’s self ? Garbage. This is coming from a die hard forza fan. Once I played assetto corsa and beam ng, I realized how shitty forza was.
@@NEO_RKXyeah forza is not meant to be driven on a wheel. Even The new Motorsport feels terrible unless you go way deep in the settings apparently.
Agree that horizon 5 is a joke with a wheel but motorsport is actually very good - so much so that it's in the same ball-park as Assetto I'd say. Out of all the sims and simcades I've tried with a few different wheels, outside of Assetto I think motorsport is the best @@charlesjackson5745
Man id buy the Logitech pro wheel as a upgrade from the 923 if it wasn't $1000 for JUST the wheel and then $300 more for the pedals they are crazy asking so much for that wheel I have no doing that is really good but $1300 Dollars good I don't know about that man id rather get a fanatic csl dd with shifter e brake and load cell kit you can get all of that for about 650-700 dollars I'm pretty sure that's what I'm going to go with
is the pedal very stiff? im looking for a "normal pedal" from my tesla car.
I wish i had a larger table cause i had to put on logitec wheel on and off everytime cause of lack of space😅
What sim rig is that ?
Is the clutch pedal needed when only using the paddles? I'd think that would go along with a shifter. I'm a noob, so figured I'd ask.
Thanks for the roundup interesting I'm considering buying one but don't know if it will work in old games I haven't got any new games and don't want them I'm only driving Grand Prix Legends I wonder up any of your viewers have done this
What car did you use for drift?
Here I'm using the GravyGarage Street E36 Touring Voilent Angle
How did you turn on that green car in front of you for your best car in ACC
Hi there.
Just got same kit coming tomorrow.
Does the NL 2 stand have drillings for all 4 bolts ?
Thnx
The description to this video has your current sim setup as the Logitech Pro DD, did you switch over to it? If so, what made it worth the extra $$?
I wish they just added the break pedal fix at this price point?
Do you plan on swapping this over to your Playseat Trophy setup?
I'm going to keep the Logitech Pro wheel on there and keep the Moza for setting up at desks and on the Wheel Stand 2.0
My kids have a hard time fitting into the Trophy :)
What is the name of the copit to the moza r5
Ive been divided between the moza r5 bundle and the csl dd 8nm bundle i judt dont know what ylto get. Im leaning more towards moza though
Same.. debating and leaning towards moza for quality and customer support..
@AKtoTok I'm going with the Moza R9 I've just heard so many good things and it's a good price and looks good although that doesn't matter as much
Which one gives more value for money/which one is the best, Moza, Fanatec or Thrustmaster?. 🤔
Do you know if you bought the option of the formula one wheel that cost 45 dollars if you only have that wheel or them both?
Looking at the site the f1 wheel is a plate that replaces the plate on the original wheel. Just a plate not a full wheel.
898 AUD direct to my door with the break kit.
I would like to buy for me the bundle r5 and the steering wheel for american truck simulator. But I'm not sure if the r5 bundle is compatible with that steering wheel. Since it is a bundle, I'm not sure 😕
I wish you would’ve started with this is only for pc
Does R5 work with Forza Horizon 5? Is it easy enough to get it to work with FH5?
Yup! It requires some extra configuration but Moza has that documentation to get you going
Moza or Simagic or Fanatec????
What’s the best wheel around $500 for PS5? I would have bought this wheel if it was compatible with the PS5 but it’s not unfortunately.
I've been using Logitech g29 for 4 years now.. Just 2 days back I got my R5 bundle! OMG the driving experience and feedback is 100 times worth it! Loving it and who says expensive wheels don't make you faster, I'm already breaking personal records on ACC with the R5!!!
Well I’m thinking of upgrading from my Logitech g923 is this worth upgrading too?
it's not even comparison it's direct drive system while you have toy pretty much
Looking for a stand to mount R5 and SR-P pedals, do you have any recommendations? What stand is compatible with the R5 and SR-P pedals?
Is this wheel same size as Logitech or bigger ??? can you plug it in to ps5?? And still be able to customise it ? Thanks
It's kinda funny that someone would get a Direct Drive before getting load cell brake pedal... but hey that's how they sell it!
I keep hearing the Moza racing wheelbase burns out after a couple months and the wheelbase gets very hot. I can't get answers from people who own them, so I haven't bought a setup. It seems like a risky product some people seem happy some people seem very unhappy. I want firsthand info on the experience. if anyone can post some info I would really appreciate it.
is it MAh-Za or MOh-za?
I need to purchase steering wheel motor and peddles for SONY PS5 Where do I go ? I’ve tried over the iPhone could not see anywhere it says fits ps5 ! Regards
Is this compatible with Xbox cause I see it has the buttons on there but he didn’t really explain it
If you started off with the r5 bundle, and aside from the brake pedal upgrade, what would your first upgrade be?
Aside from the load cell pedal kit you dont need much else for sim racing. Anything beyond is for your own ease of use or comfort/experience. Comes down to preference. Been using a t300 Rs GT for a solid 6 months now. Thinking about going with a moza r9, GS wheel, CS wheel, CRP pedals. I have a thrustmaster th8a and a thrustmaster sparco mod hand brake. Dont use the hand brake too much tbh as I dont do much drifting or rally anymore. And the th8a is mainly used for acc like no hesi or nascar in iracing. Otherwise I use the paddles on my t300 mainly.
I have the brake pedal upgrade, although I added the clutch as well (can't drive without a clutch ahah) and the HGP shifter, which is very good.
If I had the money I'd probably buy a load cell pedal kit instead of the one in the kit, but so far I'm very satisfied.
If I were to start with an R5, my first upgrade would be a sim rig / wheel stand first, which he already has it covered, then the brake pedal upgrade. Then, I'd look into upgrading my PC hardware. How far you want to upgrade your PC depends on your monitor setup and Hz target. You can go budget with single 60hz monitor, and then you need a stronger one for 144hz, and then an even stronger one for Triples.
@@X1erra Ordered an r5 bundle with the brake upgrade, gonna be building my own wheelstand and then looking at picking up a vr headset, then look at picking up a clutch and shifter to learn muscle memory etc, then I guess load cell pedals?
what about overheating problems in moza base? this is main reason i am not sure which i want to buy fanatec vs monza@@KraMelius.
Your FFB was clipping quite a bit on Monza
what does clipping mean?
I’m glad the clutch pedal is only like 50 euro lol I still think it should have came with the kit
does the Moza R5 have a xbox menu button or any way to map a button to it?
Only works for pc
I just wish MOZA wheels worked more seamlessly with more games. Just bought one as my second wheel and am kind of regretting it as it is not as plug and play as a logi or a thrustmaster.
I am also starting to feel that regret. I recently got an R5 and I do really like it, but the lack of compatibility with the games I want to play plus the amount of effort you have to go through to get the FBB feeling good on certain games is starting to make me wish I got a G923 to start with.
@RedPanda_______ I am not familar with with ThrustMaster wheels so I cant really say. In terms of the R5 though, It is compatible with most mainstream games (Asseto Corza, American or Euro Truck sims) but if you want to play the more niche games like My Summer Car or Mudrunner, you are gonna have to sink sometime into getting the wheel to work.
but I heard the logi & Thrustmaster are very loud, no?
I have a question, because it seems nobody really answer this question when reviewing product, is this something for a simcasual player? or they call it simarcade, I don't want to be competitve or do any Iracing, I do however want to play the new motorsport from forza (i just hate playing with the controller and want something similar to real driving) I will play some F1 24 and beyond because I love f1 and enjoy playing career mode, so mostly against AI but also my American Truck simulator. I really want to invest in moza rather than logitech or trusthmaster because of the aftermarket part available and how their ecosystem works together, I see they have an R3 bundle, and R5 bundle not even sure which one to get, I know they have a truck wheel as separate to use with any of the wheel base. So what product for someone like is recommended? the R3 (i may occasionnaly play with my xbox but i can live without it) I will mostly play on PC because of truck simulator, the r5? the r9? they have so many too choose from but the price is pretty much for the wheel base and not the wheel I just like the fact that you can buy a bundle ready to play with pedals and all to enjoy the simulation. Hopefully someone can give me an answer or maybe Mr 9to5toys can provide me with a link to a video if he did something like this in the past. (Also sorry english is not my first language so some words or sentences might feel off)
For the money the G923 is a steal! Its $335 with shifter! Moza you will need $700 to have the same (H-shifter and Clutch pedal)
Can someone please direct me in the right way of where that brake upgrade is
On the moza website
Is it possible to use my T300 (TH8A) shifter with that wheel combined? The shifter is usb it should work right?
Does your srp lite pedal stay connected in pit house? My pedals only show connected when I hit the gas or brake then immediately disconnects after I let go of gas or brake. Is that normal?
i have to mute my mic in discord when racing, i cant wait for my r5 to come in
would really like one.. but shipping is 170$... like what?
Wait really?
What game is that
assetto corsa
I do wish you TH-camrs would shorten your vids. Keep it succinct.
Not to be mean but... it's 17 minutes right? Can't you keep your attention for that long for something you may intend on buying?
Thanks for replying. Maybe I've just watched too many of these vids.
Yeah it's tiring spending hours and hours watching hoping to make the right choice based on the opinions of each TH-camr. Are there sim racing store that you could try different wheels?
Far too many like the sound of their own voice waaaaaaay too much.
Intro got more fluff than build a bear.
R5 bundle is xbox series x ready
You can as of now get the R5 bundle with the extra clutch pedal, Performance brake upgrade, and gated manual for $676. Imo, this is 100% the way to do it now. For less than $700 you're getting a setup that you'd realistically be fine with forever. By the time you get a manual shifter for the thrustmaster logi your $250-$300 away from getting the r5 with everything. Sure you're saving $250, but chances are you're going to want to replace it with a DD eventually anyways making the savings kind of redundant.
There are no DD packages that I can see
Can u use this for ps5 ?
I believe it's PC only.
Does this work on ps5 also looking to swap between pc and ps5
Moza has no console compatibility yet unfortunately
@@Gynchy thanks for that no idea what to go for wheel wise and rig about £700 total
There is an adapter you can get, so I've been told google ras1ution. I haven't tested it myself though
Ras1ution 2 works great with the MOZA. Works for PS5 and Xbox Series S/X without issue.
Just wait. Moza is gonna release update to support one of the Consoles natively, not sure which one.
but you cant upgrade the R5, if i understand right, the SRP pedals are not compactible with R5 base, and if you want to jump from R5 to R9 or higher you need to change the base and the pedals which are the most expensive parts, plus the 3th pedal and brake upgrade for SRP (for example), cose SRP light are made for R3 and R5...however i think the R3 is waste of time/money...
i have the moza kit + clutch + two of the performace kits ( tweak one for the clutch) + shifter + hand brake all strap to DOF H3 with 3x SFU, cyber cover, monitor mount upgrade. the system is a ryzen 7950x3d + RTX 4090 + 48GB of DDR5 at 7200mhz display is a LG C3 OLED TV 4k 120hz. but i some times use my quest 3 as well
Thats a crazy setup (in terms of the pc), tho i dont think you needed to add the pc stuff, kinda looks like youre showing off for no reason (especially since literally every sim game doesnt need a crazy pc to run unless you are using mods)
Waiting for the R5 to be compatible with Xbox.
I've got a Moza R5 base and IT OVERHEATS AFTER 5 LAPS, the FFB gets super weak and loses much much detail, i use decently low settings in the Pit House, in F1 23 i've got everything turned to 0 but the FFB strenght that's on 95, i tried lowering Wheel Friction and Damper a bit, but no luck, still the same issue. What's the problem with this base?
I have a 140mm computer fan blowing on mine and it stays nice and cool and gives you some wind for realism. Stays cool enough and I run mine to the limit.
ffb ..... We never put a base at the max.
75/80% to try
100% on the wheel and 70/80 in the game
how does this compare to the fanatec bundle?
I just switched from my g29 to the moza r5 bundle and its soooooo mutch better. if you think this hassant enough power YOUR WRONG! and so mutch detail. Only downside is to set it up what takes liken15 min unlike the g29 thats just plug and play
Is it ps compatible?
No
I'd just like to acknowledge how insane it is that north 500 dollars is entry level lmao
Direct Drive entry wheel to be exact
600 is not entry level bro why do we keep saying that, that shit is expensive for the average person
lol 'beginner' cost. $625 as a first wheel is far too expensive. When starting out you don't even know if you are going to stick with sim racing so a very basic FF wheel is all you should get until you feel its worth it. This cost doesn't even include a cockpit /stand to mount it on. In Canadian dollars this set up is almost $850 without a place to mount properly. Not a price someone who doesn't even know if they are going to stick with it should spend.
You can find for like 500 in mu country
Yea but the Moza R5 doesnt work with the PS5 from what I've researched. Only reason Im going with the T300. I do want a DD but theyre like $750+ for a PS5
The Thrustmaster 300 is really not as good as people put it. Overheating which causes loss of force feedback happens after only 5 minutes of using it. Also the sound that the fan makes when in constant cooling mod is horrible.
Microcenter has it for 500 rn
Was able to find the bundle for 370!
Too bad that in canadian $ everything is pretty much double price for us....
Do the pedal hinges etc need greasing ? Hate squeaks.
Hi everyone,i am thinking to buy a direct drive wheel system.
1.Moza r5 bundle with sr-p lite break kit and f1 wheel mod.
2.Fanatec CSL DD (5nm) with mclaren gt3 v2 ,quick release adapter.
What do you prefer?
I heard that the r5 has some heating issues and in f1 game when you are cornering it loses some force feedback details.
I am so much confused what to buy actually
Drop your suggestions
Thank you!
i have moza r5 with brake kit + 294mm carbon gt wheel mod (ali express). the moza f1 mod is 500g but this ali express one is 300g only so the force feedback is even better
Never heard that aboug the r5? It gets warm like any other DD wheel, if you run it at 100% force 24/7, but it's one big alu heatsink with no fan, so you are all good. Most pros play around 3-4 nm. No car in real life requires as much force, as a 5,5 nm wheel can generate at max, to turn on corners, even if they are without steeringassist.
is DD really worth it? Logitech for 6 years now and Im able to set top tens in DR2.0. ACC I'm a few seconds off from real world records. I feel like ppl who own G29 don't realize if you turn all the noise down from feedback and stick with self align then you can read the wheel far better. It's a wheel and shifter I can just slap on and off my desk with ease. With a lot of hobbies I see people get caught in traps where they think more money will make them better at something and it's just not the case for most hobbies I've gotten into so I never got a DD.
With a DD you will shave off 2-3 seconds usually. Also its added realism which is kind of the point in sim racing.
@@TheFrontyer ah, im getting older. I could care less about struggling harder with my wheel. I already turn my g29 settings down. I will say to drift you pretty much need a DD
@@Lansolot Then you dont understand why you get a DD wheel. Its not to make it harder, its to make it more detailed…you turn down the strenthg even more on DD, but it will rrsult in far more detailed feedback. That is the whole appeal with a strong DD wheel.
@@TheFrontyer hmmm that's kinda what I thought. I bought the TH8A shifter and it was a let down for me upgrading from the logitech one. Just better build quality, it turned me off from spending a lot. Maybe ill invest in DD now though, thanks. I'll still be a pleb and strap it to my desk though lol
Most have this judgment that they will gain seconds in the race, the DD wheels were made to give you more wraparound and asphalt details, I don't believe you can gain many seconds, with a G29 steering wheel you can run as fast as the DD wheels.
The gain is much more in the immersion and for me this is worth the investment.
The detailing of these dd flywheels are much greater than a flywheel per belt or gear, as I have both flywheels, believe that.
Ngl you Americans are damn lucky, this is like 700$ in Canada