What I wish I had when I started sim racing: Moza R5 bundle review (with some exceptions)
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Coming in at an affordable price with affordable upgrades, the Moza R5 Bundle is an incredible way to get a direct-drive wheel and pedals.
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Not gonna lie, started watching your videos recently, and this is honestly one of the most fantastic review channels on TH-cam. All of your stuff has been super helpful.
The description to this video has your current sim setup as the Logitech Pro DD, did you switch over to it? If so, what made it worth the extra $$?
Just got a DD setup last week. Been using Logitech wheels for many years, but after getting into iRacing, I found that I wanted something more accurate, without the noisy and jittery gears that the G-series wheels have. I actually got the SR-P (non-Lite) pedals from Moza a few months back, since everyone says the brakes are the most important thing to upgrade, and I wanted the load cell accuracy. I'd been debating a lot on wheels/bases, was wanting to get the R9 with the RS V2, but a Labor Day sale at Micro Center just couldn't be ignored. I got the R5 bundle (of which I'm not using the pedals) for just $400, then sold my G29 for $100, so it's like I got the wheel and base for just $300. XD I'm absolutely loving it so far, but I definitely would like to get a bigger round wheel at some point, and potentially a second wheel for GT/open-wheel racing.
how does this compare to the fanatec bundle?
@@ProjektSol I have no experience with the Fanatec hardware, so I have no point of comparison. That said, it seems like you can get products from Moza much more readily and quickly than Fanatec, who seems to constantly be sold out.
I had almost same route, I did get the SR-P pedals last August, and I had G920 which went as a gift down the line. Reason was to get bit better feeling, and how weak FFB was in some cars so as to feel what is happening. Well there was a short side track (lack of inventory, and timing with me moving) and I just ended up ordering Moza R9 and RS V2.
And a side note about the SR-P pedals, I hope you also bought the accessory kit available, as it improves the braking feeling a lot compared to that abysmally loose spring they provide with the pedals.
@@RetroGenetic I ended up going with the R12 instead of the R9 (mostly because it was in stock locally) and the RS V2, and I love it. I didn't get the spring kit, and the stock brake spring is currently working fine for me.
@@DieselWeasel you are missing a lot with the yellow spring while the elastomer is more of a personal taste. What's in stock is often the most important factor when you buy something, isn't it? xD
During my search of videos about wheel stands, I've recently watched your NLR Wheel Stand 2.0 review and now I've just discovered this review of the Moza R5!
I literally purchased the Moza R5 two weeks ago and I couldn't find any video matching an R5 with a NLR Wheel Stand. Glad I found your video.
I have also purchased the upgrade kit for the brake and the clutch pedal addon.
And I couldn't resist trying the Moza HGP Shifter as well. The next step will be definitely the handbrake to be used with Dirt Rally 2.0.
My only questions is about the holes on the wheel stand matching the Moza's ones: not sure if it's been mentioned somewhere in the video (apologies in advance).
If it can be mounted without drilling any additional holes it would be amazing!
What's your experience on this?
Thank you!
I bought the same bundle with the shifter and Hub. I thought with the Hub I could connect everything on my NLR rig and run a single line out to my computer. Nope the Hub doesn’t work with the bundle. The Shifter would not calibrate due to the reverse sensor not working so they both went back. Took 3 months to get the refuge.
The wheel and pedals? The longer I have them the more I like them. 5.5Nm is plenty. Highly recommended.
Nice video.
How long was the schipping
@@giulianogrcic3709 shipping was 2-3 weeks? They were upfront about the shipping time and meet the scheduled time. Not an issue really.
And love the Preformance of the set.
Just picked up the R5 bundle. Then picked up a NLR Wheelstand 2.0. Tried using the desk mount, but the ergonomics were terrible, especially with the pedals sliding when breaking and accelerating. Can't wait to mount my rig up.
When you use the NLR wheelstand 2.0 you use your own chair, how do you make it not go backwards when you brake hard
NLR 2.0 has a wheel lock. You pick up your chair and lay the front wheels into the tray@@crackdofus
@@crackdofus lock your wheels
I bought my r5 when they first came out. Still loving it and it has held up immaculately. I cannot recommend this wheel enough.
Is it worth to go for R9 or R5 is a solid base for ACC and f1
@@bhavaniprasad7084 If you are new to sim racing I would recommend the R5. If you sim race every day go for the R9. I am sure the R5 will hold it's value so reselling it shouldnt be a problem if you want to upgrade later.
is the steering wheel big enough ? It looks a bit too small to feel realistic
I just ordered mine, can't wait
Is MOza cheaper than Fanatec CSL DD R2R bndle?
@RexNathanChan, as of the current date they're 23% off 450
yes
@@RexNathanChan
I wish they just added the break pedal fix at this price point?
I'm waiting on LC500 and 997 prices to come down, so I might have to settle for this setup. lol
How did you turn on that green car in front of you for your best car in ACC
Does your srp lite pedal stay connected in pit house? My pedals only show connected when I hit the gas or brake then immediately disconnects after I let go of gas or brake. Is that normal?
Just grabbed a r5 bundle I need to get a setup for my desk chair
I need to purchase steering wheel motor and peddles for SONY PS5 Where do I go ? I’ve tried over the iPhone could not see anywhere it says fits ps5 ! Regards
I wish i had a larger table cause i had to put on logitec wheel on and off everytime cause of lack of space😅
You can mod the cheap thrustmaster pedals for super cheap also the springs in the throttle and clutch and it makes it a thousand times better. People sell the TX version thrustmaster for a 100 to 180 and its the same as the t300 way better then the g29 .
Looking for a stand to mount R5 and SR-P pedals, do you have any recommendations? What stand is compatible with the R5 and SR-P pedals?
I went with CSL DD from my G920, worked my way from 2.2 NM upto 5NM and holy crap lol. Noticed with that 5NM setting i can nudge the car into the entrence of the turn super easy.
Wait till you try 8nm. Thats when the wheel comes alive. I just got mine, my friend.
@PageCrowes it's on 8 now =)
@doyourownresearch7297 because it's a different tech vs. the Logi, so I wanted to see what I can get out of it at the same NM as the logi =)
Is it possible to use my T300 (TH8A) shifter with that wheel combined? The shifter is usb it should work right?
Which is better , this or the fanatec csl
Receiving today Next Level Racing wheel stand 2.0, I hope I will be able to mount it without drilling any holes!
Yes! You don’t need to drill any holes to mount the R5 though I could only get 2 bolts in the base. It felt plenty solid to me like that though. Enjoy!
I would like to buy for me the bundle r5 and the steering wheel for american truck simulator. But I'm not sure if the r5 bundle is compatible with that steering wheel. Since it is a bundle, I'm not sure 😕
Are you using XBLOS R36 as a stand?
Is this wheel same size as Logitech or bigger ??? can you plug it in to ps5?? And still be able to customise it ? Thanks
fact: you can use moza on ps5/4 (not sure abt ps4) you can find a tutorial on google so that you can connect the base to the PS and you just need to update the wheel/ base on PC and with the app it should work btw its my bday soon and i will get the r5 budle but later this year im gonna save up for the KS butterfly (NEW) wheel to use in ACC it realistic (both)
Do you know if you bought the option of the formula one wheel that cost 45 dollars if you only have that wheel or them both?
Looking at the site the f1 wheel is a plate that replaces the plate on the original wheel. Just a plate not a full wheel.
Man id buy the Logitech pro wheel as a upgrade from the 923 if it wasn't $1000 for JUST the wheel and then $300 more for the pedals they are crazy asking so much for that wheel I have no doing that is really good but $1300 Dollars good I don't know about that man id rather get a fanatic csl dd with shifter e brake and load cell kit you can get all of that for about 650-700 dollars I'm pretty sure that's what I'm going to go with
Your FFB was clipping quite a bit on Monza
How is the throttle pedal in this bundle, I guess the load cell is just for the brake? Is there some kit to give the throttle also some resistance or does it have good resistance as it is? Thanks for the video it was quite helpful, I might get this bundle I just want to make sure the pedals will not disappoint me directly. Are you happy with them overall?
It's... okay lol no adjustment to the throttle. You definitely want the brake upgrade to not be disappointed with the pedals. I'm still using them with the R16 currently. I'm happy with them but hope to upgrade sometime.
Is this compatible with Xbox cause I see it has the buttons on there but he didn’t really explain it
What is the difference to the r3?
Do you plan on swapping this over to your Playseat Trophy setup?
I'm going to keep the Logitech Pro wheel on there and keep the Moza for setting up at desks and on the Wheel Stand 2.0
My kids have a hard time fitting into the Trophy :)
Ive been divided between the moza r5 bundle and the csl dd 8nm bundle i judt dont know what ylto get. Im leaning more towards moza though
Same.. debating and leaning towards moza for quality and customer support..
@AKtoTok I'm going with the Moza R9 I've just heard so many good things and it's a good price and looks good although that doesn't matter as much
Can someone please direct me in the right way of where that brake upgrade is
Moza or Simagic or Fanatec????
What sim rig is that ?
Legitech didn't expand on their ecosystem, I think because they're mainly a mainstream peripherals brand. They're not too focused on only cars and car sims like the others!
I get that but literally adding quick release on your steering wheel then not having wheel mods a year later is pretty bad
I'd love this setup but the only console supported DD by Moza is the dinky R3. Fanatec does and just got a 8nm set.
Do the pedal hinges etc need greasing ? Hate squeaks.
Well I’m thinking of upgrading from my Logitech g923 is this worth upgrading too?
it's not even comparison it's direct drive system while you have toy pretty much
Is this moza useable with older sim titles like the old sim bin games
If it supports a wheel, it will work.
i have to mute my mic in discord when racing, i cant wait for my r5 to come in
does the Moza R5 have a xbox menu button or any way to map a button to it?
Only works for pc
i have the moza kit + clutch + two of the performace kits ( tweak one for the clutch) + shifter + hand brake all strap to DOF H3 with 3x SFU, cyber cover, monitor mount upgrade. the system is a ryzen 7950x3d + RTX 4090 + 48GB of DDR5 at 7200mhz display is a LG C3 OLED TV 4k 120hz. but i some times use my quest 3 as well
4:40 I like that it was mentioned. Infinite rotation as not many reviewers mention. But I really miss information about hitting this set limit and description of how it feels in game. For example lets set it to 1080° and then in game try to rotate past this set point. Is it to easy to rotate further or is it extreme hard to rotate further. Why I ask is because I want to feel very strong resistance point, almost no way to rotate even 1° further. I will not explain why I prefere this that way. So by that I wonder what wheel in the future I will buy. I guess that 5nm may be to small to achieve this as I already have a wheel that is in this range (T-GT II) So I wonder if I would pick Moza then should I aim for R21 or R16 ETC. I am still seeking such review that would mention this aspect of wheel force.
Did you find an answer in the end?
@@joshpipe7755 unfortunately no.
@@Cosm1c_69 Oh :( I wonder if there is a way to ask questions of current owners of the wheel, or any similar/alternative models you're considering, perhaps on Reddit or even Amazon product Q&A? Or contacting these companies directly perhaps? I'd love to hear how you get on
Hi everyone,i am thinking to buy a direct drive wheel system.
1.Moza r5 bundle with sr-p lite break kit and f1 wheel mod.
2.Fanatec CSL DD (5nm) with mclaren gt3 v2 ,quick release adapter.
What do you prefer?
I heard that the r5 has some heating issues and in f1 game when you are cornering it loses some force feedback details.
I am so much confused what to buy actually
Drop your suggestions
Thank you!
i have moza r5 with brake kit + 294mm carbon gt wheel mod (ali express). the moza f1 mod is 500g but this ali express one is 300g only so the force feedback is even better
Does R5 work with Forza Horizon 5? Is it easy enough to get it to work with FH5?
Yup! It requires some extra configuration but Moza has that documentation to get you going
It's kinda funny that someone would get a Direct Drive before getting load cell brake pedal... but hey that's how they sell it!
Out of the box an upgrade is needed says the manufacturer needs to just do the upgrade in the first place and bill it into the production cost scrapping the less than desirable pedal issue.
Also sim manufacturers need to recognize that adults are their market and we usually have a car in real life so just start including a full size steering wheel instead of a toy wheel for a fisher price car! 🚙
If you started off with the r5 bundle, and aside from the brake pedal upgrade, what would your first upgrade be?
Aside from the load cell pedal kit you dont need much else for sim racing. Anything beyond is for your own ease of use or comfort/experience. Comes down to preference. Been using a t300 Rs GT for a solid 6 months now. Thinking about going with a moza r9, GS wheel, CS wheel, CRP pedals. I have a thrustmaster th8a and a thrustmaster sparco mod hand brake. Dont use the hand brake too much tbh as I dont do much drifting or rally anymore. And the th8a is mainly used for acc like no hesi or nascar in iracing. Otherwise I use the paddles on my t300 mainly.
I have the brake pedal upgrade, although I added the clutch as well (can't drive without a clutch ahah) and the HGP shifter, which is very good.
If I had the money I'd probably buy a load cell pedal kit instead of the one in the kit, but so far I'm very satisfied.
If I were to start with an R5, my first upgrade would be a sim rig / wheel stand first, which he already has it covered, then the brake pedal upgrade. Then, I'd look into upgrading my PC hardware. How far you want to upgrade your PC depends on your monitor setup and Hz target. You can go budget with single 60hz monitor, and then you need a stronger one for 144hz, and then an even stronger one for Triples.
@@X1erra Ordered an r5 bundle with the brake upgrade, gonna be building my own wheelstand and then looking at picking up a vr headset, then look at picking up a clutch and shifter to learn muscle memory etc, then I guess load cell pedals?
what about overheating problems in moza base? this is main reason i am not sure which i want to buy fanatec vs monza@@krabmagah7822
I really wish I could use this with playstation mainly gran turismo
What you can't use this on playstation and the game I would be buying it for gran turismo 😢
What car did you use for drift?
Here I'm using the GravyGarage Street E36 Touring Voilent Angle
Is it ps compatible?
I just wish MOZA wheels worked more seamlessly with more games. Just bought one as my second wheel and am kind of regretting it as it is not as plug and play as a logi or a thrustmaster.
I am also starting to feel that regret. I recently got an R5 and I do really like it, but the lack of compatibility with the games I want to play plus the amount of effort you have to go through to get the FBB feeling good on certain games is starting to make me wish I got a G923 to start with.
Yea but the Moza R5 doesnt work with the PS5 from what I've researched. Only reason Im going with the T300. I do want a DD but theyre like $750+ for a PS5
The Thrustmaster 300 is really not as good as people put it. Overheating which causes loss of force feedback happens after only 5 minutes of using it. Also the sound that the fan makes when in constant cooling mod is horrible.
Does this work on ps5 also looking to swap between pc and ps5
Moza has no console compatibility yet unfortunately
@@Gynchy thanks for that no idea what to go for wheel wise and rig about £700 total
There is an adapter you can get, so I've been told google ras1ution. I haven't tested it myself though
Ras1ution 2 works great with the MOZA. Works for PS5 and Xbox Series S/X without issue.
Just wait. Moza is gonna release update to support one of the Consoles natively, not sure which one.
So this wheel still doesn't support Forza Horizon 5 without any extra steps, 2 years after the game was released?
Seems like the Moza devs are not really interested in this game series, which is still quite popular.
Cause forza horizon 5 is copy paste garbage. All it has is good graphics. As for the game it’s self ? Garbage. This is coming from a die hard forza fan. Once I played assetto corsa and beam ng, I realized how shitty forza was.
@@NEO_Trojanmuldrop4yeah forza is not meant to be driven on a wheel. Even The new Motorsport feels terrible unless you go way deep in the settings apparently.
Agree that horizon 5 is a joke with a wheel but motorsport is actually very good - so much so that it's in the same ball-park as Assetto I'd say. Out of all the sims and simcades I've tried with a few different wheels, outside of Assetto I think motorsport is the best @@charlesjackson5745
I wish you would’ve started with this is only for pc
R5 bundle is xbox series x ready
I've got a Moza R5 base and IT OVERHEATS AFTER 5 LAPS, the FFB gets super weak and loses much much detail, i use decently low settings in the Pit House, in F1 23 i've got everything turned to 0 but the FFB strenght that's on 95, i tried lowering Wheel Friction and Damper a bit, but no luck, still the same issue. What's the problem with this base?
I have a 140mm computer fan blowing on mine and it stays nice and cool and gives you some wind for realism. Stays cool enough and I run mine to the limit.
ffb ..... We never put a base at the max.
75/80% to try
100% on the wheel and 70/80 in the game
Microcenter has it for 500 rn
Can u use this for ps5 ?
I believe it's PC only.
Waiting for the R5 to be compatible with Xbox.
would really like one.. but shipping is 170$... like what?
Wait really?
You can as of now get the R5 bundle with the extra clutch pedal, Performance brake upgrade, and gated manual for $676. Imo, this is 100% the way to do it now. For less than $700 you're getting a setup that you'd realistically be fine with forever. By the time you get a manual shifter for the thrustmaster logi your $250-$300 away from getting the r5 with everything. Sure you're saving $250, but chances are you're going to want to replace it with a DD eventually anyways making the savings kind of redundant.
Isn't it, "Moe-zah"?
Too bad that in canadian $ everything is pretty much double price for us....
how does this compare to the fanatec bundle?
is DD really worth it? Logitech for 6 years now and Im able to set top tens in DR2.0. ACC I'm a few seconds off from real world records. I feel like ppl who own G29 don't realize if you turn all the noise down from feedback and stick with self align then you can read the wheel far better. It's a wheel and shifter I can just slap on and off my desk with ease. With a lot of hobbies I see people get caught in traps where they think more money will make them better at something and it's just not the case for most hobbies I've gotten into so I never got a DD.
With a DD you will shave off 2-3 seconds usually. Also its added realism which is kind of the point in sim racing.
@@TheFrontyer ah, im getting older. I could care less about struggling harder with my wheel. I already turn my g29 settings down. I will say to drift you pretty much need a DD
@@robertpaulson4960 Then you dont understand why you get a DD wheel. Its not to make it harder, its to make it more detailed…you turn down the strenthg even more on DD, but it will rrsult in far more detailed feedback. That is the whole appeal with a strong DD wheel.
@@TheFrontyer hmmm that's kinda what I thought. I bought the TH8A shifter and it was a let down for me upgrading from the logitech one. Just better build quality, it turned me off from spending a lot. Maybe ill invest in DD now though, thanks. I'll still be a pleb and strap it to my desk though lol
Most have this judgment that they will gain seconds in the race, the DD wheels were made to give you more wraparound and asphalt details, I don't believe you can gain many seconds, with a G29 steering wheel you can run as fast as the DD wheels.
The gain is much more in the immersion and for me this is worth the investment.
The detailing of these dd flywheels are much greater than a flywheel per belt or gear, as I have both flywheels, believe that.
New releases....R3 for Xbok and R12. Honestly, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why anyone other than a pro racer would need more than R5. I race in AC @45%, ATMS2 @48% with in-game settings and with base setting @100%.. Any more strength and you cannot turn the wheel like a real car!
More cow bell.
lol 'beginner' cost. $625 as a first wheel is far too expensive. When starting out you don't even know if you are going to stick with sim racing so a very basic FF wheel is all you should get until you feel its worth it. This cost doesn't even include a cockpit /stand to mount it on. In Canadian dollars this set up is almost $850 without a place to mount properly. Not a price someone who doesn't even know if they are going to stick with it should spend.
You can find for like 500 in mu country
Too bad you mentionned the bundle not being compatible with PS5 at the start, I'd have won a lot of time.
How many times can you say the same thing over and over. Gave up
I do wish you TH-camrs would shorten your vids. Keep it succinct.
Not to be mean but... it's 17 minutes right? Can't you keep your attention for that long for something you may intend on buying?
Thanks for replying. Maybe I've just watched too many of these vids.
Yeah it's tiring spending hours and hours watching hoping to make the right choice based on the opinions of each TH-camr. Are there sim racing store that you could try different wheels?
Far too many like the sound of their own voice waaaaaaay too much.
Intro got more fluff than build a bear.
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The g29 has not got pedals worth the price. Lost a subscriber...
Marza??? “MOZA” mo za
Why the heck this chinese thing cost SAME as Fanatec?!
it's better, and cheaper.
please center your logo
What talking for nothing?
Boring fast forward, skip, bye
Dying a slow death. Vid feels so drawn out.