Is It Safe To Run R99, R95, BioDiesel and More? Safe Alternative Diesel Fuels Explained.
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- Are you wondering what types of alternative diesel fuels like R99, R95, HPR, Biodiesel or Biomass diesel are safe to run in your Cummins, Duramax, Powerstroke, TDI or other diesel vehicle? In this video, I walk through all the different types of ADF and cover which ones are safe to run in your vehicle.
Intro: 00:16
Biodiesel: 00:54
ADF (Alternative Diesel Fuels): 03:39
Propel HPR: 04:31
R95/R99: 05:56
How to Know What Fuel You're Using: 07:32
Outro: 09:36
#biodiesel #HPR #r99 - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Ah, you skipped over my favorite kind of diesel, the cherry flavored diesel
I haul fuel and have been dropping a lot of R99 as gas stations that haven’t changed their labels. Still says Diesel #2 at most of the pumps. Glad to know it’s totally safe, really confusing with differentiating biomass based diesel and biodiesel.
Also, per chevrons website the B20 is 20% biodiesel 80% renewable diesel R99
Been running propel hpr since i learned about it, and will always choose it over #2 if available. I think a lot of people don't realize biodiesel and biomass derived diesel are different, and I think these new fuels are a key component to keeping diesels on the road in the future so I appreciate you making this video and bringing attention to them.
100% agree. If this is the solution I’m all for it.
Put it in my tweaked DMax runs great smells good to
Thank you Justin. I've run HPR and renewable diesel for thousands of miles now. Way less diesel smell and it runs fine. I'm not seeing a fuel economy increase increase but I'll continue to use it.
I've yet to even see a Propel station in my area, but I have been running R95 and R99 almost exclusively... Nothing but good things to say. All my emissions trucks run smoother with fewer regens and a slight improvement in mileage. Also, the fuel filters are still white after every scheduled change.
I wish they sold the HPR renewable diesel here in northern Nevada, I got it once in my wife’s 3.0 ecodiesel when we went to apple hill. I would even go to the 76 station if they sold their R99 or R95 fuel up here.
We just have regular diesel in Texas but I appreciate the information. Basically just avoid the biodiesel.
Now we've got Chevron's Renewable Biodiesel B20. Best blend from what I have tried on my VP44 truck and my dad's CR. Even more soot reduction from the B20 as well as unparalleled lubricity so no need for any additives to lower HFRR unless going to an area with freezing. Throttle is even more crisp than R95 and R99. Chevron has a really good rewards program too.
Oh, I just noticed you showed it in your vid. We just got it in my area.
Thank you for this video. As someone with a 7.3 power stroke and a LB7 Duramax in San Diego, this video is massively helpful
We have 76 and Shell pumping renewable in San Diego max.
In Canada, I've never seen anything other than traditional diesel.
Same
It’s mostly a Cali thing, in Washington I haven’t seen it either, or Idaho etc
Same here!
Cali things…
Probably becuase of issues with cold temperatures affecting viability?
Great video. Recently at the ARCO station that I fill up at most often, I noticed that they switched to R99 Renewable Diesel fuel, which concerned me at first. Great job explaining the difference between bio-diesel and bio-mass diesel. Pretty cool to know that R95/R99 is safe on all diesels and that it's being made out of renewable resources, is cleaner burning and has added lubrication benefits. Before this video I was totally confused but you answered all my questions. Thanks!
Glad I could help!
Hey dude or dudette but my truck started sounding weird just recently. I did fuel at Arco. I noticed my cap said max b20, arco was r99 recently for
Me. That’s the only thing I changed I fueled there, kinda wondering if it’s the fuel
2017 f350
@@anth0r Hey, so I had a similar experience when I first filled my 2010 jetta TDI with R99 at arco. It sounded weird for a couple minutes but shortly went back to normal. I've only filled up my car with R99 since. Since October of 2023.
got check engine light after fueling up 99% biomas on 76 station on my 2015 tdi yes its in california
Great content! Appreciate your enthusiasm. Please keep it up!!!
One of the best videos on the different fuels available. very well-done young man. good watch. worth the time.
Excellent video. I knew I wasn't dreaming when I noticed the performance gains using 76 R95/R99 diesel fuel
Personally I have never seen anything but regular diesel but this was a very interesting video!
Could probs watch your videos all day there super detailed filming is amazing and trucks are spotless. This guy knows what he’s talking about
Appreciate the support!
Thank You. My wife's Audi and Tesla friends don't mind my IDI or Cummins as much since the R99 and it works great.
Great video dude. Very informative
I haul fuel and deliver RD99 and 95 all the time. This stuff largely comes off of train cars from all over North America. It’s made of oils like corn oil and even animal fat. The stuff is clear like water. Unlike regular diesel that is refined here in the state from crude along with gasoline. P66 (76) specifically gets all of their renewable diesel from a train yard in Fontana.
Love the content and love the info thanks 🙏🏽
Very helpful thanks!
Super informative 👌 👍
Great information thank you for educating us on this new and improve diesel.
Bought my MB 86' om603 turbo in 2012 and still run propel HPR since it availability in CA. I'm located in Sacramento, CA. Heard the stuff is coming in from Europe via Neste Oil and distributed via local suppliers. Best stuff in the globe. Good to see content on HPR fuel. Beats adding the cetane bottle every tank like i did back in 2012. Same results better experience/ convenience with the + MPG.
Neste from Finland is currently the biggest producer of HVO which is the technical abbreviation for these synthetic diesels
Best video on this topic!
If you got a old idi or 12ver you can run basically any oil I know lots of guys who have 2 tanks and they run diesel and oil. They start and warm up the truck on diesel then switch to oil. They get the oil from local restaurants and filter it and run it for free. If you can get your hands on John Deere motor oil or hygard hydraulic oil you’re in good shape
Thanks for this information 👍
Always love the videos
It's good to see the word spread about renewable diesel. Just like you said it's a game changer for diesels, burns so much cleaner. If this stuff would have come out I doubt there would have been any use for the intrusive emissions systems. Costco has R99 at some stations which I have been using for over a year. I'm not bothered by the traditional petroleum diesel fuel and exhaust smell but it is gone and the R99 is similar to water and does not foam nearly as much. From searching as much as I could I don't think there is a difference between Propel HPR and R99.
I wish I had a diesel pump at my Costco.
Great info thanks!
Ran R95 in my diesel jeep with CP4 and it nuked it in 6k miles. Dealership did fuel tests and confirmed cp4 failure was more common with the R95 fuel type and recommended not using it. I now opt for diesel #2 as much as possible, or an occasional fill up with B-5 to B-20 with no issues yet. Waiting on a permanent fix.
It's the pump. The CP3 has no issues.
What jeep diesel? Usually all hvo diesel fuels are better than normal diesel in every single point. That's at least the chemical point. I'm running a 30% blend in my jeep, and it's actually noticeably better than normal diesel.
That's them trying to blame something other than that crap pump. R95 is not the reason your pump failed.
CP4 systems fail just by looking at them wrong.
This has been helpful. Most of the pumps I have gone to have the Biomass diesel stickers on them but they say it 99% and is higher then 20%. So I have avoided these all together cause I thought that meant that it was basically a B99 which is way higher then my truck says to use. So from what your saying is the biomass sticker means good and the ones that say biodiesel and not mention biomass are bad.
In Sweden, Max B7 is mixed with the diesel at most gas stations. it is considered that many diesel engines cannot handle more. instead, have they also mixed HVO into the regular diesel. But this mixture of diesel with biodiesel and HVO is considered to make diesel more expensive
Great job!
These changes have been so confusing in Southern California - numerous types and confusing pump labels. I’m running a 2011 Ram 2500 with cummins 6.7 and the manual states no more than 5% biodiesel. I confirmed on the Cummins site they now approve up to B20 as this video states. This video was outstanding!
Glad it helped! That was the goal!
Haven’t seen any ADF here in colorado. The renewable diesel seems like the one good thing cali is doing to lower emissions if it really has all these benefits.
i’ll be interested to see if/when these become available outside of CA
I have used HPR when out in NorCal and it's a noticeable difference in performance in my 06 Cummins, for those of use living outside of Cali I'd recommend sticking to top tier diesel fuels from various companies. Cheap fuel is just that, crap! I've learned the hard way with cheap diesel and avoid it now and pay a little more with Costco, Chevron, Philips 66 etc. and use Hot shots EDT every fuel up.
Chevron has the dual stickers in San Diego so I've avoided it.
I have switched from diesel #2 to the 76 r99. I still use the hot shot secret every day diesel fuel treatment and my 05. 6.0L has not ran better. definitely less smoke at idle when idling or getting on it, smoother, more power. From what I know about it, it’s higher cetane and it’s non fossil fuel. Made from renewable sources, like grains, animal fats and other green renewable sources. I avoid the diesel #2 if I can.
Maybe it'll save that 6.0.
Blows my mind that we can't get any RD here in Texas given that Valero has two big refineries producing RD in Lake Charles, LA and a brand new refinery in Port Arthur, Texas. I even read where for the first time ever, Valero has produced more RD than BD in 2023. For the life of me, I can't tell where it's going though, because we still don't have any pumps offering RD anywhere that I am aware of.
Shell oil is good Fuel & Gasoline its Cleaner than the other Gas brands , shell oil Corp’s Filters there Fuel 3’s before Distribution to Stations.
I’ve also heard that biodiesel can gum up the fuel selector valve on OBS Fords, so I avoid it as much as possible. But thanks for clarifying the difference between the different fuels. May switch to the biomass fuels for my 7.3 IDI. Because currently I’m running regular diesel with a little oil added for lubricity.
Biodiesel is a very effective detergent, so it will clean the whole fuel system. On older trucks, that means a lot of crud that’s built up over the years will find its way into the filters, tank selectors etc. Biomass based fuel doesn’t have that issue.
@@JustDiesels the only thing that drives me away from bio is the fungus that can grow in it🤮
@@JustDiesels I've heard that the fuel system getting cleaned out and the crud clogging components and filters is only issue when switching from #2 to Biodiesel for the first time. That once it gets cleaned out, change your filters and everything stay clean. Does that sound right?
Correct. Other issue is gelling and the different atomization of the fuel at high pressures. Bio is cool for older diesels, but I personally wouldn’t run over B20 in anything newer than 2006.
Hopefully Propel HPR will come to AZ soon.
B5 max here in So. Cen. Tx.
Great video. Thoughts on diesel additives for renewable diesel. Will the standard stuff , used for petroleum diesel work on renewable diesel?
Yep! I personally use optilube in pretty much every tank.
Made my day better
Not liking the lights.🤔 sorry, not sure what it is? The Grey truck is sick clean and beautiful! ✌🏻🤘🧡👍🏻😛 🇨🇦.
Regen what's that every truck around here the dpf fell off the day they took it home
Thank you for a great and informative video. Diesel newbie here in California. Is it safe to run Shell R99 in a brand new 2023 Duramax 3.0?
Yep! Totally safe.
@@JustDiesels Thanks Andrew!
Will you ever have a track meet in Ventura county?
What?
Is it still safe to run fuel additives with the renewable diesels? For instance I always add hot shots secret to every fill up for my 21 powerstroke to help with lubricity for my cp4.
Yeah I run optilube every tank. Just adds lubricity etc so no harm done!
@@JustDiesels You run it even though renewable is loaded with lubricity?
Where is R95 getting the lublicity from? I’m not able to find anything on the internet regarding renewable diesel fuels that suggest equal lublicity. What you see is everything you talking about BUT lower lublicity 🤔
I was finding the same dead end. Just says higher lubricity and citane but nothing showing actual number for comparison.
From additives. Typically biodiesel which is why fuel will have up to 5% bio and they don't have to mark the pump stating so. Renewable diesel(HVO) is dry due to little to no aromatics fue to being a paraffinic oil so bio you gain massive lubricity at even 1-2%. That is why Chevron's biofuel blend is R80-B20.
Thanks so much for this...just checking (I'm new to diesel) ...I have a 2022 MB Sprinter Van - 6-cylinder diesel (not their new 4 cylinder engine that came out in 2023) Is R95 or R99 OK to run in this engine? Thanks for your help.
Yep both are totally safe!
@@JustDiesels really appreciate it ...thanks
I want to run a 1.9 tdi on veggie oil and the other half the time on regular diesel
It'd help if this stuff was available outside of California. There's not even b20 here in the Mid Atlantic.
The manual of my 06 dodge it says, compatible with biodiesel blends up to 5% biodiesel so I don't know about b-20.
He directly addressed that exact issue in the video…
I have a serious question what is your opinion on adding stanadyne fuel cleaner with R99?
I personally like to run optilube for added lubricity.
Do you still need to add the Blu additive with R99 diesel?
Yes the two are unrelated.
I have a 2021 duramax 3.0 I accidentally added 6 gallons biodiesel R99 more then 20% my truck was already 3/4 full the 6 gallons filled it up I drove straight home and still can’t stop thinking about it what do you recommend would really appreciate ur opinion thanks
R99 is not biodiesel, it’s biomass based diesel aka Renewable Diesel.
I have an 06 Cummins like yours. Which of these do you run in it? Is it still necessary to run additives with these? Also is there any concern with the fuel filter?
Bio can gel up if cold, but all other options are safe in any weather. I run additive but it isn’t mandatory.
see my comment
im running R99 in Norcal and it even last longer than regular..probably because it burns cleaner?
I agree as someone that works in the fuel and oil industry here in California I can say stay away from Bio Diesel as best as you can
I have found my 6.9 idi to run terrible on R95 when compared to regular #2
A friend is running it on a 6.9 IDI. Zero smoke now and it runs great.
So what’s the catch on the renewable diesel? Much more pricey?
At least near me propel HPR is the same price or slightly cheaper than #2
So far there’s really no catch thankfully.
There is a catch....less energy density than ulsd but not by too much. Although the vehicle will run good because of higher cetane, you will get a lower mpg. Cetane is like a diesel fuels equivalent of gasolines octane. Renewable diesel fuel would be prohibitively expensive here in California or anywhere for that matter but it is heavily subsidized by the state government in hopes that it will eventually reach a price parity with conventional petroleum diesel. This allows them to roll it out statewide and get it at a price point that people will buy. I personally like it but I can't stand the exhaust odor. It is a slightly milder version of those old Mercedes diesels you smell running straight restaurant fryer oil. But if you are emissions intact, there would be no odor.
@@4wdiesels My experience is identical mpg with my 2007 Cummins 5.9.
@@davidanderson8469 With a DPF on renewable diesel, you'll regen less often, so that's what improves MPG. You won't see much if any difference in MPG on non-DPF trucks.
Is it the same in the USA that people feel that the car becomes weaker because of the fuel
Read that a guy felt that he got worse torque with this diesel. so he mixes 70/30 ie 70% regular diesel And 30% of this diesel And then he said he got better torque than with only 100% regular diesel 2 . Note that premium diesel from a German petrol company has a cetane value of 58. Maybe it's perfect? Or somewhere between 54 to 58. A cetane value of 70 is perhaps completely too much if you want maximum performance in the engine
I e don’t Have no 76 Fuel stations in the south & Texas
Love these vids. Thanks Andrew. But you gotta get out of California dude
Nah love it here. I can snowboard and mountain bike in the same day. The state is like a giant natural playground!
@@JustDiesels that is true that it's a very versatile state. I'm originally from Oregon so I understand but in general all the regulations and laws in place have got to be frustrating.
@@JustDiesels Agree. I'm in San Diego. The ocean is five miles away,the mountains 40 and the desert 40 more. No bugs,excessive humidity etc. If we can just get Metro Man Newsom and his fellow Democrats out of there and take their homeless with them it will be that much better.
Hydrotreated vegetable oil = HVO should cope with the cold much better, but maybe you don't have it in the USA? Animal fats can also be used
Chemically speaking, it should be more similar to regular fossil diesel
In Sweden, it has a high cetane value, i.e. 70 or higher
Renewable diesel is HVO.
Haven’t heard anything of it in Canada
Ask your beloved Trudeau to get it then leave.
Can I run off road diesel in a new powerstroke?????
Off road or red diesel is just normal diesel died red and without road tax. It burns the same, but it technically not legal as it’s skipping the road tax. Only matters if you get caught!
As a Los Angeles resident, conventional diesel fuel is getting harder to find. I admit that my '19 Ram 6.7 runs really good on any of the renewable diesel fuels available however, the exhaust smell is sometimes more than I can bear and since my truck is missing some parts, I need to consider everyone else on the road with me during the rush hour crawl. I therefore try to fill up with conventional diesel which Mobil still has. The exhaust odor is way milder and less noticeable.
I find the total opposite! Mine smells way more like diesel exhaust with ULSD, and smells way less intense with ADF.
@Just Diesels I want more of a diesel exhaust smell! The renewable diesel smells slightly milder than the exhaust smell you get from an old Mercedes diesel running straight restaurant fryer oil. On a 6.7 Cummins it really is obnoxious. But like I said, truck runs good. Less energy density though so slightly lower mpg with renewable.
My 01 with straight pipe does not have the traditional petrodiesel exhaust smell either. I can't smell anything really. My dad's stock exhaust 01 which hasn't used renewable diesel surprised me because I haven't smelt that in over a year.
@@4wdiesels You weren't alive when heavy leaded gas was around. If you like the stench of diesel you would have loved heavy leaded gas we used to have. Trucking companies are loving renewables.
@@4wdiesels It's weird. It smells different from engine to engine. In our off-highway equipment, the stuff smells like a burning plastic factory.
My Chevy dealer in So Cal is telling me to ABSOLUTELY NOT use B20 BioDiesel Fuel in my 2019 Duramax regardless of what the manual says.
They're correct.
@@davidanderson8469 The crazy part is engineers at Chevrolet (I have an case open with them) are telling me to NOT to use R99, R95 etc.
Have to respectfully disagree on the R99 "fuel" and using said fuel in an '04 6.0h No Powerstroke...my local Shell here in SoCal abruptly switched from dinosaur squeezings to R99 about 5,000 miles ago, Been running the R99 exclusively until two weeks ago when I lost injectors and my fuel pump (electric not HPOP). Shop diagnosed it as contaminated fuel and after a fuel test the Specific Gravity was close to 60 when it should have been between 30 and 40. Shop told me they are seeing more trucks coming in with wiped out injectors, high pressure pumps and lift pumps all due to the R99. I imagine the trucking industry is seeing their fleets take a hit too.
I was getting ok fuel mileage on R99 but had longer than normal cranks in the morning and it took a little longer to smooth out once started. B20 will run OK but I see about a 1.5 MPG drop. I will search our real D2 and in the event I can find any I will run B20. If all I can find is R99 I will keep looking.
Fuel contamination isn't a fault of the fuel, it's a fault of the handling and/or storage.
@@AkioWasRight but the contamination was the R99 fuel according to the shop.
@@Halfmilesniper If that's what they said, that tells me nothing meanfuling or logical, and the shop is just clueless about the test results.
"Contamination" means something is in the fuel besides the fuel. R99 itself is chemically identical to regular petro-diesel and should not cause such issues by itself. If the fuel was at all "contaminated", it would mean the fuel was impure, which isn't a fault of the fuel. Just like regular diesel, it could have water or junk in it, which is problem with storage or handling.
Did you get second opinion on the fuel test? If both opinions says the fuel was contaminated, it would be the station to be held for the damages.
BTW, I've run R95 and R99 in my all my trucks almost exclusively for a couple of years. One truck has had virtually nothing but R99 or R95 for the last 40k miles, and it's given me zero issues.
@@AkioWasRight glad to hear you've had good luck with the renewable fuel. Me, I'll stick to regular D2 with an occasional tank of B20.
@@Halfmilesniper Fair enough. I'm not promoting it or anything, but just be aware that it maybe the only thing available soon, at least in some markets.
I used 2 tanks of B20 in a 2019 RAM 3500 6.7 Cummins and it ran terrible. Loss of mpg and power loss. Will never use it again.
Okay so use any diesel except b20 and biodiesel
Unless it's specified okay in the manual to run B20 or if it's a pre-2007.5 Diesel. In both those situations you can run B20
I just use drilling rig diesel 😂it’s free
ive never seen another diesel must be a cali thing ha also wmo best fuel out there....
I wouldn't knock it til you try it. Very few have reported negative results.
NO ROLLING COAL!!??
Killing pumps latelty
Anything kills CP4's. My neighbor's Powerstrokes have gone down. One month to fix them.
Funny though i have an 08 6.4 with a siemens k16 pump still original.
My 7.3 isi i can run 25% oil 🛢️🪔 25% gas ⛽ 50% diesel ⛽ baby no emissions 🐂💩 mechanical control 😜💪🤞