How to Save 3rd Gen Cummins Injectors With Fuel Filters and a Fass
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ค. 2023
- Follow along as I take on one of the key flaws of the third gen cummins platform: fuel filtration. 3rd gen common rail trucks suffer from poor stock fuel filtration, which over time leads to injector failure and expensive bills. I opted to install a Fass lift pump on my 3rd gen Cummins as it improves fuel flow, removes air, and most importantly lets me mount a 2 micron fuel filter.
Intro: 00:15
The Install: 0:46
Why You’d Want A Fass: 01:18
Filtration: 01:22
Added Fuel Flow: 03:28
Air Removal 04:42
Draw Straw Install: 05:40
Retaining the Stock Fuel Filter: 06:35
Driving Impressions: 07:20
Why Fuel Filters are an Important Upgrade: 08:35
Outro: 09:44
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I had to replace injectors in my 06 2 years ago. I had 168k miles. My symptoms were noisier than normal engine, and rough cold starts with grey puffs of smoke. No engine damage, my mechanic said I caught it at a good time. Truck runs beautifully now. I’m looking at this after my front end rebuild.
I bought my 2006 5.9l G56 QC SWB 4x4 brand new. Even has the same color as yours. I’ve got 390k miles and original injectors. No extra filtration. Change fuel filter every 10k miles with NAPA Gold filter. Still running strong.
I neglected the fuel filter for a very long time. To the point it would cut out randomly with medium throttle. I’m doing the same now and the truck runs good.
Great work on this! We appreciate the support, Andrew.
Thanks for making an awesome product!
@@JustDiesels You got it 🤝🤝🤝
This video came at the perfect time . Mines being installed this week. Your videos are very , very well made . Thanks a million .
You have convinced me to get a FASS.
Just bought a 08 im definitely getting one, this video was very pefect amd to the point
Great video! I actully just installed a FASS 165 on my channel. You are right, hands down everyone needs one of these lift pumps!
Andrew, totally agree!!! Installed a FASS system on my 03 in 2011 as well as leaving an 8mc Baldwin in the original RAM water separator. My FASS is pushing 20psi to the CP3. One of the best upgrades I have made, bar none. Great call for a topic my friend...Carry on.
Awesome video couldn’t had explained it better
The Baldwin 7977 is a 5 micron filter. Run one in my 3rd gen for 16 years, no issues..
"Striving to make better diesel videos" well you certainly ARE achieving that sir !!
Nice looking truck
I need to pick one up for my 3rd gen
I enjoy your content, while I am not going with a FASS, but rather a Fleece in-tank replacement upgrade and a dual filter setup under the cab, I really appreciate the work you have done on your ride. I did have an off topic question, what brand or type of radio do you have in the cab? I want to upgrade mine to something similar.
Another good option if you don't need the lift pump aspect is to buy a dual screw on filter setup. You can mount the same kinds of filters. The kit I have on my 06 is from a company called trc. It's been working great
I’ve personally felt like in line filters with the stock lift pump is asking for issues as the stock lift pump can barely move fuel as is, so adding more restriction is only going to worsen that. I’d drop my fuel pressure at the cp3 down to 2psi with the stock lift pump and no extra filters! Not sure if you track fuel pressure, but I’d be interested to know where you’re at with those filters and the stock LP in the name of science!
@Just Diesels can't disagree with that. For me it's a temporary solution until I get a Fass on my truck. Had to replace 4 injectors from dirty diesel and just wanted a quick and cheap safety net to prevent that again.
I'm ordering a FASS system for my 99 Ram.
Ah finally! I love your videos. But man pull out the camera and do some VLOG style "how you use your trucks" . Just a fan of diesels and hearing and watching them any time.
Oddly enough, any time I do vlog style videos nobody watches! I’ve kinda shifted my content to what gets views since that’s kinda how I judge what people like. It seems any time a video answers a question, it does well. If it’s just me out enjoying the trucks, nobody cares haha. Go figure since I’m like you and would rather watch the vlog style videos! I’ll try to sprinkle a few more in and see if I can come up with something that works.
@@JustDiesels Thanks for the reply. I like all your content and may or may not be obsessed with the second and third gen trucks you own. But it makes sense what you are saying.
I have a ‘03 HO six speed with 201K, never have had to change the injectors. Has stock fuel filter canister which I change every 15K using a Baldwin filter. Truck is running great, starts right up every time, even gets 22 MPG daily.
Same here. The cost of the fass would cover most of the cost for new injectors. One nice thing about the 03 is the lift pump is super easy to replace if it goes out while on the road, I always carry a spare.
At 201 you’re definitely towards the end of the lifespan of the injectors, but early third gens last longer than late. 06 trucks seem to have the shortest injector lifespan in my experience. Lots of people go the whole life of the truck with the stock filters, I just prefer the extra filtration and insurance.
Next u change your filter. Look down in the filter bowl after u take out old filter and before u put new filter in. My bowl was filled up with sand and dirt. Which in turn took up space for fuel then that allowed the pump to start to run dry and it started eating itself and passing that metal through the injectors. So eventually injectors and pump went to shit. Parts alone were like 3 grand plus. Then at the same time I put a fass on.
@@JustDieselsmy 2003 has 277,000 miles on the original injectors. My Fass 150/150 fuel pump has seen 177,00 miles and I kept the original fuel filter as well. Still getting 23 MPG.
Brother I’d do every 7k miles. What’s a few dollar filter ?
Sorry to bust your bubble but, always a bit right ?
I’ve had two stock 03’s, first one had 300k on the clock when I sold it, 2nd my current daily driver and pull truck has 256k miles. I’ve been told and heard 100’s of time about adding extra fuel filters, sorry I don’t buy it. Tiny bit of my back ground, worked motors and mech. on offshore drilling rigs for 29 and 1/2 yrs. Re built many v12’s and v16’16 EMD motors. Our rig engines ran 24/7, every 3 week we changed the fuel filters. We would get 35k to 40k hrs. before a total rebuild on an engine. Very rare we would have an injector problem. Totally agree with what you are saying about a good filter system. The engineers that designed know a little about filter systems and how much the 5.9 needs as far as psi. As stated above both trks having 300k miles +- I never changed an injector. Only thing ever done besides general maint. is a few clutches. The main reason I never had injector issues is that I always changed the fuel filter when I changed the oil and oil filter, every 7k miles. Bottom line the 03 before April 04 had a perfectly good stock filter system. It’s just that you have to change fuel filter at half the interval that Dodge says.
Oil and filter kits from Genoa Garage is all you need and service those 03’s every 7k miles.
Worthy upgrade. Curious though. What is your mpg with the upgrades?
What size fass did you install? I was looking at the 165GPH. Not sure if anything more than that would put to much pressure on a stick CP3, I have EFI tuning w/ 5 custom tunes making about 500hp. Just curious, it seems like we have similar builds. Thanks!
Would you say the fleece sending unit would be just as good or should I go with fass or airdog ???
Where can I get that draw straw to put in the sending unit I also wouldn’t want to make a hole in my tank
Are you reading the fuel pressure on your EDGE CTS? Was that hard to set up?
Where is the sensor located, on the fass?
How much in total have you spent on this build? Truck price included??
Why did u not go with the fleece power flow in tank series pump?
You should make a video on how to replace your fuel filter and water separator
For a fass? I just pre-fill them with clean diesel, thread on, bump the key a few times to purge air, and then start the truck!
bought my 03 in nov of 02. always changed my fuel filter when i change my oil every 5000 miles. never heard this about the injectors . still have the truck and its got 625,000 miles on it. but i do have to fix the damn plenum box
Fire punk is having a sale on some airdogs. I make my own wire harness so I get what ever is cheapest. The 2019 is $525 for a 150gph. I am assuming you need more than one unit.
Do you have any thoughts on the Fleece Powerflo lift pump? To me it seems like the perfect super clean setup, drops right in place as factory lift pump. I’ve already added cat fuel filter and baldwin water seperator, just tapped directly into the fuel line on the truck. So since the fleece doesn’t have the filters it will work perfectly for my setup
That works too! I’ve just always trusted fass and like that it’s external. If there’s ever an issue, I can just pop it off the frame for easy service without dropping the tank. That said, I’ve never had an issue so that’s probably a moot point haha.
Another great video. Are you able to hear the FASS in the cabin of your truck, when idling, at say a stop light? Or, is it pretty quiet?
Nope! It’s almost completely silent.
Andrew... Another great video as always and thanks much. One quick question. What water sep are you running? It looks to be the FASS but I couldn't tell for sure. Why not run the CAT water separator (175-2949 or "extreme" 256-8753) as well? Thanks again!
I’m running the Fass one for now. Figured I may as well get some usage out of it!
Which unit did you use the 100 or 150?
Im sure others have said it but Balwin filter rated at 5 micron.
All I could see was the open coolant overflow cap in the B-Roll around the 5:20 mark…goshhhh Andrew!
lol I had just topped off the coolant after the head came off and I did studs etc. Guess I forgot to close it before filming haha
What is the grid ylu have in front of your intercooler
Awesome vlog!👍🏽…I noticed that your truck didn’t have the Cab Over America lights on it. It didn’t work out?…Aloha 🤙🏽
I sold them with the old truck, and just haven’t decided if I want lights or not on this one!
Can u link everything you bought for this please?
You get what you pay for! Get good top tier diesel and Hot Shot edt fuel additive along with 2micron filters are my go to. Stay away from cheap diesel it's cheap for a reason
Did you do a 100 or 165?
witch fass pump did u install
What’s a snap test?
I noticed you have a banks monster ram.
What’s your opinion and experience after it was installed ?
Is it worth the $$ ?
Can’t say there’s any noticeable performance gain but it sure looks nice! Lol
Aviation fuel filters for JET-A are 1/4 of a micron.
What was your mileage whem you ourchased your truck? And now?
If you dont mind me asking. I am kn the market for a similar truck. Trying to find a good 1 owner, obviously the lower the miles the better just wondering what you would consider too high
This truck had 40k when I bought it and I currently have about 45k. I bought my last one with 94k and sold it with 140k. Realistically it’s the care of the previous owner that matters more than miles!
Question for ya. What micron rating do 4th gen Cummins trucks have with oem fuel filters?
Honestly not sure as I haven’t ever owned one!
Does adding this, remove the factory filters? oops, just listened to more of the vid. So its an option to keep them?
Yep! You can keep or remove.
what grades in coachella valley?? I10 west bound by the windmills?
No driving east out of Indo. That’s a long, hot climb in the summer.
Do you think the Fass fuel filter 2 micron is good as the CAT 2 micron fuel filter? Why on the answer?
Honestly I don’t know. I just trust the CAT as it’s an industrial grade filter, and ran it on my last truck with great results.
@Just Diesels cool man thank you
Which cat filter do you use? Do u have the number? Seen where if the CAT filter is too short, it won't screw on the pump.
@@JustDiesels wix filters are also 2 microns, reliable, made in the usa and more affordable than the cat filters since 2020 when prices shot up on CAT filters. You can also get them at pretty much any o’reilys. 😉
Did you do ARP studs yet?
Yep! But that will be covered in the next video….
Anyone know of a great diesel mechanic in Northern CA ?To do this kind of work ?
What ac condenser do you have? Looks like it has a hard around it
Stock, with a Genos Garage condenser cover.
@@JustDiesels it looks good
So having worked on diesels for the past 25 years I can point out one thing that is completely and entirely wrong in what you said. There is no air inside the commonrail system, if theres even a tiny airbubble in the system the truck wont start. Air is compressable, so just like in a brakeline youll lose all the pressure in the line if theres air in it meaning your injectors wont open and the engine wont start.
Personally I think the whole liftpump debate, be it airdog or fass is a bit overhyped. If your truck is stock and you change your fuelfilter regularly you wont have a problem, obviously depending on where you fill up and what you put in the tank. Sure its not a bad thing to install a liftpump, or a water separator like both airdog and fass. Im going to do it on my Silverado for sure, Im just saying it isnt an absolute necessity
We’re talking air on a microscopic level here, not a massive air bubble as no diesel will start with that.
@@JustDiesels I know, and its called cavitation. And after googleing it for a while the only sources I can find that are even talking about damaging cavitation in diesel fuel are from companies selling liftpumps. So yea call me sceptical. Im going to do more research on it thou
Soo if I just get bigger injectors do I still need on of this?
That's a damn good question...I'd like to know too
What trailer is that ? That you used to pull the 2nd gen ?
It’s a Yiro trailer. Super cool brand that makes a lot of the trailers for trophy truck race teams here in So Cal.
@@JustDiesels ok cool I’m gonna look them up thanks 👍🏼 keep up the good Content bro
How much 💸 I'm I looking at ? 07.5. 6.7 ram. 188,000 on my 6.7. I think its about time for a fass😅
All depends on sizing, but they aren’t terrible in terms of cost.
Did I hear u live in the epa state itself?? Uncle Newsome will be sending one of boys to repo that beast if u keep advertising videos. Move out now. But it is a nice looking pickup.
Lol yeah the new EV mandate thing is pretty wild, but I love living in the state as I can snowboard and mountain bike in the same day. We’ll see what actually happens.
What about 4tg gens?
Same thing applies!
Hey Andrew. I have an 06 gray ram 2500 5.9 manual just like yours !! Hit me up if you want to make content!! I have a ton of ideas for comparison to stock trucks!!
do you have an email or contact info please?
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THERE IS NO Z DIESEL!
I’m sorry my words have upset you.
any opinions on the airdog kit?
So again you left the original fuel filter on? I guess that’s OK. Like you said getting a little bit extra filtration isn’t a bad thing. It doesn’t interfere with the fass system? By that I mean it doesn’t inhibit your new lift pump? I know fleece makes a delete for it. So do you think in the future you might delete The original fuel bowl?
I see no reason to. I still see proper pressure at the cp3 so it’s just added safety. The only time a fuel filter delete is necessary is for big power trucks truing to move a ton of fuel.
How often would you change the extra original filter?
I change mine every 2 years since I don’t drive the truck much. I barely log 5k a year on it.
Now I can’t decide between Airdog or Fass 🥲
FASS or AirDog - You Decide After Watching This Video
TH-cam · Toxic Performance
Jan 2, 2020
I made my decision after watching this. :)