Should You Use Off Road Diesel Fuel In Your Truck? *EXPLAINED*
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I have been using Red dyed diesel in my pickup for almost 15 years with no problem. I fill my 100 gallon fuel tank that is in the bed of my truck that also can fuel up equipment and have it connected to my main fuel tank I also isolated the truck's fuel fill so it holds about 1 gallon of clear diesel so if someone wants to dip my tank they will get clear diesel. Works great!!
Great system. LOVE it👍
Thats a great idea. How'd you isolate the main tank for a gallon of clear?
dot would like to know your location
@@killroyjohnson1256 I just sealed off the main inlet and the extended to fuel line that feeds the tank, which then holds around a gallon of diesel.
Hahaha Gotcha! Turn yourself in to the nearest police station and bring $100k for the fines 👮🏻♂️🚓
Got pulled over once and the cop wanted to check my fuel. I had regular clear diesel but I told him I don't consent to any kind of search He told me to have a nice day.
I was tested 1 Time since I've been running diesel pickups. D.O.T. was doing a random check at the company I worked for at the time and I just happened to be there. I was not running red fuel but they checked it and was going to put it in a container. I told them to put it back in my truck or I would get them for stealing my fuel.
The d.o.t does not..do the strip test it is the I r.s. it is a tax issue
@@johnwarren5406 explain why Nebraska DOT pulled me over for passing weigh station and pulled a fuel sample to verify I wasn't running red fuel. They check it and also write the ticket for it. Now I wasn't running red fuel so I wasn't concerned about it.
I cant..I had 1 of my trucks stopped 3 times in a day..I drove down there and was introduced to the female i.r.s. agent as it is a tax..
@ john Warren. For your information it was D.O.T. that checked it. I have had to deal with the 2 officers on several occasions. Thank you.
@@Chuckingrocks36 Nebraska also has scales that require pickups pulling trailers ( not RV ) to enter to be weighed.
Keystone pipeline is not shut down! Oil is flowing thru the KPL as we speak.
Here in Alberta, it's generally accepted that vehicles plated with 'farm' plates will run purple diesel whenever they're out and about on farm business. However, all you have to do to have farm business is talk about farming. Not hard.
I did get into it with a cop in Montana about it one time. He was trying to say that I bought the fuel in Montana. I told him to prove it, and I filled it in Alberta where using this fuel was legal. I got after him to show me where me doing something legal in another state/country was illegal in Montana. I walked away without a ticket, but I know many others who didn't.
Yup i run purple in everything except the car, can't get exemption sticker for that plate. But the SUV, pickup, tractors, boat ATV etc its fair game. Had the same experience in BC over the dyed diesel but same result, time waisted but no fine.
Some states have an acreage minimum 10 in South Carolina
Its your job to know the local laws and regulations of the environment you're getting into. Same exact concept with concealed carry.
Try that in the state of Missouri lol
@@timmebruer5205 There's a reason it's pronounced 'Misery'.
The highway police here in Arkansas occasionally set up road blocks and test your diesel for red dye.. they flag diesel vehicles over and let the gas vehicle go on... I drive an Oldsmobile diesel car occasionally and they've never flagged me over as I don't believe the modern cops even knew GM made diesel cars..
Great video!!
Dang I just watched a revival on the channel JunkyardDigs about your car. Absolutely awesome car! 💯🙌✌
Don't consent, and illegal search
@@mrmotofy yeah try that
@@timmebruer5205 I have, no questions answered and no searches
@@mrmotofy yeah right.
It'll happen.
I worked for a company that replaced underground fuel oil tanks for people's furnaces. Heating oil basically. When we decommissioned them we pumped them out got to keep what was left. My boss used to let his Dad come and fill up his dual tank diesel truck and it seemed to run fine but also had the red dye in it also.
I ran farm diesel in my 7.3 NO issues. I made a filtration set up and collect old motor oil to filter Ed it. my 7.3 Loved it!
Diesels were designed to run on hemp seed oil. I stood for that for many years beginning 30 years ago. 75 percent less soot with no loss of power. We could be growing our fuel.
Same with bio diesel, made from soy… Some of the best lubricity out there. Just kept in the dark by big oil
I run on the oil myself. I like the stuff with a couple extra additives such as the thc blend.
Okay Jenn m. MxdodOzo
we could make diesel out of plastic but we're not allowed to. prohibition was a government law passed because of oil companies not wanting us free thinking Americans use alcohol instead of gasoline... they'll do anything to continue the war on the globe for oil
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When I had my 7.3 I used tyranny fluid every 6 months to keep fuel system clean for 17 years and never had injection problems. I even used vegetable oil and the real off road and never got checked .
When I drove OTR I’d dump 1 qt tranny fluid in each tank once a month to keep injectors clean. Also never had issue
How much trans fluid you run at a time in the tank
@@rickeydriskill1096 you really mean Gender Neutral Fluid.
I put transmission or marvel mystery oil in every fill up in both my 7.3
When we first started to see ultra low sulfur diesel at the pump
Off road fuel was better for your truck the process of taking the sulfur out of the diesel fuel actually took away some of the lubrication properties of the diesel fuel making on road fuel WORSE for your truck
Just a heads up if your anyone is thinking of running off-road diesel once in awhile it will actually stay in the system for a few fillups afterwards. I myself never add ATF Straight to the tank but do add ATF or Marvel Mystery Oil in the fuel filters when changing and priming filters and some of it returns to tank of course.
In my experience on my 6.0, atf will turn a tank red. Just make sure to keep the empty containers in the truck or bed or even a half full one if you want to fill up your uh “tractor” with red
I was an over the road driver for many years. Some states have the semis pull into the ag station and they dip your tanks.
Off road is the same as on road, just red. But did you know that they also sell the off road as home heating oil.
You do still pay some taxes on the off road (state and city sales taxs), you do not pay the road tax.
At work we have two 1,000 gal on road tanks and one 500 gal off road tank. When or fuel supplier did the first fill the driver screwed up and filled our off road tank with on road and they chargedus for the off road. I seen that and filled up our trucks from the off road tank.
Key Stone pipeline was not shut down. KeyStone XL was but you have to understand that that crud oil tar from Canada was to be exported.
love how electricity isn't road taxed in EVs
Yet
Not yet but just wait!!! All electricity probably will be heavily taxed if the biden regime gets their way!
Give them time and they'll find a way.
Just did two trips with my L5P to the UP from SE Mi for snowmobile trips, diesel was a little cheaper up there. I use both on and off road in my Kubota on the property in N.Michigan, I put additives in both for my truck and tractor. We are getting railroaded no matter what!!!
With fuel on the rise. I feel the super troopers, county, and local are for sure going to ramp up on dipping tanks. It’s easy revenue. And REVENUE is the bottom line in many cities and counties.
The county should be too busy counting all their new property tax money.
@@jonathantaylor6926 true. They are excited about that
I went to a GM training session some years ago in Arizona. One the guys there said at the dealership they were filtering used tranny fluid and burning that straight in there diesels. I thought that was interesting, I told him up North we burn it for heat. lol Diesel in my part of ND is 4.59 and 4.28 for dyed. Gas is 3.88 for the cheap stuff.
Fuel shortage in 2008, stations in my area were allowed by the State to sale off-road diesel for highway use. But, some stores were F****** people with not posting it on the pumps and on top of that charging the same per gallon as highway diesel. I ended up filling truck with off-road fuel at the same station I regularly got fuel, no posting on pump which was a State requirement.
I had a 5.9 Cummins, the truck ran fine with off-road fuel but the fuel filter was a mess, changed it every 500 miles until system was clean after getting highway fuel back in the truck.
Don't know about now, but in our State it use to be $1,000 per gallon fine for every gallon of off-road diesel found in a highway use truck.
Nice video Josh ! I just paid almost $9 a gallon here in France and I’m thinking to buy me a 12V again and run her on waste oil like I did back in the days 🤷🏻♂️
thats what i do in my vw
A farmer buddy was driving a farm vehicle that could legally use off road diesel. He got fined because he was towing a trailer with the truck and that negated the farm use exception while the trailer was attached.
Yep! here in Western Washington State the price of Diesel has been over 6.00 bucks per gallon for a while, My Dodge Gen 2 has mostly been parked since the price has made it to high to operate. I also was in the Army but before your time and I really enjoy your channel.
Bulk ag diesel here in North Florida seems to have higher particulate than the regular diesel fuel. I run it through a 10 ppm filter and it's crystal clear, no issues in sawmills, tractors, heavy equipment.
I have used #2 fuel oil house heating oil in diesels for the pat 40 plus years i have even used #3 witch is a little less refined but still works fine, i had one 8v71 with 45k hours before needing overhaul
i've used heating oil {dyed} and noticedno change except i saved money
The high sulfur (500 PPM) did have a substantial performance gain over ULSD (15 PPM) however is no longer produced as of 2010, it did in fact roll the coal. Prior to 2010 the DOT would check vehicles with a sniffer probe at the exhaust. Now they dip the tank with a swab and I have even had DOT pull my fuel filter at a toll booth outside of Pittsburg to check for a stained filter. Road tax in my state is .45 per gal. but as high as .78 per gal. in CA . Fines for running off road, on road is in fact 10k fine/ first offence, but more realistic fine handed down by a Judge for first offence is usually $500. Second offence is a different story, expect the 10k base fine + X amount per gal. of fuel in the tank and up to 90 days in jail. So I guess you have to ask yourself "Well, do you feel lucky".🍀👍🏼👍🏼
In some states you also have to pay a per diem for days you spend incarcerated.
Yeah this is all that goes into my truck. Gotta love a smaller town. I fill up in front of any/everybody.
We used to have an old tractor when i did lanscaping and we ran home heating fuel in it. Undyed, cleaner (never roaled coal even under high stress) and ran awesome. Of course dont let DOT catch you lol
Here in northern New Mexico $4.12-$5.05 God help us these next three years with you know who. God bless brother
John where in NM are you?
Espanola $4.12 Santa Re around the same depends on where you go and Albuquerque up to $5.00
5.09 in Farmington
Well I learned something... I know about winter and summer diesel. But this is new to me. I used to hear about "farm diesel "... didn't know if or think anything about if it was "red" diesel or not. They (the farmers I knew) ran it in everything they had. Interesting topic and with the price of fuel. Good info for folks to know. This whole situation is a political debacle and sad representation of those in office. Who don't pay for fuel or groceries or anything else... and make a salary well above the hard working everyday Americans who elected them. Same applies to the over paid media who attempt to project themselves as "everyday working Americans ". They too don't pull up to the pump or walk the aisles of the stores. They have "people who do it for them. With the income they make...it's not affecting them. Anyway... to get off that soap box... Have you ever looked into the alternative of collecting waste vegetable oil and converting it ? Smells like a bad restaurant going down the road... but it was cheap ! Sadly I am old enough to remember that in high school... I paid 29 cents a gallon for gas... at a "full service " gas station ! .... Stay positive and keep up the good work Truckmaster.
Ron
I worked with a kid who put vegetables oil waste in his Diesel VOLVO. It was hard starting and it smoked to no end. That's just one story of mine, I understand that. But that's what I saw. He just got the bulk waste oil from Restaurant no filtering of vegetable oil.
@@rp1645 interesting to know... I saw the process on a car show years ago. It was a popular show then and the process was new. Trying to get a start. Don't really hear a lot about it.
In order to burn that oil you have to filter I then heat it up and filter it again.. in order to burn it in a truck you will need another separate tank to burn it.. you must have a good oil heating source on the truck to keep it warm enough to burn. Also need to the first start up with diesel and shut the truck off with diesel.
Wvo just needs to be filtered. Other steps are necessary for a diesel truck to run off wvo, these extra steps are not needed if the right modifications have been made or running a multi-fuel.
Great discussion! Thanks for the informative video!
Appreciate the information - thank you.
Ud be doing what electric car owners are doing and evading road tax.
If I'm not mistaken they have to pay a higher wheel tax due to them not using and gas
@Brandon Austad that would only apply to states where they have enacted something like that. Not all have yet.
Just across the border from you in Windsor, Ontario. Diesel is currently $2.24 a litre. Which is $8.47 a gallon CAD. This equals $6.60 a gallon USD when converted. It’s funny too because Windsor has good prices compared to other cities in Canada LOL
Yea bro niagara is same way 2.20 and up
I used to work in a truck repair shop that did a good bit of HD and medium duty repairs, I'd find about 1 in 10 running dyed diesel, and nearly all of the municipal or county vehicles running it. Back in the day it was a problem in some earlier electronic injected diesels according to the manufactures but I've not heard anything about it lately.
I have noticed that the off road diesel here isn't much cheaper when its sold at the pump for some reason. I topped off at one gas station with on road fuel for $6.89 last week, and the station a mile up the road had off road fuel for $7.01.
No 2 heating oil is currently $7.00/gal unless you fill up, where as its $4.10 right now, so prices are all over the place.
I'm glad I filled up all my reserve tanks when it was below a $1/gal two years ago.
If the prices stay high or continue to increase, its likely going to be cheaper to just stay home as its costing more to run my truck and car, (both diesel) than I make some days.
A 0.5 micron bag filter works wonders for that red dye, that is all.
I'll check that out, thank you
@@TheMatthewDMerrilldid you try it does it work?
Is it the polyester?
@@naizgiyemane8861 I have not tried it yet, still want to when I can
I've never ran red diesel in my pickup. I have been dipped, and last winter in Minn. I got dipped and my fuel was Red but it was not from off-road diesel it was from running 911 anti-gel which turns your fuel red. I had to prove that I put 911 in my tank, I kept the jug of 911 and had to prove that I bought taxable diesel in my last fill up. I think that if you were to use it one just can't pull up to a pump and pump on 30 gallons of ORD. I work construction so I carry at least 200 gallons of ORD in a tank in my pickup all of the time, and in Minn and Mich I've been pulled over about 25 times over the years and had my tank dipped. But I know several farmers that have never been pulled over and they just fill at the bulk tank by the barn so you know its ORD they are using. And you are right we are paying tax on that fuel its just not road tax.
I was caught with dyed fuel in 2008 in my 97 12v in Utah. The fine was $100. The big fines are on semis.
Just curious, how did you get caught?
So 1/2 tank of fuel lol
How they catch you and why did they check you
I have run off road in my 06 duramax on and off for 10 years, no problems. Idaho
Hello Josh. Good information about the different types of diesel.
The only difference between offroad and normal diesel is the dye and the off road diesel is not taxed
and the sulfur content. an old 7.3 or 12v will eat dyed diesel all day, but the newer emission restricted trucks wont like it so much.
edit: yeah i guess i didnt realize that changed, and all the pumps around me still have the old high sulfur warning stickers on them
Only difference is color. You got it
Congress gets a 21% raise but we can’t run off road. Fuck them
We use the same fuel just inject dye while filling the tankers, its a automated injection system at the fuel refinery i work at
@@domusdebellum3042 OLD info...there's no difference anymore. Watch the vid, research it
We just loaded up with diesel for the year in January. The difference between #2 dyed (farm use) and #2 clear (on road) was $0.78, which is state and federal road tax on top of the base price for #2. The last time diesel jumped, the state patrol really ramped up checkpoints at weigh stations dipping tanks of semi‘s. You are correct, it is ip to a $10,000 fine (in Washington state) and from everything I heard it is pretty much impossible to get reduced or dropped. I also learned of a gentleman who took his truck to a dealership for warranty service forgetting he had red in the tank and they turned him in… Pickup trucks are a little bit harder for them to check on the roadside compared to semi’s , it’s a risky gamble due to the fact that they just do not cave on the fine if caught! Great topic Josh!
They need a warrant for any search and seizure.
@@duckwacker8720 The state patrol can randomly inspect trucks at any time without cause at checkpoints. This falls under that unfortunately
If they did that to me, I’d never give them my business again. It’s ok for most to swindle innocent ignorant folks out of a serpentine belt when they went in for an oil change, or changing a wheel hub when they went in for a brake change. All shops do it to a point, but that’s ok 👌
Just don’t put red dye diesel in or they’ll rat you out.
Why I love the 6BT. It can run on great Canadian maple syrup!
When I had my Jeep Liberty crd I used off road for a while when Fuel was expensive in 2014. I would buy in 5 gallon cans. Put 1/2 a tank of on road fuel in the jeep then fill the rest at home. At that time off road was also ultra low sulfur too. I never got caught and the Jeep Liberty was very uncommon with a diesel engine so it wouldn't attract much attention to be even checked. It is a big fine if you get caught so I can't advise doing. I'm driving a gas Toyota now so it's not something I need to even think about.
Last time fuel was this high i left Montana and entered Wyoming, the state was doing random dot inspections. The officer handed me a piece of paper stating please read: I'm going to check your fuel, for any reason you refuse is a instant $1000 fine. I told officer go ahead and check but make sure the cap is on tight after. This was years ago. I could imagine the fines now. I drive a semi by the way.
Should have told him get a search warrant.
Yes you can just don’t get caught
I was an Over The Road Truck Driver . Back in the day It was legal to buy and run Red diesel on the road and there was a higher suffer content. Back then before mid '90s Red Diesel was night and day different in the way a vehicle.
ran and pulled.
The worst thing for diesels and trucking has been the California and Federal government restrictions. Clean air regen after treatments destroyed the diesel engine and performance. Just try to keep them running without "D" rating shutdown.
Did it for more than 20 years. Runs the same. Ran drip gas in my old Chevy pickup. It ran hot and smelled funny.
Ive been told if you had to use red fuel to get out of a sticky situation you can ask the gas station tenant to ad the tax to the red fuel and as long has you kept the receipt they would let it go. I Have not tested that though.
$4.50 - $5.00 in Missouri, Never ever vote Democrat.
About 50 miles away there was a guy loosing clear diesel. They suspected a guy, but could never catch him. The guy filled up the filter, and hose on his bulk tank with red diesel. When it was gone, the guy contacted the sheriff, who connected DOT. They stopped the thief, dipped his tank. When all done his cost was just about $48,000!
Also there is blue diesel fuel for marine use.
School district owned buses, county equipment and vehicles can legally use red fuel.
Hello from north east Montana.
10 miles from the Canadian border.
I remember on the farm getting off road diesel and it was clear just like the on road.
I’ve been away for the weekend, but I know in northern pa where I live it’s $5.96 for for on road diesel and it’s on $4.27 for off-road
I live in Central Pa On road is $5.49-$5.95 and by my house off road is $4.28 so pretty close in comparison
Hard to believe PA has by far the highest tax rate on fuel in the country, even more than epa loving California
One trick used to get rid of the dye is to use translucent storage containers, stored outside in the sun the dye gets bleached out in a couple weeks.
You run the risk of algae growing in the diesel when sunlight is absorbed
@@matone184 It typically takes months for that to happen and typically water needs to be present in the fuel. And the algae that grows in diesel, is not an algae but a bacteria and the UV from sun exposure that bleaches out the dye ALSO kills the bacteria. And really if you are worried about it you just toss some biocide in it which is SOP for any diesel storage tank anyway. So that risk that you are concerned about is a non risk..
No red dyed diesel in AK and no blue dyed diesel in AK. I’ve delivered both but it was ruled out because Blue diesel looked like the long established LL100 aircraft gasoline. It took years for the red fuel in heating tanks to get rid of the red dye. When it was first implemented we had to dump the dye over the top when loading, later they installed automatic injectors to place the dye into the fuel while loading.
I wouldn’t use ATF in my diesel. I have used two stroke oil before the refinery started adding lubricity to the fuel to replace the lubrication lost when it went to ULSD.
I don't recommend it for sure, but you do what you gotta do. When I first bought my diesel truck years ago, I didn't know there were different diesel fuels.
I will add one short note... I give kudos to the governor of my state. Who was clearly asked to drop the state "gas tax". The response was very well said and honest. The Governor said it was "strongly considered " however the tax was established [when prices were actually dropping]. In order to cover some much needed maintenance and repair costs for roads and highway conditions.... Which are now underway and projected costs and budget was covered by the fuel tax. Or it would be dropped. An honest politician... ummm say it so... 🤔
He lied to you bud. 99% of highways and 87% of roads in America are built and maintained by private corporations. It's a bigger tax write off than any charity out there.
I took a trip to Ca in June last year and from Az to Ca. prices went up dramatically and on my first stop in Ca I opted for Off-road, I used at least 6 fillups until I made it back to Az where I continued to use the regular diesel. I did not note any changes on my 2020 GMC AT4HD, I later looked up the use of theOff-road version and found no difference other than commercial truck drivers getting fined f they used to hit, hint the red die! and tax exemptions for agricultural use, please let me know if I'm not correct!
Where did you find six places with red die in cali?
My friend runs farm diesel fuel in his boat. An Apache has a Daytona diesel engine. Center console. Awesome boat
Years ago I was running up in New England another driver was bragging that he used red. About 10 minutes later we crossed into New Hampshire and got pulled in for a fuel check. They pulled him around back. 3 hours later when I came back through, he was still sitting there. Thinking DOT was monitoring channel 19 that day.
Simple answer yes it's only dyed red and untaxed
2 topic recommendations that I hope you’ll cover. Black diesel…used oil and gasoline mixed and filtered. Doing some performance stuff, lubricity issues, ok for common rail or not, etc. Second topic…cover a RDS super core 64mm turbo and how it compares to a complete drop in RDS 64mm turbo. I hope you’ll do these!
Thanks for the suggestions
I agree, I have been thinking about running black diesel in my deleted 07.5 LMM duramax but can’t seem to pull the trigger, if you could do a video on running black diesel in a duramax that would be much appreciated.
I have ran some black diesel and lots of used veg oil in old generators and tractor. Constant filter replacement even with prefiltration. The ip wears and injectors get gunked up pretty quick. I think salt and moisture dissolved in the veg oil hurts the most. I mixed it with regular diesel and small amount gas. Basically stretching my diesel out. These new diesels barely run as is, I would bet they cant handle any garbage.
I wouldn't do it on newer trucks. That's the benefit of the older diesels and other trucks with different engines. I do that all the time, but my deuce is not a picky eater.
My neighbor would run red diesel instead of green. Had a 100 gallon tank in bed of truck. Use to drive multiple times to north Carolina and back to Ohio. The 7.3 finally took a crap. He used it as a trade in for when they did the cash for clunkers. Got a unleaded truck because gas prices was going up.
In Iowa haven't been pulled over, but usually they aren't going after pickups unless your hauling with trailers on interstate. But it's usually spring and fall you have to watch out for dot.
I may or may not 🤔have used red fuel in my truck. I have however used red fuel in my machines and as long as it was low sulphur as the machine specs(and my truck) required it was perfectly fine.
Thank you for explaining this Difference in the Two Diesel fuels. YES I do the same fill my Yellow 5 gallon plastic can( side note, do only fill your yellow cans with Diesel) separate the two cans, use only YELLOW for Diesel. Use RED for your regular GAS fuels. There is a video on a guy who sells farming tractor and attachments
He stress's the important need to color code your cans. YES he tells of small time farmer ( backyard guys) who have put GAS in there Diesel tractor. It happens when you are tired in a hurry. The important thing is the TAX amount people pay at pump. I wish it would show TAX you pay per gallon at Pump. I get a break down of TAX on my monthly bill, from my Fuel Farm supplyer. It will shock people if they saw the State & Federal TAXS they pay per Gallon. My State is highest in nation I believe. Just crazy how much TAX you pay per gallon. I worked with people who all they did was blame big oil company when my States price went up. The dirty truth was it was just the TAX price went up
What made me so mad listening to there Bitching, they all were Drinking STARBUCKS coffee paying $7 dollars for there fufu CUP repeat CUP of COFFEE. What does it take to drill a cup of GAS product out of ground or ocean bottom. The massive support systems that oil rigs need. Conpairison to growing COFFEE beans, harvest the bean, then prosses it for market. People have no problem paying Millionaire of Starbucks that $7 dollars for ONLY a cup of coffee. Then bitch about a TAX hike on fuel prices. Blaming big oil. Please people find out what you pay per gallon in your State on fuel TAXS, you will be shocked. I do support road repair, expansion of lanes, ECT. That cost million in your States interstate Highway system. Bridges need to be upgraded
YES a simple age of are interstate that needs to be addressed. The TAXS you pay at pump, goes to roadway improvement. The Public must have a brake down though on every TAX dollar that goes to Highway work, Repair. With Price at pumps so high. What is going to oil company and what is going to roads. The public must see that with price per gallon so high now, in my Humble opinion. If you use off road Diesel, just like video says pray you don't get in accident and have a leaky Diesel tank, with dyed Diesel spilling all over road to see. Especially with the State D.O.T. commercial Truck enforcement. They will add on charges to you, even if wreck is not your fault.
I have yellow and red cans, I had to use a red one for diesel so I wrote all over it in sharpie that it is diesel
@@grantthomas5501
I have done the same thing, with a black sharpie marker .
Here in idaho its 5.09 for on road 4.88 for off road thank you so much for vidos help me out with lly
I don't own a truck but one of my favorite channels. Be safe god bless 🙌.
Thanks 🙏
Red diesel can also be used for space heaters.
But as for getting busted, I've been talking to a number of mechanics and LEOs in my area and not only do they not check for that, but some didn't even know what red diesel is. Perhaps if I'm a situation like the wreck you mentioned where the fuel tank is ruptured and the situation is inescapable they might ding one for running red diesel, but as far as I can figure out nobody is actively looking for on road use of red diesel around here.
Depends on your location. In west texas state troopers can check and do check for it.
@@carls2210 maybe if you're commercial but not privately owned vehicles. I do not consent to any searches or seizures of my property. They would need a search warrant to open my fuel door and dip my tank.
Only if the tax collector is investigating the crash scene. I highly doubt the story he told about the ruptured tank, the fine, and the arrest.
@@jsmith71251 right, most cops don't know the difference between red coolant, red tranny oil, or red fuel.
@@Tombomb1816 yeah they can .
Refuse and make them get a warrant and they will definitely find something wrong
It's taxed just not road taxed an make no mistake it is all political look at a the politicians that heavenly invested right before it started going up. Funny how politicians do better on the stock market then the best investment firms it is quite desturbing
I wish a chemist would come up with a way to add something to the dyed fuel to change the color to green or clear !
I’m from Texas and i burn red diesel every day in my 2016 lml all you need is some farm tags and your good buddy
It is my understanding that some states are more "enthusiastic" about this type of enforcement than others - at least for non-commercial applications. I've read one account where authorities went to a cattle sale barn and were dipping tanks and crawling under the trucks that had external fuel tanks to see if they were plumbed into the trucks fuel system. If so, that sounds like a good reason to put a locking cap on your truck. Would they have to produce a search warrant in that case? I don't know...
Without a warrant I don't believe they can do that 4 amendment
Here if you have farm tags and your truck is used for ag then you can run offroad, but it depends on state and amount of use, going to sale barn for auction is supposed to be one of those uses
Yes, without probable cause LEO could not search the fuel tank. That would be a violation of a citizen’s constitutional rights. Same rules apply when it comes to searching a car. Even if you are stopped the LEO would have to have reasonable suspicion (and be able to explain that to a judge) why he believed the driver was using off-road diesel.. If he can’t the case would be dismissed. If the feds are involved well… the feds do whatever they want apparently your rights don’t apply.
I use off road diesel or "fuel oil" to keep my house warm, lol. I really need to switch to natural gas though. $450 to stay warm for 3 weeks (if I'm lucky) is ridiculous
Ever heard of firewood?
@Gun_Nerd maybe, lol. Nowhere around here to cut my own though, and the cost to get it delivered would outweigh the benefits.
@@rapTorfx4 want some help? Grab a cheap solar kit and a space heater. What state you live in?
Wish we had that option in Nebraska , the DOT officer's have random checkpoints for commercial trucks and pickups pulling campers and will dip in your tank to check for red diesel .
All I use is red dye diesel, can’t beat the price.
I’ve ran farm fuel in my LBZ off and on since 2007. Never been dipped. Its never been a price thing. Just easier for me to fuel up from my farm tank. Around here, about the only time I’ve EVER heard of anyone being checked was at the stockyards. Back in the day, when highway diesel was first switched to LSD and ULSD, there WAS a difference in the two. The off road diesel had a higher sulfur content. Now days that’s not the case. It’s all ULSD. No advantage of one over the other except for taxable and non-taxable. Like I stated before, only reason I use it is because I have it right here on my farm, on hand. But yes, I buy my fair share of highway diesel as well. Not like I fill up with farm fuel each time. But beware, it takes A LOT of tanks worth of highway fuel to get rid of the red stuff. I’m not telling you to run it, but I ain’t saying don’t do it either. It’s your truck, you know your state, and if your likely to get caught or not. It’s your call, and your hind end if ya do get checked.
The fuel comes out of the same tank At the card lock, the Dye is on the pump. If the Dye is out the Marked fuel pump will not work!
You run red in your truck as long as you don't go on the road. I have heard of guys getting checked at sale barns and truck stops, but I've never seen it. Technically, if you are driving a tractor on the road it's supposed to have road diesel in it. Like if for example hauling corn or manure with a tractor and wagons. I really doubt anyone would get fined for that, but definitely don't put red fuel in a farm semi hauling grain.
Don't give them ideas.
Thank you for the info bro
Chevron diesel price is 6.89 per gallon in Napa California
Nevada DOT runs red fuel in all of their diesel vehicles. They few times I ran it in my LBZ the red fuel seemed to have a higher cetane because it sure made a huge difference in mpgs. I just moved to Texas, and am slowly building my black diesel filtration setup
All in your mind. The two fuels are identical, except for the color.
Do you have any insight on running waste oil like cooking grease in a newer diesel? Can the high pressure injectors handle this?
It’s mainly all the emissions things that get clogged up from it. It’s not a good idea in newer trucks.
This info is from my experience as an electrical design engineer. Diesel generators. In 2007 the Federal Government enacted to the fuel companies to manufacture low sulfur diesel for licensed motor vehicles only and several years later for off road use diesel. The fuel companies decided that they did not want to make two different products and changed all diesel to be low sulfur. So, the generator engine companies, construction, and farm equipment manufacturers had to scramble to make changes to (I believe) their pumps which would no longer have the sulfur lubrication.
Up here in traverse it’s $4.89. I went down to Ohio Wednesday. Some spots down there were $5.49
I have ran red on my 2016 Ram 3500 since 2018
No issues.
At this point it's worth the risk
I agree
@@TruckMaster IAM in southern California diesel is about 7 bucks a gallon. It's crazy
@@TruckMaster in California the fine is 1000 per gallon ur caught with in tank ..tax evasion
Why not just get an Electric Truck ???
What is a battery?' I think Tesla said it best when they called it an Energy Storage System. That's important.
They do not make electricity - they store electricity produced elsewhere, primarily by coal, uranium, natural gas-powered plants, or diesel-fueled generators. So, to say an EV is a zero-emission vehicle is not at all valid.
Also, since forty percent of the electricity generated in the U.S. is from coal-fired plants, it follows that forty percent of the EVs on the road are coal-powered, do you see?"
Einstein's formula, E=MC2, tells us it takes the same amount of energy to move a five-thousand-pound gasoline-driven automobile a mile as it does an electric one. The only question again is what produces the power? To reiterate, it does not come from the battery; the battery is only the storage device, like a gas tank in a car.
There are two orders of batteries, rechargeable, and single-use. The most common single-use batteries are A, AA, AAA, C, D. 9V, and lantern types. Those dry-cell species use zinc, manganese, lithium, silver oxide, or zinc and carbon to store electricity chemically. Please note they all contain toxic, heavy metals.
Rechargeable batteries only differ in their internal materials, usually lithium-ion, nickel-metal oxide, and nickel-cadmium. The United States uses three billion of these two battery types a year, and most are not recycled; they end up in landfills. California is the only state which requires all batteries be recycled. If you throw your small, used batteries in the trash, here is what happens to them.
All batteries are self-discharging. That means even when not in use, they leak tiny amounts of energy. You have likely ruined a flashlight or two from an old, ruptured battery. When a battery runs down and can no longer power a toy or light, you think of it as dead; well, it is not. It continues to leak small amounts of electricity. As the chemicals inside it run out, pressure builds inside the battery's metal casing, and eventually, it cracks. The metals left inside then ooze out. The ooze in your ruined flashlight is toxic, and so is the ooze that will inevitably leak from every battery in a landfill. All batteries eventually rupture; it just takes rechargeable batteries longer to end up in the landfill.
In addition to dry cell batteries, there are also wet cell ones used in automobiles, boats, and motorcycles. The good thing about those is, ninety percent of them are recycled. Unfortunately, we do not yet know how to recycle single-use ones properly.
But that is not half of it. For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive embedded costs."
Everything manufactured has two costs associated with it, embedded costs and operating costs. I will explain embedded costs using a can of baked beans as my subject.
In this scenario, baked beans are on sale, so you jump in your car and head for the grocery store. Sure enough, there they are on the shelf for $1.75 a can. As you head to the checkout, you begin to think about the embedded costs in the can of beans.
The first cost is the diesel fuel the farmer used to plow the field, till the ground, harvest the beans, and transport them to the food processor. Not only is his diesel fuel an embedded cost, so are the costs to build the tractors, combines, and trucks. In addition, the farmer might use a nitrogen fertilizer made from natural gas.
Next is the energy costs of cooking the beans, heating the building, transporting the workers, and paying for the vast amounts of electricity used to run the plant. The steel can holding the beans is also an embedded cost. Making the steel can requires mining taconite, shipping it by boat, extracting the iron, placing it in a coal-fired blast furnace, and adding carbon. Then it's back on another truck to take the beans to the grocery store. Finally, add in the cost of the gasoline for your car.
A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust for just - one - battery. Sixty-eight percent of the world's cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?"
I'd like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being 'green,' but it is not! This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.
The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicon dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.
Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades. Sadly, both solar arrays and windmills kill birds, bats, sea life, and migratory insects.
There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions. I predict EVs and windmills will be abandoned once the embedded environmental costs of making and replacing them become apparent. "Going Green" may sound like the Utopian ideal and are easily espoused, catchy buzz words, but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth's environment than meets the eye, for sure.
F n thank you. Somebody finally said it.
Interesting... never saw the red diesel sold at a normal gas station. I live in RI (Northeast US) where oil heat is common, so up here it's called "heating oil" but it's the same thing as off road diesel. I have a couple spare tanks that I pump into after I call the truck to fill up my main tank (they only fill up a tank that's connected to a home heating system, so I pump down the main tank right before the delivery truck arrives), and I use it in my little garden tractor, will be using it in my recently converted to diesel snow blower, and my main purpose for stocking it other than for heat, is for my home backup generator. Also have a portable diesel air compressor (wheelbarrow, not the massive tow behind one), and am going to be engine swapping a pressure washer from gas to diesel. I also have a couple of those Chinese "parking heaters" which run on diesel/heating oil, and I rigged it up to be an indoor space heater w/ the exhaust going out the window. But my goal is to have all my small engines run on diesel, which I guess is funny cause I drive a gasoline vehicle. Other than the noise (small engines), I really prefer diesel over gas cause it's more efficient and the fuel doesn't go bad as easily. I am in the process of putting together a gasoline transfer pump though, so that I can get the max amount when I have grocery story discounts and store some at home (also is nice to have some fuel reserves with all the crazy going on in the world. And putting together as in, putting filters and quick connect fittings on a legit fill rite pump so I can move bulk fuel around easily)
Driving class 8 trucks I have been checked by DOT. they dip the tanks looking for it. One does not want the fine for that. With prices rising I wouldn't be surprised if DOT really start dipping tanks.
Well, I wouldn't risk putting off road diesel in my truck and get caught!!! The Fuel tax here in Washington State is currently .49 per Gal!! Diesel prices are at $5.60 and up per gal!! This sucks for everyone!! All the products carried by big rigs is going to offset these prices!! Hang in there everyone!!!
I don’t know what the fuel tax in NC is now, about 5 years ago on the pump it stated the tax. Back then it was $0.78 tax on ever gallon of gasoline.
.88cents difference other day
500 gallons. Bet your sweet butt it going in the road truck…
I may or may not have used off road in my trucks back in the day lol 😂 and no it never messed up anything and it was used in 12v Cummins, 7.3l power stroke, Kenworth semi and a Peterbuilt !!! May or may not have been some top quality fuel! Lol 😂 great now I’m definitely going to get stopped and get my tank checked😭
I have 2 tractors that I totally use off road diesel and have never had a problem. Both tractors are stored inside and so I have no problem with water either. I did have a Perterbilt 379 but I never put off road in it. That would be crazy.
I've been primarily using off-road diesel in the trucks at my work. Never experienced any issues
It’s about $5.50 here in central Texas
LET’S GO BRANDON!
Living in the Sierra, a lot of loggers were filling on site with red diesel.
Some lib ratted them out so the State sent out sniffer trucks, they can literally see your exhaust, the red dye is apparently laced with a mineral that's visible to these units.
So if you want to take the risk, stay off the highways/freeways, stay on back roads, they probably won't catch you.
I just filled my Dodge Cummins, almost seven bucks a gallon, ($100.0 for less than a half tank) I may just take the risk since I have 2000 gallons of red dye for my rigs.
Does anyone know just how much you can mix red dye with clear and get away with it? ( ;
If I were you I’d get a separate fuel reservoir for the back of your truck and plumb it so that fuel goes to your engine, not the fuel from your stock tank.
Put some red fuel in a big clear plastic tote / like the ones pesticides come in for farming and leave it in the sun . It will bleach the dye out of the fuel
@@lonewolf7770 👍
Thanks, I'll try it today.
You can make a filter with kitty litter to leach the dye out
Higher sulfur percentage LSD diesel lubricates pre-2007 diesel engines better because the removal of more sulfur in ULSD removes more oil from the fuel. The sulfur itself doesn't lubricate anything. It's the higher content of oil that does the lubricating. My '05 GMC 2500 w/Duramax LLY runs quieter when I add Walmart non-synthetic 2-cycle oil to the fuel. I use 1/2 oz. per gallon and this helps the high-pressure CP3 fuel pump last longer. Mileage is 352K and still runs very well with no failures.
Used to do it all the time just changed filter sooner.
Of course this is nothing new, my grandparents and uncles farms had tanks on their farms. They also had gasoline stored in tanks but that fuel was taxed. All these years I have brought up the point that all that lawnmower, lawn equipment and offroad motorcycle gas everyone has gets taxed with road tax even though it isn't used for that. We've been raped for years with that alone.
But if you're not paying taxes on fuel arnt you contributing the same amount as the electric vehicles ??? And thats what they want us all to have
Thank you
Our government does not deserve our tax money especially now
But your electric car you charge at your house raises your electricity bill which you pay taxes on
Knew of a logger in NC that ran it in his log truck in 2008. He got a big fine for the number of gallons he had at the time. I’m not 100% on number but was $1500-1800 back in 2008.
$5.12 here in South Alabama. I obviously don’t like the current fuel prices. It’s not good for anyone. However, my LLY was my dream truck when I was in high school 20 years ago. I use my truck for truck things. I’m paying to “play” I just hate that the truckers have to pay theses prices.