No ‘carnivore’ will ever convince me that diet is healthy. When I was on it, I couldn’t use the bathroom. I felt lethargic. I had severe muscle cramps due to lack of potassium and magnesium. It’s bland and boring. My body odor was horrid. Never again. I also want to add I never felt great about eating animals. I’m Jewish, so it’s easy not to eat pigs. I visited in a pig preserve in Jamestown, TN, and quickly learned pigs are very intelligent, cute, and fun to be around. I love cows, too. And it’s awful what the factory farm does to chickens. I am slowly working my way back to a plant-based diet. When I was, I felt super healthy and thin. Tons of energy.
Exactly its the most gross diet ever . I am glad you saw the light . I knew they all gad to be super constipated and smelly . We are not carnivore , carnivore ertaiky dont eat butter cheese and eggs on the regular they can't even get it right .
This is going to vary widely from person to person. I completely believe you when you say the carnivore diet didn't work for you, but if it works for another person then that's great. The same is constantly said about the Vegan diet. Just go on all the Keto/Paleo/Carnivore channels and all you'll read is how the Vegan diet gave them constipation, bloated gut, and lots of gas. Then they'll go on about how they were low on certain vitamins and minerals. This will vary with peoples genetics and what food they ate as they grew up.
Hi Mic - thank you for your interest in our prospective study on Lean Mass Hyper-Responders. To clarify your earlier statement on our cohort averaging younger - the baseline crude data I’ve presented on after Lundquist completed the first 100 scans of our participants: Male 60%, average age 55.3, years on keto 4.4, mean LDL-C 259.8 mg/dL. Lundquist is scheduled to present a comparison analysis next month, but they will be doing it against a matched control from Miami Heart, seeking to line up all demographics and risk factors as much as possible. In short, I’m confident they won’t be comparing a young group to an old one.
This Mic the Vegan guy is an attention seeker. What he basically does, finds highly watched videos and “debunks” them with “science”. However what he does is that he knows no one in his community will read or criticize these junk studies. When someone like Dave challenges him, he’ll go silent as he has no answer. It’s very hard to watch this guy, although I want to understand his arguments, his voice tone, attitude and general presentation is a 7yrs old with a beard
One of my closest freinds went on this poor diet (carnivore). After numerous warnings from his doctor he refused to change and had a heart attack (53 years young) leaving a wife and 2 girls.
I'm in my early 30s. I ate a fairly "healthy" version of SAD diet from when I was about 16 until I was about 27. After that I ate a healthy vegeteration diet for 5 years, then started greying, losing hair, skin was getting dryer, suffering from low energy. Now after 4 months on a carnivore diet, every metric of my blood work (testosterone, vitamin D, etc) is MUCH better than it ever was on SAD or vegetarian diets. And I have never been the type to eat tons of junk food, so this isn't a result of "just" cutting out junk food. My cholelstoral has gone up as a result of carnivore diet but EVERY OTHER marker has improved, so for me I've come to the conclusion that high cholestoral alone isn't cause for concern. Let's all meet back here in a few years and see how we're feeling 😉
@@bazileia9222 the doctor is not a pilot, neither has he made any claims of that ridiculous nature whatsoever. Therefore any "what if" arguments are futile, useless and hold no bearing on reality, and are in fact, ridiculous to even consider at all. But that's the best you vegans can do. Did I really need to explain that to you? like a child? Next.
here is the problem the modern nutritional rules are being pushed in the usa are bullshit and it has nothing to do with health and everything to do with politics. and to understand you have to look back to where the rules come from and thats when you discover that long a go the crypt keepers that are in DC starting having health problems and the current modern nutritional ideology is literally the thing that was being prescribed to crypt keepers. the fing idiots went good enough for us good enough for everyone. modern doctors cant even speak out against it without risking their jobs they have to speak in vague ways around the subject its wild to see when you actually start to notice it.
I have familial hypercholesteremia. My mother died from heart disease, now I have advanced heart disease. I had zero other factors that would contribute to heart disease. I was always active, had low blood pressure. I have been vegan for years, but with total cholesterol of 375 my doctor recommended statins. I refused to take them, that was 15 years ago, now I am suffering with advanced heart disease. It's the cholesterol people, pay attention, unlike me.
You know your brain runs on cholesterol right ?? 😂😂 your body produces cholesterol.... if you eat food with a lot of it them your body will decrease the amount it creates. It's 200% not the cholesterol.
Being vegan is absolutely terrible for your health, specifically if you are northern european. Tens of thousands of years progressed eating all manner of animal products
Both of my parents are on statins and low cholesterol diet. That's gotten my mother severe Alzheimer's and my dad a five-way bypass. So you can believe your eyes or not. Humans have been eating meat for a million years.
Have you ever asked yourself why Americans in the early 1800's had the least amount of heart disease in American history, "in spite" of being the same timeframe that Americans ate the most meat? Or that in the past 90 years since we have been consistently been eating less and less meat statistically as a society and we have more and more heart disease? Is it just a coincidence that our processed carb and sugar intake has skyrocketed at the same time?
Have you considered the factor "palm oil + coconut oil"? I also doubt that Americans ate more fat in total back in the day. Or that they were moving less. Or eating less fiber. I don't know about smoking though. How is the history on that? Of course refined carbs, especially free sugar, is bad for you anyway. Mic never claimed the opposite.
@@nehalilisays My point is simply that it ain't the meat, we eat less meat now and have way more problems with heart disease and loads of other things. Personally I think it is the highly processed seed oils and highly processed sugars, and then other nonsense things like dyes, artificial and "natural" flavors etc. In other words, it ain't a plants vs meat and eggs debate, it's a whole foods vs junk foods debate
@@nehalilisays ps, when it comes to the fats, the average American family in the 1800's had one head of cattle, usually for milk. With all the meat they were eating, a lot of people were not prone to waste much, meaning they would eat the brains, the heart, the kidneys, and the sweetbreads, and the testicles, which are particularly fatty organs. They would also eat the skins and the bone marrow, and any cut off fat would be rendered to lard or tallow for cooking. They also ate a lot of eggs in those days. So they definitely had a fair amount of animal fat in their diet. As far as coconut and palm oil, those things were certainly available in Florida, southern California, and Hawaii, and palm perhaps also in southern Arizona. But until the invention of the train and the railroads, no one outside of area those trees grow would uave had access to those particular oils. And I am particularly talking about the early 1800's before the train.
My father did a stint in the arctic circle as a family medicine/ER doctor. He said that the people there had the highest lipoprotein levels that he'd ever seen. But, not one had CVD. Their diet consted of alcohol, carribou, seal meat/blubber, and fish.
@ScienceNow- Was it plants or antibiotics and vaccines that improved lifespans ? Turns out Whale skin is loaded with vitamin C so they didn't need plants to get it.
@@hobogardenerben You'll care when you or a loved one dies from a deforested Amazon which will cause the next global pandemic . . Please think before saying stuff.
@@hobogardenerben Your fellow traveller carnivore Dr Jordon Peterson stated 1 / 10 people have a IQ of less than 85 , this seem unbelievable to me untill I familiarised myself with the carni community.
I would love to be Vegan but from what I've seen, Carnivores tend to look a lot healthier than vegans. I don't understand why that is, if wfpb is better for us.
probably because you can actually access the nutrients in a carnivore diet? Also, don't believe for a second that veganism is better for you, because plant foods (or rather what they contain) are the culprits to developing kidney stones. If you go on a vegan diet, you're constantly monitoring what you're eating because of anti-nutrients and other side effects. Vegetables aren't "harmless" foods, they protect themselves in other ways, i.e. chemicals, as opposed to animals who generally protect themselves through combat or running away.
probably because you can actually access the nutrients in a carnivore diet? Also, don't believe for a second that veganism is better for you, because plant foods (or rather what they contain) are the culprits to developing kidney stones. If you go on a vegan diet, you're constantly monitoring what you're eating because of anti-nutrients and other side effects. Vegetables aren't "harmless" foods, they protect themselves in other ways, i.e. chemicals, as opposed to animals who generally protect themselves through combat or running away.
Low carbers' scientific claims have changed over the years. Atkins claimed that cholesterol numbers lowered on his diet. Then it went to, "carbs raises cholesterol." That didn't work, so they went to cholesterol levels, don't matter or that higher cholesterol is healthy and protective. If you've been around long enough, you see how these diets cycle in and out of popularity. Once they fade due to health problems and lack of science, another low-carb diet pops up with some minor differences but a lot of the same rhetoric. Mostly telling people what they want to hear about their bad habits.
Diets would lose out if they worked. There's a reason people struggle their whole lives with weight loss no matter how many diets they try. I tried a lot of things, they were not doable in the long run so I always failed sooner or later. Of course I did, it's all set up to make you feel like shit, look how much work you're putting in. And then you fail because the diet isn't providing anything for you and you just get more and more hungry as you crave things missing from your diet, because you're restricting to an extreme. It's ad how it's all stacked against you. The only thing that has helped me is intermittent fasting, read a book by Dr. Pelz, adapted it to a vegan diet, ben doing it for months now, not feeling hungry all the time,eating within a windo, it's slow progress as I've had to adjust it for my health situation, so I do eat some processed foods instead of whole as whole cause me symptoms. But i's something I will stick to for the rest of my life, I find i easy and effective.
@@Nikwunuyou missed the point. The science hasn't actually changed in regards to the low carb trend. The evidence wasn't on its side back then and still isn't. Thats the point.
They also need to supplement electrolytes, often they don't ingest enough omega 3 and 6 (even if they won't admit it cause seed oils tho) and let's not start with fiber
There is a channel i think its no carb life where he interviews hundreds of people who are carnivore mainly and the effect it has had on their life. Its a good mix of people of all ages not just young.
For a woman to be living on steak and butter is frightening as the Bovine Leukemia Virus genome is found to be in 60% of breast cancer cases in the US. Great as always Mic
@@orion9k: What's amazing is that I can't tell if you're a funny person who is telling a joke, or if you unironically believe something that insanely stupid. Dead animal remains and animal products are extremely toxic garbage to human physiology.
I'm 64, I have been low carb for OVER 25 years, carnivorous for OVER 5 years. Why? I feel better not eating plants, sugar, starches, vegetable and seed oils. It's all about context, LDL in the context of high glucose/insulin and high triglycerides may be meaningful, NOT the same in the context of LOW carb diets. I am not taking any medication, super active, all my health metrics are within the "perfect" range, except for LDL cholesterol being 200 mg/dL, my HDL is 70 and my triglycerides < 50, perfect blood pressure and many other markers. My coronary calcification score is zero. Traditional high carbohydrate diets are responsible for many of the chronic diseases, along vegetable / seed oils. It is possible that a vegetarian diet is superior to the standard American diet, but that does not mean it is an ideal diet for humans.
Do you ever keep up with the guy named Bart Kay who uses your videos to respond to you on TH-cam? ? It's hilarious. He did one on this episode called "Mike, the vegan vs steak and butter gal." I think you and your viewers would find it very funny.
What is not mentioned is her HDL is super high at 98. My LDL is 125 and HDL is 28, for example. Even though my LDL is low, but my HDL is super low which the doctor correctly pointed out was not healthy; I was actually advised to eat more salmon and fish.
HDL is not causal in preventing heart disease--that old idea got debunked about a decade ago, but more an more research proves that the higher your LDL and the longer it's high, the more plaque forms and the greater the risk of heart attacks.
@@chantalbaxter9126 "Standard American diet and vegan are near opposite ends of the spectrum" Not really. The SAD contains a lot of junk and this junk nowadays can easily bought 'veganized'! You can be vegan without eating any real fruit or vegetable ever!
mic the vegan never miss an oportunity to say how low his ldl value and acused dr eckberg of purposly skiping the ldl value in a video. mic the vegan also skips his triglicerydes levels. triglicerydes over hdl ratio is five times more precise mesurement of heart desease then ldl levels.
Cardiovascular surgeons are not the same as cardiologists - and as surgeons they are a lot less interested (and knowledgeable about) things like blood cholesterol levels...
Yes. These surgeons are closer to being mechanics than scientists. And that's no slight intended towards mechanics. It's just a different skill set and mental aptitude.
There are surgeon Doctors who do think about it but they don't have time to be on TH-cam talking about it. They're to busy putting in stents to repair the damage from poor life style choices. I've talked to many surgeons and Doctors and the majority of the ones I've met are health conscious. Some even intermittent fast and have gone vegan. The Doctors can't recommend these things since that is not what they do and it's not part of the standard medical practice play book. This Doctor is a rogue though I'm not sure why that is, he's definitely not someone I wouldn't trust for health advise though he may be a good surgeon.
That makes sense. I suppose a cardiac surgeon would love unhealthy diets. He needs to work, right? If we all were vegan, his job would be obsolete 🤷♀️
iv been vegetarian, vegan for 8 years ive tried carvinore and fruit only, i drop too much weight on vegan and vegetarian, i started to get grey hair also im young, i use a rule i cannot suplement, this year i started eating fish, it was such a difference in energy and weight i eat meat now and chicken, right now im eating omnivore but i dont eat much pasta, rice or potatoes i try to eat whole foods that are very nutriferous, colorfull salads tasty fruits and good meat, i gained over 5 k of muscle, i feel more energetic and i crave less sweets and bs food, im eating about 150 gr of protein a day
@@DanteLikesRock Low effort spamming. Nature doesn't have intentions and natural doesn't mean healthy. And people if were interested in health outcomes, supplements should always be considered for *all diets.
@@Sovvyy absolute nonsense. Look at all the animals in the wild thriving with their supplements. Oh wait... they don't. They just eat what comes naturally to them. You vegans are ridiculous.
@dantelikesrock in another thread you were ok with her supplementation of vitamin D although we take about 80% from exposure to sun, but somehow B12 is too much for you, even though that about 40% of population (non vegans) have to supplement due to malabsobtion, go figure... Cognitive dissonance and Dunning Kruger are strong with you dude...
@@bazileia9222 you can't compare the two. needing to supplement for a vitamin that is synthesized from sunlight is completely different to supplementing a lack of nutrients in your diet, some people work indoors all day and cant get sun. Not the same as people going out of their way to malnourish themselves. This is about DIET. Your point?
You don’t need a full video to explain her results. Her body adapted to burning fat and she is called “lean mass hyper responder”. Her situation is perfectly healthy and easily explainable. Just search youtube for “A Simple Analogy to Explain High ApoB and Why LMHR May Be Different” video and you’ll understand why this mic the vegan guy is completely clueless about this topic.
"Her body adapted to burning fat and she is called “lean mass hyper responder”. Her situation is perfectly healthy and easily explainable." Mic the Vegan has a new video out that absolutely destroys that LMHR study, and meanwhile in the real world, a mountain of research proves that elevated LDL is causal for heart disease.
@@Albdean "Mic isn't an expert of anything. He reads Google bias Vegan Articles as facts. That's all he does. lol" Mic has a masters' degree in public health with a focus on nutrition. I am a senior university professor and researcher who has studied and taught about healthy nutrition and nutrition myths for more than a decade. From that vantage point, I can report that Mic's videos present quite accurate information even if his tone can be a bit snarky.
@@Albdean To simplify, mountains of research shows that the best overall long-term health outcomes have been achieved by diets dominated by whole plant foods--whether vegan or not--and most of the diets that achieved the best outcomes had levels of fat consumption lower than what Americans would consider to be low fat diets (more like 8-18% calories from fat; only 3-6% calories from saturated fat). There's simply no evidence very high fat diets (or diets high in animal foods) can be as healthy in the long run (decades), and we know lots of scientific reasons why that is so (ex: lots of toxic chemicals naturally accumulate at high levels in the fat of animals, so meat eaters have been found to have much higher levels of toxic chemicals in their bodies). Take care.
He’s being a beta simp due to his diet. Easily triggered and very reactive. His feminine side is taking over his masculine side. The diet effed up his hormones real bad and it’s showing clearly.
@@Albdeani wish I never tried carnivore. I had huge medical bill from emergency room. I had during 3 years several health issues on carnivore. Human is not carnivore. Carnivore animals have hard nails, they drink water with tongue, they have closed eyes on birth moment etc. Human is primate mammal.
@@itsmedante.5325 So you think that all these people with clogged arteries are eating veggies and fresh fruit for every meal despite the fact that Americans eat almost no produce? Dr.Gregor was correct when he called you carnivores the flat earthers of nutrition😂😂
Ovadia won't change his stance because he's made it into his personality. He even got things explainted the way they are by Dr Gil from Nutrition Made Simple 🤷🏻♂️
They can't walk it back even if they know they're wrong so they have to keep doubling down. Eventually the Doctor will have a cardiac event himself but will blame it on genetics if he lives through it.
@@DanteLikesRock he has actual education in nutrition unlike the cardiologist. And everything he says in the interview with Ovadia is backed with studies, I don't see how you could say that, unless you're a conspiracist.
Yes, that I really don't understand. I can't imagine eating only meat for every meal every day. Unless you are desperate to use what ever diet to solve some severe health problems, why would you choose such a boring diet?
You'd think you'd get bored of eating steak everyday. I thought the same...it makes sense, but 3 years in and I look forward to steak every day. In fact, I can't wait.@@thatsalt1560
@@thatsalt1560boring diet??? I can't imagine eating nothing but vegetables all day every day. Even when I was plant based, I had to mix all my vegetables and "health foods" into a smoothie just to choke it down. "Boring" felt pretty great after torturing my taste buds and giving myself arthritis for a year.
Restrictive really only means something if it's antithetical to your taste buds. Does a plant based diet have more variety? Sure. Are my taste buds WAY happier eating a "boring" steak and eggs with cheese than when I was plant based? Bet your ass!
People have been saying that there are "excess deaths" over the last few years, which began a couple of years before the pandemic. My guess is that these excess deaths are caused by the keto, low carb, carnivore, diets. Nobody is looking at diet as a cause, and very few want to admit the incredible harm these low carb fad diets are causing.
There could be two things, one is that overdose deaths are up. Another is that meat consumption rates are increasing, as far as I know, among the meat-eating population. And maybe a third one, just the decline of western society in general; there are lots of other things correlated, like infant mortality going up in the US for the first time in a long time, and the Flynn Effect (intergenerational IQ increase) seeming to be reversing itself for the first time since it started. I think the carnivore fad was relatively small back then, but definitely growing. Now it is quite large, not sure exactly how large though. I suspect it will take a while to start seeing the large-scale health impact of the fad. I don't know if we can believe everything they say, but multiple people claim to have been full carnivore for over a year with apparently no major adverse events. So maybe a few-year lag to see the impacts on a large scale
Americans have the lowest life expectancy of all developed nations. The USA is also the place where low carb and carnivore diets are rampant because people don't listen to health organisations or look at the totality of evidence. People blame gun deaths and overdoses etc, but I am pretty sure the fact that in America 1 out of 3 dies of heart attack while in most of Europe its 1 out of 4, has something to do with it also.
@@WinterGK humans weren't meant to have high carb diets. After the agricultural revolution forced 90%+ to eat mostly wheat, rice, and other high carb foods health in basically every way went down. I doubt low-carb is the real reason this has occurred. The absolutely horrendous state of the American and British food industry is more to blame, it doesn't matter what it was at the beginning once its been through the processing, meat or vegetable or anything else.
@@雷-t3j I mean, there are about 10,000 years between the agricultural revolution and the rise of "ultra-processed" foods. High-carb diets, outside a tiny number of exceptions, have always been the norm globally, even pre-agriculture. People today are much healthier in many respects that certain early Neolithic populations, and yet the food we eat is far more processed. The reason health declined was because of overreliance on a few staple crops, not a shift in macro ratios, which probably stayed pretty similar.
@@雷-t3j After the agricultural revolution life expectancy kept rising for decades. You're just following a narrative. We can look at what is actually killing people and ruining people's lives. 1 out of 3 is dying early from heart disease. We know what causes heart disease. Heart disease research: Most studies that compare replacing saturated fats with refined sugar don't help much. So yeah, sugar is not good food. Don't let people trick you by using "carbohydrates" as a blanket term All studies that replace saturated fats with Polyunsaturated fat, Mufa or whole grains, show a significant reduction. Cancer: Vegans, Vegetarians and people on plant based diets reduce the risk of cancer compared to high meat diets. Diabetes: Vegans have close to a 90% reduction according to many studies. We need to look at what is killing us and how to fix it. Formulating alternative theories is not helping.
The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies) Outcome: The WFPB diet can be seen as an effective, safe option for weight loss and chronic disease risk and quality of life improvements. Key foods included whole grains, legumes, vegetables and fruits. No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented. The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication and blood glucose and their cholesterol dropped. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. The BROAD study, however, lasted only 3 months, yet the plant-based group not only lost significant weight, they kept it off. This study ran from August 2014 to 2015 and was extended to 2017.
-UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.
Mick, you’re only lever that you can pull is that high LDL is bad. Everything else improves in terms of blood markers. Could it just be that high LDL in the context of Very Good triglycerides and HDL, is actually healthy for you? I think you have backed the wrong horse.
People in Hong Kong have the highest meat consumption per capita in the world and they live the longest. The current life expectancy for Hong Kong in 2023 is 85.29 years.
If that simple, then you'd expect the list of countries that eat the most meat to the least meat to mirror the list of countries from most long lived to least. They don't really. For example Japan is 3rd on the longevity list but quite a way down the most meat eaten list.
They have the lowest athletic achievements in China, both mainland and Taiwan. And they also combine that with a heap of soy and veggies in their meals for a balanced diet, so you can't just say it's the meat alone that is making them live longest. Truth be told thry have quite high diabetes rate and physical problems like obesity compared to the other parts of China.
Because the life expectancy rate takes a few decades to rise with meat consumption … If everyone in the US decided to start smoking tomorrow, it would take decades to see the outcomes of that. Most elders around the world ate less meat as children- but in the US, children are beginning to die younger than their parents because of decades of poor diet.
Bella is living proof that being skinny is no guarantee of low LDL. If I only knew her LDL level but didn't know what she looked like, I'd assume that she weighed at least 400 pounds.
I'm overweight, but I've been vegan for many years, and even before going egan my bloods were always good. Been anemic a couple of times (only once since going vegan, several times before going vegan), but otherwise my blood tests were always in order. So weight doesn't determine these things. It can be a factor, it can signal bad diet. But doesn't always. I gained weight when I was dying in a hospital bed at age 7 with a heart condition reulting from strep throat. Was given literal handfuls of medication every day and was not allowed to leave the bed, because it could have been too much for my heart. Spent several months like that and gained weight super quickly. And have struggled for the rest of my life, having PCOS and fatigue, both of which work against me. Slowly losing now with intermittent fasting as it's the only thing that has helped me.
@kathleenphillips7145 you think that saturated fats end up in your arteries the same way they sit on your plate? Throught 1-3 ph acid in your stomach down your intestines throught a 1 cell thick intestinal wall then inside your blood then to the arteries and some it's knly at this point that it causes grief lmao hahahahaha
@@TheHestya you're overweight on a vegan diet??? wow!!!?? shocker!!!?? it's ALMOST AS IF eating plants-only and going against your biology isn't good for you. 🙄
It blows my mind how you have both vegan and carny cardiologists who do surgery and see the damage people do to themselves but reach different conclusion on the cause of heart disease in terms of diet. WTF.
Bias, ignorance, and greed tend to account for those who stray from scientifically backed consensus. Rarely are these individuals being ethical or intelligent when coming to their contradicting conclusions.
Mic you have not responded to any of my questions on LDL which means you dont know the answers 1) if i fast for 24 hrs, my LDL will go over 200, so is LDL the bad guy 2) if LDL is less than 1% of the materials found in plaques, why do we care about LDL as a valid biomarker? 3) the brain need cholesterol, so why do we need to have low cholesterol? 4) if the blood contains LDL all equal the body, why do we have blockages only around the large arteries not small vessels? This has been posted many times since the last 3 months But you continue to blame people for high LDL when you dont even know how lipids work Please answer or make a video so all the people can listen to these questions, thansk
The Lion Diet is just beef, salt, and water and it is only a nickname for that way of eating. No one in the carnivore community ever said we should emulate lions in our eating habits apart from eating meat.
@@johnow7Lions don’t eat beef or salt. Find a new name for your stupid diet. You’re not a carnivore btw 🙃 Why not follow a primate/human species specific diet? Plants for thriving, meat for surviving. Or a diet with scientific evidence- Plants for thriving, meat for heart disease and cancer. 👍🏻
The comment sections of large carnivore youtubers and smaller carnivore youtubers is so different. Comments on the smaller canivore videos are usually people saying how they're failing on the diet while on the larger ones all I see are like 2k thumbs up on comments about how someone has been doing the diet a month and their entire life is changed and they'll never eat any other way.
Exactly. Carnivore fans frequently bemoan the lack of peer reviewed studies on their odd diet. I heard a diet researcher say that he has tried to recruit carnivore dieters for studies, but his research needs close to a year to glean results. But so many people drop out due to problems or sheer boredom of nothing but meat. Then he’s left with too few people to achieve statistically significant conclusions. So he’s given up on future carnivore studies.
As a counter perspective, have you seen the comments on Mic's videos? There appears to be two extremes on both sides. I have looked through 5 videos, and in the comment sections on mics videos, there are not many critical comments, if any. What should be said in general, is that following any strict diet - that excludes things- many times, is not beneficial. It is very hard, even for a nutritionist, to know, when something important is being excluded - this goes for both vegan and carnivorous diets. If anything, a diversified diet should be promoted. And of course, fast foods and highly processed foods should be excluded - but to note, is that many people still rely on them (lack time, cheapest alternative, etc.), ergo, judgement should be passed accordingly.
Another good video. BTW, I'd mention again as you did that both heart attacks and unstable angina cause cholesterol to decline so it's little surprise that people hospitalised with these conditions have 'low' levels of cholesterol on admission. The denialists constantly fail to mention this. Another point regarding all these bright, bubbly young people laughing off their high cholesterl levels is that it seems to be 'cholesterol years' that better predict risk than a single point cholesterol score. This is analogous to the pack years concept in cigarette smoking and risk. See eg the 2020 paper "Time course of LDL cholesterol exposure and cardiovascular disease event risk"
the "denialists" do mention it, you're just too blind to open your mind to the possibility that perhaps cholesterol is there for a purpose and not just to give us heart disease. 🙄
@itsmedante.5325 how funny that someone with zero scientific credentials (no TH-cam videos are not scientific credentials) says anything about denying science...
GUESS what..... remember you made a video about FiftyPlusBeauty who was eating Carnivore and got a stroke? well she just went plant based! check out her last video called "Heart Disease Reversal Diet - Did the Carnivore Diet Cause My Stroke?"
Suspicious her cholesterol was 175 as a vegan.... I'm far from a whole foods vegan and my cholesterol is under 100... Most likely she was not actually following a vegan diet at all.
it's laughable the extents you vegans go to try rationalize your nonsense diet. There are many whole food vegans who have high cholesterol. That itself shows that the vegan diet is useless, even by your own definition of "LDL bad". Vegans debunked by themselves once again!
what are your trigs ?? the calculated LDL - thats right calculated LDL (Friedewalt Equation) goes lower with high trigs and higher with lower trigs so vegan LDL 81 trigs 97 carni LDL 264 trigs 15 - Are high trigs good ?? - "High triglycerides can increase your risk of cardiovascular disease, including stroke, heart attack and heart disease. A high triglyceride level is one of the signs of metabolic syndrome. This is a collection of health conditions that increase your risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes. (Health Direct)" So what are your trigs !! - talk to your doctor if concerned
@@DanteLikesRockNonsensical propaganda??? You mean like the meat, dairy, pharmaceutical, and medical industries, who are always conditioning and programming the mainstream status quo, of farmed human animals aka sheeple, with their literal bullshit???
@@itsmedante.5325 Shut up! I am not! Clearly, you are though! I haven't eaten dead animals in 35 years, and I am thriving. You're no authority on the subject matter of plant-based nutrition, and herbal medicine. Maybe you should go seek some actual knowledge, and develop your own conscious awareness in the ways that i have over the course of my entire adult life, and then we will talk in 2058 to compare our note , at that point. You can let me know what you think about plant=based nutrition and herbal medicine then, and not a moment sooner. k, thanks! bye!
Ok. Then how do you explain Dr Shawn Baker, full carnivore over 10 years. Still very healthy, and no plaque in arteries. I've actually improved auto immune issues going mostly carnivore. Several compounds in many plants I cannot eat. Skin goes crazy.
@@erastvandoren it's called a calcium artery scan. Very simple MRI scan to check arteries for any plaque. I had mine done recently. Im 52, eat lots of meat, fatty meat.... no plaque. Sugar and too many carbs are the real enemy. Obviously processed food!
what a healthy man spreading his vegan propaganda! Looks like he needs some sleep though- and maybe some meat.... oh- nevermind! he's SO HEALTHY GUYS!!
Makes you question lots of doctors. Just because someone passed university classes doesn’t mean they’re smart. The amount of times I was told “oh your wrists hurt? Your back hurts? Eat meat!” Turns out I needed to stop using the smith machine at the gym for my wrists and started working on mobility and core stability for my back and now I’m fine 🤡
@@DanteLikesRock high amounts of Saturated fat has been shown in a huge amount of high quality studies to increase cholesterol and apoB. And high appB causes heart disease. It’s not even controversial, these are well documented facts. Check out the TH-cam channel “nutrition made simple” and his saturated fat or ApoB videos. He usually has at least 20-30 high quality studies linked as references and breaks them down
My wife and I are the only Vegans in our families, and yesterday, we had her side over for dinner for her dad's birthday. Her brother informed us that he's going to a Carnivore diet and doesn't want to hear anything about it from us. We were told he has done his research, and he's doing it, and nothing we could say would change his mind. I so badly wanted to show him your videos, but I knew he wouldn't even listen. 😔
Mics "Vegan carnivore swap" video is a great one to show, but yes can't be co dependent, people don't want to hear it but there Are ways to inject your truth into your speech ✌️ What's worked for me is... Or- the way I understand it is.....
we had her side over for dinner haha and then forced your vegan diet on them, but when you visit them they cater to your needs - very rude peoples - keep the B12 up
Dairy consumption increases breast cancer. Dairy is full of the hormone estradiol because the dairy cow is milked while it is pregnant and it has been measured in the milk. The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2 showed the more milk the Adventists consumed the higher the breast cancer. This study was confirmed by a study in China, CHINA KADOORIE BIOBANK STUDY. The Conclusion: The more dairy you consume the higher your breast cancer risk. ¼ cup/day of milk increases breast cancer risk by 17%.
Since I've been vegetarian, I've seen people do Atkins and fail, Paleo and fail, Keto and fail. Carnivore is the latest low carb trend and people will inevitably fail.
@@itsmedante.5325 yes definitely, malaria needs cholesterol to thrive so no surprise some of us end up with susceptibility. Wish there could be a better discussion about cholesterol but probably not possible these days 😕
@@nooooobingo I was hinting at the fact that high cholesterol is perfectly fine. I suggest to learn from neuroscientist Dr David Diamond and professor Bart Kay.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320if it was natural the longest living communities wouldn't be vegan like the Adventist Vegetarians who are 90% vegan and have the longest healthiest lives
Could it be, as a businessman, that cardiologist is happy to encourage people to become his future customer? If everyone "went vegan" a lot of doctors would start going out of business as their entire business model is based on "sick care" instead of actual "health care..."
@@DanteLikesRock Not at all... America's "Sick Care" is incentivized to addict its "customers" on any and every pill they can patent. When the doctor asks why you didn't buy & fill the prescription he/she gave you, it's because the pharmaceutical companies give a small commission to the doctor. That's how they know.
What more to expect from a guy somewhat trying to dismiss the therm carnivore for people eating butter while also calling himself vegan besides consuming chocolate and using spices to make his meals somewhat enjoyable (the list could go on for days you know....) 🙄
Assuming this doctor 🤨 is on a carnivore diet, why do they usually look so waxy and puffy. He sort of looks like he had a stroke. He is dangerous to his patients! This carnivore diet is getting more and more ridiculous! Going to check out that scale, tx! 🌱 -What their colon must look like! Had my colonoscopy recently and it was clean, clean, clean! I am going to say being a veg head for 30 yrs contributed to that (vegetarian for 18 and vegan for 11yrs, so 29 yrs).
These diet wars are getting ridiculous, I eat vegetables, low sugar fruit, fish and small amounts of meat , I don’t eat grains , processed foods , seed oils or tropical fruits. I m definitely healthier than vegans or carnivores.
Its a restrictive diet. So if you have any issues with specific foods they are removed hence some improvements. And people can function really well not being healthy. Some chinese guy recently ran a marathon with nothing but cigarettes and coffee. The body is resilient.
@@patrickbateman1660 But looking at so many personal stories of people who have done carnivore, it seems like it really has benefited them. Maybe it doesn't work for some people, but it seems to have a dorect positive correlation with their medical issues.
I'm a 60yo LMHR now with CAC score of 0. I was first told to go on statins because of high LDL at age 27 already (I didn't), so... surely by now something should have starting sticking to my arteries?
it seems from politics a goverment meddling. just think of every time knew someone that tried a new diet and it worked for them so they push it on to everyone they know.... now imagine they had the governmental powers. thats the deep dark secret of of current nutritional ideology its based keeping dietary needs of someone in their 70s
Surprisingly Mic never answers him not he wants to debate him. Just like Negra. I asked him a few times if he's willing to debate Bart and he never answered lol.
Many humans have gone from "diet" to diet, finding what works. One thing that amazes me is several humans love consuming JUST animal stuff, they BRAG about how wonderful it is, somehow they do not get bored to death having only about 12 high fatty choices, and being very very constipated without fiber. I am not afraid of plants and I eat them as a longtime vegan.
@@rachelgoodkind6545of course eating animals is hard to get sick of because humans are biologically carnivores. it's vegans that are obsessed with recipes and meat imitations because they are never satisfied with what they are eating. they also fast because of the pain caused by eating fiber.
@@bazileia9222So a troll is someone who questions you? Makes sense that a vegan wouldn't want to have an actual conversation. Meat doesn't make you constipated.... I've had plenty of low/no veggie days and never got "constipated." Not even once in my life. On the flip side, it's all that fiber that clogs you up.... How many vegans complain of bathroom issues? Many of them. Then again, I'm ot a Carnivore.
Pretty messed up that even if they go back to a "normal" diet, they've already screwed themselves for life. Unless they went on a rigorous diet that can reverse this atherosclerosis afterwards, which i highly doubt most, if any of them will.
@@DanteLikesRock You do realize that vegans don't have their own view on this right? We share our standpoint with the whole world except a very small group of a few low-carb fans.
You've got to have a huge safety net to be eating this way. Me I've got two dead parents from stroke. No way Im going bankrupt trying to pay back hospital. This way of eating highly subsidized. Just shows what Billion Dollar Industries want you to eat in order to keep their pockets flush with cash.
@@Sovvyy Looks like you're putting too much faith in these rubbish "studies". They're not science at all. They're epidemiology (bad quality epidemiology too). Pseudo-science of the highest order. Real science is performed under controlled conditions over an extended period of time. This has NEVER been done on humans as related to diet and health outcomes. Never. Plus, Bart Kay has debunked Mic here countless times.
believe it or not some people I know actually became plant based for the environment They’ve got no kids nor grandkids so they’re doing it coz they’re worried about the state of our environment not because they’d be around to face it but for the sake of other people’s kids and grandkids
Mic, what about doing a video on the 2021 Harvard carnivore diet study titled "Behavioral Characteristics and Self-Reported Health Status among 2029 Adults Consuming a “Carnivore Diet”?
It's always the case with quack science, they find the one scientist/doctor in a million that go their way and ignore the 99.999% scientists/doctors that say otherwise.
@@videoartsproductions1 Not sure where you're sourcing your data from but humans across the globe have consumed a whole host of terrestrial and aquatic invertebrates for thousands of years. None of this is news.
Not only that but how were these people healthy enough to reproduce and raise healthy children that went on to have their own healthy children? It's a huge mystery! OR... It's because red meat already contains everything we need to survive and thrive.
Thank you for sharing. I am a longtime vegan. However, if you told me 25 years ago that any human could survive JUST eating animal stuff, not having any fiber, only going poop 2-3 times a week (or less), I would not have believed it. I believe some survive it because they eat less (like twice a day) , intermittent fast, or simply really really really love beef and butter.
“However, if you told me 25 years ago that any human could survive JUST eating animal stuff, not having any fiber”….um yes because that’s literally how humans ate since the start of time? I’m no carnivore but this is common knowledge. 😂Also you only need fiber only to carry out the bad crap you put in your body. If you eat good stuff like a good ol steak your body absorbs all the nutrients.
@@letransformateur6477 Ancient humans didn’t need vegetables to live and they certainly weren’t no damn vegetarian. Humans ate meat only that’s what allowed the brain to grow. Agriculture came much later. Your body can’t absorb most of the nutrients from vegetables anyway.
@@Thaddeus-ml8ifThe earliest of "modern" humans and jewish-christians, essenes, ebionites were all vegetarians. They did not eat cadavers. These were around the time of Yeshua, who was vegetarian. Animal flesh and blood rots and putrefies in the human body, causing a myriad of offensive odors like ammonia, sulfur, cadaverine, putrescine, skatole, and others. These odors make all human body fluids, stink. Sadly, not appealing to lovers. In addition, colon cancer is directly linked with flesh and blood eating, as it often forms a nasty cement in the human colon. Fiber is a major preventive for colon cancer, so you need a lot more than "just enough" to crap 2-3 times a week. Here is some more info: th-cam.com/video/VZUGlIzOsrg/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/NUyi3UfzBYI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/PDn4wTEyBWg/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/aSTzFbSanbQ/w-d-xo.html
There's sadly "gurus" out there now to tell people what they want to hear, on just about any subject. Shawn Baker (aka Shawn Faker) would be proud of the mental gymnastics and self-justification of this lady and her doctor, on her diet.
@@justingallant8558 unfortunately, more an accurate description, and less the insult - and not coined by me. Baker has ignored any robust science that disagrees with his message and brands, and tells people what they want to hear. That makes him a fake alright.
@@JohnDoe-xk1dv it's ironic because here you are eating up Mic's propaganda. He has been destroyed and debunked countless times already by professor Bart Kay.
I'm not gonna change the minds of most here, but for the few questioning why, for example Bella is glowing and radiant and Mic here looks like most long term vegans, then go check out Prof. Bart Kay's take down of this vid. You want long term health, don't follow people who look like, well you know.
Oh honey, you're so naive. TH-cam creators are pumped with so much filler and Botox and, of course, good genetics along with good filters. I'm sorry you fell for it though
@@jassy0903 Ha ha, hilarious. Check out (non practising) Dr Gregor, Dr Dougle RIP etc. The long term vegans look like 💩 Don't think fillers come in to it, honey.
Throughout most of human history it’s been almost impossible to maintain a strict carnivore diet and those who came close needed to do a tremendous amount of work to capture kill and process their hunts. I am interested to see what the life time effects are of living the modern grocery store meat diet.
@@tconcotelli Exactly. Pure vegan and pure carnivore diet are modern extremes. We can do it only because we have super easy (in developed parts of planet) access to almost any food so we can have such a diet. A person living in a place with mild warm climate can be "natural local vegan" however someone living in the nothern canada can naturally hardly survive without eating meat and killing animals in winter.
22 sets of twins tried both vegan and meat diets. Researchers at Stanford University studied the twins' cardiovascular health. After eight weeks following their respective diets, the twin siblings who ate a vegan diet had lost more weight, reduced their LDL, or "bad" cholesterol, and experienced lower insulin levels, according to the study's findings. "The findings from this trial suggest that a healthy plant-based diet offers a significant protective cardiometabolic advantage compared with a healthy omnivorous diet," the study's authors wrote. The study, published Nov. 30 in the journal JAMA Network Open.
The Triglycerides/HDL-C ratio is a risk marker for Metabolic Syndrome and Cardiovascular Disease, and a ratio greater than 2.5 is an independent predictor of long-term all-cause mortality. A ratio less than 1.0 is considered ideal. The Steak and Butter Gal has a Triglycerides/HDL-C ratio of 0.15. Try addressing that.
@@kegeshook1734 I will not try to address the anecdotal case you presented. It does not have much scientific weight because it is not a peer reviewed randomized study. I can tell you all kinds of curious case histories, but they don't hold true when scrutinized by the scientific method.
@@kegeshook1734 UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.
@@georgewilson7808 Anecdotal case? I never presented it. Mic the Vegan did. From what I've seen, low Trig/HDL-C ratio is common for those on carnivore and Keto diets.
@@georgewilson7808 I'd have to see the particular UK BIOBANK STUDY before offering any comment on it. High total cholesterol is not a bad thing when high HDL-C is part of that total, in conjunction with low level of triglycerides. High level of LDL-C is not necessarily bad. Constipation is not a complaint of those on carnivore and keto. Smelly breath is only a problem in the first week or so of being in ketosis. Keto breath is not permanent. Pretend Herbivores have long lasting issues of emanating bad smells.
I remember an article in JAMA that listed the main risk factors for heart disease. Number one is type 2 diabetes, followed by hypertension and obesity. Cholesterol levels were only a minor factor.
I strongly dislike applications which take your personal data and send it to the cloud. The functionality else might be interesting, but that's a no-go.
Will you feel perfect on a vegan diet 100% of the time? Ofc not. There are other issues like exercise, stress and/or your social environment but overall I feel 100% better on a wfpbd (100% vegan) than I ever did on any other diet which is good enough for me :)
wow. you're finally starting to see the red flags of Mic here! don't worry, once you see professor Bart Kay completely debunk him, you won't be able to unsee it.
@@DanteLikesRock do you have a reading issue or something besides being functional illiterate? OP literally starts this thread by saying that:" all I ever got from the carnivore diet was constipation"
Ignorance is bliss. Y’all will learn the hard way.
No ‘carnivore’ will ever convince me that diet is healthy. When I was on it, I couldn’t use the bathroom. I felt lethargic. I had severe muscle cramps due to lack of potassium and magnesium. It’s bland and boring. My body odor was horrid. Never again.
I also want to add I never felt great about eating animals. I’m Jewish, so it’s easy not to eat pigs. I visited in a pig preserve in Jamestown, TN, and quickly learned pigs are very intelligent, cute, and fun to be around. I love cows, too. And it’s awful what the factory farm does to chickens.
I am slowly working my way back to a plant-based diet. When I was, I felt super healthy and thin. Tons of energy.
Exactly its the most gross diet ever . I am glad you saw the light . I knew they all gad to be super constipated and smelly . We are not carnivore , carnivore ertaiky dont eat butter cheese and eggs on the regular they can't even get it right .
Variety and Moderation is key in all you consume.
This is going to vary widely from person to person. I completely believe you when you say the carnivore diet didn't work for you, but if it works for another person then that's great. The same is constantly said about the Vegan diet. Just go on all the Keto/Paleo/Carnivore channels and all you'll read is how the Vegan diet gave them constipation, bloated gut, and lots of gas. Then they'll go on about how they were low on certain vitamins and minerals. This will vary with peoples genetics and what food they ate as they grew up.
Congratulations on making good choices! 👍
You should have stuck to it , all part of the detoxing process.......
Hi Mic - thank you for your interest in our prospective study on Lean Mass Hyper-Responders. To clarify your earlier statement on our cohort averaging younger - the baseline crude data I’ve presented on after Lundquist completed the first 100 scans of our participants: Male 60%, average age 55.3, years on keto 4.4, mean LDL-C 259.8 mg/dL. Lundquist is scheduled to present a comparison analysis next month, but they will be doing it against a matched control from Miami Heart, seeking to line up all demographics and risk factors as much as possible. In short, I’m confident they won’t be comparing a young group to an old one.
I'm sure that as Mic the vegan is such a balanced, objective and science-based advocate he'll be quick to point out where he mis-spoke....
Thought it was funny when the vegan guy wanted to muddy the waters about the results before they are even published.
Polite and rational. Nice one Dave!
This Mic the Vegan guy is an attention seeker. What he basically does, finds highly watched videos and “debunks” them with “science”.
However what he does is that he knows no one in his community will read or criticize these junk studies.
When someone like Dave challenges him, he’ll go silent as he has no answer.
It’s very hard to watch this guy, although I want to understand his arguments, his voice tone, attitude and general presentation is a 7yrs old with a beard
@@dannym8015 yet he never did
One of my closest freinds went on this poor diet (carnivore). After numerous warnings from his doctor he refused to change and had a heart attack (53 years young) leaving a wife and 2 girls.
I'm in my early 30s.
I ate a fairly "healthy" version of SAD diet from when I was about 16 until I was about 27.
After that I ate a healthy vegeteration diet for 5 years, then started greying, losing hair, skin was getting dryer, suffering from low energy.
Now after 4 months on a carnivore diet, every metric of my blood work (testosterone, vitamin D, etc) is MUCH better than it ever was on SAD or vegetarian diets. And I have never been the type to eat tons of junk food, so this isn't a result of "just" cutting out junk food.
My cholelstoral has gone up as a result of carnivore diet but EVERY OTHER marker has improved, so for me I've come to the conclusion that high cholestoral alone isn't cause for concern.
Let's all meet back here in a few years and see how we're feeling 😉
If this doctor was a pilot he would be saying "the number of plane crashes is not a good way to tell if a plane is safe" before take off.
straw man. Lame.
Straw man.
@itsmedante.5325 is that your new buzzword you don't actually understand but like to use? How is this a strawman fallacy, care to elaborate?
@@bazileia9222 the doctor is not a pilot, neither has he made any claims of that ridiculous nature whatsoever. Therefore any "what if" arguments are futile, useless and hold no bearing on reality, and are in fact, ridiculous to even consider at all. But that's the best you vegans can do.
Did I really need to explain that to you? like a child?
Next.
here is the problem the modern nutritional rules are being pushed in the usa are bullshit and it has nothing to do with health and everything to do with politics. and to understand you have to look back to where the rules come from and thats when you discover that long a go the crypt keepers that are in DC starting having health problems and the current modern nutritional ideology is literally the thing that was being prescribed to crypt keepers. the fing idiots went good enough for us good enough for everyone.
modern doctors cant even speak out against it without risking their jobs they have to speak in vague ways around the subject its wild to see when you actually start to notice it.
I have familial hypercholesteremia. My mother died from heart disease, now I have advanced heart disease. I had zero other factors that would contribute to heart disease. I was always active, had low blood pressure. I have been vegan for years, but with total cholesterol of 375 my doctor recommended statins. I refused to take them, that was 15 years ago, now I am suffering with advanced heart disease. It's the cholesterol people, pay attention, unlike me.
My mom dropped statins 6 months ago, her cholesterol is still the same as with statind.She takes berberine.
a vegan diet can be unhealthy, it needs to be high carb low fat with no oil, otherwise it can make you sick
@@enalo6261have her look into inositol too. You can take it together. Myo and dchiro 40:1
You know your brain runs on cholesterol right ?? 😂😂 your body produces cholesterol.... if you eat food with a lot of it them your body will decrease the amount it creates. It's 200% not the cholesterol.
Being vegan is absolutely terrible for your health, specifically if you are northern european. Tens of thousands of years progressed eating all manner of animal products
Both of my parents are on statins and low cholesterol diet. That's gotten my mother severe Alzheimer's and my dad a five-way bypass. So you can believe your eyes or not. Humans have been eating meat for a million years.
In addition Ansel Keys seven countries study is a big lie, and the basis for our cholesterol approach in the United States. Google it.
100 years ago heart disease was extremely rare.
exactly.
@@bamiamicuso was processed food and sugar
@bamiamicu when exactly did they start their low cholesterol diet?
So what that humans have been eating meat for millions of years?
Have you ever asked yourself why Americans in the early 1800's had the least amount of heart disease in American history, "in spite" of being the same timeframe that Americans ate the most meat?
Or that in the past 90 years since we have been consistently been eating less and less meat statistically as a society and we have more and more heart disease? Is it just a coincidence that our processed carb and sugar intake has skyrocketed at the same time?
Have you considered the factor "palm oil + coconut oil"? I also doubt that Americans ate more fat in total back in the day. Or that they were moving less. Or eating less fiber. I don't know about smoking though. How is the history on that? Of course refined carbs, especially free sugar, is bad for you anyway. Mic never claimed the opposite.
@@nehalilisays My point is simply that it ain't the meat, we eat less meat now and have way more problems with heart disease and loads of other things. Personally I think it is the highly processed seed oils and highly processed sugars, and then other nonsense things like dyes, artificial and "natural" flavors etc.
In other words, it ain't a plants vs meat and eggs debate, it's a whole foods vs junk foods debate
@@nehalilisays ps, when it comes to the fats, the average American family in the 1800's had one head of cattle, usually for milk. With all the meat they were eating, a lot of people were not prone to waste much, meaning they would eat the brains, the heart, the kidneys, and the sweetbreads, and the testicles, which are particularly fatty organs. They would also eat the skins and the bone marrow, and any cut off fat would be rendered to lard or tallow for cooking. They also ate a lot of eggs in those days. So they definitely had a fair amount of animal fat in their diet.
As far as coconut and palm oil, those things were certainly available in Florida, southern California, and Hawaii, and palm perhaps also in southern Arizona. But until the invention of the train and the railroads, no one outside of area those trees grow would uave had access to those particular oils. And I am particularly talking about the early 1800's before the train.
My father did a stint in the arctic circle as a family medicine/ER doctor. He said that the people there had the highest lipoprotein levels that he'd ever seen. But, not one had CVD. Their diet consted of alcohol, carribou, seal meat/blubber, and fish.
Isn't in that part of the world where the life expectancy is 20 years lower than the average of the rest of the world?
@@gemmamarina Probably, he said that they had a lot of trauma cases from drunk people riding and crashing snowmobiles.
@ScienceNow- Was it plants or antibiotics and vaccines that improved lifespans ? Turns out Whale skin is loaded with vitamin C so they didn't need plants to get it.
@ScienceNow- infant mortality brings the average down.
@@gemmamarina correlation is not causation
I’m not a carnivore because I suspect that cutting down the Amazon and turning it into a desert might not be a good thing.
😂 Thank you for considering the rest of us and Planet Earth.
Are you insane ?
Carnivore advocates only eat local regenerative farmed humanly raised meats ....
@@hobogardenerben You'll care when you or a loved one dies from a deforested Amazon which will cause the next global pandemic .
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Please think before saying stuff.
@@hobogardenerben Your fellow traveller carnivore Dr Jordon Peterson stated 1 / 10 people have a IQ of less than 85 , this seem unbelievable to me untill I familiarised myself with the carni community.
@@hobogardenerben I've never seen you why should I care if you are brutally murdered ?
Its called a social contract .
I would love to be Vegan but from what I've seen, Carnivores tend to look a lot healthier than vegans. I don't understand why that is, if wfpb is better for us.
It's a weird one alright
🤔maybe because one is our species-appropriate diet, and the other is nonsense ideology.🙄
hmmmm. I wonder why.🤔
probably because you can actually access the nutrients in a carnivore diet?
Also, don't believe for a second that veganism is better for you, because plant foods (or rather what they contain) are the culprits to developing kidney stones.
If you go on a vegan diet, you're constantly monitoring what you're eating because of anti-nutrients and other side effects.
Vegetables aren't "harmless" foods, they protect themselves in other ways, i.e. chemicals, as opposed to animals who generally protect themselves through combat or running away.
probably because you can actually access the nutrients in a carnivore diet?
Also, don't believe for a second that veganism is better for you, because plant foods (or rather what they contain) are the culprits to developing kidney stones.
If you go on a vegan diet, you're constantly monitoring what you're eating because of anti-nutrients and other side effects.
Vegetables aren't "harmless" foods, they protect themselves in other ways, i.e. chemicals, as opposed to animals who generally protect themselves through combat or running away.
Low carbers' scientific claims have changed over the years.
Atkins claimed that cholesterol numbers lowered on his diet. Then it went to, "carbs raises cholesterol." That didn't work, so they went to cholesterol levels, don't matter or that higher cholesterol is healthy and protective.
If you've been around long enough, you see how these diets cycle in and out of popularity. Once they fade due to health problems and lack of science, another low-carb diet pops up with some minor differences but a lot of the same rhetoric. Mostly telling people what they want to hear about their bad habits.
Diets would lose out if they worked. There's a reason people struggle their whole lives with weight loss no matter how many diets they try. I tried a lot of things, they were not doable in the long run so I always failed sooner or later. Of course I did, it's all set up to make you feel like shit, look how much work you're putting in. And then you fail because the diet isn't providing anything for you and you just get more and more hungry as you crave things missing from your diet, because you're restricting to an extreme. It's ad how it's all stacked against you. The only thing that has helped me is intermittent fasting, read a book by Dr. Pelz, adapted it to a vegan diet, ben doing it for months now, not feeling hungry all the time,eating within a windo, it's slow progress as I've had to adjust it for my health situation, so I do eat some processed foods instead of whole as whole cause me symptoms. But i's something I will stick to for the rest of my life, I find i easy and effective.
wow it's almost like science is just a process and nothing is set in stone
no way! ...really!!?? ....it's almost as if science changes it's opinions as it discovers new things.
@@Nikwunuyou missed the point. The science hasn't actually changed in regards to the low carb trend. The evidence wasn't on its side back then and still isn't. Thats the point.
@@DanteLikesRock it went over your head too
Funny that she has to supplement Vitamin D. People always make fun of vegans if they supplement anything. I’d like to see her Vitamin C levels.
They also need to supplement electrolytes, often they don't ingest enough omega 3 and 6 (even if they won't admit it cause seed oils tho) and let's not start with fiber
all low carb /keto/ carnivores take handfuls of supplements then rag on vegans for taking a B12 supplement.
wow ! it's almost as if people aren't getting enough sunlight as they should.🙄
Above the 45 degree latitude there is no UVB from September to June. Glass also filters UVB from the light. @@DanteLikesRock
@dantelikesrock but you people claim that animal based food has enough vitamin D. Now you need sun just like the rest of us?
There is a channel i think its no carb life where he interviews hundreds of people who are carnivore mainly and the effect it has had on their life. Its a good mix of people of all ages not just young.
Love that channel
For a woman to be living on steak and butter is frightening as the Bovine Leukemia Virus genome is found to be in 60% of breast cancer cases in the US. Great as always Mic
I keep putting off a video on that connection, thanks for reminding me!
Are you trolling? Steak and organic butter is very healthy.
@@orion9k:
What's amazing is that I can't tell if you're a funny person who is telling a joke, or if you unironically believe something that insanely stupid. Dead animal remains and animal products are extremely toxic garbage to human physiology.
Apparently you think women are the only gender capable of getting breast cancer then again most of you dont think there are genders.
@@orion9kno it isn’t for a variety of reasons including the Bovine Leukemia Virus en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_leukemia_virus
I'm 64, I have been low carb for OVER 25 years, carnivorous for OVER 5 years.
Why? I feel better not eating plants, sugar, starches, vegetable and seed oils.
It's all about context, LDL in the context of high glucose/insulin and high triglycerides may be meaningful, NOT the same in the context of LOW carb diets.
I am not taking any medication, super active, all my health metrics are within the "perfect" range, except for LDL cholesterol being 200 mg/dL, my HDL is 70 and my triglycerides < 50, perfect blood pressure and many other markers.
My coronary calcification score is zero.
Traditional high carbohydrate diets are responsible for many of the chronic diseases, along vegetable / seed oils. It is possible that a vegetarian diet is superior to the standard American diet, but that does not mean it is an ideal diet for humans.
seed oils :)
Do you ever keep up with the guy named Bart Kay who uses your videos to respond to you on TH-cam? ? It's hilarious. He did one on this episode called "Mike, the vegan vs steak and butter gal." I think you and your
viewers would find it very funny.
I think Kay is too disgusting to watch, personally.
What is not mentioned is her HDL is super high at 98. My LDL is 125 and HDL is 28, for example. Even though my LDL is low, but my HDL is super low which the doctor correctly pointed out was not healthy; I was actually advised to eat more salmon and fish.
HDL is not causal in preventing heart disease--that old idea got debunked about a decade ago, but more an more research proves that the higher your LDL and the longer it's high, the more plaque forms and the greater the risk of heart attacks.
I’m a 30 year old standard America diet vegan and honestly my bloodworks been coming back completely fine 🤷🏻♀️
You're 30. 🤦♀️
@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistenthaven't ye heard? people are getting fat and heart attacks even bellow that age
@@arjunratnadev And? There's chain smokers in their 90s. What's your point?
Standard American diet and vegan are near opposite ends of the spectrum
@@chantalbaxter9126 "Standard American diet and vegan are near opposite ends of the spectrum" Not really. The SAD contains a lot of junk and this junk nowadays can easily bought 'veganized'! You can be vegan without eating any real fruit or vegetable ever!
I love that "carnie" now refers to both sketchy carnival workers AND carnivore dieters.
😂😂😂
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I know, the imagery makes a lot of sense in my head too.
haha, yep
I’m currently trying to popularize referring to anti vegans and non vegans in general as “carni-clowns.” I hope it catches on.
mic the vegan never miss an oportunity to say how low his ldl value and acused dr eckberg of purposly skiping the ldl value in a video. mic the vegan also skips his triglicerydes levels. triglicerydes over hdl ratio is five times more precise mesurement of heart desease then ldl levels.
Cardiovascular surgeons are not the same as cardiologists - and as surgeons they are a lot less interested (and knowledgeable about) things like blood cholesterol levels...
Yes. These surgeons are closer to being mechanics than scientists. And that's no slight intended towards mechanics. It's just a different skill set and mental aptitude.
There are surgeon Doctors who do think about it but they don't have time to be on TH-cam talking about it. They're to busy putting in stents to repair the damage from poor life style choices. I've talked to many surgeons and Doctors and the majority of the ones I've met are health conscious. Some even intermittent fast and have gone vegan. The Doctors can't recommend these things since that is not what they do and it's not part of the standard medical practice play book. This Doctor is a rogue though I'm not sure why that is, he's definitely not someone I wouldn't trust for health advise though he may be a good surgeon.
That makes sense. I suppose a cardiac surgeon would love unhealthy diets. He needs to work, right? If we all were vegan, his job would be obsolete 🤷♀️
the good old "expert" who does have qualifications, and sounds relevant, but did not actually study the thing they are giving advice on.
@@NapaValleyVegan Quite a few heart surgeon are vegan and totally promote a plant diet
all these 'authorities' also say you should eat 40% of carbs - breads grains etc. So trust your sources if you want to!
iv been vegetarian, vegan for 8 years ive tried carvinore and fruit only, i drop too much weight on vegan and vegetarian, i started to get grey hair also im young, i use a rule i cannot suplement, this year i started eating fish, it was such a difference in energy and weight i eat meat now and chicken, right now im eating omnivore but i dont eat much pasta, rice or potatoes i try to eat whole foods that are very nutriferous, colorfull salads tasty fruits and good meat, i gained over 5 k of muscle, i feel more energetic and i crave less sweets and bs food, im eating about 150 gr of protein a day
just another example of why meat is our biological diet.
Her: "I found a single doctor who would tell me what I wanted to hear."🤡
"my vegan diet is so healthy that I need to supplement with B12 because that's exactly how nature intended it to be."🤡
@@DanteLikesRock Low effort spamming. Nature doesn't have intentions and natural doesn't mean healthy. And people if were interested in health outcomes, supplements should always be considered for *all diets.
@@Sovvyy absolute nonsense. Look at all the animals in the wild thriving with their supplements. Oh wait... they don't. They just eat what comes naturally to them.
You vegans are ridiculous.
@dantelikesrock in another thread you were ok with her supplementation of vitamin D although we take about 80% from exposure to sun, but somehow B12 is too much for you, even though that about 40% of population (non vegans) have to supplement due to malabsobtion, go figure...
Cognitive dissonance and Dunning Kruger are strong with you dude...
@@bazileia9222 you can't compare the two.
needing to supplement for a vitamin that is synthesized from sunlight is completely different to supplementing a lack of nutrients in your diet, some people work indoors all day and cant get sun. Not the same as people going out of their way to malnourish themselves. This is about DIET. Your point?
You don’t need a full video to explain her results. Her body adapted to burning fat and she is called “lean mass hyper responder”. Her situation is perfectly healthy and easily explainable.
Just search youtube for “A Simple Analogy to Explain High ApoB and Why LMHR May Be Different” video and you’ll understand why this mic the vegan guy is completely clueless about this topic.
"Her body adapted to burning fat and she is called “lean mass hyper responder”. Her situation is perfectly healthy and easily explainable." Mic the Vegan has a new video out that absolutely destroys that LMHR study, and meanwhile in the real world, a mountain of research proves that elevated LDL is causal for heart disease.
@@Albdean "Mic isn't an expert of anything. He reads Google bias Vegan Articles as facts. That's all he does. lol" Mic has a masters' degree in public health with a focus on nutrition. I am a senior university professor and researcher who has studied and taught about healthy nutrition and nutrition myths for more than a decade. From that vantage point, I can report that Mic's videos present quite accurate information even if his tone can be a bit snarky.
@@Albdean To simplify, mountains of research shows that the best overall long-term health outcomes have been achieved by diets dominated by whole plant foods--whether vegan or not--and most of the diets that achieved the best outcomes had levels of fat consumption lower than what Americans would consider to be low fat diets (more like 8-18% calories from fat; only 3-6% calories from saturated fat).
There's simply no evidence very high fat diets (or diets high in animal foods) can be as healthy in the long run (decades), and we know lots of scientific reasons why that is so (ex: lots of toxic chemicals naturally accumulate at high levels in the fat of animals, so meat eaters have been found to have much higher levels of toxic chemicals in their bodies).
Take care.
He’s being a beta simp due to his diet. Easily triggered and very reactive. His feminine side is taking over his masculine side. The diet effed up his hormones real bad and it’s showing clearly.
@@Albdeani wish I never tried carnivore. I had huge medical bill from emergency room.
I had during 3 years several health issues on carnivore.
Human is not carnivore.
Carnivore animals have hard nails, they drink water with tongue, they have closed eyes on birth moment etc. Human is primate mammal.
What is going to happen if one of these young people Dr. Ovadia is telling not to worry about sky high cholesterol has a heart attack or stroke?
It will either be blamed on something else, or swept under the rug. You know that!
The stroke will be blamed on oxalates and anti nutrients still left over from the previous diet😂😂
@@ToriHarris-lb6zg which is entirely correct. atherosclerosis takes DECADES to develop.
@@itsmedante.5325 please explain the physiological mechanism by which atherosclerosis forms...
@@itsmedante.5325 So you think that all these people with clogged arteries are eating veggies and fresh fruit for every meal despite the fact that Americans eat almost no produce? Dr.Gregor was correct when he called you carnivores the flat earthers of nutrition😂😂
Vegan to carnivore = my whole personality is my diet
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Ovadia won't change his stance because he's made it into his personality. He even got things explainted the way they are by Dr Gil from Nutrition Made Simple 🤷🏻♂️
They can't walk it back even if they know they're wrong so they have to keep doubling down. Eventually the Doctor will have a cardiac event himself but will blame it on genetics if he lives through it.
He will keep going until he drops from a heart attack himself. His body shape screams that he is heading that way.
LOL. dr Gil is clueless.
@@DanteLikesRock he has actual education in nutrition unlike the cardiologist. And everything he says in the interview with Ovadia is backed with studies, I don't see how you could say that, unless you're a conspiracist.
@@dekyor9547 Dr Gil still thinks LDL is causal to heart disease. Doesn't get more clueless than that I'm afraid.
Good thing she got off that restrictive "vegan" diet for the 'steak and butter" diet...
Yes, that I really don't understand. I can't imagine eating only meat for every meal every day. Unless you are desperate to use what ever diet to solve some severe health problems, why would you choose such a boring diet?
@@thatsalt1560 she looks like shes enjoying it
You'd think you'd get bored of eating steak everyday. I thought the same...it makes sense, but 3 years in and I look forward to steak every day. In fact, I can't wait.@@thatsalt1560
@@thatsalt1560boring diet??? I can't imagine eating nothing but vegetables all day every day. Even when I was plant based, I had to mix all my vegetables and "health foods" into a smoothie just to choke it down. "Boring" felt pretty great after torturing my taste buds and giving myself arthritis for a year.
Restrictive really only means something if it's antithetical to your taste buds. Does a plant based diet have more variety? Sure. Are my taste buds WAY happier eating a "boring" steak and eggs with cheese than when I was plant based? Bet your ass!
People have been saying that there are "excess deaths" over the last few years, which began a couple of years before the pandemic. My guess is that these excess deaths are caused by the keto, low carb, carnivore, diets. Nobody is looking at diet as a cause, and very few want to admit the incredible harm these low carb fad diets are causing.
There could be two things, one is that overdose deaths are up. Another is that meat consumption rates are increasing, as far as I know, among the meat-eating population. And maybe a third one, just the decline of western society in general; there are lots of other things correlated, like infant mortality going up in the US for the first time in a long time, and the Flynn Effect (intergenerational IQ increase) seeming to be reversing itself for the first time since it started.
I think the carnivore fad was relatively small back then, but definitely growing. Now it is quite large, not sure exactly how large though. I suspect it will take a while to start seeing the large-scale health impact of the fad. I don't know if we can believe everything they say, but multiple people claim to have been full carnivore for over a year with apparently no major adverse events. So maybe a few-year lag to see the impacts on a large scale
Americans have the lowest life expectancy of all developed nations.
The USA is also the place where low carb and carnivore diets are rampant because people don't listen to health organisations or look at the totality of evidence.
People blame gun deaths and overdoses etc, but I am pretty sure the fact that in America 1 out of 3 dies of heart attack while in most of Europe its 1 out of 4, has something to do with it also.
@@WinterGK humans weren't meant to have high carb diets. After the agricultural revolution forced 90%+ to eat mostly wheat, rice, and other high carb foods health in basically every way went down. I doubt low-carb is the real reason this has occurred. The absolutely horrendous state of the American and British food industry is more to blame, it doesn't matter what it was at the beginning once its been through the processing, meat or vegetable or anything else.
@@雷-t3j I mean, there are about 10,000 years between the agricultural revolution and the rise of "ultra-processed" foods. High-carb diets, outside a tiny number of exceptions, have always been the norm globally, even pre-agriculture.
People today are much healthier in many respects that certain early Neolithic populations, and yet the food we eat is far more processed. The reason health declined was because of overreliance on a few staple crops, not a shift in macro ratios, which probably stayed pretty similar.
@@雷-t3j After the agricultural revolution life expectancy kept rising for decades.
You're just following a narrative.
We can look at what is actually killing people and ruining people's lives.
1 out of 3 is dying early from heart disease.
We know what causes heart disease.
Heart disease research:
Most studies that compare replacing saturated fats with refined sugar don't help much.
So yeah, sugar is not good food. Don't let people trick you by using "carbohydrates" as a blanket term
All studies that replace saturated fats with Polyunsaturated fat, Mufa or whole grains, show a significant reduction.
Cancer: Vegans, Vegetarians and people on plant based diets reduce the risk of cancer compared to high meat diets.
Diabetes: Vegans have close to a 90% reduction according to many studies.
We need to look at what is killing us and how to fix it. Formulating alternative theories is not helping.
I tried carnivore. My NMR particle studies improved markedly. Felt fantastic. I'd stay carnivore, but I crave variety.
but there's variety... different animals, different organs...
I’m sorry you’re eating sentient animals, but adding plant varieties will improve your health overall.
Do what you want.
Keep the carb intake low. Stunt the glycemic spike with various strategies.
And keep on keeping on....
@@kentroskelley1389 Moral arguments have nothing to do with nutrition.
The BROAD study is a study of the Whole Food plant based diet: A randomized controlled trial (The Gold Standard of Studies)
Outcome: The WFPB diet can be seen as an effective, safe option for weight loss and chronic disease risk and quality of life improvements. Key foods included whole grains, legumes, vegetables and fruits.
No mandated exercise or calorie counting was implemented.
The WFPB group had a self-reported increased quality of life, they decreased their medication and blood glucose and their cholesterol dropped. The plant-based group had left the 3-month study 19 pounds lighter, but at 6 months were down about 27 lbs. The BROAD study, however, lasted only 3 months, yet the plant-based group not only lost significant weight, they kept it off. This study ran from August 2014 to 2015 and was extended to 2017.
-UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.
LDL is OK for carnivores because the large fluffy unicorns carry it away.
good strawman.👍🏻 that definitely holds up against scientific rigor.
@@DanteLikesRockscientific rigour ? Show me your sources clown 😂😂😂
@@DanteLikesRock what scientific rigor? Where is the evidence for your claims?
@@bazileia9222 you already know.
Why didnt they measure ApoB. Studies indicate its more positively correlated with CAD than ldl level.
Mick, you’re only lever that you can pull is that high LDL is bad. Everything else improves in terms of blood markers. Could it just be that high LDL in the context of Very Good triglycerides and HDL, is actually healthy for you? I think you have backed the wrong horse.
People in Hong Kong have the highest meat consumption per capita in the world and they live the longest.
The current life expectancy for Hong Kong in 2023 is 85.29 years.
What kind of meat do they eat?
@@mballerThey eat anything.
If that simple, then you'd expect the list of countries that eat the most meat to the least meat to mirror the list of countries from most long lived to least. They don't really. For example Japan is 3rd on the longevity list but quite a way down the most meat eaten list.
They have the lowest athletic achievements in China, both mainland and Taiwan. And they also combine that with a heap of soy and veggies in their meals for a balanced diet, so you can't just say it's the meat alone that is making them live longest. Truth be told thry have quite high diabetes rate and physical problems like obesity compared to the other parts of China.
Because the life expectancy rate takes a few decades to rise with meat consumption … If everyone in the US decided to start smoking tomorrow, it would take decades to see the outcomes of that. Most elders around the world ate less meat as children- but in the US, children are beginning to die younger than their parents because of decades of poor diet.
Bella is living proof that being skinny is no guarantee of low LDL. If I only knew her LDL level but didn't know what she looked like, I'd assume that she weighed at least 400 pounds.
It’s not about weight when your arteries are clogged by ingesting saturated fats and carcinogenic meat products.
I'm overweight, but I've been vegan for many years, and even before going egan my bloods were always good. Been anemic a couple of times (only once since going vegan, several times before going vegan), but otherwise my blood tests were always in order. So weight doesn't determine these things. It can be a factor, it can signal bad diet. But doesn't always. I gained weight when I was dying in a hospital bed at age 7 with a heart condition reulting from strep throat. Was given literal handfuls of medication every day and was not allowed to leave the bed, because it could have been too much for my heart. Spent several months like that and gained weight super quickly. And have struggled for the rest of my life, having PCOS and fatigue, both of which work against me. Slowly losing now with intermittent fasting as it's the only thing that has helped me.
@kathleenphillips7145 you think that saturated fats end up in your arteries the same way they sit on your plate? Throught 1-3 ph acid in your stomach down your intestines throught a 1 cell thick intestinal wall then inside your blood then to the arteries and some it's knly at this point that it causes grief lmao hahahahaha
@@TheHestya you're overweight on a vegan diet??? wow!!!?? shocker!!!?? it's ALMOST AS IF eating plants-only and going against your biology isn't good for you. 🙄
you vegans are so obsessed with LDL. completely ignoring the bigger, more important picture that is SYSTEMIC INFLAMMATION. (from carbs.)
It blows my mind how you have both vegan and carny cardiologists who do surgery and see the damage people do to themselves but reach different conclusion on the cause of heart disease in terms of diet. WTF.
well apparently they are not equally greedy, if people stopped all their bad habits and started living healthy what will the doctor's Unions do?
Bias, ignorance, and greed tend to account for those who stray from scientifically backed consensus. Rarely are these individuals being ethical or intelligent when coming to their contradicting conclusions.
Many humans are addicts and like what they eat, they have confirmation bias
That is false equivalence. 1 carnivore dr and millions saying to eat more veggied whole grains and fruits.
Mic you have not responded to any of my questions on LDL which means you dont know the answers
1) if i fast for 24 hrs, my LDL will go over 200, so is LDL the bad guy
2) if LDL is less than 1% of the materials found in plaques, why do we care about LDL as a valid biomarker?
3) the brain need cholesterol, so why do we need to have low cholesterol?
4) if the blood contains LDL all equal the body, why do we have blockages only around the large arteries not small vessels?
This has been posted many times since the last 3 months
But you continue to blame people for high LDL when you dont even know how lipids work
Please answer or make a video so all the people can listen to these questions, thansk
he will never. Doesn't fit in with his narrative.
Still remember the day when the first lion began churning butter. We need to go back to simpler times.
The Lion Diet is just beef, salt, and water and it is only a nickname for that way of eating. No one in the carnivore community ever said we should emulate lions in our eating habits apart from eating meat.
@@johnow7Lions don’t eat beef or salt. Find a new name for your stupid diet.
You’re not a carnivore btw 🙃
Why not follow a primate/human species specific diet? Plants for thriving, meat for surviving.
Or a diet with scientific evidence- Plants for thriving, meat for heart disease and cancer. 👍🏻
I check my blood every year and everything is in perfect range.
P.S. I've been vegan for 7 years now. 💚🌱
Yup, here too. Everything has gotten better even though I ate well beforehand.
Mine is always perfect also wfpb almost 9 years
Me too. Vegan since 2017 with perfect blood work. 💚 🌱
Great!
"perfect range" according to who? Who determines what "perfect range" is.
it looks like there's a huge meat industry counter attack these days, a lot of carnivore video recommandations on youtube, ridiculous and sad...
I saw some carnivore dieters proclaiming their excitement of their diet "going mainstream" now.
The comment sections of large carnivore youtubers and smaller carnivore youtubers is so different. Comments on the smaller canivore videos are usually people saying how they're failing on the diet while on the larger ones all I see are like 2k thumbs up on comments about how someone has been doing the diet a month and their entire life is changed and they'll never eat any other way.
Exactly. Carnivore fans frequently bemoan the lack of peer reviewed studies on their odd diet. I heard a diet researcher say that he has tried to recruit carnivore dieters for studies, but his research needs close to a year to glean results. But so many people drop out due to problems or sheer boredom of nothing but meat. Then he’s left with too few people to achieve statistically significant conclusions. So he’s given up on future carnivore studies.
One month 😂
I kid you not one made his friend go carnivore and was cured of major depression in a week ....
As a counter perspective, have you seen the comments on Mic's videos? There appears to be two extremes on both sides. I have looked through 5 videos, and in the comment sections on mics videos, there are not many critical comments, if any. What should be said in general, is that following any strict diet - that excludes things- many times, is not beneficial. It is very hard, even for a nutritionist, to know, when something important is being excluded - this goes for both vegan and carnivorous diets. If anything, a diversified diet should be promoted. And of course, fast foods and highly processed foods should be excluded - but to note, is that many people still rely on them (lack time, cheapest alternative, etc.), ergo, judgement should be passed accordingly.
Another good video. BTW, I'd mention again as you did that both heart attacks and unstable angina cause cholesterol to decline so it's little surprise that people hospitalised with these conditions have 'low' levels of cholesterol on admission. The denialists constantly fail to mention this. Another point regarding all these bright, bubbly young people laughing off their high cholesterl levels is that it seems to be 'cholesterol years' that better predict risk than a single point cholesterol score. This is analogous to the pack years concept in cigarette smoking and risk. See eg the 2020 paper "Time course of LDL cholesterol exposure and cardiovascular disease event risk"
the "denialists" do mention it, you're just too blind to open your mind to the possibility that perhaps cholesterol is there for a purpose and not just to give us heart disease. 🙄
false. The "denialists" do mention it. You just choose what you want to believe based on emotions and not science.
@@itsmedante.5325 You either have a Puckish sense of humour or the most amazing brass neck.
@itsmedante.5325 how funny that someone with zero scientific credentials (no TH-cam videos are not scientific credentials) says anything about denying science...
GUESS what..... remember you made a video about FiftyPlusBeauty who was eating Carnivore and got a stroke? well she just went plant based! check out her last video called "Heart Disease Reversal Diet - Did the Carnivore Diet Cause My Stroke?"
Just bought the scale! I’m so stoked to get to track more than just my weight without blood tests (which I will still do) every 2 years 💪🌱💕
Do you use an orange filter on this video? Yes or no??
Suspicious her cholesterol was 175 as a vegan.... I'm far from a whole foods vegan and my cholesterol is under 100... Most likely she was not actually following a vegan diet at all.
it's laughable the extents you vegans go to try rationalize your nonsense diet.
There are many whole food vegans who have high cholesterol. That itself shows that the vegan diet is useless, even by your own definition of "LDL bad".
Vegans debunked by themselves once again!
stop the mental gymnastics. just admit that your vegan diet sucks and isn't healthy even by your own definitions of "LDL bad".
oh yeah right.🙄 good way to rationalize your BS diet!
what are your trigs ?? the calculated LDL - thats right calculated LDL (Friedewalt Equation) goes lower with high trigs and higher with lower trigs so vegan LDL 81 trigs 97 carni LDL 264 trigs 15 - Are high trigs good ?? - "High triglycerides can increase your risk of cardiovascular disease, including stroke, heart attack and heart disease. A high triglyceride level is one of the signs of metabolic syndrome. This is a collection of health conditions that increase your risk of cardiovascular disease and diabetes. (Health Direct)" So what are your trigs !! - talk to your doctor if concerned
Honestly we need to report this doctor for medical misinformation.
If it weren't for the American system he probably wouldn't even be allowed to practice
yes I agree we need to report Mic for his nonsensical propaganda.
@@DanteLikesRockNonsensical propaganda??? You mean like the meat, dairy, pharmaceutical, and medical industries, who are always conditioning and programming the mainstream status quo, of farmed human animals aka sheeple, with their literal bullshit???
@@crystalbluebutterfly you are misguided bigtime.
@@itsmedante.5325 Shut up! I am not! Clearly, you are though! I haven't eaten dead animals in 35 years, and I am thriving. You're no authority on the subject matter
of plant-based nutrition, and herbal medicine. Maybe you should go seek some actual knowledge, and develop your own conscious awareness in the ways that i have over the course of my entire adult life, and then we will talk in 2058 to compare our note , at that point. You can let me know what you think about plant=based nutrition and herbal medicine then, and not a moment sooner. k, thanks! bye!
Ok. Then how do you explain Dr Shawn Baker, full carnivore over 10 years. Still very healthy, and no plaque in arteries.
I've actually improved auto immune issues going mostly carnivore. Several compounds in many plants I cannot eat. Skin goes crazy.
There is no proof he has no plaque in arteries as up to 40% of people with clear CAC scores have stroke and heart attacks.
Shawn Bakers latest labs showed hba1c at 6.3, fasting glucose at 126. These are diabetic numbers lol.
Bajer is pre-diabetic with testosterone levels of an old man...
How would you know that he has no plaques? Did you dissect him?
@@erastvandoren it's called a calcium artery scan. Very simple MRI scan to check arteries for any plaque. I had mine done recently. Im 52, eat lots of meat, fatty meat.... no plaque. Sugar and too many carbs are the real enemy. Obviously processed food!
What a healthy carnivore doctor! 🤦🏻♂️
what a healthy man spreading his vegan propaganda! Looks like he needs some sleep though- and maybe some meat.... oh- nevermind! he's SO HEALTHY GUYS!!
@@itsmedante.5325 which part is propaganda again? Care to elaborate?
@@itsmedante.5325shut up!
@@bazileia9222 the entire vegan ideology. it's not based in science. It's based in religion and emotions.
@@itsmedante.5325 buzzwords instead of saying something meaningful? Didn't expect anything else.
Projecting much honey?
Is so sad the amount of suffering these people cause until the Darwin Awards catch up 😢😢
That cardiologist should lose his license. How ridiculously biased and careless of him to promote such an unhealthy diet.
Makes you question lots of doctors. Just because someone passed university classes doesn’t mean they’re smart. The amount of times I was told “oh your wrists hurt? Your back hurts? Eat meat!” Turns out I needed to stop using the smith machine at the gym for my wrists and started working on mobility and core stability for my back and now I’m fine 🤡
tell me smart guy, what's unhealthy about it.
I'm waiting.
@@DanteLikesRock high amounts of Saturated fat has been shown in a huge amount of high quality studies to increase cholesterol and apoB. And high appB causes heart disease. It’s not even controversial, these are well documented facts. Check out the TH-cam channel “nutrition made simple” and his saturated fat or ApoB videos. He usually has at least 20-30 high quality studies linked as references and breaks them down
@dantelikesrock CVD, colo-rectal cancer....
How about you naming those 30+ years carnivores that you say exist?
@@bazileia9222 "65 yrs carnivore"- look it up.
Has she never heard of getting a 2nd oppinion????
Why seek one out when there is an authority willing to confirm your beliefs. ;)
My wife and I are the only Vegans in our families, and yesterday, we had her side over for dinner for her dad's birthday. Her brother informed us that he's going to a Carnivore diet and doesn't want to hear anything about it from us. We were told he has done his research, and he's doing it, and nothing we could say would change his mind. I so badly wanted to show him your videos, but I knew he wouldn't even listen. 😔
I know how rough it is to watch a loved one damage their health and not be able to do anything. Wishing you the best ❤
Mics "Vegan carnivore swap" video is a great one to show, but yes can't be co dependent,
people don't want to hear it but there Are ways to inject your truth into your speech ✌️
What's worked for me is...
Or- the way I understand it is.....
My condolences since he won’t be around for long living like that.
we had her side over for dinner haha and then forced your vegan diet on them, but when you visit them they cater to your needs - very rude peoples - keep the B12 up
It's hilarious to read this, as a meat eater xD
Dairy consumption increases breast cancer.
Dairy is full of the hormone estradiol because the dairy cow is milked while it is pregnant and it has been measured in the milk. The 7th day Adventists are often studied because they are health conscious, don’t drink alcohol or smoke, and eagerly participate in studies. ADVENTIST HEALTH STUDY 2 showed the more milk the Adventists consumed the higher the breast cancer. This study was confirmed by a study in China, CHINA KADOORIE BIOBANK STUDY. The Conclusion: The more dairy you consume the higher your breast cancer risk. ¼ cup/day of milk increases breast cancer risk by 17%.
Since I've been vegetarian, I've seen people do Atkins and fail, Paleo and fail, Keto and fail. Carnivore is the latest low carb trend and people will inevitably fail.
must be why so many vegans end up feeling like garbage and end up quitting for carnivore.🤔
I'm betting there's a strong positive correlation between being a flat-earther or geocentrist and being a carnivore.
Avianthro Don't be ridiculous . I know we don't live on a spinning ball hurtling through space . I also know we are not carnivores .
@@alanwhitham4 There's always an outlier or two.
@@Avianthro Thank goodness . Someone has to lead the way .
@@alanwhitham4 Godspeed!
you're confused with vegans! who completely go against what nature intends humans to eat.
High cholesterol can also be a side effect of undiagnosed hypothyroidism, low niacin intake, pancreatitis or just plain bad luck genewise.
high cholesterol can also be a side effect of a species-appropriate diet due to millions of years of evolution.🙄
@@itsmedante.5325 yes definitely, malaria needs cholesterol to thrive so no surprise some of us end up with susceptibility. Wish there could be a better discussion about cholesterol but probably not possible these days 😕
@@nooooobingo I was hinting at the fact that high cholesterol is perfectly fine. I suggest to learn from neuroscientist Dr David Diamond and professor Bart Kay.
@@itsmedante.5325 oh I see , well I wouldn't say that for everyone tbh but maybe one day there will be a better and more personalised approaches.
She has an ED, but people don’t want to talk about that.
ED?
@@enamuossuoEating disorder
@@RushyJam thanks
How? Meat is human's natural diet you can't have a eating disorder eating one natural diet.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320if it was natural the longest living communities wouldn't be vegan like the Adventist Vegetarians who are 90% vegan and have the longest healthiest lives
Could it be, as a businessman, that cardiologist is happy to encourage people to become his future customer?
If everyone "went vegan" a lot of doctors would start going out of business as their entire business model is based on "sick care" instead of actual "health care..."
False. if everybody went vegan, big pharma would make 💵💵💵 because they would've made cholesterol look like the bad guy.
EVEN WHEN IT ISN'T.
youre missing the big picture.
farmaceutical companies benefit from making LDL look like the bad guy, when it is not.
@@DanteLikesRock
Not at all... America's "Sick Care" is incentivized to addict its "customers" on any and every pill they can patent. When the doctor asks why you didn't buy & fill the prescription he/she gave you, it's because the pharmaceutical companies give a small commission to the doctor. That's how they know.
You attack studies that you deem to be poor, but then use poor studies and cases to try and prove your point ......
such as
@@morganthem basically all of them. professor Bart Kay debunked Mic countless times.
@@morganthem especially when he cites the "european consensus panel". What a joke.
Mic is a Complete Imbecile who frames his ludicrous narrative by cherry picking BS studies and using editing to further frame a false narrative.
What more to expect from a guy somewhat trying to dismiss the therm carnivore for people eating butter while also calling himself vegan besides consuming chocolate and using spices to make his meals somewhat enjoyable (the list could go on for days you know....) 🙄
He's a surgeon..
Also, his understanding of established science (let alone all the new studies and probabilities) is very bad to say the least..
You're getting debunked. Have a live debate with Professor Bart Kay.
Assuming this doctor 🤨 is on a carnivore diet, why do they usually look so waxy and puffy. He sort of looks like he had a stroke. He is dangerous to his patients! This carnivore diet is getting more and more ridiculous! Going to check out that scale, tx! 🌱
-What their colon must look like! Had my colonoscopy recently and it was clean, clean, clean! I am going to say being a veg head for 30 yrs contributed to that (vegetarian for 18 and vegan for 11yrs, so 29 yrs).
Well done, I'm so happy for you!
The Dr looks very ill, but Mic looks so amazing, healthy looking skin and face 😂😂😂
These diet wars are getting ridiculous, I eat vegetables, low sugar fruit, fish and small amounts of meat , I don’t eat grains , processed foods , seed oils or tropical fruits. I m definitely healthier than vegans or carnivores.
Respectfully, if carnivore is not ideal, then why do many people do so great on it?
Its a restrictive diet. So if you have any issues with specific foods they are removed hence some improvements. And people can function really well not being healthy. Some chinese guy recently ran a marathon with nothing but cigarettes and coffee. The body is resilient.
@@patrickbateman1660 But looking at so many personal stories of people who have done carnivore, it seems like it really has benefited them. Maybe it doesn't work for some people, but it seems to have a dorect positive correlation with their medical issues.
I'm a 60yo LMHR now with CAC score of 0. I was first told to go on statins because of high LDL at age 27 already (I didn't), so... surely by now something should have starting sticking to my arteries?
The whole cholesterol thing is ridiculous, it’s necessary for the body to repair and make hormones.
it seems from politics a goverment meddling. just think of every time knew someone that tried a new diet and it worked for them so they push it on to everyone they know.... now imagine they had the governmental powers. thats the deep dark secret of of current nutritional ideology its based keeping dietary needs of someone in their 70s
Unfortunately, she will keep physicians in business.
unfortunately, vegans will keep big pharma in business.
It was hilarious watching Bart Kay (an actual scientist in the field) dismantle this vegan propagandists in a recent video. Good entertainment indeed
Surprisingly Mic never answers him not he wants to debate him.
Just like Negra.
I asked him a few times if he's willing to debate Bart and he never answered lol.
The truth always comes up on top. In 30 years our kids will laugh at our arguments.
Thought you were comparing blood work? All I saw you Rant about was cholesterol
I thought her channel was a troll. My brain can't comprehend how anybody would voluntarily choose to eat that much steak and butter every day. Gross.
Many humans have gone from "diet" to diet, finding what works. One thing that
amazes me is several humans love consuming JUST animal stuff, they BRAG about how wonderful it is, somehow they do not get bored to death having only about 12 high fatty choices, and being very very constipated without fiber. I am not afraid of plants and I
eat them as a longtime vegan.
@@rachelgoodkind6545" being very very constipated without fiber."
What? 😆!
@@AlvinKazuyeah dude, even though I will indulge the troll, people on carnivore diet have problems going no 2...
@@rachelgoodkind6545of course eating animals is hard to get sick of because humans are biologically carnivores. it's vegans that are obsessed with recipes and meat imitations because they are never satisfied with what they are eating. they also fast because of the pain caused by eating fiber.
@@bazileia9222So a troll is someone who questions you? Makes sense that a vegan wouldn't want to have an actual conversation.
Meat doesn't make you constipated....
I've had plenty of low/no veggie days and never got "constipated." Not even once in my life.
On the flip side, it's all that fiber that clogs you up.... How many vegans complain of bathroom issues? Many of them.
Then again, I'm ot a Carnivore.
Pretty messed up that even if they go back to a "normal" diet, they've already screwed themselves for life. Unless they went on a rigorous diet that can reverse this atherosclerosis afterwards, which i highly doubt most, if any of them will.
It really cannot be reversed, just slowed down.
I did 6 months keto 5 years ago and I want to book a neck artery ultrasound appointment as a 25, really scared I messed up something
better to do it sooner than later @@EchelonPandora
you vegans have no clue what causes atherosclerosis. If you did, you'd change your tune real quick.
@@DanteLikesRock You do realize that vegans don't have their own view on this right? We share our standpoint with the whole world except a very small group of a few low-carb fans.
I think Mic needs to learn the meaning of causal. He's possibly the most misinformed and deluded person on the internet.
You've got to have a huge safety net to be eating this way. Me I've got two dead parents from stroke. No way Im going bankrupt trying to pay back hospital. This way of eating highly subsidized. Just shows what Billion Dollar Industries want you to eat in order to keep their pockets flush with cash.
The woman is like a flat earther. We REALLY need to do a better educating people about science.
If he's board certified he's gotta be right! 🤣
if Mic waves some BS studies in your face & calls it a day, he's gotta be right! 🙄
@@DanteLikesRock I'll take it over zero studies or studies that contradict the claims they are used to make.
@@Sovvyy Looks like you're putting too much faith in these rubbish "studies". They're not science at all. They're epidemiology (bad quality epidemiology too). Pseudo-science of the highest order.
Real science is performed under controlled conditions over an extended period of time. This has NEVER been done on humans as related to diet and health outcomes. Never.
Plus, Bart Kay has debunked Mic here countless times.
@@DanteLikesRock Studies can be flawed but I'll take them over a blind appeal to authority.
Certifiably so .
If vegans cared as much for human life as they did for animals the world would be a better place
And if carnists care about each other as much as they care for the animals 😂?
believe it or not some people I know actually became plant based for the environment
They’ve got no kids nor grandkids so they’re doing it coz they’re worried about the state of our environment not because they’d be around to face it but for the sake of other people’s kids and grandkids
I think someone is getting paid to not tell the truth.
yes, all the scientists in the studies Mic uses.
Whilst the vegans and carnivores fight amongst themselves, il be eating steak and veggies 😉
Mic, what about doing a video on the 2021 Harvard carnivore diet study titled "Behavioral Characteristics and Self-Reported Health Status among 2029 Adults Consuming a “Carnivore Diet”?
Bro there's like 1 carnivore cardiologist 😂😂😂
It's always the case with quack science, they find the one scientist/doctor in a million that go their way and ignore the 99.999% scientists/doctors that say otherwise.
Translation: He gets all the industry perks of selling his soul
.....but the carnivores are pissed at the idea of eating bugs, slugs, and grubs because of Klaus Schwab. You can't make this stuff up.
The animals eat bugs and we eat the animals so meat eaters are eating bugs and getting veggies too.
@@videoartsproductions1 Not sure where you're sourcing your data from but humans across the globe have consumed a whole host of terrestrial and aquatic invertebrates for thousands of years. None of this is news.
They'll eat each other before they'll eat the food God gave us .
@@alanwhitham4 The Carnivore Diet......a slippery slope to cannibalism. Neanderthals ate each other often so this isn't a leap.
@@presterjohn1697 Who knows ? Zombie Apocalypse .
How did people survive in past centuries when fruits and vegetables were not available in many parts of the world for much of the year?
Not only that but how were these people healthy enough to reproduce and raise healthy children that went on to have their own healthy children? It's a huge mystery!
OR... It's because red meat already contains everything we need to survive and thrive.
@@jeffslim9518 I guess common sense is not common anymore.😉
@@janedough6575 IYKYK 😉
People made preserves for a long time. And they were not very healthy.
Thank you for sharing. I am a longtime vegan. However, if you told me 25 years ago that
any human could survive JUST eating animal stuff, not having any fiber, only going poop
2-3 times a week (or less), I would not have believed it. I believe some survive it because they
eat less (like twice a day) , intermittent fast, or simply really really really love beef and butter.
“However, if you told me 25 years ago that
any human could survive JUST eating animal stuff, not having any fiber”….um yes because that’s literally how humans ate since the start of time? I’m no carnivore but this is common knowledge. 😂Also you only need fiber only to carry out the bad crap you put in your body. If you eat good stuff like a good ol steak your body absorbs all the nutrients.
@@Thaddeus-ml8if Then why do we find ancient human poop filled with fibers? What was found in Otzi the icemans stomach?
@@letransformateur6477 Ancient humans didn’t need vegetables to live and they certainly weren’t no damn vegetarian. Humans ate meat only that’s what allowed the brain to grow. Agriculture came much later. Your body can’t absorb most of the nutrients from vegetables anyway.
@@Thaddeus-ml8ifThe earliest of "modern" humans and jewish-christians, essenes, ebionites were all vegetarians. They did not eat cadavers. These were around the time of Yeshua, who was vegetarian. Animal flesh and blood rots and putrefies in the human body, causing a myriad of offensive odors like ammonia, sulfur, cadaverine, putrescine, skatole, and others. These odors make all human body fluids, stink. Sadly, not appealing to lovers. In addition, colon cancer is directly linked with flesh and blood eating, as it often forms a nasty cement in the human colon. Fiber is a major preventive for colon cancer, so you need a lot more than "just enough" to crap 2-3 times a week. Here is some more info:
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@@letransformateur6477 they're not old enough. You need to go way back to hundreds of thousands of years to before the agricultural revolution.
The carnivore diet seems to be the familial hypercholesterolemia simulator.
people with hypercholesterolemia live perfectly normal, healthy lives. Next.
There's sadly "gurus" out there now to tell people what they want to hear, on just about any subject. Shawn Baker (aka Shawn Faker) would be proud of the mental gymnastics and self-justification of this lady and her doctor, on her diet.
Shaun faker lmao is that really an insult hahaha what are you 8 yrs old
@@justingallant8558 unfortunately, more an accurate description, and less the insult - and not coined by me. Baker has ignored any robust science that disagrees with his message and brands, and tells people what they want to hear.
That makes him a fake alright.
so ironic coming from someone listening to Mic. LOL.
@@DanteLikesRock another troll then I see.
As we were.
@@JohnDoe-xk1dv it's ironic because here you are eating up Mic's propaganda. He has been destroyed and debunked countless times already by professor Bart Kay.
Thank you Mic for the discount on Fit Track. I need a new scale and I'm thrilled to get this one with all the extra abilities!! Just ordered!
I was surprised to see it's available in Europe too. I'll probably get one soon.
I'm not gonna change the minds of most here, but for the few questioning why, for example Bella is glowing and radiant and Mic here looks like most long term vegans, then go check out Prof. Bart Kay's take down of this vid. You want long term health, don't follow people who look like, well you know.
Oh honey, you're so naive. TH-cam creators are pumped with so much filler and Botox and, of course, good genetics along with good filters. I'm sorry you fell for it though
@@jassy0903 Ha ha, hilarious. Check out (non practising) Dr Gregor, Dr Dougle RIP etc. The long term vegans look like 💩 Don't think fillers come in to it, honey.
Throughout most of human history it’s been almost impossible to maintain a strict carnivore diet and those who came close needed to do a tremendous amount of work to capture kill and process their hunts. I am interested to see what the life time effects are of living the modern grocery store meat diet.
Try the same on a vegan diet…only food grown locally without going to the grocery store.
@@tconcotelli Exactly. Pure vegan and pure carnivore diet are modern extremes. We can do it only because we have super easy (in developed parts of planet) access to almost any food so we can have such a diet. A person living in a place with mild warm climate can be "natural local vegan" however someone living in the nothern canada can naturally hardly survive without eating meat and killing animals in winter.
22 sets of twins tried both vegan and meat diets. Researchers at Stanford University studied the twins' cardiovascular health. After eight weeks following their respective diets, the twin siblings who ate a vegan diet had lost more weight, reduced their LDL, or "bad" cholesterol, and experienced lower insulin levels, according to the study's findings. "The findings from this trial suggest that a healthy plant-based diet offers a significant protective cardiometabolic advantage compared with a healthy omnivorous diet," the study's authors wrote. The study, published Nov. 30 in the journal JAMA Network Open.
The Triglycerides/HDL-C ratio is a risk marker for Metabolic Syndrome and Cardiovascular Disease, and a ratio greater than 2.5 is an independent predictor of long-term all-cause mortality. A ratio less than 1.0 is considered ideal. The Steak and Butter Gal has a Triglycerides/HDL-C ratio of 0.15. Try addressing that.
@@kegeshook1734 I will not try to address the anecdotal case you presented. It does not have much scientific weight because it is not a peer reviewed randomized study. I can tell you all kinds of curious case histories, but they don't hold true when scrutinized by the scientific method.
@@kegeshook1734 UK BIOBANK STUDY: Looked at 300 people following a low carbohydrate (keto) diet and compared them to 1200 people on a standard diet. It concluded that the risk of having a heart attack, peripheral artery disease, and stroke was double that of those following the standard diet. Other things to note on a keto diet include: high cholesterol, constipation, and a smelly breath.
@@georgewilson7808 Anecdotal case? I never presented it. Mic the Vegan did. From what I've seen, low Trig/HDL-C ratio is common for those on carnivore and Keto diets.
@@georgewilson7808 I'd have to see the particular UK BIOBANK STUDY before offering any comment on it.
High total cholesterol is not a bad thing when high HDL-C is part of that total, in conjunction with low level of triglycerides. High level of LDL-C is not necessarily bad. Constipation is not a complaint of those on carnivore and keto. Smelly breath is only a problem in the first week or so of being in ketosis. Keto breath is not permanent. Pretend Herbivores have long lasting issues of emanating bad smells.
I don’t get the triglycerides!!! Can anyone explain? Please. Thank you.
you don't want them high. carbs increase them. therefore the logical next step is to stop consuming carbs.
@@MB10097 ahhh that makes more sense! Thank you for explaining!
I remember an article in JAMA that listed the main risk factors for heart disease. Number one is type 2 diabetes, followed by hypertension and obesity. Cholesterol levels were only a minor factor.
ApoB, the number of atherogenic particles which includes LDL, are directly causal to plaques and heart disease.
@@ladagspa2008wrong. Watch professor Bart Kay debunk Mic..
Her LDL is frighteningly high
Carnivore Diet as presented over the past 5 years is a industry sponsored psy-op. The people who push it are either complicit (or) dumb as hell.
It doesn't matter if you are carnivore .😂
Triglycerides are amazing, though.
so what.
your lack of critical thinking is frighteningly high.
I strongly dislike applications which take your personal data and send it to the cloud. The functionality else might be interesting, but that's a no-go.
Will you feel perfect on a vegan diet 100% of the time? Ofc not. There are other issues like exercise, stress and/or your social environment but overall I feel 100% better on a wfpbd (100% vegan) than I ever did on any other diet which is good enough for me :)
All I ever got from the carnivore diet was constipation. BTW, the MIC code was good for $17.99 off. That doesn’t sound like 50% of $89.95.
wow. you're finally starting to see the red flags of Mic here! don't worry, once you see professor Bart Kay completely debunk him, you won't be able to unsee it.
@@DanteLikesRock you really skipped the part where he admitted to be constipated on a carnivore diet?
@@bazileia9222 where is this? I have only seen him say he has perfect bowel movements despite the lack of fiber.
@@DanteLikesRock do you have a reading issue or something besides being functional illiterate?
OP literally starts this thread by saying that:" all I ever got from the carnivore diet was constipation"
@@bazileia9222 that n=1 means nothing. He probably wasn't eating enough fat. Low fat carnivore is not recommended.