I cannot tell you how detrimental it is switching from stream to stream only to be met by 30 second adds every time, it totally kills the mood for me and has actively kept me outta twitch
Yep same here. I cant fucking stand it. I wonder when companies will realize that interrupting the content I want to watch has a 99% chance of guaranteeing I dont consume said product,
Honestly, with how Twitch is cracking down on AdBlockers, and increasing ads in general on the site, I think they genuinely should start fearing the other platforms. They are no longer the best viewer experience
The first nail in the coffin of Twitch's demise was removing watching ads for bits. I supported so many streamers that way when I was young and had no money of my own.
@@Victor_Graves Because people wouldn't actually watch the ads then, just let them play while they do something else. So the people paying for their ads to be shown would stop paying because their products aren't actually getting to viewers. Bad for Twitch maybe?
Lets not forget about twitch’s obvious favorites game as well. Pyrocynical had more than needed to be a partner for over a year and was given no answer to why he wasn’t given partner (other than non organic viewers) and then had everything taken away when he asked a company to represent him for affiliate. Twitch literally forced him to go to youtube
@@axelander03 it means twitch were claiming that most of his views were coming from competing platforms, ala youtube. Which ludwig admits in an interview is how most twitch streamers get their audience anyway. It was an bs answer given as a way to not deem him worthy for affiliate
Pyrocynical is a PR nightmare that Twitch doesn't feel comfortable touching. It's the same concept as when a law school does a cold offer, they won't outright ban him but they also aren't willing to take on the risk that comes with paying him. As is he's used and bad product, just a leftover from the 2016 alt-right pipeline.
TH-cam has been really upping their game recently. Multiple uploads at once, editing already published videos, audio dubs... That and all the new streaming stuff is really exciting. Props to them for actually making good changes
"We believe engaging with two streams at once can lead to a sub-optimal experience for your community." Based on what? Lmao why not let the streamer decide that lol. Twitch are the goats of acting like they know what's best for others while exclusively acting in self interest.
Conveniently, desktop CPM is almost _always_ higher than mobile. Any enterprise ad server can target on user agent string. I’d guess that a ton of advertising contracts on Twitch have a kicker that says “Exclusive impressions based on Males 18-35, this earning bracket, on desktop.” Why else do you think you get Intel ads first in midroll pod on your gaming PC. This one isn’t sly at all, Twitch. Lol.
It's actually terrifying how absolutely correct that article was, not only in predicting the drop of the Exclusivity Mandate, but also the pay cuts that were literally announced only a few days ago at the time of writing. Both points were predicted PERFECTLY.
I'd argue that the main reason streaming has grown so much on TH-cam is the fact that both you (and now many other former Twitch streamers) and most popular VTubers (especially the ones tied to an agency) are streaming here.
I never used to watch livestreams because I was never just browsing on twitch. Ludwig's move to YT means that if I'm already watching videos, it'll pop up as a notification or on the sidebar. Also, now that I'm used to youtube livestreams, using twitch's UI is... beyond garbage. I never watched twitch livestreams because if I missed even a single word that was said, it's gone forever (unless you go through the hell that is the twitch "live" VOD). There's so many times I've given up trying to watch a twitch stream and leave to watch anything else on youtube hoping that the stream will become a shortened video in the future. Oh, and with ludwig's extension, youtube has the best player *and* chat.
Ludwig's Truffle browser extension is a godsent for everyone who switched from Twitch to TH-cam Gaming 👍 There was a time when people say Twitch's chat is better than TH-cam's, well not anymore. 😎
Funny, I asked to be unpartnered a month before my contract was up. I’ve now been waiting over 3 months for them to do it even though they’re aware of the request. ALSO, Ludwig added a bit of confusion on the topic of partner split. They haven’t been giving 70% splits for partners for over a year. You can only acquire that through an org right now.
Man this is a seriously good channel here lately. Quick news with a good bit of insight in stuff I legitimately didn't know. Like these tell me stuff that you know and have insight in.
Tiktok, Reels, and Shorts is the environment where the newschool creators like Speed and Andrew Tate (pre de-platforming) blew up with the sheer level of virality they've achieved
Gotta say, without being a live stream warcher myself, that speed did get viral before or to say it better already got famous through streams. But yeah, shorts did elevate/resurfaced the hype again
I've been seeing Shorts with millions of views from content creators i already watch, while the original video has like 20k. Shorts are absolutely insane at gathering views
@@Sapreme Cant remember who did the video on it, but someone was interviewing mr. Beasts manager and they talked about how tiktok and shorts get hella views, but their conversion into subs/members/name recognition is abismal. you go through it so fast that creators dont get rooted in your mind.
@@D1nomite1 that was probably the Colin&Samir podcast, although he was talking about tiktokkers in general. Dunno what the conversion rate is like with livestreams on tiktok
@@awijaya2116 I have no data to back this up, but I cannot fathom a world in which TikTok to TH-cam conversion is worse than TikTok to Twitch conversion.
As an aspiring content creator/streamer I have been tossing and turning night after night because I didn't know whether to prioritize Tik Tok or YT, but this video provided so much clarity. Thank you Mr. wiggy.
my biggest fear is that this race will end with twitch dying. I think TH-cam capitalizing on it's sheer size and money will outgrow twitch. If that happens outube get's a monopoly and is no longer incentivized to improve as much as it is -which might be worse for creators in the long run
Getting a TikTok stream key has been one of the best thing to ever happen to all platforms I’m on. It’s been insane seeing everything go up day by day.
I agree with and I want to give my POV on a couple of things; as a small content creator I can 100% say that TikTok is the way to grow in 2022. My tiktoks get 10s of thousands of views a day, and my following on that platform is almost 5x what it is here on TH-cam. Its the best tool for exposure bar none. I also think part of why TikTok has such a high conversion rate from video to live stream is that TikTok tells the user whether the creator of the video is live while they are watching the video. So lets say you see Halites video- around his profile icon will be a bright red circle and it will also say LIVE. This makes it super easy for viewers to find the live stream because its literally one click away.
Honest question. If Twitch doesn't allow simulcasting with TH-cam still if you're a partner. Then how has Critical Role been able to get around it for months? They've been simulcasting their broadcasts weekly for a long time. As a casual viewer I didn't realize the rules were so strict because of that
They have a special deal worked out. Back when they were under geek and sundry in the early days they had this as well and when they first relaunched as a separate company they lost that. And eventually when they were able to get that deal on their own. It seems like companies have more negotiating power than individuals. CR isn't they only one who has this deal.
When you're literally #1 and pull millions of dollars through Twitch alone AND you're a company that could lose Twitch hundreds of thousands of regular viewers overnight by leaving them, you have leverage in your negotiations
One word: Leverage. Critical Role is in the position to demand their own custom Twitch contract because they are Critical Role, the #1 channel on Twitch.
This was kind of surprising, I think people being able to stream on other websites is a bad thing for twitch, of you like YT better, you will change websites eventually, and if you like twitch better nothing will change
They probably allowed that intentionally. By that, I mean if you have a job that is incredibly well payed with relatively low amount of work hours, you wont go doing another job afterwards, which is essentially the case for major creators that are offered partnership. I dont know if Twitch offers partnership to less popular streamers, but if they do, those streamers would be better off growing their audience by streaming exclusively on Twitch that has developed a working discoverability alghorithm for smaller streamers, compared to TH-cam which only favours big streamers.
My issue is that I don't use twitch, I grew up on TH-cam and remember when TH-cam didn't have any ads. But I can cope with 5 second unskippable ad. The twitch vod system is absolute garbage and the fact if I'm flicking around I have to watch the same ad every freaking time just makes me turn off
Same here. I grew up on youtube and I remember seeing those rectangular ads near at the progess bar of a vid, so if there's some youtuber streaming on twitch, I ain't going there. I'm staying on youtube.
Ludwig’s so right about the new school way of growing i been making a content here and there for almost a year but i recently started putting more effort into tik tok/yt shorts with consistent posting and now i randomly pop off with videos getting 1k+ views (huge for me) im super interested on where it’ll go from here
I agree with everything in this video. Tiktok is just bad at giving out stream keys in 2022 unless you get them from a third party. Once you have that the strategic maneuvering can begin
I feel like the reason they’re doing this is to keep big streamers from leaving the platform, but I don’t see why theyd do this instead of valuing their popular streamers higher
this is a dumb take. they value their popular streamers way too high already, paying them several millions for exclusivity. big streamers are leaving not because twitch doesnt value them, but because they can see that twitch is a sinking ship and its A LOT better for your community to switch sooner rather than later. its the 'middle class' of streamers that twitch doesnt care about, the ones that dont have internal connections and the ones who can no longer grow because every time someone new clicks on their stream they get a 30 second ad. nobody has an issue with watching twitch for pokimane because you know exactly what youre getting. trying to find someone new to watch though is a pain in the ass, not to mention the several other partner related problems twitch has been having in years now.
@@_holy__ghost Idk why you are trying to be so rude about it lmao. Rae and Sykkuno did the same thing. Id argue that switching to youtube is worse experience for the community than twitch anyway, shown by the need for the truffle extention
I absolutely love these vids. I'm a standard 9-5 worker, so I don't have enough time to be present for the drama, but oh boy does internet drama get my bones jostling. Two steps and I sound like a xylophone solo after watching one of these vids. Thank you mister lumbwhisk!
I don't like how youtube is basically a monopoly on all long form video content already, and it'd be even scarier if they also conquered the streaming space, but I have to admit that right now, I believe for the viewers youtube is already on par with twitch, and on track to become better, whilst twitch is and has been on a decline for a while now.
As a purplecliffe viewer. He was shocked to see the amount of viewers. And TH-camrs streaming on twitch and TH-cam is a good play depending on what you want.
ngl, the fact that tik tok is full of short videos, ez to go to another video, and with random chance of getting good contents, really build people's addiction to it, it is genius
i personally don't think that simul-streaming is always the best thing to do. if you're a streamer that's more community based and rely on audience interaction it can create a huge split between your community being on separated platforms with their own "chat cultures". mileage will also vary vastly depending on the type of content you make, but i've always preferred twitch as a livestreaming platform in comparison to youtube (and i actually have issues loading youtube livestreams, so there's that too lol)
this is why i don’t really go on twitch now. if i really wanna watch a stream i go on the vods in youtube channels. cant just browse comfortable anymore
"We believe engaging with two streams open at once can lead to a sub-optimal experience for your community" Joe Hills simulcasts on Twitch, TH-cam, and his Discord as both streamer and his own and only moderator most nights of the week AND he puts on a fantastic show for his three communities, with well behaved chats (except for the TH-cam botting) so clearly that's not a great defense against simulcasting. He's not partnered or affiliated with Twitch so that he can do this, which I think is fantastic personally.
honestly although im still not much of a fan of tiktok its really sick that theres a platform where its much "easier" to get your shot at being a content creator. its just a really nice way to get that extra boost that can genuinely be that difference that can make it for you
I was thinking this for a while, cause TH-cam has the best monetization, and is amazing for long term growth (atm, maybe the possible recession may change things) so why wouldn’t content creators view social media as a top funnel, use shorts, tik tok, and reels to promote their content (mass appeal) and the converted that go into TH-cam increase the watch time, and if your videos are good enough it’ll increase the AVD/AVP, which helps the algorithm and in general helps the main goal grow stronger
@@Pharoah2 to be fair, back then the algorithm wasn’t as known, and creators now understand and have adapted to the social media environment better now then they did back then
I wish so badly that twitch would turn all the clips on their platform into some kind of short form experience where we can flip through watch them, upvote them, etc
TH-cam streaming might be a worthy successor to twitch, if twitch can't come back from their current mistakes. As long as youtube improves their recommendation system, they can grow much more than they already are.
I've noticed that the algorithm picks a vid to boost when you're live as well. Idk if it's random or if there's criteria you have to meet to have this happen. But so often I go to click through to someone's profile or even just follow them and I misclick and they're live so I accidentally go to their stream.
Well that makes sense actually. I'm mostly a youtube user, i used to watch streams on twitch because my fav streamers are on twitch, but now they move to youtube and i no longer use twitch. Instead i'm exploring other streamers on youtube that i enjoy watching
The ads and the subpar playback is why I'm not on twitch 24/7 I like the chatting aspects and sometimes I like to view the chat alongside the stream, but it feels like a chore watching VODS on twitch sometimes. Twitch has better viewer engagement aspects but they need a bit of an overhaul with the actual watching part of it.
Imagine if Twitch starts a Tiktok-like / TH-cam Shorts feed with Twitch clips for creators, the same way you watch clips from reddits like LSF? That would be so good for discoverability for creators. But knowing Twitch and how lazy they are, they probably wouldn't do this
@@godlyvex5543 people's actions speak for themselves. And the big social media companies are paying attention to the actions of people, rather than their words, which may not always match their actions.
@@youngrootv Just because it's a great business move doesn't mean everybody should be happy about it. "great business moves" is how we get things like adobe being a subscription service, star wars battlefront 2 being filled with microtransactions, and the government being lobbied to keep things favorable for the corporations.
Lud dont know if your reading this but I love the recent spike in mogul mail videos. I find it alot more enjoyable watching some more calmer videos instead of you screaming at geogussr for example, which i get why you do but still, love this content please keep it up!
Pointcrow kinda a coincidence because he’s my anecdote. I watch his vids, they’re great, and I’ve watched his streams sometimes. I definitely think I would watch his streams more if they’re on TH-cam, maybe for convenience sake. Whatever he does is good as long as he keeps up the great content.
TH-cam Live has infinite time to grow, they have the most poweful backer that is TH-cam and Google that is willing to support them fully. But Twitch is reliant on Amazon heavily if one day they pull out prime twitch immediately loses the biggest benefit it had the golden pot of gold waiting for creators to collect. All they would have is culture and their current streamers to support the viewership, and with the golden pot gone there is less incentives for streamers to go to twitch leading more streamers starting in youtube.
Idk of its just the TH-cam community overall but twitch will always be better for me the community’s are just 100 times more fleshed out and unique on twitch TH-cam feels like a live comment section (if you get what I mean)
Yeah but I'd say ludwig in a more specific case Is definitely pushing that boundary with the extension and such but overall every stream does feel like a comment section for sure
TH-cam is by far the most likely platform to just become the internet. The community tab could be as good as Twitter and Instagram if they focused on it and improved it a lot. Shorts could obviously be just as good as TikTok. Streaming could be Twitch. In 10 years, I wouldn’t be surprised if TH-cam practically embodies the whole of social media.
@@Rerbun I think it was there when youtube was at its "golden age", like when it still has that youtube logo with the "tube" being in a red box. Maybe I'm wrong tho
@@ArjunTheRageGuy you're right, there was a time where you had some sort of "e-mail" service inside TH-cam, but since they got rid of it I don't see it coming back anytime soon
Well I tried streaming on twitch for a bit but when I learned what partner means I switched over to TH-cam. TH-cam has a lot of issues still though. The system treats live streams as regular videos and it's a bit more complicated than twitch, changing the title mid stream or the category is not the same as Twitch, also the live page on TH-cam only promotes tv channels and other people YT has a contract with like DrDisrespect. But my biggest issue is that there are no community features like emojis and points and things like that. I had to set up a chatbot for that, it's half working and it's complicated for the viewers.
@@OpreanVictor my channel is tiny so I am not sure about that. You need over 1000subs to be eligible to monetize your TH-cam channel and have members and superchats, In comparison I think twitch requires 100 follows for that which is way easier to achieve.
@@erv192 Because twitch wont let you post your own content anywhere else for 24 hours after you made it there. Also twitch takes 50% from all the bits and subs from you channel while youtube takes 30%, Also the payment streamers receive from twitch adds isnt very clear but from what ive heard the streamer makes alsmot no money from the adds that twitch constantly spams at you. The biggest one for me was that "discoverability" on twitch is non existent, you have to make YT videos and shorts or TikToks and convince people from other platforms to sub on your twitch. so i thought, if i have to make youtube shorts to be discovered why transfer people that sub on me here on youtube over to twitch, only for twitch to get 50% and own my videos for 24hrs ? so yeah even if youtube is not there yet i think that it will get there eventually.
The only change from what I understood was you could now stream simultaneously to a few platforms like TikTok and Instagram. You could always end your stream and start it fresh on TH-cam or Facebook (unless your contract specifically stated otherwise), but the content you made on Twitch was exclusive for 24 hours.
Since Lud moved to YT, I’ve watched most of his streams. The accessibility, the ease is just easier. I don’t chat so I’m not worried about that. Whereas when people are on twitch, unless, I watch a yt video about them being live, I don’t watch.
Choosing where to put/create content is important. One person in our group, Master Rayvax, streams high multiplayer games on Twitch. I think it's mostly because you can have the members of the audience be much more invested in your streams when they are able to play along. He's streamed Yugioh Master Duel, Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, Risk of Rain 2, Rocket League, etc
they also broke tags recently. Can't find english streams as easily anymore cuz a lot of them default to no tags now rather than automatically putting your language as a tag. Couple years ago they broke the search bar making it pretty much useless. Shows 2 channels that don't really fit the search and then a sea of channel names similar to the search. The search bar sometimes refuses to show channels that I typed in specifically, insisting it doesn't exist so I have to write it in the url instead. Its like they're trying to push people away cuz their search bar used to work perfectly and tags were fine too.
People that are partnered with twitch were not allowed to stream on anything except for twitch. However now they are allowing their partners to stream on TH-cam as well but just not at the same time.
Absolutely. TH-cam's ads are just soooo much better. After watching just a few streams on youtube twitch streams became almost unbearable to watch. Preroll ads, unskippable ads, 7 to 8 ads in a row. Fuck that. If a content creator was streaming on both im choosing the youtube stream 100% of the time. And if amazon ever stops the twitch prime program twitch is definitely dead.
Ludwig I 100% agree. This twitch streamer I recently started watching is crazy with his TikToks, he consistently has 250 views, and they frequently comment stuff like “I love you TikTok’s” or “Hi from TikTok”. It’s crazy how you can grow from a little TikTok spam.
I 100% agree with the reels. My instagram reels get 10k views easily, now its very hard to convert those views into followers and stream views unless you have a lot of good reels they can bench watch. So focus on short digestable videos but also great long videos they can watch somewhere else
I was watching a random stream and had 9 adds play. I know that at least 3 of the adds were more than 15 seconds. Also, getting tired of paying for a Sub and Twitch mistakenly bans someone for 3-4 days.
Even if multi casting is still forbidden, exclusivity can matter a lot for select people . One example is SimpleFlips, who had signed a facebook contract. Apart from his required Facebook hours, he would livestream on youtube. As far as I'm aware, that was because of twitch partner exclusivity. He switched back to twitch after his facebook ran out and got partner status back, though it took quite some months. Fun fact: He didn't link to his facebook stream from his youtube channel and rarely/never even mentioned them, because he didn't want to put his youtube viewers through watching facebook livestreams.
I'm thinking this was partially caused by the influx of East and SE Asian streamers this year, caused by YT's horrible stability issues since December and all the random bans. Many big streamers in the region made Twitch accounts as a safety net, but since YT is still their main base, they declined the partner program. This would allow Twitch to actually sign them, since outside of a few TW streamers, none of them were simulcasting anyway, just alternating streaming on YT and Twitch.
I used to not get ads on Twitch just because the region I'm in used to have very few ads in general for years. But now I get so many ads on Twitch and almost every time I switch streams which I do often especially if there's an event or tournament. So I genuinely don't understand how so many people could stand watching Twitch while having these ads all this time
I cannot tell you how detrimental it is switching from stream to stream only to be met by 30 second adds every time, it totally kills the mood for me and has actively kept me outta twitch
Same here its annoying af like i kinda get why they do it but cmon
Twitch turbo. No ads on any streams
Yep same here. I cant fucking stand it. I wonder when companies will realize that interrupting the content I want to watch has a 99% chance of guaranteeing I dont consume said product,
@@lukebyrge3047 nobody wants to pay for that shit tho
@@lukebyrge3047 tru but not everyone wants to/can afford to pay for it
Honestly, with how Twitch is cracking down on AdBlockers, and increasing ads in general on the site, I think they genuinely should start fearing the other platforms. They are no longer the best viewer experience
It’s been a while since they were the best
It took me way too long to find a working ad block.
They run ads during the worst times too
the chat experience is the only good thing about twitch lol
@@rfunder12 what's a good add block mine hasn't worked in about a year. I don't even watch twitch anymore because of it.
The first nail in the coffin of Twitch's demise was removing watching ads for bits. I supported so many streamers that way when I was young and had no money of my own.
How long ago was this?
I agree 100%. I used to watch a lot of ads for bits and I was fine with it. Now we have to watch ads for nothing. Smh.
Yo, what? That's such a good move... why the fuck would they shit on that?
@@Victor_Graves Because people wouldn't actually watch the ads then, just let them play while they do something else. So the people paying for their ads to be shown would stop paying because their products aren't actually getting to viewers. Bad for Twitch maybe?
Damn. That sounds like it was a great idea :o
Glad that having solid competition in the space is starting to elevate our favorite streaming platforms.
Its not competition, its just another site swooping in and doing the bare minimum twitch refused to do and winning
Favorite? Na, ads on twitch ruin the experience, if it was a ad when you enter and a ad when the stream ends it wouldn't be that bad homestly.
Plz go watch myth stream viewer you well laugh
@@cowboyslime3615 ah yes, also known by those in the industry as 'competition'
@@von... i mean it technically qualifies as a competition, but its just twitch getting assf*cked by youtube
I feel like aspiring content creators/streamers would learn more from this 8 min video then people who did that ninja streaming course
what do you mean? just play a role in a big hollywood movie
@@FaiI4Ever 😂 of course so simple yet genius 🤔
yeah
I don’t know, lud didn’t even mention dying your hair blue…
Blue hair
TH-cam has essentially become the netflix to twitch's cable network.
They both suck but TH-cam is better at the moment?
TH-cam is still a mess in it’s own right though with how little the community’s voice is heard short of literally begging for change on twitter
@@speauks_4667 A mess, yeah, but a smaller mess than twitch right now.
@@KarateLauren watch "why I'm suing youtube" and then say that it's a smaller mess again
@@speauks_4667 give it time, Rome wasn't built in a day
Lets not forget about twitch’s obvious favorites game as well. Pyrocynical had more than needed to be a partner for over a year and was given no answer to why he wasn’t given partner (other than non organic viewers) and then had everything taken away when he asked a company to represent him for affiliate. Twitch literally forced him to go to youtube
what do you mean non organic viewers?
Bots I think?
@@axelander03 it means twitch were claiming that most of his views were coming from competing platforms, ala youtube. Which ludwig admits in an interview is how most twitch streamers get their audience anyway. It was an bs answer given as a way to not deem him worthy for affiliate
@@axelander03 viewers didnt come from people looking on twitch they came from elsewhere (youtube in this case)
Pyrocynical is a PR nightmare that Twitch doesn't feel comfortable touching. It's the same concept as when a law school does a cold offer, they won't outright ban him but they also aren't willing to take on the risk that comes with paying him. As is he's used and bad product, just a leftover from the 2016 alt-right pipeline.
TH-cam has been really upping their game recently. Multiple uploads at once, editing already published videos, audio dubs...
That and all the new streaming stuff is really exciting. Props to them for actually making good changes
Are we seeing the same TH-cam?
TH-cam gets a bad rep (deserved) but like truth be told, that's only their business side for the most part. Video wise TH-cam does great.
Yea youtube has indeed upped their game in the last couple of years
78 comments 50 of them are bots, hell yeah stepping their game up hard
@im calling saul this bot deadass named “im callin saul” 💀
"We believe engaging with two streams at once can lead to a sub-optimal experience for your community."
Based on what? Lmao why not let the streamer decide that lol. Twitch are the goats of acting like they know what's best for others while exclusively acting in self interest.
that should be up to the streamer and the community lol not the platform.
strawman fallacy lol
every tech company evet
Conveniently, desktop CPM is almost _always_ higher than mobile. Any enterprise ad server can target on user agent string. I’d guess that a ton of advertising contracts on Twitch have a kicker that says “Exclusive impressions based on Males 18-35, this earning bracket, on desktop.” Why else do you think you get Intel ads first in midroll pod on your gaming PC.
This one isn’t sly at all, Twitch. Lol.
Plz go watch myth stream viewer you well laugh
It's actually terrifying how absolutely correct that article was, not only in predicting the drop of the Exclusivity Mandate, but also the pay cuts that were literally announced only a few days ago at the time of writing.
Both points were predicted PERFECTLY.
I'd argue that the main reason streaming has grown so much on TH-cam is the fact that both you (and now many other former Twitch streamers) and most popular VTubers (especially the ones tied to an agency) are streaming here.
I never used to watch livestreams because I was never just browsing on twitch. Ludwig's move to YT means that if I'm already watching videos, it'll pop up as a notification or on the sidebar.
Also, now that I'm used to youtube livestreams, using twitch's UI is... beyond garbage. I never watched twitch livestreams because if I missed even a single word that was said, it's gone forever (unless you go through the hell that is the twitch "live" VOD). There's so many times I've given up trying to watch a twitch stream and leave to watch anything else on youtube hoping that the stream will become a shortened video in the future.
Oh, and with ludwig's extension, youtube has the best player *and* chat.
@@leximoding whats the extension?
Ludwig's Truffle browser extension is a godsent for everyone who switched from Twitch to TH-cam Gaming 👍
There was a time when people say Twitch's chat is better than TH-cam's, well not anymore. 😎
Funny, I asked to be unpartnered a month before my contract was up. I’ve now been waiting over 3 months for them to do it even though they’re aware of the request.
ALSO, Ludwig added a bit of confusion on the topic of partner split. They haven’t been giving 70% splits for partners for over a year. You can only acquire that through an org right now.
That’s an L Mr. Expel
@@jaceclark794 yeah. That’s what I’m saying. TH-cam for the win.
That is not true. You're 100% wrong, they have been giving out 70% splits this year. 100% wrong intel.
Man this is a seriously good channel here lately. Quick news with a good bit of insight in stuff I legitimately didn't know. Like these tell me stuff that you know and have insight in.
Yes definitely, he gets straight to the point which i approve. Ur comment explains perfectly.
lmao his TBYS vid was terrible
Tiktok, Reels, and Shorts is the environment where the newschool creators like Speed and Andrew Tate (pre de-platforming) blew up with the sheer level of virality they've achieved
Gotta say, without being a live stream warcher myself, that speed did get viral before or to say it better already got famous through streams.
But yeah, shorts did elevate/resurfaced the hype again
I've been seeing Shorts with millions of views from content creators i already watch, while the original video has like 20k.
Shorts are absolutely insane at gathering views
@@Sapreme Cant remember who did the video on it, but someone was interviewing mr. Beasts manager and they talked about how tiktok and shorts get hella views, but their conversion into subs/members/name recognition is abismal. you go through it so fast that creators dont get rooted in your mind.
@@D1nomite1 that was probably the Colin&Samir podcast, although he was talking about tiktokkers in general. Dunno what the conversion rate is like with livestreams on tiktok
@@awijaya2116 I have no data to back this up, but I cannot fathom a world in which TikTok to TH-cam conversion is worse than TikTok to Twitch conversion.
Imagine the horror of only one streaming plattform. Yt would squeeze the fun out in no time.
It’s a good night
Good night.
@griffy ludwig turns into a potato wedge
Please stop giving me mean comments. My mother reads the comments I get and she cries a lot because of it. Please be nice, dear rj
The bot is confused, never knew "good night" was so offensive
NO ONE CAN STOP THE A TRAIN
As an aspiring content creator/streamer I have been tossing and turning night after night because I didn't know whether to prioritize Tik Tok or YT, but this video provided so much clarity. Thank you Mr. wiggy.
my biggest fear is that this race will end with twitch dying. I think TH-cam capitalizing on it's sheer size and money will outgrow twitch. If that happens outube get's a monopoly and is no longer incentivized to improve as much as it is -which might be worse for creators in the long run
Getting over it with Bennet Foddy is the most brutal form of torture
Getting a TikTok stream key has been one of the best thing to ever happen to all platforms I’m on. It’s been insane seeing everything go up day by day.
With Twitch, it's like watching something you once vaguely knew become something much more relevant and unstable.
Cant wait for your "i secretly got 1 million subscribers using tik tok/youtube shorts" vid
I feel like this is good for TH-camrs who stream on twitch because now they can reach their full audience
That's not necessarily true
I agree with and I want to give my POV on a couple of things; as a small content creator I can 100% say that TikTok is the way to grow in 2022. My tiktoks get 10s of thousands of views a day, and my following on that platform is almost 5x what it is here on TH-cam. Its the best tool for exposure bar none.
I also think part of why TikTok has such a high conversion rate from video to live stream is that TikTok tells the user whether the creator of the video is live while they are watching the video. So lets say you see Halites video- around his profile icon will be a bright red circle and it will also say LIVE. This makes it super easy for viewers to find the live stream because its literally one click away.
Honest question. If Twitch doesn't allow simulcasting with TH-cam still if you're a partner. Then how has Critical Role been able to get around it for months? They've been simulcasting their broadcasts weekly for a long time. As a casual viewer I didn't realize the rules were so strict because of that
They have a special deal worked out. Back when they were under geek and sundry in the early days they had this as well and when they first relaunched as a separate company they lost that. And eventually when they were able to get that deal on their own. It seems like companies have more negotiating power than individuals. CR isn't they only one who has this deal.
When you're literally #1 and pull millions of dollars through Twitch alone AND you're a company that could lose Twitch hundreds of thousands of regular viewers overnight by leaving them, you have leverage in your negotiations
@@speccz3624 can back this up, official valorant tournaments are also simulcast on Twitch and TH-cam, probably other esports as well
This is what’s called “snitching”. Don’t do this. (Edit: /j since people can’t tell for some reason)
One word: Leverage.
Critical Role is in the position to demand their own custom Twitch contract because they are Critical Role, the #1 channel on Twitch.
Can we thank Two Take Tyler. What a good job
This was kind of surprising, I think people being able to stream on other websites is a bad thing for twitch, of you like YT better, you will change websites eventually, and if you like twitch better nothing will change
nah youtube vods are better for me, they banned all the old emotes that I liked
@Limeade Do you just want everyone to know this? You've posted like 3 comments bitching bro lmfao.
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They probably allowed that intentionally.
By that, I mean if you have a job that is incredibly well payed with relatively low amount of work hours, you wont go doing another job afterwards, which is essentially the case for major creators that are offered partnership.
I dont know if Twitch offers partnership to less popular streamers, but if they do, those streamers would be better off growing their audience by streaming exclusively on Twitch that has developed a working discoverability alghorithm for smaller streamers, compared to TH-cam which only favours big streamers.
My issue is that I don't use twitch, I grew up on TH-cam and remember when TH-cam didn't have any ads. But I can cope with 5 second unskippable ad. The twitch vod system is absolute garbage and the fact if I'm flicking around I have to watch the same ad every freaking time just makes me turn off
Same here. I grew up on youtube and I remember seeing those rectangular ads near at the progess bar of a vid, so if there's some youtuber streaming on twitch, I ain't going there. I'm staying on youtube.
Ludwig is Twitches crazy Ex boyfriend.
Ludwig’s so right about the new school way of growing i been making a content here and there for almost a year but i recently started putting more effort into tik tok/yt shorts with consistent posting and now i randomly pop off with videos getting 1k+ views (huge for me) im super interested on where it’ll go from here
was literally just scrolling for something to watch and got this notification. thanks :)
I agree with everything in this video. Tiktok is just bad at giving out stream keys in 2022 unless you get them from a third party. Once you have that the strategic maneuvering can begin
I feel like the reason they’re doing this is to keep big streamers from leaving the platform, but I don’t see why theyd do this instead of valuing their popular streamers higher
this is a dumb take. they value their popular streamers way too high already, paying them several millions for exclusivity. big streamers are leaving not because twitch doesnt value them, but because they can see that twitch is a sinking ship and its A LOT better for your community to switch sooner rather than later. its the 'middle class' of streamers that twitch doesnt care about, the ones that dont have internal connections and the ones who can no longer grow because every time someone new clicks on their stream they get a 30 second ad. nobody has an issue with watching twitch for pokimane because you know exactly what youre getting. trying to find someone new to watch though is a pain in the ass, not to mention the several other partner related problems twitch has been having in years now.
@@_holy__ghost Ludwig literally switched because twitch didnt value him
@@Blaze-ub5uw so because he did for that reason it suddenly means everyone did it for the same reason? what a non-argument
@@_holy__ghost Idk why you are trying to be so rude about it lmao. Rae and Sykkuno did the same thing. Id argue that switching to youtube is worse experience for the community than twitch anyway, shown by the need for the truffle extention
I absolutely love these vids. I'm a standard 9-5 worker, so I don't have enough time to be present for the drama, but oh boy does internet drama get my bones jostling. Two steps and I sound like a xylophone solo after watching one of these vids. Thank you mister lumbwhisk!
I don't like how youtube is basically a monopoly on all long form video content already, and it'd be even scarier if they also conquered the streaming space, but I have to admit that right now, I believe for the viewers youtube is already on par with twitch, and on track to become better, whilst twitch is and has been on a decline for a while now.
"4%!?" that smirk on Ludwigs face says "oh sweet summer child" 🤣
As a purplecliffe viewer. He was shocked to see the amount of viewers. And TH-camrs streaming on twitch and TH-cam is a good play depending on what you want.
ngl, the fact that tik tok is full of short videos, ez to go to another video, and with random chance of getting good contents, really build people's addiction to it, it is genius
i personally don't think that simul-streaming is always the best thing to do. if you're a streamer that's more community based and rely on audience interaction it can create a huge split between your community being on separated platforms with their own "chat cultures". mileage will also vary vastly depending on the type of content you make, but i've always preferred twitch as a livestreaming platform in comparison to youtube (and i actually have issues loading youtube livestreams, so there's that too lol)
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@@hackerling prove u aren’t
@@jenathica8769 ^^
this is why i don’t really go on twitch now. if i really wanna watch a stream i go on the vods in youtube channels. cant just browse comfortable anymore
"We believe engaging with two streams open at once can lead to a sub-optimal experience for your community" Joe Hills simulcasts on Twitch, TH-cam, and his Discord as both streamer and his own and only moderator most nights of the week AND he puts on a fantastic show for his three communities, with well behaved chats (except for the TH-cam botting) so clearly that's not a great defense against simulcasting. He's not partnered or affiliated with Twitch so that he can do this, which I think is fantastic personally.
honestly although im still not much of a fan of tiktok its really sick that theres a platform where its much "easier" to get your shot at being a content creator. its just a really nice way to get that extra boost that can genuinely be that difference that can make it for you
I was thinking this for a while, cause TH-cam has the best monetization, and is amazing for long term growth (atm, maybe the possible recession may change things) so why wouldn’t content creators view social media as a top funnel, use shorts, tik tok, and reels to promote their content (mass appeal) and the converted that go into TH-cam increase the watch time, and if your videos are good enough it’ll increase the AVD/AVP, which helps the algorithm and in general helps the main goal grow stronger
Plz go watch myth stream viewer you well laugh
That is exactly what every vine star tried to do
@@Pharoah2 to be fair, back then the algorithm wasn’t as known, and creators now understand and have adapted to the social media environment better now then they did back then
I wish so badly that twitch would turn all the clips on their platform into some kind of short form experience where we can flip through watch them, upvote them, etc
TH-cam streaming might be a worthy successor to twitch, if twitch can't come back from their current mistakes. As long as youtube improves their recommendation system, they can grow much more than they already are.
just wish they make moves sooner than later, but agreed
until youtube fixes all the livestream scams and 24h minecraft animations and improves chat, then ill give youtube streaming a chance
@@W3tPaint twitch have the same things
I've noticed that the algorithm picks a vid to boost when you're live as well. Idk if it's random or if there's criteria you have to meet to have this happen. But so often I go to click through to someone's profile or even just follow them and I misclick and they're live so I accidentally go to their stream.
Well that makes sense actually. I'm mostly a youtube user, i used to watch streams on twitch because my fav streamers are on twitch, but now they move to youtube and i no longer use twitch. Instead i'm exploring other streamers on youtube that i enjoy watching
The ads and the subpar playback is why I'm not on twitch 24/7 I like the chatting aspects and sometimes I like to view the chat alongside the stream, but it feels like a chore watching VODS on twitch sometimes. Twitch has better viewer engagement aspects but they need a bit of an overhaul with the actual watching part of it.
I could see streamers like Mizkif trying out a YT Week where he just does his usual stuff on YT to see how it performs
Wow what a comment
@@omensoffate wow what a comment
"old flame"
*5 year committed relationship*
really like these videos (mostly, cause no "youtube voice") also really informative of whats going on
flashbacks to slime’s Lud impression
6:33 holy shit that was a smooth cut
Imagine if Twitch starts a Tiktok-like / TH-cam Shorts feed with Twitch clips for creators, the same way you watch clips from reddits like LSF? That would be so good for discoverability for creators. But knowing Twitch and how lazy they are, they probably wouldn't do this
Knowing how toxic lsf is,might be a bad thing
fuck the tiktok-ization of all these websites, we should be condemning it, not advocating for it
@@godlyvex5543 people's actions speak for themselves. And the big social media companies are paying attention to the actions of people, rather than their words, which may not always match their actions.
@@godlyvex5543 you’re wrong though. No matter your feelings about it, it would be a great business move
@@youngrootv Just because it's a great business move doesn't mean everybody should be happy about it. "great business moves" is how we get things like adobe being a subscription service, star wars battlefront 2 being filled with microtransactions, and the government being lobbied to keep things favorable for the corporations.
literally just checked on the channel a few minutes ago to see if there was a new upload :) was just watching the fear and pod ep you were on
The intro was way to accurate 💀
Lud dont know if your reading this but I love the recent spike in mogul mail videos. I find it alot more enjoyable watching some more calmer videos instead of you screaming at geogussr for example, which i get why you do but still, love this content please keep it up!
Pointcrow kinda a coincidence because he’s my anecdote. I watch his vids, they’re great, and I’ve watched his streams sometimes. I definitely think I would watch his streams more if they’re on TH-cam, maybe for convenience sake. Whatever he does is good as long as he keeps up the great content.
the tiktok video with getting over it ( 6:00 ) is just a ludwig video after he beats any hard game (for example the ludlocke)
TH-cam Live has infinite time to grow, they have the most poweful backer that is TH-cam and Google that is willing to support them fully.
But Twitch is reliant on Amazon heavily if one day they pull out prime twitch immediately loses the biggest benefit it had the golden pot of gold waiting for creators to collect.
All they would have is culture and their current streamers to support the viewership, and with the golden pot gone there is less incentives for streamers to go to twitch leading more streamers starting in youtube.
as a pretty much full time tiktok streamer, its actually pretty solid ngl
I love mogul mail.
Most articles have the wrong idea of what is changing. Many people will likely screw up thinking stuff is ok when it is not.
Idk of its just the TH-cam community overall but twitch will always be better for me the community’s are just 100 times more fleshed out and unique on twitch TH-cam feels like a live comment section (if you get what I mean)
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Yeah but I'd say ludwig in a more specific case Is definitely pushing that boundary with the extension and such but overall every stream does feel like a comment section for sure
yeah but Ludwig has been meat riding youtube ever since he switched over to TH-cam, so he wont adress the problems that youtube has
Pretty weird that any company says I can't use the opposition
i love how lud talks about twitch like a past lover
That tiktok was such a fire ad for that guy's stream
TH-cam is by far the most likely platform to just become the internet. The community tab could be as good as Twitter and Instagram if they focused on it and improved it a lot. Shorts could obviously be just as good as TikTok. Streaming could be Twitch. In 10 years, I wouldn’t be surprised if TH-cam practically embodies the whole of social media.
Except TH-cam is the only service out of these services not to support direct messaging with other users
I mean if any company owns the internet it’s Google or aLpHAbeT
@@Rerbun that is what they’re missing but at some point I think they’ll add it
@@Rerbun I think it was there when youtube was at its "golden age", like when it still has that youtube logo with the "tube" being in a red box. Maybe I'm wrong tho
@@ArjunTheRageGuy you're right, there was a time where you had some sort of "e-mail" service inside TH-cam, but since they got rid of it I don't see it coming back anytime soon
Gotta love the purplecliffe shoutout
Well I tried streaming on twitch for a bit but when I learned what partner means I switched over to TH-cam. TH-cam has a lot of issues still though. The system treats live streams as regular videos and it's a bit more complicated than twitch, changing the title mid stream or the category is not the same as Twitch, also the live page on TH-cam only promotes tv channels and other people YT has a contract with like DrDisrespect. But my biggest issue is that there are no community features like emojis and points and things like that. I had to set up a chatbot for that, it's half working and it's complicated for the viewers.
Aren't there emotes on TH-cam with memberships?
@@OpreanVictor my channel is tiny so I am not sure about that. You need over 1000subs to be eligible to monetize your TH-cam channel and have members and superchats, In comparison I think twitch requires 100 follows for that which is way easier to achieve.
@@OpreanVictor yes
if twitch has way more benefits like u said in this message then why stream on TH-cam?
@@erv192 Because twitch wont let you post your own content anywhere else for 24 hours after you made it there. Also twitch takes 50% from all the bits and subs from you channel while youtube takes 30%, Also the payment streamers receive from twitch adds isnt very clear but from what ive heard the streamer makes alsmot no money from the adds that twitch constantly spams at you. The biggest one for me was that "discoverability" on twitch is non existent, you have to make YT videos and shorts or TikToks and convince people from other platforms to sub on your twitch. so i thought, if i have to make youtube shorts to be discovered why transfer people that sub on me here on youtube over to twitch, only for twitch to get 50% and own my videos for 24hrs ? so yeah even if youtube is not there yet i think that it will get there eventually.
My only problem with switching to TH-cam is all of my extensions and overlay things are twitch only. I would have to rebrand my whole setup
I think youtube is gonna overtake twitch soon in the livestreaming scene once youtube fixes its chat experience
It would if Twitch does not do anything. If they do TH-cam has no shot of catching up.
that would actually succ ass if yt monopolize on everything
Yeah they're probably already working on a new chat system behind the scenes.
No way I started studying Halite last week, to prepare for some bigger posts!! This vid makes me feel like I’m on the right track :)
The only change from what I understood was you could now stream simultaneously to a few platforms like TikTok and Instagram. You could always end your stream and start it fresh on TH-cam or Facebook (unless your contract specifically stated otherwise), but the content you made on Twitch was exclusive for 24 hours.
The ad system is soooo annoying on twitch, you get the same ad when clicking on two different streams
As bad as youtube is, youtube is generally less strict than twitch in a lot of ways from what I understand so that alone is a huge advantage
it was really nice of ludwig to shoutout his brother
Since Lud moved to YT, I’ve watched most of his streams. The accessibility, the ease is just easier. I don’t chat so I’m not worried about that. Whereas when people are on twitch, unless, I watch a yt video about them being live, I don’t watch.
Choosing where to put/create content is important. One person in our group, Master Rayvax, streams high multiplayer games on Twitch. I think it's mostly because you can have the members of the audience be much more invested in your streams when they are able to play along. He's streamed Yugioh Master Duel, Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, Risk of Rain 2, Rocket League, etc
TWITCH IS AN AD PLATFORM THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO STREAM BETWEEN THE ADS.
they also broke tags recently. Can't find english streams as easily anymore cuz a lot of them default to no tags now rather than automatically putting your language as a tag.
Couple years ago they broke the search bar making it pretty much useless. Shows 2 channels that don't really fit the search and then a sea of channel names similar to the search. The search bar sometimes refuses to show channels that I typed in specifically, insisting it doesn't exist so I have to write it in the url instead.
Its like they're trying to push people away cuz their search bar used to work perfectly and tags were fine too.
Twitch doesn’t want to allow us to multi-stream!! Haha whats up Ludwig!!
youtube shorts is the move....
You have ALWAYS been able to livestream on TH-cam and twitch as long as it wasn’t at the same time.
People that are partnered with twitch were not allowed to stream on anything except for twitch. However now they are allowing their partners to stream on TH-cam as well but just not at the same time.
I think it depebds on ur contract, but for most partners this was untrue
Slimes analogy was perfect
youtube is definitely going to dominate the streaming industry XD
Absolutely. TH-cam's ads are just soooo much better. After watching just a few streams on youtube twitch streams became almost unbearable to watch. Preroll ads, unskippable ads, 7 to 8 ads in a row. Fuck that. If a content creator was streaming on both im choosing the youtube stream 100% of the time. And if amazon ever stops the twitch prime program twitch is definitely dead.
The sad thing is,youtube is just a slightly better platform. TH-cam still kinda suck but it's at least better that twitch
Ludwig I 100% agree. This twitch streamer I recently started watching is crazy with his TikToks, he consistently has 250 views, and they frequently comment stuff like “I love you TikTok’s” or “Hi from TikTok”. It’s crazy how you can grow from a little TikTok spam.
Anyone else find mogul mail more entertaining than the main channel?
Critical Role has been simultaneously streaming on twitch and TH-cam for like 2 years now.
I cannot even Hypothetically think of a way that Twitch can save their company and turn profit. They've been MySpaced
I 100% agree with the reels. My instagram reels get 10k views easily, now its very hard to convert those views into followers and stream views unless you have a lot of good reels they can bench watch.
So focus on short digestable videos but also great long videos they can watch somewhere else
Twitch big L
I was watching a random stream and had 9 adds play. I know that at least 3 of the adds were more than 15 seconds. Also, getting tired of paying for a Sub and Twitch mistakenly bans someone for 3-4 days.
We desperately need a competitor to twitch other than youtube
I like how Ludwig thinks we've all had girl/boyfriends before
what does steve say on halloween, im squared
When slime said "going poly to save the relationship" I opened up Minecraft and the pop-up under the title was "more polygons"
Even if multi casting is still forbidden, exclusivity can matter a lot for select people . One example is SimpleFlips, who had signed a facebook contract. Apart from his required Facebook hours, he would livestream on youtube. As far as I'm aware, that was because of twitch partner exclusivity. He switched back to twitch after his facebook ran out and got partner status back, though it took quite some months.
Fun fact: He didn't link to his facebook stream from his youtube channel and rarely/never even mentioned them, because he didn't want to put his youtube viewers through watching facebook livestreams.
I'm thinking this was partially caused by the influx of East and SE Asian streamers this year, caused by YT's horrible stability issues since December and all the random bans.
Many big streamers in the region made Twitch accounts as a safety net, but since YT is still their main base, they declined the partner program.
This would allow Twitch to actually sign them, since outside of a few TW streamers, none of them were simulcasting anyway, just alternating streaming on YT and Twitch.
I used to not get ads on Twitch just because the region I'm in used to have very few ads in general for years. But now I get so many ads on Twitch and almost every time I switch streams which I do often especially if there's an event or tournament. So I genuinely don't understand how so many people could stand watching Twitch while having these ads all this time
“Ooooh sheeeeeeeet we do be losing money dawg, maybe we should do something”