Twitch is Falling Apart
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I’m glad people started calling out Twitch and TH-cam for their b.s. instead of letting these companies disregard everything
The youtube call out on racist was retarded and not based on proof yet people take it as a fact I fing hate cory mfer pushing a false narrative
Copy and pasted from a comment on Charlie's video smh
@@coltengerloff2173 it isn’t even the same comment as the one on Charlie’s. Sure, it’s similar, but not the same
Calling them out is nothing new. If you watched the video you would know that lud even mentioned how you can find posts from 2015 of people calling them out.
TH-cam has been getting backlash from their creators everytime they mess up since the adpocolypse yet their is always comments like this. I don’t understand
I bet that every day Ludwig gets happier and happier with his decision to switch to TH-cam.
I don't know about happy, he still has friends who depends on Twitch. I do feel he might feel relieved as he can view it as a third person and talk about it more
@@PicassosCat yeye
Hey there playa, I’m 20, grinding hard to get out the hood, I can’t be 30 with nothing to show for so i smoke weed on my youtube channel ☝️
TH-cam also has major problems too.
@@zardsire2012 quite obvious recently and twitch employees have degraded even further with the sus stuff on stream drama if u know u know
There is no problem with adult content. The problem emerges, when everyday content and adult content get mixed.
Twitch can make an adult section on their site for all I care, but it should not be mixed in between other streams.
it fucks up their ad revenue. For example, 4chan had to effectively split into 4chan & 4channel because advertisers didn't want to associate with the NSFW boards
@@LasermanSteam there were advertisers associating with 4chan?
The second adult content is officially integrated into the site, every advertiser targeting 13-17 year olds, families, etc, would pull out, leaving Twitch with just 18+ ads (which do not pay well at all). They'd lose well over 95% of their ad revenue. You might think advertisers will just pull ads from streams categorized as 18+, but that's not how most advertisers work, the ENTIRE domain has to meet their standards, because they do not want to be associated to that kind of content in any way.
There's also legal issues regarding adult sites as well, Twitch would be banned in some regions, and "regulated" in others. If a country will ban a video game for being too violent or sexual, you can bet your ass they'll ban a very popular adult website with the facade of a "normal brand friendly streaming site".
@@ratedpending contrary to popular belief, 4chan has more than just /pol/ and /b/
There's also nothing wrong with gambling streams to adults and Ludwig made videos going super hard against xqc and others. Ludwig is a fucking hypocrite always defending women when they do bad shit and attacking dudes hard when they do mild transgressions.
I agree that if Jidion wanted to get back on Twitch, this isn't the way to do it, but he's said in many previous videos including his last one that he doesn't care about going back to Twitch and that he prefers streaming on TH-cam, which is why he's just freely trolling them now.
He knows. Ludwigs just being Disengenous because he doesn’t like Jidion
@@hogui3150 did u watch the video xD
@@hogui3150 yea ok buddy
Exactly. I think Lud missed this part.
@@antoine5594 Yes. He misrepresented and lied about Jidions video the whole way through. Ludwig completely lied and said Jidion is only making the video to get unbanned even though IN THE ORIGINAL VIDEO, Jidion states multiple times that he’s glad he got banned and that he doesn’t want to get back on the platform and is only making the video to help his friends who are still on twitch dealing with unfair treatment. Ludwig completely lied about the twitch con situation saying that the reason Jidion didn’t get unbanned is because he hasn’t changed and used the Twitch con incident as an example even though if Ludwig actually did his research he would know that Jidion knew WAY BEFORE the twitch con incident that he was NEVER gonna get unbanned because the devs told him that in a interview. So by the time the twitch con incident started it didn’t matter what he did to twitch because he was never gonna get unbanned anyway. This dude spent so much talking about shit that was just completely wrong then actually talking about the issue at hand. Dude literally only talked about the ACTUAL BAN for like 2 seconds instead he wasted time shitting on Jidion for wrong information. Idek why he even made this video if he knew he was gonna be Disingenuous and misrepresent it because he doesn’t like Jidion. Moist critical video was far better.
You should check out the gphustla situation, the dude with the world record for longest continuous stream. I found him when you shouted him out during your subathon and a few months ago he got banned with no explanation. They’ve been withholding his money, still charging subs, and refusing to help him at all. I think this could be another good mogul mail with everything that’s going on. He’s getting shafted bc he was only ever a double digit streamer.
@ok Obnoxious.
Holy shit this definitely needs to be looked into liek holy
Commenting to push this up
Would be interesting to hear his take, commenting to boost
this is fucking wild tbh
ludwig’s nuanced takes on his mogul mails always are a nice surprise. i appreciate that he can recognize the rights and wrongs of both sides
I candidly think this video is not that nuanced this time. He doesn't talk about the inconsistencies of twitch enough. He also assumes that Jidion's approach is to merely get back on twitch in a disingenuous manner, but doesn't even discuss Jidion's arguments in the video thoroughly. It's good that he tries to admonish jidion because it seems he's trying to not be biased; however, I would say that he is still seeing this in a narrow manner. Moistcritical's video was far better.
@@samuraigorilla2311 well said, I felt the same way but ludwig does have a point about Jidion being a "trouble maker" to an extent. However not talking about any of the points Jidion directly said was a bad idea. I expected to hear jidion's voice in this video but there was none
@@Angelofo I think you phrased it perfectly. Ludwig is correct in saying that trying to criticize twitch- whilst also trying to sneak into twitch con- isn't exactly the best approach to being unbanned. Though I like Jidion, I can certainly accept that he does become disruptive. However as you said, jidion's voice wasn't even present. It just gives the picture that he's painting Jidion in a certain way and exaggerating his character, whilst not humanizing him and presenting his side.
@@samuraigorilla2311 Critikal ignored all the extra stuff jideon did and said he got banned for just "L+ratio" spam which was pretty damn reductive if you ask me. I definitely think Ludwig has the more all encompassing take here. The key takeaway though is that the big platforms are, and have been inconsistent for ages and something needs to change. Thats something we can all agree on
A mark of intelligence
Ludwig thank you for actually calling your friends out on their bullshit. If everyone did that, the world would be much better
I find the whole comparison between harassing someone and having sex weird bc they don’t have any relation to each other. They’re both wrong in different ways and deserved a perma ban. I think this this whole thing should be broken down into 2 different issues, one is the issue of whether or not it’s ok to unban someone who has made amends with the person they harassed, and the other about how the lady had sex on stream yet was let off easy whereas other people who accidentally flashed a nude get a much harsher punishment.
Exactly, I think a lot of the people are caught up in trying to compare the two. As you mentioned, what makes a much better comparison is people who accidentally showed explicit material vs her blatant and _intentional_ violation of Twitch’s TOS.
breaking the same issue as if it were 2 separate issues, hypocricy much? your parents didnt tell you about hypocricy yet so you think this is fine?
His point wasn't about the content, but about sexism. He said female streamers get much lesser punishment for equally perma bannable behavior, regardless if the offense fits in a different category or not.
The issue is twitch is never consistent with their punishments across genders. The punishment for the men is always far more severe even if the crimes the same
U just said it yourself🤣 both should be perma banned so if he’s not let back on why should she ?😭
Companies act like this until they are whistleblown or properly sued. So the best thing I could say is all these content creators should make a union and draft a CBA with whom ever they partner, otherwise as a ‘customer’ they will just tell you to deal with it.
@adinross should do this!!!
care to explain what twitch would be sued for?
Well can they even make a union since they are basically freelancers
@@patchesthepirate55 bias against its users and unfair treatment I guess
Youre forgetting that its owned by amazon. Amazon just hires 10 of the best lawyers in the world and nothing gets resolved.
I'm glad you pointed out that he is still both banned and her only having a 7 day ban is inconsistent, but also seems to be going around what all he did to deserve an indefinite ban.
I agree, him getting perma was the good ending.
@@SlowGreyWeasel I feel like he's gone on his redemption arc but it does make sense that twitch doesnt want him on their platform. I guess the lawful good ending would be everyone who breaks t and cs getting banned and the lawful evil ending would be no one getting banned
@@_unseenhunter_5093 He is on his redemption arc only because he lost money by being banned. Watch this asshole getting unbanned and he will pull the same shit every time regurarly. He shouldn't have a platform anywhere.
@@SlowGreyWeasel No, it wasn't. It's not just inconsistent its disgusting. He has not done anything inherently wrong. And even then it should be forgiven. Pokimane said the n word, why isnt she banned?
@@SlowGreyWeasel he has done nothing comparable to that of pokimane, she is not black however said the n word. With your logic, she should be banned. I agree he was a nuisance on twitter, however the issue was resolved. Pokimanes n word has been resolved. But she is not banned.
If Twitch posted banning guidelines, not just TOS, and actually followed those guidelines in a transparent way, no one would be able to say anything. JiDion probably deserved an indefinite ban, especially with how he handled himself in the fallout. But Twitch's dumb actions validate banned streamers, even when they deserve it.
they can't because there's seperate rules for males and females. females are allowed to get away with much, much more. twitch staff have been arrested for raping male streamers. it's a completely fucked up company.
I feel this is extra disingenuous because he's essentially trying to piggyback/hijack the movement of someone who actually was wrongfully discriminated against to serve his own goals which his punishment for was arguably fair
If his argument was about being consistent, completely fair. I think he deserves to be banned off of twitch for sure. But his argument is to unban him since "Oh, she got a 7 day ban. I made up with the person I harassed and am still banned!". Im a JiDion fan. I love the guy, I love his energy, and i loved his twitch con video because it was almost meta in a sense of "Oh, i got banned off twitch and now am at twitch con with Poki!". But yeah. People are saying JiDion is "manipulating" his fanbase. But manipulating implies that he actually knows what hes doing. I'd say influencing is a better word. Manipulating insinuates he did it maliciously and with self awareness. I think he just saw this opportunity, is still mad about how he got banned off of twitch despite his reform and remorse, and is mad about how these people are being treated better than him.
@@jimbo2947 I totally agree! Manipulative is too harsh of a word, it exasperates jidion I feel like he’s more influential than manipulative. And I don’t think he’s actually piggybacking off, if anything he’s included into that group of people who have been discriminated.
@@jimbo2947 this girl said she was going to shoot up the twitch headquarters after the 7 day was changed to a perma ban, apologized, and it was changed from a perma to only a 22 day ban. Jidion apologizes as well (for things less heinous) and even becomes friends with poki yet that’s still not enough. He just wants answers now, he said in the video he doesn’t care about being unbanned at all, the twitch con vid showed that basically. Yea the Cory vid just happened as well, but that makes it the perfect time to spread awareness on this topic since everyone is already talking about it.
He doesn’t even want to be unbanned though
@@ejp507 The girl who made the threat actually got permabanned again like a day after getting the 22 day ban. People are spreading misinformation about that. This is her twitch /narcissawright . Look at it, she is perma banned.
This is such an interesting issue and to see both of the big platforms having issues with equal community guidelines. It will be interesting how things change and end up months down the line. Great vid Lud
Agree. It also speaks to how these tech companies seem to always end up in legal trouble for discrimination. If they're treating creators unequally, you can only imagine this extends into their regular operations as well. How many times have we heard of the bro circles cutting each other slack at this point?
@@grampaseri proving discrimination would almost be impossible unless a twitch employee came out that they were ordered to discriminate. The inconsistencies that platforms have comes down to human error
@@patchesthepirate55 You seem confused. I'm not saying they specifically set out with orders to discriminate. That's absurd. I'm saying there's a pattern of behavior that seems to occur in tech and gaming companies where some employees are cut slack for poor behavior and the companies face subsequent legal action for discrimination which they then settle. ABK, Riot, and Sony are just some of the recent examples. This behavior mirrors the same type of favoritism occurring with creators.
Months?? Probably decades until twitch changes
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spitting facts
twitch need to get their act together
and so does TH-cam.
Now we need to go to the other social media, Twitter. Umm it’s already bad.
@@privtprofile24 idk youtube is cruising
@Propaganda everywhere Lmao
@@firebanner6424 TH-cam and twitch are both being crusaded upon in the same week, tf you mean they're crusing, their problems are also much worse and have lasted way longer.
I personally don't care if it is disingenuous, as his situation has been resolved with pokemaine. The fact that the one twitch streamer threatens to shoot up the headquarters of twitch, can apologize and turn her perma ban into a suspension is absolutely bonkers. They sexual stuff that we have seen hit the main media never hit a month suspension is bonkers. I don't like what Gideon did, and I don't watch his content, but unless twitch starts to actually enforce it rules properly and transparently, he shouldn't have been banned.
ya this is pretty much how i feel about it. if you can forgive someone for threatening a mass shooting (which is an act of domestic terrorism btw) you can forgive a twitch chat raid
Bro I’m loving this Mogul Mail series it’s amazing keep going Lud you’re doing and outstanding job!!!
youtube and twitch right now 😨😨😨😨😨😨
1k like comment calling it
not really
@@piplupdabest 300 like reply calling it
@@Ibbyrah no
At least they aren’t Twitter.
Lud is giving me Charlie vibes with the quick news related videos. Just ad friendly
Nobody can be as ad friendly as Charlie. He's the perfect family TH-camr
@@hankthebird nice Knife Man profile pic
@@hankthebird "The time I tried to suck my own dick"
The only relation Lud has with Charlie is they're both talking in front of a camera, they share zero energy and thats good, they're different people.
@@migitri AYYY a fellow man with impeccable taste. Respect 🥂
Glad to see Ludwig finally using his journalism degree
I feel like ludwig doesn’t actually even watch the video he talks about
I'm glad that jacksepticeye also made a video about TH-cam being Unfair/racist It shows other people what Cory really means.
#love4cory
@Classic Tate no
@Classic Tate what part 2?
@@setup0181 dawg you just got sacked by a bot 💀
@@setup0181 Just report as spam and move along, its all just a ruse to get you to click some link on their youtube page in the end.
@@falcon1378 Bro There's no way 💀
Acting in malice and sending hate towards other streamers and erotic content is not an apples to apples comparison
very true, it was strange to see all these comments thinking it's an apt comparison.
Malice and hate = “L+ratio”
My generation is so soft it’s actually a-bit surreal
@@zorlockts5744 Poki received thousand of rape and death threats from that raid you genius.
@@zorlockts5744 did you even watch the video or actually look at what happened
It’s not just erotic content it’s LITERALLY HAVING SEX ON A LIVESTREAM AND SHOWING IT. Which is an extreme violation of TOS because your showing ACTUAL live porn. If Jidions “harassment” were to get perma banned this should get perma banned too by TOS standards, just because YOU FEEL that it shouldn’t get banned means nothing. If Jidion was the one to show himself having sex live on twitch then I bet you people would be one of the first ones advocating for him to be off the platform. Yet when a girl does it you don’t care which shows the sexist standards of twitch that Jidion was trying to show. This has been happening for years and this is just another example of it. The girl severely broke tos and so should get perma banned but she didn’t because she’s a women and twitch favors women. Open your eyes and stop being biased, it’s literal porn😂
Gonna go ahead and say I'm fine with Twitch taking a harsher stance on targeted harassment than sexual content lol
If Twitch started allowing hate raids, it would fall apart.
If Twitch started actually permabanning all sexual content, it might not be as bad but the company would definitely take a hit.
The 2 things aren't remotely comparable from a purely economical point of view
Did u watch jidion vid? He doesn’t even care about being unbanned from twitch anymore and gives valid points. His friends have been given unfair treatment like kai cenats ban for a whole month and yourrage ban for his profile pic even though there was nothing wrong with it and had to go on to Twitter to get twitch to unban him
Yep exactly - intent and impact on others is completely different
Yknow he didn’t mean for that “harassment” only for his viewers to spam L + Ratio which is barely anything near harassment. Plus why get punished for something already resolved?
@@tiktok_content9505 mobilizing your followers to do anything targeted towards another person should be looked down upon in all facets. It’s super immoral because there’s people who take it too far and it will get out of control as anonymity has proven to make people say heinous shit.
I don't think he's trying to get unbanned, he's just pointing out Twitch's corruption.
Jidion calling out twitch on sexism…how ironic.
*america
@@Purone4050 *murica
Sendind a man "L + Ratio": 😑
Sending a Woman "L + Ratio": You sexist pig!!! 😠
Sexism toward MEN, how dare they!
(He's correct, but doesn't mean he didn't deserve the permaban tho)
@@Purone4050 if only you knew how good we have it here compared to many third world and even first world countries.
I love the commentary Ludwig videos, it's good to hear his perspective on alot of issues because he seems to be more down to earth
He's a very well-thought guy. Very likeable
Fax 💯 He's logical aswell
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Wrong. Ludwig is still confined by all the twitter / canceling bs since his CAREER is all online
I think this is a tough situation. If you do something wrong on the platform that only affects your channel, a non permiban is fine. If you are purpusly affecting other streamers, you are negatively affecting other streams and potentially removing revenue. If someone came to your job and started messing up stuff and your boss payed you less, you would want the store to prevent them coming in. Permban is rough, and should be more like a year ban at max unless people make a mistake twice.
Twitch has always been known to be inconsistent when it comes to delivering punishment. However, I think Jidion's ban was completely fair, as he continued to harass poki after he got punished. I'm glad poki and jidion have made peace since, and jidion does seem like a cool dude. I just think if he's trying to use this as an example to get unbanned or something, then it's not going to amount to that and twitch will not respond.
I think he saw an opportunity to get the bag after seeing the video calling out youtube, and he took it. And I'm not going to blame a guy for doing that.
It's not about his ban being unfair. It's about the other bans being unfair. I do agree it is also fair but the point is that these other Twitch Streamers who are coincidentally all Women and getting banned for just a month or less for something worst.
Disagree. Where’s free speech nowadays? If you think words are harassment even more so ONLINE you need to stop being so soft. You know all the simps and blue hairs behind twitch banned jidion cuz he hurt their queen.
I think it's more about him wanting to get back at twitch for being unfair, and I am all for trolling that company.
He definitely deserves an unban twitch is just being petty and trying to make an example
What a time for everything to fall apart.
It's always been like this. I'd say now it's the opposite of falling apart when content creators and communities can speak up and criticize huge corporations and it actually make a change.
Corona panic ended, extroverts watch videos less and the fortress of comfort is showing cracks.
you can’t get banned, quadruple down on harassing poki, brag that your comeback stream is gonna fire, keep your pfp has poki for wks, then cry sexism got you banned.
the question isn’t “was jidion unfairly banned” imo, it’s “will twitch be more consistent with their treatment of creators big or small”. the answer is no obviously, but they can definitely still makes changes to do better by their creators
Nice to see Ludwig's community has some common sense
people seem to forget that twitch wants to make money so the are going to have bias to big creators cause they make them money. Also this isnt the government they can be biased to whoever they want
@@patchesthepirate55 Does twitch actually want to make money or just stop losing money?
@@MistyKathrine whats your point? elaborate
@@patchesthepirate55 Twitch is long known for not being profitable, before twitch can start making money, they will have to stop bleeding money first.
ok this has to be the best mogul mail I've seen so far, I've loved every one but these takes I just fully agreed with, twitch is constantly evolving and changing over time, and its up to them if they want to embrace that change or push away from it. They really need to try their best when it comes to adapting to the community, and truly listen to what creators are saying. There are so many issues that keep coming up when it comes to how social media is used, and I feel like all I can do is hope that things change for the better :(
Lud always has the most genuine takes
Twitch has had so many flaws since the beginning and now people are finally starting to hold twitch accountable.
It’s about time.
This happens every few years and nothing changes and nothing ever wil change. the only one being held accountable is jidion for his actions
@@patchesthepirate55 God there is nothing I hate more than the ignorance of people acting as if their the peak of history at some big event right now.
Guys twitch has been talked about being sexist for its entire existence yet people act as if it’s some recent news omg they be acting so retarded.
This is similar to things like the pandemic where everyone acted like it would be some big thing in the history books when in reality there have been must worse pandemics in history and the only thing that would ever be talked about it is the economic downturn and bubble popping that happened afterwards probably remembered as the 2022 crash having less impact then the 2008 housing pop or 2000’s .com crash
When will people realize that we are such a microscopic speck on the timeline that spans from -13 billion to ♾.
Hell, to be honest the universe probably loops back around in some kinda long ass Groundhog Day.
Just get over the fact that your an insignificant piece of sand at the beach and live your life .😑
People have been talking about their inconsistent bans forever, this isn't new at all
It was nowhere near this bad back then for BOTH platforms; not to say there wasn't obviously SOME racism & sexism, but it wasn't at the level nowadays. It was only when they were bought out by Amazon for Twitch & Google for TH-cam that both started that downward spiral around the flushing toilet bowl as giant piles of shit.
wow i feel like theres been so many mogul mails this week
i mean... im not really complaining
*th-cam.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/w-d-xo.html*
Finally it's here after so long
I love the chaos going on at TH-cam and twitch right now
Didn't Know Bout Mogul Mail & Was Pleasantly Surprised Been Really Enjoying The Content Style Quick,Concise,Personal & Informative Hope Lud Keeps Posting On It In The Future 👍
Twitch truly is unhinged with keeping order. I also believe Jidion deserves the ban. There was too much sexism, too many horrible remarks and threats towards poki. His fans told her every day for weeks that they were going to r word her.
L comment
@@sumstupid4623 They're right lmao. Learn more than 2 letters
Definitely deserved a ban but not the ban he has rn. If he and the person that had received the threats and sexist remarks made up then it seems unfair to say he still deserves the ban
tbh i agree, he already apologized to poki, and its time to address the situation correctly instead of trying to get more views from it
Goofy ah comment
Jidion complaining about Twitch being sexist towards him after getting banned for being sexist to Poki is very ironic and funny
Bruh jidion is banned for over 8 months now , there’s this one chick on twitch who literally streamed porn and only got 1 week of banning and got exposure during the ban , and the harassment pokimane went thru was literally just “L+ratio” in her chat lol
It is ironic but he's also right.
Yeah, he is probably the worst messenger you could get for this message.
LOL TRUE
that girl literally made a terrorist threat and she only got a 22 day ban and she got her ban appealed while jidion didn’t do anything close to that and is perma banned
In my opinion, a lot of this current conversation glosses over about how fucked up it is to send a 'hate raid' to someone. Especially when everybody who has ever been on the internet should know how stuff like this can and will escalate. Shorter bans should be warnings for some minor accident, like your example with the media share incident, or overstepping rules that you didn't exactly know about. Obviously 'accidentally' breaking TOS with adult content probably involves very little good faith from the offender aswell and I agree that someone having sex on stream should get them permanently banned as there is no universe where that person does not realize that they are stepping just slightly outside TOS, but harassing someone else on the platform with zero remorse and then arguing his mistake was not as bad because he sorted things out with the victim afterwards does warrant a permanent ban for me. That guy knew what he was doing and did it anyways.
imo if the person and person have 0 bad blood and made up then it should be resolved, granted obviously you cant do it again then i think its worth a perma but he made a video of him understanding why thats wrong and i believe it, i dont watch the guy. not even subbed on yt but i do understand that people make mistakes and that if they understand those mistakes and learn then i think undoing the perma would be optimal
the thing is he only told his chat to spam L+ratio and his viewers took it too far, jidion was a hella new streamer and didnt know that his viewers would start dming her viewers. after the ban he GENUINELY felt bad and apologized to her in private and they made up in person and are still friends to this day, yet instead of an unban they extended his 14 day ban to a perma. meanwhile somebody who actually threatens to shoot up the twitch HQ gets their ban reduced??
@@q6x go outside
While I agree with you wholeheartedly, both were permaban offenses and the girl only got banned for 7 days whereas Jidion DID get a permaban. This shows clear favoritism of some form, whether it's sexism or racism or anything of the like. They should both be permabanned in my opinion. The point of this whole argument was not whether or not they deserved permabans, but whether or not Twitch expressed some sort of favoritism.
There may be sexism going on in twitch but this jidion comparison to that girl is foolish.
I dont remember the girl trolling twitch events and staff members after the ban.
Imagine someone gets suspended temporarily from some sort of company and next day they break in wreaking havoc. Ofcourse their suspension will be turned permanent, why would company want to ever work with them again
he said in the video that he doesn't want to go back to twitch, he just wants a explanation
This is typically how Jidion does things, stir some drama and tries to maintain the idea that he’s in the right
Honestly he is *partly* in the right, it is undeniable that twitch (idk if it’s twitch as a whole or the people in charge of bans) is and was engaging in blatant favoritism
How is he not in the right at this point, he really hasnt done anything to disrupt twitches business, the security let him into twitch con, he didn’t break in through a window, the call was clearly a joke, he was wearing a mustache for no reason
Yeah, he is a clown and nothing else.
How is he not in the right? He’s just stating the obvious 🤡
@@cubegamer0761 dude what are you on about. Literally he is adding fuel to the fire fucking with twitch with the charity call and sneaking into twitch con and making a video out of it. No shit, they aren't going to trust/unban him after that.
Instead if he laid low, actually showed that he changed and would not fuck with Twitch he could've been unbanned already.
Ludwig said it perfectly, "he's trying to have his cake and eat it too"
It feels like the YT vs Twitch drama all happened at once on purpose. This feels so strangely orchestrated.
Coryxkenshin I feel like is legitimate stand alone thing. Now did jiddion see that and wanted to do the same? Idk who is to tell but I feel like I doubt that.
Surprising take. I get where Lud is coming from. Sure, bans and Twitch are inconsistent and frustrating, but I hope everyone can understand the difference between showing a private part as apposed to maliciously hate raiding someone else to tear them down for little to no reason. Yeah, both go against the ToS but it's like someone breaking the law by going 30 miles per hour over the speed limit and another person purposely crashing their car into someone else since that other person's car is...I don't know, purple. You'd probably be a lot more comfortable letting the person who broke the speed limit back on the road rather than the person ramming their car into other vehicles. Sure, maybe the people who were in the wreck settled things but not a lot of good faith to go off of if someone was so quick to do something so harmful. Maybe they won't do the exact same thing again but could very well do something similar. Especially like Lud said, they have been pretty disingenuous since the whole fallout of the situation. Again no real good faith to go off of.
That’s the opposite of what he said, he did say how it shouldn’t be minimized what jideon did, but it is inconsistent and at another point called the other band more heinous
Hahaha. By your logic, the pornstar is literally just going to have sex on stream again. Why does your forgiveness spread to the pretty women, but not everyone else?
I agree. Having sex on stream is against Twitch TOS, but I'd argue that spreading hate and attacking another streamer+community totally unprompted is far more harmful, for the example it sends to the viewers. The death threat girl maybe also shouldn't have been unbanned, but I guess hers were only words spoken by herself on one occasion, not an entire community weaponised and sent out to spread hate.
tbh I think both can be reasonably perma banned, Jidion was maliciously hate raiding with bad intentions (correct me if I'm wrong) and still doing it after he learned that what he did was wrong still goes on this whole rant, the girl was also irresponsible to bang knowing that she was live, even if she thought no one would notice its still irresponsible, although I'm not gonna decide which is worse cause frankly getting into an argument with a stranger about little inconsistencies is pointless, I do want to point out that Jidion did have a choice to do this rationally and think about his consequences or throw a tantrum. But again I still do think that both were in the wrong
Eh I think they are fairly comparable situations. Actually the sex on twitch is worse imo
glad to see his journalism degree is being put to good use
I absolutely think twitch,TH-cam, etc have inconsistent af ban policies, and I understand that in their world it’s hard to set pure 100% guidelines to follow especially as the scene evolves and changes. But seriously, is this not a difference of two cases having different intentions?
One streamer had sex, knew it was wrong and tried to hide it, got caught through a reflection, 1 week ban. Sex isn’t bad, it just not allowed on the site, so ban is maybe not quite as long as you’d expect but certainly isn’t perma worthy imo.
The other streamer WANTED to harass a big streamer, sent people after them, then got mad on other platforms and took a long time to back down. And now currently still isn’t asking nicely, but instead is making content about it and twitch could view some instances as harassment still.
Listen man, I don’t think a single hate raid should get a person permad, if he wanted to instantly apologize, start saying he knew it was wrong but thought it could be a joke to push past, didn’t want to cause harm. That doesn’t seem to be the route taken. Why should twitch take that lightly?
YES EXACTLY!!
100% agree with this take, I am kinda confused on what they want to happen to the girl that had sex on stream? Do they want her perma banned or just a longer ban? Also no way in hell is having sex on stream worse than conducting an harrasment campaign agaisnt the face of twitch.
For Twitch, Jidion is just an unwanted and problematic creator and his behavior keeps making it worse. I think if it was just the hate raid and after he apologized without going on his Twitter rampage he def would’ve gotten off way lighter
@@ccbstar Initially it was like a 2 week ban. It's everything he did after that made it an indefinite ban, and eventually a perma ban.
@@MistyKathrine he just kept digging himself a deeper hole and now he wonders why he can’t get unbanned 🤦♀️
Even though I understand where jidion is coming from, I think that’s twitch is afraid. Most young people don’t care about sex or the people having sex on stream. In fact, it probably draws more people to their platform. Bullying is very different. Even if he’s reformed, he does tread that line between ok and not ok. That’s fantastic content unless it goes wrong again and Twitch gets more hate. I think Twitch is in a very precarious position right now with ppl leaving for YT, or not attracting new viewers (I realy tried to get into Twitch but my god those adbreaks…) they don’t want to alienate people. My two cents from a YT 🐸
What I’ve learned from these past 2 videos is that Ludwig is a favorite wherever he goes
6:00 When ludwig says that 2015 is old, I feel old..
"I will always side with the person because he has less power", unrelated to JiDion, having less power does not make you right.
Yeah this is a bad take. If someone is in the wrong and has less power doesnt mean you should side with them
Not what he said
Yeah, that's really a shit take. Corporations suck, but that doesn't mean they are inherently wrong
Agree, there are genuinely vile people out there that Ludwig would never side with, so that "always" is 100% cap.
This is particularly amusing after Andrew Tate is being banned by all the "big and powerful corporations".
In a perfect world Twitch has consistent punishments for breaches in Terms of Service AND Jidion owns up to the fact that some of his pranks can go a little far and lead to bad situations.
Edit: no need to tell me what Jidion has done and what he’s apologized for. I genuinely enjoy his channel and understand he doesn’t want beef with anyone, I’m just saying that showing up at twitch con and getting banned (although he did nothing wrong other than make people uncomfortable) isn’t a good look if you’re trying to get back on twitch. And if he’s not trying to get back on twitch then maybe he should have made the “twitch is sexist” video BEFORE going and trolling them at twitch con. I’m just saying if he wants to run an outrageous pranks channel then he should understand that can have negative consequences.
jidion already does that...
why would he have to own up for his pranks? He apologized and made amends with Poki, the reason he was banned, not cause of his YT pranks. He only went to twitch con cause he threw in the towel essentially and doesn’t care about being unbanned anymore. The video is meant to hold them accountable and answer, not a plea for why he should be unbanned.
I’ve not watched jidion much, but I do remember him claiming he can go a little too far sometimes so he does own up to it
@@ejp507 Nahhhh Jidion says he doesn't care about twitch anymore and yet he's still asking them to unban him. Clearly the bro wants to get back on Twitch again
@@JavitTheJoker he’s not asking to be unbanned, he wants them to change the way they enforce their policy and is calling them out publicly on it.
I love the "see ya later, goodbye!!" Outros
Lud probably been the same dude since he was 16 what a g
The only correct answer here is he remains perma banned plus the others mentioned here get perma banned too.
newsflash being an muppet doesn't hold up when trying to act like a victim. seems like he's realising this slowly.
Too bad his fans don't
Don't see how his offenses are on the same level as the others. I feel like you only say he should stay banned because you don't like him.
@@mortaldeity1922 harrasing people not ban worthy?
@@LuxuryBall13 y’all dragging it tho maybe I’m in the wrong but I feel like it’s not that big of a deal people are too sensitive and they try to feel emotions through pokimane like they were the ones in the situation but they’re literally friends now if she’s not mad about it why are you?
@@juanwick6329 facts man like they are actually really good friends now and she even advocates for him getting unbanned because she know it was a misunderstanding
Ludwig made such a mogul move by uploading more on this channel.
JI-DI-ON had me dying...
Two caked up Kings looking out for each other, you love to see it.
Ludwig nailed this. I’m noticing a theme with jidion. He always acts like he’s the innocent nice guy, he’s never wrong in his eyes.
no, because if that was true jidion wouldn't have made up with poki, rug and tommy for their previous beefs, instead i think he actually tried to make up, he never had a beef that lasted over a month because he could easily get along with people and doesn't truly hate them, i'm sure he regrets his mistakes.
@@ESUL0RY making up benefits him cuz he gets more clout for it brodie. Farming views 101
Jidion’s position doesn’t even matter here. You could use any number of male twitch streamers as a replacement example.
because he is innocent.
His take of Jidion arguaing in bad faith and taking his side is dumb though
Love the content here! Also, It seems as if Twitch is trying to grow up with its original community rather than appeal to new audiences in reference to the ending idea
To a certain degree it makes sense because people have more money the older they are. However I think this is a generational issue. The partner managers of Twitch streamers are probably not that much older than the streamers themselves. How are they supposed to understand any of the internet culture of todays teens? Maybe it's just me that's out of touch but I think they really need to hire new and younger managers to keep up with this (and honestly the same can be said for a lot of other groups that have their own culture)
He did say at the end of his video that he isn’t interested in being unbanned anymore, I’m pretty sure he was just using his ban as an example
He’s not trying to get unbanned Lud
Cory: TH-cam racism and favoritism
Jidion: Twitch sexism and favoritism
He made that video shortly after Cory did. It's pretty clear that he's trying to ride the latest controversy after seeing the impact it made and more importantly, how many views it got.
@@AlienfromY841 wdym jidion is already getting millions of views on he's videos
@@AlienfromY841 what are you on bro he was actually doing better than cory lmao
Seems like black people always play the victim card when they throw a fit on not getting it their way.
@@AlienfromY841 it’s the perfect time to talk about it though imo. When one creator starts a moment of outing big streaming platforms then it’s only right other creators are gonna join.
Man Ludwig you are doing great! It’s awesome being able to see you change and grow and just be a great guy through these years and through your videos. I remember one taking a video that didn’t have a chat was difficult but look at you now! Your doing great and changing lives for the better.
I hope this incident doesn't make people forget that jideon IS A BAD ACTOR. He's literally using this incident to piggy back into getting a chance of being unbanned.
i think a lot of people forgot the context of when he got banned as well - hate raids were probably at their height at the time, and people were flaming twitch for never doing anything. and everything you said, i agree.
I just love the chaos from these creators calling out the platforms 😂
I don't agree with you on one thing : we do not have to pick a side.
You said you'd be on the human side because they have less resources than mega corporations, and I get that. But I will never be on the side of a human that is not genuinely trying to get better. I'm not taking any sides in this case
That’s pretty hilarious him talking with the twitch dude.
When you no longer get paid by twitch "how twitch is falling apart" 😂
2 things.
1. thanks for out Jideon for making his video in bad faith, it's not obvious to teenagers that he is being highly manipulative with how he presents the situation.
2. thank you for referencing how consistently terrible the twitch mod team has been for years.
People don't remember, but the issue of favoritism has been a huge issue for so long. This week a women got banned for showing cleavage while playing a game while their are entire categories that allow women in bikinis. All the power to everyone who does these, but there are still people perma banned with no reasons given as well as dozens of women who have shown much less on stream and others who had seconds of a clip with a naked person in it.
you have to remember, most people who work for twitch don't know anyone in the mod team. None of the mod team have any social media. there is no way for anyone to contact the mod team. now this info might be outdated, but I highly doubt it.
How is he being manipulative when in his own video he said he didn't care about getting unbanned, his suspension wasn't even the focus of the video. He was speaking mainly on behalf of other creators who are still subject to Twitch's favoritism.
Jidion only talked about how twitch plays favorite to most women
This is a horrible comment.
Yeah, they allow it in some places, so go there? Using more words does not mean you're actually saying anything of substance.
@@lubooox1164 hm yes just call everything that goes against your points manipulation 🥸🧐he isnt the type of person to do that. his videos werent in bad faith at all and imo that was the only bad thing ludwig said in this video.
@@bruhh7914 WTF EUGENE? wassup bro Im a big fan
Hey Ludwig, this is a great video, particularly the analysis at the halfway point onwards that the vast majority of hair trigger commenters haven't seen yet. I think a vital piece of this story that you're the only one I've seen talk about is that Jidion is maybe one of the worst people to be making the arguments about Twitch's unfair bans given his history with the platform.
One thing I have to disagree with is the idea that either we gotta support Jidion or be inadvertently supporting Twitch, when I don't think it's a binary issue. Why can't we detach questions about Twitch's discriminatory and weird (especially in regards to women) ban policies from Jidion? What'll happen because of this attachment of the two issues (twitch's ban policies and Jidion's specific ban) is that if Twitch wants to make this go away for a while, they can just unban Jidion, or ban the women in his video, which will appease his fanbase and feel like a victory even though nothing's changed as always.
It feels pretty shortsighted to me, especially as someone who's been seeing this same exact cycle of news with Twitch's ban policies repeat itself over the last 5+ (minimum) years, over and over. With your fanbase you could probably introduce a stronger counter narrative than one so strongly tied to Jidion, although that might put you in a weird position as a TH-cam guy. Regardless, it's still great that you brought up Jidion's past with regards to bans, it's something completely missed in the current narrative.
I’m taking a guess u didn’t even watch jidions vid
Finally a comment here that isn’t needlessly biased
"I was off a gummy!" 💀🤣
this perfectly lines up w his persona of being a menace
Jidion feels like he is constantly trying to get out of prison when all he had to do was confess and then keep his head down and do his time.
milk me
Do his time? It's permanent.
wym they gave him a perma ban
How come he has to do his time when a girl who got fucked on stream then made threats doesnt
great metaphor
Hey Lud, just a heads up, Jidion stated at some point in his video that he doesn't care if he's unbanned at this point because he's sticking with youtube. He's more so talking about his friends like Kai and YRG being banned for silly reasons and Dr. Disrespect still not having the info regarding his ban released. He knows he's not going back so he went all out.
Wrong
@@bing8956 👎
Yeah I see what you mean, he states that in the video but its still important to address cause many of the tweets he and others make are suggesting he SHOULD be unbanned. It's fair Lud clarifies on that point
2:47 yeah that won't get taken out of context
That girl wasn’t riding the line, she was riding the dude
Twitch's response: we have removed his indefinite ban and given him a permanent ban
indefinite and permanent are not the same thing.
@@angus5427 In this context they are synonyms.
Is this a meme or real
@@mostsharksdontattendchurch3790 Not really, Adin ross had an indefinite ban and was brought back on twitch like a month later, which is the essence of an indefinite ban, so indefinite and permenant ain't synonyms here.
Honestly, I like seeing the difference between the two videos that were uploaded about TH-cam with Corry and Twitch with the other guy. One is wholesome and a sweetheart and the other is a prankster which isn't as wholesome and friendly.
The “other guy” right?
Which isn't as wholesome and friendly....I seriously don't know how you people don't evaporate with how cringe you are.
@@layton6202 what? Care to elaborate?
@@jackoplumkin6412 people who say things like that are usually incredibly cringy
@@layton6202 any source?
Can't wait for the follow up "Twitch is done and not only on Twitch."
can't believe Ludwig, Mogul Mail and Jidion edited this video! very good collab
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Right on
When will you learn that twitch is a joke, don't get me wrong TH-cam pretty bad but twitch is a literal joke 🤦🏿♂
@@g_ninja trust Ik
always much love lud ty for the entertainment consistently
Dude, idek how I never subscribed till now. Anyways, love your chats, your realness, and your mic stickers :)
It must feel good being a favorited person on Twitch like they can burn down a whole orphanage and live stream it and Twitch will just laugh with you. It's equivalent to the 'Monopoly Get Out Of Jail Free Card'
She wouldn't have even been banned, if it weren't for that reflection in the window. That reflection is actually what got her the 7 day ban.
Yeah but with her face is on the far right side of the camera and her "bopping", it looked to obvious, you don't even need a reflection
what are you even trying to say?
Honestly it's just sad that there is no conflict that can be resolved absolutely perfectly and big corporations always have a lot of these conflicts as so collect a lot of controversy around them and it's just stays around them. Can't explain that feeling but it's just sad
Ludwig actually making use of his journalism major
I feel like even if jidion gets unbanned he's just going to do something worse and get banned again
Not even the point of the whole thing
Hes said he doesn't even plan to go back to Twitch since he's doing fine on TH-cam, but he wants the best for the platform since he has friends on it.
@@bingus4057 yeah right ... that's bullshit.
Way worse things have happened on twitch and those creators haven't been banned and never will be.
@@KlintKaras well I've seen your previous comments you're obviously just a jidion hater. Have a good life
Lud, Mogul Mail is one of the best ideas youve ever had
Nice to see u reppin la thieves
The thing with this is that Jidion is not trying to get unbanned. He doesn't care about that anymore, so him doing this in "bad faith" is not really true. Even better, he has nothing to lose and because of this he is the perfect fit to be the "anti-Twitch guy". We need someone like him to stand up and cause a lil'bit of chaos for the greater good and hopefully see change from Twitch soon...
The "someone" who decided he's staying banned is HR. Jideon got permabanned because he was a legal liability. If they hadn't reacted by completely removing him from the platform they would be opening themselves up to a lawsuit from Poki. You can't go and blatantly, directly harass one of the company's top performers just days after you sign a contract.
yes but more simply he massively broke TOS. doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.
he did an in person apology with poki and they made up. yes i agree he was wrong but he apologize and they are ok good terms now
Except they could’ve banned him. For a month not to mention the situation resolved itself and he even met poki in real life
@@chom4286 he apologized to poki but she has no say over moderation. he is a massive liabilty to have on the platform even if he apologized
@@dreamshakejunya She didn't hurt or harass anyone. There was no victims. Big difference.
He literally apologized and donated money to a charity a cause. To imply that he doesn't understand why he was banned is crazy
thank god the reflection wasnt clear.. damn
Lol im glad u called both parties out at least.
I think most of the Twitch staff, who are responsible for moderation, see the communities surrounding certain content creators and depending on how toxic said communities and their respective content creators are the moderators are more strict towards the channel/s responsible for said communities, and that I am all for.
I would rather Twitch break their own rules to keep toxic creators and the people said creators attract to Twitch off the platform, rather than just 'let them fly;' the race and gender of these people are irrelevant, it's the kind of people they are and the people they attract to Twitch as a whole that is a problem for Twitch.
It technically would fall under favoritism, but I don't believe the favoritism is always unjustified or without good reason, at least not all the time.
Your saying coomers are less toxic than JIDION's fans?
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 certainly
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 yes, obviously. Go outside some more.
Let me put it in terms you can understand - Simps are less toxic than L bros, incels, hate raiding Twitch chatters - this is obvious. Coomers coom. JIDION fans brigade and harass women the moment their favorite online person WHO THEY DO NOT EVEN KNOW tells them to.
Any NORMAL HUMAN BEING should be able to understand this.
@@BuBornham most simps and coomers ARE incels, have you seen the type of people who comment on porn sites and Twitter? It's like looking at Andrew Tate fans it horrid.
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 "Coomers" aren't that defined of a demographic group my guy. You're thinking about this too hard. The point is, Jidion's fans behave the way they do because of the way Jidion himself behaves. "Coomers" aren't a community you can even do anything about. These things are not comparable.
11:24 "Squeaky cream- uh clean"
Dont ever take anything personal if you haven't shared a meal in their home..
This Gideon guy, it feels like he's trying to get unbanned by attacking, by fear mongering. I hope a person like that never gets unbanned.
U didn’t even watch jidions video 🤦♂️
Uninformed ass comment💀
He said that he didnt want to get unbanned, hes good on yt, maybe old him would want the unban, but now he really doesnt
do you and Charlie just switch who gets to release internet drama videos first? lol was wondering when I'd see this. definitely ridiculous that these companies allow their TOS be regarded anyway they wish at the moment.