COLD Bonus Episode: Justice Delayed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2024
- West Valley City, Utah police needed a break. They were running out of leads after searching for Susan Powell for more than a year and a half. Her husband, Josh Powell, remained the sole suspect in his wife’s disappearance but had avoided being arrested or charged with any crime related to the disappearance.
So, in the summer of 2011, police crafted a plan. They secured court authorization for a wiretap on three phone lines: Josh Powell’s cell phone, his father Steve Powell’s home line (where Josh was then living with his two sons, Charlie and Braden) and Steve Powell’s mobile phone.
The Cold Podcast previously detailed how several significant events during August and September of that year were coordinated by police as “catalysts” for the wiretap. The entire effort was known by the secret codename “Operation Tsunami.” However, details of the actual captured phone calls have never been publicly disclosed.
Until now.
What follows are selected excerpts from the secret Powell wiretap records, obtained and accessed exclusively by Cold.
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This was one of the most impressive series I've ever watched. As a retired senior -- whose life has been filled with voluminous research -- I am glad to have had the pleasure of listening to the details of this sad case.
Take away point: anytime a wife does not feel safe about the husband, just LEAVE. Writing journal might help during post murder investigation but what good would it be when you’re dead. Susan Powell, Shanann Watts, Suzanne Morphew all had indicated they didn’t feel safe with their husband. And we all know what happened.
I think that the problem many of these women feel alone and powerless. And in some ways they are because they have been isolated or the monster has them brainwashed. Susan’s story has help awaken some victims to leave. There a lot of comments of women saying them left after Susan’s story was told.
The time and effort you invest, and the passion for broadcasting and true crime for this gut wrenching case. Good man
I just can't get over a) this case and b) your coverage of all aspects. It would be tremendous to hear you cover the Vallow/Daybel NIGHTMaRe!
@Teresa Gayudice One of my best friend's grandpas was the prosecutor in the Sylvia Likens case, and you're so right: it's a case that Indianapolis as a city has still yet to get over. The obscenity of some crimes just doesn't fade with time.
Literally, even saying the name "Banizewski" aloud publicly in Indianapolis will STILL immediately get you a lot of sad and/or angry looks. My dad visibly shudders when he hears that name.
It's so true what you said- we need to never forget that these victims were complex, flawed, humans...not angels, but humans who deserved SO much better from life. It's heartbreaking.
@Teresa Gayudice ♥️
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You did such a great job reporting on this tragic case. Its haunting. I hope Susan is found soon. 🙏
I wish they could just find her.
She will be in her own time. My friend @thepsychicsleuth did a reading on her as well as @Mypsychicwifemypsychiclife she did a reading and Susan is with her boys and josh is not there with them
Psychic Reverend Donna Seraphina is the one who saw what happened to Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow months before their bodies were found in the same way that she described.
Sloan Bella is also very good.
@@shelby9133 Good grief! Is this an advertisement for a charlatan or what?
Psychics won't find her. If they were not all charlatans they'd have predicted her death and she'd be alive today
@@Annasea666 100% right !
Thank you for this bonus episode. It was extremely interesting as all of these podcasts. You have a great voice and such a passion for this case. You are very appreciated.
KSL should give him a HUGE raise and then they should give him an unlimited budget to produce more cases that are huge and cold. Caylee Anthony, Jon Benet Ramsey, Shannan Watts, Lacy Peterson, etc..... I know some of those are ‘solved,’ but there’s still speculation and questions haunting them.... I know I can’t be the only one who would be interested in having this amazing research journalist take on more cases....
Steve and Josh were evil beyond definition. Neither were very smart and extremely self-centered and selfish. Poor Susan and those precious boys. They deserved love and protection.
Actually josh was smart. So were his sons. The older boy was a genius. So sad
Yes! My goodness....
@@Annasea666 they were smart, but they were stupid, they didn’t use their smarts to improve their life and ended up wasting it. But they were stupid because one brother murdered his wife who was strong, the breadwinner, she could take care of the whole house, manage two kids and would love you no matter what.
Another killed himself and helped his brother cover up the murder. The father is delusional. $ex crazed and ruined his kids lives because he was a sicko.
You can be a genius but if You make the wrong decisions you could screw up your whole life.
I AGREE! CINDY FOX...ALSO, JENNIFER IS A HEROINE!
Thank you so much for this bonus episode! It was *so* exciting to see it pop up in my queue.
Here's hoping that someday soon Susan's loved ones will get at least some of the long-overdue justice and closure they deserve.
Josh is dead. That's justice. Horribly he took their grandsons with him. The older boy was amazingly brilliant. Terrible. Heartbreaking 😢
@@Annasea666 he killed his kids, he stole Susan and kept her far from her kids and family. There was no justice served, the only justice would be if he was postmortem convicted of her murder. He murdered his kids in broad day light in front of a witness.
You did more investigation than the police did on this case. I can't thank you enough for all of ur hard work!! U are telling Susan, Brayden & Charlie's story. Maybe someone can find her body because of your investigation. Thank you Cold
I left with my kids years ago. I was told I'd have to share custody since I had no proof of violence to them. I went to a women's shelter and watched a Hispanic woman have to send her 5 children to visit a man who had mercilessly beaten her repeatedly. But not yet the children. So somehow that meant they were safe with him.
Until they're not.
And since I was now homeless, he might even get full custody.
I agreed to sign over the house, the car, everything, in exchange for custody, with supervised visitation for him. He was drunk and violent every night. I would've stayed if I had to leave them alone with him.
I stayed at the shelter 3 months until I got to the top of the list for housing help.
I tried to make it fun for the kids.
We need a system that sees a dangerous person to the spouse as dangerous to the kids.
We need more help, before people judge those who can't get out, and before we endlessly hear 'there's help.'
The stories I could tell of the hardship we faced, the way people treat you when you're using food stamps. How hard it is to find anybody to rent to you with Section 8 assistance. They think you're not good people to rent to, and there's no law that says they can't discriminate.
I never lived anywhere that I didn't leave better than I found it. Pride maybe. I wanted them to know I wasn't trash.
Steves singing will forever haunt me along with those sweet babies / Susan. Never give up the search for Susan she had to be out there somewhere..Such a tragedy 🥺💔.. great podcast I really enjoyed it. Praying for closure 🙏🏼
🙋I'm here from Profiling Evil. My hats off to you for being so consistent in this case. So sad, I hope they find Susan one day.🥀🌹🥀🌹🥀🌹🥀💔🥀🌹🥀🌹🥀
Police should eventually release those encryptions, and allow 4chan, Reddit, and anyone else to try their hand.
Yep, look what just happened with the Zodiac killer. And from an amateur!
I wish they could find one of those authentic psychics that have helped law enforcement solve many case's.. Or find missing ppl
I can't believe the FBI can't decode messages by dumbass civilians. FBI aint trying
@@Kimberly-rj2sc 😂😂😂😂where are these authentic psychics? On Jerry Springer? 🙄🙄🙄
@@Kimberly-rj2sc "Authentic psychic" is an oxymoron. Psychics aren't real. There has literally never been a single instance where psychic abilities (or anything else pertaining to the so-called "supernatural") have been demonstrated. If you have evidence of such a phenomenon, there is literally a million dollars prize waiting for you via the James Randi Educational Foundation.
Exceptional podcast - very thorough and informative.
Do the Powell's not see or comprehend how stupid and guilty they looked while ALWAYS trying to make themselves look innocent while projecting their guilt onto the Cox's or Susan??
They definitely overplayed their hand in efforts to shift focus away from Josh. Obviously that's what led to the warrant for the eventual house raid and the subsequent chain of events( Steve's arrest, Josh losing custody of the boys, and the murder suicides when he simply gave up)Steve's imprisonment(probably the main cause of his health decline... He died only yr after being released & only seven years after the raid.
The boys swallowed gasoline?! Just when I thought this case couldn't possibly get any worse... 😔
What ????
Gasoline was found in their stomachs. I imagine josh doused them with gas to make sure they'd die in flames--and they swallowed some. Plus Josh used an ax to chop their necks. The social worker heard the boys screaming and crying. They were tortured before being murdered 🥺😱😢
Even after all he did to those babies, it still took another 10-20 minutes before they finally died from smoke inhalation.
Cruel, unusual, horrifically suffering, sick, demented murders by a COWARD!
Same here. It just gets worse and worse.
Those little boys so innocent talking in the background with their adorable little voices, very heartbreaking.
The journals do not represent the person she was at the time of her disappearance, they represent the person she was when she wrote them... in her teens....before she was married or had her children. He was Character smearing because of the flaws in his own character... being a Narcissist and a Murderer.
Yep! My ex was so similar; when he left, he tried to smear me to my family by telling them things I'd told him in confidence about my teenage years.
Luckily, my family already knew. But it's such a dirty, disgusting thing to even think of doing to anyone...let alone your missing wife!!
The journals represent her private thoughts and private self. He practically exposed and took advanced of her most private self. Even if she didn’t like her parents as a kid doesn’t mean she wasn’t just like every other kid who resented their parents as a teen? Susan wasn’t perfect but compared to Josh she was a an angel. It makes sense she would be more stressed out as josh abused her
I laughed when Josh Powell called his dad a "dirty old man" at 50:25 because that is exactly what I thought about Steve Powell.
I was LDS/Mormon and had been bred to believe I shouldn’t leave no matter what, too.
After my husband nearly killed me and I was in my hospital room, my doctor said, “If you don’t leave, the next time I see you you’ll be in a casket.”
I left. My entire Mormon/LDS ward (church) turned their backs on me.
My non-member female friend took me in.
I had to re-learn to write, spell, and read. My friend also married me so I’d have health insurance.
When the church found out, they excommunicated me.
The LDS/Mormon church is anti-family, anti-women.
Kinda like when a cereal says, “now more raisins!” and you think you bought the non-raisin cereal because you can’t find any raisins, yet the box says, “more raisins!”
The LDS/ Mormon church talks about families being number one and women being so special, but they don’t stand behind that.
This makes me feel so sorry for the grandparents! Money doesn’t bring back children and grandchildren! Well done Dave!
Unthinkable 😢😢😢
No it doesn’t, but suing the system and getting that system to lose money will make them act better for the best abused child. And there’s a lot of abused children out there who aren’t being helped.
no doubt the attorneys for the Coxes will appeal the judges ruling.
They did appeal. The case is still pending I think.
@@Annasea666 yes, appeals take time
Should get kelly segler cold case on this! Thank you for all your hard work.#justiceforsusanandherboys
She's a pistol, and a very smart lady..
I love Kelly S. She'd investigate the hell out of this
The police messed this up sooo badly. I'd give anything to find Susan 😔
@Joy Back, well said! Gotta love keyboard warriors who think they know everything!
State was negligent imo
Yup. Found negligent in court and the Cox's won a settlement against them
THANK YOU for your stream/podcast, thoroughly appreciate the work and reach you HAVE
Stalking your daughter in law ~ this is not Love or Romance or Attraction ~ it's bullying, it's antisocial behaviour, it's immoral, unethical, barbaric, he was delusional about her, he knew she wasn't getting atta-girls or hugs or kisses from Josh, he knew she was lonely for comforting gestures, attention from her hubby.
Steve and Josh both control freaks.
If Steve truly loved Susan, he would have respected her position and backed off, let her go.
Time + Distance = kills all attraction. All he had to do, as the grown up, was put a little distance between them.
Even if the pics were not his, how fitting that he had to pay one way or another for what he had done. He was the ultimate coward as always with what he ultimately did. He couldn't "win" and he knew it. He couldn't escape what he did to her.
The day he was heading back home when she disappeared, he probably wouldn't have come back if he found out the police were on to him. He probably would have hurt the boys then along with himself. Those kids had no chance after she was gone. He truly truly angers me. Evil incarnate.
This channel has THE best information on the Powell case. Even better than 20/20 and Dateline. You have covered I think literally every piece of information and evidence there is to be known about this case, and I don’t think there’s anyone that knows more than COLD other than actual detectives/investigators.
Your work is genius keep it up 👍
Steve’s kids always parenting him, even in adulthood. Can’t imagine what a childhood like that must’ve been like.
It's absolutely hell. You never get your needs met, you are treated like an object and used and discarded at will. I could go on and on but believe me it is a painful life that children shouldn't be subjected to.
It doesn't excuse murder
@@Annasea666 not much does.
@@lorimiller4301 absolutely. It’s emotional abuse for sure. I’m sorry if that was your reality. My dad was a different type of narcissistic, antisocial personality, but it also sucked.
@@Annasea666 please remember that he has at least one, possibly two children that weren’t even involved. One that actually took Susan’s side straight out of the gate, and even implicated her own brother to LE. My initial comment was more so regarding Steve’s character. Steve is a criminal in his own right, and is possibly indirectly complicit in Susan’s demise. Their upbringing is not an “excuse” for murder, but I would venture that it is certainly a relevant precursor. There is a fairly obvious culmination of events that created Josh Powell, and helped to shape him into a murderer. I think that can be said of a lot of terrible human beings. You can empathize with a specific situation without sympathizing with the individual.
god the ending of this episode made me cry. those little boys didn't deserve this and it breaks my heart to see just how many warning signs there were
Cold, #1 !!!!👍👍👏👏👏🤗👏
After seeing your interview on East Idaho News, I binge-watched this podcast and read Jennifer Graves’ book all within a couple of weeks. Thank you so much for this bonus episode, I can’t get enough! Please continue to share whatever you can. I know LE has tried, but it is hard to let this story rest until Susan is found. Let’s keep her story alive and hope that someday she can be laid to rest beside her boys. 🙏🏻
I'd never read a book written by a mormon. I might be brainwashed. PS it's an enormous waste of resources to find a dead body. Dead is dead who cares?
Omg.. I was on Facebook reading about a group Susan's friend Kiirsti made for Susan 2 days after she vanished.. As Kiirsti was speaking on this podcast about the Facebook page she made for her friend
Thank you guys so much for this podcast and for keeping Susan name alive ,Stephanie Harlow recommended you guys and wow,I’m so glad,when Susan’s case ends (they find her)and I’m
🙏that they do,will you do another case??🤞🤞🤞,this case was horrible and I really think it could have been solved,just mo ,he murdered beautiful Susan then his kids.pos .ty guys ,sending 💖and🙏to the Powell family I i
Hope Susan is found💔🤞🙏💖🇬🇧
I came here from Stephanie as well. Without her, I would have never found this! She does excellent work as well.
@@lesliechan31 yeah she does hun,Harloween was saved this year and I am so glad!she works so hard and she has such compassion for those involved in the cases.ty step for recommending this pod cast,🙏Susan is found and buried with her beautiful sons,💔😭🙏💖🇬🇧
Stephanie is boring. Srsly? Zero sense of humor. Zero insight. The coffee thing is a total waste of time. NOBODY CARES about your bougie coffee machine. Show off
It's been so long... I really wish there could be definitive closure. Those kids...such a horrible case.
Everyone who might know is dead. Except maybe Alina but I doubt she was in on it. Also John but they'd never trust him --
Josh and his brother had military training to present an image of innocence, but all of the military training couldn't prevent them from committing suicide.
Alena freaks me out she is such a creepy female and I'm sure she was in on it too.
Eleven men one woman on the jury ✌️❤️🇨🇦🌎💪 😡😡😡😡
🤪😜🤣😂🤣😅🤣😂🤣😅
So?
I really love the fact you stick to the facts and evidence at hand, I really pray 🙏 Susan is returned home to her family soon, it's pretty obvious, if she ran away to escape him, she would have resurfaced when he was dead and I also don't believe she would have ever left her boys with Josh in charge.
R u a moron? Of course she didn't run. Josh killed her. Murdered her
There are 2 things I want found before I die. Susan Powell, and MH370. I am also hoping Dave Cawley does an in depth look like this at the Chris Watts case. This is one of the best true crime podcasts out there.
I’m obsessed with Chris watts!!! That would be awesome for Dave to do this!!!
Are Susan's parents still alive?
IM SURPRISED JOSH DIDNT PUT A HIT ON THE COX'S😡
Josh was too cheap to hire a hit man
Just when I thought this case couldn't POSSIBLY get any worse! The boys swallowed gasoline???!!! God almighty!
The part where Josh asks his Dad if he had written about r*ping Susan stood out to me.. Why would Josh even think that he'd write something like that if it hadn't actually happened or Susan hadn't accused him of it?
I think he was asking about r"ping Jennifer.
@@TouchGrass144 Ah, that would make more sense. Ty
Obviously josh was raised with some very destructive immoral ideas and perspectives especially their behaviors towards women. Steve's obsession with his own daughter as a sexual object was very destrubing to me. I almost feel he projected these thoughts and past experiences with Jennifer onto susan. Its as if he was never able to get over those wicked dirty thoughts of his own daughter. Chilling when he even wonders as he reads susans journals and imagining her growing into a woman if her own father was turned on by her as he was with Jennifer. Josh cant even see this behavior as immoral which shows how brainwashed he had been growing up in the powell home. He cannot see that this type of behavior is not acceptable even criminal, instead he dismisses it as oh that just how my dad is.🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯😱😱😱😱😱😖😖😖😖💔💔💔❤ even Charlie and Braden were not human beings they were objects used to hurt the coxes. So sick🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤠🤯🤯🤯🤯
@@flynntaylor5459 Agreed! 🤮
Duh
I have to thank HDSparks for sending me here, he said it was worth it, he was right, I have to watch in between vids of cute animals to keep my brain from raging out on me ❤
Is this one of the bonus episodes that is supposed to be available exclusively on Wondery? Because I literally signed up for a membership on there, just to gain access the bonus episodes that are _exclusively_ available on that website alone. Just trying to figure out if I can cancel it before I get another charge which I shouldn’t have ever been charged in the first place.
This is all your fault.... you just had to be so thorough in your research as well as entertaining in your delivery. So I blame you completely for my insomnia, for my bank account having less than the usual low amount and for my 2nd round of addiction to this case... you should know what you are doing to people with your incredible podcasts! The only thing I hope you will consider, would be to make some videos (you could even post them here on TH-cam) to go along with the podcasts to add visuals for those of us who would appreciate more of our senses being stimulated. Thank you for all of the hard work you have spent to present this information to your listeners. I just wish you would have added Aleena’s interview to the mix.
CANCEL MARK
Excellent
None of the Powell men are the types to work a shovel. Digging holes is hard graft, takes time too, by hand, I should know.
Those chaps didn't dig a hole. Josh too lazy and above manual labour, Steve too weak to lift a shovel, Michael...??? Working a shovel causes blisters and back pain. Any of them mention sore hands? Bad back?
Yes right after she went missing Josh had extremely messed up red chopped destroyed hands. He also had a torn shoulder muscle that was documented in the medical records because he was doing an insurance case when he caused somebody to rear end him on purpose so he could claim that he was hurt for the money
There are two people left who know what happened to Susan's remains. The sister Elina and the brother John. Elina helped Micheal transfer the body up North to ID or OR when Josh went back with the rental vehicle and dug her back up from the shallow grave and passed her remains to Micheal. He was in a panic that they were going to go find the shallow grave it was obvious he put her in by the shovel and rake in the van that were removed with the tarp which her body had lain in on the trip out to dugway area. I even have a suspicion where they took her and wish I could suggest that to someone before the siblings could change that after reading it here.
Did you listen to the entirety of the podcast, orrr…?
@@AllysonStorm Yes and a lot of stuff that I was surprised was not included in the podcast series that seemed to be very important facts.
HeavyDSparks and his team think they just found her in the bottom of a mine shaft in Utah
@@laurachristensen3201 Yeah seen that days ago, I just don't know that its her and they did some things that if it is her may have ruined the chance to prove those two were involved. I think she was burned, pieced and scattered.
Josh sounds literally paranoid like schizophrenia type paranoia. The whole family is so nuts no one recognized it 🥺. He’s smart enough to play sane for an official evaluation
The 🎶 in the beginning of these PODCAST make me feel like crying for Susan and her BOY'S😢😢
This is very interesting and horrific. We only moved to Utah years after the first murder and later the final horror. We live very near West Valley, UT. Such a disturbed, evil, family.
It’s a shame you have to bleep foul language- in a story about all sorts of horrors, we can’t have a naughty word. That’s just too much for tender ears. 🤷🏽♀️
A family of john boys writing in their journals every day.....you are already recording everything on video, so what's the point?
The fact that the 3 powell men are dead and they killed 3 people susan and the boys.. means something.. mean that the life they t9ok they paid with their own and that gotta give even a tiny tiny bit of releif
Charlie and Braden would have been teenagers by now if it wasn't for that messed up family =( . Steve was such a manipulative toxic person, I read that the family has had generations of abuse so Susan was doomed as soon as she got tangled with that mess of a family.
Patriot act....they have everything...✌️❤️🇨🇦🌎💪
He killed her with probably the same hatchet he murdered those poor boys with. He torched her body until it was dust, I'd bet, and then scattered her remains.
I would also bet they overlooked her 😢 multiple times, because they weren't looking for those KINDS of remains.
.... How did you get these summaries??
Thank you for cover in the case, it seem like it’s the last episode of Susan Powell? If so thanks for the ride. It now makes sense of what lead to the tragedy of the kids and why Susan didn’t leave josh, I could never get why she didn’t leave but she really did fear him and with how he cruelly killed their kids. Josh would of hunted her down and killed her in broad day light. I’m not sure if that would of changed things and saved the kids but who knows.
I was thinking that Josh's whole family was bad except Jennifer. Then I was thinking that's not fair what about the other sis and mom...NOW KNOWING HE MADE THEM DRINK GAS AND CHOPPED THEM WITH AN AX AND THE MOM AND SIS WANTED JOSH BURIED BY THEM 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
true. the kids were already "animals" chuck cox said. he said they were wild and hurt each other and other kids. Braden abused animals. they would have ended up josh and steve 2.0
I think Josh's mom was a piece of crap too she didn't even try to fight for the kids she had the whole Mormon church behind her and just let custody go to a known child molester. She also defended Josh and went behind Jennifer's back screwing her over after Jennifer and her husband had been bankrolling her ass for years. Jennifer ended up being her mom's best friend, her mom parentified her and added her as a confidant instead of a daughter. I'm disgusted by Terry Powell
How did the boys manage to swallow gasoline?
Because they were still alive after Josh hit them with the hatchet…?
Hey cold, can you look up Martin Cabello and try to figure out his connection to this story? He might have some huge details.. that would change the way everyone looks at this case.
Interesting. Could you share more?
He's an insane troll
Did police follow this creep and seas the evidence he was disposing in all these dumpsters?
If josh was let to raise the kids they would have been corrupted .... ended up just like him.
Not that the tradegic end of their deaths wasn't horrible
Had the coxs family raised them they would have repaired the damage josh had done to them.
They would have gotten that second chance.
It's just so so sad 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
My dear God.. I know this is HORRIBLE.. But Josh didn't have to let thise babies die such a violent death. Did he want them to suffer.. Did he even care? It's so difficult for my brain to process this whole tragedy as it probably is for everyone else also bless their hearts
You need to remember that this guy is deranged abnormal and a control freak.
Don't even try to understand. He's a freak, as is his whole family. Killers. 😢
Why don't they feel safe? Lying dogs...even Josh said it's messed up what Steven did! RIGHT? BRO MICHAEL? DON'T GIVE A CRAP!
“How do you feel about mommy?”
“I’m happy about her,”
What in the world does Brayden mean by “I’m happy about her!” ????? Happy about what? That she stayed with the pretty crystals? Happy she was in the trunk? Happy she might come back after the snow stops because they think she’s in the North Pole? What is he happy about?!? I’m just racking my brain trying to figure out what they could possibly mean
Josh did his best to brainwash his boys. It was when Charlie started telling the truth that Josh murdered him. Also Braden lay down on a poster of a woman and said "mommy". They missed Susan. All that happy talk was what Josh drilled into them. They were too young to understand mommy was never coming back.
Yeah, dude, having your brother sneak into a closed FB group using a fake profile is *totally* evidence of "harassment" against YOU!
It would be funny if it weren't so nightmarishly horrific and tragic.
Same goes for his being late for such an important court date due to being disorganized and leaving at the last minute without bothering to find directions or check about parking. It would be funny if you didn't know how it all ended.
(FWIW, I've had to appear in court many times during my divorce, and even though I'm often late and not the most organized person I always leave early and have detailed directions. I knew that the court doesn't wait for anyone! But it's really like Josh truly did think the world revolved around him.)
OMG did they finally find Susan? I hope so, the family needs closure.
spooky katt Without a toilet, I'm sure she'll spill *something* ...but, sadly, I doubt it'll be the info on where to find Susan's remains.
I could always be wrong, (and hope I am!) but my sense is that Josh didn't trust Alina enough to share the specifics of that with her.
Nacho Problem Can I ask what your source is for that theory? I've seen a lot of differing ideas, but that's a pretty new one to me.
I do know that it can be nearly impossible to fully cremate a human body, and it takes a *lot* of time and fuel, so I'm really curious what your theory is as to how he managed to accomplish that undetected. He wouldn't have had time to do it during the "camping trip," so it would have had to be after that.
Just to be clear, I'm not being snarky. I know sometimes comments can come off that way, but I'm genuinely curious about all the different theories, and where I can learn more on each of them. Thanks so much- lots of food for thought in your idea!
@spooky katt I don't think Josh and co trusted her enough to with anything helpful to police. they held all women with contempt and thought them weak minded and dumb.
@@maneckineckbeard1749 I think he burnt her to....Didn't that teacher Tara Grinstead get burned ? It took two days to burn her & im not sure but it left no trace pecan wood! maybe it depends on What you use.#justiceforsusanandherboys
Nicola George Ok,TMI I know, but when I was growing up we had family friends who owned a mortuary & crematorium. The dad, Mr. Nelson, always really encouraged me to go to mortuary school. I really liked him and his daughter, so I talked to them a lot about their business.
They told me that it takes a tremendous amount of heat and time to fully destroy a human body. To the point that even commercial crematories don't produce the fine ash "cremains" that most people think they do. In fact, they have special machines which grind up the burnt bones & other remaining material into that fine ash, because what comes out of the crematorium is more like a chunky, gravel texture with recognizable bones. Wood alone evidently takes so long to cremate a body that cremation was outlawed in the UK for years (until gas crematories were invented) because a trend for cremation in the middle ages actually led to widespread deforestation of Britain!
Also, I traveled to India years ago, and was shocked to see that the famous wooden funeral pyres on the banks of the Ganges didn't come near to cremating bodies; only the very wealthy can afford enough wood for that. So most people are only partially cremated, and whatever's left is placed in the river...but so much of the body is often left over that the government of India actually imported snapping turtles from America to "clean up" the river by scavenging.
So, even if Josh used that acetylene torch, it would've been a VERY long, messy, dangerous process. And I just can't see where he would've had the time, since Susan's disappearance was seemingly discovered before Josh had time to fully implement his plans, and so he was unable to get away after that first day for long enough to finish...if that was indeed what he was planning to do. (Sort of like with Chris Watts: neither had time to fully implement their plans for concealing their crimes, because they evidently didn't count on their victims having loved ones who would miss them immediately...)
Again, sorry for the TMI! 🥺
True but sucks
Josh looks like he has rotten breath
Oink
Waiting 🙂
Sorry to say, but Chuck is in this thing for the money. He wasn't crying an carrying on when he was talking about that 100 million dollar verdict. He was giggling an tickled pink about that boy. He was just smitten with the thought of that. Made me sick to hear him laugh an giggle about the verdict. At the same time I can see were after all these years any kind of victory in the death of there daughter would be uforic. Susan was amazing, young, an beautiful. She didn't deserve whatever Josh did, the children were force fed bullshit. What child calls there mother by there first name and not mom or mommy. Charlie would say "Susan was beautiful" an "We can't talk about Susan an camping" smh it's crazy to think what that boy witnessed the night of Dec 7.
I respectfully disagree.