"My mom stayed where the crystals are."
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- West Valley police detective Kim Waelty interviewed four-year-old Charlie Powell on Dec. 8, 2009 about his missing mom, Susan Powell. Charlie told a confounding story about camping, Dinosaur National Park, airplanes and beaches. Detectives used information Charlie provided to confront Susan's husband, Josh Powell, who was at the same sitting for an interview with detective Ellis Maxwell.
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"Are you hungry?"
"YES!"
"Can you tell me about Smores?"
WTF lady?
Why is he being interigated?
@@jeffreypaul22 // because his daddy killed his momma.
Right?!
@@jeffreypaul22 his dad killed his momma and then he ended up killing himself and these two little baby brothers. 😭😭😭
@Hotsam Noirchards Didn't you hear him?
It was 3:00 PM, he hadn't eaten since the night before and even then, he'd only had Smores.
That's not real food with nutritional value.
It could have been over 24 hours since he'd had a good meal.
Get a heart, ice queen!
I'm glad to see everyone else is as po'd as me for not taking off his coat and getting him something to eat --
If you talk to one of my four-year-old grandsons like that like he was two he would tell you I'm a big boy
Yes the 4year old didn't eat anything today no breakfest no nothing an she just stood there like a idiot anybody would know 4 year tells a stranger there hungry that mean his starving .This is so f up this the kind of people that are police omg what a joke she over heard
These people are more worried about their paycheck than any human.....let alone a child. As soon as Charlie told her he didn't eat today that was my very same thoughts exactly. She could also be too worried he would be too distracted from the food more than telling his story. Common sense tells you that children get cranky when they are hungry. The brain needs food in order to think and function. LORD knows if I don't eat breakfast first thing in the morning I get cranky so people better stay away from me at that point....lol.
@@hollzie7348 No. 1 -- I love your name -- we missed my cat's appt. to get spayed due to quarantine, and she got out and 3 wks ago had four little kittens -- all boys !! But they are so cute -- we've got homes and as soon as they have space for us, she's getting nipped -- but -- I cannot agree with you more -- on everything you said -- I didn't even think about his brain not working without food -- also on this channel there is another video several weeks later where he told his teacher his mother was in the trunk -- and she just pushes him and gets angry with him -- his father has him so regimented, his only focus was on doing his homework -- I don't remember the time, but he kept saying: it's 4 o'clock, I have to do my homework -- well, at least he's with his mom and the angels and his father can't hurt him anymore --
Totally agree🙄!!!
1) FOOD 2) COAT 3) QUESTIONS 4) CHANGE YOUR TONE. HE IS INTELLIGENT. 😲
Lule Melgarejo he WAS intelligent. His father killed him, the baby brother and himself because he knew he was caught onto.
@@retalbtaylor370 😢So sad. Rest In Peace little angel 🌿🕊🌿
Lule Melgarejo even the way she is sitting ... personally even as an adult & working with children & young women is crisis all my life ... I wouldn’t ever sit like I’m higher than you ... she should of made him feel comfortable ... get him food ... even a banana & water, ask him if he would like to take his jacket off & talk to the child at his eye level ... & yes change her tone ... poor baby 😔
Oh Charlie....sweet boy. You deserved so much better. I hope you, your brother, and your mum are surrounded by beautiful crystals, beaches, palm trees WITH coconuts, and flowers. And I hope your arms surround each other with love. RIP
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RIP Lil 😇.
They are. 💜
😭😭😭😭😭so despicably sad
And giraffes and dinosaurs and everything pure. 💔
He is a smart little dude. He was hungry. They should have got him some food.
Jo Ann Schlicker that’s exactly what I thought, when he said he hadn’t eaten and was hungry she should have got him something poor kid, he probably would have given more info with food in him, the lady cop obviously doesn’t have kids, I would say it’s immediately a woman’s instinct to make sure a child is fed, clothed, etc etc....
I agree he might have given more info
@@jacquelinecarle2908 Hell, as a parent I would've given him a little something to tide him over at least....
I thought the same but have read a comment that defence may claim it's coercion
@ravencrone56 ya. He wasn't a criminal. Maybe evidence? There was also a concentration argument.
Sad part though he and his brother were still killed by their dad not long after this and mum was never Found
She is talking to him like he is 2yrs. old. Making him comfortable should have been her first concern. Maybe giving him a drink and snack and having him take his jacket off would have been nice.
Then she would be seen as a caregiver a mother or father figure. She is trained to get down to his level so he feels comfortable.. appearing as a child or playmate rather than an adult figure. Also she cannot serve food and hinder his focus. He isn’t starving or in any pain or distress. There’s nothing wrong with how she conducted herself in fact she did exactly what they are trained to do.
At the same time the law is the law and everyone has to follow it. It upsets me so many innocent professionals are blamed or called incompetent when they couldn’t do anything at that time. The only one to blame is the father and that’s it. They gave supervised visits. Not a drop off and walk away.... you can’t just take someone’s kids by law without a ruling from judge so they did what they could and had it supervised. He had that right as the father.
It’s a horrible situation but no one else is at fault here but the dad. He would have got them anyway he could sooner or later. He knew they seen too much and the longer it went on the more he thought about killing them to save his own ass but then decided to die right along with them which to me is disturbing as hell
If I want to die I’ll go die but to kill two small innocent babies tbat fresming loves you so so much ... ugh / he did it so cruelly too take cones life while the other watched the beating and then the fire while that poor supervisor is going into a massive panic attack on 911 and being told it’s not serious enough. The dispatcher didn’t understand what she was saying because she was in so much distress right before the fire... she didn’t even know the address she was at she was so upset for those kids when they got snatched in. God can you imagine her nightmares?! :(
Also any evidence he tells can be thrown out if she feeds first they could argue she bribed him with the food
Amanda Roman I’m easily bribed with food 👍👍
@@amandaroman3471 that is not true at all. feeding a hungry child is not construed as any "bribery". That's ludicrous.
Yea a 4 year old doesn't have the awareness to even decide to lie about something for food or not.
He clearly wants his coat and boots off. He is to hot. He is hungry too . Could you help him , Lady!?!?
My guess is she has cats, not kids 😕. Poor little fella.
My thoughts exactly.
So sad. I see this little one was killed by his father 2012. A missed opportunity to save his and his brother's lives was missed here in 2009. 💧💧💧💧💧💧Why not make this child comfortable!? We can only imagine the horrors he has been through. I hope this woman is no longer working with children.
Whem she was gone I thought she was going to get him something to eat.
@Freddie Boom Boom Washington yeah
I used to work in child welfare as an investigating caseworker. One time I met with a young boy at school (elementary) and brought him lunch because the only time and place I could interview him was at school during lunch. It was an arrangement I'd made in advance with the principal. I ended up taking custody the boy and his older brother and opening a civil court case. My documentation of his interview included providing him lunch because I thought it was important to demonstrate I wasn't preventing him from having a meal. The parents' attorneys had a field day with that and claimed I used a happy meal from McDonald's to bribe the kiddo to say what I wanted him to say. There are so, so many nuances to interviewing little kids.
That's because children shouldn't ever be interviewed like this and u probably did bribe that little boy ! Wanting to like ur working soooo hard!!!!!
@@elizabethrios7759 what about when the parents are abusive and neglectful.. how do you help children
@@elizabethrios7759 just an fyi.. the father of this young man killed not only the mother but little Charlie, his little brother and himself 3 years later.. had they been able to remove the child from the home he would be alive today.
@@elizabethrios7759 "wanting to like your working so hard".. um what?
U dud what you cud to be of assistance. There’ll always be someone or persons in disagreement w/your protocol. Everyone isn’t that concerned w/Children’s welfare. When I worked @ a community preK, I often had to provide food for the 4 & 5 yrs olds as well as some parents. Some of them did not hav a healthy meal @home in AM. We started a community garden & cooked some of th vegetables for children & parents. Th owner of Bldg when I explained that kids were hungry provided eggs & sliced meats 4sandwiches. Generosity is often reciprocated in the Universe by others.
Children know when they are being talked down to..... He was hungry, why wasn’t he given food?
Then the defense attorney can say the police persuaded the child to say what they wanted to hear by food.
4 year olds don't know they're being talked down to. what are you, goofy? You want her to stop what she's doing and take him to McDonald's for a Happy Meal ? Shrs trying to find a murderer . She trying to find Charlie's mom. let her do her job.
Yes they do. Especially the gifted ones, and inassume he was based on what ive "ssen". On podcast, i heard Dr.Hanley (the psychiatrist) being interviewed. Trivia: Josh's IQ was 128. Thats very high...95%+ percentile.
I know, even hard up criminals are offered food and water.
@@jh-is8nq well see, here's the thing, he's hungry so get him something to put in his belly, make him comfortable to continue questioning when he's no longer preoccupied with hunger. It's not rocket science..........smh
This lady doesn’t know the first thing about talking to a child needs detective Olivia Benson
Facts!!!!!!!!!!! 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Exactly!!
EVERYONE needs Olivia Benson !
@Hotsam Noirchards Ha!
You know Olivia Benson is not real and she totally question kids wrong she lead them which is wrong her way of questioning was to ensure that you had a good show and make sure you catch the killer that wasn't the correct way to question a child I mean this lady's more horrible but let's be real and smart
He’s a guest, you make a guest comfortable. I hate her sing song voice. Talk normal, you’re not a Disney princess, even those voices are nails on a chalkboard.
Then dont listen.
Oh there you are...had trouble finding you again. PLEASE CINDY, I BEG your forgiveness for my hasty reply to your comment. Especially since you are 100% right. I just barely started watching, reading comments & i thought "she's just trying to be on his level.like an animated princess in a movie. She knows what she's doing. She's a trained pro". This woman is THOROUGHLY& HORRENDOUSLY INCOMPETENT!!!. I saw the subsequent interview, too. Unbelievable!!!
@Freddie Boom Boom Washington 0
even a child could cringe at her fake interest
Terri Baird njb(
Just a few questions that should have been asked.
1) Was mommy in the van. 2) Where was she in the van? 3) Was mommy awake while in the van? 4) Was mommy sleeping in the van?
WTF, Why ask if he's hungry? The reasoning for that question? FYI, when a child says they're hungry, FEED THEM .....SMH
Shame on her for not making him comfortable and assisting him with taking off his coat. You don't ask someone if they're hungry or thirsty with no intention on giving them anything when they give you a yes answer. 🙄 Especially a child. She needs better training for this kind of work. She probably doesn't get to many house guests if this is the way she is. Obviously a horrible host. Children in any situation where they are unfamiliar and they are having to deal with difficult circumstances they should be accommodated with age according accommodations to keep them happy and busy and not uncomfortable and hungry or thirsty. Always put yourself in the child's situation and mindset. It doesn't take you to be a parent or a genius or even highly educated or anything. It's about courtesy and common sense. She should be reprimanded for not getting him something to eat after he told her yes that he was hungry and that he didn't have any breakfast. Not turn around and ask him if he had a damn cookie!!🙄🤦♀️😡😤😢. I would have did whatever I could to get him something to eat or snack on immediately. Even if it was getting on the phone and having something delivered and paying for it myself.
Still sick the focus is on one meal and not the fact they had to go back to the abuser. The fact they weren’t fed along with the case existing was not enough to save those kids from all the abuse they received alone with having to live with their grandfather who sexually attacked kids and there were multiple instances where people witness outburst towards the kids and nothing was done. In later interviews kids have food and all the bs you was and they chose to lie for him and were groomed and trained. One meal is nothing when compared to the life the had to live after their mother who actually cared for and about them was gone. But of course your outraged about one meal when they had that and choose to lie for him. And had to stay in the abuse and were finally away but the stupid judge forced them to have visits and now here we are they are gone forever. One meal is nothing when they were forced to live with that monster. The fact the was not and still thanks to people like you being used against the father is ridiculous. How they handled it honestly does not matter because at the end of the day those kids had to go back with that monster because of a public concerned with eating and not the fact they had to be with a monster.
I hate this woman and her sing song condescending voice ugh 😡
That judge should lose their license including this idiot interrogator and anyone know what happened to pedophile grandfather?
whistling dixie rrr unfortunately I think he’s out of prison but I’m not sure.
I realy don’t like the way she talking to him he’s a kid not a idiot and get him some food 😡😡😡
They are trained to talk to children lmao I’m sure she’s doing her job to standard
It’s super annoying.
That’s what they are trained to do. She needs him to focus on the questions and she’s also going to his level. She wants him to feel comfortable as if it’s another child and not an adult. Giving food can also give the effect of a motherly figure instead of a playmate... and as I said chomping away on food will hinder the entire process as he won’t be as focused on her but rather the food. He isn’t going to perish after 25 minutes. Ya know these guys are professionals believe it or not there’s a reason for everything they do and how and why. It’s sad when a child passses everyone points fingees all over and the only one to blame is the father.
@@amandaroman3471 that is not at all how child interviewers are trained. there was vital information lost because of the way that interview was handled. That poor child.
Isn't it illegal to question a child's on their own under the age of 16. Poor little boy he's so confused so telling the woman anything to get out and get food. This is so wrong.
Why is she not offering for him to take his coat off. Hes clearly uncomfortable
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Possible evidence?
Ikr?? Offer to take his coat and get him something to eat lady! Geez!!!
@Hotsam Noirchards it was eveeeentuaaally. But that should have been taken care of (& something to eat,) right away.
Maybe it is because he knows what his father did. And spoiler alert later the father ends this kids and his brother's lives.
He’s such a good little boy, he doesn’t bother anything in there. He’s a sweet boy I can’t imagine hurting little kids, he’s so little & smart. Hope she gives him something to eat.
Goes right to the hidden microphone. What a smart kiddo.
Right? He said he hasn't eaten all day ffs.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 I know that broke my heart. Sweet little boy & he kept telling that lady where his mom was sleeping, with the crystals.
He looks so uncomfortable in the jacket and shoes ! He's a sweetheart and doing a great job for 4 !
You know that this child & his brother are dead?
I've seen adult murderers get more consideration than this innocent young boy.
Same!! They’re given a drink and food. This is disgusting. He was a small boy.
She is asking canned questions just to get answers. Her tone makes me sick. The least she could have done was get him something to eat when he said he was hungry. What a negligent *itch
Legally children don't have any real.protection they are actually considered property. No joke. Government is only concerned with keeping them in the most economically beneficial situation to themselves. I took the certification course as a mandated reporter and intervention can only really happen after physical abuse has actually occured and then that being substantiated is another obstacle.
Police give suspects food and drink so they can get their DNA and giving coffee makes you pee and therefore uncomfortable and more likely to answer questions,it's a well known interrogation tactic.
This is an evidential interview. In that situation there are rules a about your interaction with a child. Yes he could have been given food prior to going into the interview but once in there giving him food can be seen as coercion. Similarly, doing something as seemingly innocent as helping a little boy take his coat off can be considered as prompting or suggesting he talk about when another adult took his clothes off.
You have to be so very careful when interviewing children. I hope this help people understand that what is done is for a reason.
Girl I agree with u
Actually compassion is natural occurring it has nothing to do with running an interview...BY THE BOOK.
Finally someone said it!!
@@athenatheshewolf just like you eh? who also knew it?
You are absolutely correct.
She should have gotten him something to eat immediately
I wouldn't leave a child hungry if he or she said that they were hungry. I would have got up and got that baby something to eat.
She's a dingbat.
I am in complete SHOCK over this monster the reporter it sorry I can't bring myself to call her a woman she's a MONSTER and it's obvious it(she) has no heart and no compassion in my opinion after he said that the last thing he ate was smores the night before he's really a smart articulate little boy so SWEET and SMART i really hope and pray that social services take this sweet little boy and if he has any brothers or sisters that they are taken away from them and placed together in one home because if he isn't I don't see a good outcome he's so SWEET to EXTREMELY SMART I am in complete shock that the reporter didn't immediately get him something to eat especially after she knew he had smores to eat for dinner the night before my heart is breaking for this SWEET innocent little boy.
Lydia Diego Charlie and his brother were taken by social services while the police were investigating the disappearance of their mom, with the dad bein the suspect. They allowed the dad a supervised visit with his sons & he locked the social worker out of the house, then blew up the house killing himself & his 2 boys. Very very sad. Dude was a piece of shit
@@adamgetzendanner worthless POS
Rest in Playfulness sweet, Charlie !!! I’m so glad I met you through this video munchkin. You were a good, big boy. I’m sorry you went through so much dear soul 💕🧚🏽♀️🔆
I thought she was going to stop the interview and get the poor little guy some food. What a creep.
me too
@Mar~Bear good point but his dad is in the other room she could have asked him or called the police station to find out if it's not the same building
She ask if he was hungry? Obviously he was , the lady just went on like she forgot . Poor babe RIPsweetness. 🙏🧸
Yeah, poor kid. Then she leaves him alone forever.
@Mar~Bear Cant she just look at his file,making up stuff thats not true..Child Welfare id dirt..takes less then 5 mins to look his that little boys file.
She'd better be ordering him lunch while he's left alone.
Omg wtf
@Freddie Boom Boom Washington Omg that evil monster of a father. R.I.P little ones with mummy. All in Gods care now. Hell for him.
RIP little man, you are a beautiful soul.
What happened to hom
What happened to this little boy?
The whole time I was watching this I couldn’t help but think he didn’t have long too live and I was sick to my stomach. Prayers for Peace for you and your little brother 🙏🏻. I am so sorry this happened to you
@Lynn Cameron They didn't keep the children with child protective services? If the dad was a suspect and the children's grandparents were monsters too then why didn't they keep the children safe? The father wasn't feeding them, he was a monster.
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I am only 6 minutes in and I am crying my eyes out. He is so sweet and so innocent, he doesn't even understand the severity of the situation. The poor baby hasn't eaten all day and was hungry. I can't finish this.
This boy found the microphone when the interviewer left the room? Smart kid!
That impressed me beyond belief
I liked hearing his little voice talking into it. This is the first I've ever heard of this case. I see from the comments he is going to die. Very very sad.
@@kellylarsen9149 ...a lot to learn and improve our system of how to protect the innocent ones. 🙏
Why is he going to die?
@@tinasauberspencer7200 ...please watch the rest of COLD episodes: murder suicide.
These boys were literally failed at every turn, almost by everyone. I’ve cried over this story so many times. 🙈😭
Tears in my eyes watching him. He's so smart and well behaved for a 4 year old, and he's witnessed so much already. These are the last recorded videos of this traumatized little boy trying to make sense of what is happening, so heartbreaking.we know how the story ends, rest in peace Susan, Charlie and Braden.😢💔
Miss Tabitha's Nails this is the first video I’ve seen of this story. Where did this happen?
Itsme 23 This happened in Utah. I’m from MA and the story was very widely covered. It’s a heartbreaking story, be ready to cry. 😭🙈
It happened 2009-2012 with the disappearance of Susan, then the boys and the monster. As far as i know this is the first release of the video of little Charlie. There is a podcast called "cold" i haven't started listening yet.the whole case is so sad.
Very sad
I can't believe she left the room and came back with no food very neglectful .
Pretty sure that might just be for observation to see what happenes once an interviewer removes themselves from the area. If people think they are by themselves....they get more comfortable
I can't believe his parent or guardian whose job it actually is to feed him did not. Also FYI this kid and his brother die at the hands of the father that is more neglectful and harming than not getting a snack from someone who does not even have the job of feeding you.
@@bella14708 I see you deleted your comment! Well aren't you a big girl! Now don't bother me. I won't see your comments. You are blocked.
Is this the case that the father killed himself and that baby while protective services was out front
@@marleneglamworld1452 Yes, it is. The Susan Powell case
What a precious little boy. The way this story ended was tragic and infuriating, but it calms my soul to know that he, his brother and his mother are in a better place today. His monster father may have taken their earthly lives, but their souls live on.
The dad ended up killing this little boy not long after this interview. I can't believe they sent this little guy into danger after he told them what he saw happening to his mama! Talk about incompetent!
It was three years later. Very sad.
Omg idk that😪😪poor baby😪😪😪
I know and it was supposed to be a spervised visit but he shoved the lady that was supervising out of the door and she tried to get in even called the police but he blew the house up... Aweful!!
Ohhh myyyy gawwwwd you just stabbed me in my heart 💔💔💔💔💔. Im not at all familiar with this case. Auughhh 😥😭
Say what?
For four years old, this boy seemed very bright. I sure as hell didn't know what a microphone was at that age. Tragic story
She doesn't give him a snack, she doesn't take off his coat and heavy boots. Then she asks the most inane questions. Really poorly trained for dealing with children.
@Shane Maritch Charlie and his younger brother were killed by their father in 2012.
Teresa Rodgers Where did you read or hear that? That’s horrible.
Danylle Edson the officer seems to have no experience communicating with children and zero empathetic capacity. I’m wondering if there’s a specific police-type reason she offered no food, or if he wanted to take his coat or boots off. No matter it is painful to imagine him having to be hungry or uncomfortable especially right then.
Teresa Rodgers I had never heard of this. I don’t watch news. That is the most terrible thing I can imagine. My heart just opened up for him the minute he spoke-what a beautiful child and such a tragic loss.
@@pienpien2 On February 5, 2012, Joshua killed himself and their two young sons, Charles Joshua (b. January 19, 2005) and Braden Timothy (b. January 2, 2007), in a murder-suicide after custody of the boys had been awarded to Susan's parents, Charles and Judy Cox.
This is one of the little boys that died in an explosion/fire started by their father. What an absolutely tragic horrible case! More children failed by child and family services :-(
That's not all he did. He attacked both boys with an ax, doused them in gas, along with the rest of his house and blew it all up.
@@PittsburghSportsFan35 OMG.
Ohhh. THAT CASE. How the courts failed those little kids!!! The judge who granted maniac dad visitation should be UNELECTED AND NEVER be allowed to sit as a judge in family court EVER!
@@ranakeen9884 I absolutely agree!
I think you meant to say The Sanctioned Peda-file Express. Child services took my friends child for taking her cell phone away, she later was murdered by her foster dad after months of sexual abuse. This was in Acton, Mass.
10:59 "It's fun to.... sit in here. A beach has that tree. A coconut -- a coconuts come down. And a MICROPHONE GOES RIGHT HERE..."
Bless his sweet little heart...such innocent, and adorable, thoughts going through his mind...
Kid is hungry is where I stopped listening, feed him and take off his coat and boots, jeeze. You are qualified HOW WITH KIDS. ??? Please lady, get your head on straight.
Definitely! I wouldn’t want to talk to her myself! How degrading to be spoken to like an idiot!! This woman is in the WRONG job!!
How do you know food isn’t coming?
Food Critic Nomask because she didn't go tell someone to get food or tell the kid food was on its way.
Lucky U it’s just a job for these morons. That’s a little baby, who’s hungry, they don’t think of being compassionate.
WOW he said he was hungry & didn't eat today. She should have made him comfortable told him take off his coat & boots. Once he said he was hungry she should have seen if there was something she could get him for snack. Instead she dismissed it, brushed over & kept on talking
I got so upset as here the child said he had not eaten all day and its 3pm and she just continues. No offering the poor child something. I couldnt get passed that. grrr to the interviewer who ever she is !!!!
Not only is she ignoring fact he's hungry, she could also offer to help take off his jacket as he is obviously warm and can't seem to get it off himself.
Her Shadow Really? I could suggest that in truth it’s your poverty of mind that is being revealed.Someone was just showing some compassion
for the child .To reply with your semantics and insulting tone says so much more about you and your inadequacies.
You really need to take a step back, go back over the comments where others have talked about why she COULD NOT DO THAT.
I fell in love with this baby. When I learned the outcome I cried for weeks! It devastated me... God bless his soul! And his mother and brother. RIP sweet Charlie ❤❤❤
Get help. Y would u be so devastated & cry for 3 wks?? I'm assuming you didn't know them personally so that's pretty abnormal & unhealthy
Why on earth his father wasn't charged, or at LEAST had no access to the boys? This case was handled so terribly.
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Agreed listen to the Podcast "Cold" the head detective was a complete moron
His dad was charged for underage porn. Spent two years In Prison and died 12 days after In a hospital. But he couldn't be charged in the case because just like Josh. They didn't have any proof, they could only theorize and you don't arrest someone on theories (circumstantial evidence) because if they're acquitted then it doesn't matter if you find the smoking gun or proof or even if they confess. They cannot be recharged because of a fifth amendment which is basically double Jeopardy. Similar to the O.J Simpson case.
@@HaveAGoodDayFk.U
Correction/ clarification, the child porn offender was Charlie’s grandfather, the father of Josh Powell, Charlie’s father.
Cuz lawenforcment in the united states is soooo fcking bad.
Cuz she real doesn't care about him just the case.
so you know her personally? you know her thoughts? some really unintelligent comments on here LOL
@@bellakatherman1477 it's a common sense thing...you may not understand.
I can’t believe how long the interviewer left him alone! Clearly incompetent- I understood what he was saying about Debbie and Day Care, but she doesn’t acknowledge.
Even murder suspects are given a soda or water, but not a 4 year old?
They were observing him without his knowledge to see how he acts when he's alone. They do it quite often.
Exactly! He even stated at the beginning of the interview that he was hungry & hadn’t had anything to eat all day!!!!
I keep getting Déjà vu
Christie Foreman how many times are you going to copy/paste?
I was just thinking...What about Debbie?
When a child comes before a judge in a custody case with overwhelming evidence from the other parent, CYS, police, etc and the judge dismisses the evidence, they should be held accountable. Until this happens children will continue to be abused and killed. Someone needs to monitor these judges who are so far removed from the abusive reality of what some of these children go through that all they can think about is reunification..no matter what.
The dad should have been diagnosed. Effectively and not be giving any kind of visitation he was a monster in the making and no one could see it it takes the right therapy to no you are dealing with a monster he was a monster no one could see this it probably would have fool me too hurt people will in most part hurt people in this case his own family how sad god bless thanks
Why didn't she help this child take off his coat, so he could concentrate better. Poor baby. And, maybe, offer him some peanut butter and crackers; he is hungry.
In the UK we have specially trained investigators to deal with children, but maybe they thought feeding him might jeopardise what info they could glean . He was safe at this point - it was the courts that let these children down .
I think they wanted him to be completely focus on the questions. They hopefully feed him after.
@Freddie Boom Boom Washington How sad, I don't know the story. Very sad.
It’s her job to keep him focused and she needs to be at his level so she tries to appear more child like rather than a caregiver adult. There’s a reason she does what she does. He isn’t in any distress or in any pain. Food would take his focus away and see her as someone like a mom rather than another playmate... it’s important to note though had he said he’s starving or hungry or things like that and they would be given food obviously so they aren’t in any distress at the time of the questioning... she has to make him comfortable and relaxed which is what she did. It’s her job. Not to care for his personal needs. Sounds mean but it’s for the greater good
@Freddie Boom Boom Washington can you tell me more please?
I'm fascinated by how intelligent he is. While he's waiting he is talking to himself, describing things, figuring things out. It says so much about how Susan (and Debbie) talked to him and taught him. He's so amazing!
amazing how different our interpretations were. to me it seemed like a bunch of incoherent nonsense, babbling and non-sequiters. pythons, crystals and flowers, oh my!
@@ccole1255 I have a degree in Early Childhood Education and have worked with his age for 20 years. I was teaching preschool at the time he was killed. He could have been in my class.
Charlie remembered accurately what he did last night (go camping) and he explained that camping is when you make smores. He described it as a graham cracker, marshmallow, chocolate, and another graham cracker. This is amazing and accurate detail!! Of course, he mentions being in a plane and going to Dinosaur National Park. After seeing other material about this case it seems like he might have mixed up some details, which is typical. Kids always said they did stuff "yesterday" when it was really last week or last Christmas. My students have told me their grandma lives at the airport and that bananas grow at Starbucks. Makes sense - that's where they have seen those things.
When the researcher leaves the room, Charlie says "A Beach has that tree with a coconut". He looks for coconuts. As he is talking to himself he is thinking out loud and you can hear his thought process. He explains where the microphone is and how it works. He talks about pulling something out and putting it to the left - tissues? Maybe there is a trash can next to the table? Next he is looking at the giraffe painting and says the giraffe has two eyes. This is significant because the picture is a side profile and he can only see one of the mother's eyes. He understands reality and object permanence because he knows the eye is there, even though he can't see it.
It's easy to think kids are talking nonsense, but sometimes they just haven't learned all the words yet. One time we were talking about fast food restaurants and my nephew, who was 6, asked about the one with the foot on the sign. We had no idea what he was talking about but after more information, we realized he meant Chik-fil-A! Of course, the C on the sign is a chicken, but look at it - you can see why it might look like a foot! He really did know what he was talking about. We just had to listen and figure out what he meant, then it made perfect sense! As he grows, he will get better at describing things.
Because I have followed this case, I know that Josh liked to hunt for crystals in the mountains. He was part of groups of people who were interested in these geodes or crystals and he would take his boys to some of the meetings. Josh once told acquaintances that the best way to dispose of a body would be to throw it into a mine. There were a lot of mines near where they went "camping" that night. The area was searched but many of the mines are flooded or unstable and impossible to search. Charlie knew about crystals. I also suspect he saw a lizard either on that trip or another one and his parents talked to him about it. Lizards are related to pythons. Maybe he liked snakes? My step-nephew went through a "green anaconda" phase.
I think it's fascinating how Charlie understands things. This tells me that his mom (and daycare worker) would talk to him and read to him to help him understand the world that rationalize things.
I love your observations!
Bless his heart. He is really patient and thoughtful.
He is really an amazing little one... I just can’t believe what happened to him...
And if this is a room where kids are interviewed then should have kid sized furniture & paper & pencil for them to draw story of what happened. Duhh? Especially if kids are 4 yrs old.
Absolutely.
This was a room quickly provided!! People need to stop judging on things they're not trained in!
Susan raised this boy very well. So tragic that he and his brother has to both suffer horrific deaths as well.
What about the rights of the child? How about meeting his basic needs BEFORE ‘questioning’ him... he needed something to eat and drink!
Freddie Boom Boom Washington he was alive when his basic rights were ignored...
Offering anything, including food, could provide a means to discredit the entire interview. Nothing that can be considered coercion can be done.
OMG investigator leaves & comes back without any food. Are u serious. She needs to be fired!
She didn't even reassure him that she'd get him food soon. Why wouldn't they have some crackers and cookies and ,juice boxes at a juvie justice place? It's weird. She also talks to him like a baby. All the toys are babyish too. Not even a hot wheels. How un-four-year-old-boy-friendly a place.
@@dynodish
Someone commented that the interviewer did not offer him or bring him food because it could have been interpreted as a reward for information. I'm hoping someone will comment on whether or not this is true.
www.cvsa1.com/interviewing-and-interrogation/a-guide-to-protecting-the-rights-of-minors-during-the-police-interview-process/
safeinmyheart1 I was thinking that HAD to be the reason he isn’t offered anything. Not even assistance with his coat. I feel sure anything could later be misinterpreted as guiding him to give information. That’s the only thing that makes sense. That or she is a total moron!?
Laureen Conroy Thanks for sharing this. It gives some insight into what she did right as well as wrong. Appreciate it. 🙂
This is the most heart breaking interview I have ever seen, Charlie is so cute and bright. When he was left alone he was wo well behaved, I agree with Tina Muro comments about his mum knowing what was to come and saying goodbye and wanting her children to have a happy final memory of their Mummy, imagine the stregnth and love for her children that took. R.I.P Susan 💛🙏
I have just read updates on this very sad story. How awful! my prayers and love to the family left behind🙏. The only comfort is that Susan, Charlie and Braidon are together may they Rest In Peace. 💗💙💙
I ve never seen this and to listen your conclusion to his Mom knowing and then trying to comfort him oh breaks my heart right along w seeing how out of touch this Social Worker is .This could of potentially been a very revealing conversation but you must put yourself in that child's shoes and listen not hurry and patronize .
Exactly what I was thinking! She didn’t want to scare them in my opinion. So sad.
Who is Tina Munro? Sorry I've just come across this case
OMG she KNEW what was coming.
Protected the boys to the end.
It's tremendously sad what happened to these two little guys at the hands of their supposed protector. I hope they find Susan and may she RIP with her lil' men. Be safe out there cuz not all monsters wear masks.
If you wait tou will see it's not on later in the clip.
I just wanna feed him and help him take off that coat and hug him tight and tell him how smart, and brave and what a good boy he is. Breaks my heart.
I know.
and his pathetic ass father killed the entire family
Hearing him describe in detail what s'mores are made of because he was so awfully hungry made me tear up for real
You're acting like the kid was starved for days before the interview.
As others have explained in previous comments, giving him food during the interview could've been misconstrued as bribery by Josh's attorneys.
@@kingayy9267 really don't care what other comments said. If I did I would have my comment in their comment section. That's how the entire comment section works here. It's kinda pathetic that you have such a problem with my comment that you had to post yours. Especially when you consider that all my comment consists of is a desire to help a defenseless child, who was basically orphaned and hungry. You might not have any comprehensive ability for compassion or empathy, but others do. Being without breakfast, lunch, or dinner he's very hungry. It's not a nice feeling especially when you are unaccustomed to the feeling. And since you are actually willing to justify it bc some comment said something, they could easily have fed him beforehand. Then done the interview. Cognitive function decreases with lack of nutrition. It's also makes it easier for you to think and remember when you're not distracted by an empty stomach.
Where the crystals grow....he’s talking about a CAVE!!!
Absolutely. I will have to look up that park. I live in Utah and it's ony 3 hours away. I thought Josh said he went to the west desert.
Another POLICE MORON
Or a mine. I'm. Thinking he put her in there and poured cement.
@Esther Smith definitely NOT a mom!
That's my thought.
When Charlie climbed up to see if the tree had coconuts my heart broke. 🙁
Omg, "Debbie is not so nice," and then he tells her it's his babysitter. My heart just dropped. Omg, she's leaving him now, but I'm surprised why she didn't ask him right then what makes him say that Debbie isn't nice while it was fresh on his mind. Hopefully she'll ask when she comes back. Lol him speaking into the microphone is soooo adorable.
So heartbreaking that this darling, intelligent little boy is no longer alive. He seems like a really bright kid.
What happen to him?
@@ginacuro7923 th-cam.com/video/x5cQ-ZOaFj0/w-d-xo.html
I watched this not knowing the story and was so upset to find that he had been killed with his brother, how awful 😢 their poor momma too 😔
The reason Charlie gave a “confounding” account of events is because the investigator doesn’t know how to interview children. He is very articulate, has a great vocabulary and had good recall - in other words, a perfect witness for somebody knows what they’re doing.
gabe 25 THANK YOU!!! I was able to piece together his story just fine. They stopped first at the great salt lake, then at the Eccles Dino park, then drove up to go digging for crystal GEODES in Juab county, where his dad could have buried their mom, with the crystals.... and they can camp on site as long as they don’t camp directly on a dig site. Has no one in her department heard a story from a 4 year old?! She’s probably buried near the Dugway geode dig sites. I would imagine he buried her on a privately owned dig site that wasn’t in service at the time, or just anywhere in the middle of nowhere really.
Cassidy Williams It drove me absolutely nuts. He was giving her the information to conclude - just as you did - where his mother’s body likely is. If she was unfamiliar with the area, Charlie gave such unique characteristics, the law enforcement agencies in those areas should’ve been contacted immediately to provide assistance. What stunned me most of all is that they didn’t call in a forensic child interviewer. Go ahead and do the initial interview if there’s not one that could get there in time, but have one there the very next day.
gabe 25 that sweet boy wanted her to listen! I felt so sad. He was even trying to help her understand, and he was so proud of himself for the knowledge he had!
Agree completely.
@Cassidy Williams omg, it's a year after you left this prescient comment...and they have found remains at that exact site. The family is "cautiously optimistic" that the remains at the mines are Susan. Maybe you should be a detective...or teach the detectives how to "detect."
Oh Jesus Christ this is heartbreaking to watch. WHERE is the food and drinks? Poor little man.
I’m not sure why so many want her to serve food and defeat the entire purpose. She has to keep him focused on her and the questions. She also is talking this way on purpose to give him the feel of another kid a playmate not an adult questioning him.... she is putting herself at his level. If she goes and gets food that may be changed as he may then see her more as a motherly figure and not a friend but the main reason is focus. He can’t be chomping away and not giving her his full attention.
She is a professional and she is trained to behave this way.
It’s sad that u Lways see so many blaming others or trying to find faults for the death of a child because it’s just so hard to understand... someone must know someone must have been able to fix this but sadly the only one here to blame is the father.... everyone else had to follow the law... it’s just that simple. You can’t take a kid without evidence and he got supervised visits which by law they have to give him
In all honesty do you think anyone seen this coming? Men murder wives a lot but often they don’t murder the kids later for being witnesses. Sadly he was only trying to cover his own ass. He knew the boys have seen too much.
It would only be. MTter of time before he found a way to kill them and nothing else could change that sadly he was seriously disturbed and delusional but again he is the only one we should be pointing fingers at
@@amandaroman3471 that is not how a proper child interview goes - the child needs to gain trust - first and foremost - and that child interviewer evidently missed that part of the lesson. The child was ready to talk - but without a skilled interviewer vital information was lost that day. And both children ended up dead because of the way that case was handled. Shame on all involved who failed to protect those poor children from their father.
A good team would have fed a child BEFORE an interview.
@@amandaroman3471 Good job, keeping focused when you are hungry. I can't, and I am 60.
@@karenmacdonald6127 Exactly right Karen - and at the point that a child says he's hungry then all stops until the child is fed. basic child interview skills 101. I've always wondered why on earth Josh Powell wasn't immediately arrested in the disappearance of his wife. Now after seeing this interview of their son it all makes more sense. So sad. Those poor children. And their poor mother too, of course.
❤️💔 His little voice. It breaks my heart that those kids went through that and lost their lives. They were so poorly protected.
I agree, I can't believe she ignored him when he said he was hungry.
How do you know they didn’t feed him? Kids will say these things. Interviewing kids is hard. She is trying not to lead him into answers
I don’t think he suffered from the interview do you?
She is not a people person let alone a children person. Get the kid some food and a blanket.
It would be viewed as coercion by the judge
@@kittenlove42 they should have snacks and food in the room! Kids shut down easily especially around "mean" adults.
His little voice is just breaking my heart 💔💔💔 Such a cruel act
I cannot stop crying, he’s (Charlie) is so honest, strong, full of life, so sweet, so innocent, so sad his life was taken in vain.
I’m so sorry sweet boy, now you can soar high little Prince, be free, enjoy your Angel wings, love.
He died??
100 comments above on how his father killed him and his mom and his brother with an ax
Man its painful to watch it. He would've been 15 y.o. now. Bless his heart :'(
I started crying when he was in the room by himself talking about the things in the room. His sweet childhood innocence...Ugh so heartbreaking. 😭
The video where Suzanne was "documenting " in their home, there was a part at 4:20 in it where he says "Mommy I am with you", and she says "Yes, yes you are" ...it made me so sad watching it knowing she would be killed not long after...so heartbreaking to know people can smile and look into someone's eyes for years and then turn into monsters in a blink of an eye....I dont get it and will never under it.💚💜💚💜💞
@@justmissjamey you said: people can smile and look into someone's eyes for years and then turn into monsters in a blink of an eye....
I dont think dad turned into a monster that fast. It seems to me he was TOTALLY jealous of his wife and from what I recall, he might not
have been physically abusive, but he didnt seem to treat her as an equal. I think he may have hid his monster side from outsiders, but I think Susan saw the monster quite often.
I haven’t heard the story. This is the first video I’ve seen. I’m trying to figure out what happened. Why didn’t the child make it to 15 years old? Did his mother get killed? And is that what other adults told him about his mother? I definitely need to read up more on the story now.
@@TinaJohnson59 yes his mother was killed. Charlie and his brother were killed in a murder suicide by his father. There's a book by Ann Rule about this.
Its so evident she knew he was going to kill her. And she said good bye to her kids. Tried making it a magical scene for her kids. So sad.
z allow him to kill her? Are you brain dead? The man had isolated her, and drained her mentally, emotionally, and financially so she felt she had nowhere to go. Not to mention whenever she made a move to leave he threatened to hurt her children. If you can’t empathise for an abused dead woman than you’re a piece of shit.
I thought that too. 'Let to kill her', well its not so nuts, if I would know that I dont have no where to go and whats coming and my child is there... But on the another hand. How would I know that after killing me, he want hurt the kids. Maybe she realy knew...
I think what Tina means is that, they went camping, and she knew he was going to kill her. Maybe he let her say goodbye to the boys first. Comforting them saying that mummy had to sleep with the flowers now because it’s so pretty. I bet he took her life then left her out there somewhere to rot. He told police she didn’t go camping. Lies. They never should have given him his kids. So sad
I personally think he killed her at the house bc that's where they found blood and her purse and phone were still at the house, I think he strangled her or something then woke up the boys and drug them out to the camp scene so he could dispose of her body, it's sick. She should've asked Charlie if his mommy was awake or asleep, bc she was probably with them, but unconscious, or dead in the car.
@z that's how it is with abuse. I almost died more than once, and I thought I would not live long. God had another plan for me. I am safe now. But I understand it.
I have a feeling poor Susan Cox Powell is buried somewhere in Dinosaur National Monument (aka Park). RIP.
I teared up when he started talking about the coconut. What a sweet little angel. Rip baby
I think she told the kids gdbye and she was going to sleep where the flowers and the crystals grow , it's not something a man would say , I think she kept calm for her kids she knew he was going to kill her
Criminal not to stop and feed this child when the first thing he says is he hasn’t eaten all day... SO Wrong
Oh yes, I'm disgusted. His grandparents would have fed him straight away, and I mean her parents!!!!!!
@@anneperry9014 so disgusting , hope she's out of a job after this.
They are doing a job bet she hasn't got kids. Best if she finds some other job where you don't need to care and have common sense.😠
The way he says "dinosaur national park" is so freaking cute! He's so proud of himself that he can say it.
@Julie Sprik yea she's an idiot, and to think she works with kids. Smh
Was he hungry or not? Either offer him some food or the sweet kid lied right off the bat.
@Julie Sprik Thats what I thought too. As soon as he said that, I thought she would stop and call on someone to get him something to eat but no! She went right on with the interview. And he said he didnt even have breakfast.
@@joecook5689 I don't think a kid would lie @ being hungry. Why would he?
@@lisastewart5885 yeah you could tell by the way he told her that he was really hungry. He tried to explain that he hadnt eaten all day. I think she then asked if he was hungry. Then did nothing but keep asking questions. Not trying to be ugly but she dosnt seem like she has the personality or knack to work with children.
It's so heartbreaking knowing that this poor little boys dad ends up killing him and his brother a couple years later. I will never understand why people do these disgustingly horrible things.
No way?! Omfg
😥
W H A T !!!!!!
@@clarelwc2849 you didn't know this? Google Susan Powell.
Has to do with Control. Power .intimidation.& humiliation of others. And corrupt judges & SOB. Lawyers.
I don't think this lady has children. Moms know when the kids are hungry, cold , etc. What a lack of empathy.
Lack of Empathy? This kids parent or guardian do not even give them breakfast and as a parent or guardian that is your job not there's. FYI the kid dies because the parent ends his and his brothers life. That is a lack of empathy. ending a child's life.
@@bella14708 the kid was hungry and that lady did not even bother to provide something for that kid. At the time of the interview no one knew that the monster of his father will end his life.
@@eandilkam The Father did not even feed the kid which is whose job it was to be caring for this child. Why is it not his fault in your mind when if you are or have been a parent you know it is your job not other's to feed your kid? It is Josh Powell's fault not the interviewers that Charlie did not eat.
@@eandilkam the fact that it was Josh Powell's job to feed the kids and did not is a huge indication of how awful that man was not someone else who has no business feeding a child she does not know anyways. The father starved him not this Woman. But if you pay attention he leaves and comes back after looking not hungry and without a sweater.
@@bella14708 you are entitled to your point of view. Parents are responsible for their kids but in this case he told her he was hungry and she did not do absolutely NOTHING
So terrible to watch this knowing what happened to this poor child and his brother. He deserved so much better.
What did happen? Is it explained in the video?
Edit: oh god. I remember this. This is the worst murder I've ever heard of. It makes me sick.
This boy is obviously uncomfortable. He wants to remove his heavy jacket and boots.... The interviewer should have noticed this.... She did not.
He's telling her he's hungry. She needs to stop & get him a pizza or something!
He's starving because Josh didn't feed him and he doesn't complain... Rest In Peace
Charlie told you "he was hungry"! the minute he said that you should of IMMEDIATELY gotten him something to eat!!!. then continued your interview!.
@Freddie Boom Boom Washington If this is true am very sorrry to hear that!.
Yea that way he is full and probably has to then take a shit. Well now that he is full, he is tired so we better give him a nap then interview him about the very very important info about his dead mom. NO. The kid is well fed. He can wait 45 min so he has more motivation and remembers more about what happened. Time is of the essence. Especially for a four year old.
@@YouAndMrPeanut Why pressure a child on an empty stomach! as a man am impressed how how you've looked at this from the point of view of a four year old! greetings from Bermuda.
1:34
-“I didn’t eat today”
-“Are you hungry ?”
-“Yes”
“Did you have breakfast today ?”
-“No”
-“Did you have a cookie ?”
-“No”
-“So what else you didn’t do today ?
WTF ??
Why didn't she get him to take off his coat and boots. He must have been warm as well as hungry. He's just a little boy.
He showed that he could take the shoes and jacket off, because he did, and then put them back on
Oh this is so heart breaking to watch. That little boy looks just like my own grandson, Charlie. To think that he is no longer with us because his monster father took his life and his younger brothers is just so tragic. Those poor little boys didn’t deserve that. I hope they are now in the loving arms of their mommy. God bless them all 😢
God this lady has a voice that makes my toenails curl and she really needs to learn how to talk to children they are not as stupid as she thinks they are and she should not lead them to say what she thinks is the truth.
absolutely
As someone who is not fond of police interrogation tactics I don't see anything that isn't above board. She isn't doing anything wrong.
Good grief she walks back in with no introductory words just starts asking questions then when she's done... OK Charlie come out now... not even a thank you to the boy for talking to her you're right she's horrible.... There is a very big difference between leading a child to say something that he doesn't want to say and just being plain nurturing... polite basic etiquette even though it's a child....
Shes definitely leading him
Maybe it's protocol not to touch the child?
Omg that woman’s voice. That baby talk. All whiny and high. Just talk normal.
Agree
It was the first thing I noticed...terrible.
They are trained to get children to talk. You're not.
@@willoughby1888 You really just wrote all that BC of the way this woman talked to a toddler? You haven't majored in child psychology, you are not trained to talk to children during a traumatic event. You just wrote A chapter using anecdotal evidence that has no basis in factual studies or data on the subject. Yes I seen him find the mic. He's A toddler, it wasn't hidden, unsupervised children tend to plunder around. He never acted afraid of the woman. And your theory on him being scared the woman was gonna hurt him or his family is laughable at best. He was thinking about why his mama was left with the crystals and his daddy was there when she wasn't anymore. He never appeared scared or intimidated by the woman. So spare me your anecdotal, psychology babble. And for the record, nobody attacked you Karen. Disagreeing isn't attacking. Me hitting you with a bottle, that would be attacking you.
@@willoughby1888 Thank you for chapter 2 Karen. Toddlers may be considered children that range from 1 year to 4 years of age, though others may have different definitions of these terms. Its quite normal to call them that. Lets agree that neither of us are in positions to say what he was thinking. That was my point earlier. I applaud your credentials, but talking to a small child in an emergency situation and talking to a child after the fact to get information, are not the same thing. You ask for addresses and send ER's. Trying to get a child to talk about something they were told not to talk about, like the murder of a parent in their presence, takes finesse and patience. And, again, my original comment was not hostile at any level. Verbally or otherwise. Its been pretty much a civil discourse.
Why did she not feed him, so cold just a bit heartless.
She’s a trained professional and doing what she’s trained to do. She’s not being mean or making him suffer. First of all he never says he’s really hungry or his stomach hurts like y’all imply with these comments. she can’t feed him or it’ll ruin the focus on the questions and it’s not like he’s being held up for hours here come on it’s 25 misns and he never says
He’s in any distress or pain by the way.
But also in addition to focus another reason is she needs to get down to his level which is why she speaks this way.
They are trained to have a child relate more to you when you appear more child like... as if your a playmate from school and not an adult... one can imagine serving food can also hinder that... he may then see her more as a caregiver mom or dad rather than an equal. But the main reason is so he can focus.
Every time we get any child death everyone jumps on every single adult in their lives and blame them but in reality we need to blame the dad and that’s it. Everyone involved had to follow the law and can’t just go snatch a kid and run off to save them. Sadly it doesn’t work that way and we have to do things a certain way. Yeah court systems suck but like I said there is no one else to blame. Christ it’s like y’all think the entire town knew and didn’t do anything when they could have.
Nothing could be done at that time but supervised visits to keep them safe a worker wAs always suppost to be with him. He snatched them and ran inside it wasn’t her fault she didn’t have a chance but anyways law is law he has
Rights as a father
Even when suspected of murder . Until proven they can’t take his rights completly away period.
Bless his heart looking for coconuts. How heart wrenching.
My heart breaks for him & his lil brother 🥺
Why didnt she take his damn coat off..give him some damn snacks to.
He was murdered after this how tragic by his own father.
@@ella-bt8hp I know I searched this after I watched it. So damn sad. What a POS. He took the easy way out. I would of loved to torture that mfer
Maybe his mom came back in spirit to talk to him after she was dead. To give him comfort and told him she was going to stay where the crystals were colorful and beautiful. My best friend did after she was murdered. She visited both her babies to let them know she was ok and that they would be ok. They were 1 & 2yrs old when they both woke up that morning and said mommy came to see us and we rode bikes, she said shes with Jesus in heaven and daddy is going away grandma is going to take care of us. She hugged and kissed them they never said anything about any encounters after that (that I know of) They were so happy ❤
I just hope that is the case - there is really no way to know. It seems like Susan was killed at home - due to several pieces of evidence- so she would have been dead or at least unconscious when she was taken on the 'camping trip'. Doubtful she told him she wanted to stay there in person unless she had regained consciousness and Josh forced her to lie to the boys. Though he could have done that.
Unlikely. There is no evidence that this is even possible. People's brains make up all sorts of stuff.
I am only two minutes into this, and I want to slap that officer! Charlie said he's hungry and hasn't eaten... then YOU stop everything and get that poor baby something to eat! WTF is wrong with her? Then, it's obvious Charlie would like to take his coat off... she's oblivious and doesn't acknowledge this at all..why doesn't she say, "Charlie, let's hang up your coat and get you something to eat." NO... she keeps blabbing for another half hour. Meanwhile, Charlie is still hungry.
I so agree!!! It would have also been a good way to gain his trust and to get him to possibly open up a little more. This woman is not a good interviewer.
She obviously doesn't know anything about children.
Christie Foreman , I have a child, have taken care of hundreds, been around thousands; and all of them including mine can quite *AFFIRMATIVELY* say and tell when they’re hungry, they *DO NOTTTTTTTTTT* tell people other than their parents that they’re hungry when they aren’t, because that’s borderline greed and dishonesty/lying; they know when to pass, even at times when they *ARE* hungry, because they don’t eat from strangers!!!!! His possibly missing mom is of great importance, but for now, he’s fucking hungry and uncomfortable and needs help taking his coat off!!!!!!!!!! If you don’t get outta here with that bullshit...!
@@shaunapinnock7303 I totally agree with you, as a mother of 4, grandmother of 2, and as a former daycare worker... Some people just have no common sense.
Shauna Pinnock exactly!!! That’s interviewing 101!! They give alleged murderers and rapists something to eat and drink. And I’m SURE his mom would’ve preferred knowing her baby was not hungry and comfortable even if it meant never being found. As a mom of 3 myself that’s how I feel.
Susan Powell must have been an amazing person bc despite her situation and who she was married to she raised her sons so well, charlie seemed like a good boy & smart for a 4 yo. It just makes this case that much sadder :(
The world was truly robbed of someone so precious and special. He would have gone far in life💔
@z yes, the boy.
Read what Deb Redwood has to say. Since this is an evidential interview, there are rules. Feeding Charlie or helping him take his coat off could be seen as manipulation. The interviewer repeated his statements back to him for clarity, to make sure he agrees he said what she heard. She actually does care for the little guy, and she does a very professional job trying to find out what happened to his mother.
Sorry that baby should have been fed immediately ,wow just like dss and police they don't care about kids in the system.. really 😭
@@michaelrakowski7475 Geez. You didn't read any of what Kate said, did you?
@@techtastic2010 Oh we READ IT! And we dont give a chit!! They should of fed the baby before he got there & knowing he was hungry she should of stopped the interview & had someone else take care of the baby before asking
Him all those questions & then proceeded to speak about FOOD OF ALL THINGS & just how yummy MARSHMALLOWS ARE!! 🤦🏼♀️
@@vegasvancitygirl9251 You sound ridiculous. The kid was fine. There were a number of people who let him down, but this woman was not one of them. If she would have stopped the interview like you said, Josh could have walked free in the event that the whole thing had gone to trial. That's how serious protocol is in situations like that. It matters because coercion doesn't poll well with juries and even the appearance can alter a verdict. Now sit back down and take a Xanax.
I did take one as I feel there was NO EXCUSE ON EARTH TO NOT FEED A CHILD UPON KNOWING THEY ARE HUNGRY!
STOP THE INTERVIEW, FEED THE CHILD WAIT A BIT THEN AND ONLY THEN GO ON WITH THE INTERVIEW
I wished she would have asked what color the kinda pretty flowers were. Could have been a clue to their location.
No flowers, snow on the ground.
Crocus bloom in snow and they are small and there sure could have been berries. Yews throw red berries. Other plants do too. Left over berries in snow? Sure. It sounds like a cave where the crystals grow. With more time he might have been able to identify photos of plants.
@@dynodish I wonder if they have any caves in that area that grow crystals?
Dear Charlie did say the colors... red berries and blue
She (mom) stays where the crystals are. There are crystals in the mine where she may have been found now!!! 😱😰
Crazy... goddamn it sent chills
yeah hes clearly talking about mines here ... where crystals are found . She's buried in a mine somewhere ...
Every time I'm reminded of this case I feel such pure RAGE at the 911 operator. 🤬🤬🤬
@Kelly Reed lol naw he got a "raise". He wasn't fired. He now teaches seminars about the "burn out" of being a 911 operator...
Really? Not rage at the father that planned and carried out the whole thing? Not rage at the judge and Child Protective Services that allowed in home visits? But rage at a 911 operator who didn't have a chance in hades of stopping anything? The moment that front door shut with the kids on the other side it was over. No police or fire vehicle was going to get there fast enough, even if the 911 operator had understood what was going right away. Eight minutes after the initial 911 call, the house blew up. Within those eight minutes, the boys suffered what conceivably would have been fatal wounds even without the explosion. Police were dispatched about the same time reports came in about the explosion. So, even KNOWING that an explosion and house fire with people inside and a possible domestic dispute going on, it still took them 14 minutes to get to the scene. Had police been dispatched the very second that first 911 call came in, it's very likely they would have been 6 minutes too late and/or injured. Be angry, just be angry at the correct system.
Love the way he says "dinosaur national park " everytime
Poor little angel keeps trying to get his jacket off and she doesn’t even notice to help him. You’re fired!
Yeah, because 4 year-olds are incapable of slipping out of a jacket that isn't even zipped up. What was the first thing he said when she left the room? "It's fun to be in a room with the coconut tree". Not "this lady is mean to me and won't take my jacket off". Learn how to listen.
Fire this woman. Inconsiderate and had no clue how to treat a hungry child then after he's comfortable question him .. Hee is in a bad point in a little boys life
@@5807we I agree. As soon as he said he was hungry, she should have gotten him at least *something* ! Then she's like "did you have breakfast, or a cookie?" Like no! He just said he hasn't eaten! So sad. Rest in Peace angel. 👼🏻♥️🕊️
Although it did give him something to fidget with due to lack of any toys he could play with
@@jh-is8nq I'm 30 and sometimes is hard to undress some clothing . I hope you never have kids.
It's the how these precious little boys lost their life is horrific 😢 . This gets me so emotional. I pray they have joined their mom in Heaven.
He wouldn't know it was called a "national park". Someone taught him that.
This female needs either more training when interviewing children, or find a different job that does not have children.
the fact lil man knew where the microphone was at haha , god rest your soul lil man🙏🏻
This case just got worse and more horrible as time went on. I don’t live very far from where this Freak blew up his freshly murdered children, and his own pathetic sorry ass. I will never forget, it’s sooo horrifying, that I can’t.
Bless his heart... when she left the room- He is the cutest!!! Poor thing was hungry though.
Omg. Lady....
That's EXACTLY what this Granny here was THINKING!!! I was fussing with the air, saying they could bring him a doughnut, cookie, or SOMETHING!!!
If only the boys were sent to stay with his maternal grandparents.
They did have custody. The boys were dropped off with the dad by a social worker for a visitation. He didn't let the social worker into the house and he blew it up.
@@rebeckahsmith6876 At first that monster had his kids. Living at his dad house. Until cops found disturbing pictures on his dads computer. Then finally did DCFS decide to do their jobs.
Sarah Kratky ...I really like it that you said “finally “. DCFS is a joke with most cases and it’s really sad.
THEY WERE. He was supposed to be having a supervised visit at his home, this time, because he behaved while having visits at visiting center. His grandparents begged the court to continue visits at the center. The judge have gave him a home visit. He called family early in day, took boys toys to donation drop off. Bought gas and set up home to explode when he got them inside. I believe he would have done it even if supervisor had gotten in house. Seemed like on 911 call even they weren't in any hurry to get to house.
She is not a mom. He is hungry and wants his coat off.
You don't have to be a mom to have common sense or be maternal
Isn't that strange
Almost makes one wonder why these childless creatures gravitate towards these sort of jobs
But she is human and should have compassion for this little baby.
@@indigomoonchild9 some humans are born dead twice. Dead of the flesh and dead of the spirit.
The tone of her voice, she’s clueless
Take Charlie to the Dinosaur National Monument and let him show you the crystals. This young man has an excellent vocabulary.
Him and his brother were murdered by their father.