Why Darth Plagueis HATED the Rule of 2 But Followed in Anyway
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They need to make an animated Rule of Two series where each season centers around the Master and the season finale features the final Master/Apprentice showdown. The next season opens with the new Master seeking their own Apprentice.
After a Bane trilogy
That is actually a good idea.
I'd watch it. Pre new republic so they could create new characters and develop new non Skywalker storylines.
Awesome idea
That’s a really good idea holy shit
Plagueis is one of my favorite Sith Lords. Not because of his abilities with the force, or his lightsaber skills. No none of that there are others I admire more for those things. I like Plagueis for his intellect and sophistication as he arrogantly playes 3 dimensional Chess and Go maneuvering the pieces around on the board of the Grand Plan ! There wouldn't have been a Sidious without Darth Plagueis the Wise !
Plagueis was far from the most evil Sith, he pursued perfection within the Force as a means of elevating all sentient life, and that made him more vulnerable. Under different circumstances I believe he could have been a Jedi, though not a conventional one.
True but one of his biggest sins against the force itself was keeping Darth Venamis alive while he conducted horrific experiments on him.
Also even though in his later years when he shows Sidious a lot of affection, he also still believed that he could control the force, rather than serve it. Which is the fatal sith flaw.
Same I almost picture him as like a gray Jedi
Just because he is wise doesn’t make him a possible Jedi, though. Don’t forget the atrocious things he did. He is maybe lawfully evil, but still evil.
@@CommanderOfRussia1 sith expect evolution not stagnation, why you think the sith always comes back faster then the jedi after they go extinct
He knew a Sith would be required to run or be in the system they were building to monitor and keep it in check
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He knew the Reigning Lord would be targeted by his apprentice, so the others would have kept them busy with his rule
now we have 3 sith lords hating the rule of two. first Darth Krayt then Darth Millennial and now Darth plagueis
They are very selfious beings, so it makes sense that the requirement to let an apprentice challenge you and possibly kill you did not appeal to them
Is it actually selfish to disagree with an ideology not only justifying but encouraging your students to literally kill you?
I have to say I appreciate, in some ways, that he did feel that way, even if he didn't want to, or couldn't consciously understand it, because after his near-death on Coruscant, by assassins who weren't even there for him, but that he wasn't aware of until their trap was already sprung, and he gravely injured, if he didn't, I'd have to question that intellect. The universe is a much bigger place then the spot one stands in, as is time a much greater stretch than the moment in which one occupies. The Sith, and others, have tried, and failed, over countless ages. A simple ship malfunction could leave onecstranded in hyperspace, or adrift in the vast expanses even just within this galaxy. That ship could blow up; whole world's could blow up, and end a life, a plan, an ideology, and it would be foolish to think oneself so untouchable by chance; so central to existence that the very galaxy would strive to retain one, that "backup plans" are unnecessary, even if admitting it openly is impossible.
It's also not seemingly so alien a concept that Plagueis saw the flaw in the Rule of Two. Even the man who penned it as law, who planned for it to be the new, best thing, didn't seem prepared to accept his end; he planned to hijack fate by leaping into his own apprentice, and existing on in a mockery of his own ideal. The first RoT Sith did this, Tenebrous did this. Plagueis at least didn't plan to accept it any more readily than his predecessors, and Sidious was no more prepared, from atop the worm pile, to give up his hard-fought gains then basically every other Sith before him.
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Darth Plagueis really didn’t have much respect for the Ancient Sith Lords. He was no doubt still wise though, and he became pretty powerful, until Sidious betrayed him.
The rule of 2 is an endless loop as there wasn't going to be an ultimate sith lord which is why each apprentice killed their Master. Which can be seen as a weakness of the sith as if their were to be a chosen one they would be equally strong with both the darkside and the lightside of the force. There can be no darkness without light and the opposite is also true.
Essentially, Plagueis thought fully-trained Sith were still useful. In the book it said he wanted "a partner," and he called Sidious a "recruit." He knew the Sith plans were coming true, so he wanted someone around to help him. He was a businessman after all, and he wanted to have like-minded people around him who would guarantee the company's (that is, the Sith Order's) success.
I wonder how many knowledge was lost to the Rule of Two. The master doesn't teach his apprentice a technique because he sees it as mundane, or even unnecessary. Someone could easily forget something here and there, or get killed before he teaches everything he knows. And this can go through the entire line and before the sith realize it their power slowly erodes. They might not even recognize it because due to having to stay in hiding they can't test their prowess in a proper battle against a jedi.
No one really followed it anyhow (they all took multiple apprentices "just in case" so no Rule of TWO), but much of the reason it was an outright failing was because the masters NEVER taught their apprentices everything they knew, not because it was mundane or unnecessary, but out of fear that their apprentices would become more powerful than them. Even though the whole concept was exactly that, the master would teach everything and when the apprentice was strong enough they would challenge (and kill) their master and take over.
i do love the fact that Bane was the sithari he is the only one one who fits the whole prophecy, but why he acknowleged that the prophesy existed he never really put much stock in it he did not ever think oh i must be the prophesied on of the sith, who better to fulful it, and the fact that both Plagueis and Sidious belivied they were yet did not meet all the parts of the propesy is verry telling and as for ruling the galaxy an aguemet could be made that while Sidious did rule the galaxy he still benifited from banes rule of to so really who acculy got revenge it was bane bane destroyed the false sith that was the brotherhood and it was a sith from his line that executed the grand plan and ruled the galaxy so in a certain point of veiw bane ruled the galaxy or at least a benefactor did
Darth Bane was the sithari but he did not acknowledge it, and that’s what makes it so true. He didn’t care about prophecy, he just did what he did to further his own dynasty.
@@AndreNitroX exactly he knew of the prophesy but preferred action and his time as des on apotros taught him much about patience and endurance, mining cortosis will do that, so he studied hard from scraps at the academy when the so-called "masters" failed him
@@mithosirving actions speak louder than words, why brag about your title, when your confident in your authority.
Did Plagueis and Sidious actually follow the rule of two?
Or at least follow it the way Darth Bane had intended?
From what i gather Darth Bane intended for his apprentice to beat him in an honorable duel, as in the apprentice would use every skill and trick in the force taught to him/her by his/her master in a duel to the death.
If we look at how both Plaguies and Sidious killed their master, they most certainly didn´t do it like that.
Plaguies killed his master by making rocks fall down on him unaware and Sidious killed Plaguies by getting him drunk and killing him in his sleep.
Neither of those two defeated their master in a duel.
So maybe you could argue that the rule of two had fallen pray to the very thing Bane had intended for it to avoid.
The nature of the dark side is treachery. Even bane probably knew not all of the sith after him would duel honorably to prove their strength. After all the tools of the sith are cunning and ruthlessness. But I will admit killing your master in their sleep, does comes across as cowardly compared to a sith who fueled fairly.
@@AndreNitroX The rule of two was designed to the most powerful Sith would always be in control. Sadly it doesn't take any real power to kill someone. Just a bit of luck. It's a logically flawed rule.......which I fully expect coming from star wars. 😆 Not only that but how does any sith know they are the only master and apprentice in a massive galaxy? 😆
the true purpose of the rule of two was to sneak up on the Jedi and destroy them forever at the right time, furthermore, since the nature of the dark side is treachery and deception, the rule of two also prevents the Sith from ganging up into factions and waste time killing each other to take control (a civil war between the Sith is impossible if there is only one master and one apprentice)
@@matiasrodriguez7408 Does it now?
We have already seen that while Maul wasn´t a true Sith apprentice, he was a so-called Sith Assassin.
And Plagueis in the book, discovered that his master had had SEVERAL apprentices beside him.
If Maul hadn´t been killed what was to stop him and Sidious from ganging up on Plagueis and kill him.
Ala i will duel with him Maul and when his busy dueling with me, you come in from the back and its stabby stabby time.
The rule of two was already broken if we assume that Plagueis was still alive, when Sidious took Maul as his "apprentice".
Because then there wasn´t just two, there where three and nothing prevented them from ganging up on Plagueis and killing him.
So again once the loop holes of as long as they are not "true" Sith apprentices we can have as many as we want..
They would be subject to the same flaw that Bane tried to prevent.
You could argue that most fervent follower of the rule of two was Maul.
He only ever taught one his brother, and that is despite him having several mandelorians at his beck and call.
If he had been just a treacherous as Sidious, he could have had them wait in the wings and as soon as Sidious entered... he could basically unleash EVERYTHING including the kitchen sink on Sidious.
Sidious is strong in the force but i doubt he would be able to hold of a continual barrage of several blasters and flamers and probably a few rockets for good measure.
@@MrBottlecapBill in many occurrence's, the 2 sith in the bane era, would hunt down other dark side users who claimed to be sith. As for the rule of 2 it was a secured way to ensure there was always a powerful sith that could keep their plan and lineage going. it was expected for the apprentice to attempt to kill their master, but the master wouldn't just take it lying down, so only if the apprentice was more powerful or treacherous, would they be worthy to take the title, if not the surviving master would seek another apprentice.
Darth Sidious was the biggest rule breaker when it comes to the Rule of 2
Not exactly, he kept swapping apprentices, but he always ensured there was officially 2 Sith Lords at a time.
@@AndreNitroX he recruited Darth Maul while training under Darth Plagueis
@@macwelch8599 many sith did this, he was just a sith in training, not officially a sith lord.
He could wipe the floor with every apprentice he had up to Vader, though. He’s still the most powerful Sith Lord ever. He never viewed Maul or Dooku as true heirs to the Sith I don’t think, nor did he view Vader as the heir after Mustafar.
I don't like the Rule of 2 either but for pretty different reasons mostly because it doesn't actually fix the infighting and while it was able to get them in control of the galaxy for 20 years or so the Old Republic Sith had a much longer lasting empire and that's with their infighting (something that can happen in general as long as even two people exist but is more bound to happen with Sith ideology)
Like the fact that they are brought up to kill their master and then accept their apprentice trying to kill them which clashes with the Sith fundamental of wanting power for yourself instead of just being told to forget about each other and exclusively kill their enemies
"I am the first to restore the Sith to their rightful place in the galaxy. As we planned, the Jedi thought the Sith gone, we were so inconsequential. The pomp of the Jedi was insufferable. I set the galaxy aflame, my apprentice. I have purged all weakness and impurity. From the ashes, we would have a new age."
- Palpatine
I saw it like this: palpatine followed the rule of 2 until he fulfilled revenge on the jedi, and established his empire. Both of these were final goals for the rule of 2, so once completed, the rule had served its purpose, and become obsolete, and so Palpatine did away with it.
Did he tho. Because inquisitors weren't taught the ways of the Dark side like Vader and even he wasn't taught everything sidious knew. There were always other sith but there were only two rulers of the sith
@@kingleo5368 2 sith no more no less, only 2 sith can exist at any time. The inquisitors are not sith but served the sith which is very different
he died under the rule of two. apprentice killed him. Vader killed him, he was a fool who did not escape rule of two. Bane won lol
@@lordoffaiyum9727 Sidious loosing is a loss for Bane so that doesn’t make sense.
@@darthtator3549 maybe Dark side users is tue correct term but that's basically what I ment
If Plagueis had been able to overcome the fear of death then he perhaps could have achieved more. This is also the Sith’s problem.
As much as I loved Darth Plageus, his only true weakness was his obsession with immortality. It led him to retreat from public life for two decades and he didn't sense Palpatine's ambition. He should have never expected Sidious to be content as a puppet ruler. That was my major disappointment with Plagues the wise.
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I still believe with absolute certainty that Bane was the sith chosen one.
1st rule of evil dude : they don't deserve nose
So.what would happen if you had an apprentice that wasn't powerful enough but thought they were and they assassinated their master?
The master would slay the apprentice and eventually take a new apprentice.
Maybe the sith since the rule of 2 had a sense of disapointment when being killed by their apprentice but also a sense of pride that a stronger sith has come to be because of their death.
I love the sith academy tho 😩 I prefer that then on the top just have an emperor and his apprentice 🎉
It makes sense in that one after the other the power increases to the next level and so on. On the other hand the master could just be slippin and getting weaker then the apprentice takes advantage of it. If the apprentice took the place of the master at his height of power that would keep the next master always stronger i guess right
Me: He probably didn't wanna die.
I have a question for you, what would have happened, if Plagueis managed to predict Sidious assassination attempt ?
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The way I see it, if Darth Plagueis was as powerful as he thought he was then 1. He should’ve been able to withstand any attack from his Apprentice/Use force transfer to take over his apprentice or 2. He should’ve been clever enough to deduce Palpatine was plotting on betraying him for a year and kept his guard up even when they were celebrating on his last night. Personally I believe attacking the master while he sleeps is unwise as there is a chance you missed something he failed to reveal yet (of course if Palpatine was as equal to Plagueis as the later claimed then this worry is irrelevant).
Side note I think a Sith Lord is only as powerful as his ability to protect what he cares for most, be it himself or those closest to him. Having to watch out for anything other than yourself is a Weakness, but the Sith are all about gaining Power so they should be easily able to compensate for this. Some are like Malgus and prefer to use their pain to increase their power at the cost of their loved ones.
The rule of 2 was a joke from start to finish, Bane tried & may have partially succeeded in taking over his apprentices body, & sidious tried to live forever & intentionally nerfed his apprentice the lineage of bane may have pretended to live by and or care about it but they didn't all they cared about was power they're Tuk'ata they can't change their spikes
I was always curious about this
I would counter that the Brotherhood of Darkness may have had the right idea. Just got a little lazy and forgot those before them. Like the Jedi leading up to the Clone Wars.
A ture king always has rabbit up his sleeve I quote snoke talking to kylo ren In movie go back hear snoke he kill a clone hello king plagues lives
Plagueis forgot that the Sith's commitment to unapologetically pursue power meant that no worthy apprentice would settle for eternal serviture under their master. He did not, and Palpatine's defining characteristic was his bottomless hunger for power.
If Plagiues hated and thought the rule of two had to be destroyed that means sidious did the right thing when he trained Dooku and maul
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I think that the writers who came up with the rule of two got it from Jodorowsky's The Metabarons. The son must defeat his father in duel to the death to become the new Metabaron.
This is why we needed darth plaquis to be Snoke, the secret master Palpatine
New order of Sith is to live forever
Rule of two it's the secret to immortality
The mistake of Darth Plaguies was as he grew in power he also grew in arrogance, believing he was far beyond the Rule of Two and thought it was his time to pioneer a new era for the Sith. Of course, taking Palpatine as his apprentice was never a part of his plan, Palpatine was too strong in the Dark Side to ignore. It's likely that Plaguies wanted to keep Palpatine at his side as his apprentice, but only on the surface, instead their relationship would be the same as the one shared by Sidous and Vader during the time of the Empire.
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The dark side is like venom, it is most powerful when concentrated in a small amount. Darth bane knew this and declared only 2 sith should rule at a time. Only if the apprentice was powerful enough could they overthrow the master. This violent cycle utilized the treacherous nature of the sith and strengthened their lineage. Bane knew one day there would be a Sith Lord afraid to give up his power by choosing an apprentice. But unfortunately for plagues the nature of the dark side always came through. And of course plagues suffered an unhonourable death by being killed in his sleep, instead of a satisfying death like Banes, who at least new his apprentice Zannah was powerful enough to keep the line going.
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Saying the Sith "followed the rule of two" is like that Pirates of the Caribbean line "they are more like guidelines" because none of them actually followed the rule of two, EVERY one of them had multiple apprentices and refused to teach them all they knew simply out of the fear of them becoming stronger than them even when they knew that was somewhat the whole point of the Rule of Two. While the Rule of Two was an interesting story plot for a few books, it was a terrible concept overall that was just given lip service to while they all knew they were going to ignore.
Even the will of the force was afraid of Plagueis.
Seems Plaguis is the MOST rational an level minded Sith... With hating the Rule of 2 an all. Anti psychotic kill each other off beliefs too... NEXT he'd do things like try an make peace with the Jedi an REALLY piss off his... "Ancestors"...
I think Bane would have absolutely destroyed Sidious in combat! Any type, force powers, cunning or light saber!!!
The rule of two is an idiotic concept. How easy would it be for both Sith to be killed at the same time, thereby extincting the Sith and losing their knowledge? And why would a dark side master ever aspire to simply inevitably be murdered? The logic is idiotic. But Sidous didn't practice the rule of two very well; Dooku, Maul, Ventriss, Anakin...who else...
The new rule of Sith to live forever king Darth dark lord plagues lord Vader father lives
I think palpatine was a lazy master he took on apprentices that were already fully trained fighters he only turned them to the Darksider
King lord dark Darth plagues lives still by cloneing himself over over his or healing
I like beans
U not listening he made new rule when he kills his master new rule of Sith is to live forever by cloneing he end rule of 2 when he kills his master
Rule of 3 coming master Darth plagues disciple palpatine student lord Vader
Vader killed Sidious. Rule of 2 killed him. Bane won again. Apprentice killed Master as his legacy designed. Bane wins.
He had Vader, dooku, maul, and the female apprentice...is it because they were only dark acolyte rank, he followed rule of two? because it seems like he followed the rule of 5 with many plan b, c, d, and e.
Stuck in traditions that didn't help them grow or expand. Jedi and Sith are too extreme. It's one way or the other no middle ground.
The rebellion wouldn't be as strong.
Was palpatine ever afraid of plaigus
There is nomore rule of two new rule is to clone your over over palpatine kill a clone of king plagues
the rule of 2 is week just having 2 will end the sith it the 2 die it ends there should alway be a back up and only 2 makes the sith week
I'm with plagius on this one I didn't like the rule of 2 either. It was only effective in hiding the sith. It didn't even really work to keep an empire either. It lasted 20 years in legends. That's not very long considering all of what they had to do to kill the jedi and their enhanced life spans. It was literally not worth it. I mean the vitiate did way more and for way longer with what he had.
There is no rule nod two nomore only new rule to live forever lord Vader father lives kylo ren grandfather lives Luke skywalker grandfather lives
New rule of Sith too live forever by cloneing plagues clone himself over over over he still alive he behind everything not palpatine new order of Sith is to live forever
Read the novel. It's good.
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The ending is particularly cool. Palpy murders him _right before_ the "opera" performance where he tells Anakin of the legend of Plagueis. A legend, he'd literally just created. So, metaphorically any way, his master's blood was on his hands as he tells Anakin the story. Except, of course, that he lies to the younger man - Plagueis did not know how to bring people back from the dead. His experiments had proven to be mostly failures.
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Palpatine kill king plagues clone plagues clone our healing ❤️🩹 palpatine clone doesn’t work
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Rule of two is nonsenscial and stupid.
Sorry but I'm going to be that guy Why is the screenshot for this video looking like Palpatine is stabbing Darth Plagueis in his rooster LOL