Snoke is Mace Windu - Star Wars Theory
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
0:00 Intro
0:16 Samuel L. Jackson Conspiracy
2:05 Mace Windu is Still Alive
4:00 Disfigurement
5:49 The Dark Side and the Light
7:51 Mace Windu's Revenge
10:05 Signature Move
11:11 Finn Awakens
12:57 Finn Windu
16:30 Outro
SOURCES
1. This guy made a "Snoke is Mace Windu" video 4 months ago! Check it out.
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2. Mace Windu Thought HE Was The Chosen One
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INTERVIEWS
0:44 Smauel L. Jackson#IMDBAskSamJackson
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1:01 Entertainment Weekly - Samuel L. Jackson
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1:50 Star Wars The Force Awakens Press Conference - Flick And The City
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PHOTOS
0:25 Still from Futurama: Into the Wild Green Yonder
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0:32 Samuel L. Jackson By: Danny Moloshok
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0:34 Frazer Harrison
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0:36 George Lucas By: Matt Sayles
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1:39 John Boyega By: Jordan Strauss
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ART
Thumbnail - Supreme Leader Snoke By: 800PoundProductions
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5:57 - Mace Windu By: Chris Trevas
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6:15 - I can't find the original artist of the background. Message me and I'll add the source here!
Mace Windu From the Star Wars Legacy Collection Geonosis Arena Showdown action figure artwork.
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7:02 - Supreme Leader Snoke By: 800PoundProductions
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7:41 Ben Solo a.k.a Kylo Ren By: daniel-morpheus
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8:54 Rey agains Kylo By: Jesus Conde
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9:22 - See 6:15
11:19 The Force Awakens Poster
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13:20 John Boyega Study By: Eristhe
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13:41 FN-2187 By: Kevin Graham
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All other images are official Star Wars promotional art.
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MUSIC
1. Soundtrack from Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II
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2. Endslate song: Disturbance by ME (Hexus is my Artist name).
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This was an in depth explanation of the theory that Supreme Leader Snoke is an old, broken, and vengeful Mace Windu.
If I missed anything please message me and I'll add it! :) - บันเทิง
So you're saying Palpatine literally zapped the black out of Mace Windu?
ahhh hahahahahaha
Zapping the black out of Samuel L. Jackson?! No wonder he's pissed!!
R.I.P me xD
SAVAGE
Ikr
Genuinely would've been a better plot twist than the actual film
I agree, snoke is just a clone from palpatine
Goes against mace’s character but I’d rather it ruin him than invalidate the entirety of the previous 6 films
yhea
Yeah
@@splendidwolf442 it could make sense considering how strong Windu was with the dark side
Even though Mace unexpectedly turned out not to be snoke, I have hope that Mace Windu and Darth Jar Jar are still out there somewhere plotting their takeover of the galaxy.
Ikr that would be awesome
Jar jars dead
@@bingus1895 Darth Jar Jar’s connection to the dark side of the force is so unimaginably strong, he transcends the very concept of life and death
@@OrbitalLizardStudios death is scared to kill him
@@bingus1895 what was that peasant I am very much still alive
It would’ve been amazing if Rey turned to the Darkside and it was Finn who trained in the Jedi arts to defeat her
the sequels genuinely wouldve been much better 100 percent if that happened
@@pinecosin Also Ren becomes somewhat a "grey jedi"
Who is ren
@@realitycheck908 kylo ren?
the rise of skywalker should have had rey turn to the sith and have ben solo return and rise as the skwalker he is
Also, in the Rise of Skywalker, Palpatine says that he MADE SNOKE. Palpatine hit Windu with the force lighting therefore creating snoke. Just saying
Wow your right
This actually makes sense
Snoke is a strand cast
bro, snoke is a clone and always has been
@@c4_s3y94 Palpatine "killed" Mace and then told anakin and the clones to do order 66, then he dropped down, got Mace windu, cloned him and sent him away.
Rewatching this makes me realize how much potential the sequels had after TFA, only for TLJ to come in
Subverting expectations
The TLJ is indeed bad but there is still some hope left for the trilogy to redempt that's it until the rise of Skywalker everything is ruined and cannot be returned
Y'know what?Tfa is good.Its just the tlj and rots(9th one not 3rd) that are bad
@@alptugraakan7490 well if Lucas hadn't scrubbed Binks due to fan backlash, the series would have been vastly superior to what we got, in m humble estimation
Word
Here's another thing, Smoke has a huge scar on his head, and Wind has a smaller, but wider version of that scar. They look nearly identical.
yea i expexted him to mention it considering he included both being bald
@@pinecosin 😂
Yeah are you sure its not a vein?
It has to be a scar because they are identical
And ALL OF THIS would make infinitely better stories than what we actually got.
Seems like most fans would have made a better trilogy than the Sequels. But they started off badly. TFA was also garbage, they outright canned the New Jedi Order and messed up
“And it is worth mentioning that they are both bald as well”
- Vincent Vendetta
"You may not have noticed the purple lightsaber"
Mace has always been one of my favorite characters I really wish they would get him back some how.
Really happy to see him in the tales of the jedi trailer always want to see more mace windu content.
“There is no way our stories are so simple” oh boy😢
I always thought that when Palpatine got hit by Sith lightning it just broke his disguise. I’m pretty sure Palpatine normally looks like that but he used the dark side force to hide his appearance
No mace made him look ugly the only thing palpatine did was hide the sith eyes
Tentative yes, in the sense that it allowed the Dark Side to fully flow through him and corrupt him - physically as well as mentally, as the Dark Side is in lore known and said to be highly corruptive. But also, NO. We don't, until that point, see Palpatine using Dark Side powers. Mind Trick is more a universal trait, used by Jedi, and it doesn't warp their physical being. So psychological influence is not a thing that transforms the user. Otherwise, most of the Jedi would look AWFUL. Similarly, hiding one's presence in the Force is used by Jedi, and it does nothing to them, so Palpatine wouldn't be affected either. In this case, when the Force Lightning, a PURE Dark Side power, is reflected back, it's a major point. Some powers stem from a pure desire to do harm. Force Lightning is one of these. Light Side users don't do it, period. They have Force Push instead - which does NOT affect the user's appearance, because it's not inherently damaging. Sure, it distances threats and shoves people AWAY, but it doesn't necessarily bodily harm them. It's just a _push_.
@@MythLee well, Mace didn't disfigure Palpatine. Mace reflected back the powers that PALPATINE was using. I.e. Force Lightning. So Palpatine made Palpatine look ugly, but apart from that, I'd say you are right.
Stop calling t "Sith" Lightning. It is a force ability
@@mister_silent6 It’s a force ability called Sith Lightning. That’s what it’s referred to as in the book of the Sith
Honestly this theory would be really cool. I feel that Fin should have been the main character of the movies, not Rey.
Finn*
Ok
@@beenystorytime886 Nobody cares
I thought he was going to be the main character when he first appeared in the trailer.
This theory is amazing and could have been totally true if they hadn't changed the Director / Filmmaker between episodes 7 and 8 (then again on the 8 and 9). And mostly if Star Wars and Lucas hadn't been purchased by Disney. It screwed up everything. Mace Windu and Finn theories would have been so much more interesting than the actual movies that ended up to be so poor. JJ Abrams, Director of episode 7 (and mostly Georges Lucas) didn't want to let Snoke die like this, but were not in command anymore in episode 8. Then it was too late and the scenario of episode 9 with Palpatine creating Snoke was just a pretext to try to find a "logical" link.
Poor Star Wars, poor George Lucas. I wish Disney never came in to destroy everything.
I'm usually not a big fan of all the crazy theories, but here I must admit it was really excellent and consistent.
That would explain why force awakens was better than the last two episodes 😂
That would explain why force awakens was better than the last two episodes 😂
There is also some evidence of this when Pilpatine from in the ninth movie said that “he made Snoke” he could be referring to when he blasted him with lightning and had a key role in turning him😮
Even known the skywalker saga is finished, technically snoke could’ve been cloned with mace windu’s blood
I legit remember seeing this get suggested to me in 8th grade. Man time sure flies 😂
This theory would have been a WAY better plot twist than the one we ended up with!
This theory is better than episode 8 and 9
Mace Windu: Has N word pass
Snoke: N word pass revoked
This theory was written better than the trilogy movie
Lol
The Sequel trilogy*
Ikr
Agreed, huge missed opportunity, one of my favourite characters
@@teenagestacker6063 after I saw the force awakens I though for sure that smoke was mace windu and was really disappointed when it was revealed he wasnt
dude watching the part on finn just reawakens all the anger i felt when his character was ruined
he was really the most interesting character, and had such a huge role. its was setup so perfectly for finn to be our hero, or atleast a duo of heroes.
imagine if rey and finn had equal roles, instead of finn being sent to the background.
they literally gave finn half of the first movie dedicated to him awakening and seemingly starting his journey as the hero then all that was thrown away
we couldve had such an amazing duo dynamic of finn and rey working together as we saw them doing in the final fight of part 7 where they pretty much passed the lightsaber between eachother. but all that was thrown away
so true, i feel a first order trooper turn to resistance member was such a wasted opportunity. Its such a cool way of showing how every clone has their own personality.
This guy gives really good detail. Your content is great!
I really looked forward to seeing some sort of character development from Finn. Instead, we got Ryan Johnson. I would still like to see a Mace Windu story.
Imagine putting so much time and thought into this complex theory then sitting in the theater, watching it all fall apart as snoke is killed with ease early in the next film.
You know what? Honestly from the perspective of the audience as people who’ve all seen the empire rise and fall, it does kinda make sense that anyone who also witnessed it would kinda catch on that one can balance the force. I think it’s reasonable that snoke exists with all this power and knowledge but not that he’s the emperor’s thrall. I think the emperor should be dead
What?
Everything makes sense, except how did he become as big a snoke?
That is exactly what I was thinking
@@charwarhoe6763 Me to
After the fall, his balls grew 5x in size.
its a hologram lol
I'm pretty sure steroids work regardless of age...
Two characters are bald
Theorists: "there must be a connection here"
Samuel L Jackson specifically asked George Lucas for a purple light saber, because he didn't want to get mixed in with everyone else during mass fight scenes. If you see the purple saber, you KNOW it's mace.
Yeah that one is a bit far fetched but it’s a GREAT theory
He did ask for a purple light saber. I'm glad he did
READ THEORY: Remember when palpating said he created snoke, and we think snoke is mace windu . Well maybe palpatine helped mace windu just like anikan at the end of the 3rd film in timeline order. Palpating also cloned snoke(you can see a tub full of snokes at the end of ep.9) because remember how palpatine cloned himself to save him from dying(thats how he is alive)so he also cloned Mace Windu to save him from dying.
When Mace was throw out the window, the "grunt" actually sounded to me like he was forcing (no pun intended) out Anakin's name, like it was a last ditch effort pleaing to Anakin to help him.
I could be wrong, but that's just how my ears/brain interpreted it.
From one Vincent to another, great theory!
This is written better then the entire ending of the sequel trilogy
“Somehow Palpatine returned.”
amazing work
"well, everyone knows that getting your arm cut off isnt a lethal injury"
-Vincent Vendetta 2022
This is a fun watch ! I'm fracking convinced.
Im so happy i found this vid, this was my (hesitant) theory back when i first saw snoke, i didnt know that anyone else that thought this so i feel validated. unfortunately im 5 years too late
This aged like milk but it's still better than the sequels
editing scars on mace windows (samuel L. Jackson) face nice touch
I like the idea of Mace Windu being the chosen one and anikan just being strong in the force.
the scar on his head with the comparison part siold me so now i believe that snoke is windu... brain is exploding
Best theory I have seen in a while! At the start i said no way, but now i am a believer!
The intro is fire bro 👍👍👍👍👍
I would love too see a Mace Windu series
this is so good, especially about fin
The only thing this kind of theory proves is that the fans are more creative than the people who are in charge of these types of creative decisions.
4:56, palpatines face wasn’t disfigured, it simply removed the force mask that prevented his true identity form being shown that’s his normal with lord face
Yes, Thx!!
Didn't think I'd see this video again. :p
this is an excellent video
Great vid by the way
Mace Windu is secretly Samuel L Jackson
I hope we get a dark series of an old mace surviving the lower crimeworld of coruscant during the era of the empire and eventually actually dying, explaining why he is never seen or heard of
I hope its good and they dont make Windu look like a bitch, maybe like a 1 or 2 seasoned show with him meeting with Yoda on Dagobah and preparing some plot with Kenobi on how they will train Luke to kill Vader... disney has handled most of the TV shows pretty well so there wouldnt be many issues with it
Now that would be a real twist
I think that palpatine killed mace windu but much later after the fall.Palpatine could have found a way to create artificial midi chlorians because he was the ruler of a large portion of the galaxy and because mace windu was basically the only jedi who had beaten him that he could get his hands on he cloned Mace Windu and used the artificial midi chlorians to make the clone force sensitive then palpatine could kill mace windu and have a clone of him without morals that he could much more easily manipulate. But this is just a theory so if you dont like it just ignore it
literally the first thing that i thought of when i saw snoke.
Mace Windus light saber is just laying somewhere on Coruscant
2:00 why is this guys Samuel Jackson impression so good
Jackson's like: heII yeah I want to be in the new Star Wars, youi have any idea how expensive all these hats are?
looking back on these theories today
disney did not cook with the actual plotline, the theories were so much cooler
HONESTLY hope to see them in the new starwars!!
Here’s another theory, what if Finn is Snokes grandson instead of son. Because there is a theory going around that Lando Calrissian is Windu’s son and when the clone wars started Windu hid him in the cloud city to be safe from the fighting. So then Lando had a son and the son turned out to be Finn.
5:39 that bulging blood vein on Windu's head takes almost exactly the same shape as Snoke's scar
"Snoke is not Mace Windu!"
It would be awesome if they did bring Mace back in a comic or even a short tv show. I did love Mace a lot, especially in the clone wars. The drawn clone wars. And true Mace actually was turning towards the dark side when fighting palpy, Would of been cool if they did something with this honestly. But not as Snoke but like an old Ben kind of sith. Like how Ben was that would be cool.
did u just call the emperor palpy..?
@@TheEliasKid Yes I did, what's wrong?
😐😐😐
@@TheEliasKid 😐😐😐
the veins in maces head also line up with the scars
That was a really good theory actually
This is a very good theory, better than what the movies did. They did not ask me, but I would not have returned Palpatine, but had Darth Plagueis, once known as Jar Jar Binks.
If George was like "yeah I'm okay with that" then they could literally just right it in
“So surely mace windu, a Jedi master”
Take a seat young skywalker
5:41 only just realised that the scar on Snoke's forehead can be seen on Mace Windu's as well
Edit: 8:50 'if the theory is true that Rey is Emperor Palpatine's granddaughter' this guy is a prophet
the scar on Mace Windu is edited on lol Look at the earlier pic of him at 4:08
@@ragtagsnipse914 sadness
I had always thought the table of ash he put his helmet on was collected from the funeral pyre Luke made for his father. It would explain why he had Vader's helmet as well. Resting his helmet on the ashes of his grandfather would have put him more in touch with his spirit, and by his own reckoning, make it easier to "speak" with him while he meditated.
Its definitely an underestimated statement that the Jedi have always interpreted "balance in the force" to forcefully suppress the dark side eventually leading the dark side to seek revenge and completing the cycle. Balance has never been restored
I read somewhere that Palpatine or someone else used a Death Star prototype to open a time portal with the force lightning power and high speed of the fall. The end result is that Mace Windu travelled time backwards and turned into Dart Maul.
6:10 no, I did not notice Mace Windu's lightsaber was purple. Thanks for letting me know!
Yeah dude i thought he was using a blue saber like the other jedis dang better luck next time ig
@@TheDogBasti yeah
It’s so unfortunate that this could have been possible yet they did something way less thought out. It really sucks.
What’s funny about the purple light saber is you keep saying it’s a symbol, when I just think of the behind the scenes of the prequels where Samuel L Jackson tells George Lucas “hey I think I should be unique, can mine be purple” and George goes “yeah, you can be purple”
this is awesome
Oh my!
Man these theories were great... :D
Before the dark times.
Ah, I remember this theory. I remember coming into The Last Jedi so hyped to see more of Snoke because even I was so intrigued by him but my heart sunk to my taint when Snoke was just some even more disfigured gollum in a bathrobe. And the fact that he's supposed to be a Palpatine clone or at least made from his DNA just ruins it more because it ruins literally important moment in 6 movies. Why can't the Sith just be some mysterious constant force and have that trope of both sides are destroyed to create true peace. I believe thats way better than what they gave us in the last movie.
In the last jedi, I noticed that when Kylo Ren killed Snoke with Anakin-s Lightsaber and with the force, Snoke's right hand get cutted off by Anakin 's lightsaber like Mace Windu's right hand.
Hold up though who's right hand DOESN'T get cut off at one point ?
@@zerox020 mine
@@zerox020 rey. But does she really count as a Jedi though? I mean all she did was cut a rock in half and then saw an infinite mirror of herself so yea
@@allthingsfilm5171 legit had no training. She just showed herself to be Force Sensitive and received little to no training by Luke.
@@rebelgaming1.5.14 fr
You make a compelling argument. Well done
Although this may not be true, you can see the scar (looks like a small crack) on Mace Windu's head appear exactly the same on Snoke's head
Damn I remember watching this
It's funny watching this video now because it was later revealed that Snoke was a failed clone attempt of palpatine in the sequels. I think that's also why Snoke sounds so much like emperor palpatine
its crazy how these storylines are way better than the actual thing smh
genuinly makes sense
Wow, very interesting actually.
Actually makes more sense than i thought it would.
Did anyone notice mace and snokes head scar are exactly the same in the side by side photos
so close to 100k
I wish they had actually adapted this as a plot point it would have made Snoke a much more effective villian.
The vain on maces head is in the exact same place snoke has his injury
The hopefulness in this video is hard to relate to in 2023
Mace Windo also has a vane in the same spot that Snoke has a scar on his head
Samual Jackson said I want a purple lightsaber. Lucas said ok. That's it.
4:56 windu did a michael jackson
Hahahah
5:12
Xd it's eerie man.
Did anyone else notice that the backslash on finn would’ve paralyzed him if Disney knew about lightsabers