Loved the "shootout style". Definitely takes allot of time and effort on your side, so maybe only once in a while. But this type of comparison is what many of us are looking for when we are online shopping..
The OEM muffler acts as part of the rear diffuser. Removing that does cause drag, resulting in bent/bulged rear bumper overtime. I would highly recomment one of the Verus diffuser with a custom exhaust.
One thing I think could be interesting to test, is the difference between wheels. Stock vs cast vs forged etc. I have aftermarket wheels on my car, and I went with looks over lightness, and have always been curious if the car feels better with a lighter wheel.
You should have wayyyy more subscribers man, great content. Thinking about getting an 86 here in South Africa, only issue is the 2022 has not yet launched here and the price is wayy more expensive so may settle for an older model .
Great video, enjoyed it from beginning to end . Kudos for not over editing, hate videos where the camera edits zoom in zoom out, jump shots in out, gets old quick and makes them look try hard. A classic example of less is more.
Great review Kevin...thanks for pulling this all together. The only other thing I would have moved to know about each exhaust option would be the change in WHP - if any - that the after market solution provides. Keep cranking out the awesome video reviews!
Great video for sure ! Thank you for taking your time to make a shoot out video like this, really helps for people like myself looking to make my owm build
The small tips and off-center locations would drive me nuts using the Apexi. Too bad because the sound is more mature and refined as Kevin pointed out.
Idk why but that Invidia sounds like a "race" car...i really like the tone and note from it. The other two were much more quiet. The invidia you could hear when you were really far away.
YES! I completely agree. I guess it really goes for personal opinions. I LOVE the sound, and it looks amazing on the car! I just purchased it and can’t wait for it to go on my new car! ‼️‼️‼️
Honestly, no one has uploaded an FTSpeed Catted UEL Header with an Invidia N1, and I was HOPING to finally see and hear it in this video, but NOPE. Kevin, you lied to me like the Kevin from the Jellyspotters lied to Spongebob. 😢
@@aprettyboringguy8963 Noted thanks! I like the black tips and sound of the AWE. I like the Apexi, but I'm not sure it changes the sounds enough especially for $300 more. Normalized audio with the same noise floor would help a lot in these videos
@@DebuggE...don't do the black tips, save $100. It is just a coating and is subject to damage. Yes, the dark tips will hide the dirt/soot, but you have to be careful cleaning them. I went chrome and have no issues, other than dirty all the time
Hey Kevin! Your videos have been super helpful. I’m looking at an understated exhaust (maybe APEXi) and I’m wondering what your thoughts on the cold start are. I need something that doesn’t sound aggressive as I leave to work at ungodly hours of the day. Also have you tried/heard Borla type S? How would it compare for understated exhaust?
Hopefully none of y'all are paying over $1k for "weight savings" with these catbacks since 2-3 pounds is mostly negligible....but man, that aPEXi looks great.
Invidia took it down.. it has a deep throaty tone that sounds great! and as far as the tips being angled up they look awesome! Apexi is to raspy sounding.. my likes are deep, deep, deep sounding exhausts... Greddy makes a great exhaust too..
@@KevinVo After giving the N1 some time to settle in the drone seems minimal to me and it's only loud on cold starts for 15 - 20 seconds... Overall I don't think it's super loud. I can actually drive casually and get in and out without bothering anyone or them even knowing I've arrived. Curious if you think your opinion would change if you drove with it for an extended period.
Nice video, I like this! How does the Apexi compare to the FT86 x Remark quad? I'm finding the quad to have a lot of drone and I'm going to add a resonator, but I'd like to know your thoughts since you've definitely heard both
I think the Remark sounded the best. Maybe it's not translating that well on the video, but the drone didn't seem all that bad to me. As for the A'PEXi, it was too quiet and a bit flat. If Remark were to up their diameter, they'd outsell the A'PEXi.
Not a fan of the catted header. It really doesn't have any different character versus the stock manifold aside from volume. I'd be curious to hear some other UEL headers that bring in the traditional boxer rumble.
me again....how fast will the welds rust? some of us live in the snow belt and salt is a real thing. I'm not worried about the stainless steel pipes, but the welds Have me concerned...thoughts? 🤔
My setup at the moment is tomei uel and N1s full catless. It drones but I don't mind too bad. The remark axleback (aka muffler delete) does shave off a good amount of weight based on your scale!! So now the question is, how bad will the drone be with the remark if I swap it into my setup? Better or worst drone? And is it worth it for just the weight shavings? What would you do if it were you?
Enjoy your content!! How about HP gains on the exhausts? I have a new 2023 GR86. For me it’s all about quiet power… if that is possible. I’ll keep watching!! ✌️
The link to buy the A’PEXi N1-X takes us to a page that says it’s for 2013-2022 cars. But you said the muffler plate says “FA24” on it. Is it tuned for the 2.4 motor but also happens to fit the first gen cars? I’d like to buy it for my second gen, but after seeing HKS retune many of their exhausts for the bigger second gen engine I’m hesitant to buy anything that’s tuned for the first gen or is tuned more universally. Thanks!
It felt like the remark was the more natural sounding. Invidia had a deep and buzzy sound to it. It was like it tried to over amplify the exhaust gases. Apexi was def the worst of the three.
@@TheBadassOne17 oh I know I was inpatient and bought it right away soonest I got the car not doing any research and man that shit is raspy .. I would have to be driving it on sport mode for it to sound okay. But I’m on quad tip remark rn
I don't like the Apexi, it looks bad and the sound is not that loud or beautiful for what you pay for. Invidia's sound is glorious because you can hear the burble notes of the boxer engine
Weight comparison makes no sense. Not only should the Remark be excluded but if you're going to include it you should add back in portion of stock catback weight. Wish the new AWE exhaust was included
The weight of the Remark Axleback was only compared to the weight of the stock muffler. The weight savings would've been the same if I included the mid pipe section. It shaves 10lbs either way.
Nice comparison. Many people confuse louder exhaust with quality good sounding exhaust
I really like the Apexi of the 3, it's a good solid tone without being ridiculously loud. Exactly what I'm looking for despite the 1499 price tag.
Loved the "shootout style". Definitely takes allot of time and effort on your side, so maybe only once in a while. But this type of comparison is what many of us are looking for when we are online shopping..
The OEM muffler acts as part of the rear diffuser. Removing that does cause drag, resulting in bent/bulged rear bumper overtime. I would highly recomment one of the Verus diffuser with a custom exhaust.
One thing I think could be interesting to test, is the difference between wheels. Stock vs cast vs forged etc. I have aftermarket wheels on my car, and I went with looks over lightness, and have always been curious if the car feels better with a lighter wheel.
I thought the Remark sounded the best by far :) The Apexi was too quiet and muffled
Should I get it
The apexi one is meant to be more quiet, honestly if you have strict volume laws or neighbours that exhaust is literally perfection.
You should have wayyyy more subscribers man, great content. Thinking about getting an 86 here in South Africa, only issue is the 2022 has not yet launched here and the price is wayy more expensive so may settle for an older model .
I love my previous gen so I'd say get whatever you're able. They're both great cars!
Great video, enjoyed it from beginning to end .
Kudos for not over editing, hate videos where the camera edits zoom in zoom out, jump shots in out, gets old quick and makes them look try hard.
A classic example of less is more.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
I recommend the AWE Touring, the lack of drone on the highway in my opinion is a game changer to me.
The AWE Touring is one of my favorites!
I do own the invida N1 and I just love it. It sounds super great and like a race car.
Great review Kevin...thanks for pulling this all together. The only other thing I would have moved to know about each exhaust option would be the change in WHP - if any - that the after market solution provides. Keep cranking out the awesome video reviews!
Great video for sure ! Thank you for taking your time to make a shoot out video like this, really helps for people like myself looking to make my owm build
Thank you for watching!!
This man uses Tim and Eric memes. Truly a sounding board for a kind and golden soul.
The small tips and off-center locations would drive me nuts using the Apexi. Too bad because the sound is more mature and refined as Kevin pointed out.
Idk why but that Invidia sounds like a "race" car...i really like the tone and note from it. The other two were much more quiet. The invidia you could hear when you were really far away.
YES! I completely agree. I guess it really goes for personal opinions. I LOVE the sound, and it looks amazing on the car! I just purchased it and can’t wait for it to go on my new car! ‼️‼️‼️
Love the in-depth reviews. I went with the Apexi.
How are you liking it??
Waiting for a video on single exit exhausts!! Would be stellar if you could do the HKS Hi-Power Single Racing V1 and how it compares to duals.
I'll see what I can do!
the Remark is sweet considering the pirce and ease of instal
Honestly, no one has uploaded an FTSpeed Catted UEL Header with an Invidia N1, and I was HOPING to finally see and hear it in this video, but NOPE.
Kevin, you lied to me like the Kevin from the Jellyspotters lied to Spongebob. 😢
Have I missed the HKS Spec L2 or have you not tested it yet?
Fr I’m waiting on this one
Same, even better a side by side with the US spec. L2 is supposed to be quieter than the US spec but I'm really wondering how it sounds with UEL ect.
More exhaust comparisons please 🙏
Great video! You think the Apexi is better than the AWE touring exhaust?
AWE is MUCH louder especially on cold start. If you like loud go for the AWE zygrene has a good video review up for it.
@@aprettyboringguy8963 Noted thanks! I like the black tips and sound of the AWE. I like the Apexi, but I'm not sure it changes the sounds enough especially for $300 more. Normalized audio with the same noise floor would help a lot in these videos
@@DebuggE...don't do the black tips, save $100. It is just a coating and is subject to damage. Yes, the dark tips will hide the dirt/soot, but you have to be careful cleaning them. I went chrome and have no issues, other than dirty all the time
@@K03sport Noted thanks for thr heads up
I'd rather have stock over the N1. but I like my FTspeed UEL headers w/ FTspeed x Remark catback.
stock is lame af N1 is miles better
Remark Remark Remark!
I just purchased an N1 about an hour ago and completely agree with everything you said
I'd like to buy one, I'm actually in love with the tone it has, is it really that loud and obnoxious ?
I would buy the APEXi just for how beautiful it looks. 😍
Hey Kevin! Your videos have been super helpful.
I’m looking at an understated exhaust (maybe APEXi) and I’m wondering what your thoughts on the cold start are. I need something that doesn’t sound aggressive as I leave to work at ungodly hours of the day. Also have you tried/heard Borla type S? How would it compare for understated exhaust?
Thank you for doing this videos. Still have not picked and exhaust but, it will happen someday. :)
Thanks for watching!
Hopefully none of y'all are paying over $1k for "weight savings" with these catbacks since 2-3 pounds is mostly negligible....but man, that aPEXi looks great.
Invidia took it down.. it has a deep throaty tone that sounds great! and as far as the tips being angled up they look awesome!
Apexi is to raspy sounding.. my likes are deep, deep, deep sounding exhausts... Greddy makes a great exhaust too..
that remark is great for what you get
I like the awe touring a bit more
I got the n1 on my gr and I love it ! and I bought it brand new on ebay for 800. better than having the stock muffler.
Glad you're enjoying it!
@@KevinVo After giving the N1 some time to settle in the drone seems minimal to me and it's only loud on cold starts for 15 - 20 seconds... Overall I don't think it's super loud. I can actually drive casually and get in and out without bothering anyone or them even knowing I've arrived. Curious if you think your opinion would change if you drove with it for an extended period.
Nice video, I like this! How does the Apexi compare to the FT86 x Remark quad? I'm finding the quad to have a lot of drone and I'm going to add a resonator, but I'd like to know your thoughts since you've definitely heard both
The Apexi has no drone and is a bit more on the quiet side.
@@KevinVo sick, thank you Kevin!
I just bought a Apexi for my IS 350
I think the Remark sounded the best. Maybe it's not translating that well on the video, but the drone didn't seem all that bad to me. As for the A'PEXi, it was too quiet and a bit flat. If Remark were to up their diameter, they'd outsell the A'PEXi.
My gosh the Apexi looks and sounds amazing. It'll be my next one hopefully 😭
Yeah I tried the balsa wood 🪵 ones they didn’t compasses either
It's quiet, more quiet than the other options
@@K03sport all you have to do is put headers and it’s more than loud enough
Why would you ever spend that much more when its quieter lol
I think the Remark sound way better then the other ones. Sound louder. But i won't put on my car, still quiet.
Nice video and presentation. Lose the Coors light shirt. Subscribed
It was a free shirt from a pickleball league 😂
Thank you for the great informative video.
Thanks for watching!
Any chance regular stainless steel tips will be available in the future?
If you're referring to the APEX'i, I don't believe so.
Invida sounds the best
Not a fan of the catted header. It really doesn't have any different character versus the stock manifold aside from volume. I'd be curious to hear some other UEL headers that bring in the traditional boxer rumble.
Just followed your link to the Apexi N1 and your site is saying it's is discontinued!!!
Very helpful, thanks
me again....how fast will the welds rust? some of us live in the snow belt and salt is a real thing. I'm not worried about the stainless steel pipes, but the welds Have me concerned...thoughts? 🤔
My setup at the moment is tomei uel and N1s full catless. It drones but I don't mind too bad. The remark axleback (aka muffler delete) does shave off a good amount of weight based on your scale!! So now the question is, how bad will the drone be with the remark if I swap it into my setup? Better or worst drone? And is it worth it for just the weight shavings? What would you do if it were you?
I would like to know those compare with the borla cat back systems either s-type or atak
Invidia for daily drive, Tomei for performance!
Enjoy your content!! How about HP gains on the exhausts? I have a new 2023 GR86. For me it’s all about quiet power… if that is possible.
I’ll keep watching!! ✌️
The link to buy the A’PEXi N1-X takes us to a page that says it’s for 2013-2022 cars. But you said the muffler plate says “FA24” on it. Is it tuned for the 2.4 motor but also happens to fit the first gen cars?
I’d like to buy it for my second gen, but after seeing HKS retune many of their exhausts for the bigger second gen engine I’m hesitant to buy anything that’s tuned for the first gen or is tuned more universally. Thanks!
Good question! They're the same exhaust for both cars. You won't see any significant gain from a catback exhaust either way.
I was wondering how much bad (if at all) is for the aerodynamic of the car the empty hole that remain when you remove the stock exhaust.
...easily corrected w/a $600+ rear diffuser 😕
I like the sound of the invidia the best I like the Apexi looks the best
I love my invidia N1 on my 2019.
Nice jumpshot 10/10
That Apexi is beautiful, and the Remark is a bit ugly.. but surprisingly sounded the best on the outside from the video at least
Borla still the best.
Let’s see the eBay exhaust
It felt like the remark was the more natural sounding. Invidia had a deep and buzzy sound to it. It was like it tried to over amplify the exhaust gases. Apexi was def the worst of the three.
What do you think about the ark grip exhaust?
Haven't tried it personally so can't comment.
Yes eBay exhaust!
in the weigh in, not fair comparing weight an axle back to cat back
The axleback weight was subtracted from the oem muffler section and not the whole catback so it was a fair comparison.
Apexi or the HKS spec L II?
I haven't heard the HKS Spec L II in person yet so can't comment.
@@KevinVo thanks for the response Kevin! Would love to see that comparison. Ur the 86 GOAT 🙏
I really like the invidia, but i hate how they angled them... just why🥺
i need an exhaust for my new gr86 pls lol which do u recommend tho?
The remark sounds good man out of the three options in the video
If only the boso tips angled up just past the bumper... __/
Well the A'PEXi sounds almost stock without the UEL...
compare apex i to the tomei
Test out the spec d exhaust from eBay lol
It’s trash, that will rust in a couple of months. Quality is mediocre and starts to rattle. This is from personal experience, buy something better man
@@TheBadassOne17 oh I know I was inpatient and bought it right away soonest I got the car not doing any research and man that shit is raspy .. I would have to be driving it on sport mode for it to sound okay. But I’m on quad tip remark rn
Invidia N1 $1299? I got mine for like 750 lol
Have to say none of the exhausts sound good. May be more a function of being an NA boxer 4
Apex is discontinued:()
I don't like the Apexi, it looks bad and the sound is not that loud or beautiful for what you pay for. Invidia's sound is glorious because you can hear the burble notes of the boxer engine
Weight comparison makes no sense. Not only should the Remark be excluded but if you're going to include it you should add back in portion of stock catback weight. Wish the new AWE exhaust was included
The weight of the Remark Axleback was only compared to the weight of the stock muffler. The weight savings would've been the same if I included the mid pipe section. It shaves 10lbs either way.
Yeah it looks like shit compared to stock
They all sound the same
The apexi was very disappointing. It sounded very hollow, pingy, and cheap tbh
Balsa wood 🪵 did so