So like... can we appreciate how solid that lap time is? Miles ahead of a Golf R, Veloster N, MX-5, and in spitting distance of a Civic Type R? For 30k? That's impressive!
I'm so fucking happy i get to go outside and look at mine every day before going to work. Put just over 10k miles on it, went on a 1200+ mile road trip over one long weekend, even took it camping. This car just FEELS right to drive every day.
I bought mine at 3500 miles and immediately went to Florida from TN. I did that trip in a Camaro SS and it didnt feel as fun as this. My back didnt hurt at all!
You can always tell when the embargo on cars is lifted because of multiple notifications. This was the one I was most excited to see and had to be watched first.
Straight Pipes seems like it's for high school kids, silly cultural memes all the time. No offense to them. TH 10x better and you can tell now that they have more subs. Way funnier and way more detailed and accurate. Anyway I like to save the best for last, GO TH!!!
@@SonOfTamriel Yeah I watch them but not nearly as often as these guys. I crack up every time he hits his helmet on the car door and it makes that ting sound. 😂
This was the funniest into I've seen in a long time, the Gaplebee's card was perfect lmao. But I have to say it's annoying how many people are comparing the Z to this car when they're in two completely different price points. For that matter let's all say how slow the Z is compared to the Vette?
@@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689 It was the price point. A base Z34 could be had at 29K brand new. That's not the case anymore with the Z35 that was just released. The base on that is 39K
@@willliam1343 lol you actually think it's going to be 40k in this market? There's no confirmation on price yet but if you don't think the dealership won't mark this car up to 50k,ur gonna be disappointed
LOL I used to think the same, especially as a bigger guy..then my son bought a 2001 Miata SE, skirts, 17inch wheels, hardtop in silver, added a roll bar. It's an absolute go cart and the best driving exprience I've had and I've driven a lot of wonderful cars
Really like that all-out GR version you showed. Yep, these cars are supposed to be "underpowered" in the sense that once you are comfortable with it at its limit, you tune it. These are modern tuner cars. There's no point in having a 400hp one out of the factory.
That's what I don't like about the car community. We want powerful cars and over half of us can't control them. Or we don't have the discipline to avoid allowing stupidity to get the better of us when we are at the limit.
so happy to see all the positive reviews for the GR86/BRZ. I've always been a fan of these cars and I'm glad they kept the formula and improved upon it where it was needed. I hope to one day own one.
@@Asiansxsymbol the expedition is as fast as this new gr86 in the quarter mile and a bit faster 0-60. Another example would be the Ford F250 which is slightly faster than the expedition. The jist of it is that this car is slow lol.
That lap time is actually pretty damn impressive. Around 1 second off the time of the Supra, RS3 and FK8 Type r. And 2 seconds off the M2 comp which is substantially faster in a straight line making 400hp. I’m loving this
@@VidNibs The two seconds is mainly due to the power difference on the straights though. Put the two cars side by side in a drag race and the gap will exceed 2 seconds. So the GR86 does well to pull back that time in the corners
The fact its 1 second off the Supra, RS3, and FK8 shows how, despite being fun to watch, how statistically inconsistent and pointless the laptimes logged here are. The learning curve for driving an underpowered car is significantly lower than it is for vehicles with markedly more horsepower. No, the GR86 does not in fact run this track near as fast as a Mustang GT or a Supra... it's purely driver competence with a confidence interval of potato.
One of the best drivers' cars ever. No complaints about any of the nits you guys labored over, including ANY track issues. The VAST majority of buyers will NEVER take it to the track, and the numbers really (now that it's got more daily-usable torque) don't matter much. It's simply about engagement and fun. Killer update, and thanks for the great review!
I really wanna see a comparison between gr86 and a gt86 with headers and a tune. That's been a popular way to fix the torque dip and boost power for years. Unfair since we'll probably be able to do that to the gr shortly after release, but I wanna see how close current owners can get.
You guys are getting up there at the top gear level in your skits….a beautiful and fine balance on keeping it funny and not straight ripping it of from the original which other channels are so cheasily doing. Great job …well done
I don't see that, myself. I like Porsches and I like this but I don't see whatever resemblance you see. I'm just glad it doesn't look like most Toyotas because they're some of the ugliest cars around.
@@JohnThomWebb TBH Hondas don't even look like Hondas anymore. Honda looked at (I'm guessing) Audi and Ford, and apparently said 'Yeah, let's do that.'
Porsche styling has always been the 2 dot headlights, and then some black vents, this literally looks absolutely nothing like that, are you all blind or something
It's faster than the Hellcat, Golf R, Miata and Veloster N! And just off the Mustang GT Performance Package. Either Thomas greatly improved or those are some incredible numbers from a 228hp car.
This is what really shocked me and honestly I love it! It shows what even the slightest horsepower gain in such a light and balanced car can do. Definitely a must buy for me.
I was looking at that too...and then I see the charger hellcat way up top...guess the Challenger isn't as good as a track car as the charger...OR..it's just a run of the day on track.
Years ago I've said that these guys are the rightfull successor to Top gear. Even the korean quite caracter for drag races is spot on! Can't believe no one pick them up to do a show still. But I am also gratefull because of that we can watch them for free on youtube. 🙏🙏🙏
Nothing can compare to the excelence of the 86 for driving dynamics, cars are all about fun, the experience that they deliver to you, and therefore this is among the very best cars in the world, a place very few cars can reach. (And being fast or expensive isn't enough to be fun.) I absolutely love it.
I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY this is, but there's still something odd about seeing an 800HP car below the GR86 on the lap time list Edit: For real guys you don’t have to explain why the Hellcat sucks when turning is involved :)
@@x-tremegt860 The dodge is heavy and wouldn't have faired well in the twisty sections. I don't know much about dodges, anyone care to explain why the Charger performed better than the Challenger? I guess the Charger was a more practical platform to build performance into, the Challenger is more of a big boat for stylish cruising? I guess?
@@JanG859 They almost weigh the same. The Charger usually weighs a couple hundred pounds more than the Challenger tbf. The real answer is probably driver input and the transmission. New Chargers only come in auto vs. the Challenger, which can be had with a stick. Unless you're channeling Andretti, the auto shifts quicker. Hands down. But the point is, compared to the 86, the Mopars are bigger and heavier. 2800+ lbs vs 4000+ lbs. If you've never driven either; You can snap an 86 around much quicker than a Hellcat. It's very light. But you'll reel an 86 in a Hellcat in a straight stretch.
@@JanG859 the performance is just about the same, same engine, motor, chassis, etc. But I think the overall styling of the charger is more aerodynamic compared to the challenger (which just like you said is a big boat) so that probably gave it the upper hand
@@JanG859 The Charger has a better weight distribution, more towards the rear, so it can actually put the power down more and be more stable round the corners. On top of that, the Charger is also more aerodynamic, well the effects of this is pretty minimal, but it counts.
The no handle door panel is the only way I can drive it being super tall, really appreciate they did that. The FRS and the MR2 spyder had giant handles that made steering quickly very difficult constantly hitting my knee.
@@TheChimples it really was a photo finish. The Throttle House crew had to view the footage to make a determination. We couldn't tell from the start line!
Outstanding video as always. I realized I don’t fast forward your videos like I do on other youtubers as your videos are informative from start to end.
Amazing video! I’m glad that there’s media like yours to bring relatable, practical car owner’s concerns as well as seasoned perspectives, conversations and pushing cars to their full potential to show us their mettle put to test. This channel’s awesome, thanks, safe travels.
I'm so glad they didn't screw this car up. Faster in a straight line, still amazing on track, low weight and price. I can't wait to drive one of these myself.
@@CruiseControl1 look up premium model price then compare it to a lt1 V8 Camaro for the same price. Not even close car is slow af. Should have been turned. But Subaru knows they in deep shit w turbos. They can't keep a turbo motor of their off of a class action lawsuit. For 2k usd more you can get a Honda type r that wipes the floor with it and has 2 more doors AND A TURBO.
Thomas turning his back on his Canadian heritage with the "Bee-Are-Zee" instead of "Bee-Are-Zed" pronunciation. Great intro and yes - still underpowered.
Pffff. It has the exact same power to weight as my old V8 Lexus, and that thing moves pretty good. The BRZ/86 gearing is bound to be better too. It's not underpowered unless you're trying to flex for other bros.
I had a Miata in England in winter, a company car that was not mine for a rainy weekend. I never looked out of the windscreen, only the side windows. What a riot. This is genuinely where the fun is. Without the jail time an M car would bring.
@@hatch450sx3 For a sports car it's pretty damn good. The Supra in my country is over $100k, the GR Yaris (not that I'd want one) is over $50k. A base MX-5 is over $45k. Assuming the premium version of this car is going to be about $41k I'd say is pretty good. Put a turbo on this thing I would imagine it going up to $65k - $70k.
@@IsaacA192 for your country it may be good and if it is more power to you all 28hp of it lol j/k. Seriously though there is no way with a turbo motor it would be over 33k base. In the us I mean I'm. Not sure how much this car is where you are now.
Yup, I've been thinking the same for while, GR86 is my favorite car at the price point, and was hoping this would be a positive review. Thanks for your video.
Before watching the video clicked like. After watching, all I can say is you guys don't miss with the content. Perfectly put together, funny, and good quality. Keep it up guys
@@wnynj1213 yeah, I'd trade it. Lots more parts are aluminum, engine is basically hot rodded and I like the stiffening of chassis and thr Gr86 looks a lot more. The old one was good but that engine was crap.
Lovely! After owning a BRZ for so many years, nothing else pleases me except a 100K Cayman GT4. So glad they kept it NA. Already ordered a GR86 to put myself in line for an allocation
Kind of looks like a budget F type. I had a 2015 brz and loved that car! Even with the terrible torque dip! Really was a blast to take spirited turns even through the city! Also, hilarious intro! Can relate
I’m sure I watched this when it was first released. I either missed or forgot the “no torque dip” gag. So wonderfully stupid - made me chuckle and groan at the same time. Don’t ever change boys. Don’t ever change.
That’s exactly the problem with this car. It’s too vanilla and boring looking now just like an old civic. Previous models had edgier better looking styling. Cheaper too. No compelling reason to buy a new one over used at all.
But I do agree, the new civics with all the wings and convoluted busy front air dams look ridiculously stupid and overdone to the point of embarrassing actually. I lol every time I see one.
Looks are subjective. I think this looks more aggressive, sculpted, and elegant all at the same time. Not to mention a much better powertrain, a stiffer lower chassis, and much needed interior update and refinement. Definitely a lot of compelling reasons to upgrade.@@user-tb5ns7hc5i
Yes! An ND Miata vs. the new 2022 GR86! That's exactly what I wanted to see. I have an ND, and I'm in the market for a GR86/BRZ because I want to have the 2 extra seats for my 2 toddlers, but I didn't want to feel like I was going to a slower car (I know it's slow to begin with, but I mean slowER), and that looks like it's a pretty similar experience--but with some small back seats. Thanks!
I think the lap times kept getting worse after 1 lap is tire pressure related. PS4S's I get 1 OK pass, 1 slightly better pass from heating up, then runs 3, 4, 5, and 6 I have to continually remove 1-2 PSI every run.
Probably the best intro yet. While not an FR, I too have an under-powered track toy so I can very much relate. I proudly bring to the track (the DDT at the CTMP) my now classic ‘93 del Sol Si. With a full suspension, brake and chassis upgrade, the little FF 2-seater sports a 185whp GSR swap and Type-R LSD making it a thrill to drive. It corners like it’s on rails and occasionally embarrasses “faster” cars in the corners. However, during open lapping events I find myself running with the “advanced” group due to my experience on the track. Signalling the GT3’s and M3’s to pass can be a bit of a killjoy. Keep up the spectacular work, gents!
Not sure why your videos make me laugh and cry, but keep up the great work. I’m looking for a midlife crisis car and it is either this or the MX5. It’s great that Toyota still make this car and I’m amazed by the lap time, well done.
i have a midlife crises too. im turing 40 in a few weeks and i feel sad. like something is missing. maybe i need to get a new car. i have a 2014 FRS and im loving this 2022 GR86. im torn b/n a mx5 and 86 tho. mx5 cost a bit more. im thinking of trading in my old FRS for one of these newere cars
@@badboy-gn8fu Both great cars and I don’t see too many of either on the road. I’d say the MX5 is more of a rare sight on Sydney roads. It’s either these or go down the hot hatch route. Something appealing about being able to drop the top on a nice day and not having to spend big money on a convertible makes me lean toward the Mazda.
Its been 2 years. I still have my '13. What this car needs more than anything is the same thing it's always needed. An inline 4 out of a Camry slightly warmed similar to the MX5. The boxer motor REALLY lets it down.
Any other engine with more power would raise the center of gravity and the hood line. That would destroy what makes this car unique. There are plenty of heavier good cars out there that it would compete with if that happened.
This intro is officially Goated! 🐐
Here before blow up
Hell ya it is 😂😂 i got an ND and an Mr2 so this had me dying hahahaha
factsss
Definitely goated
Yes 🤣🤣🤣🤣
“I’m 29 and I own a Miata”. We all felt that James. We all felt that.
Doesn’t help with getting laid.
🤣🤣🤣
He also owns a B9 Audi S4
@@PHFilms3 LOL
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So like... can we appreciate how solid that lap time is? Miles ahead of a Golf R, Veloster N, MX-5, and in spitting distance of a Civic Type R? For 30k? That's impressive!
Yeah, this really needed a mention in the test imo.
That is fell right between a couple V8 muscle cars also. Even the Supra.
Very respectable place, and they should have expanded on that.
@@joshcoray3777 And those cars all cost more.
@@majist0 exactly. Bang for the buck on that car is solid.
I love it. A great sports car that cheaper than a Miata. I just wish it had 260 hp but besides that it’s great.
When James says his name, he sounds like he just learned it. And he's so excited by it
This was probably the most enthusiastic delivery of it yet
Everytime😂
Yeah don't copy comments bro
I'm so fucking happy i get to go outside and look at mine every day before going to work. Put just over 10k miles on it, went on a 1200+ mile road trip over one long weekend, even took it camping. This car just FEELS right to drive every day.
Living. The. Dream.
Auto or manual?
I bought mine at 3500 miles and immediately went to Florida from TN. I did that trip in a Camaro SS and it didnt feel as fun as this. My back didnt hurt at all!
That intro was fucking gold
interesting to see you here...VEEERRRYYYY INNNNTERRRESTINNNNG
*Knowing that you're a petrol head is fucking gold too* 🔥🔥🔥
Woah wut!?!?!?!?!
Yo.....
MemerMan’s a car guy 👁👁
You can always tell when the embargo on cars is lifted because of multiple notifications. This was the one I was most excited to see and had to be watched first.
Yeah, straight pipes posted too.
Straight Pipes seems like it's for high school kids, silly cultural memes all the time. No offense to them. TH 10x better and you can tell now that they have more subs. Way funnier and way more detailed and accurate. Anyway I like to save the best for last, GO TH!!!
@@SonOfTamriel Yeah I watch them but not nearly as often as these guys. I crack up every time he hits his helmet on the car door and it makes that ting sound. 😂
That intro was great 😂 Whenever I am in my BRZ everyone wants to race, but when I am in my Scat Pack no one wants to race lol
And what do you drive when you wake up?
See I would run ya, freaking love the sound of the scat pack, even if I am losing lol
@@ivanjovanovic362 dream a little higher next time
I used to like racing those who used to say ''no one wants to race''.
Now more mature and wiser, drive safe guys. ;)
I have a f30 328i, still waiting to race a BRZ/FRS D= , think it would be a good race
I love the simplicity - i hope that trend catches on, less piano gloss, less clutter, just usable good space
This was the funniest into I've seen in a long time, the Gaplebee's card was perfect lmao. But I have to say it's annoying how many people are comparing the Z to this car when they're in two completely different price points. For that matter let's all say how slow the Z is compared to the Vette?
Indeed bro. 86 never be comparable to Z, even in the past.
@@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689 It was the price point. A base Z34 could be had at 29K brand new.
That's not the case anymore with the Z35 that was just released. The base on that is 39K
Not a 400z tho.
They will be 4.2 seconds to 100km.
All for 40k us. Sooo...
@@willliam1343 lol you actually think it's going to be 40k in this market? There's no confirmation on price yet but if you don't think the dealership won't mark this car up to 50k,ur gonna be disappointed
@@D-AVG in New Zealand it will be well over 75k. I'm not sure about usa mate.
James: I own a Miata. Everyone else: So brave.
Stunning too
Also the one feeding you dust right now
LOL I used to think the same, especially as a bigger guy..then my son bought a 2001 Miata SE, skirts, 17inch wheels, hardtop in silver, added a roll bar. It's an absolute go cart and the best driving exprience I've had and I've driven a lot of wonderful cars
@@chrisgravel7157 but you could also sell it to a male hairdresser and he would be thrilled.
@@yannyyansen9743 lost
Man, the way Thomas smiles every time he pulls a huge powerslide just shows the love. Amazing video man. Love you guys.
I just smashed the like button as soon as "I've never seen front of 370z"..you guys have one of the best intros
It wouldn't even see the front of a 350z lol
@@jponz85 it would see the front of a 350z. And tracked the 350 would be left for dead.
@@wayward03 350Zs are understeering pigs, 370Zs aren't any better as well.
Really like that all-out GR version you showed. Yep, these cars are supposed to be "underpowered" in the sense that once you are comfortable with it at its limit, you tune it. These are modern tuner cars. There's no point in having a 400hp one out of the factory.
That's what I don't like about the car community. We want powerful cars and over half of us can't control them. Or we don't have the discipline to avoid allowing stupidity to get the better of us when we are at the limit.
it's 30k lmao you're acting like this is a 5k shitbox
so happy to see all the positive reviews for the GR86/BRZ. I've always been a fan of these cars and I'm glad they kept the formula and improved upon it where it was needed. I hope to one day own one.
The intro was perfect. I would have said "I pulled up next to an expedition max platinum and got destroyed by a 6,000 pound mom SUV.
Wow thats really sad and soul crushing.
SUVs should not be a loud to be fast
Better one that actually happened to my friend, gapped by a Ford Fusion rental car
@@fry.master Fusion ! 🤣😂
@@Asiansxsymbol the expedition is as fast as this new gr86 in the quarter mile and a bit faster 0-60. Another example would be the Ford F250 which is slightly faster than the expedition. The jist of it is that this car is slow lol.
That lap time is actually pretty damn impressive. Around 1 second off the time of the Supra, RS3 and FK8 Type r. And 2 seconds off the M2 comp which is substantially faster in a straight line making 400hp. I’m loving this
and faster than a hellcat lmao
@@VidNibs The two seconds is mainly due to the power difference on the straights though. Put the two cars side by side in a drag race and the gap will exceed 2 seconds. So the GR86 does well to pull back that time in the corners
@@fueledgti isn’t that the whole cars philosophy ? I’ve driven plenty of fast cars yet I feel no joy.
I really want one of these
@@Jonathan-br6oh unfortunately, most of American only cares about straight lines laptime
The fact its 1 second off the Supra, RS3, and FK8 shows how, despite being fun to watch, how statistically inconsistent and pointless the laptimes logged here are. The learning curve for driving an underpowered car is significantly lower than it is for vehicles with markedly more horsepower. No, the GR86 does not in fact run this track near as fast as a Mustang GT or a Supra... it's purely driver competence with a confidence interval of potato.
Everytime James says 'And Im James!' he sounds so excited, *everytime*. And that shirt and pants tho
Thats what I'm saying
🤣🤣 I don't think I'll ever unhear/unsee it.
It’s always “And I’m James! 😀”
Like the SNL bit: "And I'm Eric!"
One of the best drivers' cars ever. No complaints about any of the nits you guys labored over, including ANY track issues. The VAST majority of buyers will NEVER take it to the track, and the numbers really (now that it's got more daily-usable torque) don't matter much. It's simply about engagement and fun. Killer update, and thanks for the great review!
I really wanna see a comparison between gr86 and a gt86 with headers and a tune. That's been a popular way to fix the torque dip and boost power for years. Unfair since we'll probably be able to do that to the gr shortly after release, but I wanna see how close current owners can get.
I got 4 notifications from 4 different youtubers. Still choose the OG's Throttle House
“Choosing between them is like choosing a favorite child, something only my dad seems to have mastered 😢” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
OMG that was brutal!!!! lol
Damn ,sorry Bro'
That line by itself made the outro music way more sad. xD
It’s not every day someone says something that hits me right hard in the feels. That absolutely did.
Mmmm, selfburn.
You guys are getting up there at the top gear level in your skits….a beautiful and fine balance on keeping it funny and not straight ripping it of from the original which other channels are so cheasily doing. Great job …well done
They’ve surpassed Topgear. I don’t know how they haven’t been offered a syndicated show contract yet.
These guys have better humour!
You guys are really amazing.
Out of all online reviews for this new GR86, your video was the only one I could finish in one sitting.
Thank you.
Hagerty's review was fire too
I absolutely love that it finished exactly above the Hellcat. A car that goes out of its way to be a paper tiger.
"the miata is the best car in the world...depending who you ask" the truest words to ever be said.
If you ask people who never drove an S2k you mean 😜
@@CanisLupus_666 I dunno man, ND2 vs S2000 is a hell of a fight
@@CanisLupus_666 s2k is too heavy
@@CanisLupus_666 a car that costs like 2 times more than a miata?
@@ihavenoideahelp5239 yeah nowadays again… i got my 2005 S2k for 25k € in 2011 … now they want 40k for it where i live… miatas aren’t the best value …
THE BEST INTRO YET 😂😂😂😂😂
And the torque dip 😂
Intro*
This thing would kill with the 2gr-fse, please toyota
This is was sets these guys apart, and the do it very well
@@nihrke3844 imagine the supercharged 2gr like the one lotus uses this car would fly
They really leaned into the "poor mans Porsche" with the styling, and it worked out very well.
I don't see that, myself. I like Porsches and I like this but I don't see whatever resemblance you see. I'm just glad it doesn't look like most Toyotas because they're some of the ugliest cars around.
In fact, at least on the outside, I think it looks more like a Honda than a Toyota.
@@JohnThomWebb TBH Hondas don't even look like Hondas anymore. Honda looked at (I'm guessing) Audi and Ford, and apparently said 'Yeah, let's do that.'
@@JohnThomWebb I see the Porsche styling in the new BRZ more than I do in the new 86
Porsche styling has always been the 2 dot headlights, and then some black vents, this literally looks absolutely nothing like that, are you all blind or something
I didn't like the design at first, but seeing it in action, its really grown on me. Great looking car and looks so damn fun too.
This week saw a lot of good GR86 video reviews. This is the best one. Very entertaining and from a production value technical sense, near perfection.
It's faster than the Hellcat, Golf R, Miata and Veloster N! And just off the Mustang GT Performance Package. Either Thomas greatly improved or those are some incredible numbers from a 228hp car.
Right?? Amazing time
Exactly what I was thinking,corner speed must be high.
This is what really shocked me and honestly I love it! It shows what even the slightest horsepower gain in such a light and balanced car can do. Definitely a must buy for me.
I was looking at that too...and then I see the charger hellcat way up top...guess the Challenger isn't as good as a track car as the charger...OR..it's just a run of the day on track.
When you have big HP and weight it becomes your enemy on every corner entry.
Torque Dip omg!! These guys need a Netflix show. Too good!
Yeah lol
“If you look at the gauge cluster…”
*engine revs*
“It does sound good.”
“This is important James.”
Civic vs k5 gt
th-cam.com/video/W9_xnACUcf0/w-d-xo.html
That car didn’t even have gas lmao
Years ago I've said that these guys are the rightfull successor to Top gear. Even the korean quite caracter for drag races is spot on! Can't believe no one pick them up to do a show still. But I am also gratefull because of that we can watch them for free on youtube. 🙏🙏🙏
Nothing can compare to the excelence of the 86 for driving dynamics, cars are all about fun, the experience that they deliver to you, and therefore this is among the very best cars in the world, a place very few cars can reach. (And being fast or expensive isn't enough to be fun.) I absolutely love it.
As a previous owner of a Miata, the opening got me right in the feels.
Hopefully it wasn't the 90bph 1.6 NA
"Choosing between them is like choosing a favorite child, something that only my dad had mastered (with crying voice)" 🤣🤣🤣
I know that was super hilarious 🤣
I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY this is, but there's still something odd about seeing an 800HP car below the GR86 on the lap time list
Edit: For real guys you don’t have to explain why the Hellcat sucks when turning is involved :)
Wait what
@@x-tremegt860 The dodge is heavy and wouldn't have faired well in the twisty sections. I don't know much about dodges, anyone care to explain why the Charger performed better than the Challenger? I guess the Charger was a more practical platform to build performance into, the Challenger is more of a big boat for stylish cruising? I guess?
@@JanG859 They almost weigh the same. The Charger usually weighs a couple hundred pounds more than the Challenger tbf. The real answer is probably driver input and the transmission. New Chargers only come in auto vs. the Challenger, which can be had with a stick. Unless you're channeling Andretti, the auto shifts quicker. Hands down.
But the point is, compared to the 86, the Mopars are bigger and heavier. 2800+ lbs vs 4000+ lbs. If you've never driven either; You can snap an 86 around much quicker than a Hellcat. It's very light. But you'll reel an 86 in a Hellcat in a straight stretch.
@@JanG859 the performance is just about the same, same engine, motor, chassis, etc. But I think the overall styling of the charger is more aerodynamic compared to the challenger (which just like you said is a big boat) so that probably gave it the upper hand
@@JanG859 The Charger has a better weight distribution, more towards the rear, so it can actually put the power down more and be more stable round the corners.
On top of that, the Charger is also more aerodynamic, well the effects of this is pretty minimal, but it counts.
The no handle door panel is the only way I can drive it being super tall, really appreciate they did that. The FRS and the MR2 spyder had giant handles that made steering quickly very difficult constantly hitting my knee.
Now this is just Top Gear with your very own twist to it.
...
...it doesn't get any better than this. Great work.
This car is already a certified hood classic. Design wise both interior and exterior, this will be timeless I see what Thomas was saying
I prefer the wider looking graphics of the 1st gen compared to the taller graphics of the 2nd gen, but the 2nd gen doesn't look bad on its own
James hitting the BMW i8 windshield to his helmet, in the intro always gets me.
The “getting in” helmet, as he called it. Sooo, funny. Every single time!
Yeah that helmet to windshield is a classic
Too bad that my ND2 RF lost by a nose. It was fun hanging out with you guys. Thanks for the Gatorade, pizza and wings!
Thanks for coming out!!
@@ThrottleHouse call me any time that you need an ND2! See you at the next Miata BBQ.
It honestly looked like a tie to me. And considering the ND2 lead for most of the race I wouldn't call that a loss at all.
@@TheChimples it really was a photo finish. The Throttle House crew had to view the footage to make a determination. We couldn't tell from the start line!
Outstanding video as always. I realized I don’t fast forward your videos like I do on other youtubers as your videos are informative from start to end.
Amazing video! I’m glad that there’s media like yours to bring relatable, practical car owner’s concerns as well as seasoned perspectives, conversations and pushing cars to their full potential to show us their mettle put to test. This channel’s awesome, thanks, safe travels.
I'm so glad they didn't screw this car up. Faster in a straight line, still amazing on track, low weight and price. I can't wait to drive one of these myself.
GR86 also looks amazing from the front
Haha low price
@@aaronp9835 Yes it is low priced, tell me another brand new car that is 2+2, front engine, rwd, track ready sports car.
@@CruiseControl1 this is true. but its still pricey. Id rather get me a 3,000 350z that i could beat on and not feel bad about it
@@CruiseControl1 look up premium model price then compare it to a lt1 V8 Camaro for the same price. Not even close car is slow af. Should have been turned. But Subaru knows they in deep shit w turbos. They can't keep a turbo motor of their off of a class action lawsuit. For 2k usd more you can get a Honda type r that wipes the floor with it and has 2 more doors AND A TURBO.
Thomas turning his back on his Canadian heritage with the "Bee-Are-Zee" instead of "Bee-Are-Zed" pronunciation.
Great intro and yes - still underpowered.
100% the people that named it BRZ pronounced it Zee. BRZed doesn't roll off the tongue at all lmao
Underpowered maybe but a lot better than the last car.
If it had more power it would be a hell of a lot more expensive.
Pffff. It has the exact same power to weight as my old V8 Lexus, and that thing moves pretty good. The BRZ/86 gearing is bound to be better too. It's not underpowered unless you're trying to flex for other bros.
I disagree; he called the 370 the 370 zed
“underpowered car owners anonymous”, so hilarious when the guy said having a Miata is “so brave”
This is the best episode you guys have ever made. Very reminiscent of some classic Top Gear.
was thinking the same, the track, the commentary, the music, the editing, feels so familiar
I had a Miata in England in winter, a company car that was not mine for a rainy weekend. I never looked out of the windscreen, only the side windows. What a riot. This is genuinely where the fun is. Without the jail time an M car would bring.
"Thomas Holland - Canada" on his racing helmet.
I wonder if there's a Thomas Canada in Holland with a similar one.
lol
I can't wait until you guys get your hands on the newest Nissan Zed
I cant wait 😆
You realize that zed is just how Canadians pronounce the letter Z right? You don’t have to type out zed it would just be Nissan Z
@@G4LStudios yup. Fully realized.
Zeds dead
I'm so happy that Toyobaru still make affordable rwd coupes in the 2020's
They aren't really affordable almost $30k for a base with no turbo is terrible.
@@hatch450sx3 For a sports car it's pretty damn good. The Supra in my country is over $100k, the GR Yaris (not that I'd want one) is over $50k. A base MX-5 is over $45k. Assuming the premium version of this car is going to be about $41k I'd say is pretty good. Put a turbo on this thing I would imagine it going up to $65k - $70k.
@@IsaacA192 for your country it may be good and if it is more power to you all 28hp of it lol j/k. Seriously though there is no way with a turbo motor it would be over 33k base. In the us I mean I'm. Not sure how much this car is where you are now.
@@hatch450sx3 Now 30k is considered "unaffordable".
@@GT-RTData9 you are insane if you don't think 30k is a small sum of money. Again I'll say it I drive a 38k 19 Camaro SS. But 30k is still 30k.
Yup, I've been thinking the same for while, GR86 is my favorite car at the price point, and was hoping this would be a positive review. Thanks for your video.
Before watching the video clicked like. After watching, all I can say is you guys don't miss with the content. Perfectly put together, funny, and good quality. Keep it up guys
"and quite a lot of messing around."
James: **bonk**
I fast forward through almost every channel’s intro. Never these cats. I live for the bonk.
@@WaitingforUlcers same 😂
That shit would've hurt so bad without that helmet
Which episode has the bonk??
@@whiskey_icarus ...the one with the i8. search their channel for "BMW" or "i8". It's actually really good...
They fixed everything wrong with the old one, and kept the good stuff. Love it.
Do you own an Old gen and if so would you really trade it for this new one
@@wnynj1213 yeah, I'd trade it. Lots more parts are aluminum, engine is basically hot rodded and I like the stiffening of chassis and thr Gr86 looks a lot more. The old one was good but that engine was crap.
This is probs one of the best cars to have as a first car for fun
This was the first video i watched on the new Twins
My BRZ has arrived finally. Thank you for being the best youtube channel. I love all your videos
Lovely! After owning a BRZ for so many years, nothing else pleases me except a 100K Cayman GT4. So glad they kept it NA. Already ordered a GR86 to put myself in line for an allocation
How? You can only order BRZs right now
@@chaseeason6789 my bad, the wording. I put a deposit to "line up" for one. The pre-order thing.
@@gtmotivenft gotcha. Yeah, that's what led me to order a BRZ as no one really knows when you'll even be able to order an 86.
I actually really like the interior. Simple, modern enough and has everything you need to have fun and drive it every day if you want.
Today I learned geese don't sweat.
This fact is useless, and I was already fairly certain of this.
Thanks James!
Seriously, I love these vids!
Savage geese sweat
A lot of animals don't sweat, sweating is mostly a mammal thing
Loved the “goh” noise of the engine that was described perfectly. Drag race was good to see wondered how much faster GR86 was in a draggy race.
Owned a 2012 and loved it.
This update makes me want another.
You guys are the absolute best at this
Always love to watch Throttle House, review is fun while complete at the same time
I love the both gr86 and mx5 these are two legends.
The rear end looks like an Acura NSX but in 360p. lol. but that intro was the best yet.
Looking at your helmet i just realized you're officially the second most famous Tom Holland
In my opinion they really nailed it with this car. It looks so much better than the old one and kept it´s spirit, well done Toyota! 👍
"Booming" or what the rest of the world calls Droning 👍
Kind of looks like a budget F type. I had a 2015 brz and loved that car! Even with the terrible torque dip! Really was a blast to take spirited turns even through the city! Also, hilarious intro! Can relate
In ten years I’m still going to be watching you guys and laughing til my gut hurts. Cheers!
You two have the best openings of any car show. The whole show is the best!!!
the old one looks 20 years old next to the new one. The update has been one of the best visually for a car maker in years.
This is the funniest channel I have ever seen. You guys are hilarious, especially your intros
first timer or wut???
Amen, fellas...you guys are the best Canadian automotive content on the web IMHO, keep up the good work!
the new one looks great! a bit more purposeful and aggressive without being too out there.
I’m sure I watched this when it was first released. I either missed or forgot the “no torque dip” gag. So wonderfully stupid - made me chuckle and groan at the same time. Don’t ever change boys. Don’t ever change.
There really is no better car channel. This is it. This has always been it.
“Ok, let do some exterior shots for the intro…. Oh, get one of that adaptive headlight twerking!”
James going "BBBUUUUHHHHHHHHH" was something I never knew I needed
best opening you've done for a while loved the vid lads
I absolutely love the exterior styling of this newer version.
The startup animation on the gauge 😍😍😍
This car looks so good. The civic could take some styling queues from Toyota.
That’s exactly the problem with this car. It’s too vanilla and boring looking now just like an old civic. Previous models had edgier better looking styling. Cheaper too. No compelling reason to buy a new one over used at all.
But I do agree, the new civics with all the wings and convoluted busy front air dams look ridiculously stupid and overdone to the point of embarrassing actually. I lol every time I see one.
Looks are subjective. I think this looks more aggressive, sculpted, and elegant all at the same time. Not to mention a much better powertrain, a stiffer lower chassis, and much needed interior update and refinement. Definitely a lot of compelling reasons to upgrade.@@user-tb5ns7hc5i
@@user-tb5ns7hc5iaccept for the torque dip in the engine.
Yes! An ND Miata vs. the new 2022 GR86! That's exactly what I wanted to see. I have an ND, and I'm in the market for a GR86/BRZ because I want to have the 2 extra seats for my 2 toddlers, but I didn't want to feel like I was going to a slower car (I know it's slow to begin with, but I mean slowER), and that looks like it's a pretty similar experience--but with some small back seats. Thanks!
Yeh i hope i can get 4 and 7 year old in the bk?!
"Something only my dad seems to have mastered" 😂 - great video!
Top 3 car review channel on YT right now! Keep up the good work
This channel is getting better and better each coming day,the intros,best in youtube
I think the lap times kept getting worse after 1 lap is tire pressure related. PS4S's I get 1 OK pass, 1 slightly better pass from heating up, then runs 3, 4, 5, and 6 I have to continually remove 1-2 PSI every run.
That exhaust sound imitation by James 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I still have a blast driving my '13 BRZ. Even if, I admit sometimes, it is a little awkward pulling away a bit slow from the lights.
Probably the best intro yet.
While not an FR, I too have an under-powered track toy so I can very much relate. I proudly bring to the track (the DDT at the CTMP) my now classic ‘93 del Sol Si. With a full suspension, brake and chassis upgrade, the little FF 2-seater sports a 185whp GSR swap and Type-R LSD making it a thrill to drive. It corners like it’s on rails and occasionally embarrasses “faster” cars in the corners. However, during open lapping events I find myself running with the “advanced” group due to my experience on the track. Signalling the GT3’s and M3’s to pass can be a bit of a killjoy.
Keep up the spectacular work, gents!
I could never get past the looks of the old one. Now I can because I don't have to. It was always on the details and this time they got them right.
Not sure why your videos make me laugh and cry, but keep up the great work. I’m looking for a midlife crisis car and it is either this or the MX5. It’s great that Toyota still make this car and I’m amazed by the lap time, well done.
i have a midlife crises too. im turing 40 in a few weeks and i feel sad. like something is missing. maybe i need to get a new car. i have a 2014 FRS and im loving this 2022 GR86. im torn b/n a mx5 and 86 tho. mx5 cost a bit more. im thinking of trading in my old FRS for one of these newere cars
@@badboy-gn8fu Both great cars and I don’t see too many of either on the road. I’d say the MX5 is more of a rare sight on Sydney roads. It’s either these or go down the hot hatch route. Something appealing about being able to drop the top on a nice day and not having to spend big money on a convertible makes me lean toward the Mazda.
I’ve been watching your channel for a while now, the videos just keep getting better. You guys should be proud of what you’ve built.
When James said "Fascinating", you couldn't have been more English, like Victorian English.
Its been 2 years. I still have my '13. What this car needs more than anything is the same thing it's always needed. An inline 4 out of a Camry slightly warmed similar to the MX5. The boxer motor REALLY lets it down.
Any other engine with more power would raise the center of gravity and the hood line. That would destroy what makes this car unique. There are plenty of heavier good cars out there that it would compete with if that happened.
The intro scene said it all. You guys are just something else