$20K HYPER-NAKED Motorcycles Put To The Test. WHICH ONE WINS?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- In this test we’ve thrown three machines that hover in the $20,000 range-the aforementioned Aprilia ($19,599) and KTM ($21,399: as tested), and the new-for-’22 Yamaha MT-10 SP ($17,199)-into the mosh pit to see who will go up against the two brand-new, more-expensive contenders that were released for 2023, the $27,035 BMW M 1000 R and the $37,995 Ducati Streetfighter V4 SP2. The winner of this first trio will get to go head-to-head in a final winner-take-all showdown in Part II.
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I have a 21 Aprilia Tuono Factory 1100 with the race ecm, and upgraded exhaust. Riding buddies have the 22 Ducati Streetfighter Sp and the 22 KTM superduke. For me the Aprilia engine is much more suited for street riding. While the KTM has a bunch of low end grunt it quickly runs out of steam up top. The Duc has improved the mid range since its debut, but still makes most of its power up top. All are comfortable, and are amazing machines, I still favor the Aprilia, the chassis is just supreme, the engine has a great mid range punch with decent power up top. The Yamaha is just out of its league in comparison. Tuono, Superduke, Streetfighter, Beemer are simply amazing machines, best ever built period, anyone of them are just fantastic!
Mt are more comfortable, Tuono more raw and racey✊🔥🔥🔥
@@helgejohan3604the betas who made this video have apparently never ridden either the MT nor the Aprilia. Bizarre.
How does the race ecu map change the power delivery?
@paulhope3401 Race ECU smooths out the power delivery and is necessary if you upgrade the exhaust. The additional midrange torque and extra 6-7 hp are nice too.
@@Motomack1042 Thanks.
One thing that wasn't mentioned was the sound they make. The Tuono's v4 is one of the best sounds. Adds to the grin factor
And the Yam isn't far behind. It has a v4 sound to it from the cross-plane crank motor
Cp4 and v4 sound awesome 💯
Love how people get soooo butt-hurt when their make and model isn't number one in a test. Your bike is your number one to you, so be happy. The Tuono had won the vast majority of the naked for the past 10-ish years from many respected, online magazines and sites.....for a reason, it's that good and for the most part, edges the others out by just a little. I've ridden all of them and agree, the Tuono is the best (IMHO). Deal with it ya'll! 😀
And it depends on the review. I just watched one with Sd in first place, Duc in second and the Tuono third. Ultimately, all of these bikes are great and we're splitting hairs mostly. Ride what inspires you and that you genuinely enjoy riding. I've owned both the Tuono and SD, and will take the SD every day for fun street riding. My 6'2 body doesnt care much for the cramped Tuono riding position either.
I'm gray man. I neither love nor hate. I look at facts.
how long do you need to wait for parts?
One thing these tests just can not test is long term reliability. I've run an MT10 for 7 years and 32,000 miles with zero issues or problems.
Its comfortable and for me the best street bike I've owned. (Shame about the styling)
Preach ! 👏
I'm looking at the MT10SP for this exact reason.
Many friends have had BMW, KTM and Aprilia. When electrical issues come they take forever to fix and cost a fortune if out of warranty.
I don't get to ride much and want to just open the garage door and it work.
I have a Honda CBR600RR-05, so 18years old, that gives me no problems.
@@King_Harrold Yep, having something that keeps working is more important than the bragging rights of peak power figures. There's not been a single time in 7 years of ownership I've ever thought "I wish I had more power"
I’ve had a tuono for 6 years 25k miles on it! And my god this bike is a chrismas tree on the dash! They always have someting! Now i have a mt10 its my 4 years with and nothing! I love it so much more!
Can't go wrong with a yammi hey
Triumph Speed Triple should have been included.
Agreed, plus the Z H2
Yep
Z H2 isn’t even close to the same caliber of bike, yes it’s fast, but that’s about it. I could see the Speed Triple, but I don’t think it would win.
45 triumph speed triple owners agree with you 😄
This is worst naked bike which I ever tested from hypernaked class.
It may not win shootouts but the MT-10 is a incredible bike. Fix the brakes and drop some weight and its a weapon.
The problem is: fixing the brake isn't that easy. Ok for the pads, etc. but I think the main problem is in the electronics of the bike. European bikes generally allow for a mode that disables the ABS on the rear. In return, you get ALL of the available power for the front. Getting your braking impaired because you are loosing some weight on the rear is really irritating. Of course you can try and disable the ABS totally... But why, Yamaha?
As fabiena1787 said the problem is the ABS. If upgrade the brakes, calipers disks pads etc then the abs will be even worse.
In other words get another bike
I don’t understand the reason of building a bike that nobody likes the looks of it.
It also looks ugly asf compared to the other 2
This has to be one of the most engaging reviews I have ever watched. Great level of detail, b roll, personal opinion, market insights, really good “feel” for the audience. Thank you very much.
All three of these bikes have such great character. What a great class.
Excellent review! However, the KTM makes a 180 HP & weighs 417 dry. I also have to say that if you upgrade the stock stabilizer on the KTM to an adjustable one, which WP offers, the uneasiness of the bike in the corners that they mentioned in their review, goes away. The bike is so smooth in any corner. And if you encounter bumpiness in the corner, the adjustable stabilizer works great. If you owe a KTM or are thinking about getting one, is something I definitely recommend.
I’m nearly certain the power numbers discussed were dyno numbers not manufacture flywheel spec as is typical advertised vs real world.
We run all the bikes on our dynojet dyno and get actual rear-wheel horsepower, and weigh them on our own scales. The OEMs claims are crankshaft power ratings.
@@blakeconner7493 that’s what I thought 👍🏼
The other thing that people don't understand about the KTM is that holding on to the bars with a death grip is really what the problem is. If you just hold on loosely like you're SUPPOSED to (even in racing), the bike is calm and feels great.
The progressive steering damper from Hyperpro seems to be far superior to the upgraded one offered by KTM.
Owned both the superduke and aprilia, couldnt sell the aprilia fast enough. These motojournos are mostly racers and track junkies, which explains their picks. For actual, real world riding, nothing beats the superduke.
Completely disagree.
Completely agree.
Completely agree
Mt 10 are more comfortable and easy to ride, but Superduke more raw and fun✊🔥🔥
I've owned both. The Tuono was always begging to go faster and generally not so fun at legal speeds. The SD was fun no matter the speed. You can only go so fast on the street anyway. And as a taller rider, 6'2, the SD is way more comfy. If I was gonna do track days, I'd prob prefer the Tuono. Bust for strictly street riding, SD wins in my books. It's also not as thirsty as the Tuono.
I've never heard anyone say the MT10 lacks torque, or power
They allowed these testosterone-free betas to make this worthless review video. Seriously, this was pathetic. 🎉🎉
I find this with motorcycle reviews. They ride the big bikes so often and are very capable riders. I don't think any of us are going to have an issue with power coming out of a corner with any of these bikes 😂 If anything, it's too much. Great review!
Anything over 120Hp for the public streets is already too much.
Agreed. Saying any of these bikes lack power at any point in the rev-range is hilarious. It’s understandable that the KTM is a V-Twin and not a 4 cylinder so top end pulls differently, but it’s a 180 horsepower BEAST! Seemingly endless power.
@@theguitarhero898 Anything with 180hp will be fast at any speed.
Hard to beat the MT-10SP for the price
And that engine/exhaust sound- to die for. $ for $, the MT10 can't be beaten.
I was gonna say it’s easy to beat the looks, though. But then I prefer the KTM so I probably shouldn’t comment. 😂
In some countries like Sweden its only 500 euro apart from the Ape.
138whp at that price point is absurdly easy to beat
@@TheAsheybabe89a descent flash, decat and airfilter makes a huge different. My mt10 makes now 163rwhp and 125nm at the rear wheel. At the same time i reduced some weight of the bike +/- 11kg my mt10 weighs now 203kg with a full gas tank. Thats enough power for fun ride
Test rode Aprilia just before I ordered the bike. Unfortunately the ergonomics is a nightmare and the heat generated from the bike was definitely a write off. Jumped straight onto the KTM evo and was blown away. So comfortable, so much torque and a great city bike for commuting. The front of bike looks like a Batmobile. Also, the Aprilia looks really cheap and plasticky. So glad that cancelled the Aprilia factory and bought the KTM Evo. Also with £2000 additional offer from the dealer for the part exchange helped with the down payment. Got the dealer to install Puig screen and a tail tidy. The Evo now is just perfect! If you get a chance do ride the KTM. It’s brilliant!
See nobody really mentions these things like how hot the bikes run. They mostly seem to speak as If the bikes are faultless. And I feel that's morally wrong
The MT10 costs 3/4 of what the KTM does and I'd gamble on it still working in 5 years.
4 years (including winters) and 35,000 miles of every type of riding later, my MT-10 hasn't missed a beat. The other two bikes are incredible (a good friend owns a Tuono) but fragile and lacking in dealer/servicing support compared to the Yamaha.
I'm looking at the MT10SP for this exact reason.
Many friends have had BMW, KTM and Aprilia. When electrical issues come they take forever to fix and cost a fortune if out of warranty.
I don't get to ride much and want to just open the garage door and it work.
I have a Honda CBR600RR-05, so 18years old, that gives me no problems.
@@King_Harrold They don't make new Hondas like old ones. Even in 2008 they were going way downhill. Knew a guy who had a connecting rod snap (!?) on a 1000RR with 13k miles. Honda told him he was out of warranty, hard luck.
My 99 CBR600F4 was indestructible. Crashed it twice on track, the fairings just changed colors.
@@aluisious Ive owned mine for the last 8 years and wont be selling it. Deciding what to add to the garage has been hard due to many modern bikes having reliability issues.
I guess it is the price you pay for modern tech. There's plenty of old Japanese bikes but you don't see retro BMWs or KTMs...
@@King_Harrold I've got a 2016 Multistrada and it's exquisite to ride but it ate the con rod bearing at 29k miles. Fortunately I bought a service contract on it that paid the $9k to repair the engine.
In the end the second contract will expire after I've owned the bike for 10 years, which I guess is sort of good for a Ducati. If I take the purchase price and divide by 10 I guess that's the annual fee for riding it, and if it survives any longer than that, that's gravy.
Next bike is probably a Ninja 1000. You don't hear people saying "oh man, my Kawasaki broke down." Suzukis are also pretty reliable.
Like most bikes the MT-10 is transformed with an ECU flash. I had many complaints about my 2023 until I flashed it now I’m in love.
Mt10 reveal the real side after the flash and removing cat! Not the same bike after that! I have a 2018 flash and i like it a lot! Not missing my tuono at all!
Not really. It barely hits 150 HP with a flash and exhaust from its 137ish whp stock. The power just isn't there for the price. You can get a gsxs 1000 with similar power for less, and well quite a few bikes with more power stock to the wheel than the MT10 has even after flash and exhaust
Just curious where the Kawasaki Z H2 lands with this group? Was there something about it that kept it out of the running?
It's heavy ass broke the landing strip and belly crashed and so it remains there and couldn't be tested.
It's mass of a thousand Suns kept it out of the shootout. 😝
Seriously, you made a good point.
I wonder why it wasn't included or maybe even considered. 🤔
Had one, should have kept it but insurance was getting expensive, like any 200hp bike, no complaints about the bike, that engine and transmission were perfect.
Oh it’s the Speed Triple 1200 RS that wins here.
Yes I sgree
Definitely. Hands down
Love it but It couldn’t win if the brand could not fix coolant issue probably 😢😢😢
@@HaydenHuang-10 had a recap about the fan thingy problem. Didn’t had a problem before and after.
@@axelotl86 that’s still a luck. As many cases could not be solved even 4-5 times of recalling in my country (hot weather one)
Nice work lads! while I know the M1000R will be in the final test I would have liked to have seen the Standard S1000R in against these model as a direct competitor as the M1000 technically does have a different powertrain. Even though the MT10 came last for the money would be hard to pass over considering the sound, handling and comfort advantages as ye touched on these are nakeds and not superbikes. Looking forward to the next one
So sad there was no Speed Triple 1200 😫
We love the KTM, we love the KTM….and the winner is the Aprilia! Wtf?????
No triple 1200?
I agree. They definitely slept on the speed triple 1200 rs.
Triumph did not Have a Speed Triple available to us at the time of the test.
@@CWjustindawes That stinks. It is such a great bike.
@@scotth5089 yeah, it is a very nice machine. It's more difficult than people think to get all the bikes together at the same time.
I am on my second super Duke all the torque and horsepower below 9500. Loved the Lamborghini chiseled look with that cool headlight. You know it’s a Super Duke. Many times I am in 3rd gear at a light. Engine always happy
Not to be that guy man. But shii.. just cuz you can doesn't mean you should..
Love my SDR too. Looks like a stealth fighter jet in the garage.
Headlights and riding at night should be part of the test as well as dealer network and support. These are all factors that matter when purchasing a new bike for the street.
You are absolutely spot on..Nobody does that in their tests.
headlights arent as important as its relatively easy and simple to swap lights or adjust them if need be.
@@KellerFkinRyanYour comment has no merit, all three of these bikes have LED housings, tell us how to swap them please.
@kellerflanagan3404 they are very important. Especially on a $20k bike. I bought a tuono based off of TH-cam reviews and the lights are terrible. I swapped them out for$300 led bulbs and they are a little better but its a terrible design and high beam is useless.
@@monkeyCmonkeyDoo are you really trying to say LEDs cant be swapped? lol
The day a 20K bike is considered entry level 🙈😂
Um, literally none of these are meant to be entry level, they are super nakeds.
@@EstrogenGhoul well they need to first compete against each other so they can be compared with the duc and the beemer… btw I really don’t understand why Aprilia don’t introduce an SP version of the Tuono with more HP and carbon + forged wheels 🤷♂️
Why not add zh2 as well?
I own the KTM Superduke r Evo 2023 and Aprilia turno Factory 2022. I can ride the Aprillia faster on Track no surprise really as its a RSV4 however the KTM for me is a better road bike its just more flickable around corners and fun. They both have Issues Aprillia in the heat cuts out when stationary at times if you don't keep an eye on the revs, even after changing the coolant. The KTM has broken down three times for random things, the build quality for me is lacking from KTM sadly they need to pull their socks up, the 2024 KTM could be the one to own.
Bro I bought a Super duke r a month ago I complete today 1200 miles with not issues what was the breakdown issues you have with the bike? How many miles you done . I have see some reports of electric issues on the Evo that’s the reason I went for the R
1000 Miles The first issue was over heating, then a water rad issue leaking followed by the best one as i could not start the bike electrical starting issue. Got rid of it a week ago went to Ducati for a 2023 streetfighter its a dream. The KTM service i received was ok but nothing like BMW or Ducati i cant tell you, over the years I've been with all three manufactures. Reading between the lines on the UK KTM forum if you get a good KTM then your golden however if you get a bad one its the start of a lot of issues coming your way.@@salsadurauk
If you want to ride daily street bike KTM is an answer. Top torque, agile, and lightweight.
Mt 10 are more easy too rude and more comfortable🔥
Great review, but all three of these bikes far exceed my skills envelope. I'm sticking with my MT-09, especially since I've swapped the crappy stock suspension for some good parts, and the OEM handlebar for a clubman bar for a slightly roomier cockpit and sportier riding position.
And as Brad mentioned, the stock Yamaha mirrors have these short stalks, so that he only can see his elbows. I had the exact same problem, and put a set of bar end mirrors on.
Hey I just moved from a loved Mt09 after 3 years and 11k miles of travelling around the U.K. to Superduke r and was the only bike make me feel that was the perfect replacement is amazing machine when you accelerate just push and push like the mt09 but triple the force and triple the speed more modern and great system for safe ridding however I understand your point it was hard for me to decide to change it as is just a great bike that make you feel that you not need anything else
I love the Milwaukee 8 in the background. What a gorgeous engine.
I already knew the tuono would win lmao 🙃 $1.7k major service price tag so have fun
The MT10 is an incredible proposition, but that look, Good God, how many years it has been.?? still can't get around that look...🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
Got the new MT10 SP.. it’s almost perfect for the street.. CP4 engine and the new öhlins suspension is so good .. nothing can beat this package.. ktm and aprillia are very nice .. but good luck with the quality 😜😂
And again, the Aprilia is NOT a naked!ª It's got a full fairing FFS. Just because the bikini fairing is separated from the fairing doesn't make it a naked. This is just ridiculous.
I can see that a bikini on a naked bike doesn't stop it from being a naked bike, but the Aprilia doesn't stop there, it's not only got the bikini, it's got the sides and the bellypan. How does that make it a naked?
KTM Superduke ❤🤩🤩
KTM all the way for street riding. Torque is what it's all about.
I got a 1st gen '18 mt10 (non-sp) with 1kmi for $9800 last summer. Decat and a flash and you've got a LEGIT 150whp for well under $1000. Absolutely the best value in super fun naked. $300 flash makes this a TOTALLY different bike. Wow, cars are expensive but $20k for a "clapped out" Camry? It won't be super low mileage but I could find a nice one for 20k.
Yh I picked up a bmw s1000r gen2 with 6,500 miles on the clock for £8000
(GBP)
Which I felt was a good price for what you get.
Things like Mt09 sp, triumph street triple 765 and base model mt10 also sold for roughly this price and maybe if you where lucky you could find a 2017 Aprilia tuono for that price but rare and same for ktm 1290 maybe a 2014-2016 so out of those bikes and the price I felt the bmw was good value.
And truth be told the s1k was a dream bike.
I can't even use more than half the power on my z900 without worrying about cops or getting my license revoked. These bikes are fuckin insane 😳 maybe I'm just used to riding a "slow " Harley
The Duke is 1301ccm, Tuono is 1078ccm and MT10 is 998ccm just to mention the difference in engine size.
I have Daytona 675R I use in local roads and Track and a super duke evo for road the evo suspension in auto mode is so quick to adjust. Best for all worlds .
Going to take the SD to tack in a couple of weeks mist the power feels like it’s at the bottom so see how it go’s on track . Probably more fun not the first choice for best time .
What about the speed triple?
2023 Yamaha MT10 SP has 165.9 HP and this motorcycle is near perfect with upgraded brake pads. Easily the best for street riding...
Where they get there hp data from 134 hp ?
Rear wheels
They are basing off dyno numbers not brochure
@@kirkdunn1379 Euro spec MT10s (like my 2016) are 160 dyno'd. Americans get a super neutered version lol.
Dyno numbers, not crank
Dealer network and support has to be considered! Two weeks ago I was in the market for these bikes and actually bought the KTM over the Aprilia, the main reason being that the Aprilia dealer network is very sketchy here and the dealer would not even allow a test ride. Sorry Aprilia, KTM gets the win! And the $ ! (and c’mon Yamaha, you basically started this field with the original badass FZ1, get with the program and build a full tilt MT-10R!)
I don't know where you are, however, for me being in Maryland (USA), I have 4 Aprilia dealers within a 4 hour drive from me. I've also had no problems getting parts. Even ones ordered and were out of stock domestically, arrived to me from Italy in under 2 weeks.
1290 SDR for me..😍😍😍
Almost bought tuono v4 factory.
Did go for yamaha mt10sp.
Must be The best do it all bike of The universe ❤
Also owned superduke 1290 -14 and tuono v4-11 and mt 10 -17 and mt-09 -2022 before 😊
Where is part 2?
M1000r with a Brent tune for me. Owned all those bikes over the last 5 years.
Still insane for me to see how low the horse power is on US Spec bikes. In eu spec the ktm makes 180, aprilia 175 and MT10 160.
S1000RR makes around 190 to the wheel EU and less than 190 to the crank in the US.
I saw an S1000RR in the US make 183 hp to the wheel with full exhaust and a tune, which in turn would give a EU spec bike around 200-210 wheel horse power.
Is it down to emissions in the US? I thought the US was "open" to power.
Those are dyno numbers at the rear wheel, not crankshaft numbers that the manufacturer advertises.
@@kmfizthat makes a lot more sense.
I wouldn't pick Aprilia because I had one, it was very hot to ride in summer and it kept on stalling at red lights. Riding on street in less than 70kmh , you can see temperature gauge rising, cooling fan kicks and battery doesn't last for two years. The heat builds up under the seat very hot. I bought the motorcycle with the trust of honest reviews but they never mentioned the negative issues.
Its so funny how no matter what Yamaha riders just cant take a "L"....
There isnt a bad bike, car or truck on the market but in shootouts someone has to win.....Aprilia tuono has been winning this class for quite some time by multiple testers now so its really not a surprise....
If you know yourself well enough you can pick one best suited....
Aprilia has nailed it with that chassis and pkg and std version is less than a Yami.....
I had a SuperDuke R, a current gen MT10, and a previous gen MT10. I now ride a '23 XSR900, and also have a '22 R1. For really going fast, I prefer the R1, for sitting upright in the wind, I prefer the light and slim XSR that I can hold wide open frequently by comparison to a Hyper-N. The Hyper-Ns are great, but are somewhat compromised by their wind exposure, size, weight, and rotating mass. When I used to have one and was riding with any speed, I found myself thinking "I should have just taken the R1 instead".
BTW, Euro 5 really knocked the shine off the MT10. In factory tune the engine feels pretty dead compared to the previous generation. And the wonderful head spinning goose bump inducing wail the bike use to make is completely gone... replaced by modest induction noise. I was disappointed to see how many moto-journalists down-played this and instead went with Yamaha's talking points on the "new exciting sound".
Just sold my 8th new-bought KTM. I am back firmly in the Japanese camp and don't plan on going back to that brand.
My XSR900 might just be the perfect bike!
So what bike you own because you got my so confuse 🤣🤣🤣
good vid but why tf did i get a 3:45min unskippable add before it
I bought the tuono. Due to the ktm asking extra for the auto-blip. And the mt-10 engine being dumb down, but I will say the mt-10 is great if you just want a bike to commute in.
I wanted the Tuono. Here in Canada the Super Duke Evo with extended warranty and the full tech pack was cheaper after taxes than the list price on a Tuono Factory!
Never had so many ads for a TH-cam video
Imagine if they made naked versions of the Yamaha and Aprilia. Hashtag: Make naked bikes naked again.
Clapped out Camry is $20k now days?!? lol
MT10SP has latest Ohlins not 2nd gen, old mt10SP had gen 2
Z-H2 wasn’t invited because nobody would have wanted to ride any of the other bikes 😂😂😂😂
Having owned a '16 MT10 and a '22 Tuono, I'd go for the MT10 every time. The Tuono vibrated, the clutch rattled, the quick shifter and blipper were only good after a Gabro flash. I traded the Tuono on a S1000R and it's a better bike in every way, regarding suspension, electronics, etc. It doesn't have the sound or torque of the Tuono though, which is why I'd take the MT10 over a Tuono. Things get a lot more fuzzy choosing between the S1000R and MT10... For sports riding the ergonomics of the S1000R are better but for longer rides and general quick riding, the MT10 is better... The 22 MT10 SP brakes were worse, which were resolved with EBC HH pads. The forks have been pulled through the yolks 10mm, as the MT wasn't as nimble as the BMW. The fuelling is brilliant and the new Ohlins is a HUGE improvement on the previous MT. Ergonomically, I fitted different bar risers, which lowered the bars 10mm as well as increasing the reach 10mm, which definitely helps for sporty riding.
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From personal experience I wouldn't touch an Aprilia even if was half price, the KTM just looks ugly and having to pay extra for electronics is a major put off, the MT10 is the winner way to get on with, service, the most comfortable and that inline 4 gem of a motor.
Aprilia - over 12 month wait for parts. KTM - unreliable, looks like a kids toy. Yamaha - fugly looks, awful brakes, lovely motor.
Thought it was going to be that way, but every part I've needed for my -21 has been in stock at the local dealer. I've never been more in chock 😂
From personal experience of all three manufacturers, it’s the KTM I wouldn’t have another one of. 🤷🏻♂️
Yamaha riders just cant take it, always screaming when their bike doesn't win.....its pointless, ride what you want
Aprilia tuono has been killing it for quite some time so shouldn't be a surprise.....they have that chassis nailed down, with solid brakes, suspension and V4 motor.....they did a great job
I waited months for an replacement engine for an aprilia and they sent use a damn Vespa engine when I worked at there dealership 😂 I don’t trust aprilia/piaggio because they are not fully there in the head lol
Love the format.. It's like MotoGP Q1.... winner gets a chance to enter Q2 and compete against the really fast guys!!!
Love my evo so far. So much power 0-100
If it was my money, I would just get the GSXS1000 (naked).
MT power would be right there with aftermarket de-clogging of the system. I've seen all the dyno graphs and it's middle 150 horsepower range.
Enjoy the podcast format but was hoping to see a lot more riding.
Are motorbikes in the US neutered? because in Europe,the KTM has 180 hp,not 157,the apprilia has 175hp,not 154 and the yamaha has 166hp,not 134... ?
Those are crank HP numbers, not at the rear wheel as is stated here.
Is the same in the US. The KTM makes a 180HP. They made a mistake on both bikes HP comments.
Sorry DUKE darlings this time ...
I had to choose YAMAHA MT-10 SP ❤
Loving the Screeming Eagle in the corner.
Should have brought in the Indian FTR 1200. Mine eats MT 10s all day and has almost 100 lb/ft of torque. Real American muscle. Great electronics!! C'mon guys...
The Ktm Superduke is not designed as a streetbike. The older Superduke was, the one with the adventure frame, the new one is basically just a naked rc8r with the superduke 1290r engine. U actually can feel the difference in how the two superdukes feel at low speeds(crawling traffic), the new simply feels more cumbersome ie like a sportbike is while the old sd1290r feel still very nimble even at slow speeds and at higher speeds the older feels twitchy and the new more planted.
Basically the new sd1290r is just a naked superbike just like the mt09, tuono v4, mt10, bmw and streetfighter is, just that the superbike version from KTM is discontinued.
But, now I keep on watching the vid :P
I had to google some pictures and the frame design does look similar to the RC8R. I have the gen 1 SD1290R but haven't ridden the new model. Now i'm curious to see how they feel. I wouldn't like to lose the feel of the earlier SD.
Mt 09 naked superbike 😂😂more like a mx bike😎
That Aprilia is no way a naked bike. Why do they keep calling it one??
Where is the zh2
Tuono throttle is numb? Mine isnt lol
just went from riding m ducati v4s for 5 years to a new tuono factory , in my country the tuono factory is 22k , duc sfv4s is 32k and the ktm 1390 is 29k without electronic parts . so are the ktm and duc 8 k better then the tuono , me thinks not . im even certain i will do better laptimes on the tuono
That Aprillia seems to have quit a bit of fairing for a "naked" bike.
Classic complaint fir the mt line. Wooden brake feel
If the mt10 had 160hp like they do in Australia, where would it have placed?
May be because the video is older, but my MT10 has 160 HP, none of that 134 crap.
Great shots of the 3 riding close together 💪🏼
Imagine paying the same for a naked bike as you would for a super bike. Gonna need to slap a chump sticker on it.
Gsx-s 1000 & cb1000r = another great option
All great bikes but for longer rides the low engine vibration of the Yamaha win for me and it also sounds the best😎
So you’re the guy who thinks it sounds best. Nothing beats the Aprilia V4 sound.
@@ColoradoS14 I currently have a 2020 Tuono Factory and had an FZ10 and R1 with cross planes, yes the cross planes sound better but only by a fraction
Speed triple 🫡
Not agreeing with the commentson the down low power of the mt10.
I have to actively keep it from doing a wheelie in 1st and 2nd because of the immediate torque.
Quick question: why NO Kawasaki zh2? Seriously!
Very heavy and not in the league for cornering at all. I've ridden a fair bit with a friend who has a ZH2, very fast rider. He just can't make the bike go quick through Deal's Gap for example, his 1200GT BMW was better at it, and that's a big touring bike with a lot less power.
I know that yamaha engine is good for over 100,000 miles. There is no competition
Tuono v4 1100 factory #1 period.
For me its the tuono all day i love my 2017 rr. Plus i got the bike under 10k used wuth like 3500 miles.
That’s a great bike at an excellent price you got! I am looking at the same year in the black / red styling RR, most beautiful livery and love the previous Tuono look. Congrats, great choice! 👍🏻
The tuono has 175hp not 154hp 👀
I thought the Aprilia had 175 hp... What's the correct spec?
MT10 - needs a complete overhaul, Yamaha shouldn’t be charging that much for an SP
KTM - few more iterations and this will be a serious contender
Aprilia - it’s a track weapon trying to figure out how to be a road bike
I really want a Superduke R EVO but I rode my friends 2017 Superduke GT and I really disliked the low revs wibrations. Like just going 60-70 mph in high gear and the thing just vibrates like crazy. Is the new R EVO the same?
If you really want one why you haven’t done a test ride they are free. Every bike is different and only suitable for a rider of their own style and taste . I moved from a Mt09 that I loved to a super duke R and I am extremelly happy . Great machine
Here's the thing: it's an oversquare short-stroke sporting twin. It needs revs. Keep the tach above 4500 RPM and most of the vibes go away. It won't hurt it and in fact, KTM recommends operation at 5,000 rpm or higher... oil pressure is high there and the engine gives good performance AND fuel use at that RPM. I rarely use 5th gear, much less 6th gear... at 130kph there's a ton of air hitting you on a naked bike, and the KTM is very, very naked. I do see guys fitting screens to them since the engine is very happy running over 200kph if you wanted to.
Great video they are two different level bikes. Price shows that. I'm taking the Yamaha I'm the middle ground.
BEAST
ZH2? Speed Triple?
So why wasn't the triumph speed triple 1200 rs in this bunch?
I guess kawasaki doesn't make a 200 hp supercharged hyper naked for $20000 anymore.
For what you want, I am sure they can build it for $30K but then who will buy it, all the attributes you want, the after market can support. Making the bike and marketing go hand in hand. Great review both of you 🤠🇵🇭🇺🇲
Bikes are way overpriced now. Dealers are sitting on full inventory at the end of the yr. Headed into a recession. Toyz will become a lot cheaper
Guys I hate to be that guy but......... If your picking a tuono over a Rsv4 it means you got balls but it ain't long. Come on what happened to all my giga chads from the 90s with the zx7rr posters and 98 r1 posters up. We have gone soft guys. Come one we can do better. So no to pizza delivery bikes.
From what I've read the Tuono has every potential to be quicker than the Rsv4 on public roads/twisties due to the wider range of compliance. If track was the main priority Rsv4 without question.