This is exactly what I was waiting for, but very disappointed the normal MT10 was used instead of the SP. The Ducati here is the SP, KTM is Evo R, Aprilia is Factory version, but the Mt10 is base. :(
They probably couldn't get one. I ordered my new MT10 in March and expect delivery in early November. I'd imagine people who ordered the SP have an even longer wait.
@@disaffectedmale i was waiting for this review to finalize on the mt10 sp, i think the biggest advantage of it is the reliability and the suspension. I really wanted the Speed Triple RR, but I feel like Triumph rushed the release and put on less than perfect electronics on it. :(
MT-10 Snatchy throttle Rubber hoses Substandard brakes - Yamaha Still Brembo Shy 😭 The engine is a peach I just wish they would do something about the rest of the bike...
Great video. Loved it. Excited to see what the BMW (and others) bring next year. Any chance you guys will do similar for naked/sports bike in the middleweight size (between 600-900cc)?
For me the winner is the s1000r sport (not the M package)- best value vs performance bike(remaped w/ full system cranks 168.9hp on the wheel (Dyno tuned)+/- 180 on the engine). Just stick a gel seat on it and have maybe the 2nd fastest if the aprilia isn't remapped and so a great bike for the road and quick at trackdays. And the 2nd bike worth considering on my list is the Mt10sp remapped already with the braided stainless steel brake lines.
MT10 13k base model against the SP models costing 5k+ more seems a little weird. Maybe picking the upgraded version is more appropriate. ESPECIALLY if you're using the 28k Ducati...😮😁
Left out the revised and redone GSX1000, which is a shame. Has a GREAT quick shifter, legend motor and chassis. Most likely beats them all in price! Oh well. Looks cool too.
Ok one thing I'll have to add for the street riding performance is fuel consumption. You picked the SDR for the win (I also ride a SDR) one of the other things that sold me on the bike is it gets close to 2x mpg/kml then the other bikes no matter how easy you ride the engine. Anyhoo fabulous review, I enjoy all of your videos immensely. Keep up the good work.
@@simplicityrm It's a legitimate feature. When someone makes X horsepower and someone else makes the same X horsepower, but consumes a lot less fuel, then it should be noted. Some folks want a bonkers motorcycle with the practicality of a street naked, upright ergonomics, ease of maintenance-access, lower insurance kind of bike. Getting 42 mpg instead of 32 mpg with the same horsepower... what's not to like?
My only beef is that you always include a Ducati that costs twice as much as everything else in these. tests. You should really use the standard V4 Steertfighter because even though its expensive, it's still in the same ballpark as the other bikes.
yeah also the ducati is not even in the same bike category as the rest. the rest of them are naked bikes while the ducati is more like a superbike that got stripped down. BMW will be joining Ducati in that category next year with the M1000R.
Ducati likes to cheat so they probably insisted on them taking the full spec model where as the Yamaha press team was just like “sure mt10 whatever” sort of like how they’re racing the v2 in super sport here in America against 600s and acting like they did something when they win.
@@rampage3337 o yeah what is a s1000R or the Aprilia Tuono they are striped Superbikes you Expert.Yo deservedly try to find somme excuse.Go home to moms and cry🤣
To give Yamaha credit there is a SP version that comes with upgraded brakes, steel braided lines and the latest gen of Ohlin's electronic suspension. That version might have been a bit more appropriate to go against these much higher priced machines.
Can’t agree enough, they should have considered mt10sp instead since most if these bikes sports higher spec components 😤. The handling and brakes are definitely better on the sp
I can only speak on the MT09 SP, but it still lacks what the KTM provides in the same class. The Yamaha is a great bike, just nothing special for the top shelf version.
is the SP lighter? Also the triumph review completely turned me off.. I cant understand why it is ahead of the BMW. Did anyone else get the same feeling?
Came here to say this. I don’t know how much it would change their opinions on the bike but I have a feeling it would a more favorable opinion. All those bikes were the upgraded version of themselves but then they have a stock MT10.
did you really think if you put the Money in the MT 10 to came on the same Price tag like Ducati did you really belive the MT 10 will be faster??You probablly don't have any fucking Idea about Bikes🤦
To be fair the standard MT10 is probably the best value bike there out of the lot of them. Completely BS test anyway in my opinion. Your taking two other peoples opinion as gospel when it doesnt really matter what they think. 99% of these naked bikes will never see a track and will be ridden the road. I have a MT10 SP and have owned a Superduke R which was ok but the build quality is crap compared to the yamaha . And where is the tuono on the test.
@@Carvetii agreed…I just traded my ‘19 MT-10 for the new ‘22 10 and I tried my best to listen to the talking heads and but the SFV4/Tuono/KTM SDR/BMWS1R/etc…so glad I stuck with my gut and got another MT-10 (I ride 95% street and 5% Track and have the budget for any of these…money was not a factor-factor it in and it’s impossible to end up with anything but the Yamaha)
The 1290 SDR Evo weighs 211kg, not 190kg. 190kg is its dry weight. If you're giving wet / curb weight figures for all the other bikes - as you should - give us the curb weight for the KTM, too, otherwise you're misleading us.
Funny how the goal posts have changed as to what classifies as a “super naked”. I own a new Suzuki GSXS 1000. It is fast as sh%t, and has good enough suspension and brakes to put up some decent track times. It also costs WAY less than all of these competitors. I was actually faster on it around track than my 2016 CBR 1000.
KTM 1290 is the worst super naked bike. I dont understand why would you rate a tractor engine at a score of 10. They compare nothing to the Italian V4s. When I rode the bike at 200 km/h, the front wheel becomes so wobbly. Which I would only rank the handling at 0.
What a brilliant review, one of the best I've viewed in a long time. 👏 Bravo! However, I will agree, you could have tried to procure a '22 mt10sp for the review. It's a cracking bike but still probably would have finished last🙄. Not even close to comparing "apples to apples" so to speak. A Ducati with carbon wheels, etc. that cost twice as much as the mt? Not a fair comparison in the least! I have a new gen '21 mt09 and a '18 mt10. Perfectly happy with my old gen mt10, it's a hoot!
So the ZH2 thats the most comfortable and has the best motor comes in 5th mostly because it scrapes to early, it's not a track bike, salut to Kawasaki because that's what I want in a naked bike if not I would buy a race bike
@@jpbsv I own every bike in the video, though some are different years. Have a " few " others as well. My ZH2 is my favorite all round bike. Just got ECU flashed by Moore Mafia. I think it may do better than the prior Bren tune.
@@rudedog3529 I got th3 SLR tuning box. Also got the intercooler. I have never owned anything this fast, fun and wicked. ....and I've had some very fast bikes.
@@jpbsv Just got a 2022 H2R a couple of weeks ago. The Z H2 is an ongoing project to see how fast I could get a nekkid to go Still trying to break 180 Mph. th-cam.com/video/r0mE4BNA2yw/w-d-xo.html . Also have a 2015 H2 and 2020 H2SX SE.
I completely disagree with the "difficulty" of changing settings too. It's like 2-3 buttons... and let's be real... how hard is it to read 2 pages of a manual?
@@G3soh This is a typical criticism from these testers. They only have bikes for a couple of hours if that and have to get used to them quickly. I have an NT1100 which is widely considered one of the most complicated to operate (switch gear + layout of menus) and in a couple of days i got used to it and its fine now. These are nitpicks and are not real issues with the bikes. Fuel range, vibrations, seating comfort, motorway and cruising manners, low speed manoeuvrability, quality + fit and finish of switchgear are all far more important and are barely covered by these tests. Also comparing a 35k ducati to a 15k yamaha is lunacy. Its like comparing a Rolex with a Swatch on the basis that they are both watches. Euro bias is real.
Given that naked’s are street bikes first and foremost, why in the world did they not talk about rider comfort and ergonomics, instrument functionality….. what they did report on was good.
I've owned 3 of these bikes (KTM, Triumph and currently, the new MT10) and I've ridden everything else. Honestly can't believe you place the Triumph above the MT10 for the road (and possibly even the track). MT10 will ride all day in Power mode 1 (which I seriously don't believe is snatchy) without any lack of immediate low end grunt and along with the Aprilia, has the most characterful engine. Agree with you on the KTM, think it's absolutely the best all around bike, but it's so good, you need to be doing silly speeds for it to make sense. Downside is KTM reliability, hence why I have my second MT10. Triumph suspension is a nightmare and the harshness cannot be dialled out, I know my suspension and tried everything without success. Equally, its electronics are shocking and the quickshifter has a carzy amount of delay biolt in which cannot be adjusted. Aprilia too tiny and uncomfortable for anyone over 5ft 9" but great otherwise. Ducati nearly £30k (come on guys, let's stay in the real world). I tested the V4S model and it's great, but you simply cannot use the power on the road, so what's the point. If you want a Ducati, buy the Streetfighter V2 and use everything it's got. BMW is ergonomically similar to the Aprilia and very tight on leg room, so not comfortable. MT10 suspension is set a fraction hard for the road, but dialling out is easy and a good set up can be achieved for road or track. KTM definitely has the most compliant suspension and regardless of it's engine, the Kawasaki rides like a barge and is more of a cruiser than a sports naked and should be compared against Diavel's and the like. Ultimately, you place the Yamaha last which I believe is doing an injustice to the bike. I've bough my second one (after stacking up all of the options) because it has what is probably the most wonderful engine that's ever been created for a bike. It is all day and even touring comfortable (when fitted with comfort seat), handles just about perfectly on the road (and decent on track), is as fast as anything to 140mph, has typical Japanese reliability and you can buy two of them for the price of the Ducati and have enough spare for a year's worth of track days. My order with my experience would be KTM 1st followed by MT10, then Aprilia, Ducati, BMW, Kawasaki and Triumph last. As said, reliability is the KTM's sticking point (but great when they're working) and I won't personally be buying another. Cheers.
Thanks for this great view. I'm currently looking at a supernaked to join my CBR600RR in the garage. I'm favouring the MT10SP for many of the reasons you state. I want to open the garage and my bike works. I've heard too many horror stories from many of the European brands.
@@King_Harrold Hi. If you are looking for an all day comfortable naked with superbike performance, incredible character and handling to match, I seriously don't think you would regret buying the MT10. As nice as the SP looks, I'm still not convinced that electronic suspension works as well as standard suspension with a good set up. There have also been many reliability issues with electronic suspension, but to be fair, Yamaha seem to have it more sorted than most. I think Ducati have the reliability sorted now, but other European brands including BMW still lag behind the Japanese. Just simple things irritate with some European brands, for example, every single BMW I've owned has used copious amounts of oil. The Japanese bikes never use a drop, so it's one less thing to worry about. Anyway, whatever you choose, enjoy it and ride safe. Cheers.
I wish I could personally pin this comment and say 'Forget watching this video, just read this gentleman's comment' Reliability is 100% something these people should talk about more. They even touched on the 1200RS needing to be looked at by the dealer the day they got it... I mean.. hello??? Massive down score for that one in terms of ownership Christ!
You just wrote the best naked bike shoot out review and I totally agree with you. Wish you could get the funding to put this review into video form. I just bought a used superduke gen 3. Absolutely mint condition and loaded with power parts. Very keen to pick it up and get riding. Could you elaborate please on why you believe the engine in the MT10 to be the greatest engine put into a bike and what its character is like? The LC8 has a bunch of character I’ve found. Do you agree with this statement? Cheers.
Really wanted to enjoy this test but it turned out to be twaddle.. how is the Triumph, good bike tho it is, ahead of the BMW & on par with the Tuono? They marked the Tuono down on looks.. subjective at the best of times but they should have a white stick & dog
Borrowing a friends Super Duke R for a couple weeks was the most fun I've had on a street bike. What a monster. Yes on the 2nd gear launch. My friend advised it, said first gear was for parking lots not launches. Never had the nerve to turn the wheelie control fully off. Confident flying through the hills and easy to poodle around on, the full exhaust system on it made it sound like God's motorcycle. Thunderous. Looks mean, sounds mean, feels like flying since you have to actively look down to see any motorcycle. What a badass bike.
@@mtkoslowski Actually, no. I'm leaning towards MT-10 if I go supernaked. It's also a great bike - if slightly more tame and refined. (Love Japanese reliability.) The KTM is a bit more fun but the Yam will probably be easier to own.
Not a fair fight when you didn't include the MT10SP... :( Everything else in the test was the premium option.. Why not take Yamaha's premium option as well?
30:59 i have the 2024 Street Triple 765 R, and it doesn't have that problem with anti-wheelie. i can pin the throttle in a low gear, and the front tire will just barely skim above the road surface. utterly smooth. making me look like an absolute pro that actually knows what he's doing. i have to imagine if they can get it this right on the 765, they probably have on the 1200 as well... but that's just a guess.
As for the z h2.....drops the abs unit...full titanium (vandemon)...carbon wheels....and few other odds n ends...and that wheight goal is not to far out...and its definitely raw then
Ducati’s £12000 more than the Aprilia think id take the Aprilia spend £10000 on it and keep £2000 for some track days 👍🏻 amazing review though lads 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@monkmoto1887 exactly none of these are cheap but to compare the Ducati at £28000 to the others is a little unfair as like the boy’s here said at that price it should be the quickest and make you feel extra special but hey if you have the money why not i guess 🤷🏼
You know the problem? I wanted a Tuono really bad this year, to upgrade my 2007. Well, it's $10K after taxes more than the fully loaded Super Duke 1290R Evo. $10K! In six years Aprilia added something like $9000 to the price of their bike, which was when I last priced it. So I'm just waiting for the email from the dealer to tell me that the 1290R has gone through PDI and OMVIC so I can pick it up.
KTM all day, best engine and the best hooligan bike of the lot, and isn't that what these nakeds are all about? I've ridden almost every bike on this list, and owned 3 of them... the SDR is the only one left in the garage.
Can't wait for Yamaha to do that (and i hope they fix that gawd aweful front end). I ride a '16 and for them to do what ducati and bmw have done but with a naked r1. Oh boy sign me up !
I have a new MT10 on the way, ordered in March and arriving early November. I'm pretty sure a set of sintered pads, a straight through link pipe and a flash will make it more like the other bikes in this list. I'm expecting about another 15-20 ponies so better stoppers are probably a good idea. That's what's in store for mine once it's in my hot little hands.
I'm super pumped to see the ktm as y'all's top super naked! I want one so bad.. L Twin for LIFE!! .. So the Aprilia Tuono has won the super naked shoot out for what the past straight 10 years lmfao..so why would they change it. Until multiple manufacturers not only catches but passes up the Tuono I doubt Aprilia is going to do any major changes to the Tuono that has won almost every super naked shoot out for the past 10 years. After Ducatis street fighter and the new bmw m1000R I'm sure they are working on something now but probably won't see it till 2024
The title of this video caught my eye and I am pleased to see that the new bike I just bought is on the list - KTM 1290 Super Duke R EVO. It’s a respectable scooter as far as I can tell. Edit: I watched this video to the bitter end and was quite surprised to see that the KTM came out on top. It’s really nice to have one’s own opinions and choices validated. *subbed.
New bikes are only getting uglier so careful what you wish for with the Aprilia, Ducati is the only one that seems to be able to make modern bikes without making them ugly with all hard edges
I have the SP. Can you confirm the weight? Ducati quote 196kg with the heavy exhaust. I have the full Akrapovic system like your test bike so it should be under 193Kg. Also in your magazine review there is a complaint that its all at the top end? This says to me that the engine mode was in medium power setting for the road. I use high/dynamic power mode in all 3 engine modes and the torque is mental. Wheelie at 90+ off the throttle in 3rd. My mate has just got the KTM evo and it's mega. He loves it. It's noticeably less powerful than my SP. I will say my previous Streetfighter V4S was a better road bike as the suspension on the SP is too hard for the road. The fuel range on the Ducati is ridiculous. 16ltr tank that only takes 15.3ltr from running out. The worse thing about the Ducati is the range. But that as far as I'm concerned is acceptable for such a beautiful thing that makes every ride feel special. Great review 👏 I'll be buying next month's mag too.
Have you figured out the weight claims yet? I can’t believe the Ducati as tested was heavier than the ktm, my guess is they got the number wrong and the duke does feel lighter when riding it.
They NAILED IT with their first comments about the Tuono. I own a 2018 Tuono Factory and would be riding a new one right now but I absolutely HATE what they've done with the asthetics of the bike. My 2018 is Sexy As Hell and it is hands down the best motorcycle that I have ever riden. The new models just look frumpy, to say that I'm disappointed would be a massive understatement 🤦♂️
I recently bought a 2019 Gen 2 super duke R and can’t believe how usable and fun it is on the road. I also own 2 x Hayabusa’s and 5 x GSXR’s and find myself going for the KTM key more.
As a KTM owner some of strongest points that sealed my purchase were ergos and all day rideability. I'm 6'1". The taller you are the more the ergos of the KTM align with you. It's a tall bike, with the most leg room and the least forward lean to the bars for a tall person. It seems crazy that you can get a bike like it, and ride it all day long with no problems. Oh..I'm an older (53) guy too. So the no chiropractor is good stuff.
@@bryansuperduke1290r Wow, I've never gone that far in one shot. I'm in Houston TX and I think I would have evaporated and blown away if I tried to go that far:)
I’m 56 and 6ft too it’s my 4th SDR ( 1 1st gen, 1 2nd gen, my first 3rd gen was stolen after one month). Before I had MV’s and Ducati’s . All always naked. I use it all year long to commute, in canyons or on track. This bike makes me smile no matter what 😊
I’ve always adjusted my tire pressure to my riding type, hell I do the same in my car.. I’m pretty sure Dunlop just did something very Italian by inventing and selling a feature that doesn’t actually exist
@@spbub Of course.. who has time to read. Why is a £30k Ducati up against a normal MT and not the SP? Theres loads of content on these bikes individually about their insights so nothing new there - what is this video adding ove that.. simply nothing. Opportunity wasted
@@astrostrotch prospective buyers are also mostly average people. Who the fuck has a budget that swings from 14k all the way to 28k+?? There's also thousands of videos of them not hooning around 🤷♂ May aswell add the Brutale, Ecosse Founders Edition, and any one of Keanu reeves bikes he custom makes since price seems to be a non factor......
The SDr engine is obviously the most fun for the street, but like others said already the extra legroom and a tall 6th gear for extended tank range help make the bike practical. I thought i'd keep my 2016 1290se for life until the evo came out with a full race akra exhaust the newest bike is even better.
I just put on the full Akra eve system on my gen2 with the Akra map, its unbelievable smooth now! I can't see me selling the bike in the near future although I would like the ZH2 as a 2nd bike just because of the supercharger :)
Wondering why you tested the Triumph RS rather than the RR against the likes of the Aprilia Factory. Everything I've heard about the Speed Triples says the RR is the only one to consider.
I own a 2015 1050Speed Triple R. I rode the 765RS and the 1200 speed triple. I rode the 675 street triple when it was a first launched. The new 765 RS is a stunning bike. But I still enjoy the analogue simplicity of my speed Triple 1050 R. With good tyres on it Ross’s corsa 2’s it’s brilliant fun. Yes it’s not as light, agile or quick. But its still a great bike.. You summed it up very well…
Excellent review of those great bikes , sure hope you heal fast from your hip surgery , and I'm glad the KTM won sure love my 16 SDR Gen.1 . With all the goodies , don't think I'll be selling that piece of kit for a long time .
Triumph... well suspension is way too stiff even softened off, which makes it very unstable over bumps on the bends, electronics are stupid, the dash is so dammed slow to react with a laggy delay, slow to get it to a state to actually start the things. The engine is great though. sort the suspension and electronics and speed up the silly dash and it's a winner... I tried it 6 times, over 3 days.
How did you not like the electronics? I find the electronics flawless on the speedy and the track setting is perfect for the track, you can’t even notice the tc hitting in and the track abs setting gives so much power on the brakes.🙌
@@bjrkK I more mean the electrics, the dash as mentioned is so slow and laggy and not quite just turn the key and away you go... must wait , and wait and wait a bit more.
I've owned a Z H2 for a year now and love it. May not be a track weapon but has a fast road bike it's the business. You guys should try one that has (like mine) had a dyno tune to iron out some of the kooky factory fuelling. How does 230 rwhp and 157nm of torque at the back wheel sound? It's breathtaking.
Agreed.... Also own a ZH2. I see these dorks placing all emphasis on track.... They're naked bikes. 95% of these buyers are probably riding a MC 2x a month on sunny Sundays to lunch. Ride a ZH2 and you'll see why its a special bike Not only now, but probably iconic years from now. Intended purpose for these bikes the ZH2 hands down. Buy it now, while you can.
But why is the Tuono called a naked bike? It has a fairing. I thought a naked bike only had the light in the front and nothing else. Tuono looks kind of like a touring bike. Not hating on the bike , just a question :)
I've never liked Fast Bikes (sic) ever since me on my Thunderace and my mate gary on his gold 595 were tearing up the woods on the A22 doing 70 to 80 heading back to Croydon after the Mayday Hastings run. Those nutters from Fast Bikes passed us at 90 on the back wheel ! Me and Gary were balls out and got schooled, hilarious 25 years ago
I disagree on your assessment about the BMW. You said that it’s tech isn’t in the same league as the others, as if to say it’s not as good. Rubbish! The S1000R has the best tech.
. the Kawasaki was never built as a track bike or has anything in its DNA from Kawasaki sports bikes. the rest of them were built for the track or have there superbike siblings DNA in them. i would take the MT10 and Kawasaki for the road all day long. and yes i have had both and still have the Kawasaki. had a superduke R build quility and reliability are shite. my mate rejected his tuono with a heap of electrical problems from new
what a stad negative comment about the MT10, I've been comparing this bike to other super naked on the road and track for a number of years now and in one word it's fantastic
@@speedtriprr537 yeah, absolutely!! More responsive and compliant in sport riding, way way way better suspension feel, better riding position (if you like the dark side), and by far the best neoretro&performer looking bike on the market.
Tried them all. Nothing compares to the Tuono…..NOTHING! Sound, power, looks, torque and handling. Wanted to love the KTM and 1000r but just boring and the KTMs chassis is underwhelming. On my second Tuono and will buy another, simply perfection (if you’re a bit mad and love ridding a bull with a hard on)
Why was the normal MT-10 used not the SP? And you put a top spec Ducati in, and KTM evo....its hardly a fair test. Any chance you could re-do this video with a level playing field...it seems a bit biased.
I'm an mt10 owner and although biased just a small observation. No mention of the value for money or the fact you didn't use the sp . Not really a fair contest . The tyres used aren't focused for the mt10 . Good content just not a fair fight in my opinion
Of course, as this is your Criteria and Test, it is obvious you've decided to ignore Upfront and Costs of ownership. Fine by me, I can easily do the math and along with your Tech and Handling experiences, make a fair assessment, to meet my wants. As always though, my criteria as a "Best Bang for the BUCKS" anything over 14K moves south on my list .... markedly south.
went from 5 years of panigale v4s to 2024 tuono and i dont agree witht he tuono critisism compared to ducatis , ducatis acces to the settings are more complicated and some things dont make sanse at all , at least aprilia has the overseight panel where you can see all the vallues for all the modes in one screen , and when you got everything dialed in , it dont make much difference anyway because you maybe tweak 1 or 2 parameters ocasionaly
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This is exactly what I was waiting for, but very disappointed the normal MT10 was used instead of the SP. The Ducati here is the SP, KTM is Evo R, Aprilia is Factory version, but the Mt10 is base. :(
good call..... they may as well had a Mt07 out there
They probably couldn't get one. I ordered my new MT10 in March and expect delivery in early November. I'd imagine people who ordered the SP have an even longer wait.
@@disaffectedmale i was waiting for this review to finalize on the mt10 sp, i think the biggest advantage of it is the reliability and the suspension. I really wanted the Speed Triple RR, but I feel like Triumph rushed the release and put on less than perfect electronics on it. :(
@@robertrossi9374 mt 07 compared to those beasts?...nahh
MT-10
Snatchy throttle
Rubber hoses
Substandard brakes - Yamaha Still Brembo Shy 😭
The engine is a peach I just wish they would do something about the rest of the bike...
Great video. Loved it.
Excited to see what the BMW (and others) bring next year.
Any chance you guys will do similar for naked/sports bike in the middleweight size (between 600-900cc)?
All the bikes will be limited by the rider so basically buy what makes you smile the most 😊
Yes! Fully agree. It so much depends on the rider and what suits you best
Probably the best comment of this video.
On the money.
For me the winner is the s1000r sport (not the M package)- best value vs performance bike(remaped w/ full system cranks 168.9hp on the wheel (Dyno tuned)+/- 180 on the engine). Just stick a gel seat on it and have maybe the 2nd fastest if the aprilia isn't remapped and so a great bike for the road and quick at trackdays.
And the 2nd bike worth considering on my list is the Mt10sp remapped already with the braided stainless steel brake lines.
MT10 13k base model against the SP models costing 5k+ more seems a little weird. Maybe picking the upgraded version is more appropriate. ESPECIALLY if you're using the 28k Ducati...😮😁
Left out the revised and redone GSX1000, which is a shame. Has a GREAT quick shifter, legend motor and chassis.
Most likely beats them all in price! Oh well. Looks cool too.
Ok one thing I'll have to add for the street riding performance is fuel consumption. You picked the SDR for the win (I also ride a SDR) one of the other things that sold me on the bike is it gets close to 2x mpg/kml then the other bikes no matter how easy you ride the engine. Anyhoo fabulous review, I enjoy all of your videos immensely. Keep up the good work.
Oh for God’s sake if fuel economy is your chief concern, buy a Vespa scooter.
Cheapskate.
@@mtkoslowski lol well if I were a cheapskate do you think I would have bought a superduke in the first place? I guess common sense isn't so common.
@@simplicityrm It's a legitimate feature. When someone makes X horsepower and someone else makes the same X horsepower, but consumes a lot less fuel, then it should be noted.
Some folks want a bonkers motorcycle with the practicality of a street naked, upright ergonomics, ease of maintenance-access, lower insurance kind of bike. Getting 42 mpg instead of 32 mpg with the same horsepower... what's not to like?
Great vid … looking forward to this test with the new BMW M s1000R 210 bhp
Z H2 S.E. with Reasets is 4th for me.
5:04 and 5:08 : Bless you, mate!
I ride the GT and I love it. It's not the fastest but........ this engine : ))))))
Why are you testing street bikes on a track and using the base mt10?
My only beef is that you always include a Ducati that costs twice as much as everything else in these. tests. You should really use the standard V4 Steertfighter because even though its expensive, it's still in the same ballpark as the other bikes.
yeah also the ducati is not even in the same bike category as the rest. the rest of them are naked bikes while the ducati is more like a superbike that got stripped down. BMW will be joining Ducati in that category next year with the M1000R.
@@stevenjackson5541 weird, saw a lot of it here in my place. ducati clearly made a base model and a lot of people buy it 🤔
@@stevenjackson5541 what an odd thing to say. That's not even remotely accurate.
Ducati likes to cheat so they probably insisted on them taking the full spec model where as the Yamaha press team was just like “sure mt10 whatever” sort of like how they’re racing the v2 in super sport here in America against 600s and acting like they did something when they win.
@@rampage3337 o yeah what is a s1000R or the Aprilia Tuono they are striped Superbikes you Expert.Yo deservedly try to find somme excuse.Go home to moms and cry🤣
To give Yamaha credit there is a SP version that comes with upgraded brakes, steel braided lines and the latest gen of Ohlin's electronic suspension. That version might have been a bit more appropriate to go against these much higher priced machines.
Can’t agree enough, they should have considered mt10sp instead since most if these bikes sports higher spec components 😤. The handling and brakes are definitely better on the sp
I can only speak on the MT09 SP, but it still lacks what the KTM provides in the same class. The Yamaha is a great bike, just nothing special for the top shelf version.
is the SP lighter? Also the triumph review completely turned me off.. I cant understand why it is ahead of the BMW. Did anyone else get the same feeling?
@@freebehindbars8654 you’re irrelevant
If I remember correctly from a 44Teeth review there simply weren't any in all of the EU (let alone UK) at the time.
Putting the standard mt10 against an almost 30 grand top specification Ducati v4 is a bit silly! At least have the mt10 SP
Came here to say this. I don’t know how much it would change their opinions on the bike but I have a feeling it would a more favorable opinion. All those bikes were the upgraded version of themselves but then they have a stock MT10.
Agree mate, to be fair I don’t think there are many new SP’s available in the uk at the mo but still is a bit of a unfair comparison
did you really think if you put the Money in the MT 10 to came on the same Price tag like Ducati did you really belive the MT 10 will be faster??You probablly don't have any fucking Idea about Bikes🤦
To be fair the standard MT10 is probably the best value bike there out of the lot of them. Completely BS test anyway in my opinion. Your taking two other peoples opinion as gospel when it doesnt really matter what they think. 99% of these naked bikes will never see a track and will be ridden the road. I have a MT10 SP and have owned a Superduke R which was ok but the build quality is crap compared to the yamaha . And where is the tuono on the test.
@@Carvetii agreed…I just traded my ‘19 MT-10 for the new ‘22 10 and I tried my best to listen to the talking heads and but the SFV4/Tuono/KTM SDR/BMWS1R/etc…so glad I stuck with my gut and got another MT-10 (I ride 95% street and 5% Track and have the budget for any of these…money was not a factor-factor it in and it’s impossible to end up with anything but the Yamaha)
The 1290 SDR Evo weighs 211kg, not 190kg. 190kg is its dry weight. If you're giving wet / curb weight figures for all the other bikes - as you should - give us the curb weight for the KTM, too, otherwise you're misleading us.
Have you ever kissed a girl?
@@E6EES Ask your mom.
All the expensive bikes,most are over $30,000 nz ,I'll stick with my $17,000 nz $$ Suzuki Gsxs 1000 thankyou very much 👍👍🤘🤘🤘
Funny how the goal posts have changed as to what classifies as a “super naked”. I own a new Suzuki GSXS 1000. It is fast as sh%t, and has good enough suspension and brakes to put up some decent track times. It also costs WAY less than all of these competitors. I was actually faster on it around track than my 2016 CBR 1000.
KTM 1290 is the worst super naked bike. I dont understand why would you rate a tractor engine at a score of 10. They compare nothing to the Italian V4s. When I rode the bike at 200 km/h, the front wheel becomes so wobbly. Which I would only rank the handling at 0.
What a brilliant review, one of the best I've viewed in a long time. 👏 Bravo! However, I will agree, you could have tried to procure a '22 mt10sp for the review. It's a cracking bike but still probably would have finished last🙄. Not even close to comparing "apples to apples" so to speak. A Ducati with carbon wheels, etc. that cost twice as much as the mt? Not a fair comparison in the least! I have a new gen '21 mt09 and a '18 mt10. Perfectly happy with my old gen mt10, it's a hoot!
So the ZH2 thats the most comfortable and has the best motor comes in 5th mostly because it scrapes to early, it's not a track bike, salut to Kawasaki because that's what I want in a naked bike if not I would buy a race bike
The peg feelers in the tight corners were still about an inch off the ground in this video..
Mine gets 56 deg. lean angle when the peg feelers touch.
I got a derestricted zh2.
100% reliable, 240hp.
100% comfort as well.
Nothing else comes close.
@@jpbsv I own every bike in the video, though some are different years. Have a " few " others as well. My ZH2 is my favorite all round bike. Just got ECU flashed by Moore Mafia. I think it may do better than the prior Bren tune.
@@rudedog3529 I got th3 SLR tuning box.
Also got the intercooler. I have never owned anything this fast, fun and wicked.
....and I've had some very fast bikes.
@@jpbsv Just got a 2022 H2R a couple of weeks ago. The Z H2 is an ongoing project to see how fast I could get a nekkid to go Still trying to break 180 Mph. th-cam.com/video/r0mE4BNA2yw/w-d-xo.html
. Also have a 2015 H2 and 2020 H2SX SE.
Aprilia was updated in 2021, not sure why you're saying its dated, absolute amazing bike, the new ultra dark looks great.
I completely disagree with the "difficulty" of changing settings too. It's like 2-3 buttons... and let's be real... how hard is it to read 2 pages of a manual?
Most of the bike is unchanged since 2015
@@G3soh This is a typical criticism from these testers. They only have bikes for a couple of hours if that and have to get used to them quickly. I have an NT1100 which is widely considered one of the most complicated to operate (switch gear + layout of menus) and in a couple of days i got used to it and its fine now.
These are nitpicks and are not real issues with the bikes. Fuel range, vibrations, seating comfort, motorway and cruising manners, low speed manoeuvrability, quality + fit and finish of switchgear are all far more important and are barely covered by these tests.
Also comparing a 35k ducati to a 15k yamaha is lunacy. Its like comparing a Rolex with a Swatch on the basis that they are both watches. Euro bias is real.
KTM winner...what a joke! It would spend more time in the dealership broken! Mine did!
Great video guys. Do this test again next year… will be interesting to see how the S1000R does with 210bhp and wings 👍
Yeah, that M R does look awesome 😀
@@mojothejester9889 And BMW will be cheaper than SF V4S
Always look forward to seeing you do these vids 😎🍻
@@lubas88pl how much was the m r bro?
@@jesuscries8276 $35000AUD so roughly $22k USD.
Given that naked’s are street bikes first and foremost, why in the world did they not talk about rider comfort and ergonomics, instrument functionality….. what they did report on was good.
I've owned 3 of these bikes (KTM, Triumph and currently, the new MT10) and I've ridden everything else. Honestly can't believe you place the Triumph above the MT10 for the road (and possibly even the track). MT10 will ride all day in Power mode 1 (which I seriously don't believe is snatchy) without any lack of immediate low end grunt and along with the Aprilia, has the most characterful engine. Agree with you on the KTM, think it's absolutely the best all around bike, but it's so good, you need to be doing silly speeds for it to make sense. Downside is KTM reliability, hence why I have my second MT10. Triumph suspension is a nightmare and the harshness cannot be dialled out, I know my suspension and tried everything without success. Equally, its electronics are shocking and the quickshifter has a carzy amount of delay biolt in which cannot be adjusted. Aprilia too tiny and uncomfortable for anyone over 5ft 9" but great otherwise. Ducati nearly £30k (come on guys, let's stay in the real world). I tested the V4S model and it's great, but you simply cannot use the power on the road, so what's the point. If you want a Ducati, buy the Streetfighter V2 and use everything it's got. BMW is ergonomically similar to the Aprilia and very tight on leg room, so not comfortable. MT10 suspension is set a fraction hard for the road, but dialling out is easy and a good set up can be achieved for road or track. KTM definitely has the most compliant suspension and regardless of it's engine, the Kawasaki rides like a barge and is more of a cruiser than a sports naked and should be compared against Diavel's and the like. Ultimately, you place the Yamaha last which I believe is doing an injustice to the bike. I've bough my second one (after stacking up all of the options) because it has what is probably the most wonderful engine that's ever been created for a bike. It is all day and even touring comfortable (when fitted with comfort seat), handles just about perfectly on the road (and decent on track), is as fast as anything to 140mph, has typical Japanese reliability and you can buy two of them for the price of the Ducati and have enough spare for a year's worth of track days. My order with my experience would be KTM 1st followed by MT10, then Aprilia, Ducati, BMW, Kawasaki and Triumph last. As said, reliability is the KTM's sticking point (but great when they're working) and I won't personally be buying another. Cheers.
Thanks for this great view. I'm currently looking at a supernaked to join my CBR600RR in the garage.
I'm favouring the MT10SP for many of the reasons you state. I want to open the garage and my bike works. I've heard too many horror stories from many of the European brands.
@@King_Harrold Hi. If you are looking for an all day comfortable naked with superbike performance, incredible character and handling to match, I seriously don't think you would regret buying the MT10. As nice as the SP looks, I'm still not convinced that electronic suspension works as well as standard suspension with a good set up. There have also been many reliability issues with electronic suspension, but to be fair, Yamaha seem to have it more sorted than most. I think Ducati have the reliability sorted now, but other European brands including BMW still lag behind the Japanese. Just simple things irritate with some European brands, for example, every single BMW I've owned has used copious amounts of oil. The Japanese bikes never use a drop, so it's one less thing to worry about. Anyway, whatever you choose, enjoy it and ride safe. Cheers.
Thanks for sharing! Great insight
I wish I could personally pin this comment and say 'Forget watching this video, just read this gentleman's comment'
Reliability is 100% something these people should talk about more. They even touched on the 1200RS needing to be looked at by the dealer the day they got it... I mean.. hello??? Massive down score for that one in terms of ownership Christ!
You just wrote the best naked bike shoot out review and I totally agree with you.
Wish you could get the funding to put this review into video form.
I just bought a used superduke gen 3. Absolutely mint condition and loaded with power parts. Very keen to pick it up and get riding.
Could you elaborate please on why you believe the engine in the MT10 to be the greatest engine put into a bike and what its character is like?
The LC8 has a bunch of character I’ve found. Do you agree with this statement?
Cheers.
Where's GSX-S1000?
Even though it might end up last, would've been nice to have it included.
I can't say that tuono is a naked bike, i mean that thing has a full fairing
You don’t have many subscribers yet, but if you keep pumping this quality content, you will get them.
Thank you for your effort!❤
Really wanted to enjoy this test but it turned out to be twaddle.. how is the Triumph, good bike tho it is, ahead of the BMW & on par with the Tuono? They marked the Tuono down on looks.. subjective at the best of times but they should have a white stick & dog
All these bikes have way more capabilities than needed on the street so might as well get the one that looks best. Which for me is the Triumph RS.
The mt 10 just has bad looks. I would have one if it styled different. Those bluegreen wheels. Yuck.
Borrowing a friends Super Duke R for a couple weeks was the most fun I've had on a street bike. What a monster. Yes on the 2nd gear launch. My friend advised it, said first gear was for parking lots not launches. Never had the nerve to turn the wheelie control fully off. Confident flying through the hills and easy to poodle around on, the full exhaust system on it made it sound like God's motorcycle. Thunderous. Looks mean, sounds mean, feels like flying since you have to actively look down to see any motorcycle. What a badass bike.
Simply the best imho
So, you gonna buy one?
@@mtkoslowski Actually, no. I'm leaning towards MT-10 if I go supernaked. It's also a great bike - if slightly more tame and refined. (Love Japanese reliability.) The KTM is a bit more fun but the Yam will probably be easier to own.
Not a fair fight when you didn't include the MT10SP... :( Everything else in the test was the premium option.. Why not take Yamaha's premium option as well?
I am just wondering why the new Suzuki GSX-S1000 is not in the Test.
Are you guys out of your mind? Running Ducati SP over a standard MT?
I’m so used to the Tuono winning all of these… It’s weird how time marches on…. I still love my Tuono
It's still the best, they just have to make it interesting and say something else because everyone else called it the best for so long haha
Tuono still the best.
Tuono is still the best for track. KTM SDR 1290 is best on the road! 😁
The Tuono is a piece of Junk, that comes with terrible factory support. Ticking Time Bombs
MT-10 SP?
30:59 i have the 2024 Street Triple 765 R, and it doesn't have that problem with anti-wheelie. i can pin the throttle in a low gear, and the front tire will just barely skim above the road surface. utterly smooth. making me look like an absolute pro that actually knows what he's doing. i have to imagine if they can get it this right on the 765, they probably have on the 1200 as well... but that's just a guess.
The Aprilia has fairings and a wind screen - definitively NOT a naked bike. It's a sport bike with handlebars.
As for the z h2.....drops the abs unit...full titanium (vandemon)...carbon wheels....and few other odds n ends...and that wheight goal is not to far out...and its definitely raw then
Ducati’s £12000 more than the Aprilia think id take the Aprilia spend £10000 on it and keep £2000 for some track days 👍🏻 amazing review though lads 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Considering the price for a quality exhaust and tune these days it just might come to that
On point
@@monkmoto1887 exactly none of these are cheap but to compare the Ducati at £28000 to the others is a little unfair as like the boy’s here said at that price it should be the quickest and make you feel extra special but hey if you have the money why not i guess 🤷🏼
You know the problem? I wanted a Tuono really bad this year, to upgrade my 2007. Well, it's $10K after taxes more than the fully loaded Super Duke 1290R Evo. $10K! In six years Aprilia added something like $9000 to the price of their bike, which was when I last priced it. So I'm just waiting for the email from the dealer to tell me that the 1290R has gone through PDI and OMVIC so I can pick it up.
I would love to see how the MV Agusta Brutale 1000RR would compare in this round-up... next year maybe?
Nooo friggin way..that thing is only designed with lavish Living rooms in mind.
It would be last.
@@4tech69 I doubt that... have you ever ridden it?
The M1000R is about to shake this segment up!
i wouldnt sell my sdr 20 for it tho.. might buy it so i can have both. 🔥🔥
KTM all day, best engine and the best hooligan bike of the lot, and isn't that what these nakeds are all about? I've ridden almost every bike on this list, and owned 3 of them... the SDR is the only one left in the garage.
Yamaha need to bring out an mt10 sp + and leave the r1 engine with all the titanium in it. 200bhp. That would walk this test
Can't wait for Yamaha to do that (and i hope they fix that gawd aweful front end). I ride a '16 and for them to do what ducati and bmw have done but with a naked r1. Oh boy sign me up !
I have a new MT10 on the way, ordered in March and arriving early November. I'm pretty sure a set of sintered pads, a straight through link pipe and a flash will make it more like the other bikes in this list. I'm expecting about another 15-20 ponies so better stoppers are probably a good idea. That's what's in store for mine once it's in my hot little hands.
I have the '17 FZ-10, pads made a massive difference.
2 Steel braided lines straight from master cilinder pump will change front brake feel.
And a bigger (2 teeth) rear sprocket 👍
@@8tavian999 really? huh, never heard that.
@@brankog7 No.
Great roundup lads. Would be good to see a similar test for the middleweight nakeds too
Great review chaps, I looked at the KTM last year but went with the H2 for the reasons you stated, plus will never take it to a track so works for me
It's great to see the KTM winning this test.
I'm super pumped to see the ktm as y'all's top super naked! I want one so bad.. L Twin for LIFE!! .. So the Aprilia Tuono has won the super naked shoot out for what the past straight 10 years lmfao..so why would they change it. Until multiple manufacturers not only catches but passes up the Tuono I doubt Aprilia is going to do any major changes to the Tuono that has won almost every super naked shoot out for the past 10 years. After Ducatis street fighter and the new bmw m1000R I'm sure they are working on something now but probably won't see it till 2024
I went straight to the comments to see all the cranky Yamaha MT fan boi's 🤭🤣
The title of this video caught my eye and I am pleased to see that the new bike I just bought is on the list - KTM 1290 Super Duke R EVO.
It’s a respectable scooter as far as I can tell.
Edit: I watched this video to the bitter end and was quite surprised to see that the KTM came out on top. It’s really nice to have one’s own opinions and choices validated.
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Love it, I just bought an 18 plate SDR having lived with my BMW S1000r for a year and a half. wheelie control off this weekend
John is a pretty big guy. Just wondering if he felt one of these stood out as the best bike for a tall fella? And whether any of them didn’t suit?
Waise to naked segment me ek se ek Bikes hai but meri All time Favourite Z900 hi hai or hmesha rhegi 🫡🔥🔥🔥
I'd have a KTM if it came in other colours and wasn't so ugly.
New bikes are only getting uglier so careful what you wish for with the Aprilia, Ducati is the only one that seems to be able to make modern bikes without making them ugly with all hard edges
Great comment and it's got to be very high on the list of what bike to buy
What the hell is going on with those hideous exhausts? The only good looking one is the Ducati
I have the SP. Can you confirm the weight? Ducati quote 196kg with the heavy exhaust. I have the full Akrapovic system like your test bike so it should be under 193Kg. Also in your magazine review there is a complaint that its all at the top end? This says to me that the engine mode was in medium power setting for the road. I use high/dynamic power mode in all 3 engine modes and the torque is mental. Wheelie at 90+ off the throttle in 3rd. My mate has just got the KTM evo and it's mega. He loves it. It's noticeably less powerful than my SP. I will say my previous Streetfighter V4S was a better road bike as the suspension on the SP is too hard for the road. The fuel range on the Ducati is ridiculous. 16ltr tank that only takes 15.3ltr from running out. The worse thing about the Ducati is the range. But that as far as I'm concerned is acceptable for such a beautiful thing that makes every ride feel special.
Great review 👏
I'll be buying next month's mag too.
Have you figured out the weight claims yet? I can’t believe the Ducati as tested was heavier than the ktm, my guess is they got the number wrong and the duke does feel lighter when riding it.
I love my mt 09, highly recommend to anyone who is a reckless idiot like me
They NAILED IT with their first comments about the Tuono. I own a 2018 Tuono Factory and would be riding a new one right now but I absolutely HATE what they've done with the asthetics of the bike. My 2018 is Sexy As Hell and it is hands down the best motorcycle that I have ever riden. The new models just look frumpy, to say that I'm disappointed would be a massive understatement 🤦♂️
I recently bought a 2019 Gen 2 super duke R and can’t believe how usable and fun it is on the road. I also own 2 x Hayabusa’s and 5 x GSXR’s and find myself going for the KTM key more.
Good job KTM! I can attest, it’s a great, fun, jack of all trades bike. Brrrrrrapp
As a KTM owner some of strongest points that sealed my purchase were ergos and all day rideability. I'm 6'1". The taller you are the more the ergos of the KTM align with you. It's a tall bike, with the most leg room and the least forward lean to the bars for a tall person. It seems crazy that you can get a bike like it, and ride it all day long with no problems. Oh..I'm an older (53) guy too. So the no chiropractor is good stuff.
I’m 57 and 6ft, did a 1,600 mile Scotland trip on mine in comfort.
@@bryansuperduke1290r Wow, I've never gone that far in one shot. I'm in Houston TX and I think I would have evaporated and blown away if I tried to go that far:)
@@enntense Was over 6 days.
@@bryansuperduke1290r Ah! Still a hell of a ride.
I’m 56 and 6ft too it’s my 4th SDR ( 1 1st gen, 1 2nd gen, my first 3rd gen was stolen after one month). Before I had MV’s and Ducati’s . All always naked.
I use it all year long to commute, in canyons or on track.
This bike makes me smile no matter what 😊
I’ve always adjusted my tire pressure to my riding type, hell I do the same in my car.. I’m pretty sure Dunlop just did something very Italian by inventing and selling a feature that doesn’t actually exist
Should've been the mt10 SP, you guys had some non-base competitors in here
Too much talking and boring waffle..
Not enough bike footage..
Could have made this video so much better..
I bet you're the type of person that buys a magazine and only looks at the pictures? It's a review giving great detailed insight.
@@spbub Of course.. who has time to read. Why is a £30k Ducati up against a normal MT and not the SP? Theres loads of content on these bikes individually about their insights so nothing new there - what is this video adding ove that.. simply nothing. Opportunity wasted
@@hypermotardking Well I guess as the saying goes, you can please some of the people some of the time and most of the people....... etc etc
There are thousands of videos of riders hooning around, watch those. Critical analysis is for the serious prospective purchasers.
@@astrostrotch prospective buyers are also mostly average people. Who the fuck has a budget that swings from 14k all the way to 28k+?? There's also thousands of videos of them not hooning around 🤷♂ May aswell add the Brutale, Ecosse Founders Edition, and any one of Keanu reeves bikes he custom makes since price seems to be a non factor......
The ducati streetfighter v4 is on the level of beating some superbikes
The SDr engine is obviously the most fun for the street, but like others said already the extra legroom and a tall 6th gear for extended tank range help make the bike practical. I thought i'd keep my 2016 1290se for life until the evo came out with a full race akra exhaust the newest bike is even better.
I have a gen2 SDR 2019, white tank with black bits and orange frame. If they bring this color back to the gen3 I'm the first to buy it!
Blah blah blah
The Tuono is obviously the one!
I have no idea how KTM managed to make a 1.3 Ltr stonking V twin as smooth as af...that alone is a commendable job..🥳🥳🥳
I just put on the full Akra eve system on my gen2 with the Akra map, its unbelievable smooth now! I can't see me selling the bike in the near future although I would like the ZH2 as a 2nd bike just because of the supercharger :)
KTM has been making and refining the LC8 for around 20 years. There's a lot of history there.
I love my 2022 MT10. Its a great bike,lots of fun on the street. And for 14 grand ,it doesn't hurt as much when I make that monthly payment..
Thanks for the video. It would be nice to have the GSXS 1000 too.
Not a supernaked, its down on power to much.
It’s a strange world we find ourselves in where 150hp is “down on power too much” but here we are
@@Kassas768 exactly, didn’t know that to be naked needs to “naked” + “150hp”. If not what is it then 😅? Well scooters 😂.
@@jesusamaroreyes4269 and what difference on the road would that make
@@johnkelly1246 ask that to the first comment.
Just love the KTM super duke ❤
Wondering why you tested the Triumph RS rather than the RR against the likes of the Aprilia Factory. Everything I've heard about the Speed Triples says the RR is the only one to consider.
The RR is a brilliant bike. I've never had more fun with a bike, including my V4 Factory. I will probably keep the RR forever.
@@falcodog2917
It's my next bike, when I can budget it in.
Ktm wet weight is 211kg, 190 is the dry weight.
I own a 2015 1050Speed Triple R.
I rode the 765RS and the 1200 speed triple.
I rode the 675 street triple when it was a first launched. The new 765 RS is a stunning bike. But I still enjoy the analogue simplicity of my speed Triple 1050 R. With good tyres on it Ross’s corsa 2’s it’s brilliant fun. Yes it’s not as light, agile or quick. But its still a great bike..
You summed it up very well…
Excellent review of those great bikes , sure hope you heal fast from your hip surgery , and I'm glad the KTM won sure love my 16 SDR Gen.1 . With all the goodies , don't think I'll be selling that piece of kit for a long time .
Triumph... well suspension is way too stiff even softened off, which makes it very unstable over bumps on the bends, electronics are stupid, the dash is so dammed slow to react with a laggy delay, slow to get it to a state to actually start the things. The engine is great though. sort the suspension and electronics and speed up the silly dash and it's a winner... I tried it 6 times, over 3 days.
How did you not like the electronics? I find the electronics flawless on the speedy and the track setting is perfect for the track, you can’t even notice the tc hitting in and the track abs setting gives so much power on the brakes.🙌
@@bjrkK I more mean the electrics, the dash as mentioned is so slow and laggy and not quite just turn the key and away you go... must wait , and wait and wait a bit more.
Ktm unreliability issues
Thanks for the effort guys great video, but I did sometimes wish you would just stop talking for a while so that we could hear the bikes!!!!
What a brilliant hour of bikeage. Well done chaps
I've owned a Z H2 for a year now and love it. May not be a track weapon but has a fast road bike it's the business.
You guys should try one that has (like mine) had a dyno tune to iron out some of the kooky factory fuelling. How does 230 rwhp and 157nm of torque at the back wheel sound?
It's breathtaking.
Agreed.... Also own a ZH2. I see these dorks placing all emphasis on track.... They're naked bikes. 95% of these buyers are probably riding a MC 2x a month on sunny Sundays to lunch.
Ride a ZH2 and you'll see why its a special bike Not only now, but probably iconic years from now. Intended purpose for these bikes the ZH2 hands down. Buy it now, while you can.
But why is the Tuono called a naked bike? It has a fairing. I thought a naked bike only had the light in the front and nothing else. Tuono looks kind of like a touring bike. Not hating on the bike , just a question :)
honda and suzuki 0 points
I've never liked Fast Bikes (sic) ever since me on my Thunderace and my mate gary on his gold 595 were tearing up the woods on the A22 doing 70 to 80 heading back to Croydon after the Mayday Hastings run. Those nutters from Fast Bikes passed us at 90 on the back wheel ! Me and Gary were balls out and got schooled, hilarious 25 years ago
I disagree on your assessment about the BMW. You said that it’s tech isn’t in the same league as the others, as if to say it’s not as good. Rubbish! The S1000R has the best tech.
It simply does not.
. the Kawasaki was never built as a track bike or has anything in its DNA from Kawasaki sports bikes. the rest of them were built for the track or have there superbike siblings DNA in them. i would take the MT10 and Kawasaki for the road all day long. and yes i have had both and still have the Kawasaki. had a superduke R build quility and reliability are shite. my mate rejected his tuono with a heap of electrical problems from new
Makes me glad that I’ve got the 2017 mt10 and not the new one.
what a stad negative comment about the MT10, I've been comparing this bike to other super naked on the road and track for a number of years now and in one word it's fantastic
I have the speed triple 1200 RR, not the RS and it is incredible
Me too!! And I owned the rs previously!!
@@victorgimenogranda8019 like the RR better?
@@speedtriprr537 yeah, absolutely!! More responsive and compliant in sport riding, way way way better suspension feel, better riding position (if you like the dark side), and by far the best neoretro&performer looking bike on the market.
Tried them all. Nothing compares to the Tuono…..NOTHING! Sound, power, looks, torque and handling. Wanted to love the KTM and 1000r but just boring and the KTMs chassis is underwhelming. On my second Tuono and will buy another, simply perfection (if you’re a bit mad and love ridding a bull with a hard on)
Why was the normal MT-10 used not the SP? And you put a top spec Ducati in, and KTM evo....its hardly a fair test. Any chance you could re-do this video with a level playing field...it seems a bit biased.
I'm an mt10 owner and although biased just a small observation. No mention of the value for money or the fact you didn't use the sp . Not really a fair contest . The tyres used aren't focused for the mt10
. Good content just not a fair fight in my opinion
No suzuki? Wtf
Of course, as this is your Criteria and Test, it is obvious you've decided to ignore Upfront and Costs of ownership. Fine by me, I can easily do the math and along with your Tech and Handling experiences, make a fair assessment, to meet my wants. As always though, my criteria as a "Best Bang for the BUCKS" anything over 14K moves south on my list .... markedly south.
Ya'll really couldn't be bothered to place segments/chapters so the viewer can skip to a certain portion? Shambolic performance
Would be cool to see the MV agusta on here !
The factory tunes are crap on some of these, it's a shame they come that way. Tune the mt10 and it would easily be top 4 especially considering price.
went from 5 years of panigale v4s to 2024 tuono and i dont agree witht he tuono critisism compared to ducatis , ducatis acces to the settings are more complicated and some things dont make sanse at all , at least aprilia has the overseight panel where you can see all the vallues for all the modes in one screen , and when you got everything dialed in , it dont make much difference anyway because you maybe tweak 1 or 2 parameters ocasionaly