To add to this, you might as well be testing a tuono x with headlights against these two to make it a fair fight. I'm biased as I own 2 aprilias but the bmw is a soulless computer and the ducati is unattainable to most. Weird comparisons. The aprilia belongs with the mt10 and triumph speed
For the price of the SFV4SP you can buy a Tuono V4 Factory, carbon wheels, 520 chain/sprockets, Cordona quickshifter, best Ohlin money can buy, best Brembo money can buy, full exhaust, flash/tune and still have couple of grand left.
Haha, couple grand left for fuel... I get about 140kms for every 16L of mostly city riding... It's pretty awful but it's so much fun that I don't mind.
@@JoeShep71 Yeah I've got 2 Tuono's, '14 APRC for Track Days & '21 RR for Touring & Drag Racing. We have 5 Tuono's in the Family, plenty of vids on my channel.
You guys lost the piece of paper with the lap times scribbled on? SIck of hearing these reviews with no concrete numbers. Are you not ALLOWED to reveal which of these bikes is quickest on track? Is that against what certain manufacturers allow? How about giving us some numbers: braking distances, 1/4 mile times, 1/2 mile times. Ive seen plenty of reviews where the Tuono is the fastest on track despite being heavier and down on power.
I've got a non-Factory Tuono V4 and even without the additional goodies, it is a roaring good time. 175hp in a 460hp for $16k with a pretty solid electronics suite is worth it in my mind. Gas mileage is ass, I won't deny, so commuting isn't the greatest, but the overall experience makes up for it
Problem is the bikes are so heavily castrated out of the box due to euro and USA laws. The m1000r in particular has a massive dip in mid range especially in 2nd gear. A remap from brentune gains 40-50hp in midrange which stops a lot of the issues you are seeing on track. Appreciate you have to review them ‘out of the box’. But a small amount of time and a little money transforms the bike. Makes it run richer, therefore cooler and the gains are immense all round (also kills the horrible high cold idle which is there to simply heat the cat as fast as possible).
@@Jrstrdr you could argue a lot of people will never mod their bikes but I would say people buying hyper naked bikes and flagship sports bikes will not leave them Stock most of the time. This is the market people will spend extra money with a full system and/or stage 1 remap. It kinda makes basic ‘out of crate’ reviews like this almost redundant.
@@juliuscarlopoblete2092 SFV4 can be tuned too. The OFT tune for the Streetfighter is a gigantic leap in power and smoothness. Imagine that for a second.
I have a 2023 Tuono 1100 Factory. Only mod thus far is a tail tidy. I will upgrade the wheels to forged or Carbon at some point to help the flickablility, but I am very happy with the bike. 2,600 miles in 2 1/2 months of ownership including some twisty mountain roads and will be on a track next November. Lots of options out there but I am happy with my choice given the mix of street and occasionaly track days i will be doing on this. The sound is awesome and the midrange torque is awesome.
Same bike same year here. Do you also have huge fuel consumption ? I mean i am always arround 12/13L per 100km ... My friend riding with me with his 1290 Sdr is arround 6/7L while he is faster than me 😂😢
@@siegfriedz8211 Yeah, my brother rides a Speedy 1050 RS and I use 25% more fuel. I don't care cause we swap bikes and go half's on fuel when we go away riding the snowy's for a week at a time.
Well it makes perfect sense that a bike that cost almost double the Aprillia would beat it! It’s rather sad you left out the prices of the top two bikes because the majority of people can not afford them!
Should’ve included the Super Duke since it’s the only dedicated naked bike in the class and is very track capable. It may come last but it’s an honorable mention and it’s in the same price bracket as the Aprilia so at least it would be semi affordable vs not so affordable
Had a '22 Tuono, don't rate it highly at all. The clutch rattled, it got hot, I got engine lights every second ride, the ergonomics were compromised, it vibrated when cruising to/from fun rides... It took a Gabro tune for it to feel a bit better but never good. Traded it on a BMW S1000R. The BMW was miles better in every way, except sound. Standard the electronics were more refined, it handled better, with a shorty pipe it screamed in Dynamic Pro and burbled on the overrun... It was fast but not playful. Traded it on a '22 MT10SP. Now the Yamaha may not have the most power, or the handling of the BMW but it's a brilliant blend between the Tuono and BMW characters. Plus, it's a hooligan in character... The Ducati... I wouldn't buy one purely because it doesn't have cruise control! I've had mountain bike crashes which have wrecked ligaments in my right wrist. I can't ride any bike for extended periods without CC. Until Ducati decide to fit CC to any of their sportier bikes, Streetfighter V2, V4, Monster SP, it doesn't matter, I won't buy one.
All 3 of these bikes need an ECU flash and tune with filter and aribox mods and aftermarket exhaust. The flat spots and other quibbles mostly disappear.
It's always amazing listening to Riders at this level. You guys notice so much more and ride so much closer to a bike's capacity that lesser humans (Me) don't notice. Thanks for a great review.
@@tomtraynor5384 It would help however if you turn off a hot stove it still generates heat and I’m not sure if you’d notice any heat reduction. As it’s mainly to improve fuel economy. Haven’t ridden one yet however all my previous and current Ducati’s make too much heat to be properly enjoyed on a hot day.
I doubt the heat from the engine on the SFV4SP2 has ever been brought up but I know if you’re lugging around in low speeds, splitting traffic in LA and eventually stop at a light the heat from the engine after the fan kicks on is brutal. It’s why I never got it and chose the M1000R. It’s tuned to remove the flat spot and the really loud cold start so I love it.
I only ride my supernakeds on the road, and after testing them all i chose the s1000r sport at the best all rounder. After a remap and full exhaust, it's a great bike. I couldn't get the v4 sound out of my head though, so also ended up buying a Tuono v4 factory with race pipe. Both great bikes with different strengths and weaknesses. The bmw could do with an ohlins steering damper. The Aprilia needs an rcs17 corsa corta master to sort the soft brake feel. I've also downgeared both bikes (+2r on the tuono, and -1f on the bmw) to make the most of their engines. The M wasn't announced when i bought them, but not sure you can use more than 175hp on the road anyway. The Ducati was very nice, but i felt the speeds had to be higher to feel the bike, and the engine didn't sound as nice as the Aprilia.
I’ve always thought the Tuono is the best value over all… this is coming from a Panigale V4s and Diavel owner!! I thought the SF didn’t have enough wind protection for the engine power!! Already owning a naked power cruiser I went for a full Super Bike!! I do prefer the Tuono to the RSV4!! As for the Bmw I just don’t like inline4 engines the bmw feels like a premium Zx10 or Gsxr 1k!!
Don‘t need to test the SP2 against the other bikes, just the „normal“ V4S will lead to the same result at a much more competative price. A lot of the SP2s extras are „nice to have“ - but do not create in my opinion a big performance advantage to the V4S.
Hate to disagree....but carbon wheels and an entirely difference suspension (the suspension on the SP is TOTALLY different than the V4S) is a LOT of difference and not just "nice to have"....they are major upgrades...
@@CWjustindawesthat's better I understand but still not uncorked. Wish I was out west to loan you guys my bike. The difference around 6k is amazing. Prior to tune I could go wot in 2nd around 4k rpms and no lift whatsoever until 10k ( I'm a big boy😂) now just above 6k it starts to climb and pulls so much harder from there. Totally solves the gear selection issue. If you guys get to East TN to road test some stuff. It's available for some seat time. Then again I can see where an aftermarket tune isn't an apples to apples comparison.
This dude is wearing my favorite suit, revit apex 1-piece white/res Unfortunately it wasn't available in my size anymore so I had to go with the red/black option. Still a shame they don't produce these anymore
So I got a question regarding the Aprilia. The TSV4 Factory has been my dream bike. I'm about tonturn 38 and it's time for me to upgrade from my 2014 ZX-6R ABS, which I absolutely love, but I want something with less aggressive riding position. Would swapping out the bars help the riding position any? Is it the bars, seat, pegs, tank or a combination of the? ThebAprilia has everything I want in a bike; Cruise Control, premium suspension, that perfect V4 sound, power, great looks, etc.. I think it even has Bluetooth for phone connectivity I think. The only concern I have is the riding position. I'm 5'9 & 180lbs.
I had to buy a module to get Bluetooth connectivity. I have the non factory version with higher bar risers as standard but I swapped them for the factory ones to get the factory riding position which I prefer. I’m super tall though at 5’7” 😊
Was gonna get the ducati but went with tuono instead. I like that its almost not a naked you have a front end to look over. Parts are a lot cheaper and bike sounds way better. Insurance is half the cost and riding position is better in my opintion. Tuono wheelies all day lol. Also the ducati pushed your wrists into the bars more making it less comfortable.
I owned a Streetfighter and a weakness on the street is the noise. Some big birds were irritated by that… sounds funny, but it’s not when one of them starts to attack you…
Rode the streetfighter on track and the stability of the chassis while leaned over and the brakes...god lord the breaks are awesome! Wish I had more time on it but it was just for one session. I also rode the Aprilia on the street for around 6 hrs and honestly my MT09SP feels more fun, didn't really enjoy how slow the turn in felt, the power is nice although again unless going triple digits didn't feel much crazier then the MT09SP. The seat and riding position was more comfortable for me compared to the Yamaha which was not what I was expecting! Going to test ride a Super Duke at the end of the month....so excited! These hyper nakeds are a dream come true.
@@volodymyrshoniia2424 44-Teeth recently picks Supeduke over all naked for street grins. Super-accesible and fun street power. Ride them all and pick YOUR bike.
@@tomtraynor5384 that and other tests are exactly the reason why I had high hopes for sdr before riding one, I thought it would be the most fun since it's a ground up naked and not a superbike turned naked, still my 690 SMC r is more bueno, some say 890 r is more bueno than sdr. The whole experience was dominated by that tractor torque engine that sounded awful and was pointless to rev out, all it had was big TORQUE and nice low speed balance/handling, the chassis was just struggling to contain that engine. The chassis, suspension (it was an Evo version, maybe fiddling with modes and settings would help, had plush ride quality but zero feel/feedback), brakes, engine, electronics, switchgear, or really anything on that bike isn't even in the same class as the tuono or the streetfighter. It is a very crude instrument, good if you want torque and wheelies, I suppose, somebody likes that, for my taste there was too much instant torque available, nothing to do with it, and no point in revving it out, not really any point outside of brap power wheelies which I'm not into. Anyway I decided to be a comfortable old man and switched to v4 pikes peak from the tuono after seriously considering and trying sfv4s (which I still would pick as a fun bike, or maybe even go down to V2 because v4 is way too fast for the road) and a bunch of other stuff. Sadly my superduke impressions were the same as everyone I personally know who has tried it. Most say 890 is actually great unlike the 1290, still haven't tried that, 790 was a crapshoot.
@@volodymyrshoniia2424 I am also on a PP-from a Superduke GT. I hear ya-but engines are more alike then different. Ducati V4 even sounds more like a twin (Tuono-owned one-sound still bests all). Both tap out around 10,500 RPMs and rarely need to bother with anything over 8000 rpm’s in normal street riding (No-I RIDE them-had my PP up to 142 mph last weekend). Torque did work. I still give the edge to the KTM GT in motor response and outright torque. But that’s all. PP better bike everywhere else-as it should be the price. Also-Superduke has Brembo Stylemos just as Ducati. Must be the pads?
@@tomtraynor5384 must be the difference in pads and the master cylinder, maybe electronics/fluid/lines 🤷♂️ Both tuono v4 and gran Turismo v4 have a good amount of torque accessible almost anywhere and are exciting to rev out because they build power, 1290 is not, also too viby, desmosedici stradale is a bit too top endy and flat/flacid at the bottom and in the midrange compared to others. I'd take the older Ducati V2s from multis over the superduke engine. Multi v4 does feel held back, especially after seeing what the similar engine is capable of in the streetfighter application, although multi has a much more usable powerband with more torque and power where it matters. It's better with the akra system, maybe bhp UK system with their tune or brentune would be more exciting with the higher redline. I did consider SDGT when I got the tuono, but they haven't brought the newer version to the states at that point.
One thing never talked about in the naked comparison. Not a major one but by the fact that those high end naked bikes with obviously a hyper sport nature, wind protection becomes something that should be observe. I own the aprilia factory and put the puig long wind bulb on it and when your at high speed when your down on the bike it makes a real difference and i think that such powerfull bikes like the ducati with completely zero wind protection just makes no sens.. even for the hyghway ride, ask any owner and it is really a pain in the ass to be always in the wind tornado with your head going like a bubble head toy.. they keep pushing power but absolutely nothing for the wind protection,
@@occrash5616 yes a neked, means at start, no fairing.. it is naked.. but the naked at start did not have either a superbike performance...they had mid engine for road fun ( and all around sunday bike with good road handling.. now with that power available.. speed and acceleration is definitely the new nature of the bike.. but without having complete full fairing like a real sportbike, with that much power, they could easily developp and upper fairing to protect you fron the high speed wind.. isn't what the engine is made for? And even on a normal highway ride, wind protection is really appreciated..🤗🤗
You should have tried the Duc. Yeah, cruise control is a miss, but I'll sacrifice that for a significantly better and MUCH more comfortable (and better looking) bike.
Interesting comment, because I daily ride the SFV4 and I didn't have any mentionable heat issues this summer, including the long red lights. Did you ride one yourself or are you quoting hearsay?
Also seems like they should have picked the R version of the Ducati - I believe it has same performance as the SP (?) just less carbon bits but about $28K but I guess they were doing top shelf for this test.
Too many comments to check but do these guys realise that the M1000R throttle response can be programmed 1/1 through the dash options? Which eliminates flat spots. Well at least it can in the UK. I wonder if the Beemer is smogged to death in the US. 😮
I’m surprised to hear that the M1000R’s engine had a midrange flat spot…the Shift Cam, newly introduced to the S1000R with this M model, should have largely smoothed that out.
This is a problem with the USA's emission and noise laws - I've ridden an M1000R in the UK and I can tell you the midrange is really strong! It's a shame - I used to watch USA bike reviews a lot but now in many cases the stock power outputs are lower than the Euro models. and the bikes don't ride the same way.
Looks and sound Aprilia. BMW for good value as a normal s1000r but the M is somehow just silly. Well and Ducati somehow for me always tooo expensive and never liked their look as much that I would pay for that kinda price.
A lot of people will not like the tuono because they can’t get the tuono to its operating level. The faster you ride that bike the better it gets and more flickable. The bike is like a bull , you need to ride it hard and it does everything easy .
Why haven't any of the inline four bikes besides Yamaha used the 90 degree crank set up? Seems like the mid-range flatness you spoke of would be solved on the BMW. Would that put the BMW on par with the Ducati? Then there is that sound.
The mid-range flat spot on the BMW has nothing to do with the engine configuration or firing order, it’s entirely to do with US noise regulations. A 180deg crank inline 4 can make just as much midrange torque as any other engine configuration of similar displacement.
I can tell you there is no flat spot.. yes the bike is sleeping under 4000rpm ... starts at 6000rpm you feel its awake and at 9000rpm 1 ticket to hell plz..and it can rev up to 14600rpm, so the reviews in europe are much different
The ducati despite costing a fortune, doesnt have cruise control. I will also bet cash money it will cook you anywhere near a traffic light. And probably doesnt even have a fuel gauge.
Why they don’t make bikes like that but with bodywork?? Don’t get me wrong, sports bikes are a pain in the ass once you have like half an hour riding them. Naked bikes are the best of both worlds. Sporty and more comfortable than a sports bike. Put some bodywork for wind protection and that’s it! 😊
I like your reporting on the nakeds. It would be cool to revisit this with BMW and Aprilia having a tuned map on them. Bren Tunning (BTmoto?) is most popular for BMW, 35% is my guess on the Aprilia vs. Gabro Racing (T800 UpMap). I have forged rims on my '23 moved over from my '21. The lighter wheels do help a lot. I also use a -2 on the Steering damping. (A modes) (M) I is pretty low. Just enough that if and only if a tank slapper ever happens, it will be firm enough to slow that down.
I own the Aprilia and I've driven the Ducati and I can't agree with the statement that the Aprilia has less space to move on the seat. It is exactly the other way around. Also, the Ducati is upright yes but does not possess the attack position simultaneously. These two just do not come together. My opinion
Totally disagree, I think before you even started filming it was going to be the Ducati, the M1000R is the best bike on the market by far, I’ve ridden both bikes and BMW wins it hands down
Horses for courses really. If money wasn't an issue, who wouldn't buy the best out there!! Like other comments on here the Aprilia is good enough for most but, not me...Ducati all the way.
The flat spot on the s/m1000s is horrible. I would not recommend the bike if you’re going to keep it stock/un-tuned. It feels like my 600 did or worse, no exaggeration. I can’t wait to get a reflash
This review seems to have bias toward Ducati, The Tuono is easily the winner along with even being the version with extra options its still under 20k and if you happen to live in a warmer area like myself the Ducati is impossible to ride in town or even on the freeway. Horrible experience with the heat coming from the Duc
I would not buy Aprilia even if it was 5k cheaper, absolute nightmare when it comes to reliability, at least with Ducati the issues is much easier to fix.
call me crazy but isnt a naked bike supposed to be more street focussed....but then these are track focussed versions of a bike that is street focussed...so why not just buy the supersport if you are tracking
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Just Think....🤔 a 20k Aprilia is competing with 30k and 40k motorcycles, that says alot for Aprilia.
Yea and it's easily the worst of the 3 which makes sense since it's cheap
MT10 is an even better proposition, only if you can stand its design.
To add to this, you might as well be testing a tuono x with headlights against these two to make it a fair fight. I'm biased as I own 2 aprilias but the bmw is a soulless computer and the ducati is unattainable to most. Weird comparisons. The aprilia belongs with the mt10 and triumph speed
@@mpmagnussento add to you, Ducati has become a poser brand.
Kind off different option to HD.
I also have Gen.2 RSV Factory.
@@ducedevlstear2471Ducati poser brand? Not anymore
For the price of the SFV4SP you can buy a Tuono V4 Factory, carbon wheels, 520 chain/sprockets, Cordona quickshifter, best Ohlin money can buy, best Brembo money can buy, full exhaust, flash/tune and still have couple of grand left.
Haha, couple grand left for fuel... I get about 140kms for every 16L of mostly city riding... It's pretty awful but it's so much fun that I don't mind.
Change Rear Sprocket to 44 tooth as top speed is not necessary.
And still not have a sfv4sp 🤣
@@JoeShep71 Yeah I've got 2 Tuono's, '14 APRC for Track Days & '21 RR for Touring & Drag Racing. We have 5 Tuono's in the Family, plenty of vids on my channel.
Says everything you need to know. Aprilia is the best overall package. But if money is not an issue than go ahead and buy ducati.
It's obvious that Aprilia has most bang for the buck and my pick too.
@@mortaljorma69 I agree 💯👍
I just got the M1000R and I have an SFV4S. The ECU flash really helps the BMW, as it did the SF.
You guys lost the piece of paper with the lap times scribbled on?
SIck of hearing these reviews with no concrete numbers. Are you not ALLOWED to reveal which of these bikes is quickest on track? Is that against what certain manufacturers allow?
How about giving us some numbers: braking distances, 1/4 mile times, 1/2 mile times.
Ive seen plenty of reviews where the Tuono is the fastest on track despite being heavier and down on power.
LOVE my 22 Tuono V4 Factory 😜
I love my 22 Tuono V4 Factory too 🤗
Great regards from Germany
Me too
is the Speed Triple 1200 RR not a contender? (or RS if you don't consider the RR enough of a naked bike)
I've got a non-Factory Tuono V4 and even without the additional goodies, it is a roaring good time. 175hp in a 460hp for $16k with a pretty solid electronics suite is worth it in my mind. Gas mileage is ass, I won't deny, so commuting isn't the greatest, but the overall experience makes up for it
Problem is the bikes are so heavily castrated out of the box due to euro and
USA laws. The m1000r in particular has a massive dip in mid range especially in 2nd gear. A remap from brentune gains 40-50hp in midrange which stops a lot of the issues you are seeing on track. Appreciate you have to review them ‘out of the box’. But a small amount of time and a little money transforms the bike. Makes it run richer, therefore cooler and the gains are immense all round (also kills the horrible high cold idle which is there to simply heat the cat as fast as possible).
I was thinking the same. Whenever watching reviews I think of which mod can resolve the reported negative haha
@@Jrstrdr you could argue a lot of people will never mod their bikes but I would say people buying hyper naked bikes and flagship sports bikes will not leave them Stock most of the time.
This is the market people will spend extra money with a full system and/or stage 1 remap. It kinda makes basic ‘out of crate’ reviews like this almost redundant.
@@theonlyredspecial well said, tuning unleashes the true behavior and attitude of the bike..
plus the SFV4 is the nosier of the 3 bikes..
@@juliuscarlopoblete2092 SFV4 can be tuned too. The OFT tune for the Streetfighter is a gigantic leap in power and smoothness. Imagine that for a second.
In Europa non c e il problema della 2 marcia... e ha 210cv, quindi presumo sia una restrizione per USA
In the end, Tuono costs 20k and for everyday rider is also complete overkill. And one more thing, there is no better sounding bike out there!
its so ugly
Tuono looks like a 4k bike, ugly af.
I wish they would compare a reg V4 and S1kr against the Tuono.
I did ride them all, however I have felt more connected with the triumph speed triple 1200 RS and I love it. Plenty power and enough in the real world
The 2022 SFV4SP was my first Ducati. It practically rides itself it is so good.
S1000r are more easy to drive✊🔥🔥
@@helgejohan3604 no
I have a 2023 Tuono 1100 Factory. Only mod thus far is a tail tidy. I will upgrade the wheels to forged or Carbon at some point to help the flickablility, but I am very happy with the bike. 2,600 miles in 2 1/2 months of ownership including some twisty mountain roads and will be on a track next November. Lots of options out there but I am happy with my choice given the mix of street and occasionaly track days i will be doing on this. The sound is awesome and the midrange torque is awesome.
go 44 tooth rear sprocket as well.
Same bike same year here.
Do you also have huge fuel consumption ? I mean i am always arround 12/13L per 100km ...
My friend riding with me with his 1290 Sdr is arround 6/7L while he is faster than me 😂😢
@@siegfriedz8211 Yeah, my brother rides a Speedy 1050 RS and I use 25% more fuel. I don't care cause we swap bikes and go half's on fuel when we go away riding the snowy's for a week at a time.
@@DukeOfTwist sûre.
I've lot of ofthers feedback with huge fuel consumption too.
I gess it is the most hungry naked out there 😅
Yes Mine drinks the gas!@@siegfriedz8211
I love my M1000R, it's such an insane bike yet so docile during commuting and low rpm/speed.
I don't think it's apples to apples comparison for the price of the Ducati I can buy RSV4RR and Tuono V4 Factory.
Well it makes perfect sense that a bike that cost almost double the Aprillia would beat it! It’s rather sad you left out the prices of the top two bikes because the majority of people can not afford them!
I have the non comp model bmw, it was $22k otd.
My M1000R was $30,461 for the competition OTD no payments
Top level commentary and review. I really appreciate each of your articulation of each bike.
Should’ve included the Super Duke since it’s the only dedicated naked bike in the class and is very track capable. It may come last but it’s an honorable mention and it’s in the same price bracket as the Aprilia so at least it would be semi affordable vs not so affordable
You clearly missed the first episode of this series... They had the Super Duke R and the MT-10SP against the Tuono, but they just couldn't compete.
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@@jbb3675 The tuono is just a RSV4 with slightly less fairings. It isnt a naked bike. The Super Duke is built from the ground up as a naked bike.
Super Duke R all the way. Add in the $$ you’ll save for the upgrades and you can really unlock the Beast.
Mt10 is way fun and reliable
Aprilia all day long ❤❤ the soundtrack alone is magical.
i agree i love my Aprilia Tuono v4 1100rr(2022)!👍😊
Had a '22 Tuono, don't rate it highly at all. The clutch rattled, it got hot, I got engine lights every second ride, the ergonomics were compromised, it vibrated when cruising to/from fun rides... It took a Gabro tune for it to feel a bit better but never good. Traded it on a BMW S1000R. The BMW was miles better in every way, except sound. Standard the electronics were more refined, it handled better, with a shorty pipe it screamed in Dynamic Pro and burbled on the overrun... It was fast but not playful. Traded it on a '22 MT10SP. Now the Yamaha may not have the most power, or the handling of the BMW but it's a brilliant blend between the Tuono and BMW characters. Plus, it's a hooligan in character... The Ducati... I wouldn't buy one purely because it doesn't have cruise control! I've had mountain bike crashes which have wrecked ligaments in my right wrist. I can't ride any bike for extended periods without CC. Until Ducati decide to fit CC to any of their sportier bikes, Streetfighter V2, V4, Monster SP, it doesn't matter, I won't buy one.
Well said, agreed.
So, you went from the prettiest bike to the ugliest bike... That's an odd transition. But, hey, to each their own.
All 3 of these bikes need an ECU flash and tune with filter and aribox mods and aftermarket exhaust. The flat spots and other quibbles mostly disappear.
It's always amazing listening to Riders at this level. You guys notice so much more and ride so much closer to a bike's capacity that lesser humans (Me) don't notice. Thanks for a great review.
Nice review. Thank you. No mention of the additional heat the Ducati engine makes? Surely that’s a negative. Or have they improved this?
I believe it has It two-cylinder deactivation at idle/stop lights. Dunno if that is a more recent “fix.”
@@tomtraynor5384 It would help however if you turn off a hot stove it still generates heat and I’m not sure if you’d notice any heat reduction. As it’s mainly to improve fuel economy. Haven’t ridden one yet however all my previous and current Ducati’s make too much heat to be properly enjoyed on a hot day.
Heat not noticeable,much worse on my st4s.
In some places ie the UK you can buy 2 aprillia,' s fof one of the others, nuff said.
Quite simply - they wern't ALLOWED to!.
I doubt the heat from the engine on the SFV4SP2 has ever been brought up but I know if you’re lugging around in low speeds, splitting traffic in LA and eventually stop at a light the heat from the engine after the fan kicks on is brutal. It’s why I never got it and chose the M1000R. It’s tuned to remove the flat spot and the really loud cold start so I love it.
Surprised the Speed Triple wasn’t a contender.
Great job guys!
Correct me if I'm wrong, are not these street versions of track bikes? Why is this a "Track" test?
The sfsp2 is a road legal track bike
They tested them on the track and street. 2nd half of the video was the street portion. Might want to check it out...pretty good.
I only ride my supernakeds on the road, and after testing them all i chose the s1000r sport at the best all rounder. After a remap and full exhaust, it's a great bike.
I couldn't get the v4 sound out of my head though, so also ended up buying a Tuono v4 factory with race pipe. Both great bikes with different strengths and weaknesses.
The bmw could do with an ohlins steering damper. The Aprilia needs an rcs17 corsa corta master to sort the soft brake feel. I've also downgeared both bikes (+2r on the tuono, and -1f on the bmw) to make the most of their engines.
The M wasn't announced when i bought them, but not sure you can use more than 175hp on the road anyway.
The Ducati was very nice, but i felt the speeds had to be higher to feel the bike, and the engine didn't sound as nice as the Aprilia.
If I had the money I'd go with the Streetfighter, it's such a gorgeous bike too.
I’ve always thought the Tuono is the best value over all… this is coming from a Panigale V4s and Diavel owner!! I thought the SF didn’t have enough wind protection for the engine power!! Already owning a naked power cruiser I went for a full Super Bike!! I do prefer the Tuono to the RSV4!!
As for the Bmw I just don’t like inline4 engines the bmw feels like a premium Zx10 or Gsxr 1k!!
Don‘t need to test the SP2 against the other bikes, just the „normal“ V4S will lead to the same result at a much more competative price. A lot of the SP2s extras are „nice to have“ - but do not create in my opinion a big performance advantage to the V4S.
Hate to disagree....but carbon wheels and an entirely difference suspension (the suspension on the SP is TOTALLY different than the V4S) is a LOT of difference and not just "nice to have"....they are major upgrades...
Sp2 has the panigale folks and different rear geometry.better brakes and carbon fiber wheels.
I take Tuono v4 sounds best and a loot cheaper ✊🔥🔥
Please eventually test the M with a tune. Man what a different beast !!!
BMW is supplying us shortly with a unit that will have the torque map installed. Stay tuned.
@@CWjustindawesthat's better I understand but still not uncorked. Wish I was out west to loan you guys my bike. The difference around 6k is amazing. Prior to tune I could go wot in 2nd around 4k rpms and no lift whatsoever until 10k ( I'm a big boy😂) now just above 6k it starts to climb and pulls so much harder from there. Totally solves the gear selection issue. If you guys get to East TN to road test some stuff. It's available for some seat time. Then again I can see where an aftermarket tune isn't an apples to apples comparison.
thanks for what you’ve done for us and everything you put into the video
This dude is wearing my favorite suit, revit apex 1-piece white/res Unfortunately it wasn't available in my size anymore so I had to go with the red/black option. Still a shame they don't produce these anymore
So I got a question regarding the Aprilia. The TSV4 Factory has been my dream bike. I'm about tonturn 38 and it's time for me to upgrade from my 2014 ZX-6R ABS, which I absolutely love, but I want something with less aggressive riding position.
Would swapping out the bars help the riding position any? Is it the bars, seat, pegs, tank or a combination of the? ThebAprilia has everything I want in a bike; Cruise Control, premium suspension, that perfect V4 sound, power, great looks, etc.. I think it even has Bluetooth for phone connectivity I think. The only concern I have is the riding position. I'm 5'9 & 180lbs.
I had to buy a module to get Bluetooth connectivity. I have the non factory version with higher bar risers as standard but I swapped them for the factory ones to get the factory riding position which I prefer. I’m super tall though at 5’7” 😊
Was gonna get the ducati but went with tuono instead. I like that its almost not a naked you have a front end to look over. Parts are a lot cheaper and bike sounds way better. Insurance is half the cost and riding position is better in my opintion. Tuono wheelies all day lol. Also the ducati pushed your wrists into the bars more making it less comfortable.
Whr is brutale 1000 rs and zh2 ?
I owned a Streetfighter and a weakness on the street is the noise. Some big birds were irritated by that… sounds funny, but it’s not when one of them starts to attack you…
Rode the streetfighter on track and the stability of the chassis while leaned over and the brakes...god lord the breaks are awesome! Wish I had more time on it but it was just for one session.
I also rode the Aprilia on the street for around 6 hrs and honestly my MT09SP feels more fun, didn't really enjoy how slow the turn in felt, the power is nice although again unless going triple digits didn't feel much crazier then the MT09SP. The seat and riding position was more comfortable for me compared to the Yamaha which was not what I was expecting!
Going to test ride a Super Duke at the end of the month....so excited! These hyper nakeds are a dream come true.
Be ready for a disappointment with the super duke 😂
@@volodymyrshoniia2424 44-Teeth recently picks Supeduke over all naked for street grins. Super-accesible and fun street power. Ride them all and pick YOUR bike.
@@tomtraynor5384 that and other tests are exactly the reason why I had high hopes for sdr before riding one, I thought it would be the most fun since it's a ground up naked and not a superbike turned naked, still my 690 SMC r is more bueno, some say 890 r is more bueno than sdr. The whole experience was dominated by that tractor torque engine that sounded awful and was pointless to rev out, all it had was big TORQUE and nice low speed balance/handling, the chassis was just struggling to contain that engine. The chassis, suspension (it was an Evo version, maybe fiddling with modes and settings would help, had plush ride quality but zero feel/feedback), brakes, engine, electronics, switchgear, or really anything on that bike isn't even in the same class as the tuono or the streetfighter. It is a very crude instrument, good if you want torque and wheelies, I suppose, somebody likes that, for my taste there was too much instant torque available, nothing to do with it, and no point in revving it out, not really any point outside of brap power wheelies which I'm not into. Anyway I decided to be a comfortable old man and switched to v4 pikes peak from the tuono after seriously considering and trying sfv4s (which I still would pick as a fun bike, or maybe even go down to V2 because v4 is way too fast for the road) and a bunch of other stuff.
Sadly my superduke impressions were the same as everyone I personally know who has tried it. Most say 890 is actually great unlike the 1290, still haven't tried that, 790 was a crapshoot.
@@volodymyrshoniia2424 I am also on a PP-from a Superduke GT. I hear ya-but engines are more alike then different. Ducati V4 even sounds more like a twin (Tuono-owned one-sound still bests all). Both tap out around 10,500 RPMs and rarely need to bother with anything over 8000 rpm’s in normal street riding (No-I RIDE them-had my PP up to 142 mph last weekend). Torque did work. I still give the edge to the KTM GT in motor response and outright torque. But that’s all. PP better bike everywhere else-as it should be the price. Also-Superduke has Brembo Stylemos just as Ducati. Must be the pads?
@@tomtraynor5384 must be the difference in pads and the master cylinder, maybe electronics/fluid/lines 🤷♂️
Both tuono v4 and gran Turismo v4 have a good amount of torque accessible almost anywhere and are exciting to rev out because they build power, 1290 is not, also too viby, desmosedici stradale is a bit too top endy and flat/flacid at the bottom and in the midrange compared to others. I'd take the older Ducati V2s from multis over the superduke engine. Multi v4 does feel held back, especially after seeing what the similar engine is capable of in the streetfighter application, although multi has a much more usable powerband with more torque and power where it matters. It's better with the akra system, maybe bhp UK system with their tune or brentune would be more exciting with the higher redline.
I did consider SDGT when I got the tuono, but they haven't brought the newer version to the states at that point.
One thing never talked about in the naked comparison. Not a major one but by the fact that those high end naked bikes with obviously a hyper sport nature, wind protection becomes something that should be observe. I own the aprilia factory and put the puig long wind bulb on it and when your at high speed when your down on the bike it makes a real difference and i think that such powerfull bikes like the ducati with completely zero wind protection just makes no sens.. even for the hyghway ride, ask any owner and it is really a pain in the ass to be always in the wind tornado with your head going like a bubble head toy.. they keep pushing power but absolutely nothing for the wind protection,
Not really a naked anymore then, is it?
@@occrash5616 yes a neked, means at start, no fairing.. it is naked.. but the naked at start did not have either a superbike performance...they had mid engine for road fun ( and all around sunday bike with good road handling.. now with that power available.. speed and acceleration is definitely the new nature of the bike.. but without having complete full fairing like a real sportbike, with that much power, they could easily developp and upper fairing to protect you fron the high speed wind.. isn't what the engine is made for? And even on a normal highway ride, wind protection is really appreciated..🤗🤗
How much to service them, how is the reliability, how durable will they still be going strong with 50k on the clock ?
I can't believe the S1000 motor is still known for vibes in the bars all these years later.
Is not a s1000 motor
Is a motor with 40 horsepower more than this
Shame US emissions laws muck up the BMW'S power delivery , it's not like that in Europe...or most other countries ☹
Them tree huggers make in the EUDSSR our life miserable as well 😢
I wish you could test the new MV Agusta Rush 1000
No cruise control on the Ducati is why I bought the BMW. But I have no regrets the BMW is the perfect bike for me especially after the tune
You should have tried the Duc. Yeah, cruise control is a miss, but I'll sacrifice that for a significantly better and MUCH more comfortable (and better looking) bike.
That's why I just bought the Diavel V4. Wanted the cruise control
It is so much better after tune. Even the shifting is so much better !!! Love mine. Enjoy it !!
The Tuono has heavy cast wheels vs the carbon fiber of the Ducati and BMW….that will affect flickabikity and braking. That should be considered.
Enjoying my ‘23 tuono - no issues, including long red lights
Interesting comment, because I daily ride the SFV4 and I didn't have any mentionable heat issues this summer, including the long red lights. Did you ride one yourself or are you quoting hearsay?
What's more fun than Riding Naked..😆
Also seems like they should have picked the R version of the Ducati - I believe it has same performance as the SP (?) just less carbon bits but about $28K but I guess they were doing top shelf for this test.
you can buy a Streetfighter R?
Yes, comes with ohlin suspension and is basically the same bike as in this review witough the addtional add ons/carbon bits@@joeridestrijcker445
The only naked spirit is on the BMW, Aprilia and Ducati more like supersport, i still go for a MV Agusta Brutale 1000 RR for hyper naked.
The reason there is a flat spot on the BMW is because emissions testing takes place at 7k rpms. It's "flat" by design so the bike can pass emissions.
Great video!!! Thank you.
Too many comments to check but do these guys realise that the M1000R throttle response can be programmed 1/1 through the dash options?
Which eliminates flat spots.
Well at least it can in the UK. I wonder if the Beemer is smogged to death in the US.
😮
Great videos. Great bikes. We love those bikes here too in London.👍
...and where is the Speed Triple?
I’m surprised to hear that the M1000R’s engine had a midrange flat spot…the Shift Cam, newly introduced to the S1000R with this M model, should have largely smoothed that out.
This is a problem with the USA's emission and noise laws - I've ridden an M1000R in the UK and I can tell you the midrange is really strong! It's a shame - I used to watch USA bike reviews a lot but now in many cases the stock power outputs are lower than the Euro models. and the bikes don't ride the same way.
Looks and sound Aprilia. BMW for good value as a normal s1000r but the M is somehow just silly. Well and Ducati somehow for me always tooo expensive and never liked their look as much that I would pay for that kinda price.
STREETFIGHTER V4S its the best super naked money can buy.. hands down
Bmw needs a tune, totally muted for emissions.
Elephant in the room, the Aprilia doesn't have Carbon wheels. Put some carbon wheels on it and see how much better it performs. They are around $4k.
The Italians will set a DTC and then do a crank-no-start in true Italian fashion.🤪
A lot of people will not like the tuono because they can’t get the tuono to its operating level. The faster you ride that bike the better it gets and more flickable. The bike is like a bull , you need to ride it hard and it does everything easy .
Where can you buy the yellow t shirt your presenter was wearing?
Why haven't any of the inline four bikes besides Yamaha used the 90 degree crank set up? Seems like the mid-range flatness you spoke of would be solved on the BMW. Would that put the BMW on par with the Ducati? Then there is that sound.
The mid-range flat spot on the BMW has nothing to do with the engine configuration or firing order, it’s entirely to do with US noise regulations. A 180deg crank inline 4 can make just as much midrange torque as any other engine configuration of similar displacement.
I can tell you there is no flat spot.. yes the bike is sleeping under 4000rpm ... starts at 6000rpm you feel its awake and at 9000rpm 1 ticket to hell plz..and it can rev up to 14600rpm, so the reviews in europe are much different
@@sup3rs0p0 yeah Euro spec S/M1000s are just as strong (or maybe stronger) in the mid range as the 1100cc “cheater” bikes from Aprilia and Ducati
You guys sound like ducati fans no offense this bike is 38 grand right and it was not fair to the aprilia at all
Sp and v4s are 99 percent identical the same only wight saving
LOVE MY ZH2!
Please Someone Can translate thé results please for me. Im french and dont understand all
I own the RR and just love this bike! Good value for the money! Does not heat that much unlike the 2 Italians (I don't know about the BMW).
Where is Triumph Speed Triple RR?
I own the RR and just love this bike! Good value for the money! Does not heat that much unlike the 2 Italians (I don't know about the BMW).
Considered a Superbike not a hypernaked
The ducati despite costing a fortune, doesnt have cruise control. I will also bet cash money it will cook you anywhere near a traffic light. And probably doesnt even have a fuel gauge.
Isnt this the most impractical segment of all!.. Naked Hypersports bikes with absolutely no wind protection!!..
And the Superduke is just so much more fun…
💯-I’m a Buell guy, but I rode a SD and if I had the bread, I would buy one without hesitation
Why they don’t make bikes like that but with bodywork?? Don’t get me wrong, sports bikes are a pain in the ass once you have like half an hour riding them. Naked bikes are the best of both worlds. Sporty and more comfortable than a sports bike. Put some bodywork for wind protection and that’s it! 😊
I like your reporting on the nakeds. It would be cool to revisit this with BMW and Aprilia having a tuned map on them. Bren Tunning (BTmoto?) is most popular for BMW, 35% is my guess on the Aprilia vs. Gabro Racing (T800 UpMap).
I have forged rims on my '23 moved over from my '21. The lighter wheels do help a lot. I also use a -2 on the Steering damping. (A modes) (M) I is pretty low. Just enough that if and only if a tank slapper ever happens, it will be firm enough to slow that down.
These prices got me ready for the economy to completely collapse. Or I'll just wait for next year's review of the $65k hypernaked shout-out
the Ducati should win for 38 thousand + .Motorcycle prices are ridiculous these days.
So much bodywork on naked bikes now. It's like they "identify" as naked.
I own the Aprilia and I've driven the Ducati and I can't agree with the statement that the Aprilia has less space to move on the seat. It is exactly the other way around. Also, the Ducati is upright yes but does not possess the attack position simultaneously. These two just do not come together. My opinion
One bike is missing in this test; Superduke RR
Tuono V4 1100 FACTORY all day long...BMW Zzzzzzz Ducati $$$$
Best bike on the road(no track) it’s a speed triple 1200…period
nailed it
Never bought the ducati because its missing cruise control. 👎
Where's the Super Duke evo!?
Ive only ridden the touring version of the BMW 1000, but the vibrations were annoying on that bike too. Big turn off for me.
Totally disagree, I think before you even started filming it was going to be the Ducati, the M1000R is the best bike on the market by far, I’ve ridden both bikes and BMW wins it hands down
Horses for courses really. If money wasn't an issue, who wouldn't buy the best out there!! Like other comments on here the Aprilia is good enough for most but, not me...Ducati all the way.
BMW flat spot…..because of USA emission regs? Same issue as when they launched the S1000rr
If you have money to buy a bike, you have it to bypass any of the regulations while making it better than better.
Mehhhh Im happy with my 2018 MT09 . ZH2 would be nice mind you.
The flat spot on the s/m1000s is horrible. I would not recommend the bike if you’re going to keep it stock/un-tuned. It feels like my 600 did or worse, no exaggeration. I can’t wait to get a reflash
This review seems to have bias toward Ducati, The Tuono is easily the winner along with even being the version with extra options its still under 20k and if you happen to live in a warmer area like myself the Ducati is impossible to ride in town or even on the freeway. Horrible experience with the heat coming from the Duc
I would not buy Aprilia even if it was 5k cheaper, absolute nightmare when it comes to reliability, at least with Ducati the issues is much easier to fix.
ducati all day
We Tested the BEST Naked Bikes !Ducati! Money Can Buy!
KTM SUPER DUKE R is not one of the best? You guys in Cycle World why didn't choose KTM? Tell us...
call me crazy but isnt a naked bike supposed to be more street focussed....but then these are track focussed versions of a bike that is street focussed...so why not just buy the supersport if you are tracking
Maybe on track but as a road bike where's the ktm
The aprilia is hardly a naked. It has more plastic than a z1000 and a m1000r combined
Man missed out on MV AGUSTA BRUTALE 1000RR
It didn't do so well in other similar tests, I'd certainly go for any of these bikes tested before the Brutale.
No H2R?