Again, thank you so much! Husband has this gen (...and others) and it's awesome to understand what he is saying!! Please keep it coming! Thank you, The wife.
Yeah when I was in school we ran Old Ford HighBoys and idi diesels, some of the more unfortunate guys drove square body Chevrolets haha. My senior year I bought an ‘84 F250 4x4 with a 6.9 and a 4spd and that was one sharp truck, but, thanks to a blown head gasket I drove my uncles 93 F250 4x4 that had a ZF5 and a 7.3 Turbo. I remember picking my buddy up on the way to school and some dude was driving slow as hell up a pretty long, steep hill so I went to fourth gear and passed him “on the hill” and my buddy looked at me with his eyes wide open and said “Damn this thing picks UP speed on a hill!!”... we had a pretty good laugh cause there was NO passing anybody when going up a hill with the old 6.9 hahaha. The P-Pump 12 valves came out in 94 but around here people didn’t really start juicing them up till around ‘99 and 2000, those P-Pump trucks were one hell of a game changer
If you youngsters want a racing truck, put a turb'd Viper v-10 in it. Trucks are made for hauling. Not HAULIN'. My stock '97 12v has never failed to easily pull any load I've ever put in it. When I want to drag race, I bring out my 2.5L Dodge turbo powered trike.
yes do this i just did mine last night it was a headache and a half due to prev owner took out the smallest spring for some reason and took a few words to figure it out but i was only able to find 1 half done video on TH-cam about it and if you do it do an in depth one for people
i like the 12 valve content. would have liked to see more how to on the parts you instead. there isn't very many good how to and detailed videos of performance mods like that. it would help some of use out but great video. great company
Great video for possibilities for a 12V, but not super helpful for a diy guy. Would be nice if you did several videos that detailed the steps of what you are doing other than here is what we are going to do and three seconds later, “it’s done” next step.
I think the fact that the old Cummins engines were so unstressed is one of the reasons they lasted so long. My Dad had a 1992 Ram 3500 with the Cummins and a 5 speed. We ran a 40' gooseneck and it never failed to pull what we needed it to. I also would get 22 mpg running empty. We sold it with over 450,000 miles and as far as I know it's still going strong. The only complaints are the truck was very noisy with rough suspension. It also rusted pretty bad
Under stressed is the best. I’ve got a 2000 bmw 323i, 2.5l inline 6 gas engine ~172hp ~189tq . It’s 100 miles away from 249K and it’s an 5 speed auto. Original engine and tranny, no rebuilds. It’s slow but it just keeps ticking.
@@FishFind3000 Still driving my 94 12 valve have not had it forever .Picked up my 5 year old dog in it.Bought the AFC ,do have the knowledge ,just not the balls or the heart ,my dog would never forgive me it is his truck i just drive it. Boss just called me back to work.Maybe I get another 5.9 .Will the dog know if i get another 5.9 or other ? I hear tell he knows "his truck" from a block away and we live on the highway.he aint giving up that P-pump easy. Shoot 285000 just about half life anywhooo.If i can get another maybe this will just be my Reeseys,
I have an auto... If I have my trans rebuilt, can it be built to handle this power level? How hard is is to convert to manual... I'm already planning on taking the engine out and rebuilding it... It's got 350k on it...
@@pddofficial I have a 04 and an 06 Cummins trucks. Wanted to put a straight fitting Sneaky Pete nitrous nozzle in the intake after the air filter and Purge washer fluid in the intake. just for pulling big Hills when hauling to get the engine temperature maintained at 200 degrees or under. For longevity I just don't like running the motor over 200 degrees In Summer with a load sitting on the side of the road waiting to cool off which takes forever. Some Dodge tech said 200 was safe other Dodge tech said 220 was safe. I would rather be safe than sorry and stay at 200 or under. Was going to use the windshield washer pump motor wired through the ignition with a purge momentary switch injecting washer fluid in the intake just for pulling Hills. It shouldn't over fuel the motor or hurt longevity should it? Both trucks are all stock except for the 04 with a aftermarket air filter and intake Tube that come on it. I like longevity and dependability. I just get tired of sitting on the side of the road in 105-degree heat in the summertime waiting to cool down pulling a load.
Valve spring install is very straight forward. The gsk is a little trickier, one because in situ it can be a bit like playing operation with the springs and shims. A dixie cup with the bottom cut out, a hook and magnet make that much safer from dropping anything into the pump. Setting up the spring preload is up to you. Some guys go by clicks, others (like me) use a caliper.
I figured that out since then and I picked my truck up today built 47re now... stoked triple disc billet input/flex plate/gear band, ect... So I need the 4k gov's because of the low stall I think it will help. its bone stock right now putting afclive on tmrw.
well i mean its a trade off between engine life and power, at 145hp itll do 1million miles, at 300hp it might do 600k miles, at 500hp it might do 250k miles, all depends alot on what supporting mods go with the upgrade and how much the truck is thrashed, it shouldnt blow up a month down the road though unless something was really messed up on install
Clutches are not rated in HP, not sure why you're saying that. HP doesn't slip clutches, TQ does. HP is just a mathematical representation of work done over time utilizing torque as the base reference.
I was looking at injectors one day, and I realized that HP is a synonym for fuel consumption. The only rating that matters is TQ; while efficiency is truly measured in a TQ to Fuel Consumption ratio; but people are too stupid and easily confused to understand that. I mean, we could dispense with the sensationalism that sells stuff to be accurate, but who among us wants to risk lower sales? I mean, sensationalism has already sold America into debt, why stop now?
I was told by an old timer that it takes 4 gasoline horsepower to make 1 diesel horsepower based on the torque difference it makes sense but I guess it was an over simplification
Boanerges, torque is not the only rating that matters. HP is a measure of how quickly work can get done. Think of it as a measure of how quickly you can drive an amount of weight up a hill. Torque is a measure of twisting force. Gearing can take any torque and convert it to any other torque if you slow or speed up the rotation to maintain the same amount of power (which is torque x rpm). As long as you have the right gearing, maximum HP is what you need to haul a heavy trailer up a mountain at the highest speed and it is also what you need for quickest acceleration. Engine efficiency is also measured by fuel rate per HP not torque. Torque without knowing the rpm is of little value but HP on its own tells you how quickly you can get work done, accelerate, etc. (as long as you have the gears to put it to use).
Such a great video, I was wondering what I have to do to my 12V to get around those number! Thank you for breaking it all down and can't wait to do something similar
I will continue watching no harm done I hope just personal opinions I’m curious to see what will come of this I currently drive a Ford F-150 with 300,000 original miles with its original motor who nows I might decide to drop a cummins in it but I thank you for the clear explanation of everything it does make a little more sense my apologies non the less great sounding CUMMINS ...
Careful swapping a Cummins into a half-ton, a fully dressed 12 Valve weighs over 1,200 lbs! A 4BT could probably safely work & still have more torque than your 5.4 Triton, while also nearly doubling your MPG's.
I have owned a 96 Dodge 2500, and a 99 Dodge 3500 dually. I currently own an 04 Chevy 2500 Duramax and a 99 Ford F350 drw 7.3 Powerstroke. My Dodges got 18-23mpg hwy, 15-17 mpg freeway, and around 16 in town. Stock, no mods. Power SUCKED. Towing my gooseneck over Snowqualmie or Lookout was a real chore in the Dodges. Bought a 99 F350 dually powerstroke, already modded to 360hp or so. 55mph up snowqualmie with gooseneck. Sold the Dodges rather than dump money in to get a good tow rig. My next project is an 88 Ford f350 srw 4 door. Want to ditch the 6.9 and put a 12 valve modded to 300hp or so in. Hunting truck. In my experience, Dodge fit and finish is awful to awfuk. Everything rattles and clanks when you shut a door. Interiors feel cheap. Seams and seals suck. Gappy and just not well done. I like the big rig look of the 90's dodges, but the lack of crew cab and the fit and finish, probly wont ever own one again. The Duramax? Would never buy one again. Superb power, great economy, superb fit and finish; but...BUT...The tranny is a financial meltdown to replace, and the Duramax electrical problems are a nightmare. Too bad, because it is a superb truck. Moral of the story, I will stick to Ford and just put a cummins in the hunting trucks. I really do love the 7.3 Powerstroke. Love the sound of a Cummins 12 valve too. Music for the soul.
! did a few of these things to my truck and the biggest problem now is axle wrap when pulling my 5th wheel up a steep long hill...the engine wants to go but the tires are gripping to tight...traction bars/ladder bars are next I guess...
New subscriber here! I have a 94 second gen 12 Val with a single 74mm turbo 5x14 injectors 4K gov springs and triple disk converter. I have had EVERYTHING built inside my jasper transmission and I mean everything!! Im around 850 HP. I’m getting ready to put a fas flow fuel pump system on it but I want to add an additional turbo I just don’t know witch one to go with. I have had a lot of people tell me different things but just wanted your opinion. Love the videos! Thanks
850 hp truck you would of already had to have a upgrade fuel system.... next time you talk about a truck you dont have with the power you couldn't afford nake sure you make sense
PowerDrivenDiesel so I love 12 valve trucks and I am going to build one I would like to have about 1000 horsepower. Thats why I would like to just hang out with guys sometime and talk about what all I need besides the obvious. That's also why I am so tuned into yalls youtube channel and the resurrection of frienkenstien!
P.s I had the AFC live on my other truck and loved it. I still have the truck but it’s been in a crash that took it off the road. I definitely liked the 12 valve 5 speed manual better than the 24v with with the automatic. I’m considering swapping out drive trains.
#6 fuel plate and 4k governor springs with 60lb valve springs will go a long way for a few hundred dollars and a weekend with basic tools, make sure you grab boost and egt temp guages first and run them a month to get some baselines
Question Could you re-gear first to 35 inch tires. I’m not real sure on adding gadgets to make my 97 Ram 4x4 , it’s automatic transmission. I would like to double the horsepower for a stock truck , hauling & towing and occasional cruise night
Just ran across this video and was curious what the mods you have done in this video would cost and if there are any other mods needed to ensure reliability and durability with the added power.
Interesting video. Just a coup;le of questions. What do you lose in the conversion? Increased Horse Power doesn't come free.Injection timing, has this been set up on an apparatus similar in concept to a Hartridge machine? Original Injector timing has been set to gain max burning of fuel at the moment of injection. Plus all injectors are bench tested and pre-set, equi spray patterns verified and formation of sprays checked inc delivery pressure to each injector.Spray patterns checked and delivery valve closure verified for efficiency and leakage.That plus the spray pattern of the injector determines the efficient generation of power from the cylinder. If the injection phase is early, then the flame travel / ignition will be early which immediately has a slowing effect on the piston travel. With all that in mind, what exactly has been lost, in able to gain the figures which are quoted? I am not slagging it off, just curious.The engine has been rated at a Horse Power for given RPM, increasing the RPM, unless original dyno info is available does not necessarily mean an increase in Brake Horsepower.. Again, I am just curious.
That was a 25 year old truck. How much did it cost to get that extra HP? What if you have the stock auto transmission for 95? Can it support the extra power?
@@jonsmith2217 I know your comment is old but at 400hp if you don’t drive like an idiot and it isn’t tuned to be Smokey you will get more MPG than stock.
Mine is stock with 536,000 kilometers. At this point I'm to nervous to do anything with it in terms of performance. I have no complaints about how it does. I'm certainly not a racer. But towing a decent amount would be nice.
@@pddofficial that's a good piece of advice. I did just buy a 2022 ram classic with a 5.7 in it. I was impressed with the towing figures. But I don't reckon it can touch the Cummins for MPG. I certainly don't want to wreck the old gal. I was lucky enough to even get it. There not easy to come by in Canada. So I'd like to keep it as long as I can. I'll definitely look into your suggestions though. Even if I could just get more torque out of it, I could care less about the horsepower. It means very little to me.
Thank you for this video; great information. What would be the cost these days for all the upgrades (minus labor cost) you show in this video to achieve the power numbers on the 12-valve Cummins?
You got ROBBED!!! All you needed were Tow Mirrors to signal the Moose Stampede! Don't worry about the chassis rusting away from the engine. You have that $3 interior to tie it all together.
No, they'd be too busy crawling around a mall parking lot with their Power Wagon friends. Followed immediately by a circle-jerk which would be held a safe distance away from the trucks, should one of them bust prematurely, strike a truck, and dent the body on it. You'd know it was all over when you heard all of their transmissions slip in unison as they went out seeking another mall parking lot to crawl around.
I have the same truck but with automatic, one different I bet is big is my 12 valve has only 49,000 miles with only thing done is a banks air box. What could I expect if done this to mine with and auto trans?? And to have this done would cost me what about? Do you know any great diesel shops in the Tacoma Washington state?
Thanks for the excellent video! I have used two of those clutches from South Bend and they are a bit stiff on the pedal especially for all the city driving I do. If you drop down to the 400 hp clutch it's a softer and more stock like pedal. I'm also curious what was the boost numbers you needed to achieve that horsepower/torque level. I've had my share of blown head gaskets on stock turbos and head studs. I've blown 2 head gaskets at 40 PSI on stock head bolts and two at 40 PSI with head studs. 17* timing. Needless to say I made some upgrades. 🙂
I have compound turbos both on 3 brand first turbo is 72mm and second is 88 non waste gated, I have shields custom fuel plate, o clearance delivery valves, 7x14 injectors, hamilton cam 188-220 cam, valve springs and push rods. P pumped first gen, five speed, with fass fuel system. Should I mess with timing to create more power or consider blow off valves. What can I do to make good power with what I have. Its inner cooled and has 3 inch air intake.
what about when all u do is modify your fuel plate and your fuel pump wont keep up? i dont think yall did that without a fuel pump upgrade but if u did please let me know how
I would love for you guys to do something to my truck ive watched this video a couple of times just fascinating slowly buying what i need to do mine all at once 😭
I have a fummins F450 self loader tow truck What can I do to a stock 12 valve with p pump to make enough power to get this up to 300-400 HP range like the 6.0 powerstroke that was in the truck originally without smoking up the street but still get out of its own way. I’m also running the ford automatic 5R110 transmission. Truck with me in it is 11,000 lbs then towing cars all day so I’m always heavy
I know this video is a little old. But I'm curious on how injectors are measured. On the website, the injector set in this video is rated at 40hp over stock. How were you able to push out 150 horsepower over stock with these injectors?
Hey Guys. I have a '96 12- valve Cummins and i wanted to know if it is necessary to upgrade the fuel supply when i would double the horse power as my truck is running off of the nechanical fuel lift pump?
I wonder what gains I could receive from a timing bump on my LDT465. It has but loads of fuel capacity but the EGTs are dangerous. Turbo is tiny though so there are obvious limits to what she’ll do either way.
You would definitely reduce egts by advancing the timing. Another thing to think about is getting a higher flow exhaust and possibly going up 1 size in turbo. Or even putting a larger external wastegate on to allow that turbo to spool quick and get those hot exhaust gasses out of the manifold
I have a bone stock 1997 , 12 valve, automatic . Truck is one owner with 106k miles. I think I need to do the exact thing to it you just did to this truck. How much time in shop to make these upgrades.?
@@pddofficial : I know. The guy testing for emissions here in Denver, who gave me this information, said that he noticed Cummins hp was often less than rated but the torque always way more than rated. Said he noticed this every day. He couldn't explain it, but that's his findings. This truck has 59,000 miles and started life as the personal vehicle for the Fire Marshall of Spokane, WA. Early maintenance was first class. You can eat off the engine. Zero rust. Not one drip. Maybe all that care helps.
Are you saying the hp gains are certain to destroy the frame? Unless the truck is completely rusted out the engine doesn't move much. Its 1200lbs of smooth spinning inline 6 steel. I don't see that happening genius.
When you bump the power up that much are head studs needed? Also what about the stock intank pump, does it need upgraded to keep up with the extra fueling?
This is going to sound weird, but is there a way to reset my AFC housing to factory-ish settings? I recently bought a 1997 12 valve and the dude said the pump "has been turned up a bit" referring to the smoke screw and the star wheel and the timing moved to 15.5 degrees. He doesn't know anything else about the pump, someone else did the work. Like I said, can I reset these changes so that I can redo everything myself the way I want it done? Thanks!
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if i didn't know better this looks like a regular tv show except better with out commercials
Amen to that! All the sponsor crap and commercials have ruined the Speed channel for me.
The whole video is a commercial
Again, thank you so much! Husband has this gen (...and others) and it's awesome to understand what he is saying!! Please keep it coming! Thank you, The wife.
Well aren't you a keeper
Epic wife
Where does one even find a wife like this?
That is a beautiful truck, where I live they are just a memory. Back in High school you either dreamed of a 12 valve Cumins or a 7.3 with a turbo.
I dreamed of a 12 valve in high school. Now I own one.
David Does I’m tryna do the same
Yeah when I was in school we ran Old Ford HighBoys and idi diesels, some of the more unfortunate guys drove square body Chevrolets haha. My senior year I bought an ‘84 F250 4x4 with a 6.9 and a 4spd and that was one sharp truck, but, thanks to a blown head gasket I drove my uncles 93 F250 4x4 that had a ZF5 and a 7.3 Turbo. I remember picking my buddy up on the way to school and some dude was driving slow as hell up a pretty long, steep hill so I went to fourth gear and passed him “on the hill” and my buddy looked at me with his eyes wide open and said “Damn this thing picks UP speed on a hill!!”... we had a pretty good laugh cause there was NO passing anybody when going up a hill with the old 6.9 hahaha. The P-Pump 12 valves came out in 94 but around here people didn’t really start juicing them up till around ‘99 and 2000, those P-Pump trucks were one hell of a game changer
I have a 1990 12V and a 2000 7.3…. muahahaha
With a manual shift, icing on the cake. Awesome!!!!
I was not expecting that much of an increase in torque, that's insane!
Governor spring kit bumps torque up significantly
Exactly, horsepower is worthless in a diesel, we want torque!
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@@theninja001 Agreed. All these young bucks bragging about horsepower. I want to know what kind of torque an engine is making.
I really like the shape of the modded torque curve. To me, that is how a diesel torque curve should look. Low end torque to the max.
agreed. if i want to run like a gasser ill run a gasser
Awesome! I have a 89 Dodge dully with 5.9 Cummins you guys should use on a double the power video
The technician made it look easy!
This guy was working so fast I thought he was getting the truck ready for SEMA!
If you youngsters want a racing truck, put a turb'd Viper v-10 in it. Trucks are made for hauling. Not HAULIN'. My stock '97 12v has never failed to easily pull any load I've ever put in it. When I want to drag race, I bring out my 2.5L Dodge turbo powered trike.
tigerseye Ok.
True man. Im taking it easy on a 99 F350 crew cab zF6 spd manual. 4X4 longbed. Stock under 200kmiles
You guys should do a governor spring installation video
yes do this i just did mine last night it was a headache and a half due to prev owner took out the smallest spring for some reason and took a few words to figure it out but i was only able to find 1 half done video on TH-cam about it and if you do it do an in depth one for people
vids of ALL the steps in this build IE timing and governor spring / I know you have a AFC vid already
Deboss garage channel
Look at decent garage
i like the 12 valve content. would have liked to see more how to on the parts you instead. there isn't very many good how to and detailed videos of performance mods like that. it would help some of use out but great video. great company
I just bought a ‘94 Dodge 3500 with the 5.9L i6 Turbo Diesel. I would love to do something like this to mine.
Great video for possibilities for a 12V, but not super helpful for a diy guy. Would be nice if you did several videos that detailed the steps of what you are doing other than here is what we are going to do and three seconds later, “it’s done” next step.
They do that, because they want you to pay them to work on your truck😂
This was a great video. Exactly the info I was looking for and super well-made.
I bought 3k gov springs and afc live from you guys, what a difference over stock.
Did you install
Awesome video, Not even 2.5x the torque, not 3, but 3 sounds cooler. That was one clean truck.
I think the fact that the old Cummins engines were so unstressed is one of the reasons they lasted so long. My Dad had a 1992 Ram 3500 with the Cummins and a 5 speed. We ran a 40' gooseneck and it never failed to pull what we needed it to. I also would get 22 mpg running empty. We sold it with over 450,000 miles and as far as I know it's still going strong. The only complaints are the truck was very noisy with rough suspension. It also rusted pretty bad
Under stressed is the best. I’ve got a 2000 bmw 323i, 2.5l inline 6 gas engine ~172hp ~189tq . It’s 100 miles away from 249K and it’s an 5 speed auto. Original engine and tranny, no rebuilds. It’s slow but it just keeps ticking.
@@FishFind3000 Still driving my 94 12 valve have not had it forever .Picked up my 5 year old dog in it.Bought the AFC ,do have the knowledge ,just not the balls or the heart ,my dog would never forgive me it is his truck i just drive it. Boss just called me back to work.Maybe I get another 5.9 .Will the dog know if i get another 5.9 or other ? I hear tell he knows "his truck" from a block away and we live on the highway.he aint giving up that P-pump easy. Shoot 285000 just about half life anywhooo.If i can get another maybe this will just be my Reeseys,
Yep I got 1 also. Love it
Notice how the real power guys don’t bother with a “cold air intake” or as I call them “hot air intake”
Finally someone understands holy shit every truck on kijiji its got a cold air intake like you spent 300 on dollars on that extended intake lmaoo 🤣😂
I bought mine with one. I hate it. Gets filthy quick
I have a 6.5l and I went the route of just putting a k and n right on the stock box better than the 300 dollar kit lol
I like your videos! I have a 96 3500 12 valve! I'm new to the diesel world!
Same here, mine is 97, got it 2 days ago for business I have
Double how much diesel you buy a week with these simple mods. Great video and inspiration for my 12v
Luckily it’s not a auto....or that would be the next episode...
Makes me wish it was an automatic for the extra video! 😁
Grocery Getter transmission comes first.
With input shaft & 5th gear issues the manual tranny is better than the auto but not by a lot.
I have an auto... If I have my trans rebuilt, can it be built to handle this power level? How hard is is to convert to manual... I'm already planning on taking the engine out and rebuilding it... It's got 350k on it...
@@pddofficial I have a 04 and an 06 Cummins trucks. Wanted to put a straight fitting Sneaky Pete nitrous nozzle in the intake after the air filter and Purge washer fluid in the intake. just for pulling big Hills when hauling to get the engine temperature maintained at 200 degrees or under. For longevity I just don't like running the motor over 200 degrees In Summer with a load sitting on the side of the road waiting to cool off which takes forever. Some Dodge tech said 200 was safe other Dodge tech said 220 was safe. I would rather be safe than sorry and stay at 200 or under. Was going to use the windshield washer pump motor wired through the ignition with a purge momentary switch injecting washer fluid in the intake just for pulling Hills. It shouldn't over fuel the motor or hurt longevity should it? Both trucks are all stock except for the 04 with a aftermarket air filter and intake Tube that come on it. I like longevity and dependability. I just get tired of sitting on the side of the road in 105-degree heat in the summertime waiting to cool down pulling a load.
Make a video to go more in depth on the installs please
Great video! I think imma do a very similar build to my truck, do you know what the fuel mileage was after done installing all the upgrades?
I need a 4k Gsk kit and 60lb valve spring full tutorial from you guys.
Valve spring install is very straight forward. The gsk is a little trickier, one because in situ it can be a bit like playing operation with the springs and shims. A dixie cup with the bottom cut out, a hook and magnet make that much safer from dropping anything into the pump. Setting up the spring preload is up to you. Some guys go by clicks, others (like me) use a caliper.
I figured that out since then and I picked my truck up today built 47re now... stoked triple disc billet input/flex plate/gear band, ect... So I need the 4k gov's because of the low stall I think it will help. its bone stock right now putting afclive on tmrw.
So easy to make power on these mototrs. With minimal changes. Love it.
Hi I would like to know where I can find and purchase your product I live in Québec and can’t find canadian site with pdd stuff
I always thought taking the plate out damaged the engine? You guys would know better though!
well i mean its a trade off between engine life and power, at 145hp itll do 1million miles, at 300hp it might do 600k miles, at 500hp it might do 250k miles, all depends alot on what supporting mods go with the upgrade and how much the truck is thrashed, it shouldnt blow up a month down the road though unless something was really messed up on install
Verry good video!!! i hope you gonna make same type of video but on different engine like a old gm 6.5
Clutches are not rated in HP, not sure why you're saying that. HP doesn't slip clutches, TQ does. HP is just a mathematical representation of work done over time utilizing torque as the base reference.
I was looking at injectors one day, and I realized that HP is a synonym for fuel consumption. The only rating that matters is TQ; while efficiency is truly measured in a TQ to Fuel Consumption ratio; but people are too stupid and easily confused to understand that. I mean, we could dispense with the sensationalism that sells stuff to be accurate, but who among us wants to risk lower sales? I mean, sensationalism has already sold America into debt, why stop now?
I was told by an old timer that it takes 4 gasoline horsepower to make 1 diesel horsepower based on the torque difference it makes sense but I guess it was an over simplification
They are also rated for rpm with the max rpm and torque you know what the max horsepower is. So they do have a max hp rating as well as torque.
Boanerges, torque is not the only rating that matters. HP is a measure of how quickly work can get done. Think of it as a measure of how quickly you can drive an amount of weight up a hill. Torque is a measure of twisting force. Gearing can take any torque and convert it to any other torque if you slow or speed up the rotation to maintain the same amount of power (which is torque x rpm). As long as you have the right gearing, maximum HP is what you need to haul a heavy trailer up a mountain at the highest speed and it is also what you need for quickest acceleration. Engine efficiency is also measured by fuel rate per
HP not torque. Torque without knowing the rpm is of little value but HP on its own tells you how quickly you can get work done, accelerate, etc. (as long as you have the gears to put it to use).
Slider68 but without torque x rpm for power as you stated... how are you getting power before torque? That's my million dollar question
Such a great video, I was wondering what I have to do to my 12V to get around those number! Thank you for breaking it all down and can't wait to do something similar
Just need a package like the link below powerdrivendiesel.com/product/diesel-tech-fuel-package/
I will continue watching no harm done I hope just personal opinions I’m curious to see what will come of this I currently drive a Ford F-150 with 300,000 original miles with its original motor who nows I might decide to drop a cummins in it but I thank you for the clear explanation of everything it does make a little more sense my apologies non the less great sounding CUMMINS ...
Careful swapping a Cummins into a half-ton, a fully dressed 12 Valve weighs over 1,200 lbs! A 4BT could probably safely work & still have more torque than your 5.4 Triton, while also nearly doubling your MPG's.
Please do a ve pump truck. I want to see 500 horses with my truck but I don't want to change to the 14mm head on the injection pump
That is a beautiful truck for its age, I would consider trading if got my 6.7
Dont even need to do any kf thoes upgrades to add much more power. Just tweak to p pump and there ya go more power.
That's amazing, great job guys! You made it look easy!
Great video guys!
@Ruben Deacon stfu bot
I have owned a 96 Dodge 2500, and a 99 Dodge 3500 dually. I currently own an 04 Chevy 2500 Duramax and a 99 Ford F350 drw 7.3 Powerstroke. My Dodges got 18-23mpg hwy, 15-17 mpg freeway, and around 16 in town. Stock, no mods. Power SUCKED. Towing my gooseneck over Snowqualmie or Lookout was a real chore in the Dodges. Bought a 99 F350 dually powerstroke, already modded to 360hp or so. 55mph up snowqualmie with gooseneck. Sold the Dodges rather than dump money in to get a good tow rig.
My next project is an 88 Ford f350 srw 4 door. Want to ditch the 6.9 and put a 12 valve modded to 300hp or so in. Hunting truck.
In my experience, Dodge fit and finish is awful to awfuk. Everything rattles and clanks when you shut a door. Interiors feel cheap. Seams and seals suck. Gappy and just not well done. I like the big rig look of the 90's dodges, but the lack of crew cab and the fit and finish, probly wont ever own one again.
The Duramax? Would never buy one again. Superb power, great economy, superb fit and finish; but...BUT...The tranny is a financial meltdown to replace, and the Duramax electrical problems are a nightmare. Too bad, because it is a superb truck.
Moral of the story, I will stick to Ford and just put a cummins in the hunting trucks. I really do love the 7.3 Powerstroke. Love the sound of a Cummins 12 valve too. Music for the soul.
Would these kits work in a marine application for example 210 HP 6bt Cummins
! did a few of these things to my truck and the biggest problem now is axle wrap when pulling my 5th wheel up a steep long hill...the engine wants to go but the tires are gripping to tight...traction bars/ladder bars are next I guess...
New subscriber here! I have a 94 second gen 12 Val with a single 74mm turbo 5x14 injectors 4K gov springs and triple disk converter. I have had EVERYTHING built inside my jasper transmission and I mean everything!! Im around 850 HP. I’m getting ready to put a fas flow fuel pump system on it but I want to add an additional turbo I just don’t know witch one to go with. I have had a lot of people tell me different things but just wanted your opinion.
Love the videos! Thanks
850 hp truck you would of already had to have a upgrade fuel system.... next time you talk about a truck you dont have with the power you couldn't afford nake sure you make sense
I'm sorry to break it to you buddy but you have less than half that horsepower
Awesome Job what else could you of done to get to 400hp at wheels and more torque! Change the turbo? Cold you go washer Fluid eject?
That torque wrench is next level!
Snap-on for the win!
Same one I got in the same color haha I love that thing. It’s cool it can do the degree settings on the bigger Cummins injectors
As always todd you guys are awesome with the 12 valve and love your videos. Keep up the good work! All the way from mcalester oklahoma!
PowerDrivenDiesel so I love 12 valve trucks and I am going to build one I would like to have about 1000 horsepower. Thats why I would like to just hang out with guys sometime and talk about what all I need besides the obvious. That's also why I am so tuned into yalls youtube channel and the resurrection of frienkenstien!
P.s I had the AFC live on my other truck and loved it. I still have the truck but it’s been in a crash that took it off the road. I definitely liked the 12 valve 5 speed manual better than the 24v with with the automatic. I’m considering swapping out drive trains.
Could you install the fuel upgrades but keep stock injectors? I'm really looking to add a little power but keep the million mile reliability
It would be interesting to see dyno runs with and without afc live.
You could just use a different fuel plate # 1 thru 10...look it up and you will see What I talking about...
#6 fuel plate and 4k governor springs with 60lb valve springs will go a long way for a few hundred dollars and a weekend with basic tools, make sure you grab boost and egt temp guages first and run them a month to get some baselines
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Could you re-gear first to 35 inch tires. I’m not real sure on adding gadgets to make my 97 Ram 4x4 , it’s automatic transmission. I would like to double the horsepower for a stock truck , hauling & towing and occasional cruise night
Just ran across this video and was curious what the mods you have done in this video would cost and if there are any other mods needed to ensure reliability and durability with the added power.
Interesting video. Just a coup;le of questions. What do you lose in the conversion? Increased Horse Power doesn't come free.Injection timing, has this been set up on an apparatus similar in concept to a Hartridge machine? Original Injector timing has been set to gain max burning of fuel at the moment of injection. Plus all injectors are bench tested and pre-set, equi spray patterns verified and formation of sprays checked inc delivery pressure to each injector.Spray patterns checked and delivery valve closure verified for efficiency and leakage.That plus the spray pattern of the injector determines the efficient generation of power from the cylinder. If the injection phase is early, then the flame travel / ignition will be early which immediately has a slowing effect on the piston travel. With all that in mind, what exactly has been lost, in able to gain the figures which are quoted? I am not slagging it off, just curious.The engine has been rated at a Horse Power for given RPM, increasing the RPM, unless original dyno info is available does not necessarily mean an increase in Brake Horsepower.. Again, I am just curious.
I have a 97 Newmar front diesel powered by a 6BT and running an Allison 5 speed transmission. Would these upgrades work on my engine?
Did he get his killer dowel pin dealt with?
I wish yall would do a video on doubling horsepower on a first gen ve pump😂
Man I need this to my tuck. Where you guys located. Hard to find a good diesel mechanic in nyc
That was a 25 year old truck. How much did it cost to get that extra HP? What if you have the stock auto transmission for 95? Can it support the extra power?
Wait you made 800 ftlbs ... That is just insane
@@pddofficial golly
@@pddofficial what kind of fuel mileage does it get before and after?
890 actually.
@@jonsmith2217 I know your comment is old but at 400hp if you don’t drive like an idiot and it isn’t tuned to be Smokey you will get more MPG than stock.
I know that seems like to much torque tbh
Mine is stock with 536,000 kilometers. At this point I'm to nervous to do anything with it in terms of performance. I have no complaints about how it does. I'm certainly not a racer. But towing a decent amount would be nice.
You can Start with just adding the afc live, a timing bump, and governor springs.
@@pddofficial that's a good piece of advice. I did just buy a 2022 ram classic with a 5.7 in it. I was impressed with the towing figures. But I don't reckon it can touch the Cummins for MPG. I certainly don't want to wreck the old gal. I was lucky enough to even get it. There not easy to come by in Canada. So I'd like to keep it as long as I can. I'll definitely look into your suggestions though. Even if I could just get more torque out of it, I could care less about the horsepower. It means very little to me.
Thank you for this video; great information. What would be the cost these days for all the upgrades (minus labor cost) you show in this video to achieve the power numbers on the 12-valve Cummins?
Around $3400 with clutch,exhaust,intake powerdrivendiesel.com/product/diesel-tech-fuel-package/
10:36 you look 12 feet tall
That's all well and good but HOW MUCH DOES IT COST?
You got ROBBED!!! All you needed were Tow Mirrors to signal the Moose Stampede! Don't worry about the chassis rusting away from the engine. You have that $3 interior to tie it all together.
No, they'd be too busy crawling around a mall parking lot with their Power Wagon friends. Followed immediately by a circle-jerk which would be held a safe distance away from the trucks, should one of them bust prematurely, strike a truck, and dent the body on it. You'd know it was all over when you heard all of their transmissions slip in unison as they went out seeking another mall parking lot to crawl around.
nine9sixSPS. I didn't think it was possible to get cancer from a comment...
Found a Dodge owner!
nine9sixSPS found the salty bitch!
Thanks for the reminder. I think I’ll flip my mirrors up just for you.
How about testing with an aftermarket intake/air filter. As the exhaust has been updated, how about the intake side ?
a 1st gen 300hp kit is a no 2. flat head screwdriver
i hear ya, but 260 to the wheels means at least 300 at the crank.
Throw a 1/8 advance on there and I bet she would of hit that 300 ,
Question. Why did the stock rig with just afc live and a air intake have more power then this truck with a whole lotta other upgrades?
TrystenTork
I have the same question
Cool. Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense. Need to get mine ordered soon. 🎅🏻🎅🏻🎅🏻
PowerDrivenDiesel so which trucks come with the better pump?
Can you explain the different pumps in depth for me. I have a 98 12v 3500 5 speed.
What turbo would you suggest for a 1995 12 valve with Bosch 370s, pump turned up, street cam, head studs, Hamilton rods and mahle pistols?
@@pddofficial do you guys carry the s300?
I have the same truck but with automatic, one different I bet is big is my 12 valve has only 49,000 miles with only thing done is a banks air box. What could I expect if done this to mine with and auto trans?? And to have this done would cost me what about? Do you know any great diesel shops in the Tacoma Washington state?
Give our sales staff a call and they would be happy to help you!
Thanks for the excellent video! I have used two of those clutches from South Bend and they are a bit stiff on the pedal especially for all the city driving I do. If you drop down to the 400 hp clutch it's a softer and more stock like pedal. I'm also curious what was the boost numbers you needed to achieve that horsepower/torque level. I've had my share of blown head gaskets on stock turbos and head studs. I've blown 2 head gaskets at 40 PSI on stock head bolts and two at 40 PSI with head studs. 17* timing. Needless to say I made some upgrades. 🙂
@@pddofficial Awesome, Thanks!
Did the increase in horsepower create a lot of smoke?
No that power level can have great smoke control
Did it act like it had a rev limiter ? Blue/white smoke? Mine acts this way won't rev over 2000 rpm.
Having a lift makes doing the clutch and the exhaust so much easier. Doing an exhaust without a lift is not fun. At least I'm not enjoying it :)
You should do a video on how to do the fuel timing please. You speed by that part
Playing the white stripes at 7:25...nice!
I have compound turbos both on 3 brand first turbo is 72mm and second is 88 non waste gated, I have shields custom fuel plate, o clearance delivery valves, 7x14 injectors, hamilton cam 188-220 cam, valve springs and push rods. P pumped first gen, five speed, with fass fuel system. Should I mess with timing to create more power or consider blow off valves. What can I do to make good power with what I have. Its inner cooled and has 3 inch air intake.
Exactly what I was looking for thanks
One of things I'd love to do with a 5.9 12 valve. I badly want one of these trucks.
what about when all u do is modify your fuel plate and your fuel pump wont keep up? i dont think yall did that without a fuel pump upgrade but if u did please let me know how
A healthy stock lift pump should handle 500hp.
I would love for you guys to do something to my truck ive watched this video a couple of times just fascinating slowly buying what i need to do mine all at once 😭
I have an 1993 f700 with a 5.9 Cummins and a 5 speed Eaton fuller transmission. Is this something that can be done on my truck to boost hp?
Yes depending on the p pump serial number but to start you can add our Afc live.
I have a fummins F450 self loader tow truck What can I do to a stock 12 valve with p pump to make enough power to get this up to 300-400 HP range like the 6.0 powerstroke that was in the truck originally without smoking up the street but still get out of its own way. I’m also running the ford automatic 5R110 transmission. Truck with me in it is 11,000 lbs then towing cars all day so I’m always heavy
I know this video is a little old. But I'm curious on how injectors are measured. On the website, the injector set in this video is rated at 40hp over stock. How were you able to push out 150 horsepower over stock with these injectors?
Snd the cost of all the parts ???
Hey Guys.
I have a '96 12- valve Cummins and i wanted to know if it is necessary to upgrade the fuel supply when i would double the horse power as my truck is running off of the nechanical fuel lift pump?
We would recommend 40 to 50psi at idle and no less than 40psi at wot
So... out the door cost? Around $3K including tax and labor?
I wonder what gains I could receive from a timing bump on my LDT465. It has but loads of fuel capacity but the EGTs are dangerous. Turbo is tiny though so there are obvious limits to what she’ll do either way.
You would definitely reduce egts by advancing the timing. Another thing to think about is getting a higher flow exhaust and possibly going up 1 size in turbo. Or even putting a larger external wastegate on to allow that turbo to spool quick and get those hot exhaust gasses out of the manifold
I have a bone stock 1997 , 12 valve, automatic . Truck is one owner with 106k miles. I think I need to do the exact thing to it you just did to this truck. How much time in shop to make these upgrades.?
Very nice what does something like this cost thanks.
If you need an automatic trans as well around 15k
Thanks would need a trans too . U guys are awesome 👌
Awesome video,y'all are awesome
My 2001 5.9L, 100% stock, is 220 hp and 890 ft lbs. No mods at all.
@@pddofficial : I know. The guy testing for emissions here in Denver, who gave me this information, said that he noticed Cummins hp was often less than rated but the torque always way more than rated. Said he noticed this every day. He couldn't explain it, but that's his findings.
This truck has 59,000 miles and started life as the personal vehicle for the Fire Marshall of Spokane, WA. Early maintenance was first class. You can eat off the engine. Zero rust. Not one drip. Maybe all that care helps.
nice job, i wish i can put DD 6.6 in my gmt330...
Anything need to be done with the head gasket or valve springs?
Have you ever put a Cummings and a Ford Powerstroke
Brace yourself for new Motor Mounts, and broken frame around the Steering Gear box.
Are you saying the hp gains are certain to destroy the frame? Unless the truck is completely rusted out the engine doesn't move much. Its 1200lbs of smooth spinning inline 6 steel. I don't see that happening genius.
So How Much Boost Did It Make Stock And Modified? That's some vital info that was left out!! Why??
How much would this day cost minus the supplies.labor and dyno only?
Awesome video guys
Just curious. What would the power look like if you didnt change the timing?
Wow huge gains!!!
Total price of install would be nice to know, even if its just an estimate or ballpark.
When you bump the power up that much are head studs needed? Also what about the stock intank pump, does it need upgraded to keep up with the extra fueling?
This is going to sound weird, but is there a way to reset my AFC housing to factory-ish settings? I recently bought a 1997 12 valve and the dude said the pump "has been turned up a bit" referring to the smoke screw and the star wheel and the timing moved to 15.5 degrees. He doesn't know anything else about the pump, someone else did the work. Like I said, can I reset these changes so that I can redo everything myself the way I want it done? Thanks!
Anyone know which spring they put in? I ordered a spring but it doesn't appear as loose as the one they dropped in
We installed our 4.5k