Jace has a reason to be concerned he is a bastard but no one questions it because he has a dragon but if any bastard can get one what real claim does he have.
i totally understand his struggle but it kinda seems hypocrite of him since this whole dragon seed thing was his idea, granted he never said that they should pick the bastards for dragon riders but it was a possibility since they were coming for anyone with targaryen blood
@@julia2802 Jace idea was to find high born riders from noble houses who have claims elsewhere but still have the blood not low born bastards who have an actual claim to the throne.
@@julia2802 he suggested to find riders from noble houses that have targaryen blood and who don't have a claim to the throne and not some random bastards from king's landing who can betray them anytime.
Targaryen bastards have a claim to the throne. High born lords who have a distant Targaryen relative they have no claim because they aren’t Targaryens just have the blood.
Silverwing was literally like "this is the first human l've seen in ages, he'll do" LMAOO with a couple little playful nose boops. she's like "he's smol and pathetic and boopable" I loved it.
Not only that, the plan itself is stupid. Having Addam claiming Seasmoke would be enough to fight for her claim together with Daemon; but no... Rhaenyra wants to fell powerful like Visenya and feared like daemon. She is letting her ego get the best of her, something that her father for all his flaws never allowed it to dictate his actions. AS viserys said; Dragons are something men should never have trifled with, and now to give these nuclear beasts to a bunch of random people? That's a dumbbbb idea
@@GustavoCardoso95Perfectly said, Jace is 100% right to be upset. Giving The Second largest dragon, and the fourth largest(I don’t know how big sheepsteeler is, but I know that cannibal is the third largest) away is just stupid. I’m calling it that Aemond is going to lock up Hugh’s wife, and force Hugh to fight for the greens if he wants to save her life.
@@Eagle09-nv5xdthat would change his arc of a betrayer, most likely she is gonna go to tumbleton to her brother like she said she would and Hugh is gonna sack it without realizing she is there
You know what else his legitimacy rests on? Surviving the war. And winning it. Any worries about legitimacy are meaningless if they can't win and survive the war, and they won't be able to without the dragonseeds. Even if Daemon joined back with them, it would only improve their odds by a margin but not guarantee a victory. Sunfyre will recover long before the Black's smaller dragons grow up, and if Aemond managed to get Helaena to fight it is going to be a wrap. Dreamfyre is big. Time is not on the side of the Blacks.
@@GustavoCardoso95: It's never "enough" when you're fighting against other dragons, including the largest dragon of all. It is a poor plan for many reasons, but that's not one of them; the rest of your comment is correct, though, and does identify the actual reasons why the plan is bad.
I get where Jace is coming from 'cause he's like "Targaryens are known for being blond and controlling dragons. I'm not blond, and now you're kind of saying anyone can have dragons. How will anyone take me seriously as king once you're dead." It also makes sense for him to be a self-hating bastard, given he's basically been told to lie to himself about who is father is his whole life.
Rhaenyra was my favourite character but at this point in the story she is becoming so stupid and self centered. The truth is that she wants to feel powerful like Visenya; if she just reached out to daemon and made peace with him that would be enough to kill Vhaegar. Seasmoke and Caraxes together? It's a wrap. She got manipulated big time by Mysaria and is making enemies in her own family and council. It seems like Visery's lessons didn't imprint on her
@@anonymous-bb2dw He's not literally talking about the color of the hair lol the other bastards now have the biggest dragons and arguably a better power claim than Rhaenyra. She fucked up by putting random commonfolk on those dragons, it was a very very stupid idea and I bet it will ruin her claim later on
@@anonymous-bb2dw Who? In the books Rhaenys has dark hair, but that just proves my point- she was passed over for Queen. At this point in history, if you want to be King/Queen, you need the Targaryen Traits (Golden hair, a dragon, in the books purple eyes), and Jace realizes that when he inherits people will question his legitimacy at every turn, all he has is a dragon, and he needs that to remain unique to him.
I feel like so many people watching the scene between Jace and Rhaenyra miss the point Jace was trying to make and then hate on him. He was right tho, what if those new riders just decide to switch up on them and want to have their own claim to the throne? What if Rhaenyra dies, Jace is her heir, will those men in her council and the rest of the realm that are loyal to Rhaenyra wanna fight for him? Those bastards look more Targaryen like than Jace and who is to say that the realm won't change their loyalty because of that. Let's not forget the fact that they now got dragons that are way larger than Jace's own, he would have no chance against them
Jace is not wrong to be worried about his legitimacy. But he is wrong for trying to stop the plan. Because without the plan, they won't survive this. And if they don't survive it, then what the fuck is the point of worrying about legitimacy? Without the dragonseeds they won't even have a future for him to be worried over. He is putting the carriage ahead of the horses.
@@naosou921 Except they should've continued JACE'S fucking plan! Finding loyal highborn people that had enough Targ blood to claim a Dragon but no real legit claim to the throne! Addam at least has pretty solid loyalties to the Blacks since he wants his Dad's approval & his brother who he loves is fighting for the Blacks. They should've recalled Rhaena & had her try with Big V or Silverwing. CLEARLY Laenor was still alive out there when Rhaena tried with Seasmoke which is why she was refused. But in episode 3 they made a big point to showcase Seasmoke being very upset & restless. That is because somewhere out there Laenor died. Seasmoke felt it & get upset then found a rider that reminded him of Laenor. Rhaena tried claiming a dragon who was already claimed. But Big V & Sliverwing weren't & she should've been allowed to try again with them. She's get guaranteed loyalty & would be a valuable rider. Not these random's who grew up poor & never knew power like riding a dragon.
@@jacob41057 There aren't any more highborn fucking people. This is only 130 years after the conquest. Most of the targaryans married among themselves before Jaehaerys changed that, and even then, half of his kids didn't have kids and the ones that did mostly married each other. You are acting as if people with targ descendancy are a dime a dozen at the supermarket. Rhaenyra spend days pouring over scrolls to find ONE guy, and he failed. And that is not mentioning the fact that even if she does find someone, they have to be on her side of the war. Here, let me put names and numbers to it for you: Jaehaerys had 13 kids, but only ended up having 4 official grandchildren: Daemon, Viserys, Aemma and Rhaenys. Aemma and Viserys married each other. That is 2 fucking generations without a single highborn person outside of the family having the blood. The number of people is demonstrably low and be proven mathematically and the odds of success aren't higher either. And lastly, even if you do manage to find someone, good luck convincing them to drop their cushy noble life and risk themselves against a dragon to try and claim it. I have no idea why you and so many people are acting like highborn people with targ blood are easy to find at this point in history. This isn't Game of Thrones era.
Silverwing was probably thinking if he got passed Vermithor, then this human must be okay. She is probably lonely and yearns to have a human companion again
@@CollideFan1 I really think that's what it is in the end. Her and Vermithor are a mated pair and she sleeps next to eggs that are hers and Vermithor's... So that was a nod to that direction for book fans.
I kept making jokes with my gf that vermithor and Vhagar were grandparents and vermithor was like “Rhaenyra is that you! Hhhhhhoooooghieeeee I haven’t seen you since Jahaerys took you on his lap for ride with me ! How you been child! And you brought me dinner ? This is why you the queen”
@@xZFeroxZxIf you look it up Vermithor and Silverwing are life long companions because their previous riders were the king and queen. Balerion was the biggest before Vhagar but died before the show started
Vermithor the Bronze Fury (96years old) and Silverwing the Calm (94 years old)... They both are a mated pair btw! As we're their previous riders king Jaehaerys and Good Queen Alysanne! XD Also remember in the beginning of the season as Cregan Stark talked about a dragon not crossing the wall? Silverwing was that dragon who refused Alysanne's command to fly over the wall!
Wait, so you're telling that they had Silverwing THE CALM, but decided "nah, too easy, let's start with the BRONZE FURY first". No wonder it all went downhill
@@korall869 they're a mated pair. Good luck trying to get past Vermithor first. The assumed reason why Silverwing accepted Ulf was because she smelled the Vermithor on him because he got pushed off by the bronze fury. Silverwing probably thought that he was approved by Vermithor...
That’s really cool to know. I thought her was much younger. The dynamics into their place makes more sense now. Vermithor stands near the entrance while her stands back there guarding the eggs. But knowing that Hugh it’s going to switch sides, I hope Vermithor don’t get forced to attempt kill Silverwing 😢
i support Jace here... if any can claim a dragon, who's to say these people wont challenge him or Rhaenyra after they win. Remember Daemon said - " Dreams didn't make us kings, dragons did. "
But without the dragons they will lose the war and die. Which problem do you think is the most critical? Troublesome vassals in the future or losing the war and dying?
Dragon Keepers are completely in their right to be angry. Dragons are the biggest treasure of House Targaryen, some of the last remnants of Valyria's magic, and as the result of this war, they eventually died out.
Hugh immediately validates what Jace was telling his mother. “If I claim a dragon they’ll name you a lady” and they’ll then want more, when they have that power and see what they could do
I mean, he isn't wrong. If he gets a dragon, they will have to make him a lord. That is just common sense to appease and reward a strong and useful war resource like a dragon rider, it is not "greed".
Ulf got lucky. Silverwing was said to be the most docile dragon. She was queen alysannes dragon & you can even call her Vermithors girlfriend lol. They spent alot of time together because vermithor was king jahaerys dragon. Those are the two dragons who flew to the wall that Cregan stark mentioned in the first episode. Silverwing probably flew straight to kings landings on her first ride with Ulf since that’s what she was always used to being the queens dragon. Like hey guys I’m back ! Lol
Jayc concern is it is well known he is a bastard. So if some other Targaryen bastard comes along with Silver hair and purple eyes to challenge him he worried they will be supported. Its not an unfounded fear. This all started with a female heir and the obviously bastard children she bore That ending tho! DRAGOOOOONS
@@havok6280 we all gotta stop with the book stuff. It would be one thing is written like GOT but its written as a historical presentation by maesters. Bias ones at that. The one failing Im willing to cop to is when they remove characters completely. Thats something i wont bite back on but the in the books argument isnt strong for this one
I think many people are misunderstanding Jace. He's worried that when Rhaenyra dies, him being heir will be questioned for being a bastard. His only proof of being a pure Targaryen was being a dragonlord. Now that people are aware that even lowborns can be dragonriders, his Targaryen status is now "ruined". He is a dick yeah, but his pain is not out of nowhere.
Hugh Hanmer the one who claimed Vermithor his mother was Princess Saera Targaryen. She was a rather free girl and slept with many men her father King Jaeharys sent her to be a septa but she escaped and went to lys were she worked in a brothel.
That crushed Jaeharys he stopped claiming her as his daughter.. Can’t lie because of her is one of my favorite parts of the book when Jaeharys at 49 fought the stinger and killed him while he made sure she watched
@@mikaylagore1174 in fairness she gave Jaeharys his most grief.. She definitely seemed like an evil child from the same cloth as Joffrey and Ramsey.. Jaeharys and Alysanne really did the best the could with her
@@mikaylagore1174 her on dragon woulda been a bad bad thing.. She already wanted 3 husband since Maegor had 3 wives 😂😂😂 that alone proved she should never be anywhere near a dragon 😂😂 Her son seemed like a good man
Jacaerys protecting his insecurities onto the dragonseeds is PAINFUL. Him saying mongrels, baseborn, etc. so forcefully, I'm like...damn, you got that hurled at you a lot huh? 😢
He was so awkward and timid the first time he met Daemon. But it was his time to be a leader he really stepped up. I do wonder how much of that was knowing that his people outnumbered Daemon in that moment, though, and thinking that they'd protect him if Daemon got upset enough to try and kill him.
The last riders of Vermithor and Silverwing were King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne, so now their two grandsons - Hugh and Ulf, respectively - have been chosen by the dragons as their new riders. A refresher for anyone who's confused by the family wreath, Hugh's mother is probably the princess Saera Targaryen, so he is Daemon's cousin, and Ulf's father is (supposedly) Baelor Targaryen, making him Daemon's half-brother.
When the bastards tried to flee, Rhaenyra blocked them with her guards, so she killed them all to get a dragon. It's actually murder because the second they try to escape the deal is off, don't block them from escaping.
Oscar was also playing it up earlier this season to show Daemon that he was a weak person so when they meet again he could show Daemon that he is actually powerful and not that weak boy he met earlier.
Huge's mother is probably Princess Saera Targeryen. Daughter of King Jaehaerys. She did run away and become a prostitute and did have sons according to fire and blood. The old king regretted how he treated Saera when he was on his death bed. Ironic if Saera's child is the one to claim her father's dragon considering her father basically wrote her off and disinherited her.
"how he treated her" Bro, what. Jaehaerys was extremely softhearted with her and gave her preferential treatment, even when she made a colossal fuck up he still was going to let her go with a slap on the wrist. She was known to harass and torment servants even as a child and would play around with men, teasing them and making them fight each other. She would coerce her noble handmaidens into having sex with men for her entertainemtn and it even resulted in them getting pregnant. She was caught with 3 different knights and admitted to sleeping with all of them. Her punishment for all this? She was simply going to be sent to stay grounded with her sister who was a septa, temporarily. Did she take the very light punishment and accept her guilt? No. She tried to steal a dragon egg and escape, which caused the old king to get so angry that he sentenced all her lovers, who were guilty of a crime, and even ended up killing one of them in a trial by combat that the knight demanded. After that, he finally gave up on her and declared she would join the fate to pay for her actions, but she escaped to Lys to become a courtesan and had a bunch of bastards, that she would send to Kings Landing as a mockery.
I don't understand how people don't see the logic in Jace's concerns. Rhaenyra is right that without the dragons they will lose, but the way that she's doing it will set Jace up for deja vu. Except this time he'll be Rhaenyra, trying to prove his claim and Rhaenyra will be Viserys, steadfast in her desire for him to be heir but working against him in a roundabout way Also very fucked up to block the exits during the sowing
How are people so utterly blind to Jace's reasoning?! He is absolutely correct. The *only* thing that elevates him and his brother above the accusations of bastardy is dragons. The *only* thing that elevates the Targaryens above other nobles is dragons. Lose that privilege and not only Rhaenyra's inheritance is thrown into utter jeopardy, but the throne itself is threatened. Giving dragons to other families is extremely dangerous, which is why it is essentially never done. Giving dragons to the baseborn is perilous to the extreme. They have no inherent loyalty to anyone. They have no sense of duty and honor that, successfully or not, is bred and taught to the nobles since birth. Most importantly of all, they have no use for the whole institution. And you give them nukes. You give them the very thing that will allow them to overthrow the institution. Jace is stating the truth - the plan is risky to the point of being insane. "You can't just leave the room". So what is she supposed to do? Stand before a dragon who is certain to kill at least some of the people before him and die with them?
Silverwing is actually known to be one of the more docile/friendly dragons. I think she was just happy someone showed up for once, or she thought one of her babies hatched. I like to think all this time she’s been trying to hatch a human and shes like “Oh shit, it worked!”
i understand that many people are "bored" by Daemon's plot, but in the books it is not really explained why he is in Harrenhall for so long, personally I love what they have done with his character this season, he is atoning for his sins and facing his dark part, has finally awakened from his "sleep" or "journey" The Rogue Prince returns stronger than ever 🔥🖤
I think Daemon plot is fine and it’s very asoiaf but I think the main problem is this whole season is slow and it wouldn’t really matter if it didn’t just have 8 episodes And personally they don’t show Rhaenyra ruthless side even tho it was hinted last season
@@brettthebest3978 she literally just forced those bastards to die in the dragon pit after many tried to flee, I get you want "book" Rhaenyra but you have to understand that its unreliable information that purposely paints both sides as more evil than they actually are.
@@lotus2001 mate I haven’t even read the book but I’m talking about the last shot of season 1 then this season it start of her grieving (rightfully so) but then she immediately try to sue for peace even tho your son got killed like I thought the flood gates are broken this is war but everything is in a kinda slow pace even tho it should be the complete opposite Overall I like this season but it feels like a bridge between last and next season than being it’s own
@@greendragon4870 I guess you don’t like character development and inspections You really shouldn’t read asoiaf books bc majority of it is dreams and hallucinations also stay clear of the silent hill games bc you will hate that too
the way Aemond tells Vhagar "shit, let's go back" when he sees Rhaenyra with the other three dragons? pure satisfaction, Rhaenyra my Queen, you are the best 🖤🔥
@@RhaenyraT2001 sneak attack shows how fk smart he is no need to put up a fight just outsmart em and THEY couldnt not do the same to aemond cause he knew it was a trap
"The moment Rhaenyra touched Vermithor, she found her ancestors closer than ever. Reminded her of a strength she always had but was hidden. The dragon, a living evidence of the Targaryen legacy, and through that touch, she paid tribute to her blood, the VALIANT kings, her ancestors" "At that moment, she closed her eyes as she promised that she would fight for the Targaryen legacy and RIGHTEOUSNESS" ALL HAIL THE BLACK QUEEN🖤
11:40 Willem blackwood is the guy daemon just beheaded. Y’all remember in the first season when rhaenyra was looking for suitors to marry and the lil blackwood kid killed the bracken guy that’s ole boy 😂
The first one: Vermithor, the second largest in the world, first ridden by King Jaehaerys the first. Vermithor was an extremely fierce dragon that fought along caraxes and vhagar during the Fourth dornish war. Its looks along with its attitude gave it the nickname "The Bronze Fury". The second one: Silverwing, ridden by Queen Alysanne. This silver dragon was partnered with Vermithor and they often cuddled in the dragonpit. She was another dragon that was quite large, but not as large as Vhagar or Vermithor.
U guys clearly dont understand the major consequences of what Rhaenyra has done and how Jace is completely justified with his argument. Rhaenyra in order to get the throne must make the most devastating sacrifice to the system itself. If all dragons can be claimed by anybody than the illusion of the Targaryen power and dynasty goes away n that itself destroys the monarchy to which rhaenyra and jace have their only power from. The class system of the entire society of westeros will be gone thanks to rt actions that could future destroy the realm more than the civil war that is happening now. I get why Rhaenyra is doing what she is doing but the long game is in play n like usual Rt is not thinking about how this shakes the entirety of house targaryen. A great episode.
Giving dragons to lowborns with Targaryen look is such a dangerous decision, they can literally one day just decided to usurp the throne themselves and betray Rhaenyra. Jace as a legitimate heir would not be sufficient from this point. Jace idea was to seek for highborn with Targaryen blood, as they were sworn to the Realm with oaths to be uphold, compared to lowborn they can just flip the switch out of nowhere and causes uprising to the throne as they have nothing to lose.
Jace has every right to be upset because Rhaenyra doesn't see the magnitude of the problem, she never thinks about in the long term and the possible consequences if her decisions or plans don't work. By doing that the house Targaryen loses prestige and superiority if anyone can ride a dragon, since they have the reputation of being untouchable and being the only ones capable of owning dragons and with this type of moves they lose all kinds of credibility, also they are unrecognized bastards and doing this gives them rights that they shouldn't, so there can be a big problem with the succession as any bastard will want to claim his position and then they will want to take his throne, then it would be more difficult than it already is for Jace to claim his succession if it happens.
Im just repeating what i heard someone else say so it could be true or not. But apparently Silverwing is supposedly the friendliest dragon. She was just playing with Ulf and he didnt crush a egg he destroyed the outer casing they come in. So she was just booping him and then smelled him and that was good enough for her.,
It was Jaces idea but only for highborns. Yes he’s entitled to it. That’s the whole point of royalty and the aristocracy. They’re supposed to be special. He may be a bastard, but a highborn on both sides so…
I feel bad for Jace. What Jace feared will exactly happen. Bastards with bigger dragons will betray Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra is being played by Myseria. She is destroying her children's future.
So the mother of Hugh is Saera Targaryan. In season 1, Lyonel Strong said to Viserys that Jaehaerys's daughters drove him crazy, and it is particulary the case for Saera. She often made cruel jokes around her and took advantage of her status as a princess to have immunity from all the stupid things they did. She was extremely beautiful and loved having people at her feet. She was manipulative and arrogant. Growing up, she is caught in a sordid affair and her father learns that she and her high-born friends had sexual relations with a half-thug squire, at her initiative. Jaehaerys will realize with horror that in reality, Saera slept with 3 other boys. Faced with the young girl's distrust, Jaehaerys will send her to Vieilleville so that she can enter the Sisters of Silence, far from luxury and her condition as a princess in the hope of obtaining repentance from her, but Saera 'will flee by pushing a Septa down the stairs, breaking her hip. She will flee across the strait, selling her body for the passage, then working in a pleasure house in Lys before ending up managing it. Jaehaerys disowned her. In the books, several of his bastard children showed up at the great council of 101 in hopes of claiming the crown that fell to Viserys. According to the series, it seems that Hugh Marteau is one of Saera Targaryen's bastards
You forgot to say taht she would also coerce her handmaidens into having sex with men for her entertainment, even causing some of them to get pregnant. She also tried to steal a dragon egg after she was caught and learned of her punishment.
Ryan Condal said in the featurette after the episode (or maybe it was the director of this ep) that it was Emma's suggestion to have Rhaenyra moving through those potential dragonseeds as she delivered her monologue. It was written up for her to be stationary. Brilliant improv on her part.
@@sproductionsinc I love listening to her speak Valeryian! The language has evolved in the shows I believe they have perfected it since Dany/Emelia Clarke. Emma speaks it way better, but Im not throwing shade at Emelia
This is implying that Hugh's mum is Saera, Viserys and Rhaenys aunt, who was banished by Jaehaerys for having a bit too much premarital fun. She became famous in the brothels of Lys and Volantis and fun fact, in the books her sons directly challenge Viserys and Rhaenys for the crown lol
Why you guys always side with Rhaenyra? Wtf!? Jace was right in his pov. If you stop mocking, trying to say something in every scene and watch it really, you might understand. Even in the dragonkeepers scene. Dragonkeepers was right!
Thats the problem, they think they rooting for the "good guys" even thou almost everybody is corrupt and cruel no matter which side 😅 and when one of the "good guys" does something crazy they immediatly hate him/her or are very disappointed 😂 Cant wait for S3
To be fair, I don't think he had much control yet. And considering how close they are from Dragonstone to King's Landing I think the dragon just thought it was going back to the dragon pit at the castle until they started shooting at her.
@@GeorgeAlexander3110 not gonna lie I actually thought it was gonna happen. I was like her she is just trying to be calm and the writers were gonna be like AAAAAND BIRDSHIT
King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne had a ton of kids…one of those kids was a girl named Saera who was a bit wild and got caught sleeping around and was disowned by her father the King and sent off to Oldtown to become a silent sister. She escaped across the narrow sea and went to a pleasure house in Lys. Apparently she is Hugh’s mom, he would be cousin to Viserys, Rhaneys and Daemon.
Can we stop doubting my boy Jace? He's literally one of the best members of the Blacks. He's right over & over again. Rhae is being stupid when it comes to Daemon. I get it, he's being prideful. But for the Kingdom's sake she shouldn't have argued with him & chased him off. Caraxes is the second most battle seasoned Dragon behind Vhagar. YES more so than the Bronze Fury who was ridden by a pacifist. (Yes I know King J had his tough side. But his entire reign is defined by the 60 years of peace he brought.) Jace doesn't trust these randoms because their allegiance isn't proven yet. Huge is likely to be more loyal to his wife than Rhae. And Ulf.. we literally know nothing of his personal life other than he has some drinking buddies. At least Adsam has a brother who is super loyal to Coryls & Addam himself seeks approval from his distant Dad. There's good reliable allegiance there. They got lucky Seasmoke made a good choice. But Huge & Ulf are unknowns. Huge's daughter died, he knocked a dude out to get food. That dude probably had family too! So Huge is willing to get dirty to get what he wants for his people. That's dangerous when he rides the second biggest fucking dragon in the world! And again who the hell even is Ulf at this point? He don't know him or his allegiance well at all. Sure, Jace calling them all mongrels doesn't sit well. Poor choice of words but his concerns are beyond valid. And I haven't even touched on the whole him being a bastard & being worried about these other bastards having stronger claims now that they have dragon's too. And bigger Dragon's.
Jace dragon small now she’s giving big dragons to randoms he’s worried of his claiming the throne in the future if there are bastards with bigger dragons
Hugh is the son of Princess Saera Targaryen. She was expelled from the Court for being too libertine and became a prostitute in Lys. She was the daughter of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen, making her Daemon and Viserys' aunt.
The dragons have the riders' personality. Vermithor and Hugh Hammer are mad. Ulf White is a playful drinker, and Silver Wing is exactly like him, playful. I love it.
The lady in the red cloak disseminating the invitation to the dragonseeds in King's Landing, the message that Mysaria gave to Alyn to give to her, is Rhaenyra's trusted lady in waiting, Lady Elinda Massey.
According to the lore as I recall Hugh's mother Saera Targaryen sister of Baelon Targaryen, Visery's and Daemon's father. She was "Free Spirited" and King Jaehaerys an the family disowned her, she was not a bastard (given this episodes theme). Vermithor is fierce and so must be his rider.
Silverwing is actually like one of those very sheltered girls that falls for the first man that comes along. You gotta think, she has been in that cave with nobody but Vermithor company for 40 years She was just happy to have company
I can easily see High Hammer becoming a fan favorite. He got the biggest Team Black dragon. The Bronze Fury having been the dragon of Jahaerys The Conciliator is really fascinating too.
You guys really like Rhaenyra to be tyrant? 😂 What you mean she should slap that dragon trainer, arrest him or wanting to put Jace on his place? Jace is literally right and that guy too. They serve House Targaryen and bonding with dragons is sacred thing for them. And it's not like giving power to lowborns is good idea. It can really got to common peoples heads and they are right who questioned her decision
The ‘sneaky’ music is one of Rhaenyra’s themes (it first showed when she came back covered in the boar’s blood, and was also shown when she decides on the drastic course of action of faking Laenor’s death and marrying Daemon)
24:10-24:40 I think the nervousness is partly because normally the dragon tenders handle the "introductions" This will be Rhaenyra's first time introducing a dragon to a prospective rider without the Order.
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Jace has a reason to be concerned he is a bastard but no one questions it because he has a dragon but if any bastard can get one what real claim does he have.
i totally understand his struggle but it kinda seems hypocrite of him since this whole dragon seed thing was his idea, granted he never said that they should pick the bastards for dragon riders but it was a possibility since they were coming for anyone with targaryen blood
@@julia2802 Jace idea was to find high born riders from noble houses who have claims elsewhere but still have the blood not low born bastards who have an actual claim to the throne.
@@julia2802 he suggested to find riders from noble houses that have targaryen blood and who don't have a claim to the throne and not some random bastards from king's landing who can betray them anytime.
Targaryen bastards have a claim to the throne. High born lords who have a distant Targaryen relative they have no claim because they aren’t Targaryens just have the blood.
It also doesn't help that he doesn't have silver hair and his dragon is small
It’s like Silverwing saw Ulf and went “well if Vermithor let you in you must be cool. Wanna play?”
Yeah, after you just stepped on my baby 😂
She's my new favorite🥰
In the books silverwing was the friendliest and most gentle dragon
@@jewiesnew3786he stepped on the clutch, which holds the eggs, didn’t step on an actual egg
@@IslaJolene Best head shape lol. Those horn designs are cool.
Silverwing was literally like "this is the first human l've seen in ages, he'll do" LMAOO with a couple little playful nose boops. she's like "he's smol and pathetic and boopable" I loved it.
Ulf gets a dragon and immediately starts doing wheelies in the neighbors yard!
It worked perfectly though cause he brought Aemond out to see what team black did.
Jaces entire legitimacy rests on his dragon. He's understandably upset
Not only that, the plan itself is stupid. Having Addam claiming Seasmoke would be enough to fight for her claim together with Daemon; but no... Rhaenyra wants to fell powerful like Visenya and feared like daemon. She is letting her ego get the best of her, something that her father for all his flaws never allowed it to dictate his actions.
AS viserys said; Dragons are something men should never have trifled with, and now to give these nuclear beasts to a bunch of random people? That's a dumbbbb idea
@@GustavoCardoso95Perfectly said, Jace is 100% right to be upset. Giving The Second largest dragon, and the fourth largest(I don’t know how big sheepsteeler is, but I know that cannibal is the third largest) away is just stupid.
I’m calling it that Aemond is going to lock up Hugh’s wife, and force Hugh to fight for the greens if he wants to save her life.
@@Eagle09-nv5xdthat would change his arc of a betrayer, most likely she is gonna go to tumbleton to her brother like she said she would and Hugh is gonna sack it without realizing she is there
You know what else his legitimacy rests on? Surviving the war. And winning it. Any worries about legitimacy are meaningless if they can't win and survive the war, and they won't be able to without the dragonseeds. Even if Daemon joined back with them, it would only improve their odds by a margin but not guarantee a victory.
Sunfyre will recover long before the Black's smaller dragons grow up, and if Aemond managed to get Helaena to fight it is going to be a wrap. Dreamfyre is big. Time is not on the side of the Blacks.
@@GustavoCardoso95:
It's never "enough" when you're fighting against other dragons, including the largest dragon of all. It is a poor plan for many reasons, but that's not one of them; the rest of your comment is correct, though, and does identify the actual reasons why the plan is bad.
I get where Jace is coming from 'cause he's like "Targaryens are known for being blond and controlling dragons. I'm not blond, and now you're kind of saying anyone can have dragons. How will anyone take me seriously as king once you're dead." It also makes sense for him to be a self-hating bastard, given he's basically been told to lie to himself about who is father is his whole life.
Rhaenyra was my favourite character but at this point in the story she is becoming so stupid and self centered. The truth is that she wants to feel powerful like Visenya; if she just reached out to daemon and made peace with him that would be enough to kill Vhaegar. Seasmoke and Caraxes together? It's a wrap.
She got manipulated big time by Mysaria and is making enemies in her own family and council. It seems like Visery's lessons didn't imprint on her
black haired dragon riders exist tho, he's just being a cry baby
@@anonymous-bb2dw He's not literally talking about the color of the hair lol the other bastards now have the biggest dragons and arguably a better power claim than Rhaenyra. She fucked up by putting random commonfolk on those dragons, it was a very very stupid idea and I bet it will ruin her claim later on
@@anonymous-bb2dw Who? In the books Rhaenys has dark hair, but that just proves my point- she was passed over for Queen. At this point in history, if you want to be King/Queen, you need the Targaryen Traits (Golden hair, a dragon, in the books purple eyes), and Jace realizes that when he inherits people will question his legitimacy at every turn, all he has is a dragon, and he needs that to remain unique to him.
@@GustavoCardoso95 that's exactly what he said tho?
I feel like so many people watching the scene between Jace and Rhaenyra miss the point Jace was trying to make and then hate on him. He was right tho, what if those new riders just decide to switch up on them and want to have their own claim to the throne? What if Rhaenyra dies, Jace is her heir, will those men in her council and the rest of the realm that are loyal to Rhaenyra wanna fight for him?
Those bastards look more Targaryen like than Jace and who is to say that the realm won't change their loyalty because of that.
Let's not forget the fact that they now got dragons that are way larger than Jace's own, he would have no chance against them
Absolutely... Jace is right. Rhaenyra is putting her house at stake just to feel powerful in the short term. Such a bad decision
Jace is not wrong to be worried about his legitimacy. But he is wrong for trying to stop the plan.
Because without the plan, they won't survive this. And if they don't survive it, then what the fuck is the point of worrying about legitimacy?
Without the dragonseeds they won't even have a future for him to be worried over. He is putting the carriage ahead of the horses.
@@naosou921 Except they should've continued JACE'S fucking plan! Finding loyal highborn people that had enough Targ blood to claim a Dragon but no real legit claim to the throne! Addam at least has pretty solid loyalties to the Blacks since he wants his Dad's approval & his brother who he loves is fighting for the Blacks. They should've recalled Rhaena & had her try with Big V or Silverwing. CLEARLY Laenor was still alive out there when Rhaena tried with Seasmoke which is why she was refused. But in episode 3 they made a big point to showcase Seasmoke being very upset & restless. That is because somewhere out there Laenor died. Seasmoke felt it & get upset then found a rider that reminded him of Laenor.
Rhaena tried claiming a dragon who was already claimed. But Big V & Sliverwing weren't & she should've been allowed to try again with them. She's get guaranteed loyalty & would be a valuable rider. Not these random's who grew up poor & never knew power like riding a dragon.
@@jacob41057 There aren't any more highborn fucking people. This is only 130 years after the conquest.
Most of the targaryans married among themselves before Jaehaerys changed that, and even then, half of his kids didn't have kids and the ones that did mostly married each other.
You are acting as if people with targ descendancy are a dime a dozen at the supermarket. Rhaenyra spend days pouring over scrolls to find ONE guy, and he failed. And that is not mentioning the fact that even if she does find someone, they have to be on her side of the war.
Here, let me put names and numbers to it for you: Jaehaerys had 13 kids, but only ended up having 4 official grandchildren: Daemon, Viserys, Aemma and Rhaenys. Aemma and Viserys married each other.
That is 2 fucking generations without a single highborn person outside of the family having the blood.
The number of people is demonstrably low and be proven mathematically and the odds of success aren't higher either. And lastly, even if you do manage to find someone, good luck convincing them to drop their cushy noble life and risk themselves against a dragon to try and claim it.
I have no idea why you and so many people are acting like highborn people with targ blood are easy to find at this point in history. This isn't Game of Thrones era.
@@naosou921 it's a bad idea. He's right
Silver wing is just a nice dragon she likes people
Shes a cutie
She really is just like her good queen Alysanne... Just nice and cute and wholesome!
Silverwing was probably thinking if he got passed Vermithor, then this human must be okay. She is probably lonely and yearns to have a human companion again
In the books she’s the most “social” dragon and has shown to be friendly toward non dragon riders
@@CollideFan1 I really think that's what it is in the end. Her and Vermithor are a mated pair and she sleeps next to eggs that are hers and Vermithor's... So that was a nod to that direction for book fans.
I kept making jokes with my gf that vermithor and Vhagar were grandparents and vermithor was like “Rhaenyra is that you! Hhhhhhoooooghieeeee I haven’t seen you since Jahaerys took you on his lap for ride with me ! How you been child! And you brought me dinner ? This is why you the queen”
I snorted. Thanks for that 😂
Well... I mean technically Silverwing is just two years younger then Vermithor so what is she then? Grandaunt?
@@xZFeroxZxIf you look it up Vermithor and Silverwing are life long companions because their previous riders were the king and queen. Balerion was the biggest before Vhagar but died before the show started
@@raygeneenglish9484 yeah I know all this, I was just leaning into the joke...
😂😂😂😂😂
Elinda is working HARD on Kings Landing for her Queen 💁🏼♀️👑🖤
Elinda might be the mvp
Vermithor the Bronze Fury (96years old) and Silverwing the Calm (94 years old)...
They both are a mated pair btw! As we're their previous riders king Jaehaerys and Good Queen Alysanne! XD
Also remember in the beginning of the season as Cregan Stark talked about a dragon not crossing the wall? Silverwing was that dragon who refused Alysanne's command to fly over the wall!
Wait, so you're telling that they had Silverwing THE CALM, but decided "nah, too easy, let's start with the BRONZE FURY first". No wonder it all went downhill
@@korall869 they're a mated pair. Good luck trying to get past Vermithor first.
The assumed reason why Silverwing accepted Ulf was because she smelled the Vermithor on him because he got pushed off by the bronze fury. Silverwing probably thought that he was approved by Vermithor...
That’s really cool to know. I thought her was much younger.
The dynamics into their place makes more sense now. Vermithor stands near the entrance while her stands back there guarding the eggs.
But knowing that Hugh it’s going to switch sides, I hope Vermithor don’t get forced to attempt kill Silverwing 😢
This was my favourite episode so far!
So many wallpaper worthy moments :'D
Alicent is like: “Fuck it, I'm going on vacation because I'm fed up” 😂
Alicent in the woods like "I'm not like those other girls, I don't like drama"
Well, that is natural, from the Queen of pick me😂😂
I didn't even notice her guard was Garp
@@RhaenyraT2001She didn’t even want to be queen lol
Alicent: I'm leaving before the dragons get here
Jace is bringing up a good point. If any bastard can claim a dragon then any with a dragon or the will to fight can be king
i support Jace here... if any can claim a dragon, who's to say these people wont challenge him or Rhaenyra after they win.
Remember Daemon said - " Dreams didn't make us kings, dragons did. "
And that's what's going to happen, Hugh will betray Rhaenyra and go to the greens.
But without the dragons they will lose the war and die. Which problem do you think is the most critical?
Troublesome vassals in the future or losing the war and dying?
Dragon Keepers are completely in their right to be angry. Dragons are the biggest treasure of House Targaryen, some of the last remnants of Valyria's magic, and as the result of this war, they eventually died out.
But the dragonseeds didn't cause the war. And Rhaenyra was short on combat-capable dragons at this point.
Hugh immediately validates what Jace was telling his mother. “If I claim a dragon they’ll name you a lady” and they’ll then want more, when they have that power and see what they could do
I mean, he isn't wrong. If he gets a dragon, they will have to make him a lord. That is just common sense to appease and reward a strong and useful war resource like a dragon rider, it is not "greed".
That last shot of Rhaenyra with the dragons reminds me so much of Daenerys with her 3 dragons
There was 4, Seasmoke was flying around too, but yeah, got the same feeling :)
Ulf got lucky. Silverwing was said to be the most docile dragon. She was queen alysannes dragon & you can even call her Vermithors girlfriend lol. They spent alot of time together because vermithor was king jahaerys dragon. Those are the two dragons who flew to the wall that Cregan stark mentioned in the first episode. Silverwing probably flew straight to kings landings on her first ride with Ulf since that’s what she was always used to being the queens dragon. Like hey guys I’m back ! Lol
Jayc concern is it is well known he is a bastard. So if some other Targaryen bastard comes along with Silver hair and purple eyes to challenge him he worried they will be supported. Its not an unfounded fear. This all started with a female heir and the obviously bastard children she bore
That ending tho! DRAGOOOOONS
But this is a departure from the book. There this was all Jace's idea. Rhaenyra and Mysaria had nothing to do with it.
@@havok6280but I think Jace had this fear in the books though . Having a dragon is what makes him feel legit
@@havok6280 we all gotta stop with the book stuff. It would be one thing is written like GOT but its written as a historical presentation by maesters. Bias ones at that. The one failing Im willing to cop to is when they remove characters completely. Thats something i wont bite back on but the in the books argument isnt strong for this one
@@havok6280 I guess 99 percent of book readers forgot that its unreliable information... guess you should read it again
Jace is smarter than Rhaenyra. She is making all the bad decisions only to fell powerful and it's gonna cost her in the future
I think many people are misunderstanding Jace. He's worried that when Rhaenyra dies, him being heir will be questioned for being a bastard. His only proof of being a pure Targaryen was being a dragonlord. Now that people are aware that even lowborns can be dragonriders, his Targaryen status is now "ruined". He is a dick yeah, but his pain is not out of nowhere.
Hugh Hanmer the one who claimed Vermithor his mother was Princess Saera Targaryen. She was a rather free girl and slept with many men her father King Jaeharys sent her to be a septa but she escaped and went to lys were she worked in a brothel.
That crushed Jaeharys he stopped claiming her as his daughter.. Can’t lie because of her is one of my favorite parts of the book when Jaeharys at 49 fought the stinger and killed him while he made sure she watched
@@2300nobody it’s crazy how Jaeharys refused to let her claim a dragon but her bastard son Claimed his dragon.
@@mikaylagore1174 in fairness she gave Jaeharys his most grief.. She definitely seemed like an evil child from the same cloth as Joffrey and Ramsey.. Jaeharys and Alysanne really did the best the could with her
@@2300nobody I just find it ironic that his mother was refused a dragon by Jaeharys but then her basterd son claimed his dragon.
@@mikaylagore1174 her on dragon woulda been a bad bad thing.. She already wanted 3 husband since Maegor had 3 wives 😂😂😂 that alone proved she should never be anywhere near a dragon 😂😂 Her son seemed like a good man
Jacaerys protecting his insecurities onto the dragonseeds is PAINFUL. Him saying mongrels, baseborn, etc. so forcefully, I'm like...damn, you got that hurled at you a lot huh? 😢
Oscar Tully the real MVP of the episode. Boy has balls.
He was so awkward and timid the first time he met Daemon. But it was his time to be a leader he really stepped up. I do wonder how much of that was knowing that his people outnumbered Daemon in that moment, though, and thinking that they'd protect him if Daemon got upset enough to try and kill him.
Redefining the term "Family BBQ" 🔥
The last riders of Vermithor and Silverwing were King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne, so now their two grandsons - Hugh and Ulf, respectively - have been chosen by the dragons as their new riders. A refresher for anyone who's confused by the family wreath, Hugh's mother is probably the princess Saera Targaryen, so he is Daemon's cousin, and Ulf's father is (supposedly) Baelor Targaryen, making him Daemon's half-brother.
The dragonkeepers are basically like monks when it comes to the dragons. To them, Rhaenyra is defiling their gods. They are very devoted to them.
When the bastards tried to flee, Rhaenyra blocked them with her guards, so she killed them all to get a dragon. It's actually murder because the second they try to escape the deal is off, don't block them from escaping.
Oscar knows he has Daemon by the balls and he can't do a thing about it. He's far smarter than what he let on the first time we were introduced to him
Oscar was also playing it up earlier this season to show Daemon that he was a weak person so when they meet again he could show Daemon that he is actually powerful and not that weak boy he met earlier.
Huge's mother is probably Princess Saera Targeryen. Daughter of King Jaehaerys. She did run away and become a prostitute and did have sons according to fire and blood. The old king regretted how he treated Saera when he was on his death bed. Ironic if Saera's child is the one to claim her father's dragon considering her father basically wrote her off and disinherited her.
"how he treated her" Bro, what.
Jaehaerys was extremely softhearted with her and gave her preferential treatment, even when she made a colossal fuck up he still was going to let her go with a slap on the wrist.
She was known to harass and torment servants even as a child and would play around with men, teasing them and making them fight each other.
She would coerce her noble handmaidens into having sex with men for her entertainemtn and it even resulted in them getting pregnant.
She was caught with 3 different knights and admitted to sleeping with all of them.
Her punishment for all this? She was simply going to be sent to stay grounded with her sister who was a septa, temporarily.
Did she take the very light punishment and accept her guilt? No. She tried to steal a dragon egg and escape, which caused the old king to get so angry that he sentenced all her lovers, who were guilty of a crime, and even ended up killing one of them in a trial by combat that the knight demanded.
After that, he finally gave up on her and declared she would join the fate to pay for her actions, but she escaped to Lys to become a courtesan and had a bunch of bastards, that she would send to Kings Landing as a mockery.
I don't understand how people don't see the logic in Jace's concerns. Rhaenyra is right that without the dragons they will lose, but the way that she's doing it will set Jace up for deja vu. Except this time he'll be Rhaenyra, trying to prove his claim and Rhaenyra will be Viserys, steadfast in her desire for him to be heir but working against him in a roundabout way
Also very fucked up to block the exits during the sowing
How are people so utterly blind to Jace's reasoning?!
He is absolutely correct. The *only* thing that elevates him and his brother above the accusations of bastardy is dragons. The *only* thing that elevates the Targaryens above other nobles is dragons. Lose that privilege and not only Rhaenyra's inheritance is thrown into utter jeopardy, but the throne itself is threatened.
Giving dragons to other families is extremely dangerous, which is why it is essentially never done. Giving dragons to the baseborn is perilous to the extreme. They have no inherent loyalty to anyone. They have no sense of duty and honor that, successfully or not, is bred and taught to the nobles since birth. Most importantly of all, they have no use for the whole institution. And you give them nukes. You give them the very thing that will allow them to overthrow the institution.
Jace is stating the truth - the plan is risky to the point of being insane.
"You can't just leave the room". So what is she supposed to do? Stand before a dragon who is certain to kill at least some of the people before him and die with them?
Silverwing is actually known to be one of the more docile/friendly dragons. I think she was just happy someone showed up for once, or she thought one of her babies hatched. I like to think all this time she’s been trying to hatch a human and shes like “Oh shit, it worked!”
26:30 "No fire yet." Vermi: "Yeah, let me fix that."
Vermi Wyrmy
Saera Targaryen is Hugh Hammer’s mother, she’s the daughter of old King Jahaerys.
i understand that many people are "bored" by Daemon's plot, but in the books it is not really explained why he is in Harrenhall for so long, personally I love what they have done with his character this season, he is atoning for his sins and facing his dark part, has finally awakened from his "sleep" or "journey" The Rogue Prince returns stronger than ever 🔥🖤
I think Daemon plot is fine and it’s very asoiaf but I think the main problem is this whole season is slow and it wouldn’t really matter if it didn’t just have 8 episodes
And personally they don’t show Rhaenyra ruthless side even tho it was hinted last season
@@brettthebest3978 she literally just forced those bastards to die in the dragon pit after many tried to flee, I get you want "book" Rhaenyra but you have to understand that its unreliable information that purposely paints both sides as more evil than they actually are.
@@lotus2001 mate I haven’t even read the book but I’m talking about the last shot of season 1 then this season it start of her grieving (rightfully so) but then she immediately try to sue for peace even tho your son got killed like I thought the flood gates are broken this is war but everything is in a kinda slow pace even tho it should be the complete opposite
Overall I like this season but it feels like a bridge between last and next season than being it’s own
If you like Daemon’s plot then you should watch CW. They completely destroyed his character and made him pathetic
@@greendragon4870 I guess you don’t like character development and inspections
You really shouldn’t read asoiaf books bc majority of it is dreams and hallucinations also stay clear of the silent hill games bc you will hate that too
Last time we saw that little girl, she was blue. Ain't enough milk of the poppy fixing that
Vermithor said "He, He, He. You brought me some snacks?" 😂
Vermithor: I love to barbecue!
the way Aemond tells Vhagar "shit, let's go back" when he sees Rhaenyra with the other three dragons? pure satisfaction, Rhaenyra my Queen, you are the best 🖤🔥
she brought the avengers aemond cant 1v50 this shit
@@Darklotszyeah, he can only sneak attack😂
Lmao, the best at awful ideas and plans. Surely these guys won’t betray her. 🥴
@@RhaenyraT2001 sneak attack shows how fk smart he is no need to put up a fight just outsmart em and THEY couldnt not do the same to aemond cause he knew it was a trap
@@RhaenyraT2001He didn’t sneak attack Luke did he? Just rode him down🤣🤣
Oscar Tully: Bravest kid in the 7 Kingdoms.
Hugh’s mother was Saera, the daughter of King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne.
"The moment Rhaenyra touched Vermithor, she found her ancestors closer than ever. Reminded her of a strength she always had but was hidden. The dragon, a living evidence of the Targaryen legacy, and through that touch, she paid tribute to her blood, the VALIANT kings, her ancestors"
"At that moment, she closed her eyes as she promised that she would fight for the Targaryen legacy and RIGHTEOUSNESS"
ALL HAIL THE BLACK QUEEN🖤
11:40 Willem blackwood is the guy daemon just beheaded. Y’all remember in the first season when rhaenyra was looking for suitors to marry and the lil blackwood kid killed the bracken guy that’s ole boy 😂
The first one: Vermithor, the second largest in the world, first ridden by King Jaehaerys the first. Vermithor was an extremely fierce dragon that fought along caraxes and vhagar during the Fourth dornish war. Its looks along with its attitude gave it the nickname "The Bronze Fury".
The second one: Silverwing, ridden by Queen Alysanne. This silver dragon was partnered with Vermithor and they often cuddled in the dragonpit. She was another dragon that was quite large, but not as large as Vhagar or Vermithor.
I watched the BTS for this episode. They said the tree's face at Harenhall is George Martin. Showed them working on it then showing it to Martin.
That opening scene reminded of “Hey What is your Name” ……. “Ezekiel”…. “F-U Ezekiel”
That was 100% what the dragons were saying to each other and no one can tell me otherwise!
exactly what played in my head
Fun fact- vermithor was ridden by king jaehaerys (the old king in ep 1) and he is Hugh’s grandad so vermithor could probably tell he was family
“I never knew my father” I quoted this while watching as well 😂
They did such an amazing job with the look of the dragons and how real the look
U guys clearly dont understand the major consequences of what Rhaenyra has done and how Jace is completely justified with his argument. Rhaenyra in order to get the throne must make the most devastating sacrifice to the system itself. If all dragons can be claimed by anybody than the illusion of the Targaryen power and dynasty goes away n that itself destroys the monarchy to which rhaenyra and jace have their only power from.
The class system of the entire society of westeros will be gone thanks to rt actions that could future destroy the realm more than the civil war that is happening now. I get why Rhaenyra is doing what she is doing but the long game is in play n like usual Rt is not thinking about how this shakes the entirety of house targaryen.
A great episode.
Giving dragons to lowborns with Targaryen look is such a dangerous decision, they can literally one day just decided to usurp the throne themselves and betray Rhaenyra. Jace as a legitimate heir would not be sufficient from this point. Jace idea was to seek for highborn with Targaryen blood, as they were sworn to the Realm with oaths to be uphold, compared to lowborn they can just flip the switch out of nowhere and causes uprising to the throne as they have nothing to lose.
Jace has every right to be upset because Rhaenyra doesn't see the magnitude of the problem, she never thinks about in the long term and the possible consequences if her decisions or plans don't work. By doing that the house Targaryen loses prestige and superiority if anyone can ride a dragon, since they have the reputation of being untouchable and being the only ones capable of owning dragons and with this type of moves they lose all kinds of credibility, also they are unrecognized bastards and doing this gives them rights that they shouldn't, so there can be a big problem with the succession as any bastard will want to claim his position and then they will want to take his throne, then it would be more difficult than it already is for Jace to claim his succession if it happens.
Jace is absolutely right to critize this plan XD Putting commonfolk on those dragons is very stupid idea and I bet it will backfire on them.
Im just repeating what i heard someone else say so it could be true or not. But apparently Silverwing is supposedly the friendliest dragon. She was just playing with Ulf and he didnt crush a egg he destroyed the outer casing they come in. So she was just booping him and then smelled him and that was good enough for her.,
It was Jaces idea but only for highborns. Yes he’s entitled to it. That’s the whole point of royalty and the aristocracy. They’re supposed to be special. He may be a bastard, but a highborn on both sides so…
I feel bad for Jace. What Jace feared will exactly happen. Bastards with bigger dragons will betray Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra is being played by Myseria. She is destroying her children's future.
Silverwing is one of ✨those girls✨ who picks up ratchet, yappy stray dogs, puts a bow on them and names them Cupcake.
So the mother of Hugh is Saera Targaryan.
In season 1, Lyonel Strong said to Viserys that Jaehaerys's daughters drove him crazy, and it is particulary the case for Saera.
She often made cruel jokes around her and took advantage of her status as a princess to have immunity from all the stupid things they did. She was extremely beautiful and loved having people at her feet. She was manipulative and arrogant.
Growing up, she is caught in a sordid affair and her father learns that she and her high-born friends had sexual relations with a half-thug squire, at her initiative. Jaehaerys will realize with horror that in reality, Saera slept with 3 other boys.
Faced with the young girl's distrust, Jaehaerys will send her to Vieilleville so that she can enter the Sisters of Silence, far from luxury and her condition as a princess in the hope of obtaining repentance from her, but Saera 'will flee by pushing a Septa down the stairs, breaking her hip. She will flee across the strait, selling her body for the passage, then working in a pleasure house in Lys before ending up managing it. Jaehaerys disowned her.
In the books, several of his bastard children showed up at the great council of 101 in hopes of claiming the crown that fell to Viserys.
According to the series, it seems that Hugh Marteau is one of Saera Targaryen's bastards
You forgot to say taht she would also coerce her handmaidens into having sex with men for her entertainment, even causing some of them to get pregnant.
She also tried to steal a dragon egg after she was caught and learned of her punishment.
32:56 Rhaenyra's like, "Come on ONE EYE, I dare ya!!" 😂
Ryan Condal said in the featurette after the episode (or maybe it was the director of this ep) that it was Emma's suggestion to have Rhaenyra moving through those potential dragonseeds as she delivered her monologue. It was written up for her to be stationary. Brilliant improv on her part.
I could listen to Emma talk all day.
@@sproductionsinc
I love listening to her speak Valeryian!
The language has evolved in the shows I believe they have perfected it since Dany/Emelia Clarke.
Emma speaks it way better, but Im not throwing shade at Emelia
This is implying that Hugh's mum is Saera, Viserys and Rhaenys aunt, who was banished by Jaehaerys for having a bit too much premarital fun. She became famous in the brothels of Lys and Volantis and fun fact, in the books her sons directly challenge Viserys and Rhaenys for the crown lol
The princess in the pleasure house - that’s Hugh’s mom
Jahaerys daughter
"Just 2" you underestimate the bronze fury and his silver queen
Why you guys always side with Rhaenyra? Wtf!? Jace was right in his pov. If you stop mocking, trying to say something in every scene and watch it really, you might understand. Even in the dragonkeepers scene. Dragonkeepers was right!
Thats the problem, they think they rooting for the "good guys" even thou almost everybody is corrupt and cruel no matter which side 😅 and when one of the "good guys" does something crazy they immediatly hate him/her or are very disappointed 😂
Cant wait for S3
Sea smoke just in the background like a cat that brought home a mouse 😂 all proud 😂
The dragon got his own rider
Ulf is like the guy who gets a new range rover and has to go show off to the boys even though all the papers haven't been sorted out yet
To be fair, I don't think he had much control yet. And considering how close they are from Dragonstone to King's Landing I think the dragon just thought it was going back to the dragon pit at the castle until they started shooting at her.
“Shits on her” I screamed 😂😂😂
@@GeorgeAlexander3110 not gonna lie I actually thought it was gonna happen. I was like her she is just trying to be calm and the writers were gonna be like AAAAAND BIRDSHIT
I was hoping a dragon would do it.
THAT MADE MY DAY TBH!! 😂😂😂
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I think the King's Guards we saw being sent to the Wall were Aegon's drinking buddies that were given that position, even though he shouldn't have.😊
They were... and I suspect they were being "blamed" simply because Aemond wanted to get rid of them. He wants no one loyal to Aegon to be around.
King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne had a ton of kids…one of those kids was a girl named Saera who was a bit wild and got caught sleeping around and was disowned by her father the King and sent off to Oldtown to become a silent sister. She escaped across the narrow sea and went to a pleasure house in Lys. Apparently she is Hugh’s mom, he would be cousin to Viserys, Rhaneys and Daemon.
Can we stop doubting my boy Jace? He's literally one of the best members of the Blacks. He's right over & over again. Rhae is being stupid when it comes to Daemon. I get it, he's being prideful. But for the Kingdom's sake she shouldn't have argued with him & chased him off. Caraxes is the second most battle seasoned Dragon behind Vhagar. YES more so than the Bronze Fury who was ridden by a pacifist. (Yes I know King J had his tough side. But his entire reign is defined by the 60 years of peace he brought.)
Jace doesn't trust these randoms because their allegiance isn't proven yet. Huge is likely to be more loyal to his wife than Rhae. And Ulf.. we literally know nothing of his personal life other than he has some drinking buddies. At least Adsam has a brother who is super loyal to Coryls & Addam himself seeks approval from his distant Dad. There's good reliable allegiance there. They got lucky Seasmoke made a good choice. But Huge & Ulf are unknowns. Huge's daughter died, he knocked a dude out to get food. That dude probably had family too! So Huge is willing to get dirty to get what he wants for his people. That's dangerous when he rides the second biggest fucking dragon in the world! And again who the hell even is Ulf at this point? He don't know him or his allegiance well at all.
Sure, Jace calling them all mongrels doesn't sit well. Poor choice of words but his concerns are beyond valid. And I haven't even touched on the whole him being a bastard & being worried about these other bastards having stronger claims now that they have dragon's too. And bigger Dragon's.
Why does a Targaryen rule Westeros? Dragons. Who now has dragons? Peasants. Why be a lord when you can be a king.
Bridget and her love for the dragons is so adorable. I feel the same way. Everyone one comes on I’m like “hey lil kitty! Come here and get petted!”
16:33 That «It’s mine, I want it!» was SUCH A GOOD representation of Rhaenyra, thanks!
Silverwing saw Ulf and was like PLAY WITH ME
“Single file, to your death” lol that sent me
Alicent is taking a mental health day.
15:39 That's Garp from One Piece, Luffy's grandpa
Glad they killed off Willem.. The Lads will be fan favorites.. Little Oscar checked the shit out of Daemon lol
Jace dragon small now she’s giving big dragons to randoms he’s worried of his claiming the throne in the future if there are bastards with bigger dragons
Jace: "The proof is HAIR for all to see" 😅
Rhaenyra talking in High Valiryan got me like this: 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
I think their daughter was dead when the gates got closed on them
jace is right
Hugh is the son of Princess Saera Targaryen. She was expelled from the Court for being too libertine and became a prostitute in Lys. She was the daughter of King Jaehaerys I Targaryen, making her Daemon and Viserys' aunt.
The dragons have the riders' personality. Vermithor and Hugh Hammer are mad. Ulf White is a playful drinker, and Silver Wing is exactly like him, playful. I love it.
The Parallels of that last scene to the last scene of season one of Game of Thrones, with Deneris and her three dragons...🔥
This episode was fantastic but also gave me Jurassic Park vibes with all the murder, lol.
The lady in the red cloak disseminating the invitation to the dragonseeds in King's Landing, the message that Mysaria gave to Alyn to give to her, is Rhaenyra's trusted lady in waiting, Lady Elinda Massey.
Hugh got his grandfather's dragon.
Addam got his half-brother's dragon.
But Ulf got Silverwing, and doesn't seem to be in any way related to Alysanne.
Rhaenyra: What do you want?
Addam: Tell Seasmoke
According to the lore as I recall Hugh's mother Saera Targaryen sister of Baelon Targaryen, Visery's and Daemon's father. She was "Free Spirited" and King Jaehaerys an the family disowned her, she was not a bastard (given this episodes theme). Vermithor is fierce and so must be his rider.
Silverwing is actually like one of those very sheltered girls that falls for the first man that comes along. You gotta think, she has been in that cave with nobody but Vermithor company for 40 years She was just happy to have company
"The idea.....
that we control the Dragons...
is an ILLUSION."
I can easily see High Hammer becoming a fan favorite. He got the biggest Team Black dragon. The Bronze Fury having been the dragon of Jahaerys The Conciliator is really fascinating too.
He was also genuinely heroic. He was trying to save people in the pit.
I hope they don't make him like in the books. In the show he is a good man and understandable
*sees bird above Allicent*
"Shits on her" BRIDGETTE 🤣
You guys really like Rhaenyra to be tyrant? 😂 What you mean she should slap that dragon trainer, arrest him or wanting to put Jace on his place? Jace is literally right and that guy too. They serve House Targaryen and bonding with dragons is sacred thing for them. And it's not like giving power to lowborns is good idea. It can really got to common peoples heads and they are right who questioned her decision
The ‘sneaky’ music is one of Rhaenyra’s themes (it first showed when she came back covered in the boar’s blood, and was also shown when she decides on the drastic course of action of faking Laenor’s death and marrying Daemon)
24:10-24:40 I think the nervousness is partly because normally the dragon tenders handle the "introductions" This will be Rhaenyra's first time introducing a dragon to a prospective rider without the Order.
Also, Ulf’s dragon, Silverwing, is Syrax mother.
The GOOSEBUMPS I got throughout the whole Vermithor scene