This is why I like your videos. The rankings aren't just someone talking about gun stats and telling us what is meta. It's just your opinion with the addition of some information you don't normally come across. Keep it up, man.
Fun fact about the BAR that you didn’t mention, the damage range is extended if you use the gun in the slower rate of fire. This was a design choice from DICE to give the slower rate of fire an extra upside.
Seriously? I'll admit I didn't even know that, that's incredible! Looking into it, seems like it actually does get less per shot recoil and the Madsen's better ranged damage, at least according to one source I found. Sad that I couldn't even find this in research until I went looking for it, because it's a really cool feature!
@@professormemsclass Bit late of an answer, but that has unfortunately been removed. In one of the many TTK updates Dice pushed out, they flattened out the damage curve so that the fire modes are identical.
Another thing I have to point out about the the M1919A6 is that, unlike every other LMG/MMG, the bipod is FIXED IN PLACE, which means you don't have to go through the animation of deploying your bipod like every other LMG/MMG. That small thing is enough to save your life in a decent number of situations, whereas you'd die otherwise, especially with the other MMGs. So, yeah. not S Tier, but S PLUS tier.
I'm assuming you mean the Type 97, in which case it didn't have one because it was used specifically for mounts in tanks, with little use as an infantry weapon, also worth noting it's literally a Japanese copy of the czech ZB26, down to the 7.92mm caliber, but with some minor differences for use in tanks. The Type 96 and Type 99 LMGs which aren't in game did have a bayonets however, but those two are separate designs from the Type 97. WWII Japanese logistics was a nightmare as you can imagine.
Man, imagine if DICE would come back to BfV and continue adding content. It could be the best Battlefiled ever! This was a very good video man! I love it!
Glad you liked it, and yeah, I really wish they would come back to the game. The gun play and feel of the weapons is some of my favorite in any shooter, and seeing more WWII guns in this style would be lovely.
In COD, I find LMG's giving off the vibe of an assault rifle with a ridiculously extended mag. I like how the playing mechanics of BF V forces you to employ LMG's and MMG's in almost their real world intended role, and provides you with suitable high weapons to do such. Pity this wasn't a good entry from the start but sure has matured into a praiseworthy WW2 based arcade shooter.
Agreed, I hope the Battlefield Community as a whole can recognize that this game (despite it’s currently neglect by DICE) has become a great addition to the series.
As a Chauchat main, I feel validated :) Also a fun (and first in the series) feature for the BAR is that switching to slow fire changes the damage model to that akin of the Madsen. I find this to be a straight upgrade to single fire mode on most guns since single shots have increased damaged.
I just found your channel a few days ago, having watched your assault guns tier list and instantly found you entertaining and charismatic and I instantly subscribed. I fully expected you to be a big channel with several thousand subscribers based on how great you content is and I was shocked to find out you were still a small channel lmao. You absolutely deserve a larger audience and keep up the great work mate!
Totally agree on your description of the LS/26. I love these lists, its rare that people really get into the subjective reasons for enjoying weapons, instead of just focusing on stats. Keep it up!
Long live the Chauchat! Excellent and entertaining video on the Support's arsenal in BFV. I echo your feelings regarding the interplay between Support and Recon in V, and definitely miss the way suppression worked in BF1.
came here from the bf1 videos- ive played bf1 a lot but never played bfv but this has inspired me to check it out sometime. i love the way you talk about these weapons and the game. its clear you have a lot of love for this and a lot of passion.
mmgs in my opinion should be how every lmg is designed, lmg always suffer from being ARs with extended mag, but mmgs fix that entirely. its also kinda funny that if you think about it mmgs work the same as the mini guns from tf2 just with a added ads. which give em much needed depth
The MG42 & MG34 were by far my favorite MMGs when I played BFV a lot, I just went stupid mode with them and charged into gunfights Jin-Roh style and hozing an area down with nonstop hipfire.
So one thing about the MG-42 is if you want to make people real mad, use the rapid fire. Yeeeaaaah only 50 rounds is a pain, but running around at 1200 rounds a minute with that said 4 hit kill, unless a SHOTGUN 1 hit kills first you basically will win every close range engagement. And due to how the suppression works, you can essentially insta suppress with less than 10 rounds, which in term means in less than fraction of a second, you can insta spot everyone you’re shooting near
To add on: the first gun I got to level 10, and the first gun I have ever made fully gold. Either way works, wether you want belt and chrome for that suppression, and become a slug firing chainsaw that the rapid fire gives And have the rapid reload perk, which makes absolutely no sense but it decreases the reload time by a rather significant amount
I tend to use the BAR as a pseudo-assault rifle. The alternating fire rates combined with the ammo crate gadget make for an extremely aggressive support playstyle that can move up with the team and also survive solo, if needed. My biggest gripe is aesthetically, the chunky carry handle just detracts from an otherwise-cool design. I would have much preferred they didn’t use that model, especially since that was a post-war addition iirc.
I, like many people it would seem, was recommended your assault weapons video. I honestly love your style of content. So glad I found this gem of a channel and I hope you post more! ❤
The idea of a side/top mount magazine was to allow you lay prone while carrying more rounds. This was replaced by the belt, but it worked well for the time.
I love this content. It’s funny hearing you say that the m1 Mmg is was drawn you into bfv when you started a while ago, I remember when it came out this game can’t be that old!
This comment is quite late, but I've got to say, the MG-42 is one of my all time favorite guns in any shooter ever, period. The act of wielding it gives you the feeling of being an annihilation despenser, where the enemy teams are just an audience to the mayhem. It allows for multiple play styles that are each more deranged than the last. From point defence to bum rushing an objective while holding down the trigger, it has never dissapointed.
You see, for many nations, what is an Automatic rifle, can be fitted into the roles of a light machine gun. The Madsen is uses as the first LMG ever to exist, but its was design more in line with an automatic rifle, then the French Chauchat, then the KV-9 and that Finnish LMG, and of course the BAR, they are automatic rifles, uses as LMG.
The Type 11 is my favorite, it just has that damage and accuracy that makes it useful in most medium and short range engagements depending on what you up against.
I love using shotguns in games and what you've said about the shotguns in BFV pretty much echo's my sentiments. I tend to jump between the Drilling and the 12G with the buckshot path and flat out avoid the Model 37. But I'll need to give the Sjo... shogren... that one a go with the slugs. That looks like fun, haha.
The M30 is just... _really_ fucking fun to use, and even looking at it in action is a treat. It kicks almighty amounts of ass when used right, and _nobody_ will give you shit for using it, because they know damn well that it takes effort to use. The S2-200 is fucking weird. It's an MMG that really shouldn't be one, because it's actually _lighter_ than, say, the Lewis, while having a smaller magazine. I feel like the MG-42 and 34 should get bonus points for having unique barrel-changing animations in the event of an overheat. The Type 11's top-up reloads should have been standard, I don't get why it needs a specialisation. It only works on multiples of five, so it isn't really much of a balance problem.
I absolutely love the Lewis gun because in my opinion, it looks like a World War II M240 and also it has a three times scope, so I basically turn it into a auto sniper
The rifle round on the m30 Drilling has non-existent drop. When I played i set the range to the max length and didn't drop , maybe they changed it, maybe they didn't but still my go-to support shotgun.
M1922 is my bread butter gun. Shoots straight and it's a headshot machine Then I carry the MG42. Love for ammo capacity. But it's hell on opposing infantry close up. You rattle of 30-40 shots to some slug trying to melee you. You get to walk away and fight again. M1919A6 & VGO are backups and real good guns.
Just found your channel and I love your videos! It’s criminal that you don’t have more subs. Dry humour, varied opinions (i.e. not just putting the “meta” at S tier), and all around high effort content. Keep it up! I can’t wait to see the recon tier list :) Oh, and I’m a proud slider. I use the grease gun though, not the type 2a 😅
Normally you wouldn't hear anything abut SIG KE7 since it was a Swiss LMG that was used only in China during World War 2 but more in Second Sino-Japanese War which is tied with WWII S2-200 (or more widely know as MG30) was a Swiss Gun (again) produced for Hungary, Hungary adopted it as 31M and 43M - their differences are caliber and magazine capacity 25 rounds (8mm) and 30 rounds (7.92mm) LS-26 is a Finnish LMG but in reality it wasn't a good one, Finnish troops successfully replaced it with huge amount of captured DP-27 from Soviets during Winter and Continuation Wars People may say that most top-magazine LMGs are Bren copies but Bren is a modified copy of Czech ZB vz.26 LMG which is the mother of all top magazine LMGs and it was quite common during WWII (both in Europe and Asia)
Thanks for the info, I just liked using the Bren for reference since it's the most well known, and I even lampshaded why it was kind of dumb of me to compare top magazine LMGs to just the Bren.
I wouldn't say the ZB vz. 26 was the mother of all top magazine LMGs; the Madsen is a fairly well-known and quite effective design that's much older, dating back to 1902. The ZB vz. 26 was pushed into service in 1926. If you argue that the ZB vz. 26 was the main influencer for all interwar and WWII top mounted magazine LMGs, that I can definitely agree with. It spawned notable designs including the Japanese Type 97 and of course, the BREN. This is assuming you meant "mother" as in a starting point, not "mother" as in the quintessential example of that sort of design. The ZB vz. 26 did have massive influence so sorry if I misunderstood lol
@@TurtleButter Yes, I just meant it's more dominant. ZB vz.26 was very common (I'm including ZB vz.30). Germans used it, Slovaks used it, Romanians used it and locally produced, Yugoslavia imported them, China massively produced copies of it, even countries like Ethiopia or Iran used some of them.
I'm bummed that we didn't get the Japanese Type 96 or 99 lmgs in this game. Yeah, they look very similar to the Bren or Madsen, and the Type 11 is a much more unconventional and distinctive design, but Japanese lmgs from this era are just so interesting to me that I wish we got more of them.
Youre the first person that actually argues in favour of crouching MMGs and against the reduced impact of the suppression. And you know I can respect that.
BAR is my favourite weapon for the support, it is so versatile with the different RPM modes... if it would have a bigger magazine it would be the perfect weapon and quite frankly be OP af. About the MMGs, since DICE never fixed those goddamn bipods and they are super wonky till this date i absolutely hate them. ps. Love your more subjective tier list and humour!
I Hip-Fire scrubs with the MG-42 while blasting Perturbator and Carpenter Brut. It's a feeling like no other! MAWHWAHHWHAH (I watched "Jin Roh the Wolf Brigade" Once)
Heeyy a fellow Support main, love to see it. Though it may just be me going mental with the MMG’s, but I like to believe with absolutely no evidence that the S2-200 is a secret hipfire enhanced aim god with the light bolt. There’s just some kind of magic that happens to allow me to hit all my shots with no problem at the most absurd times. Also just want to throw out that after playing BFV the Drilling might just be one of my favorite shotguns of all time. It’s just way too fun to use and style on people.
I have to say this, I can’t keep this secret in me any more, the M30 Drilling with all 3 upgrades and the Model 27 on close range maps IS the G.O.A.T load out for the engineer class. Matter of fact (apart from the disgusting abomination of a monster that is the Type 2) the best close range load out to my knowledge.
you got the Trivia about the KE7's reload backwards. It's a closed bolt gun, but since it's made by the Swiss they decided it needed both an automatic bolt hold open, AND a feature that automatically drops the bolt when you insert a loaded magazine. After loading it for the first time, you'd never need to manually charge it unless there was a malfunction.
Not sure where you got your info, but from what I’ve seen, period sales brochures of the KE7 from SIG describe it as open bolt, and video demonstrations show it to be open bolt.
I love shotguns in battlefield 64 player matches. Irl I’m a shotgun guy I adore shotguns and love the versatility, but in gaming shotguns have a stigma of OP or dogshit. In bf 64 player matches you have to be very strategic and earn your kills makes me love the style.
I never really liked using sights on my guns I’m what you call a realism nerd I use faction similar weapons but the bar was the first weapon I put the sights on because those irons with that recoil is insane
Lately i've started apreciating KE-7 because of game known as Enlisted as it's one of probably 3 good techtree unlockable japanese lmg (other being japanese tank lmg with scope and aircraft 2 barreled lmg). I apreciate it because it's rather cool swiss lmg that is kinda weird BAR
So I noticed something when you made your Bren joke. That being that it does look shockingly alike a Bren (surprising i know) but because of who i am i decided to look into its relation to the Czech ZB V/B 26 light machine gun ( the gun the Bren was derived from) and found that it too was derived ( at least partially) from the ZB V/B 26, which makes a lot of since!
IIRC, you commented on the KE7 having that big ol charging knob but lamented there’s no charging animation; I recently watched Forgotten Weapon’s KE7 video. Turns out that even though it fires from an open bolt (not uncommon for LMGs), it does have a bolt lock-back that even disengages the trigger until a new mag is inserted. So one could fairly realistically go through an entire battle without having to charge the KE7. Did BF5 get this right on purpose? That seems more unlikely lol. But maybe?
So, the problem with the mg 34 double drum is that while yes, you do reload faster and shoot more without overheating, you go from 50 rounds of sustained fire to 75. How often do you really spray the whole mag without letting the gun cool? I prefer the longer belt, combined with the light bolt for a faster rate of fire. A bit worse in some ways to the mg 42, but mmgs are all so close to each other that it barely matters. Spot on with the 1922, that thing kicks teeth in
your videos are way too high quality for 200 subscribers man. I just found your content and currently binging all of your BFV videos during conquest queue
Could you make a written list of the s & a tiers with the name of the weapon? I just started playing and I can’t tell which gun is in each tier by their silhouette.
I'd put the Type 97 in D-tier simply because DICE chose to add it instead of the Type 99 or 96. It's emblematic of BFV's poor or just outright bizarre weapon choices for its WW2 setting.
Overly Patriotic Mediocrity Apologist is a fucking new one and I love it! For me my most used support weapon (when I played BFV anyway) was the 1919A6 simply for no other reason because it looked fucking awesome! A .30 caliber machine gun, with a shoulder stock, and some of the best recoil of the class?? Sign me the fuck up! I got really good at being aggressive with it on certain maps too
BFV is my favorite as WWII is my favorite part in history and the MG-42 is my most favorite weapon...I don't care if it's an MMG and I'll gladly sit in corners all game and defend the objective with this gun and I've gotten it gold plated
Hmm, I think since only two of the barrels are shotguns it would be more appropriate to call it a “combination gun” as that’s typically the name for guns that combine shotgun and rifle barrels in any amount.
Yeah something like that. It’s one of its kind to have both functions! The only other gun that also has a function to use different rounds in the same gun that I know of, is the LeMat Revolver is a cap & ball blackpowder gun made in 1855. It both functions as a 9 shot revolver, and a one shot shotgun with that big smooth bore barrel underneath. Either way enjoyed your video!
Dude, great content (not just this video, but many others). I really, truly want to love rocking the support class, but LMGs just seem so very mediocre (imo obv). Too weak at range, too slow up close. I know it’s likely me kinda sucking, but also I’m on console, which seems to def live up to its reputation of being tougher than m&k on pc when it comes to the LMGs. Tips? Like I said, I really want to have fun with support, but am mostly just really frustrated.
I understand why you would struggle with this class. Without the precision of mouse and keyboard it’s harder to take advantage of their stronger ranged features in bipods and 3x optics. Also I’m sure it makes slug shotguns quite less fun… Since I’m not on console I can’t offer too many tips, I suppose you should take hipfire reducing specializations where you can, and try to take advantage of good positioning to set yourself up in a solid place with a bipod, hopefully that will help with the handling, but of course standing still always comes with perils. I wouldn’t be surprised if MMGs were more fun than LMGs on console. Do you feel that way?
@@professormemsclass I’m gonna try n be realistic, & admit that although I love FPS games, I’m not the best. I used to rock a decent K/D in COD BO2, but I blow at Apex & my K/D in BFV is only over 1.0 cuz I am learning to play tanks in casual Conquest games, & tanks are obv OP. I’m still figuring out my sens setting for BFV, but at the moment, no lol I’m still sucking with MMGs as well. I think map knowledge (& just practice) are key for me. I was watching your b-roll for the Support video you put out, watching where on the maps you posted up & bipod-bagged the enemy team. I think learning map flow & rotations depending on game mode are gonna be what I gotta do. And. You know. Just get gud. That Maxim (Pom Pom!) joke in the video was goated, by the way.
That ke7 ranking is brutal lol, but i agree that its boring and i also never use it. I also never use MMGs because my overactive monkey brain wont let me sit in one spot for longer than 10 seconds. My favorite support weapon is by far the Bren. Its reliable at virtually any range, as well as looking, sounding, and feeling good to use.
I find it funny that the rifle round is equivalent to a normal bolt action caliber, when in reality, it was chambered at 9.3x74mm, by comparison the Mauser 7.92 shell is 7.92x57, mosin 7.62 is 7.62x54. I would think it would be safe to assume any person getting hit by that shell would probably hit the floor. I’m talking about the m30.
Right you are, in fact, it’s 9.3x74mmR ammunition was banned from use against enemy soldiers, but I think that’s mostly because it was a soft pointed bullet, so it would expand, which at this point was banned in warfare by the Hague Convention. It would have truly devastating effect in infantry use, but the M30 was ultimately an aircraft survival gun, along the lines of the US M6 rifle.
Madsen is pretty cool but I think Bren is better. Mag is too big on Madsen and covers half the screen. Lewis is also pretty bad imo. Specs are good on paper but it's extremely inaccurate unless you burst after 5 shots. Most support weapons are bad imo but outside of shotguns(almost all of them are good) FG42, Bren and Type 97 are pretty good imo, never used MMGs though because I don't want to be a sitting duck waiting to be taken by DMRs or snipers.
Bit of a late comment but the reason I've stopped using the MG42 is because it gets boring real quick. Its a meat grinder. Have your squad run a couple of these and hold down an objective real easy. The hipfire was great in the beginning and the fire rate while on a bipot is deadly even far. It got boring real quick.
watching these videos made me reinstall BFV again, and you know what? i think i treated this game too harshly, the game improved immensely over it's life and i have tons of fun playing it. some maps kinda blow but that's with every Battlefield game.
i know this is completely off topic but are there enough earnable cosmetics to grind for so i won’t be bored after buying the definitive edition? i only have like 10 hours played so i don’t know what assignments i’ll get later but what is there to earn after you’re given every weapon? might be a stupid question but im a cod guy so im used to camo and prestige grinding
There is plenty of stuff to earn between cosmetics and gun skins, even just with the common currency. Just browse around the shop and you’ll see stuff that you can get with them. Earning the currency is mostly linked to leveling up and doing the “tides of war” challenges.
@@professormemsclass i was hesitant to spend any currency on weapons because i wanted to save up for the ivory skin pack so i went ahead and bought the definitive because i don’t play much and im glad i did. some of these weapons feel like cheating compared to the starter guns and i hadn’t seen anything online about all the legendary melee wepaons
This is why I like your videos. The rankings aren't just someone talking about gun stats and telling us what is meta. It's just your opinion with the addition of some information you don't normally come across. Keep it up, man.
I’m so glad to hear that people are actually liking me doing it that way. Thank you.
I wish more tier lists were like this honestly
i also appreciate your knowledge of guns and appreciation of visuals. visuals are probably my number one reason for using any gun
Fun fact about the BAR that you didn’t mention, the damage range is extended if you use the gun in the slower rate of fire. This was a design choice from DICE to give the slower rate of fire an extra upside.
Seriously? I'll admit I didn't even know that, that's incredible! Looking into it, seems like it actually does get less per shot recoil and the Madsen's better ranged damage, at least according to one source I found. Sad that I couldn't even find this in research until I went looking for it, because it's a really cool feature!
@@professormemsclass Bit late of an answer, but that has unfortunately been removed.
In one of the many TTK updates Dice pushed out, they flattened out the damage curve so that the fire modes are identical.
Ah dang, I see
Another thing I have to point out about the the M1919A6 is that, unlike every other LMG/MMG, the bipod is FIXED IN PLACE, which means you don't have to go through the animation of deploying your bipod like every other LMG/MMG. That small thing is enough to save your life in a decent number of situations, whereas you'd die otherwise, especially with the other MMGs.
So, yeah. not S Tier, but S PLUS tier.
Thank you, fellow 1919A6 user.
The fact that the type 99 doesn't get a bayonet is criminal. Considering how the japanese loved putting them on all their guns.
I'm assuming you mean the Type 97, in which case it didn't have one because it was used specifically for mounts in tanks, with little use as an infantry weapon, also worth noting it's literally a Japanese copy of the czech ZB26, down to the 7.92mm caliber, but with some minor differences for use in tanks. The Type 96 and Type 99 LMGs which aren't in game did have a bayonets however, but those two are separate designs from the Type 97. WWII Japanese logistics was a nightmare as you can imagine.
Man, imagine if DICE would come back to BfV and continue adding content. It could be the best Battlefiled ever!
This was a very good video man! I love it!
Glad you liked it, and yeah, I really wish they would come back to the game. The gun play and feel of the weapons is some of my favorite in any shooter, and seeing more WWII guns in this style would be lovely.
@@professormemsclass, obsolutely
Most of those core devs are gone and at Embark Studios
I just want them to make rush a playlist again
it still feels like a crime that they didn't add the eastern front and the soviets
In COD, I find LMG's giving off the vibe of an assault rifle with a ridiculously extended mag. I like how the playing mechanics of BF V forces you to employ LMG's and MMG's in almost their real world intended role, and provides you with suitable high weapons to do such. Pity this wasn't a good entry from the start but sure has matured into a praiseworthy WW2 based arcade shooter.
Agreed, I hope the Battlefield Community as a whole can recognize that this game (despite it’s currently neglect by DICE) has become a great addition to the series.
As a Chauchat main, I feel validated :)
Also a fun (and first in the series) feature for the BAR is that switching to slow fire changes the damage model to that akin of the Madsen. I find this to be a straight upgrade to single fire mode on most guns since single shots have increased damaged.
I just found your channel a few days ago, having watched your assault guns tier list and instantly found you entertaining and charismatic and I instantly subscribed. I fully expected you to be a big channel with several thousand subscribers based on how great you content is and I was shocked to find out you were still a small channel lmao. You absolutely deserve a larger audience and keep up the great work mate!
Aw thank you so much. I certainly hope that I can reach that milestone someday.
I know you will 🙌
Totally agree on your description of the LS/26. I love these lists, its rare that people really get into the subjective reasons for enjoying weapons, instead of just focusing on stats. Keep it up!
Thanks! Not everyone understands that that’s the purpose of these videos, so it’s always nice to see when someone does.
I don't care what people say
The L,L,L,R specialisation for the MG42 is the best MG42
1200 rpm hipfire rng monster
Well when you put it that way ;P
As a fellow support player, I agreed with you almost exactly! Loved the video. Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much!
Long live the Chauchat! Excellent and entertaining video on the Support's arsenal in BFV. I echo your feelings regarding the interplay between Support and Recon in V, and definitely miss the way suppression worked in BF1.
came here from the bf1 videos- ive played bf1 a lot but never played bfv but this has inspired me to check it out sometime. i love the way you talk about these weapons and the game. its clear you have a lot of love for this and a lot of passion.
I’m glad you like my content even if it’s on a game you don’t play, and thanks for the kind words
The top and side mounted magazines were intended for pairs, one firing and one reloading and to be able to support the weapon closer to the ground.
mmgs in my opinion should be how every lmg is designed, lmg always suffer from being ARs with extended mag, but mmgs fix that entirely.
its also kinda funny that if you think about it mmgs work the same as the mini guns from tf2 just with a added ads. which give em much needed depth
The MG42 & MG34 were by far my favorite MMGs when I played BFV a lot, I just went stupid mode with them and charged into gunfights Jin-Roh style and hozing an area down with nonstop hipfire.
That's pretty good
Great video! You bring up a lot of good points about guns I don't typically use, looks like I'll have to try them out!
Of course, I recommend giving everything a try if you have the patience for it!
Always excited about those rankings! keep it up
You’ve got it!
So one thing about the MG-42 is if you want to make people real mad, use the rapid fire. Yeeeaaaah only 50 rounds is a pain, but running around at 1200 rounds a minute with that said 4 hit kill, unless a SHOTGUN 1 hit kills first you basically will win every close range engagement. And due to how the suppression works, you can essentially insta suppress with less than 10 rounds, which in term means in less than fraction of a second, you can insta spot everyone you’re shooting near
To add on: the first gun I got to level 10, and the first gun I have ever made fully gold. Either way works, wether you want belt and chrome for that suppression, and become a slug firing chainsaw that the rapid fire gives
And have the rapid reload perk, which makes absolutely no sense but it decreases the reload time by a rather significant amount
I tend to use the BAR as a pseudo-assault rifle. The alternating fire rates combined with the ammo crate gadget make for an extremely aggressive support playstyle that can move up with the team and also survive solo, if needed.
My biggest gripe is aesthetically, the chunky carry handle just detracts from an otherwise-cool design. I would have much preferred they didn’t use that model, especially since that was a post-war addition iirc.
Valid
Thank you for making this. i stopped playing bf5 for a while, and this video just got me playing more
No problem, glad you like it!
I, like many people it would seem, was recommended your assault weapons video. I honestly love your style of content. So glad I found this gem of a channel and I hope you post more! ❤
Thank you very much! I do plan to post more, though with all this fresh attention I’m not really sure what I’ll do after I finish my tier lists haha
@@professormemsclass you deserve it man!
As a Finn I must inform you that LS/26 (Lahti-Saloranta 26) is... A FINNISH GUN! Such missed opportunity to insert something Finnish there...
The idea of a side/top mount magazine was to allow you lay prone while carrying more rounds. This was replaced by the belt, but it worked well for the time.
Man your stuff is clean and entertaining. And lucky me to find you at such an early point in your channel
I’m glad you’re enjoying
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Wow I think a found a great hidden gem! Amazing video dude keep it up!
Thank you I will!
I love this content. It’s funny hearing you say that the m1 Mmg is was drawn you into bfv when you started a while ago, I remember when it came out this game can’t be that old!
True, but the me who started playing Battlefield V and the me now are very different people so it feels like a long time ago :P
You deserve it man I just found you and love you, and I also maxed out the browning mmg first too lol
Glad you're liking the content!
just started playign this game last week and I love how this vid is not just a stat page
No problem ;P
This comment is quite late, but I've got to say, the MG-42 is one of my all time favorite guns in any shooter ever, period. The act of wielding it gives you the feeling of being an annihilation despenser, where the enemy teams are just an audience to the mayhem. It allows for multiple play styles that are each more deranged than the last. From point defence to bum rushing an objective while holding down the trigger, it has never dissapointed.
A comment is never too late, what you’ve said exactly encapsulates the great feeling of using the MG 42
You see, for many nations, what is an Automatic rifle, can be fitted into the roles of a light machine gun. The Madsen is uses as the first LMG ever to exist, but its was design more in line with an automatic rifle, then the French Chauchat, then the KV-9 and that Finnish LMG, and of course the BAR, they are automatic rifles, uses as LMG.
Amazing vid man, I know you’ll make it big with this quality of content. Keep it up!
Thanks for the kind words
The Type 11 is my favorite, it just has that damage and accuracy that makes it useful in most medium and short range engagements depending on what you up against.
Great video I’ve watched all your reviews and I love that you added red dead redemption soundtrack in this video
Thank you for all the support!
I love using shotguns in games and what you've said about the shotguns in BFV pretty much echo's my sentiments.
I tend to jump between the Drilling and the 12G with the buckshot path and flat out avoid the Model 37. But I'll need to give the Sjo... shogren... that one a go with the slugs. That looks like fun, haha.
Very solid
The M30 is just... _really_ fucking fun to use, and even looking at it in action is a treat. It kicks almighty amounts of ass when used right, and _nobody_ will give you shit for using it, because they know damn well that it takes effort to use.
The S2-200 is fucking weird. It's an MMG that really shouldn't be one, because it's actually _lighter_ than, say, the Lewis, while having a smaller magazine.
I feel like the MG-42 and 34 should get bonus points for having unique barrel-changing animations in the event of an overheat.
The Type 11's top-up reloads should have been standard, I don't get why it needs a specialisation. It only works on multiples of five, so it isn't really much of a balance problem.
I absolutely love the Lewis gun because in my opinion, it looks like a World War II M240 and also it has a three times scope, so I basically turn it into a auto sniper
Heck yeah
I remember the chachuat before the nerf. That thing was incredibly broken and unfair but man was it so crisp
The rifle round on the m30 Drilling has non-existent drop. When I played i set the range to the max length and didn't drop , maybe they changed it, maybe they didn't but still my go-to support shotgun.
They roy brown joke was really funny. I like the song butcher pete and i love the little "turn the record over you aint heard nothing yet"!
Always makes me happy when people recognize the references I put in
MMGs were my absolute favorite guns in the game. I’ve clocked in like 3k kills for both the mg34 and mg42
Underrated AF, nice job!
Thank you, T-800
I love seeing the Chauchat get the recognition it deserves. It’s an absolute beast in BF1 as well (and the most historically accurate LMG).
Just found your channel glad I did awesome video man your doing amazing
Hey thanks!
M1922 is my bread butter gun. Shoots straight and it's a headshot machine Then I carry the MG42. Love for ammo capacity. But it's hell on opposing infantry close up. You rattle of 30-40 shots to some slug trying to melee you. You get to walk away and fight again. M1919A6 & VGO are backups and real good guns.
Fellow MMG appreciator spotted.
Just found your channel. Your awsome keep it up!
You're*
Thank you very much!
Just found your channel and I love your videos! It’s criminal that you don’t have more subs. Dry humour, varied opinions (i.e. not just putting the “meta” at S tier), and all around high effort content. Keep it up! I can’t wait to see the recon tier list :)
Oh, and I’m a proud slider. I use the grease gun though, not the type 2a 😅
The grease gun is respectable enough to absolve you. I’m really glad you’re enjoying the content
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@@professormemsclass Phew, glad to hear it 😂
Normally you wouldn't hear anything abut SIG KE7 since it was a Swiss LMG that was used only in China during World War 2 but more in Second Sino-Japanese War which is tied with WWII
S2-200 (or more widely know as MG30) was a Swiss Gun (again) produced for Hungary, Hungary adopted it as 31M and 43M - their differences are caliber and magazine capacity 25 rounds (8mm) and 30 rounds (7.92mm)
LS-26 is a Finnish LMG but in reality it wasn't a good one, Finnish troops successfully replaced it with huge amount of captured DP-27 from Soviets during Winter and Continuation Wars
People may say that most top-magazine LMGs are Bren copies but Bren is a modified copy of Czech ZB vz.26 LMG which is the mother of all top magazine LMGs and it was quite common during WWII (both in Europe and Asia)
Thanks for the info, I just liked using the Bren for reference since it's the most well known, and I even lampshaded why it was kind of dumb of me to compare top magazine LMGs to just the Bren.
I wouldn't say the ZB vz. 26 was the mother of all top magazine LMGs; the Madsen is a fairly well-known and quite effective design that's much older, dating back to 1902. The ZB vz. 26 was pushed into service in 1926.
If you argue that the ZB vz. 26 was the main influencer for all interwar and WWII top mounted magazine LMGs, that I can definitely agree with. It spawned notable designs including the Japanese Type 97 and of course, the BREN.
This is assuming you meant "mother" as in a starting point, not "mother" as in the quintessential example of that sort of design. The ZB vz. 26 did have massive influence so sorry if I misunderstood lol
@@TurtleButter Yes, I just meant it's more dominant. ZB vz.26 was very common (I'm including ZB vz.30). Germans used it, Slovaks used it, Romanians used it and locally produced, Yugoslavia imported them, China massively produced copies of it, even countries like Ethiopia or Iran used some of them.
I'm bummed that we didn't get the Japanese Type 96 or 99 lmgs in this game. Yeah, they look very similar to the Bren or Madsen, and the Type 11 is a much more unconventional and distinctive design, but Japanese lmgs from this era are just so interesting to me that I wish we got more of them.
Youre the first person that actually argues in favour of crouching MMGs and against the reduced impact of the suppression. And you know I can respect that.
BAR is my favourite weapon for the support, it is so versatile with the different RPM modes... if it would have a bigger magazine it would be the perfect weapon and quite frankly be OP af.
About the MMGs, since DICE never fixed those goddamn bipods and they are super wonky till this date i absolutely hate them.
ps. Love your more subjective tier list and humour!
I'm really glad to hear that!
I Hip-Fire scrubs with the MG-42 while blasting Perturbator and Carpenter Brut. It's a feeling like no other! MAWHWAHHWHAH
(I watched "Jin Roh the Wolf Brigade" Once)
“OMG he is literally me”
Heeyy a fellow Support main, love to see it. Though it may just be me going mental with the MMG’s, but I like to believe with absolutely no evidence that the S2-200 is a secret hipfire enhanced aim god with the light bolt. There’s just some kind of magic that happens to allow me to hit all my shots with no problem at the most absurd times. Also just want to throw out that after playing BFV the Drilling might just be one of my favorite shotguns of all time. It’s just way too fun to use and style on people.
The Madsen was good when it was added, it was closer to the bf1 version. Then the ttk changes fucked it like the fg-42
Very nice to see a weapon list for the Pc version, most of those are for the consoles only.
Oh really? Well I'm glad to provide.
I have to say this, I can’t keep this secret in me any more, the M30 Drilling with all 3 upgrades and the Model 27 on close range maps IS the G.O.A.T load out for the engineer class. Matter of fact (apart from the disgusting abomination of a monster that is the Type 2) the best close range load out to my knowledge.
Honestly really based loadout
you got the Trivia about the KE7's reload backwards. It's a closed bolt gun, but since it's made by the Swiss they decided it needed both an automatic bolt hold open, AND a feature that automatically drops the bolt when you insert a loaded magazine. After loading it for the first time, you'd never need to manually charge it unless there was a malfunction.
Not sure where you got your info, but from what I’ve seen, period sales brochures of the KE7 from SIG describe it as open bolt, and video demonstrations show it to be open bolt.
@@professormemsclass ah, you're right. I misremembered what Forgotten Weapons said about it in his video.
@@fulgrimventris8506 All good, have a good one.
I love shotguns in battlefield 64 player matches. Irl I’m a shotgun guy I adore shotguns and love the versatility, but in gaming shotguns have a stigma of OP or dogshit. In bf 64 player matches you have to be very strategic and earn your kills makes me love the style.
The chauchat is my favorite weapon in this game and bf1. It's just so good at every range
Preach it!
But how does one obtain it? Iv searched high and low for it and I can’t find it
I never really liked using sights on my guns I’m what you call a realism nerd I use faction similar weapons but the bar was the first weapon I put the sights on because those irons with that recoil is insane
that muv-luv ost I hear? must be a man of taste.
O_O
Someone recognized it?
@@professormemsclass i was just as surprised to hear it in a BFV video lol
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A roy brown reference??? Youre my new favorite battlefield youtuber now bro
Completely unrelated to the video topic but your habit of reloading after firing like 5 shots makes me itch haha. Great video, though!
Lately i've started apreciating KE-7 because of game known as Enlisted as it's one of probably 3 good techtree unlockable japanese lmg (other being japanese tank lmg with scope and aircraft 2 barreled lmg). I apreciate it because it's rather cool swiss lmg that is kinda weird BAR
That’s fair
Good vid, keep it up!
Thanks, man!
I had no idea of the bar alternative fire mode 😅
So I noticed something when you made your Bren joke. That being that it does look shockingly alike a Bren (surprising i know) but because of who i am i decided to look into its relation to the Czech ZB V/B 26 light machine gun ( the gun the Bren was derived from) and found that it too was derived ( at least partially) from the ZB V/B 26, which makes a lot of since!
Oh nice!
IIRC, you commented on the KE7 having that big ol charging knob but lamented there’s no charging animation; I recently watched Forgotten Weapon’s KE7 video. Turns out that even though it fires from an open bolt (not uncommon for LMGs), it does have a bolt lock-back that even disengages the trigger until a new mag is inserted. So one could fairly realistically go through an entire battle without having to charge the KE7.
Did BF5 get this right on purpose? That seems more unlikely lol. But maybe?
I've heard the type eleven lmg can also have a crazy velocity especially with the high velocity upgrade, but that also could just be an urban myth.
So, the problem with the mg 34 double drum is that while yes, you do reload faster and shoot more without overheating, you go from 50 rounds of sustained fire to 75. How often do you really spray the whole mag without letting the gun cool? I prefer the longer belt, combined with the light bolt for a faster rate of fire. A bit worse in some ways to the mg 42, but mmgs are all so close to each other that it barely matters. Spot on with the 1922, that thing kicks teeth in
Love this! Hope to see a Recon weapons soon
I’m so glad to hear you’re looking forward to it!
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your videos are way too high quality for 200 subscribers man. I just found your content and currently binging all of your BFV videos during conquest queue
I appreciate the kind words. Long queue time huh? Are ya playing BF1? ;P
Yoooo new video!!
That’s was quick
Thanks for helping me love the videos bro hope you have a good one
Thanks, I hope you have a good one too!
I love the RDR2 reference. Just got through that part. I liked that dude. Shame to see him go first.
The Lewis gun gives me PTSD. Frickin Cheaters.
Understandable...
Mate, I have 400 hours in BFV and I swear to god, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE BAR LOW FIRERATE THING GOTAMN
Haha all good, Battlefield isn’t great at conveying compelling tidbits like that.
You’d think the MG-30 (S2-200) would let you ads but nope they gave it to the mmg category.
Could you make a written list of the s & a tiers with the name of the weapon? I just started playing and I can’t tell which gun is in each tier by their silhouette.
Sure!
S Tier: M1919A6, M1897, M30 Drilling, Chauchat, Sjogren Shotgun
A Tier: Madsen MG, 12G Automatic, M1922 MG, MG42, Lewis Gun, Bren Gun, Type 11
On the type 11 you forgot about the PING every 5 rounds, that's one of my fav things about it
You’re right, it is very nice
I have a personal grudge with the KE7 simply for the amount of times I’ve been killed by a dude sitting on his ass in a dark corner racking up kills.
Ah, that’s a common problem for ya huh?
@@professormemsclass yes for those players alone who use that play style I hope they step on legos and both sides of their pillows are warm
@@darthgonk5648 A fate worse than death ;P
I like this channel and it’s content. Yay.
Yay indeed
I'd put the Type 97 in D-tier simply because DICE chose to add it instead of the Type 99 or 96. It's emblematic of BFV's poor or just outright bizarre weapon choices for its WW2 setting.
I love the mmgs but the mg42 desperately needed a drum mag upgrade with the 1200rpm fire rate or something
Yeah haha, it just goes too fast
Overly Patriotic Mediocrity Apologist is a fucking new one and I love it! For me my most used support weapon (when I played BFV anyway) was the 1919A6 simply for no other reason because it looked fucking awesome! A .30 caliber machine gun, with a shoulder stock, and some of the best recoil of the class?? Sign me the fuck up! I got really good at being aggressive with it on certain maps too
BFV is my favorite as WWII is my favorite part in history and the MG-42 is my most favorite weapon...I don't care if it's an MMG and I'll gladly sit in corners all game and defend the objective with this gun and I've gotten it gold plated
Gotta love the MMG love
@@professormemsclass it really angers me whenever I'm called "camping" like bruh what do recon players do all game with snipers!? They camp too!
Is the M30 Drilling technically a triple barrel shotgun? A double barrel buckshot and a single barrel rifle at that.
Hmm, I think since only two of the barrels are shotguns it would be more appropriate to call it a “combination gun” as that’s typically the name for guns that combine shotgun and rifle barrels in any amount.
Yeah something like that. It’s one of its kind to have both functions! The only other gun that also has a function to use different rounds in the same gun that I know of, is the LeMat Revolver is a cap & ball blackpowder gun made in 1855. It both functions as a 9 shot revolver, and a one shot shotgun with that big smooth bore barrel underneath. Either way enjoyed your video!
Dude, great content (not just this video, but many others).
I really, truly want to love rocking the support class, but LMGs just seem so very mediocre (imo obv).
Too weak at range, too slow up close.
I know it’s likely me kinda sucking, but also I’m on console, which seems to def live up to its reputation of being tougher than m&k on pc when it comes to the LMGs.
Tips? Like I said, I really want to have fun with support, but am mostly just really frustrated.
I understand why you would struggle with this class. Without the precision of mouse and keyboard it’s harder to take advantage of their stronger ranged features in bipods and 3x optics. Also I’m sure it makes slug shotguns quite less fun…
Since I’m not on console I can’t offer too many tips, I suppose you should take hipfire reducing specializations where you can, and try to take advantage of good positioning to set yourself up in a solid place with a bipod, hopefully that will help with the handling, but of course standing still always comes with perils.
I wouldn’t be surprised if MMGs were more fun than LMGs on console. Do you feel that way?
@@professormemsclass I’m gonna try n be realistic, & admit that although I love FPS games, I’m not the best. I used to rock a decent K/D in COD BO2, but I blow at Apex & my K/D in BFV is only over 1.0 cuz I am learning to play tanks in casual Conquest games, & tanks are obv OP.
I’m still figuring out my sens setting for BFV, but at the moment, no lol I’m still sucking with MMGs as well.
I think map knowledge (& just practice) are key for me. I was watching your b-roll for the Support video you put out, watching where on the maps you posted up & bipod-bagged the enemy team. I think learning map flow & rotations depending on game mode are gonna be what I gotta do.
And. You know. Just get gud.
That Maxim (Pom Pom!) joke in the video was goated, by the way.
You take it serious yet joke about, and are bias af on this shit, so I LOVE THAT fact tbh
I’m glad to hear there are people that do, not everyone is a fan of my bias it seems ;P
I agree on ranking the OP meta weapons at the lowest tier. because they are unusable, zero satisfaction from kills.
That ke7 ranking is brutal lol, but i agree that its boring and i also never use it. I also never use MMGs because my overactive monkey brain wont let me sit in one spot for longer than 10 seconds. My favorite support weapon is by far the Bren. Its reliable at virtually any range, as well as looking, sounding, and feeling good to use.
All very valid
I find it funny that the rifle round is equivalent to a normal bolt action caliber, when in reality, it was chambered at 9.3x74mm, by comparison the Mauser 7.92 shell is 7.92x57, mosin 7.62 is 7.62x54. I would think it would be safe to assume any person getting hit by that shell would probably hit the floor.
I’m talking about the m30.
Right you are, in fact, it’s 9.3x74mmR ammunition was banned from use against enemy soldiers, but I think that’s mostly because it was a soft pointed bullet, so it would expand, which at this point was banned in warfare by the Hague Convention. It would have truly devastating effect in infantry use, but the M30 was ultimately an aircraft survival gun, along the lines of the US M6 rifle.
Madsen is pretty cool but I think Bren is better. Mag is too big on Madsen and covers half the screen. Lewis is also pretty bad imo. Specs are good on paper but it's extremely inaccurate unless you burst after 5 shots. Most support weapons are bad imo but outside of shotguns(almost all of them are good) FG42, Bren and Type 97 are pretty good imo, never used MMGs though because I don't want to be a sitting duck waiting to be taken by DMRs or snipers.
It's confirmed: If I ever get BF1, I'm maining Support
You did the mg34 dirty and I won't forgive you for it
Fair
Finnish LMG mentioned (LS/26)
Bit of a late comment but the reason I've stopped using the MG42 is because it gets boring real quick. Its a meat grinder. Have your squad run a couple of these and hold down an objective real easy. The hipfire was great in the beginning and the fire rate while on a bipot is deadly even far. It got boring real quick.
Fair enough
I've always loved using the Bren in this game despite it being extremely mediocre statistically and having poor visibility
Agreed, it just feels good to use.
watching these videos made me reinstall BFV again, and you know what? i think i treated this game too harshly, the game improved immensely over it's life and i have tons of fun playing it. some maps kinda blow but that's with every Battlefield game.
The game has indeed come a long way, I’m glad you’re enjoying it
i know this is completely off topic but are there enough earnable cosmetics to grind for so i won’t be bored after buying the definitive edition? i only have like 10 hours played so i don’t know what assignments i’ll get later but what is there to earn after you’re given every weapon? might be a stupid question but im a cod guy so im used to camo and prestige grinding
There is plenty of stuff to earn between cosmetics and gun skins, even just with the common currency. Just browse around the shop and you’ll see stuff that you can get with them. Earning the currency is mostly linked to leveling up and doing the “tides of war” challenges.
@@professormemsclass i was hesitant to spend any currency on weapons because i wanted to save up for the ivory skin pack so i went ahead and bought the definitive because i don’t play much and im glad i did. some of these weapons feel like cheating compared to the starter guns and i hadn’t seen anything online about all the legendary melee wepaons