“This gun is S tier because it had the highest ttk and low recoil” boring, cringe, especially if the gun is un-fun. “This gun is S tier because I like the reload animation” Amazing, fantastic, weapon balance is for nerds, I want to have fun and use cool guns
@@_Bunguswaste your money on yet another carbon copy call of duty just to use the M4 or MP5 again… and these same people talk shit when you walk up with a PKM, thermal optics, smoke grenades, and waste them through a smoke screen they had no chance of seeing through because you actually used your brain.
@@passiondonoU can’t say that when the person u kill is only using a knife. Let ppl play games the way they want to play it. It’s dumb to criticize ppl for playing a game when anyone can criticize someone for anything. Just as much as I can call u a camping piece of trash, u can call me a no brain point and clicker.
sitting in my trench with my rusty rifle that barely functions while a hopped up health-regenerating superman of a soldier running around with a 100lb+ machine gun charges in a straight line towards my position
That's my theory on the trench raider elite. It's just a buff dude who can tank five times the bullets, run 11% faster and deals double melee damage, on top of carrying 5 grenades. He's so strong his hubris makes him only carry a revolver
@@boofe7206I am that guy, but since no one else is shooting at planes, they beeline towards me. It’s really fun when they come in low, and I get to slap them out of the air with an anti-tank grenade.
The lMG-08 is the best LMG in the game, because if you reload with 13 rounds remaining, it plays a twinkly music box sound effect. Really cool easter egg, and one of the few secret reloads that can be consistently activated. It deserves S-tier just for that!
Just gonna add that iirc this only works with the 200 round variant (before anyone spends hours trying to get the secret reload with the wrong variant)
Guys, he’s clearly lying about the pistol carbines. They r the best class of weapon in the game. The devs totally didn’t put the pistol carbines in the support role b/c people complained the only way to use them was to be a tanker/pilot when it came out. U gotta believe me
The Chauchat wasn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. It sure wasn't a cakewalk, 8mm Lebel in open sided magazines in the middle of a trench is not a good idea, but for a time when lightweight man portable machine guns were few and far between it was an admirable attempt to design one. French doctrine also had yet to catch up with how to properly use it, and at least by the end of the war they got a hold on how to deploy them, issuing close-sided magazines to small mobile groups of soldiers where they could be used most effectively. A lot of the issues that tarnished its reputation come from the American .30-06 version, which compounded a lot of the pre-established issues the original had ten-fold. When converting the Chauchat from the Metric measured 8mm Lebel to the Imperial .30-06, miscalculations trying to convert between the two systems resulted in the longer American round never properly seating into the chamber and having feeding problems near constantly. Stovepipe jams, failure to feed, casings being blown apart inside the chamber, the issues never ended. What few modified Chauchats did end up in the G.I.'s hands were almost instantly swapped out for the 8mm Lebel version because even if the original's reliability was questionable it was still leagues better than what the US tried making. In the inter-war period, as Chauchats were available in surplus, Belgium purchased a sum of the rifles and converted them into the 1915/27 variant, rechambering them for 7.65 Mauser with a straight solid magazine and dust covers absolutely anywhere that dirt could be introduced. What resulted of it was what many consider the be the most consistent, reliable version of the LMG. Better magazines combined with significantly less tapered rimless ammunition that was more ideal for automatic fire, alongside the plethora of dust covers that kept dirt out of the gun, meant that the Belgian 1915/27 model saw service well into WW2.
Forgotten Weapons calls this thing, rightfully, the STEN of LMG's. Cheap, ugly, and kinda shit, but in the context of massed defensive formations, it did its job.
For some reason, hearing something so lighthearted as Undertale music, coupled with the intense gameplay of something like bf1 makes me chuckle, I dunno why.
Hey there! In case you're wondering why tap firing the MG17 has atrocious spread, there's a mechanic in the game called the first shot spread multiplier that strongly increases shot deviation for the second bullet each time you start firing a weapon. This means tap-firing too quickly will cause your spread to significantly jump repeatedly. You can avoid this by pausing longer to reset the spread to its smallest value.
If memory serves, the Huot was actually a fairly successful bolt-action conversion. The only reason it wasn't used to any real effect was that the war ended first.
You know what i really hate about the M1911 extended? Unlocking it, i despise with every molecule of my body using planes, so getting to level 10 was the most painful thing i ever did, all for completionism Also, the C93 Carbine is a crime against humanity and using it is considered torture in 190 of all 195 countries in the world
Its not 2016 and the russian dlc has been out for a bit, I mean you could just spam the heavy bomber in operations, doesn't require any skill and you can get 4-12 kills per strafe.
@@stunningandbased5516 oh yeah, the Ilya-Muromets, sorry but i prefer to parallel Park an A7V in Manhattan at peak hours before using that flying garbage truck while beign shot by 2 fighters, AA trucks, fixed AA guns and half the enemy team
I didn’t realize how popular bf1 still is til I started playing it again a few days ago and it’s cool to see content like this still doing numbers to this day. Great vid
Omg you were on the CCC server and I never put two and two together! I hope to see you more there now that I'm actually paying attention XD (On a side note I do remember this match at 17:09 vividly because i played so badly that CCC felt the need to call me out. Feels bad man)
im gonna be honest i planned to just have this video on as background noise while gaming but your soundtrack, especially the Bully and TF2 music, activated me like a sleeper agent and now ive watched the whole thing
I find it kind of funny that the BAR was supposed to be an improved version of the concept behind the Chauchat yet in BF1 the Chauchat out performs the BAR in every sense of the word. I will give the BAR this though. I know Browning intended to have the rifle be “walking fire,” where soldiers would pop out of a trench on mass and shoot from the hip as they advance (fun fact the Chauchat and experimental versions of the Villar Perosa were intended for this same tactic). Given the BAR’s awful recoil, and trench variant hip fire is the only sure fire way to hit your targets. So in a way the walking fire idea for the BAR lives on. Sidebar: This may not be the case with everyone as I am primarily a scout and assault player and play on a controller so recoil controls while ads is already a pain.
One of the best BF1 'analysis' videos I've seen on this site, and with great music too! My love for BF1 has always been using the bizarre and out of the way weapons rather than just whatever gets the kill fastest.
found this channel recently and have really enjoyed these videos. Good to see the bf1 community alive and well. can’t wait for your scout video as that’s my favorite class
I was so surprised seeing my name pop up after that Obrez plink at 34:55, until I got absolutely humiliated seconds later XD! Anyways amazing video, really enjoying this series!!
Mained Support when I was a wee lad back on launch year in PS4. Grew obsessed with your videos as a 20-something today and seeing you cover my old main gives me so much serotonin I will be rewatching this over and over again
Fun fact: the Mg-08/18 has a secret reload animation that plays when you are at 13 rounds left in the drum, to which once that condition is met, it plays a music box theme for until the Belt is fully retrieved.
My friend this is not a "casual" guide, you go into great detail about recoil, muzzle velocity, fire rates, and damage drop off. I have 2000+ hours in BF1 and this is a proper in dept guide! I appreciate your love for the support class as it is my favorite! Telescopic Chauchat and BAR for life!
I suppose it isn’t my info that’s casual as much as my opinions haha. I’m told often that my personal takes are not those of a high level player. Thanks for the appreciation though!
The Parabellum is definitely one of the LMGs you have to use burst firing in order to get the full effectiveness out of it. In close quarters fights, overheating can really become an issue, but for medium to long range, 5, to 15 round bursts mitigate the overheating problem and provide great suppression against other players. I also prefer the low weight variant, as to me, it bounces around less when sighted compared to the supressive variant. It's a little bit more of a specialized LMG than the others, but still one of my favorites.
I want to like the BAR, but why is it a 5 shot at long range? It fires the same rifle round as the Springfield. It should be able to kill a lot quicker at long range
The LMGs in BF1 aren't OP, they're just actually effective in the areas an LMG should be - unlike LMGs in almost every other competitive FPS game out there. I'm a huge Support/LMG fan in games - so I am on-board on this list and approach.
One more class to go before scout! New fan of the channel, but old school BF1 fan here to say thank you for making these vids! I wouldnt be surprised if you rate the melee weapons in this game because certain melee weapons have unique properties and movesets.
As an avid BF1 player and one-time BF5 player, these tier lists got me to give BF5 a second chance, and it definitely feels like I was missing out. The fact they aren't based on meta makes them actually enjoyable to watch. Keep up the great work :]
@professormemsclass Eh, there's millions of meta tier lists out there for people who want that. The fact that there's plenty of "meta" guns I end up not finding enjoyable to use in these games means tier lists like these are refreshing.
Amazing video as always. I can personally vouch as a fellow support player that we ate GOOD with this selection. Here are some of my personal notes - The Benet Mercie Telescopic I found to be really good as an impromptu AA gun, especially against the heavy bomber as if you can hit the weakspot you can remove about 1/2 its health with a single strip. If I didnt have to give up my absolutely beloved Burton LMR or Perino, it would easily be used in both my "offensive" and "defensive" support loadouts. The Perino is easily my favorite "heavy LMG", and to me just feels like a more respectable version of the M1917. Maybe its just the servers I play on, but a lot of the time I only see M1917 telescopic users act like snipers. Sitting on the back of the map, raining down suppression on everyone, occasionally getting a kill - and overall not really accomplishing much. (not to say that suppression isnt helpful, but god can they please just push the objective for once in their lives?) The burton LMR. Words alone can not express how much I love this gun. Something about it just clicks with me in a way really no other gun in a game has. The incendiary rounds also deal damage to boats (torpedo/landing craft, sadly not dreadnoughts or destroyers), which is very helpful on maps like Zeebrugge or Cape Helles. I am also still annoyed at how the optical variant is borderline useless due to how you lose out on the hipfire, for almost NO increase to accuracy. You are basically sacrificing your hipfire abilities (one of the Burtons strongsuits) for a slightly clearer reticle. I honestly am still confused to this day why they gave the pistol carbines to SUPPORT of all classes. They would of been INFINITELY more useful on Scout or even Medic. Giving scout an assortment of more close-range options would of greatly benefited them. Out of them all, the Pieper is easily my favorite - its a guilty pleasure. The ammo count is ridiculous, and plus its a revolver carbine which is something I like. Also, it has the longest range out of all the pistol carbines. (as in, the bullet travels the furthest before despawning) - so with that ammo count, just spamming is actually "viable" (by the standards of pistol carbines, of course.) And if the C96 carbine's sights wernt so awful, I could see it having a sort of niche playstyle with two suppressed weapons (M1911 and the C96) - but, such is life.
This is a great comment, thank you! I’ve got some notes to share. When I was in the editing phase of this video I realized I needed extra footage of the Burton LMR actually damaging planes, so late in production I went in and got the clips you see of me grounding planes in Sinai Desert. But once I got those I preceded to menace the buildings off the British spawn side of Mazar Wireless, racking up top kills of the game, it was an incredibly satisfying experience the likes of which I hadn’t had with it before. It raised my opinion of the Burton more than I was able to indicate in the video. Personally, I don’t mind the sights of the C96 carbine so much, I know aperture sights aren’t great in this game, but these seem more consistent than the P08/Mle 1903/M1911 sights, whatever the case, it felt like a nicer shooter to me personally than the M1911 Extended or P08 Artillerie. Also I agree that people who stay in the back with machine guns like the M1917 give it a bad name.
Medic and Scout didn't get any of the Tanker/Pilot weapons because their primaries need to be compatible with the rifle grenade launcher and K-bullets, respectively. If they were made available to other classes earlier in the game's life cycle maybe something could have been done, but this was right near the end of development so the team just didn't have the resources to create a workaround. As a result, two were given to Assault and the rest were dumped on Support.
@@professormemsclass Yeah, my guess is that there's a lot of esoteric coding behind both gadgets that would need to be rewritten to make them work with the pistol carbines. The K-bullets especially. In case you're not aware, equipping K-bullets without a primary weapon (possible either through a pistol only server or the companion app) gives you a Russian 1895 that's missing both its sights and barrel, effectively looking like a bootleg Mare's Leg. It'd be funny if you gave it a mention in your Scout tier list.
As someone whose name is Mads, i really appreciated when you took the time to clarify the real pronunciation of the Madsen MG. Not many other youtubers would even consider looking into that.
For those who don't know they added the tanker and pilot carbine's to the support and assault class in the final update just for fun. They weren't meant to be viable out side of pilot and tanker.
I find it interesting how your tier list contrasts with how mine would be if I made one. For reference, my best class is Assault, with Support second, however my best weapon is the lMG 08/18 Suppressive. All the guns you put in C tier would be in my A and S tier. I think the reason for the difference in opinion is because my mentality when using LMGs can basically be described as "haha, big gun go brrrt." Since you're playing Support, and thus effectively have unlimited ammo, accuracy through volume is a valid tactic, so I tend to gravitate toward high rate of fire and ammo capacity guns. I also find it incredibly fun to just hold down the trigger like a madman and fill the air with lead. (...I really hope that sentence doesn't put me on some kind of watchlist.) For me, S tier would be the lMG 08/18, Parabellum, and BAR, and A tier would be the MG15, Madsen, and M1909. Recently I feel like the Parabellum Low Weight has been overtaking the lMG 08/18 Suppressive in my eyes, and is also statistically better than the Parabellum Suppressive. The fact that Low Weight variants have superior spread reduction per shot compared to other variants, when combined with the Parabellum's high firing rate, means that the Parabellum Low Weight quickly gains accuracy with even just a short burst of fire. I find it best to use the AA sights on it, as the open sight picture makes the recoil less disruptive, and in close quarters you can just use hipfire and any enemy you look at for half a second gets deleted. Also, Latin names are cool.
As someone who's got 8 service stars on the BAR M1918A2, I can confirm its a very fun weapon. Being able to switch fire rates on the fly, having a bipod and getting messages from people confused about the weapon is almost worth the useless pre-order I did for BFV
The Pieper seems more like it would fit as a medic rifle to me. I know it's technically for Tankers and Pilots, but if it were up to me I wouldn't have given it to the Support class of all groups. It makes a certain amount of sense, the Assault and Support classes all got access to the vehicle weapons a while ago, but a revolving rifle that behaves like a self-loader seems out of place next to machine pistols, sawed off shotguns, and pistol-caliber carbines.
The next one is going to be rough, I think. But I hope my beloved 1895 Trench would be a separate case due to its difference among the peers. And oh boy it slaps for that difference
Im genuinely shocked that the Perino wasnt in S tier. Even without the bipod the recoil is nearly 0 and the reload is so cool, even without a scope its still great at longer ranges
32:18 so that’s because the second to last patch of the game broke this animation and the autoloading 8 extended animation. They only fixed the autoloading 8 animation. Before that the charging handle would magically snap back and open the receiver for rounds, rather than the soldier manually opening it and covering the receiver. Same as the c96 sidearm variant
I'm sure you probably know this already, but if you don't, or for anyone else who maybe didn't play this game in the early days, the pistol carbines were originally intended for use only with the tanker and pilot classes. They're deliberately underpowered to discourage people from using tanks and planes as transports, using them only to get to a location, then abandoning them. I actually like this idea, and I wish they would've implemented a similar feature in BFV. It makes a ton of sense too, because these types of emergency defense guns would've typically been given to vehicle crews so that they wouldn't be completely defenseless in the event that they need to ditch their vehicle. I hate that in BFV if you're a tanker or pilot and need to leave your vehicle, no matter what faction you're playing on, you're forced to use the Sten. It always just felt like an unfinished aspect of that game. At least later in BFV's life cycle they updated the tanker and pilot characters to kinda look like tankers and pilots, instead of default soldiers like they originally were... Okay I gotta stop now before I get too depressed thinking about how much potential Battlefield V still had before they stopped updating it.
you forgot to mention the amazing easter egg on the lMG 08 - if you reload the gun when you have exactly 21 rounds left you will hear toy music while you're cranking the wheel, and the melody is "pop goes the weasle"
The Parabellum with the Pin-Down ability is insanely good. I have 10 battle stars with the Parabellum, it’s effectively an ancient version of the SAW. Using the low weight version you can completely suppress someone in just around 6 shots, and coupled with a decent sniper teammate…you effectively spot them, cause them to duck for cover, and then get sniped. Just a great combo that I find to be usable at nearly any range.
I LOVE THE M1917 when i played BF1 me and my friends usually played those game modes where one team attack and the other defends, and a lot of times the maps we ended up playing were open maps, so me (support) and my friend (sniper) had this tactic of going to the limit of the map then i exploded the ground using that magnetic bomb, essentially making a "trench", then we both started firing at the enemy position to suppress or just kill them.
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At the very end of this series please do a melee tier list for both bf1 and 5
4:13 what on the name of cursed images?? Bruh I want to see if that is possible in real life
As someone who has 5 Service Stars on the Pieper, I approve of your D tier result. It's so shit but so fun.
Glad to hear it
Based AF
It’s such a unique weapon I wish it was good
Still dont understand how a revolver carbine has a worse ttk than the normal ass revolvers :(
I tip my hat to you, a legend to another. (I have 9 service starts with the 12g automatic)
“This gun is S tier because it had the highest ttk and low recoil” boring, cringe, especially if the gun is un-fun. “This gun is S tier because I like the reload animation” Amazing, fantastic, weapon balance is for nerds, I want to have fun and use cool guns
Straight facts. META is for losers. We play games to have fun in this house
@@_BungusThe best part is if you're having fun you're probably also winning. Metabros btfo.
@@_Bunguswaste your money on yet another carbon copy call of duty just to use the M4 or MP5 again… and these same people talk shit when you walk up with a PKM, thermal optics, smoke grenades, and waste them through a smoke screen they had no chance of seeing through because you actually used your brain.
@@passiondonocringe
@@passiondonoU can’t say that when the person u kill is only using a knife. Let ppl play games the way they want to play it. It’s dumb to criticize ppl for playing a game when anyone can criticize someone for anything. Just as much as I can call u a camping piece of trash, u can call me a no brain point and clicker.
sitting in my trench with my rusty rifle that barely functions while a hopped up health-regenerating superman of a soldier running around with a 100lb+ machine gun charges in a straight line towards my position
that support player's brother is sitting in his spawn shooting at planes and drooling
That's my theory on the trench raider elite. It's just a buff dude who can tank five times the bullets, run 11% faster and deals double melee damage, on top of carrying 5 grenades. He's so strong his hubris makes him only carry a revolver
@@boofe7206I am that guy, but since no one else is shooting at planes, they beeline towards me. It’s really fun when they come in low, and I get to slap them out of the air with an anti-tank grenade.
The lMG-08 is the best LMG in the game, because if you reload with 13 rounds remaining, it plays a twinkly music box sound effect. Really cool easter egg, and one of the few secret reloads that can be consistently activated. It deserves S-tier just for that!
Just gonna add that iirc this only works with the 200 round variant (before anyone spends hours trying to get the secret reload with the wrong variant)
@@AlicjaDee My bad, should have mentioned that. Thank you for the clarification
Yes. I too love having no recoil and no bullet deviation whilst holding down a trigger.
(I actually do, God bless the Madsen MG)
"Remember, switching to other magazine is faster than switching to your pistol, and also faster than reloading." -Burton LMR
As a self professed Support Connoisseur I have been waiting for this for a while
Hope it’s up to your standards
Limpet Mine gang limpet mine gang
I can't wait for the scout vid myself, first class I got to level 50. With my favorite meme Vermicelli vitalli!
@@stevemc6010 LIMPET LIMPET LIMPET
Guys, he’s clearly lying about the pistol carbines. They r the best class of weapon in the game. The devs totally didn’t put the pistol carbines in the support role b/c people complained the only way to use them was to be a tanker/pilot when it came out. U gotta believe me
mem praising the chauchat for being god's gift to firearms will never not be funny in the historical context
Very true
I think the version of the gun that had the most major issues was the 30-06 variations.
The Chauchat wasn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. It sure wasn't a cakewalk, 8mm Lebel in open sided magazines in the middle of a trench is not a good idea, but for a time when lightweight man portable machine guns were few and far between it was an admirable attempt to design one. French doctrine also had yet to catch up with how to properly use it, and at least by the end of the war they got a hold on how to deploy them, issuing close-sided magazines to small mobile groups of soldiers where they could be used most effectively.
A lot of the issues that tarnished its reputation come from the American .30-06 version, which compounded a lot of the pre-established issues the original had ten-fold. When converting the Chauchat from the Metric measured 8mm Lebel to the Imperial .30-06, miscalculations trying to convert between the two systems resulted in the longer American round never properly seating into the chamber and having feeding problems near constantly. Stovepipe jams, failure to feed, casings being blown apart inside the chamber, the issues never ended. What few modified Chauchats did end up in the G.I.'s hands were almost instantly swapped out for the 8mm Lebel version because even if the original's reliability was questionable it was still leagues better than what the US tried making.
In the inter-war period, as Chauchats were available in surplus, Belgium purchased a sum of the rifles and converted them into the 1915/27 variant, rechambering them for 7.65 Mauser with a straight solid magazine and dust covers absolutely anywhere that dirt could be introduced. What resulted of it was what many consider the be the most consistent, reliable version of the LMG. Better magazines combined with significantly less tapered rimless ammunition that was more ideal for automatic fire, alongside the plethora of dust covers that kept dirt out of the gun, meant that the Belgian 1915/27 model saw service well into WW2.
@@Elysium4GIVE THIS MAN A MEDAL
Forgotten Weapons calls this thing, rightfully, the STEN of LMG's. Cheap, ugly, and kinda shit, but in the context of massed defensive formations, it did its job.
Fun fact thatll probably boost your rating of the Burton, its the _only_ support weapon to get a *_bayonet_*
For some reason, hearing something so lighthearted as Undertale music, coupled with the intense gameplay of something like bf1 makes me chuckle, I dunno why.
I don’t find another medium as light hearted
Fun seeing you play on our CCC server and thanks to Cultus for inviting you. You are welcome back anytime!
Thanks! It’s a nice server
Hey there! In case you're wondering why tap firing the MG17 has atrocious spread, there's a mechanic in the game called the first shot spread multiplier that strongly increases shot deviation for the second bullet each time you start firing a weapon. This means tap-firing too quickly will cause your spread to significantly jump repeatedly.
You can avoid this by pausing longer to reset the spread to its smallest value.
If memory serves, the Huot was actually a fairly successful bolt-action conversion. The only reason it wasn't used to any real effect was that the war ended first.
yes, it’s a full-auto conversion of the canadian Ross MkIII
You know what i really hate about the M1911 extended? Unlocking it, i despise with every molecule of my body using planes, so getting to level 10 was the most painful thing i ever did, all for completionism
Also, the C93 Carbine is a crime against humanity and using it is considered torture in 190 of all 195 countries in the world
Understandable
Its not 2016 and the russian dlc has been out for a bit, I mean you could just spam the heavy bomber in operations, doesn't require any skill and you can get 4-12 kills per strafe.
@@stunningandbased5516 oh yeah, the Ilya-Muromets, sorry but i prefer to parallel Park an A7V in Manhattan at peak hours before using that flying garbage truck while beign shot by 2 fighters, AA trucks, fixed AA guns and half the enemy team
what are the 5 countries that don't considering forcing someone to use the C93 carbine? are China and North Korea among them?
Woooooo yeah baby! That’s what I’ve been waiting for!
These videos always makes me wanna boot up BF1/5 again
34:29 Fun fact: Nagant revolver is also belgian
I didn’t realize how popular bf1 still is til I started playing it again a few days ago and it’s cool to see content like this still doing numbers to this day. Great vid
Thanks!
Omg you were on the CCC server and I never put two and two together! I hope to see you more there now that I'm actually paying attention XD
(On a side note I do remember this match at 17:09 vividly because i played so badly that CCC felt the need to call me out. Feels bad man)
Daaang I'm sorry, glad to share a server with ya though!
Gotta love the Choo-Choo, Chow-Chow, Chug-Chug, French beast
No wayyy, a Bully OST?? Earned a like haha
Thanks!
Hey, there I am at 00:15 as the Captain! Nice video as always, Mem.
Edit: Holy shit, thanks for the shout out at 8:09; glad to help a man out!
im gonna be honest i planned to just have this video on as background noise while gaming but your soundtrack, especially the Bully and TF2 music, activated me like a sleeper agent and now ive watched the whole thing
Nice!
Slightly disappointed you didn’t mention the special music box reload on the 08/18
Ah sorry bout that
Benet-Mercie in S tier, objectively the correct opinion
Nah, perino S tier, slapping those feed clips into that hopper is just a straight upgrade from slapping the singular feed clip (gross) on the mercie
"Professor that Burton must be at least B tier"
*B Tier*
I fucking lost it at that.
I find it kind of funny that the BAR was supposed to be an improved version of the concept behind the Chauchat yet in BF1 the Chauchat out performs the BAR in every sense of the word. I will give the BAR this though. I know Browning intended to have the rifle be “walking fire,” where soldiers would pop out of a trench on mass and shoot from the hip as they advance (fun fact the Chauchat and experimental versions of the Villar Perosa were intended for this same tactic). Given the BAR’s awful recoil, and trench variant hip fire is the only sure fire way to hit your targets. So in a way the walking fire idea for the BAR lives on.
Sidebar: This may not be the case with everyone as I am primarily a scout and assault player and play on a controller so recoil controls while ads is already a pain.
I still have fond memories of using the telescopic bar to snipe
I still countersnipe enemy Scouts with the M1917 Telescopic all the time. They get _so_ pissed at me every time. lol
Now we just need elite kits (and pilot/tanker/cavalry) and scout and this list shall be complete!
He already did all the pistol carbines in this and the assault video. And he also mentioned he dislikes vehicle combat greatly
@@doorsareforopening The elite kits would still be a fun, if short, video
One of the best BF1 'analysis' videos I've seen on this site, and with great music too! My love for BF1 has always been using the bizarre and out of the way weapons rather than just whatever gets the kill fastest.
Thanks!
Hell yeah the man who got me back into these games uploads again!!!! Love your content man
Aw thanks!
I love all of the experimental looking weaponry from world war one, I love using all of these weapons especially with the country I'm playing
found this channel recently and have really enjoyed these videos. Good to see the bf1 community alive and well. can’t wait for your scout video as that’s my favorite class
I was so surprised seeing my name pop up after that Obrez plink at 34:55, until I got absolutely humiliated seconds later XD! Anyways amazing video, really enjoying this series!!
Mained Support when I was a wee lad back on launch year in PS4. Grew obsessed with your videos as a 20-something today and seeing you cover my old main gives me so much serotonin
I will be rewatching this over and over again
I’m glad to hear that ^-^
Fun fact: the Mg-08/18 has a secret reload animation that plays when you are at 13 rounds left in the drum, to which once that condition is met, it plays a music box theme for until the Belt is fully retrieved.
My friend this is not a "casual" guide, you go into great detail about recoil, muzzle velocity, fire rates, and damage drop off. I have 2000+ hours in BF1 and this is a proper in dept guide! I appreciate your love for the support class as it is my favorite! Telescopic Chauchat and BAR for life!
I suppose it isn’t my info that’s casual as much as my opinions haha. I’m told often that my personal takes are not those of a high level player. Thanks for the appreciation though!
The Parabellum is definitely one of the LMGs you have to use burst firing in order to get the full effectiveness out of it. In close quarters fights, overheating can really become an issue, but for medium to long range, 5, to 15 round bursts mitigate the overheating problem and provide great suppression against other players. I also prefer the low weight variant, as to me, it bounces around less when sighted compared to the supressive variant. It's a little bit more of a specialized LMG than the others, but still one of my favorites.
As someone who just started playing it's nice that there are current and informative videos like this
What I wasnt expecting was a bf1 tierlist video that came out 4 days ago.
Your videos are awesome, good to see these videos being pushed. Good luck moving forward.
Thank you!
Not putting Big Papa BAR in S tier is crazy
BAR sucks
It used to have much better recoil.
Boring gun IMO
I want to like the BAR, but why is it a 5 shot at long range? It fires the same rifle round as the Springfield. It should be able to kill a lot quicker at long range
If it had a 30 round mag, maybe, but in a class where reloading is a liability, no
Great video, Mem! Love the Nightfire track. Can't wait for the next one!
The LMGs in BF1 aren't OP, they're just actually effective in the areas an LMG should be - unlike LMGs in almost every other competitive FPS game out there. I'm a huge Support/LMG fan in games - so I am on-board on this list and approach.
One more class to go before scout! New fan of the channel, but old school BF1 fan here to say thank you for making these vids! I wouldnt be surprised if you rate the melee weapons in this game because certain melee weapons have unique properties and movesets.
The Benet Mercie my beloved. I have 15 service stars on the Storm variant. That is 12 more than I have on any other weapon
Nice!
As an avid BF1 player and one-time BF5 player, these tier lists got me to give BF5 a second chance, and it definitely feels like I was missing out. The fact they aren't based on meta makes them actually enjoyable to watch. Keep up the great work :]
Will do, and I’m glad to hear that despite people who feel the opposite, there are plenty of people who like my angle on the Tier Lists.
@professormemsclass Eh, there's millions of meta tier lists out there for people who want that. The fact that there's plenty of "meta" guns I end up not finding enjoyable to use in these games means tier lists like these are refreshing.
And I was just thinking about when the next upload would be...
Good stuff mate
Thanks!
When you start talking about the model 1909, your mic change makes you sound exactly like a youtube called “manlybadasshero”
I’ve heard that comparison before haha, not really sure what to make of it
You mean I don't have to hard pronounce the D in Madsen? This is the greatest day in BF1 voice communication ever for me.
LETS GO! congrats on 11K subs as well.
Thank you!
Amazing video as always. I can personally vouch as a fellow support player that we ate GOOD with this selection.
Here are some of my personal notes -
The Benet Mercie Telescopic I found to be really good as an impromptu AA gun, especially against the heavy bomber as if you can hit the weakspot you can remove about 1/2 its health with a single strip. If I didnt have to give up my absolutely beloved Burton LMR or Perino, it would easily be used in both my "offensive" and "defensive" support loadouts.
The Perino is easily my favorite "heavy LMG", and to me just feels like a more respectable version of the M1917. Maybe its just the servers I play on, but a lot of the time I only see M1917 telescopic users act like snipers. Sitting on the back of the map, raining down suppression on everyone, occasionally getting a kill - and overall not really accomplishing much. (not to say that suppression isnt helpful, but god can they please just push the objective for once in their lives?)
The burton LMR. Words alone can not express how much I love this gun. Something about it just clicks with me in a way really no other gun in a game has. The incendiary rounds also deal damage to boats (torpedo/landing craft, sadly not dreadnoughts or destroyers), which is very helpful on maps like Zeebrugge or Cape Helles. I am also still annoyed at how the optical variant is borderline useless due to how you lose out on the hipfire, for almost NO increase to accuracy. You are basically sacrificing your hipfire abilities (one of the Burtons strongsuits) for a slightly clearer reticle.
I honestly am still confused to this day why they gave the pistol carbines to SUPPORT of all classes. They would of been INFINITELY more useful on Scout or even Medic. Giving scout an assortment of more close-range options would of greatly benefited them. Out of them all, the Pieper is easily my favorite - its a guilty pleasure. The ammo count is ridiculous, and plus its a revolver carbine which is something I like. Also, it has the longest range out of all the pistol carbines. (as in, the bullet travels the furthest before despawning) - so with that ammo count, just spamming is actually "viable" (by the standards of pistol carbines, of course.) And if the C96 carbine's sights wernt so awful, I could see it having a sort of niche playstyle with two suppressed weapons (M1911 and the C96) - but, such is life.
This is a great comment, thank you! I’ve got some notes to share.
When I was in the editing phase of this video I realized I needed extra footage of the Burton LMR actually damaging planes, so late in production I went in and got the clips you see of me grounding planes in Sinai Desert. But once I got those I preceded to menace the buildings off the British spawn side of Mazar Wireless, racking up top kills of the game, it was an incredibly satisfying experience the likes of which I hadn’t had with it before. It raised my opinion of the Burton more than I was able to indicate in the video.
Personally, I don’t mind the sights of the C96 carbine so much, I know aperture sights aren’t great in this game, but these seem more consistent than the P08/Mle 1903/M1911 sights, whatever the case, it felt like a nicer shooter to me personally than the M1911 Extended or P08 Artillerie.
Also I agree that people who stay in the back with machine guns like the M1917 give it a bad name.
Medic and Scout didn't get any of the Tanker/Pilot weapons because their primaries need to be compatible with the rifle grenade launcher and K-bullets, respectively. If they were made available to other classes earlier in the game's life cycle maybe something could have been done, but this was right near the end of development so the team just didn't have the resources to create a workaround. As a result, two were given to Assault and the rest were dumped on Support.
Ah right, I had forgotten about how the rifle grenades and K bullets might have affected it.
@@professormemsclass Yeah, my guess is that there's a lot of esoteric coding behind both gadgets that would need to be rewritten to make them work with the pistol carbines. The K-bullets especially. In case you're not aware, equipping K-bullets without a primary weapon (possible either through a pistol only server or the companion app) gives you a Russian 1895 that's missing both its sights and barrel, effectively looking like a bootleg Mare's Leg. It'd be funny if you gave it a mention in your Scout tier list.
I didn’t know that! Thank you so much!
Bro I’m hooked on these videos. Literally the reason why I redownloaded
Glad to hear it!
Chauchat is hands down my favorite support weapon, it just feels so damn good to fire. Great list!
22:02 SMR call of duty: black ops 2 zombies
Your narration is so similar to Nerrel! Very soothing, straight to the point and clear cut
Finally. Support may finally be an interesting class to me.
The Burton LMR is basically for people that really want to use an SMG but also want to play a support
“Man, I really love bayonets but Support has the coolest hats. If only there was… Oh? What’s this?”
28:45 “remember, switching magazines is always faster then reloading” Gaz mw1 2008
Now I cant wait for the scout episode, these tierlist are seriously well put together
I got my first service star with the Pieper today with ping that was (I’m not kidding) 1378.
Alabama internet really hits different
Yikes! Good job on the star though
@@professormemsclass thanks man! It was hell but it was worth it.
Jeez, nearly a second and a half of delay!
@@spoonmugen5599 oh it got worse, I was on like 15 minutes ago and it got to 3,000
@@herrflammen6487coming from West Virginia, I’m with you brother, I think the highest I’ve seen was 6000
The fact that I’m waiting for new BF1 videos to come out is top tier
I think the Burton should be A tier. Is the only support weapon with a bayonett.
The Burton Trench actually performs pretty well in CQC, from my experience. It’s usually my go-to for when I need to play support REALLY aggressively.
@@GreyTide512 I agree, and the recoil is not that bad even with a high RPM. Its a better SMG with anti aircraft bullets, my favorite gun in the class.
Your content rocks dude. Super entertaining, makes time fly by real fast. Your rating “style” is also really cool.
Glad to hear it!
The bully ost for the intro???? No way that’s fire
Just an extra thumbs up for using the SM64 sound font Black Hole Sun cover. Kudos.
As someone whose name is Mads, i really appreciated when you took the time to clarify the real pronunciation of the Madsen MG. Not many other youtubers would even consider looking into that.
S tier = Chadsen and Chauchad
F tier = Everything else
There’s just something about the machine guns in this game that makes you want to scream “LMG MOUNTED AND LOADED” whenever you use them
Amen
29:31
GgjwMaN23 knew what you were up to
Haha yeah shout out to him, he was cool in the chat
For those who don't know they added the tanker and pilot carbine's to the support and assault class in the final update just for fun. They weren't meant to be viable out side of pilot and tanker.
These videos are incredible, looking forward to the scout list!
Thanks!
My man has a crazy good music taste. Using both music from wii punch out AND mgrr deserves a sub for sure.
I find it interesting how your tier list contrasts with how mine would be if I made one. For reference, my best class is Assault, with Support second, however my best weapon is the lMG 08/18 Suppressive. All the guns you put in C tier would be in my A and S tier. I think the reason for the difference in opinion is because my mentality when using LMGs can basically be described as "haha, big gun go brrrt." Since you're playing Support, and thus effectively have unlimited ammo, accuracy through volume is a valid tactic, so I tend to gravitate toward high rate of fire and ammo capacity guns. I also find it incredibly fun to just hold down the trigger like a madman and fill the air with lead. (...I really hope that sentence doesn't put me on some kind of watchlist.)
For me, S tier would be the lMG 08/18, Parabellum, and BAR, and A tier would be the MG15, Madsen, and M1909.
Recently I feel like the Parabellum Low Weight has been overtaking the lMG 08/18 Suppressive in my eyes, and is also statistically better than the Parabellum Suppressive. The fact that Low Weight variants have superior spread reduction per shot compared to other variants, when combined with the Parabellum's high firing rate, means that the Parabellum Low Weight quickly gains accuracy with even just a short burst of fire. I find it best to use the AA sights on it, as the open sight picture makes the recoil less disruptive, and in close quarters you can just use hipfire and any enemy you look at for half a second gets deleted.
Also, Latin names are cool.
Fair perspective
I miss this game:( the beta with the boys on Sinai will always be a core memory of being a teenager. Played it consistently
Did I just watch you kill a tank by using the repair tool on it?
Had no clue that was a thing.
Yeah, it damages tanks, infinite ammo but more of a last resort than anything.
WE PRAISE YOU FUNNY MUSTACHE MAN FOR GRANTING US KNOWLEDGE OF VARIOUS FIREARMS IN BF1 THANK YOU
Haha my pleasure
I think the chauchat is probably my favorite out of all the lmgs in bf1
As someone who's got 8 service stars on the BAR M1918A2, I can confirm its a very fun weapon. Being able to switch fire rates on the fly, having a bipod and getting messages from people confused about the weapon is almost worth the useless pre-order I did for BFV
The Pieper seems more like it would fit as a medic rifle to me. I know it's technically for Tankers and Pilots, but if it were up to me I wouldn't have given it to the Support class of all groups. It makes a certain amount of sense, the Assault and Support classes all got access to the vehicle weapons a while ago, but a revolving rifle that behaves like a self-loader seems out of place next to machine pistols, sawed off shotguns, and pistol-caliber carbines.
The next one is going to be rough, I think. But I hope my beloved 1895 Trench would be a separate case due to its difference among the peers. And oh boy it slaps for that difference
26:00 ima be real with you chief, the Perino is one of my most used weapons in the game, (9 stars) and I am only now discovering this information.
Took me a while too, I just assumed it was like the M1917 haha
Im genuinely shocked that the Perino wasnt in S tier. Even without the bipod the recoil is nearly 0 and the reload is so cool, even without a scope its still great at longer ranges
Once again the peak of battlefield 1 content
The experience between the parabellum low weight and the suppressive is night and day.
There’s a neat reload with the M1909 when empty, you’ll sometimes see the soldier need to push the empty strip out, as if it got jammed.
This video is the reason I have been playing BF1 constantly for the last few weeks
Glad to hear it!
@@professormemsclass Yeah dude
Now I am drawing and putting all of your other videos in the background
The one about dynamic reloads is very cool
32:18 so that’s because the second to last patch of the game broke this animation and the autoloading 8 extended animation. They only fixed the autoloading 8 animation. Before that the charging handle would magically snap back and open the receiver for rounds, rather than the soldier manually opening it and covering the receiver. Same as the c96 sidearm variant
I’ve seen everybody give the benet mercie f tier, glad to see a different opinion
I'm sure you probably know this already, but if you don't, or for anyone else who maybe didn't play this game in the early days, the pistol carbines were originally intended for use only with the tanker and pilot classes. They're deliberately underpowered to discourage people from using tanks and planes as transports, using them only to get to a location, then abandoning them. I actually like this idea, and I wish they would've implemented a similar feature in BFV. It makes a ton of sense too, because these types of emergency defense guns would've typically been given to vehicle crews so that they wouldn't be completely defenseless in the event that they need to ditch their vehicle.
I hate that in BFV if you're a tanker or pilot and need to leave your vehicle, no matter what faction you're playing on, you're forced to use the Sten. It always just felt like an unfinished aspect of that game. At least later in BFV's life cycle they updated the tanker and pilot characters to kinda look like tankers and pilots, instead of default soldiers like they originally were... Okay I gotta stop now before I get too depressed thinking about how much potential Battlefield V still had before they stopped updating it.
you forgot to mention the amazing easter egg on the lMG 08 - if you reload the gun when you have exactly 21 rounds left you will hear toy music while you're cranking the wheel, and the melody is "pop goes the weasle"
I can appreciate the use of the Bully OST on a completely different game type
Good music is good music (especially useful if it doesn't get Content ID'd)
The Parabellum with the Pin-Down ability is insanely good. I have 10 battle stars with the Parabellum, it’s effectively an ancient version of the SAW. Using the low weight version you can completely suppress someone in just around 6 shots, and coupled with a decent sniper teammate…you effectively spot them, cause them to duck for cover, and then get sniped. Just a great combo that I find to be usable at nearly any range.
I LOVE THE M1917
when i played BF1 me and my friends usually played those game modes where one team attack and the other defends, and a lot of times the maps we ended up playing were open maps, so me (support) and my friend (sniper) had this tactic of going to the limit of the map then i exploded the ground using that magnetic bomb, essentially making a "trench", then we both started firing at the enemy position to suppress or just kill them.
11:13 the look back wondering why it didn’t explode killed me😂
Hahaha you noticed
While I don't agree with how you ranked some of the weapons I love the fact that you are still making content about this amazing game. Keep it up!
My opinions are just that, totally fine to disagree
29 service stars on Madsen lightweight. I just love the sound of the weapon and its pretty good in close quarters
I appreciate the fact that you appreciate Chauchat. *_Chugg_*_ intensifies_