@@NatureWheelsandHauls wife has the Tonale, she absolutely loves it, and I can confirm that it's a quite good vehicle to drive (at least compared to any other vehicle in the segment). It is a bit more than I wanted her to spend, but the price is justified compared to everything else we drove in that size / segment, it's a good vehicle, for what it is.
@@fpnbrian that’s the thing, the Tonale is good for what it is, I test drove one too and the wife loves it. But publication’s that drove both say the hornet’s noticeably worse in driving dynamics and chassis tuning across the board. Problem is people still see the hornet as the “cheaper Tonale “ so the crappier one ruins the image of both.
@@wb9504 which is why Alfa didn't want to share it with Dodge. It's been a long time coming that Dodge actually create their own chassis again. The last one they made themselves without borrowing from somebody else under their ownership umbrella was the Dakota chassis
And you have only so many people who are willing and able to pay 70, 80, 90K > dollars for a new truck or suv. The brands with the 25-35/40k dollar cars, trucks are the winners.
The most confusing thing is that this isn't even an Einstein moment. It should be glaringly obvious to these car manufacturers that the price of a new car is absurdly expensive. You'll never convince me that putting a 70-thousand dollar anchor on my feet is a better deal than the pain of paying 4-5k cash and putting a new engine in a car. It's not like these cars are gonna make me a sandwich and do the laundry.. so what is so special that they're 60-80k? That's a TON of money. In less than 6 months of a car payment, I'd be done paying off whatever repair I had to do to keep my existing car going. There's always gonna be a premium to buy something new, that's why it's new, but it's just robbery at this point. Unless you're rich, then there's only so much money to go around. At some point, these dealerships and manufacturers are gonna have to face reality.
Yes, it’s called inflation. Everything else has went up in price some 3 to 4 times the cost of pre 2020. You think cars would magically be immune to this issue. 😂
Most people do not realize that new car dealers are regulated by State Franchise Laws that are specific to their "industry". Those laws regulate the contractual obligations between manufacturers/dealers and often mandate that dealers have exclusive territories, make it difficult for manufacturers to terminate dealers and prohibit manufacturers from owning dealers.
A lot of times you see more on the lot because supply is just up, which can be more related to production. Wrangler sales are down about 10%. But as a 2021 Wrangler owner, I can say that it's hard to believe how much 2024 models cost.
Mopar parts prices are insane these days, even on common items for low-end vehicles like my 2017 Grand Caravan. Reliability down, maintenance costs up, prices through the roof? They might as well forget about new-car sales.
@@grahamstefaan True dat. It’s kind of junky (multiple brake jobs and an air conditioning repair after only 90,000 kilometers), but a great hauler with the seats down, and an epic highway cruiser.
They were bad for years and then Fiat! lol oof!! Edit: That said, I had a '97 made in Canada concorde. That was a fun car until the electrical issues at 130K. Too bad. That was a nice motor and easy to work on for a back-yard mechanic. Edit: Fun fact. Got the concorde in 2004 at a police auction. Drug repo from seattle. had it for 10 years and then got pulled over and got $240 ticket for front windows tinted too dark. The police literally sold me a car that was not legal and I got the ticket. whatever. i am over it. I'm fine.
@terryrodbourn2793 I saw one on fire on the highway once and the guy refused to stop for some reason. He had his whole family in there and all. Every Chrysler product I've interacted with has been bad. Saw a broke down Chrysler 200 two days ago with the driver sitting there.
I think its safe to say that car companies have lost their minds with prices on new cars going through the roof. That's why some are at the brink of bankruptcy .
When I first saw a Dodge Hornet at an auto show a few years ago I thought it might be a fun way to get an affordable Alfa, but they didn't come through on the affordable part.
Seems rather obvious that Stellantis is in the process of killing Chrysler, for whatever insane reason. None of it makes any sense! Even more amazing, is the fact that Carlos Tavares is still employed. I would think that stockholders would be screaming for his head on a pike. It's such a mess, that I think bankruptcy must be a high probability, or at least a consideration.
There is no way of blaming enything else but high price vs competition. If those cars were sold in the void the sales would have been much better. The government regulations started in 1960ties. Lots of car companies didn't survive those like Studebaker-Packard. Some got weakened enough to disappear in 1970ties like AMC bough by Chrysler. The same is today: the automakers are squeezed between suppliers price, auto trade unions labor cost, government emissions regulations. However the most important is the profit for shareholders. The latter is motivated by greed. As such the nearsightedness of leadership can drive companies into grave.
I agree with April, feel like I'm looking at a list of vehicles I'd go shopping for. I also feel like the market is changing. SUVs and trucks have had their run, people are looking for something else. Much like the minivan craze, the station wagon, etc - everything runs its course.
I don't know about the "SUVs and trucks" have had their run part. They continue to be the best-selling vehicles in America every year with the F150, Silverado, Ram, Rav4, and CRV topping the charts every year. The only thing is maybe folks are realizing that these 70-90k specialty versions of them make no sense, or it's absurd to spend that much on a car meant to be abused and used for tough tasks. And the dealers might be choosing to carry those versions and thus, they end up sitting on lots.
@@charlesdalton985 yeah they’re still selling well. Those 70k-90k trims like those high country, platinum, Laramie trims are sitting on lots while the mainstream versions likely sell in huge numbers. And then the RAV4s and CRVs sell like hot cakes.
Land Rover is interesting. I went to my local Land Rover dealer and they were 10 cars being prep for delivery. I would say the breakdown of those 10 were 5 Range Rover sport, 4 Range Rover, and 1 defender. The cheaper land rovers don’t really sell
I used to be a BIG Chrysler product fan. But no longer. I can't get into anything they are doing. It's sad. Oh well. I got my 2001 Chrysler Sebring Convertible Limited in the garage....
I work in the manufacturing industry but with food instead, we have planned shut downs every year to avoid making too much and creating waste. So that is the way they need to be going, along with improving brand image and reliability. All vehicles are astronomically overpriced for what they are, trucks especially I honestly don't know how they think they will continue selling to anyone but a business. The compact suv segment is gone nuts a loaded rav4 or similar size one is 45k plus tax and a warranty 50k for normal basic built small suv with a 4 cylinder is crazy.
It’s hard for businesses to afford trucks as well. I’m not replacing any of our fleet w/ new vehicles. I will buy the best used one I can find and deal w/ issues. It’s a no brainer as used ones are half, or less, than new.
@@toyota420xp which is distinct from, yet still shockingly similar to the 505hp 443 ft lb twin turbo 90° V6 the Stelvio Quadrifoglio uses, which the Grecale is heavily based on, and ~$15-20k cheaper
Maserati Grecale is basically an Alfa Romeo Stelvio, but more expensive. Why wouldn't you just buy the Alfa, except to say "hey, I've got a Maserati"? And that kind of person who would do that is probably already eyeball-deep in debt.
Stellantis is pausing production of the Fiat 500e, Automotive News Europe reported. The stoppage comes after slowing demand in the European market. Fiat has sold just 204 units of the 500e in the United States so far in 2024.
I passed on a Pontiac Aztec back in the day. They rotted on car lots for years. I could have bought a new one, with factory warranty, for $5,000. I still kick myself. Not because of the Aztec, it was a shared GM platform.. cheapest GM you could buy. It would probably still be my daily. LOL
Its pretty sad when the one vehicle that i feel isnt ridiculously overpriced is the base Corvette Stingray. Literally everything else is just too overpriced.
My belief about the insane new car prices is that they are subsidizing the EVs and the research the manufacturers are doing trying to keep ahead of government regulations
8:21 I have a 2020 Ford Escape Titanium. The 2.0 liter 4 cylinder is the Ecoboost. I didn't even think about the Lincoln. Rusty Eck Ford doesn't carry the Lincolns and I totally forgot about them. I kick myself a few times. Same price and way nicer inside.
Its all about corporate and shareholder greed. The prices went through the roof due to supply and demand around covid and supply chain issues. The manufacturers...all of them...have refused to lower their prices to meet the economical realities of the world economy as it is exists today. The only explanation is greed.
I'm in the New York area and I see acres of cars there's even some that are hiding them in extra lots it's ridiculous well their prices are just too high for normal working people
Market supply math using the Aviator as an example: 8,153 units currently available 935 units sold in the past 45 days 935 units sold / 45 days = 20.78 units sold per day 8,153 units currently available / 20.78 units sold per day = 392.35 day market supply
@@justin_time if you want laughs you would be disappointed, aside from the price tag, it's quite a decent vehicle. The only thing you're likely to laugh at is how they option them compared to the Tonale, which seems a lot more expensive until you realize the Hornet has a lot of options removed, and by the time they are all added back it's only a few hundred bucks cheaper than the Alfa which you can easily negotiate down at least that much.
Most of This is still a result of the chip shortage and the price explosion of 21/22, manufacturers prioritized large expensive cars with good profit margins at the expense of smaller cheaper cars. These decisions lag the actual market conditions so that’s why you get the boom bust cycle of car manufacturers. Most of these are bigger SUV’s, in a year or two this list will be mostly EV’s lol. The big expensive stuff isn’t selling when the average family is trying to cut back expenses because of the inflation run up and mostly stagnant wages. It takes like 3-5 years for a manufacturer to realign their products with market conditions.
Price, Price, Price $$$$$ People cannot afford a $100,000+ TURD. They have made cars so undependable and so expensive there is no-way I will ever buy a new car! If I'm in the market for a car, I'm looking at 3-5 years old at 1/3 of the price.
All the Kansas Simp does is complain and bitch about things. Nothing is ever a positive. Imagine living with someone so negative. Guess why know why his last wife cheated on him and left him.
In Pennsylvania Dodge Jeep Ram dealers can't stock non plug in ev vehicles. I wanted a two door Wrangler with the ice and had to special order, after 20 weeks at confirmed not even scheduled to be built I canceled and went to the Land Rover dealer and bought a Defender 90. Stellantis doesn't let dealers order what people want for inventory so you have to special order then they don't build it.
I recently read a story about a Las Vegas casino that was selling a game prize vehicle, it was a 2013 Mustang. The car was set up as a grand prize for a particular game in 2013, the game's grand prize averaged a win about every 6 months but people always took the cash equivalent. Brand-new condition with under 50 miles on the odometer but it was starting to rust. Maybe Hoovie could buy it!
People can't afford the vehicles today. Most of them are SUV's which are trucks and I, for one, don't want a truck. It will be interesting to see how the new Ford sedan looks and also the new Chevrolet Impala and Malibu.
The country that is gigantic and has states on average larger than entire European countries would love tiny cramped anemic 4 cylinders to travel the vast distances between population centers. Why do Europeans feel the need to run American car companies as if they are selling to European buyers. V6 in the charger to sell along side compact crossovers with euro styling, big SUV with a face that would be better suited in the swiss alps and not the back fields of the American countryside. Nissan understood the assignment with the new Armada but Stellantis cant seem to understand that America and Europe are different.
Blame government regulations just as much as stupid management decisions. They’re forced to use those engines to meet fleet wide emissions requirements.
@@Bob_Smith19 GM is spending over a billion dollars to develop the sixth generation small block V8. Stellantis is causing their own problems with $120k Jeeps and autos like the poorly built over priced Italian made Hornet.
The 2024 Dodge Hornet R/T is a plug-in hybrid that was built in Italy. It was released in the summer of 2023, meaning this "new model" is already well over one year old. It is currently priced at around $45,000. If Sellati's current "selling strategy" remains the same as you indicated (changing nothing) it means that its customers (victims?) would be buying brand new cars whose number one feature would be a huge amount of "lot rot"!
I have worked for toyota now for 26 years and the tundra and Tacoma are sitting more then ever now days so with so much inventory of them its getting crazy and not much others too choose from being low stock of Corollas Camry RAV4s and so on 🤦♂️
As a REAL GRAND WAGGONEER owner from the 1970s-80s I have to say that the new offerings are BUTT UGLY. Give me a 79 CHEROKEE SUPER CHIEF any time over the new POS.
Seems like all the manufacturers are waiting for the Fed to drop interest rates in the mistaken notion that will make the car loans for these over-priced cars more affordable to the masses. I suspect that is a losing proposition, as the interest rate drop will be too insignificant to make a difference to that average family. The car companies were able to jack the prices with the chip shortage and supply chain issues due to the pandemic and their leaders are under the impression that people will still pay those over-inflated prices. You can pretty much say goodbye to Stellantis in the US market. Jeep and Ram will be spun off to other companies with deeper pockets, while Dodge and Chrysler will go the way of the dodo bird.
My opinion is that the economy in conjuction with high interest rates is so bad that people just aren't buying high end products like cars and homes. As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
I’ve driven them, and Hornets drive great, and have a great interior. Where they missed the mark was building a car the same size as a compass for 7-8,000 more dollars. There just aren’t many people willing to drop 40k on a crossover. The ones that are willing to do that, aren’t going to a dodge store. There’s just no feasible way for dealers to overcome that.
I just finished watching, “One for the road” with my twelve year old. At the final credits he asked when is the next Car Trek season. He loves road trip content. Hoovie, keep the dream alive.
Stellantis decided they should market Jeeps to an "upscale" market. Traditional Jeep buyers were rough & tumble, modest budget, blue collar, are we seeing the disconnect yet?
My local Dodge dealer has 20 Hornets on the lot with the cheapest one at $38k and the rest priced $45-$50k! And to make it even more insane is that 6 of them were the ugly ass gold color.
My theory is that people who buy a "domestic" want it to be made in the USA with union labor. Stellantis closed Belvidere and have started a lot of problems with the American workforce. I have a 2018 Cherokee that's been an outstanding car; zero issues except a recall for fuel line routing where I had to take it in to have checked. I'm very good with maintenance, though as I've serviced the transmission, diff, coolant, etc. ahead of schedule.
These cars today have too much in them to justify the cost and don't hit the market of affordability. I would say the smaller trucks market is waiting and Subaru might hit it with a new Brat or Baha. Ford Rangers are full-size, Mazda doesn't sell trunks in the US, Toyota WHAT THE HELL make a truck like the late 80's early 90's small dependable engines fuel 30-45 MPG would make a killing in the market. If anyone made anything under 35k would make a killing with the entrust rate and fuel prices are killing car sales. There isn't any KIa on the list NOT SALING? Kia is my counter they had a bad reputation for being stolen and are not on this list they are hitting a low-price market.
I had a Dodge Intrepid once back in 1998. It was a company car and was one of the better such vehicles I had. I got it up to 118mph on a wide open road in west Texas one time and it was still climbing but a safety overide shut it down. I believe that car would have gone 130 or 135 left to its own devices!
AMC Hornet be it the 232, 258, 304 and 360 were all good cars but that isn't where they came from Ken you may be to young but Hornet was a Hudson years before the American Motors merger.
Stellantis decided they have all luxury brands now and priced accordingly. The market disagrees with them. Seems the market is winning on this standoff.
Car manufacturers, making cars that no one wants to buy. We saw the same thing happen here in Austraila from the mid 2000's. People stopped buying large sedans, but Ford and Holden (GM) kept on making them. I'm not saying that these were bad cars, it's just that people were starting to buy more SUVs and fuel efficient hatchbacks.
It's very funny that there's over 14k unsold Hornet. At the press release, Dodge was bragging they had 14k orders for the Hornet. Seems like they're all sitting.
I see hornets marked down $15k, jeep wranglers $18k. But look at the fine print. They’re still slow sellers. Afraid of buying one as the horror stories are pervasive especially 4xe. They need to pause, fire the ceo and cut the models
I'm working on a deal for an Ioniq 6 SEL with all the options. I swear that the price is 36 grand. That's what it takes to move cars these days - knock 15 grand off from the sticker.
So many boring vehicles right now. I will never own an electric vehicle. My wife loves her 2004 Jeep Wrangler Sport. Worth as much as we paid for it back in 2012. And I’m happy with my Nissan Frontier Pro X 4 2018. Probably will replace it the third generation of frontier.
The Hornet DOES drive really well, significantly better than a compass, HRV or CRV, and it feels much nicer inside than the HRV or CRV. We considered one last fall for my wife, she actually went with the Tonale because the Hornet's had really poor options available (for example; none were outfitted with front parking sensors, not a single one on any dealer lot in North America had front parking sensors!). She absolutely loves the car.
At least the dodge hornet is number 1 at something 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
1500 was sold last 45 days
I want one, I just wish I could afford one😕
@@NatureWheelsandHauls wife has the Tonale, she absolutely loves it, and I can confirm that it's a quite good vehicle to drive (at least compared to any other vehicle in the segment). It is a bit more than I wanted her to spend, but the price is justified compared to everything else we drove in that size / segment, it's a good vehicle, for what it is.
@@fpnbrian that’s the thing, the Tonale is good for what it is, I test drove one too and the wife loves it. But publication’s that drove both say the hornet’s noticeably worse in driving dynamics and chassis tuning across the board. Problem is people still see the hornet as the “cheaper Tonale “ so the crappier one ruins the image of both.
@@wb9504 which is why Alfa didn't want to share it with Dodge.
It's been a long time coming that Dodge actually create their own chassis again. The last one they made themselves without borrowing from somebody else under their ownership umbrella was the Dakota chassis
Car prices have run far ahead of people's wages. It's no surprise to me that car sales are struggling.
I agree 1000%
And you have only so many people who are willing and able to pay 70, 80, 90K > dollars for a new truck or suv. The brands with the 25-35/40k dollar cars, trucks are the winners.
The most confusing thing is that this isn't even an Einstein moment. It should be glaringly obvious to these car manufacturers that the price of a new car is absurdly expensive. You'll never convince me that putting a 70-thousand dollar anchor on my feet is a better deal than the pain of paying 4-5k cash and putting a new engine in a car. It's not like these cars are gonna make me a sandwich and do the laundry.. so what is so special that they're 60-80k? That's a TON of money. In less than 6 months of a car payment, I'd be done paying off whatever repair I had to do to keep my existing car going. There's always gonna be a premium to buy something new, that's why it's new, but it's just robbery at this point. Unless you're rich, then there's only so much money to go around. At some point, these dealerships and manufacturers are gonna have to face reality.
Yes, it’s called inflation. Everything else has went up in price some 3 to 4 times the cost of pre 2020.
You think cars would magically be immune to this issue. 😂
@@jasonknight5863 its called joe biden
A family friend sold his Dodge/Jeep/Ram dealer a year ago. Saw the writing on the wall back then.
Using a European mindset to sell cars in the USA is a stupid way of doing things. Stellantis doesn't give a fudge about Dodge.
Even less about Chrysler. Jeep and Ram is the only ones they half care about.
Or the horrible European style vehicles they are all pushing on us
My opinion is that Everything is over priced
We can thank the unions for that
That’s not an opinion that’s literally a fact
And my opinion is that grass is green and the sky is blue. Way to step out on a limb on that hot take.
*fact
@@jimmysuperduty1484 wow why hate fellow Americans? A number of plants are non union.
The way Stellantis responded to dealerships recently is giving me K-Mart/Sears vibes.
Ignorance and overconfidence before the big collapse.
I worked for SS Kresge then K mart and finally Sears Holdings for 44 years and Sir you are spot on.
This is a perfect analogy. Ignoring the competition, ignoring the customers, and believing you’re too big to fail.
The whole dealership system in the US is corrupt. Markups and mandatory addons. Now its payback time. No mercy.
Look at their massive buildings in every city across the country, rich or poor, populated or not.
Struggle is long overdue
We had to pay $1500 for a special paint protection add on. Toyota dealer, Rav 4.
The sales guy tacitly admitted it was just a mark up.
Most people do not realize that new car dealers are regulated by State Franchise Laws that are specific to their "industry". Those laws regulate the contractual obligations between manufacturers/dealers and often mandate that dealers have exclusive territories, make it difficult for manufacturers to terminate dealers and prohibit manufacturers from owning dealers.
Payback's a bitch !!!
There is Dodge/Jeep/Ram dealer near my house that is overflowing with new Wranglers and Ram trucks. It's looked like that for a year.
A lot of times you see more on the lot because supply is just up, which can be more related to production. Wrangler sales are down about 10%. But as a 2021 Wrangler owner, I can say that it's hard to believe how much 2024 models cost.
Stellantis is airballing badly 😂
Mopar parts prices are insane these days, even on common items for low-end vehicles like my 2017 Grand Caravan. Reliability down, maintenance costs up, prices through the roof? They might as well forget about new-car sales.
Plus discontinued the Hemi. They have no idea what people want.
Thats not a low end car. Its an epic man cave.
@@grahamstefaan True dat. It’s kind of junky (multiple brake jobs and an air conditioning repair after only 90,000 kilometers), but a great hauler with the seats down, and an epic highway cruiser.
Chrysler has been a trainwreck long before Stellantis took over.
They were bad for years and then Fiat! lol oof!!
Edit: That said, I had a '97 made in Canada concorde. That was a fun car until the electrical issues at 130K. Too bad. That was a nice motor and easy to work on for a back-yard mechanic.
Edit: Fun fact. Got the concorde in 2004 at a police auction. Drug repo from seattle. had it for 10 years and then got pulled over and got $240 ticket for front windows tinted too dark. The police literally sold me a car that was not legal and I got the ticket. whatever. i am over it. I'm fine.
I had a Dodge SUV Journey and had for 3 years with zero engine problem and only one nail in a tire flaring it!
@terryrodbourn2793 I saw one on fire on the highway once and the guy refused to stop for some reason. He had his whole family in there and all.
Every Chrysler product I've interacted with has been bad. Saw a broke down Chrysler 200 two days ago with the driver sitting there.
American tax payers agreee. Twice
I think its safe to say that car companies have lost their minds with prices on new cars going through the roof. That's why some are at the brink of bankruptcy .
Something is gotta give: some automakers will succumb unable to adapt to new market realities.
When I first saw a Dodge Hornet at an auto show a few years ago I thought it might be a fun way to get an affordable Alfa, but they didn't come through on the affordable part.
You're better off with a comfortable pair of shoes instead.
Seems rather obvious that Stellantis is in the process of killing Chrysler, for whatever insane reason. None of it makes any sense! Even more amazing, is the fact that Carlos Tavares is still employed. I would think that stockholders would be screaming for his head on a pike. It's such a mess, that I think bankruptcy must be a high probability, or at least a consideration.
There is no way of blaming enything else but high price vs competition. If those cars were sold in the void the sales would have been much better. The government regulations started in 1960ties. Lots of car companies didn't survive those like Studebaker-Packard. Some got weakened enough to disappear in 1970ties like AMC bough by Chrysler. The same is today: the automakers are squeezed between suppliers price, auto trade unions labor cost, government emissions regulations. However the most important is the profit for shareholders. The latter is motivated by greed. As such the nearsightedness of leadership can drive companies into grave.
I agree with April, feel like I'm looking at a list of vehicles I'd go shopping for. I also feel like the market is changing. SUVs and trucks have had their run, people are looking for something else. Much like the minivan craze, the station wagon, etc - everything runs its course.
I don't know about the "SUVs and trucks" have had their run part. They continue to be the best-selling vehicles in America every year with the F150, Silverado, Ram, Rav4, and CRV topping the charts every year. The only thing is maybe folks are realizing that these 70-90k specialty versions of them make no sense, or it's absurd to spend that much on a car meant to be abused and used for tough tasks. And the dealers might be choosing to carry those versions and thus, they end up sitting on lots.
@@KNRS927 Fair point. I should have written “starting to change”. I think that may state it better.
@@charlesdalton985 yeah they’re still selling well. Those 70k-90k trims like those high country, platinum, Laramie trims are sitting on lots while the mainstream versions likely sell in huge numbers. And then the RAV4s and CRVs sell like hot cakes.
Land Rover is interesting. I went to my local Land Rover dealer and they were 10 cars being prep for delivery. I would say the breakdown of those 10 were 5 Range Rover sport, 4 Range Rover, and 1 defender. The cheaper land rovers don’t really sell
The Acura ZDX is made by Chevy! I’m pretty sure it’s a E Blazer with Acura styling. Bad idea!
ZDX is made in the Lyriq factory. The Lyriq is selling quite well.
I used to be a BIG Chrysler product fan. But no longer. I can't get into anything they are doing. It's sad. Oh well. I got my 2001 Chrysler Sebring Convertible Limited in the garage....
Nice show guys !! I enjoyed it..
The Kansas Simp is always good for a laugh‼️
I've read where those new Wagoneers have been in the shop over a year to get fixed..
I work in the manufacturing industry but with food instead, we have planned shut downs every year to avoid making too much and creating waste. So that is the way they need to be going, along with improving brand image and reliability. All vehicles are astronomically overpriced for what they are, trucks especially I honestly don't know how they think they will continue selling to anyone but a business. The compact suv segment is gone nuts a loaded rav4 or similar size one is 45k plus tax and a warranty 50k for normal basic built small suv with a 4 cylinder is crazy.
It’s hard for businesses to afford trucks as well. I’m not replacing any of our fleet w/ new vehicles. I will buy the best used one I can find and deal w/ issues. It’s a no brainer as used ones are half, or less, than new.
Grecale Trofeo is powered by a 523-horsepower 457 torqueV6 based on the Maserati MC20 Nettuno engine.
@@toyota420xp which is distinct from, yet still shockingly similar to the 505hp 443 ft lb twin turbo 90° V6 the Stelvio Quadrifoglio uses, which the Grecale is heavily based on, and ~$15-20k cheaper
New Camry is.$30,000 and will last 10 years....
Every time April says right take a shot 🥃😂😂😂😂
@Good_MorningTH-camAT2 if your not slobbering we got nothing to talk about scammer S.M.D get a job
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From an Altima CVT failure straight into a Hornet; the wild life.
The Aviator comes with a twin turbo 3.0 that puts out 400 ho. They dropped the hybrid last year.
😂😂the way it ended! Perfect April
I don´t see many Alfa Romeo Tonale here in Netherlands either.
Maserati Grecale is basically an Alfa Romeo Stelvio, but more expensive. Why wouldn't you just buy the Alfa, except to say "hey, I've got a Maserati"? And that kind of person who would do that is probably already eyeball-deep in debt.
Look how much they depreciate on autotrader and your eyes will water
@@Gordanovich02 agreed, absolutely no reason not to buy the Stelvio over the Grecale except to brag you bought the Maserati.
Same thing goes with Yukon and escalade, Audi RSQ8 and urus, Lexus and Toyota.
A Maserati with a 2l turbo??? No wonder they are not selling!
It’s 100% price. How does April not see that?
7 yrs at a Stellantis dealership. I share his precise sentiments.
Stellantis is pausing production of the Fiat 500e, Automotive News Europe reported. The stoppage comes after slowing demand in the European market. Fiat has sold just 204 units of the 500e in the United States so far in 2024.
The Hornet/Toenail twins were such a mistake. WOW!
I passed on a Pontiac Aztec back in the day. They rotted on car lots for years. I could have bought a new one, with factory warranty, for $5,000. I still kick myself. Not because of the Aztec, it was a shared GM platform.. cheapest GM you could buy. It would probably still be my daily. LOL
Walter White ended up buying it instead.
Its pretty sad when the one vehicle that i feel isnt ridiculously overpriced is the base Corvette Stingray. Literally everything else is just too overpriced.
You can get any type of car with any type of engine you want as long as you want a 2.0 liter Turbo charged 4 cylinder!!!
My belief about the insane new car prices is that they are subsidizing the EVs and the research the manufacturers are doing trying to keep ahead of government regulations
8:21 I have a 2020 Ford Escape Titanium. The 2.0 liter 4 cylinder is the Ecoboost. I didn't even think about the Lincoln. Rusty Eck Ford doesn't carry the Lincolns and I totally forgot about them. I kick myself a few times. Same price and way nicer inside.
Is there another massive government buyout/cash infusion coming?
Its all about corporate and shareholder greed. The prices went through the roof due to supply and demand around covid and supply chain issues. The manufacturers...all of them...have refused to lower their prices to meet the economical realities of the world economy as it is exists today. The only explanation is greed.
Love my Discovery Sport, but the prices are too high.
Pretty popular in Europe though.
I'm in the New York area and I see acres of cars there's even some that are hiding them in extra lots it's ridiculous well their prices are just too high for normal working people
Market supply math using the Aviator as an example:
8,153 units currently available
935 units sold in the past 45 days
935 units sold / 45 days = 20.78 units sold per day
8,153 units currently available / 20.78 units sold per day = 392.35 day market supply
Can you both do a car review on a Dodge Hornet just for laughs?
@@justin_time if you want laughs you would be disappointed, aside from the price tag, it's quite a decent vehicle. The only thing you're likely to laugh at is how they option them compared to the Tonale, which seems a lot more expensive until you realize the Hornet has a lot of options removed, and by the time they are all added back it's only a few hundred bucks cheaper than the Alfa which you can easily negotiate down at least that much.
Most of This is still a result of the chip shortage and the price explosion of 21/22, manufacturers prioritized large expensive cars with good profit margins at the expense of smaller cheaper cars. These decisions lag the actual market conditions so that’s why you get the boom bust cycle of car manufacturers. Most of these are bigger SUV’s, in a year or two this list will be mostly EV’s lol. The big expensive stuff isn’t selling when the average family is trying to cut back expenses because of the inflation run up and mostly stagnant wages. It takes like 3-5 years for a manufacturer to realign their products with market conditions.
Who would have thought that making only trucks and suvs would be a poor strategy.
I live in Canada . A local radio promo for a local Dodge dealership . 22000 off Ram 1500 , 18000 off Gladiator and 14000 off Wangler .
Price, Price, Price $$$$$ People cannot afford a $100,000+ TURD. They have made cars so undependable and so expensive there is no-way I will ever buy a new car! If I'm in the market for a car, I'm looking at 3-5 years old at 1/3 of the price.
Good morning. Why the doom and gloom?
All the Kansas Simp does is complain and bitch about things. Nothing is ever a positive. Imagine living with someone so negative. Guess why know why his last wife cheated on him and left him.
My local Maserati dealer still has 4 new Grecales. They're offering up to $23k off MSRP but still no takers.
In Pennsylvania Dodge Jeep Ram dealers can't stock non plug in ev vehicles. I wanted a two door Wrangler with the ice and had to special order, after 20 weeks at confirmed not even scheduled to be built I canceled and went to the Land Rover dealer and bought a Defender 90. Stellantis doesn't let dealers order what people want for inventory so you have to special order then they don't build it.
chrysler/dodge dealers still making lots of money from service department
I recently read a story about a Las Vegas casino that was selling a game prize vehicle, it was a 2013 Mustang. The car was set up as a grand prize for a particular game in 2013, the game's grand prize averaged a win about every 6 months but people always took the cash equivalent. Brand-new condition with under 50 miles on the odometer but it was starting to rust. Maybe Hoovie could buy it!
Rust? Inside a casino? In Las Vegas? C’mon man!!
@@RichieRichpobutproudIt's a Ford.
@@RichieRichpobutproud AC can cause high humidity. The pictures showed small rust bubble were shown to starting to form.
It's probably the aluminum parts that corrode between the panel and the paint. Fairly common on the Mustangs and other Ford aluminum parts.
Just for fun, I was on the Hornet configurater yesterday. You can build one, trim and packages, not accessories, to $54,000
Dodge dealer near me has $12-13k off MSRP on Hornets.
But it’s still a Hornet. 😂
People can't afford the vehicles today. Most of them are SUV's which are trucks and I, for one, don't want a truck. It will be interesting to see how the new Ford sedan looks and also the new Chevrolet Impala and Malibu.
That Acura has a hearse vibe going on with the back top
Lincoln is supposedly going to cull some dealers unless they turn them into coffee shop, Lincoln showrooms.
How do you get those numbers?
The country that is gigantic and has states on average larger than entire European countries would love tiny cramped anemic 4 cylinders to travel the vast distances between population centers. Why do Europeans feel the need to run American car companies as if they are selling to European buyers. V6 in the charger to sell along side compact crossovers with euro styling, big SUV with a face that would be better suited in the swiss alps and not the back fields of the American countryside. Nissan understood the assignment with the new Armada but Stellantis cant seem to understand that America and Europe are different.
If the Hornet was $10k less like it should be, they’d be selling them like crazy.
Blame government regulations just as much as stupid management decisions. They’re forced to use those engines to meet fleet wide emissions requirements.
@@Bob_Smith19 GM is spending over a billion dollars to develop the sixth generation small block V8. Stellantis is causing their own problems with $120k Jeeps and autos like the poorly built over priced Italian made Hornet.
I drove the wagoneer and it felt nice, It had the hemi so it sounded nice. The electrical stuff that happened made me know its a lease only vehicle.
You can only scam people for so long, and calling these vehicles is a scam
The interest rate cut may bump sales up a bit.
JUST walked away from a Levante deal with mandatory add ons they wouldn't remove.
The 2024 Dodge Hornet R/T is a plug-in hybrid that was built in Italy. It was released in the summer of 2023, meaning this "new model" is already well over one year old. It is currently priced at around $45,000. If Sellati's current "selling strategy" remains the same as you indicated (changing nothing) it means that its customers (victims?) would be buying brand new cars whose number one feature would be a huge amount of "lot rot"!
I have worked for toyota now for 26 years and the tundra and Tacoma are sitting more then ever now days so with so much inventory of them its getting crazy and not much others too choose from being low stock of Corollas Camry RAV4s and so on 🤦♂️
Once there was the Edsel, now the modern version is the Hornet. 🧐
As a REAL GRAND WAGGONEER owner from the 1970s-80s I have to say that the new offerings are BUTT UGLY. Give me a 79 CHEROKEE SUPER CHIEF any time over the new POS.
Just tried Google search why is she blocked
Seems like all the manufacturers are waiting for the Fed to drop interest rates in the mistaken notion that will make the car loans for these over-priced cars more affordable to the masses. I suspect that is a losing proposition, as the interest rate drop will be too insignificant to make a difference to that average family. The car companies were able to jack the prices with the chip shortage and supply chain issues due to the pandemic and their leaders are under the impression that people will still pay those over-inflated prices. You can pretty much say goodbye to Stellantis in the US market. Jeep and Ram will be spun off to other companies with deeper pockets, while Dodge and Chrysler will go the way of the dodo bird.
Maserati is so unreliable as a brand that I’m not surprised they are selling so badly
The Lincoln dealer next to my house looks preposterous, it’s like an abandoned lot of brand new cars
My opinion is that the economy in conjuction with high interest rates is so bad that people just aren't buying high end products like cars and homes. As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
I’ve driven them, and Hornets drive great, and have a great interior. Where they missed the mark was building a car the same size as a compass for 7-8,000 more dollars. There just aren’t many people willing to drop 40k on a crossover. The ones that are willing to do that, aren’t going to a dodge store. There’s just no feasible way for dealers to overcome that.
Prices of new cars are getting way out of hands. A camry is priced same as a luxury cars few years ago would sell for!!!
I liked the Dodge Caliber styling. On the outside.
I just finished watching, “One for the road” with my twelve year old. At the final credits he asked when is the next Car Trek season. He loves road trip content. Hoovie, keep the dream alive.
Stellantis decided they should market Jeeps to an "upscale" market. Traditional Jeep buyers were rough & tumble, modest budget, blue collar, are we seeing the disconnect yet?
My local Dodge dealer has 20 Hornets on the lot with the cheapest one at $38k and the rest priced $45-$50k! And to make it even more insane is that 6 of them were the ugly ass gold color.
This is obviously on purpose, it may take a few years to know exactly why.
War time stockpiling?
My theory is that people who buy a "domestic" want it to be made in the USA with union labor. Stellantis closed Belvidere and have started a lot of problems with the American workforce. I have a 2018 Cherokee that's been an outstanding car; zero issues except a recall for fuel line routing where I had to take it in to have checked. I'm very good with maintenance, though as I've serviced the transmission, diff, coolant, etc. ahead of schedule.
These cars today have too much in them to justify the cost and don't hit the market of affordability. I would say the smaller trucks market is waiting and Subaru might hit it with a new Brat or Baha. Ford Rangers are full-size, Mazda doesn't sell trunks in the US, Toyota WHAT THE HELL make a truck like the late 80's early 90's small dependable engines fuel 30-45 MPG would make a killing in the market. If anyone made anything under 35k would make a killing with the entrust rate and fuel prices are killing car sales.
There isn't any KIa on the list NOT SALING? Kia is my counter they had a bad reputation for being stolen and are not on this list they are hitting a low-price market.
They have practically doubled the prices over the last few years. Most of us can't afford these high priced vehicles.
I drove a Dodge caliber once. It was the worst car I've ever driven.
I had a Dodge Intrepid once back in 1998. It was a company car and was one of the better such vehicles I had. I got it up to 118mph on a wide open road in west Texas one time and it was still climbing but a safety overide shut it down. I believe that car would have gone 130 or 135 left to its own devices!
You haven't driven a Mitsubishi Mirage yet!
April, you’re too young to remember. Hornet was a AMC Poop box car. Reusing the name is like Ford branding a car the Pinto
I call it the Dodge HORNY....
AMC Hornet be it the 232, 258, 304 and 360 were all good cars but that isn't where they came from Ken you may be to young but Hornet was a Hudson years before the American Motors merger.
Stellantis decided they have all luxury brands now and priced accordingly. The market disagrees with them. Seems the market is winning on this standoff.
The list is getting longer because prices are too high and U.S. consumers are protesting that by not buying.
April says the cutest most random things. “If we stole one they would t even notice because they have so many of them.” 😂
I’ll agree that that’s random, but cute? Stop trying so hard, simp.
And they’d probably be ecstatic with the insurance settlement.
The last line was the best from April.
Love ❤️ you both!
Car manufacturers, making cars that no one wants to buy. We saw the same thing happen here in Austraila from the mid 2000's. People stopped buying large sedans, but Ford and Holden (GM) kept on making them. I'm not saying that these were bad cars, it's just that people were starting to buy more SUVs and fuel efficient hatchbacks.
It's very funny that there's over 14k unsold Hornet. At the press release, Dodge was bragging they had 14k orders for the Hornet. Seems like they're all sitting.
Demuro is running circles around you, get your act together Hoovinald
I see hornets marked down $15k, jeep wranglers $18k. But look at the fine print. They’re still slow sellers. Afraid of buying one as the horror stories are pervasive especially 4xe. They need to pause, fire the ceo and cut the models
I just sold a yellow kia seltos sx we had for over 425 days. Lost a bit of money but it's finally gone!!
I'm working on a deal for an Ioniq 6 SEL with all the options. I swear that the price is 36 grand. That's what it takes to move cars these days - knock 15 grand off from the sticker.
So many boring vehicles right now. I will never own an electric vehicle. My wife loves her 2004 Jeep Wrangler Sport. Worth as much as we paid for it back in 2012. And I’m happy with my Nissan Frontier Pro X 4 2018. Probably will replace it the third generation of frontier.
The Hornet DOES drive really well, significantly better than a compass, HRV or CRV, and it feels much nicer inside than the HRV or CRV. We considered one last fall for my wife, she actually went with the Tonale because the Hornet's had really poor options available (for example; none were outfitted with front parking sensors, not a single one on any dealer lot in North America had front parking sensors!). She absolutely loves the car.