Sorry but Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep is worse than any foreign car. It doesn't sell because those who set foot in a Dodge dealership do not have the pockets for Italian prices and those who do would never set foot in a Dodge dealership. Go put a FORD badge on a $120k BMW M5, sit it at the Ford dealership for $30k less, and see what happens... This happens.
25k??? Do you know what this car offers STANDARD ? If it started at 25k, it COULDNT be awd ,COULDNT have 295 pound feet of torque. Could NOT Have a 10.1 touch screen and 12in gauge cluster all standard. That’s the purpose of this car. It starts at 31k. That’s PERFECT
@@Natethegreat200c all wheel drive is a rip off, learn how to drive in the snow. It's not that hard. I don't want an iPad on my dash, and I no longer need a car to go fast to feel like a man. $31k is not "perfect."
@@raymond_sycamore I have two of the same car. One awd and one front. There’s no rip off , there’s no comparison. The awd is STELLAR is a BEAST. Period. There are some places in this country where 2WD cars wont be permitted to drive on that road. There are roads that require awd. They specifically said no 2WD with snow tires. I forget what road that was but it had a hill. It’s not about having a fast car to feel like a man LMAO it’s about being able to pass, get out in traffic , and have fun. Why would you need passing power to feel like a man? What’s wrong with your thought process? lol If you don’t want tech in your car stop watching new car videos … you’re just hating just to hate. And these new cars are better than whatever you drive. 31k for what you get is perfect. That’s a fact
I work at a dodge dealer as a porter. These cars come from factory with Christmas lights on the dash and you would even be lucky if they turned on after 2 days of not being driven.
The company I work for handles battery and tire services on stellantis vehicles at the railyard where they get offloaded for shipping to the dealers, and they are a goddamn nightmare. Far too many getting pushed off the railcar by hand since they won't even start with a boost or new battery, had one that wouldn't shut off, error codes galore... Now that we are getting the Fiat 500e, signs are looking similarly bad or even worse for them
thats the price they should be, 30-35 thousand for loaded models. the problem is dealerships now want to make 100% profit. making $10k or $15K a vehicle is no longer acceptable to them, they want to make $25K profit each vehicle
Here in Texas, new Dodge Hornets are discounted 10k off MSRP because no one's buying them. A discounted new Hornet is cheaper than a new Corolla (that's not discounted at all)
@theguy4615 I just looked them up in area and they were starting at 40k. I didn't see any discounts. I hate haggling.for a car, just give me a good price no gimmicks and games.
I drove a Hornet rental from Avis when in San Diego. 951 miles on the clock, basically new. Died on me 70 miles away up in the Inland Empire on the desert. Tow truck driver says he picks Hornets up all the time - considers them junk. Hard pass.
@@7SUK1 You right. Following this thread, I have asked him. It was 2010 Dodge Caliber SXT Plus which served him 12 years. After it he got Hornet G/T. The R/T badge was attached "just because he is fan of Dodge R/T muscle cars". So...... let's see how long it will be running.
The reason it's not selling? Stellantis... The only company with a worse reputation that Boeing. And it has a cheap econobox look from the B-pillar back that belies its MSRP.
It doesn't sell because people who set foot in a Dodge dealership do not pay Italian prices and those who do would never set foot in a Dodge dealership.
Yep, Americans don't buy Italian made cars. They should know better by now lol. Just look how that little 500 sold. Even the 124 failed miserably. They just shut down production on the new 500e as it too isn't selling.
@@JM811Cars Italians and French are the same when they share their tech with others. They just use the lowest quality stuff for the foreign brands, Vauxhall/Opel cars are so much worse quality wise than Peugeot/DS/Citroens same goes for Alfa/Dodge.
You must be a paid PR rep for stalantis. That car will cost anyone who buys it a fortune. A). it'll depreciate like a huge Stone in Lake Erie. B), it will have questionable reliability issues. And C.) it'll probably no longer be sold soon. Anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex would stay away from that thing, no matter how fun it is to drive when it's brand new.
I know, right? The key is to look at the front plate of this demo...Apple Autos. He is selling THIS car. Why would he bash it? Talk about conflict of interest.
Yes, it's probably impossible to do DIY service and will start to fall apart 5 minutes after the 5 year warranty runs out. Leasing a car that has no resale value means you're paying the bulk of the cost of the car to lease it.
Not a shill for Dodge, but have you checked the current prices of the Hornet? I thought they were over priced, but after watching this video, I looked at my local dealers. Even the one dealer known for insane mark-ups is selling them for $27,000. A lease would be even less, but a lease is just renting a vehicle.
Dodge actually based on the Mercedes platforms, and these last decades. We have 1969 Charger, in great condition, weekends driven... this thing is 50 years old. And I have '14 R/T as daily and my bro '12 SRT as daily.
I don’t think I will ever buy a new car again. Losing money immediately, having to deal with the dealerships to get service, worrying about scratches, dents and dings, having a car payment and expensive insurance. I’m just sticking to cheap old cars I can work on myself. I spent a lot of money buying cars before I learned my lesson. So even if they priced new cars at $25k, I really don’t want them. Even putting a bit of money to repair a used car is worth it to me.
Four years ago, I bought a 2010 Lacrosse v6 3.0 with 37 thousand miles for ten grand out the door. It was garage kept and well maintained. I have put back brakes new plugs and coils. I had one coil go bad, so I changed all of them. And I put a new temp sensor and oil changes. The car runs and drives like new, I now have 57 thousand on it, money well spent. I could sell the car for what I have in it right now. NEVER BUY NEW unless you are rich and have too much money.
@@Chip-hm3ny I was buying Corvette, Lexus, a Mach 1 Mustang, Infiniti and Subaru. Living it up within a 5-10 year period. Then the career I was in changed up after covid. I saw things going downhill and sold my new car then I got laid off. I used to buy old cars and fix them up, sell it and get another. 2-3 cars a year usually. It was fine with cheap cars but when I started making good money I scaled up and threw away so much money. Now my project is an 89 Cadillac which is much more reasonable. 07 Toyota Yaris for a daily. No car payments and cheap insurance. Out of necessity and lack of income I'll probably just keep what I have now and maintain them as long as possible. Maybe one day buy a used Lexus.
As someone that has a 97 GMC Sierra it doesn't matter if it cost $5,000 to get it fixed, it's still cheaper than buying a new vehicle and more economical.
Here in Italy the Tonales (they're built in the same factory) are falling apart. And I'm sorry to say, but the overall quality is far less appealing than what has been displayed in this video. Don't make a bad mistake, don't buy this pile of crap...
It's a Stellantis/Alfa issue right now. Lack of reliability in all their products since they released this vehicle. And now banks are not financing these things unless you have a big down payment because of the reliability issues and how quickly they depreciate. To top it all off, look and see what Stellantis is doing to Dodge/Chrysler right now, they could no longer be a brand in a year or two.
Agree. Went to Columbus Ohio ( about 30 miles north of me) to look at a Stelvio, and the dealer was shut down. No warning, like go to work and there is a sign on the door type of thing. TONS of vehicles on the lot but dealer closed doors locked. All cars there were to go to Cleveland or Cincinnati. The Dodge dealership COULD sell me one ( same dealer) and his Alfa service tech stayed at the Dodge side. They could do maintenance work, but any warranty or recall work would have to be done in Cincinnati or Cleveland. The Hornet being the exception, but a no go on the Tonale. I believe this is a Stellantis/environment problem. Perhaps the Government here demanding electric only vehicles, when the market, infrastructure and common sense doesn't support that. Combine poor management and cost cutting from Stellantis, AND poor government policies and you get this.
I suspect Dodge and Chrysler will be gone within 3 years, Alfa and Fiat are already on the way out of the US. but Stellantis only ever wanted Ram and Jeep out of the deal. The FCA/PSA merger completely fucked the US market, no improvement in reliability, no Puegeot or DS coming to the US market, PSA just wanted Ram and Jeep and is killing off the rest.
100% agree, this was ABSOLUTELY a paid review. This thing isn’t selling because it’s straight trash and I actually like (and have owned) many Dodge vehicles.
Dude completely refused to point out the ParkSense malfunction and the clunking at 3:04 like it’s so obviously a paid promo 😭 this thing is a turd on wheels
Same, but I actually think this is a nice vehicle. Fiat didn't help Chrysler on the quality/reliability ratings though - that's where Chrysler needs to focus its efforts!
@@mrvwbug4423 You are correct about the size. For sheer quality, get a Mazda CX-5. If you want to match the Hornet's acceleration get the turbo version; however, I'm happy with my non turbo that still gets me to 60 fast enough at 8 seconds and I'm constantly seeing upper 30s in the mpg department.
I thought about buying one of these. Then I went to the Hornet Owners Reddit. Every other post was about how to get a lawyer to force the dealership to buy it back. I went to a dealership to look at one and the dealer hadn't been doing the maintenance on them the owners manual requires. These things are snake bit.
Almost every car I have ever owned (11 since 1979) was from the first year after a model change, and only one had any early model build/reliability/quality issues. VW (2), Honda (2), Toyota (2), Ford (4) & one KIA. Well, 2 of the Fords were really Mazdas: a Probe (626) and an Escort (Protoge/3).
@@Natethegreat200c It's not just the first batch with any mopar product. I had a 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, 2nd year even and the transmission blew up at 30k miles, took them 2 weeks to source a warranty replacement, and it had lots of little electrical problems the entire time I owned it, traded it in before the powertrain warranty expired. It's a shame because other than the issues, it was a good vehicle, a compact crossover with legit off road capability (a real low range, full skidplates and an honest to god rear locker). Also one of the few compact crossovers that came with a V6.
@@jefferydossett4733 More like the thousands of Dealers who could make more profit off SUVs than sedans and sub-compacts, same reason we see so few color choices on them, Dealers only order what they know they can sell.
I used to work in a dodge dealership. When they first came to the lot lights was already on. By the time more was coming in all of them couldn’t start for nothing
I'm 71. I was introduced to Alphas when I was 16. It died within 100 miles and ended up getting traded for a barracuda. I don't see that they have improved significantly from then. I just have one ? How TF much did they pay you to make this commercial?
alfas are very good cars now, look insanely good, perform great and their reliability got better, they’re no worse than any other average car company like volkswagen or peugeot or ford tbh
@@costaskl6589 I appreciate your point. But I am unimpressed with the reliability of any of those brands. Pretty much all brands today are both overpriced and recalled several times. Poor quality pervades the industry
1. It's overpriced 2. They didn't listen and built something that nobody wanted. Drop about 15k off the price and these will fly off the lot, their target customers can't afford this good or not.
How can you get one used for $28000 if they didn’t sell new… If you do find one used, one must ask why? It’s not like the rental companies are buying these to turn in a year or so….
I think car companies set themselves up for failure when they name a vehicle after beloved vehicle from yesteryear. It just upsets people that remember and expect a legit sequel.
I don't know anybody who liked the original Hornet. I remember my neighbor couldn't sell hers, wound up almost giving it away. The originals were slow, ugly, and not particularly economical. It like Ford naming a new release Edsel.
I live in Nova Scotia, Canada and can't remember the last time I've seen one actually on the road instead of languishing on dealer lots. I wondered why because it looks awesome and seems to be really fun to drive, so it should be a no brainer to buy one as everyone wants small SUVs. Then I looked at the prices...the cheapest one I could find in my city was $46,000 CAD and as high as $70,000 CAD!!! That's $34,000 to $51,000 in Freedom Dollars. That is pants-on-head crazy for a compact SUV. Dodge doesn't have the brand panache to be commanding that kind of price. They have ideas above their station.
Quick little anecdotal, i test drove one with a salesman a month or so ago. A Short distance from the dealership the cluster lit up like a Christmas tree and reduced power. The salesman looked at me and shrugged his shoulders. Pulled over put it on park and it wouldnt restart. So had the manager come get us. 😂 When we got back to the dealership the manager asked if i was still interested in another model. I LOL'd and walked out.
I would avoid any FCA products. My coworker bought brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee. That thing been in the shop so many times from small issues to major issues. I think at the time , he paid about 50k + for it. He's a lot happier now that he bought Toyota Highlander.
Just went to check their lease offers (the only way I would buy this) and they are ridiculous. For starters, lease is only available on the upper R/T trims with almost 4K down and almost 400 per month. But here is the kicker: 5K max miles per year! Never seen that before.
Is this the best Stellantis scam ever? *Start outrageously expensive, sell a couple. Then nonstop stories about insane inventory, huge markdowns! We have to wait but then we sell two years worth of these ‘unsellable’ cars in six months. Social media is wild.*
Dodge produces absolute garbage. I had a fleet pickup from work. At 40k miles, it has major transmission work done twice! Windows rolled down on its own... so many of the fleet vehicles stayed in the shop.
I was laughing my ass off when I first saw the commercials for this SUV. The way they portrayed it to be as exciting as a gasoline challenger or charger was both infuriating and hilarious.
I tried to buy one from multiple dealers. They are not really being discounted. They will never get you to that price point they walked you in the door with. They want you to finance only, I wanted to pay cash and all the discounts disappeared. I went with a Chevy trail blazer, they threw in all the incentives and let me pay cash. Night and day experience. No one is getting 10k off a dodge hornet no one
Never tell a dealer you're paying cash. A big chunk of their income comes from finance deals. The bank gets most of the interest, but part of it is paid to the dealership as a fee for securing the loan. If you want to buy a car with cash, finance it, then pay it off when the first bill comes.
Stellantis clearly doesn't understand the American car market and is destroying any market share the old Chrysler brands and old Fiat brands may have had here. There's a reason why French brands haven't really sold well in the American car market, they're not that good and they don't know how to market to us. I remember when Peugeot was in the American market in the late 1980's and early 1990's, when they tried to work with AMC. Chrysler bought AMC along with their Jeep and Eagle brands, kicked Peugeot out and got rid of AMC. What Peugeot did have in the Eagle brand was older Mazda technology and Chrysler got that and improved their cars in the 1990's with models like the Intrepid and the cab-forward design. Then they redesigned the Dodge pickups making them a serious competitor against Ford and Chevy. But anyway, I digress, Stellantis has fully wrecked Chrysler and Dodge, and I fear to the point that they will not be around in a couple of years. Chrysler now only has one Model, the Pacifica, and Dodge has what, 3 or 4 models, if that? Then they go and make Ram and Jeep, "upscale, luxury" vehicles, to where a Ram Tradesman base model work truck is over $40,000, when they should be under $30,000. Nope, Stellantis needs to reevaluate their marketing of the Chrysler brands, and either fix their marketing strategy of sell off the Chrysler brands, but I have no idea who would buy them, except for maybe the Jeep/Ram brand.
Not that I'd defend the recent efforts of Fiat/Chrysler.. But did you mean Renault rather than Peugeot? & I don't think either had technology resembling that of Mazda nor Italian Fiat. Despite buying Simca after it died under Chrysler's ownership (Simca assembled Fiat designs in France in the '30's) And Renaults influence at AMC allowed development of the Eagle Premier that provided the architecture for the later Intrepid...
I think Dodge will be around far longer, but more like Jaguar as a semi-exotic sports car dealer rather than a big mainstream manufacturer. Here in Europe they are already doing that with very few dealers that have only the nice V8 cars that people actually like on the lot.
I bought mine April 2023, have 27.5K miles on it. I only buy compact SUVs, I've had a Subaru Crosstrek, a Fiat 500X, and now this. Love it, looks great, fun to drive, no problems. I did get the upgrade package that has the Brembo brakes.
I kicked the tires on one at a Stellantis dealership. The salesman said he could me into for $25k base price. I ultimately decided no and bought a 1-owner 4 year old Rav4 Hybrid instead for the same price.
@@costaskl6589 Cmon, even the car in this very video has an error on the dash at 3:00. Other manufacturers definitely got a lot worse, and some are almost as bad as Alfa, but that is not making the Alfas any better.
These things are SOOO unreliable and absurdly expensive for what it is. And i’m tired of everyone switching to those dinky hybrid inline 4’s. I still wouldn’t buy it if it was $20k.
I feel like if Dodge really wanted to knock it out of the park, they would have shoehorned a pentastar v6 in there with an additional 60 horsepower hybrid system and this thing would have shock and awe. Instead it’s yet another turbo 4 that is gonna die well before 100k
@@baronvonjo1929 stellantis doesnt know at all what it's doing, they seriously took a tonale, put an uglier front bumper, changed a bit the design of the lights and called it a day, expecting us consumers to just take an overpriced and unreliable copy of an alfa and not get upset over it. dodge's days are counted because of stellantis, and this is the same for other companies.
It's too bad they don't build cars not to a good quality anymore, it's a nice car but you just know it's gonna break down a lot and the price is too high. It's really a shame 😢
Leasing a car with high depreciation will raise the lease payments a lot since that's what you're really financing (depreciation). Leasing works best on cars that hold their value, assuming you can get a decent price (Cap cost).
It's named after an insect. It's shaped like a turtle. Despite these appealing features, suv buyers are not concerned with performance. It's that simple. People that want performance don't want an suv. People that want an suv don't care about performance. Especially at $40k.
The formula has been given to Dodge (many times in fact) - they'll need to drop the ride height about 2 inches, add about 40 horsepower, add a few millimeters in tire width and put some GLH badges on it. Oh, and drop the price to the mid 20's and they'd have a hit....
It's an Alpha.... It's going to break down on you. Multiple times. Even as a lease vehicle with a warranty to cover things, your boss is going to quickly lose patience with you for letting him know you're going to be late yet again because you need to take your car back to the shop, yet again. The seat bolsters are a bit too aggressive. Despite prices having come down, the incentives still aren't low enough for what you get.
this vehicle is trash but your stat was wrong. its 400+ days to sell their remaining supply if the factory stopped producing them today, not 400 days to sell one car
One of my coworkers owns an Alfa Romeo Guilia and he's never heard of the Hornet until recently. He's been looking to trade his in. I told him the Hornet is essentially a Tonale, but just a little cheaper. One of my neighbors owns one, yet they are very scarce here
Yeah the price here in Canada is totally ridiculous! It's a pill box on wheels to boot. No room. Like someone said it's only worth about 20- 25 thousand
@@kaaronhudson8112 It's a good idea, but only for official fuel economy testing as there is quite a lot of stationary time in the cycle. So basically it's useful for gaming official MPG testing. In reality, people find their engine turning off and on to be annoying.
We've met peak saturation as consumers where the younger generations can neither afford nor want to drive themselves. The older generations have been bitten by Stellantis and European cars, or have been exposed to the maintenance sticker shock by proxy. Add to that it has a Dodge badge, which does not attract Alfa Romeo money, only with an Alfa Romeo price tag. It is a mashup of too expensive for the brand, missed mark for targeted market (or mistargeted market), and the European bad aftertaste of preventative maintenance for all who may have considered it. It is a good thing they came down on the price to move them, but now the economy may still dissuade potential buyers except rental car fleets. That's probably where we're going to see most of them go.
Loved our R/T for the 10 days and 1000 miles we drove it. Then it sat for 3 months at the dealership for a hybrid issue. Thankfully they bought it back.
I remember when I had to take Mopar service training as a part of my college and I was forced to go through two entire courses on this car. I learned way more about the inner workings of this car than I ever had any desire to
I agree - the Hornet is actually a desireable vehicle. My problem is that I don't know if it will be supported by the manufacturer in the long-term. I don't know if the manufacturer will EXIST and/or be doing business in the United States, in the long-term.
Sales are so bad these days that you can apparently pick these up BRAND NEW for less than $25k. The catch is that you have to put up with Stellantis build quality and the numerous reliability issues.
Live in Europe so I do not have this car to compare to but - I have a Suzuki Swift Sport it's about 155 hp and 975 kg and the same engine in a small SUV Vitara 1.4 that's supposed to be a rather fun to drive SUV. Well it's like night and day. SUVs are not fun at all to drive - it's a silly proposition. Vitara is 155 HP and 1350 kg. Cornering in a SUV is always a joke compared to a sports car or a hot hatch. You will be embarrassed.
I went to the Miami Car show this past weekend. I rode both the Alfa Tonale and Dodge Hornet with a professional driver and theyre both so much fun. They are overpriced but great cars. I own an Alfa Stelvio and they definitly drive like Alfas
Drop the prices by a minumum of 25%; cut the turbo charged garbage - put a real naturally aspirated motor in it; offer it in a manual; can the ipad in the dash; a lot less electronic whiz bang and it might actually sell. As it is today over price and over rated.....
@@boneseyyl1060 No body will buy a manual of any kind from any manufacturer anywhere when they do not offer them but they do offer a lot of non needed/non asked for over priced electronic goo so as to keep the prices high during purchase and keep those repair bills nice and high too! I do part time work for 6 different car dealerships in my area and the issue here is if they get anything decent in with a manual it has an extremely bad habit of not staying on the lot usually more than 5 days max. Three of those dealerships are Chrysler-Jeep-Dodge & RAM and they have had many folks who walked away from the Hornets because they could not order them/get them with a manual as well as great dislike of turbo charged engines since anyone with any degree of intelligence knows that turbos in general shorten the life of engines considerably. Maybe different where you are but that is how it is here and they tell these exact topics are coming up @ Dealer meetings with the execs who have ties to tight around their necks thereby limiting oxygen to their brains so they cannot perform a logical intelligent thought. Prices are nuts besides and going EV only makes it worse....
@@CaptainFordo21 I have and still do now. So does a lot of family and friends too. Manual transmissions if done correctly are fun as well as much better in snow and ice and if there are issues do not turn into repair/replacement costs that start around $5,000 and go up considerably from there. They as well as non-turbo charged engines have an extremely severe nasty habit of lasting a long long time hence why my original comment about non turbo w/manual. In the case of spending $30,000+ on a Dodge Hornet easily between the turbo and automatic and this applies to the vast majority of vehicles today if they are turbo charged with 9+ speed automatics extreme considerable doubt they will make it to even 150,000 miles on the odometer before reapir bills starting @ $5,000 minimal will come along. Purchase something from Stellantis with their new twin turbo Hurricane engine - lots of those cannot even achieve 75,000 miles before extreme expensive issues.
Maybe it's the lack of advertisement for this car? I literally didn't even know the Hornet existed until like a few days ago when I visited a Dodge dealership.
You can get a 2024 R/T hybrid for $30k at some dealers in my area. They’re scrambling to get rid of them. A coworker of mine bought one and actually likes it. I think people are just upset over the price hikes and the Challenger and Chargers being discontinued. In a normal market I could see these being popular. Is it going to break? Probably.
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What a transformation for Dodge: from selling muscle cars everybody wants to a foreign made crossover SUV nobody wants
Sorry but Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep is worse than any foreign car. It doesn't sell because those who set foot in a Dodge dealership do not have the pockets for Italian prices and those who do would never set foot in a Dodge dealership. Go put a FORD badge on a $120k BMW M5, sit it at the Ford dealership for $30k less, and see what happens... This happens.
Naw nobody wanted those muscle cars either except military guys and baby daddys
Thank god ford is keeping muscle cars, v8s and manuals a thing. Dodge was stupid to shift so hard into ev and suv crap.
@@Electra-xm7luthey are foreign csrs
They still sell muscle cars, that's never going to be their bread and butter though.
They want upwards of FIFTY FUKING THOUSAND DOLLARS for this vehicles that shouldn't be a dime over $25,000. That's why it's not selling.
25k??? Do you know what this car offers STANDARD ? If it started at 25k, it COULDNT be awd ,COULDNT have 295 pound feet of torque. Could NOT Have a 10.1 touch screen and 12in gauge cluster all standard. That’s the purpose of this car. It starts at 31k. That’s PERFECT
The way it is selling is proof it is not perfect.
@@Natethegreat200c all wheel drive is a rip off, learn how to drive in the snow. It's not that hard. I don't want an iPad on my dash, and I no longer need a car to go fast to feel like a man. $31k is not "perfect."
No it’s not the rt is witch if you knew hornets has nothing over the gt witch u can pick up for 28 k
@@raymond_sycamore I have two of the same car. One awd and one front. There’s no rip off , there’s no comparison. The awd is STELLAR is a BEAST. Period. There are some places in this country where 2WD cars wont be permitted to drive on that road. There are roads that require awd. They specifically said no 2WD with snow tires. I forget what road that was but it had a hill.
It’s not about having a fast car to feel like a man LMAO it’s about being able to pass, get out in traffic , and have fun. Why would you need passing power to feel like a man? What’s wrong with your thought process? lol
If you don’t want tech in your car stop watching new car videos … you’re just hating just to hate. And these new cars are better than whatever you drive. 31k for what you get is perfect. That’s a fact
I work at a dodge dealer as a porter. These cars come from factory with Christmas lights on the dash and you would even be lucky if they turned on after 2 days of not being driven.
Haha. Same parts guy a few needs parts all needs software tweeks
They are notorious junk
The company I work for handles battery and tire services on stellantis vehicles at the railyard where they get offloaded for shipping to the dealers, and they are a goddamn nightmare. Far too many getting pushed off the railcar by hand since they won't even start with a boost or new battery, had one that wouldn't shut off, error codes galore...
Now that we are getting the Fiat 500e, signs are looking similarly bad or even worse for them
Junkkk dodge sucks at making reliable 😂
@@issavibez394 I agree, Chrysler has never been know for its reliability😂
Drop the price by 50% and watch them move. We’d be HornetNation
I bought my Jeep Patriot for 21K. I'm never paying more, ever.
thats the price they should be, 30-35 thousand for loaded models. the problem is dealerships now want to make 100% profit. making $10k or $15K a vehicle is no longer acceptable to them, they want to make $25K profit each vehicle
@@adamchaifetz5876oh you will pay a lot more. used jeeps with 100K miles on them are 21K now
Here in Texas, new Dodge Hornets are discounted 10k off MSRP because no one's buying them. A discounted new Hornet is cheaper than a new Corolla (that's not discounted at all)
@@adamchaifetz5876 oh you will pay more. used 5 or 6 year old jeeps with 100K miles on them are $21k now
This is not cheap! Starting at 40k are you serious? Mazda cx 5 starting at 31k and are far superior to this thing.
Hybrid starts at $30k. The hybrid starts at $40
The Charger RT started at $35k.
They start at $27k with discounts.
I would agree, the starting MSRP is quite high but the $38,000 one shown in this video is for sale NEW right now for $28,000
@theguy4615 I just looked them up in area and they were starting at 40k. I didn't see any discounts. I hate haggling.for a car, just give me a good price no gimmicks and games.
I drove a Hornet rental from Avis when in San Diego. 951 miles on the clock, basically new. Died on me 70 miles away up in the Inland Empire on the desert. Tow truck driver says he picks Hornets up all the time - considers them junk. Hard pass.
I agree, this guy wants us to be scammed, Chrysler making very unreliable vehicles
This is rental. My neighbor seems to be have it 5-7 years and look happy with it. Though it some advanced R/T version, not sure about the basic one.
@@AK.__ The Hornets haven't been out for that long. Your neighbor had something else
@@7SUK1 You right. Following this thread, I have asked him. It was 2010 Dodge Caliber SXT Plus which served him 12 years. After it he got Hornet G/T. The R/T badge was attached "just because he is fan of Dodge R/T muscle cars". So...... let's see how long it will be running.
@@AK.__ so he put Road and Track emblems on a Hornet GT? 😂😭
The reason it's not selling? Stellantis... The only company with a worse reputation that Boeing. And it has a cheap econobox look from the B-pillar back that belies its MSRP.
Should have just sold the company to Chryslers grandson
Ubosoft says" Hold my beer"
It doesn't sell because people who set foot in a Dodge dealership do not pay Italian prices and those who do would never set foot in a Dodge dealership.
@@Electra-xm7lu
….Friggin, Exactly !!!!
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….Friggin, Exactly !!!!
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I've pinpointed the problem! There's a $20,000 error in the price tag. You're welcome.
On the plus side!!!
Dodge. Foreign owed building cars that Americans don’t want. Then overprice the model.
I mean that's pretty much what it is. No way to say it any better
Yep, Americans don't buy Italian made cars. They should know better by now lol. Just look how that little 500 sold. Even the 124 failed miserably. They just shut down production on the new 500e as it too isn't selling.
I mean the one on video is selling for $28,000 that’s not really overpriced, but I still wouldn’t buy one
This car is foreign on top of that!
Gee I can remember they were on the arms of Mitsubishi back in the 80's!
Zero mention of reliability. This is an ad, not a review. I need pros & CONS...
How is he going to talk reliability from driving it for a few minutes.
Reliability is only something you’ll be able to get answers for, years down the road. No one knows the mileage limit of these engines yet..
Mechanic here, the engines in these are JUNK they would have been better off using the Alfa Romeo engine.
@@SUPRAMIKE18that’s crazy cause the engine IS Alfa Romeo
@@sategllib2191this guy works at a dealership this is an ad. They’ve been around long enough to know if there’s any issues
Dodge named it properly...buy a hornet; feel the sting of being stung!!!!😁
Nailed It!
Yes, indeed, at the mechanic shop...
@@eddiestanley135 nah the hornets are nice im gonna buy one, not the hybrid one though
3:04 Dash warning: "ParkSense Unavailable Service Required"
Things already going wrong on a test drive media car….imagine what will go wrong in the long term…😂
And they wrong wonder why they're the worst selling vehicles...
I'll admit I didn't catch that when I watched. But it is there. Good catch @SueBobChicVid...
@@JM811Cars Italians and French are the same when they share their tech with others. They just use the lowest quality stuff for the foreign brands, Vauxhall/Opel cars are so much worse quality wise than Peugeot/DS/Citroens same goes for Alfa/Dodge.
When TFL did their review a while back, they got the whole BMW Christmas tree on that dash.
Those highly-paid management deserves to be fired for being out-of-touch with the market.
high paid management, low paying
This is a small compact 2 row SUV with a 4 cylinder selling for $40,000. It is a $20,000 vehicle.
If that?!
You must be a paid PR rep for stalantis. That car will cost anyone who buys it a fortune. A). it'll depreciate like a huge Stone in Lake Erie. B), it will have questionable reliability issues. And C.) it'll probably no longer be sold soon.
Anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex would stay away from that thing, no matter how fun it is to drive when it's brand new.
I know, right? The key is to look at the front plate of this demo...Apple Autos. He is selling THIS car. Why would he bash it? Talk about conflict of interest.
Im from lake erie so i know all about that
Yes, it's probably impossible to do DIY service and will start to fall apart 5 minutes after the 5 year warranty runs out. Leasing a car that has no resale value means you're paying the bulk of the cost of the car to lease it.
People who buy cars don't care for the depreciation because they're not buying them to sale them. They're buying them to keep them
Not a shill for Dodge, but have you checked the current prices of the Hornet? I thought they were over priced, but after watching this video, I looked at my local dealers. Even the one dealer known for insane mark-ups is selling them for $27,000. A lease would be even less, but a lease is just renting a vehicle.
Seems like a PAID review….. these are 100% junk all around.
That's what I've heard on numerous videos and platforms. Total junk and will end up costing the owners way more than they're worth in the long run.
I agree these are horrible cars, that’s why they don’t sell and he is making it out to be the best car in the world😂
He’s buying Christmas gifts with this review lol
I mean... he dose work for a dealership
Dodge actually based on the Mercedes platforms, and these last decades. We have 1969 Charger, in great condition, weekends driven... this thing is 50 years old. And I have '14 R/T as daily and my bro '12 SRT as daily.
I don’t think I will ever buy a new car again. Losing money immediately, having to deal with the dealerships to get service, worrying about scratches, dents and dings, having a car payment and expensive insurance. I’m just sticking to cheap old cars I can work on myself. I spent a lot of money buying cars before I learned my lesson. So even if they priced new cars at $25k, I really don’t want them. Even putting a bit of money to repair a used car is worth it to me.
Not to mention all the tattle tail electronics being added to them.
Four years ago, I bought a 2010 Lacrosse v6 3.0 with 37 thousand miles for ten grand out the door. It was garage kept and well maintained. I have put back brakes new plugs and coils. I had one coil go bad, so I changed all of them. And I put a new temp sensor and oil changes. The car runs and drives like new, I now have 57 thousand on it, money well spent. I could sell the car for what I have in it right now. NEVER BUY NEW unless you are rich and have too much money.
@@Chip-hm3ny I was buying Corvette, Lexus, a Mach 1 Mustang, Infiniti and Subaru. Living it up within a 5-10 year period. Then the career I was in changed up after covid. I saw things going downhill and sold my new car then I got laid off. I used to buy old cars and fix them up, sell it and get another. 2-3 cars a year usually. It was fine with cheap cars but when I started making good money I scaled up and threw away so much money.
Now my project is an 89 Cadillac which is much more reasonable. 07 Toyota Yaris for a daily. No car payments and cheap insurance. Out of necessity and lack of income I'll probably just keep what I have now and maintain them as long as possible. Maybe one day buy a used Lexus.
I learned my lesson as well and am the exact same way; It has made my life much happier and less stressful.
As someone that has a 97 GMC Sierra it doesn't matter if it cost $5,000 to get it fixed, it's still cheaper than buying a new vehicle and more economical.
Here in Italy the Tonales (they're built in the same factory) are falling apart.
And I'm sorry to say, but the overall quality is far less appealing than what has been displayed in this video.
Don't make a bad mistake, don't buy this pile of crap...
I agree, Chrysler makes unreliable, poor quality vehicles and everyone knows that, that’s why it doesn’t sell
That car should be selling for about 25 to 27,000 and they would get rid of them. Cars are way way too expensive across the line.
I got my 2023 Sentra for $18,150
fully loaded chevy trax is 28k and they're selling like hot cakes
Price gouging will be the death of these greedy car companies.
It's a Stellantis/Alfa issue right now. Lack of reliability in all their products since they released this vehicle. And now banks are not financing these things unless you have a big down payment because of the reliability issues and how quickly they depreciate. To top it all off, look and see what Stellantis is doing to Dodge/Chrysler right now, they could no longer be a brand in a year or two.
Agree. Went to Columbus Ohio ( about 30 miles north of me) to look at a Stelvio, and the dealer was shut down. No warning, like go to work and there is a sign on the door type of thing. TONS of vehicles on the lot but dealer closed doors locked. All cars there were to go to Cleveland or Cincinnati. The Dodge dealership COULD sell me one ( same dealer) and his Alfa service tech stayed at the Dodge side. They could do maintenance work, but any warranty or recall work would have to be done in Cincinnati or Cleveland. The Hornet being the exception, but a no go on the Tonale. I believe this is a Stellantis/environment problem. Perhaps the Government here demanding electric only vehicles, when the market, infrastructure and common sense doesn't support that. Combine poor management and cost cutting from Stellantis, AND poor government policies and you get this.
I suspect Dodge and Chrysler will be gone within 3 years, Alfa and Fiat are already on the way out of the US. but Stellantis only ever wanted Ram and Jeep out of the deal. The FCA/PSA merger completely fucked the US market, no improvement in reliability, no Puegeot or DS coming to the US market, PSA just wanted Ram and Jeep and is killing off the rest.
How much they pay you to shill this thing to us bro?
100% agree, this was ABSOLUTELY a paid review. This thing isn’t selling because it’s straight trash and I actually like (and have owned) many Dodge vehicles.
@@Pepelopez642exactly, we all know it’s crap and he is making it out to be the best car
Dude completely refused to point out the ParkSense malfunction and the clunking at 3:04 like it’s so obviously a paid promo 😭 this thing is a turd on wheels
I'd take a CX-30 over this.
same, much rather have a mazda 3 tho
Same, but I actually think this is a nice vehicle. Fiat didn't help Chrysler on the quality/reliability ratings though - that's where Chrysler needs to focus its efforts!
I believe it is in the same size class as the CX-5 and RAV4, and I did take a CX-5 over one.
@@mrvwbug4423 You are correct about the size. For sheer quality, get a Mazda CX-5. If you want to match the Hornet's acceleration get the turbo version; however, I'm happy with my non turbo that still gets me to 60 fast enough at 8 seconds and I'm constantly seeing upper 30s in the mpg department.
Cx5 isnt 270 hp@@mrvwbug4423
Thumbs down for thumbnail saying “it’s so bad” and you worshipping it the entire video
Click baity at best. No reason given to why the sales suck if it's so 'fantastic'.
I thought about buying one of these. Then I went to the Hornet Owners Reddit. Every other post was about how to get a lawyer to force the dealership to buy it back. I went to a dealership to look at one and the dealer hadn't been doing the maintenance on them the owners manual requires. These things are snake bit.
You went to Reddit to read owners of the first bath of hornets and thought that was valuable information?
Mines sucked terrible in reliability.
@@cornelldaniel again , first adaptor IF you’re telling the truth.
Almost every car I have ever owned (11 since 1979) was from the first year after a model change, and only one had any early model build/reliability/quality issues. VW (2), Honda (2), Toyota (2), Ford (4) & one KIA. Well, 2 of the Fords were really Mazdas: a Probe (626) and an Escort (Protoge/3).
@@Natethegreat200c It's not just the first batch with any mopar product. I had a 2015 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk, 2nd year even and the transmission blew up at 30k miles, took them 2 weeks to source a warranty replacement, and it had lots of little electrical problems the entire time I owned it, traded it in before the powertrain warranty expired. It's a shame because other than the issues, it was a good vehicle, a compact crossover with legit off road capability (a real low range, full skidplates and an honest to god rear locker). Also one of the few compact crossovers that came with a V6.
That turn signal sounds like it came out of a 1990 Hyundai Excel
anybody born after 1990 doesn't know what a 1990 Hyundai Excel sounds like Hyundai excels went almost straight to the junk yard
hyundai wasn't that bad. stop trolling kid
@@darkivaz-aaa1145 Hyundai and the Excel were terrible. But Hyundia got a lot better in the mid 2000's.
It sells poorly because it's overpriced and under marketed. There are worse vehicles like the Nissan Kicks.
Thank you. No one talks about those shitboxes. Like it's almost trendy to hate on Dodge products now.
I’ve rented a few Nissan Kicks, they aren’t terrible for a cheap car, you can buy two of them for the price of one of these.
How is this comparable to a Nissan kicks in any form or fashion?
The Nissan Kicks is a pos at a cheap price point. This car is a pos at double the price.
I drove a Qashqai for work, a complete POS
The reason why it's not selling because it's a p.o.s.!!!😮
Crossover Dart no one asks for!?
Definitely not a Dart lol.
Who asked for any suv?? wtf are you talking about ? Who asked for the CRv? HRv? Who asked for the rouge ? Who asked for the kona??
@@Natethegreat200c the millions of people that bought them?
@@jefferydossett4733 More like the thousands of Dealers who could make more profit off SUVs than sedans and sub-compacts, same reason we see so few color choices on them, Dealers only order what they know they can sell.
@@Natethegreat200cSoccer moms, mostly
I used to work in a dodge dealership. When they first came to the lot lights was already on. By the time more was coming in all of them couldn’t start for nothing
They arent selling because they're ridiculously overpriced, and offer nothing over similarly priced competitors.
Yep I see one in my area they have listed for $47,700 hahahha
Thumbnail: "ITS SO BAD! 🤭"
Actual Video: some dude gurgling dodge's sack for 15 minutes
Yea nothing suspicious there.
I'm 71. I was introduced to Alphas when I was 16. It died within 100 miles and ended up getting traded for a barracuda. I don't see that they have improved significantly from then.
I just have one ? How TF much did they pay you to make this commercial?
Fix It Again Tony
alfas are very good cars now, look insanely good, perform great and their reliability got better, they’re no worse than any other average car company like volkswagen or peugeot or ford tbh
@@costaskl6589 I appreciate your point. But I am unimpressed with the reliability of any of those brands. Pretty much all brands today are both overpriced and recalled several times. Poor quality pervades the industry
1. It's overpriced
2. They didn't listen and built something that nobody wanted.
Drop about 15k off the price and these will fly off the lot, their target customers can't afford this good or not.
Never saw one on the road.
Saw my first Hornet in the wild last month on I-5 in WA.
How can you get one used for $28000 if they didn’t sell new… If you do find one used, one must ask why? It’s not like the rental companies are buying these to turn in a year or so….
I haven't seen 1 on the road lately. 50K for a Alfa Romeo clone. Hah! Not worth a dime!
Same here. I just drove 400 miles on I40 and I saw everything BUT this so called SUV. Honestly saw more Chevy and Ford trucks more than anything 😊
The only one I saw was a blue RT leased by one of the professors in my college. Never even see one on the road here in NorCal.
Keeping it under the milage for a lease wont be a problem, as it will be in the service center 25% of the time.
The only time I've seen these on the road is during a test drive. If it was 25k to 30k for a hybrid, it might sell.
I think car companies set themselves up for failure when they name a vehicle after beloved vehicle from yesteryear. It just upsets people that remember and expect a legit sequel.
I don't know anybody who liked the original Hornet. I remember my neighbor couldn't sell hers, wound up almost giving it away. The originals were slow, ugly, and not particularly economical. It like Ford naming a new release Edsel.
They need to cut the price by$10K if they want to sell them.
Still wouldn’t buy one, unreliable Chrysler crap
I live in Nova Scotia, Canada and can't remember the last time I've seen one actually on the road instead of languishing on dealer lots. I wondered why because it looks awesome and seems to be really fun to drive, so it should be a no brainer to buy one as everyone wants small SUVs. Then I looked at the prices...the cheapest one I could find in my city was $46,000 CAD and as high as $70,000 CAD!!! That's $34,000 to $51,000 in Freedom Dollars. That is pants-on-head crazy for a compact SUV. Dodge doesn't have the brand panache to be commanding that kind of price. They have ideas above their station.
Quick little anecdotal, i test drove one with a salesman a month or so ago. A Short distance from the dealership the cluster lit up like a Christmas tree and reduced power. The salesman looked at me and shrugged his shoulders. Pulled over put it on park and it wouldnt restart. So had the manager come get us. 😂 When we got back to the dealership the manager asked if i was still interested in another model. I LOL'd and walked out.
Lmfaoooooooo no way 😭😭😭😂
Don't know if this story is bs or not, but damn it was funny 😂
Why in the world would you take this over an equivalent Mazda? Hell, even a Volkswagen or a Mini would be a better at this pricd point.
Mazda cx5 is too cramped feeling.
I would avoid any FCA products. My coworker bought brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee. That thing been in the shop so many times from small issues to major issues. I think at the time , he paid about 50k + for it. He's a lot happier now that he bought Toyota Highlander.
*leased
@@darkivaz-aaa1145leased...purchased, doesn't matter. They're pieces of shit.
I agree, fiat Chrysler is junk
@@louisbarningham *Stellantis
Just went to check their lease offers (the only way I would buy this) and they are ridiculous. For starters, lease is only available on the upper R/T trims with almost 4K down and almost 400 per month. But here is the kicker: 5K max miles per year! Never seen that before.
Because it will break if your drive more than 5k!!!
5K miles??? That is ridiculous 😂
The guy above was quoted 625 for a lease. That's why you got offered 400. Because of the mileage.
Because they are really unreliable Chrysler junk
5k miles???? Bro I can drive that in like 2 months. That’s fucking wild bro.
Is it me, or does the front end of this looks like the 1990's Mitsubishi Galant???
I see it too... would buy a rusty galant over this thing anyday
Is this the best Stellantis scam ever? *Start outrageously expensive, sell a couple. Then nonstop stories about insane inventory, huge markdowns! We have to wait but then we sell two years worth of these ‘unsellable’ cars in six months. Social media is wild.*
No one wants to be caught driving a "Dodge". Seriously !! The brand has been so tarnished.
Which is sad! The Dodge brothers are rolling over in their graves.
Dodge produces absolute garbage. I had a fleet pickup from work. At 40k miles, it has major transmission work done twice! Windows rolled down on its own... so many of the fleet vehicles stayed in the shop.
Unless it has a hemi in it.
I agree, just fiat Chrysler crap now, even the banks don’t like financing them because of their low quality and horrible reliability
@@mrvwbug4423or the Cummins
I was laughing my ass off when I first saw the commercials for this SUV. The way they portrayed it to be as exciting as a gasoline challenger or charger was both infuriating and hilarious.
Dodge is so out of touch with their consumers it’s crazy. Like NO ONE wants this. Especially for $40k.
It isn’t selling because they’re trying to sell it for $51,000
I tried to buy one from multiple dealers. They are not really being discounted. They will never get you to that price point they walked you in the door with. They want you to finance only, I wanted to pay cash and all the discounts disappeared. I went with a Chevy trail blazer, they threw in all the incentives and let me pay cash. Night and day experience. No one is getting 10k off a dodge hornet no one
Never tell a dealer you're paying cash. A big chunk of their income comes from finance deals. The bank gets most of the interest, but part of it is paid to the dealership as a fee for securing the loan.
If you want to buy a car with cash, finance it, then pay it off when the first bill comes.
Stellantis clearly doesn't understand the American car market and is destroying any market share the old Chrysler brands and old Fiat brands may have had here. There's a reason why French brands haven't really sold well in the American car market, they're not that good and they don't know how to market to us. I remember when Peugeot was in the American market in the late 1980's and early 1990's, when they tried to work with AMC. Chrysler bought AMC along with their Jeep and Eagle brands, kicked Peugeot out and got rid of AMC. What Peugeot did have in the Eagle brand was older Mazda technology and Chrysler got that and improved their cars in the 1990's with models like the Intrepid and the cab-forward design. Then they redesigned the Dodge pickups making them a serious competitor against Ford and Chevy. But anyway, I digress, Stellantis has fully wrecked Chrysler and Dodge, and I fear to the point that they will not be around in a couple of years. Chrysler now only has one Model, the Pacifica, and Dodge has what, 3 or 4 models, if that? Then they go and make Ram and Jeep, "upscale, luxury" vehicles, to where a Ram Tradesman base model work truck is over $40,000, when they should be under $30,000. Nope, Stellantis needs to reevaluate their marketing of the Chrysler brands, and either fix their marketing strategy of sell off the Chrysler brands, but I have no idea who would buy them, except for maybe the Jeep/Ram brand.
Not that I'd defend the recent efforts of Fiat/Chrysler.. But did you mean Renault rather than Peugeot? & I don't think either had technology resembling that of Mazda nor Italian Fiat. Despite buying Simca after it died under Chrysler's ownership (Simca assembled Fiat designs in France in the '30's)
And Renaults influence at AMC allowed development of the Eagle Premier that provided the architecture for the later Intrepid...
The French brands are actually are better, there's a reason they're Stellantis' money makers
I think Dodge will be around far longer, but more like Jaguar as a semi-exotic sports car dealer rather than a big mainstream manufacturer. Here in Europe they are already doing that with very few dealers that have only the nice V8 cars that people actually like on the lot.
I bought mine April 2023, have 27.5K miles on it. I only buy compact SUVs, I've had a Subaru Crosstrek, a Fiat 500X, and now this.
Love it, looks great, fun to drive, no problems. I did get the upgrade package that has the Brembo brakes.
I kicked the tires on one at a Stellantis dealership. The salesman said he could me into for $25k base price. I ultimately decided no and bought a 1-owner 4 year old Rav4 Hybrid instead for the same price.
Went to dodge dealership with mild interest & low behold I'm quoted $625 per month lease. End of story.
They are super unreliable, even banks don’t like doing loans for them
Same experience we had...not worth it even though the test drive was fun. I might rent one for a weekend but i would NOT buy or lease one
Gah damn bro $625 for this no insurance AND it’s not even a V8? LMFAOOOOOOO THEY TWEAKING 😂😂😭💀
The high prices are why Stelantis group is going out of business.
Alfa Romeo : Fun vehicle to drive as long as it starts without any warning light
….Friggin, Exactly !!!!
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idk why ppl still think alfa romeo’s are unreliable, they’re just like any other car brand nowadays
@@costaskl6589 Cmon, even the car in this very video has an error on the dash at 3:00.
Other manufacturers definitely got a lot worse, and some are almost as bad as Alfa,
but that is not making the Alfas any better.
These things are SOOO unreliable and absurdly expensive for what it is. And i’m tired of everyone switching to those dinky hybrid inline 4’s. I still wouldn’t buy it if it was $20k.
This should have been a $23k car brand new.
There are plenty of cars in that price range. If you like 3 cylinder turbos with under 140 hp.
My mom got herself locked into one of these, and its been nothing but problems. I told her to get a Honda or Toyota, but its too late for that.
I feel like if Dodge really wanted to knock it out of the park, they would have shoehorned a pentastar v6 in there with an additional 60 horsepower hybrid system and this thing would have shock and awe. Instead it’s yet another turbo 4 that is gonna die well before 100k
The pentastar is junk too. Hard pass on all Dodge stuff now.
Just what the market needs, another me-too, badge engineered small crossover SUV.
Stellantis in the US is actually missing out in that segment. Dodge definitely needed a CUV. But looks like this one was a flop
@@baronvonjo1929 stellantis doesnt know at all what it's doing, they seriously took a tonale, put an uglier front bumper, changed a bit the design of the lights and called it a day, expecting us consumers to just take an overpriced and unreliable copy of an alfa and not get upset over it.
dodge's days are counted because of stellantis, and this is the same for other companies.
It's too bad they don't build cars not to a good quality anymore, it's a nice car but you just know it's gonna break down a lot and the price is too high. It's really a shame 😢
Lease? Where? Dealer quoted me $700/mo. lease. They don't want to sell these.
Leasing a car with high depreciation will raise the lease payments a lot since that's what you're really financing (depreciation). Leasing works best on cars that hold their value, assuming you can get a decent price (Cap cost).
It's named after an insect. It's shaped like a turtle. Despite these appealing features, suv buyers are not concerned with performance. It's that simple.
People that want performance don't want an suv. People that want an suv don't care about performance. Especially at $40k.
The formula has been given to Dodge (many times in fact) - they'll need to drop the ride height about 2 inches, add about 40 horsepower, add a few millimeters in tire width and put some GLH badges on it. Oh, and drop the price to the mid 20's and they'd have a hit....
Would Still be a POS people are smarter than that
It's an Alpha.... It's going to break down on you. Multiple times. Even as a lease vehicle with a warranty to cover things, your boss is going to quickly lose patience with you for letting him know you're going to be late yet again because you need to take your car back to the shop, yet again. The seat bolsters are a bit too aggressive. Despite prices having come down, the incentives still aren't low enough for what you get.
Correction, it takes over one year to sell all the inventory, not one unit..
The black wheel winter tire look needs to end.
….Friggin, Exactly !!!!
-Much Love, From :
TORONTO, ONTARIO,
CANADA ! 🇨🇦
It has a button on the steering wheel that says sport. Who needs a Hemi Challenger?
😅🤣😂
The front end itself isn’t bad, but the high ride height, ugly crossover shape, and unreliability make it very unappealing.
It's because it's called a Hornet. This isn't a Hornet. They would have sold normally if it was called something else
What do you mean, I don't get it.
This vehicle is awful for the price. If it was 25k it'd sell just fine.
@@rileykiesler614look up the original Dodge Hornet then compare that to this….overpriced monstrosity
this vehicle is trash but your stat was wrong. its 400+ days to sell their remaining supply if the factory stopped producing them today, not 400 days to sell one car
$28k and 3 years later worth $1500 and all dashboard is lit up and you still owe $30k because of all interest they will add to it and the fees 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dude, I bought a 14 year old Mercury Grand Marquis for $1,200, back in June. I won't touch anything new.
This vehicle might be fun for a test drive, but buy it, and you'll probably have it at the mechanics more than it's competitors.
One of my coworkers owns an Alfa Romeo Guilia and he's never heard of the Hornet until recently. He's been looking to trade his in. I told him the Hornet is essentially a Tonale, but just a little cheaper. One of my neighbors owns one, yet they are very scarce here
Agree with most these posts. This car would do better, if it was priced like $20k msrp. Its too steep for a Dodge
Yeah the price here in Canada is totally ridiculous! It's a pill box on wheels to boot. No room. Like someone said it's only worth about 20- 25 thousand
Start stop is the worst idea the industry ever had!
Why?
@@kaaronhudson8112 It's a good idea, but only for official fuel economy testing as there is quite a lot of stationary time in the cycle. So basically it's useful for gaming official MPG testing. In reality, people find their engine turning off and on to be annoying.
@@TassieLorenzo thank you
We've met peak saturation as consumers where the younger generations can neither afford nor want to drive themselves. The older generations have been bitten by Stellantis and European cars, or have been exposed to the maintenance sticker shock by proxy. Add to that it has a Dodge badge, which does not attract Alfa Romeo money, only with an Alfa Romeo price tag. It is a mashup of too expensive for the brand, missed mark for targeted market (or mistargeted market), and the European bad aftertaste of preventative maintenance for all who may have considered it. It is a good thing they came down on the price to move them, but now the economy may still dissuade potential buyers except rental car fleets. That's probably where we're going to see most of them go.
Loved our R/T for the 10 days and 1000 miles we drove it. Then it sat for 3 months at the dealership for a hybrid issue. Thankfully they bought it back.
I remember when I had to take Mopar service training as a part of my college and I was forced to go through two entire courses on this car. I learned way more about the inner workings of this car than I ever had any desire to
What is your point? You didn't say anything relevant to the car.
Anything built by Dodge and its parent company scares the hell out of me now. Because they're not known for quality and reliability. ❗
Headline : It's So Bad. Actual review : This is a nice SUV, they did a great job
Nobody wanted it, nobody asked for it. It's like an STD with wheels.
😂
The price is for sure keeping it out of the market, things like the 2nd Gen Trax is what is being bought instead.
If a dealer wants to cut me a deal and sell one for under $20k, I’ll cop it.
I agree - the Hornet is actually a desireable vehicle. My problem is that I don't know if it will be supported by the manufacturer in the long-term. I don't know if the manufacturer will EXIST and/or be doing business in the United States, in the long-term.
Sales are so bad these days that you can apparently pick these up BRAND NEW for less than $25k. The catch is that you have to put up with Stellantis build quality and the numerous reliability issues.
Maverick can be had for $26k with a stronger tow liter engine and AWD and just as good of handling. There. That's why it doesn't sell.
Stellantis could probably sell a ton of these if they’d only pull their heads out of their assess and reduce the MSRP by at least 40%.
Live in Europe so I do not have this car to compare to but - I have a Suzuki Swift Sport it's about 155 hp and 975 kg and the same engine in a small SUV Vitara 1.4 that's supposed to be a rather fun to drive SUV.
Well it's like night and day. SUVs are not fun at all to drive - it's a silly proposition. Vitara is 155 HP and 1350 kg. Cornering in a SUV is always a joke compared to a sports car or a hot hatch. You will be embarrassed.
I went to the Miami Car show this past weekend. I rode both the Alfa Tonale and Dodge Hornet with a professional driver and theyre both so much fun. They are overpriced but great cars. I own an Alfa Stelvio and they definitly drive like Alfas
Ever keep an eye on the Stelvios depreciation values?
@@nookbandit of course. I owned a used Alfa Stelvio. Fantastic deal used.
Can someone please explain to me why Stellantis won’t drop the price and would rather sell NONE than all of them? I don’t get it…
Drop the prices by a minumum of 25%; cut the turbo charged garbage - put a real naturally aspirated motor in it; offer it in a manual; can the ipad in the dash; a lot less electronic whiz bang and it might actually sell.
As it is today over price and over rated.....
A manual would probably not even make up a half percent of sales. Talk about a disconnect with buyers lmao
Wolfgang is right. Nobody is buying a manual in this car. If they wanted manual, they wouldn't be buying a crossover.
@@boneseyyl1060 No body will buy a manual of any kind from any manufacturer anywhere when they do not offer them but they do offer a lot of non needed/non asked for over priced electronic goo so as to keep the prices high during purchase and keep those repair bills nice and high too!
I do part time work for 6 different car dealerships in my area and the issue here is if they get anything decent in with a manual it has an extremely bad habit of not staying on the lot usually more than 5 days max.
Three of those dealerships are Chrysler-Jeep-Dodge & RAM and they have had many folks who walked away from the Hornets because they could not order them/get them with a manual as well as great dislike of turbo charged engines since anyone with any degree of intelligence knows that turbos in general shorten the life of engines considerably.
Maybe different where you are but that is how it is here and they tell these exact topics are coming up @ Dealer meetings with the execs who have ties to tight around their necks thereby limiting oxygen to their brains so they cannot perform a logical intelligent thought. Prices are nuts besides and going EV only makes it worse....
Who tf drives a manual crossover??
@@CaptainFordo21 I have and still do now. So does a lot of family and friends too. Manual transmissions if done correctly are fun as well as much better in snow and ice and if there are issues do not turn into repair/replacement costs that start around $5,000 and go up considerably from there. They as well as non-turbo charged engines have an extremely severe nasty habit of lasting a long long time hence why my original comment about non turbo w/manual.
In the case of spending $30,000+ on a Dodge Hornet easily between the turbo and automatic and this applies to the vast majority of vehicles today if they are turbo charged with 9+ speed automatics extreme considerable doubt they will make it to even 150,000 miles on the odometer before reapir bills starting @ $5,000 minimal will come along. Purchase something from Stellantis with their new twin turbo Hurricane engine - lots of those cannot even achieve 75,000 miles before extreme expensive issues.
Maybe it's the lack of advertisement for this car? I literally didn't even know the Hornet existed until like a few days ago when I visited a Dodge dealership.
It drives like a crossover not a sports car
Makes me go insane every single time I see people pretending to have « sport » SUVs. Nothing sport whatsoever about that weight and body style.
I haven't seen one on the road yet. I think. I think people know better than to buy a front wheel drive Dodge, or buy another front wheel drive Dodge.
I’ve yet to see one of these on the road. It would be quite a rare sight to see one in person
edit: I just seen one for the first time today 💀
You can get a 2024 R/T hybrid for $30k at some dealers in my area. They’re scrambling to get rid of them.
A coworker of mine bought one and actually likes it. I think people are just upset over the price hikes and the Challenger and Chargers being discontinued.
In a normal market I could see these being popular. Is it going to break? Probably.