The Deprogram Episode 29: [REDACTED] Your Landlord.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2022
- Landlords, developers, nationalization, the housing market, expropriation and gentrification - just the tip of the iceberg.
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I've seen people in my town say they don't want affordable apartments built because they don't want to deal with "those people." Mind you... This isn't even a rich town. But all of the neighborhoods that have been constructed since I bought my small home have been massive, expensive homes. American classism and racism is alive and well even in people they make slightly above average wages.
They have divided the proletariat along pretty much every axis they could.
Not to mention the only other thing you see being built consistently, at least here in upstate, NY, is apartment complex after apartment complex... Never small, affordable homes. Meanwhile there's plenty of land and plenty high demand, but I've felt for a long time this was done by design. They want renters ... Not home owners.
@@Eagleheart73 Pfft. You don't shit under capitalism anyway if you're a worker. Ever heard of "eminent domain"? They decide how much your property is worth, snatch it out from under you and bulldoze everything...
@@Eagleheart73 yep it's everywhere and it's intentional. Even before the pandemic the cost of building materials was high so builders moved to "luxury" homes and apartments to increase profit margins.
I can’t remember the exact quote but I think it was some American congressman that basically said if you make them think there’s someone lower than them they won’t notice or care they’re getting robbed blind
Mao's solution for corporate landlords is very innovative.
PSA for renters in NYC: 44% of housing stock is rent-stabilized, but landlords frequently bullshit the system. Request your rent history from DHCR! If your unit is determined to have been illegally destabilized, you can get it back into stabilization with a rent that might be well below market value and be entitled to treble damages.
I love that landlords treat rent control like the end of renting and the rise of Soviet communism.
All rent control mean is that your rent can't go up unless the landlord invests something into the property you are paying for.
Y'all should've collaborated with Chairman Mao Tse Tung for this episode.
When I was a kid my parents told me that the founding fathers originally planned to write "Life, Liberty, and Property" but at the last second they decided they couldn't promise property. So they switched it out for "the Pursuit of Happiness". This country has been run by clowns from the start.
What made land thieves and enslavers happy? Property, of course.
Big if true
34:49 - 35:28 This is very important to mention. My parents, who are professional "middle-class" workers, are paying to buy a few appartments and rent them afterwards, because the pension system in my country is totally privatized and fucked up, so the only way they have to stay alive after their productive life ends is to suck passively on other productive workers' wages. And that's a common practice on "middle-class" professional strata in my country, not just an isolated case.
How different would it be if the government owned the appartments, provided cheap housing for everyone, and guaranteed retirement for the elders... But no, that's GOMMUNISM, and GOMMUNISM BADD!!1!
What's funny about everyone in Eurovision voting Ukraine out of pity is that when Armenia was being invaded by Azerbaijan to do genoc*de things, neither was Azerbaijan banned from the contest, nor did Armenia get any pity points when they came back to the contest next year. Also Israel always gets a pass for whatever they do. Eurovision not being political is a joke.
As a Eurofan and an Armenophile, that first part is painfully true.
Dude, even easier, fucking Isr*el.
Comiting genocide and winning Eurovision
It's definitely not because Armenia isn't white. They (the Eurovision officials) would surely never have that kind of bias...
@@Tetragrammaton22 OMFG are you whining about the plight of teh hwytes again? Black Jesus Christ!
In the UK the welfare system pays for 75%+ of your rent if you're on low income, and I have no doubt this goes for other European countries as well, but it's ridiculous. Taxes go to paying the predatory prices of parasitic landlords when the government could instead build affordable homes, then sell them for cheap or rent them out for low prices and thereby actually gain income, rather than subsidize these people.
Don't forget it's your taxes that go to subsidized your own home that you can't afford.
Out of curiosity i tried to google if something like that is in my country but i have found nothing or they made it somehow extremely obscure...i remember checking the social housing in my city and holy shit, the list of requirements was basically tailor made for families with long time stable income who already rent but you can go fuck yourself if you have problem with cash and are not married.
My dad started charging me rent at 18. He said it was motivation to move out. Like I wanted to say there lol. I stayed 4 more years. Now I have a land lord
Your dad sounds like an awful human being. Sorry.
Protestant Jesus says you need to pay a master the rest of your life for the privilege of basic shelter.
Your dad just believed in the ethics of Protestant Jesus.
I used to live in a coop. Basicly, the state bought a building and ask the tenant to pay them back. We had an elected executive and regular general assembly to vote on how we want to spend the rent money and how hight the rent should be. Even with a mentaly unstable president who wouldnt do what he said he would, it still worked great.
Living the dream, man. Where do you live?
@Syphax Atlas hahaha Montréal, so the leftist city in NA!
@@Ajente02 Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
@@marc-andretrudeau4412 Ça ne marchaît pas si bien que ça à Cloverdale à l'époque. Crisse de Bourassa envoyait ses "gérants" (Louisbourg), et le loyer haussait en tabarnak! Cela dans les années 1980s.
(Translation: It didn't work as well in Cloverdale back in the day. Fcuking (then-Premier of Québec, Robert) Bourassa sent in third-party management (Louisbourg Corporation), and rents skyrocketed like a MFer. This was in the 1980s.)
Salut d'Ottawa d'un réfugié économique du Québec de longue date...and yeah, an Anglo too! 😂😂😂
@@marc-andretrudeau4412 P.S. The people finally wrested control from Québec in 1996 IIRC, but I don't have a lot of faith in the current board...
We have those "depressing" soviet buildings in my country, and most of them are renovated, repainted to nice, happy colors usually with a basic pattern on them.
I love when people say that, like let me introduce you to American suburbia where you have streets of identical and nearly identical houses all painted the same depressing shade of gray, oh yeah and you're 5 miles away from the nearest store, and there's no public transport cause that's only for those filthy poors
@@Comuniity_ Yes, and some places you aren't even allowed to do what you want with the house you own because it wouldn't fit in with the other houses or some shit like that???
@@kr00282 yeah HOAs, you can't avoid them in you want to live outside of poor and inner city areas and they have rules about what color your house can be rules about gardening if that's even allowed, what lawn decorations you can have. And then most states, my state Tennessee is one of the worst about this specifically, there's weird vague laws around housing that neighbors can anonymously report people for, stupid stuff like having a non functioning car not inside a garage, parking in your lawn, have tools just sitting out and even having like a piece of a 2x4 in your yard. I'm sure you can guess what group of people that last example of vague housing laws is used on.
@@Comuniity_ its even funnier when you drive to poorer states and theres just run down buildings actively caving in everywhere and everything else is an airbnb
would love to see you guys bring on more lgbt guests for something like this. it's not commonly talked about, but lgbt people tend to be particularly affected by issues like this. if you've been disowned by your family after coming out, you have now lost any generational wealth that your family may have been able to provide to you, however small it may be. that means no help on a down payment on a house, or hell, even co-signing for an apartment (3x rent requirements can eat my ass). of course we're not the only group affected by this, but it is something that hits us especially hard.
As a comment on zoning, it's not something bad by itself. Land use planning is extremely important for urban planning, in order to avoid human activities conflicting with each other in a disruptive way (for example, allowing noisy industrial activities in residential places, or dangerous gas statios near schools, etc). Also, not every land is suited for multiple-sized buildings (soil and hydric stress is important to consider when thinking in house density, as well as the transportation and other utilities).
The fucked up thing is this particular US exclusionary zoning, that doesn't allow affordable housing developments in "exclusive" zones, or that missuse mixed residential-commercial zones in urban "centers" by hoarding their properties and inflating their prices until noone could pay for living there and you get thousands of empty appartments in the closest sectors to where workplaces are.
agreed. Tho I must point out that with enough demand and/or as a norm, entires cities are solely composed of highrises for example in China. People are used to living in apartments and single-family housing is seen as an insane luxury to have.
I'm 21 and still living in my parents' basement. And I'm lucky that they're even letting me do that.
My wife and me continue pay the loan for the House, that my mother bought 12 years ago.
Funny thing is that the monthly cost is even cheaper than it would be renting an even smaller house/Appartement.
Note: Something that makes it even more impossible to afford apartments near your job for the working class is they will require you to make 3x the rent in income or they won't accept you, and if you try to rent with a roommate, they will require both roommates separately make 3x the amount of rent. They just don't want poor people period they make it so obvious.
Man.... just thanks for what you do. When the boot feels like it will crush me any minute now, you guys remind me that this is not normal and there is a reason I feel this way. I can't express how much that means. 🙏👏
I totally agree. I love these three, and I'm so thankful that they've showed me that things shouldn't be like this ❤️
Don't worry, I will [redacted] my landlord
Housing Segregation has barely budged since the 60s in Detroit especially. Gentrification is currently exacerbating it
You seen Space Babies' series on gentrification? Touches on some related themes...
th-cam.com/play/PLB9-xdadKE3587AEUmXpYT01PdbuRQCB_.html
i would love to [redacted] my landlord
Make sure to burn the serial number off the [REDACTED] before you do.
Listening now... (Jan 1 2024) Hearing you guys mention that whenever we listen there'll be some new crime perpetrated by the illegal entity... So sad how reliable this is
my part favorite of this show has to be all the homoerotic jokes
Eurovision participation is also decided by liberal dogma, banning Russia and Belarus but allowing Israel to participate.
There’s this patch of dirt behind my apt in my very impoverished neighborhood that is getting brand new apts built. Someone....definitely don’t know who....likes to fire shotgun rounds into the dirt.....late at night....for reasons.
Yeet Landlords!
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that sounds very familiar to those that have experienced gentrification.
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i’m studying so i must watch this later, but commenting for the algorithm
Wow, that's some heavy shit you're studying. Human behavioural biology.
Good luck. 🍀
All hail the mighty algorithm!
I love living in the suburbs, except for the fact that I can't afford a car and the nearest bus stop is a 20 minute bike ride or 45 minute walk to get to, and my parents both have jobs so I can't really rely on them very much to drive me places. But the urban areas, at least in my area of the US, are too polluted, noisy, and crowded for my physical or mental health to be able to handle long-term.
Also the real estate flipping as you spoke of is at the same levels of the real estate crash of 2008. That’s exactly what is happening now in America. I’ve been in my neighborhood for years. I’m very fortunate and cursed for that my rent for my 2 bedroom apt is only $850 a month while most apts of same square footage are at least $1,200 a month across the Nation. Right now as I type they are literally turning the patio of the apt building across the street into a bedroom. Lol. Exactly as you said. Bare minimum construction like putting in a window then flip it for a higher sell and more wealthy renters to move into my neighborhood and gentrify it.
I wonder how many people are listening to this because they saw a crazy person waving a sign at traffic?
Please do explain.
@@Ajente02 I kinda stood at an intersection the other day for about six hours, waving a sign at traffic promoting this podcast while waiting for my power to come back on.
@@comradeinternet467 that's beautiful
@@comradeinternet467 You're my idol, dude. Keep fighting the good fight!
Put deprogram business cards on those cork boards with local shit happening on them.
5:43 aged like wine. 100% accurate
Just finishing the podcast, yes please, I would love a video discussing the leach lord's arguments!
Activity for the algorithm.
Yugopnik's favorite part of the milkshake is the cherry? YUGOPNIK DOESN'T LIKE MILKSHAKES? That's it, I'm turning in my card and joining the fashies.
I'd like to note, just for the record, that the out of control housing situation isn't even _just_ bad for renters. Increasing property values also raise the cost of property taxes accross the board, making it more expensive to own a property just for your own use.
So even getting to the point where you can afford a house completely paud off, skyrocketing rent prices _still hit your wallet._ It's literally _just_ good for landlords, at the expense of everyone who doesn't have the ability or desire to be a parasite.
Moldova brings absolute bangers to Eurovision every year and they deserve to win.
When you started talking about Mixed Use Development, that reminded me of a great line from a Not Just Bikes video th-cam.com/video/bnKIVX968PQ/w-d-xo.html "You'll hear urban planners talk about 'Mixed Use Development', which is what rest of the world calls 'The Way You Build Things'." XD
Mao Now!
I’m a Planner, I would love to talk to these guys about the land use stuff. There are quite a bit of details that most ppl don’t register, and a large part is because most ppl just don’t know how government works. But, 100% US style City/municipal Planning has destroyed the country and has been exported to other places.
Essentially. Normally I hate podcasts, which I find somewhat lazy, but not this one, I love this podcast primarily because it discusses the crises of the game getting rigged against us normal people who have have to face the corporate BS literally everyday
This episode was absolute fire!
Great episode as always, would love to see an episode discussing landlord arguments
one neighborhood in my city has been fighting the installation of a bike line to downtown because "then homeless people would be able to ride their bikes in here to camp"
Great episode
Dog I can't even get approved for a Roku TV.
Another amazing Podcast, bringing truth to justice, keep up the great work guys!
Wuuuuuu New Episode!!
Aw, I hear those peacocks around 16:54, I thought they might be the peacocks that a guy across the river owns, but nope they're in the video.
"It is a sad reflection on our society that something as simple as -bottled water- _a peacock_ is now a branded commodity to be bought and sold."
I am in Sydney, Australia. Moved out and dedicate 55% of my pay to rent. 1 bedroom apartment. I have a masters degree and work for a small firm with a boss who earns 600k per year
Listen here, Jack!
My wife and I have to move from Las Vegas to Phoenix (US) due to family obligations and our rent is going up 90% to over $2000 a month! Fuck these Landlords! I work a trade and my wife works for Amazon. We will make it work but I wonder what other working people are going to do. I could have never survived this working retail.
25:27 now that’s fucked up. I like to use the point Hassan made in one of his videos, that the government should just do it without question. Sort of like how the government construct police stations, fire stations, public schools, different healthcare institutions that are slightly public funded, they should just be something that a standard. Sort of like how China builds up several different cities to prepare for the increase in population.
"By the time you're listening to this, something else will have happened in Palestine." Well, you're not wrong there
Mao really knew what he was talking about
I actually like ya JT, but your redlining breakdown was bad. You didn't even say the word "mortgage", which is literally what redlining described: Federal government home loans being unavailable [EDIT:] *to Black people* to buy homes in "certain" neighbourhoods, delineated on a FHA map with red lines. Also, IIRC, this shit started in 1946, not "the early sixties". [ADDENDUM... Obviously, this coincides with the end of WWII, when Black GIs had a shit ton of cash to buy homes...but Unkkkle Sam put a stop to that!]
This is the kind of topic you really need to break down with a guest; a "generalist" panel simply can't cover everything!
Thank you wise Neanderthal man.
@@michaelslowmin
Love you boiz
Finally leftists talking about Eurovision👏 We stan. It's so sad that France got so little points, but then again, I hated cheering for France. I just loooove Breton culture.
The egotists are making the rules. Impending destruction.
24:33 - Zoning Laws
5:40 ...
I'm from Argentina and thanks to the national bank which has some non-profit driven policies, I was able to buy my first appartment with my wife with a very cheap loan meant to people who wants to buy a first home. Obviously not everybody can have it but I believe it should be a good policy of goverments to help people to buy its first home instead of forcing them to ethernal renting.
6:05 Something has indeed happened in Palestine 😬
Just fyi... I did quit my job and start my own business, but not to become the oppressor, I did that to escape the oppressor. In my field I figured I could get myself more clients than my boss was giving me at the time. Which ended up being the true, I got myself more work. Also I'm not treated so horribly by bosses... It's just me :) And I really feel like I almost have a version of PTSD or just high anxiety with treatment from bosses in the work place. People tell me they want to start their own business just so they can breathe and not be treated so terribly. I'm still working for myself, but not to become the oppressor... I work for myself to escape the oppressors... It's my only option. I know not everyone has this option either or it doesn't work out, and and so far I've been lucky. Also... I have a very small business, no employees, and I rent when I wish I could own a home... I feel the housing problem every day, thank you for this video! Also side note; one apartment I lived in, when things broke, they wanted US to pay for it, even when it was determined it was the previous tenants who broke it...
yeah most polish cities are just partly zoned.
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Pls do more
Daddy hakim, I own my home and rent out rooms to my classmates should I [redacted] myself?
It's the only solution.
_dewit_
Based upon Hakim's previous videos: no, you shouldn't.
Hakim explicitly says near the start of both his vids on landlords that his comments on landlords don't generally apply to people who own one or two properties and rent out a few rooms to make some supplemental income (or if they do apply, it's to a much lesser extent). His real quarrel is with the people and corporations who use rent as a primary means of income.
Livestream it
If you own it, you should allow your classmates to stay and help cover normal house operating costs. If youre profiting or having them pay your mortgage, youre a parasite and yes, [REDACTED] yourself
I already knew all of this, but more and more I'm realizing how backwards the US is.
it whould be nice if you made a stream talking about different communist parties today ( who are revisionst etc )
1:27:26 you could look at it like that which in my opinion is a very American view of things. You could also look at it as you become aware of more things so you want to experience them or learn about them.
It's like how Americans say lefties are never satisfied and they always want more when for the most part we just want a society to act like one. They say I should be grateful for how things are bc they could always be worse but my rebuttal is that they could always be a hell of a lot better as well and if I look at things from their perspective I see that that just allows everything to degrade and get worse over time as it already has in the US. That's like saying that cavemen are bad for making better spears.
Eurovision is an awful joke. Nothing can change my mind.
hey can you guys make video on the problem of how companies profit off of pride month
Habibi, I am always interested in whatever you guys have to say
My grandpa is a mid size landlord, 20 properties, 30 units. Trying to work on a project with him to build 17-18 houses on 0.8 acres of land. Im having to use so many loopholes to get this thing built because of how strict american zoning laws are. One example is that there is a strict height limit that limits houses to being 2 stories with a roof. Or another example is that there needs to be 1 parking space per bedroom, so the house just to happens to have a very large office so dont need to make 36 parking spaces on a lot 1/4 of a mile from a very good bus stop (1 bus every 7 min each way, 4 diffrent ways). So difficult to do these middleclass houses, there isnt anything special about them and its an arm and a leg to do.
yes, i fucking hate landlords, my parents work at a property managemet company and the money being stollen by these landlords from the middle and lower class every month is what radiclaized me. Ive seen these aparments, ive worked on them, they are absolute shit and are 3k a month!
Holy guacamole, 30 units landlord is seen in the US as "mid-size"??? My parents barely have 3 appartments and they live pretty well of them.
@@Ajente02 yep, anything under 100 is considered mid size by most people, they nowhere near the top percent of landlords, its crazy here
Out of curiosity and as a filthy degenerate with a mathematics fetish, I did a little math to empirically demonstrate precisely HOW stupid--like we know it's stupid, obviously absurd, just on its face, but I wanted to quantify and visualize it--so assuming a Starbucks venti latte today costs $4.15 and one bought 2 per week, with 52 weeks for a year, for say 50 years (just a number chosen for ease of use and being very roughly an approximation of "typical working years" for a given life, granted in fact many if not MOST people probably find they have to work longer than that to "make ends meet") I get a grand total of $21,580.00. That's the TOTAL LIFETIME spending--the amount one would save following the suggestion of cutting out all lattes (assuming a 2/week average and so forth as assumed), and that cumulatively over 50 years. Granted, this example ignores inflation, but I did some more rough math and assuming 2% average inflation over those 50 years, I BELIEVE the total you'd end up paying (or saving if you cut it out) is like 1.3 times higher or so as a result of the cumulative inflation during that period (again, assuming 2% average), which is like $29K. STILL several orders of magnitude short of the "modest loans" of a few hundred thousand or million dollars many capitalists obtained to start the seeds of what became their vast capital fiefdoms later in life. ALSO that's FIFTY YEARS of cumulative savings.
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Actually I'm pretty sure I read on Twitter that a landlord is Luna Oi
No. She s not.
@@Darloss9508 it's called a joke.
@@jadasakura leftism is when no joke. I read that on Twitter.
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Lol. I don't really know exactly what gentrification is or what people think it is. But whenever I hear it to me it always just sounds like people getting upset because other people are making the houses more expensive with you. Would think everyone would want but the image given is that of poorer black women being mad that their property taxes are going to go up lol.
algo
New York very much so, but a lot of other smaller northeastern U.S. cities to their credit are not as much a victim to the suburban blight and actually have a majority of neighborhoods dominated by mixed use zoning
Mixed-use ZONING means you can only construct such things where cities decide you can...so not in existing suburbs that surround every major city in North America. And where might they decide to permit it? Here in Ottawa, it's in undesirable locations near the highway and massive "big box" shopping centres. There are a few nearer downtown, but they're mostly condos and much more expensive.
Landlords *are* parasites but Hakim blaming capitalism for me wanting my own place, my own house separate from my family is just silly. Hakim... I have my own house in part because I don't enjoy the idea of my parents and grandparents hearing me having rough dirty sex with my husband, chancing in on seeing some of our toys or the clothing I wear or any of it. I'm preeeeeeeettttttttyyyyyyyyyy sure most people would agree with me on that point. I'd define most of human history as miserable because it was normal for a woman to be shuffled off to live in her new home with her mother in law watching her every waking breathing moment for the rest of her miserable life criticizing everything she does. Now we have our own space which is healthy instead of living in a big pile like hamsters or something.
Algorithm please
1:23:21 this is the main difference between communists and anarchists lol. You are joking while we would mean it
Why redacted?
@@ozymandias___868 What?
@@ozymandias___868 What did they say?
@@ozymandias___868 How Jesus, how thick am I?!
51:29 no, it's (roommates) a way for others to gain access to all your belongings and have virtually no privacy.
Ugh, yeah. Shit keeps happening in palestine
I want people to stop saying "capital" when they're talking about "money." They aren't exactly the same thing and people need to stop doing that.
As much as I enjoy listening to Hakim ramble and rant, I think he takes over these episodes every single time. There should be roughly 1/3 of talking by each person, considering there are 3 people...
I think you guys should reduce the amount of white people bashing you do. It probably feels nice to "get back" at them or something but consider how many people will listen to that, every single week, and just get totally turned off of any other message you have to say. It gets grating after a while.
This is some real Yakubian energy my friend.
@@michaelslowmin Kind of making my point. Friend.
@@Tetragrammaton22 Okay, to seriously respond to you, white supremacy has historically been the ideological backbone that justifies imperialism and capitalism in general. It's the seed that allowed the horror of the trans Atlantic slave trade and indigenous genocide to grow. It's what justifies the starvation of Afghan children and allows us to be numb to the oppression of Palestinians. I'm white and if I took it seriously when non white people punched up and made some jokes, I'm essentially not allowing oppressed people to blow off steam to address the real issues that have caused their oppression. If me as a white person can't take a joke about being a settler (which I am), how can I ever be expected to be a good comrade? How could anyone trust me if I become resentful of jokes that represent real and ongoing atrocities? I think it's important for white people to first and foremost grapple with their white supremacy and understand that is the underlying ideology that keeps the system together. Capitalism cannot begin to be dismantled until that is truly attacked at the roots. I truly believe that. Now, I'm not expecting everyone to be perfect 100% of the time, but you can begin to dismantle the programming of white supremacy if you know it's there. If white people really get offended by some jokes about whiteness they should ask themselves why they're offended by it. It's prolly because there's some issues they haven't dealt with. I think white supremacy will always be a stumbling block for white leftists until they address these issues. Sorry for the tldr and the joke, I couldn't help myself, but I don't mean no harm.
@@michaelslowmin I don't disagree with you. I, however, think that if you want to get non-communist white people to listen to you it would probably help to not constantly shit on them for really basic cultural things like jargon, sayings and common benign practices.
@@michaelslowmin You have it back asswards. White supremacism is not the foundation of capitalism, but the other way around. Capitalism needed a context/construct/justification for chattel slavery, thus "whiteness" -- and the obligatory counterpoint, "blackness" -- came into being. To this point, and unlike the modern "American English" usage, "black" was not a synonym for "African". IOW, all victims of European imperialist aggression (a.k.a. non-"white" people) were considered "black". This usage is common back to at least the early 16th C. when Portuguese colonizers landing in so-called Brazil described the Indigenous people they encountered as _negros do terra_ ("blacks of this land"), to distinguish from Africans colonized and enslaved by Portugal.
Happy to chat more about this. I don't have all the answers, but with respect, you clearly don't either. Cheers.
Could we get Adam something as guest on an episode in the potential future?
Ew, no. Dude is a Russia-phobe that likes Russian suffering.
Actually, it's fine, I like to see the shitshow.
The pro-nuclear war, Azov Batallion defender, Nazi collaborator apologist, Adam Something? No thanks, there are better urban planning channels out there to invite.
@@Ajente02 ur not srs 💀😂
@@Tokii141 Pretty serious. Watch BadEmpanada's latest videos on him.
@@Ajente02 I'll watch it but I am skeptical to say the least, even if what you say is true his videos about city planning have good points and although the azov is bad at least they help Ukraine against Russia and Ukraines probably better off taking any help they can get
20:10 Nice peacock