The Deprogram Episode 19 - Fascism (No Lebensraum??)
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- What is fascism anyway? Did Stalin ratio Hitler? Important questions 🤔
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I have never heard American westward expansion described as lebensraum…but wow is that an accurate way to describe it.
All European colonization of other continents, really.
@@fun_ghoul idk about that, since lots of Spanish Latin American colonization and 19th century British colonization was primarily about resource extraction via native labor power, rather than as mass migratory settlement of frontiers as was seen in American westward expansion, and was the vision of the Nazi regime’s lebensraum of Eastern Europe. Both are, of course, disgusting, but there are differences in results produced imo
@@MortVaanderwaal You have it ass backwards. Like, who do you think "The Pilgrims" were? They were religious rejects, who'd spent several years hanging out in Holland. The French also sent their "inferiors" to go forth and multiply, like the Basques and Bretons, essentially to ethnically cleanse France.
@@MortVaanderwaal Also, the very legal basis for European colonial imperialism is _terra nullius._ This frame makes it sound like the (purported) reason for colonization was for _lebensraum._ "Give me your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free," etc.
@@MortVaanderwaal One more: Besides the US and Mexico, most places remained subjects of a European power into the 20th C., and clearly saw themselves as part of a greater whole, regardless of where the home office was.
Hakim’s neurotic laugh makes all of his segments take twice as long but I love it cause his energy is *chefs kiss*.
Really? Because I think he's rather obnoxious when he laughs. In fact I wish they would all just skip all the stupid humor and go straight to the info.
@@quinnadam3024 I don't care go have sex with your pet
@@quinnadam3024 Get some grass in your life my friend
As an Iraqi he deserves a little laugh after everything his country suffered
@@quinnadam3024arent you a joyless prick
That point about impotence being related to fascist tendency is a good one. A lot of people are all too willing to provide some extremely reductionist explanation for why something or someone is a certain way.
Viagra, the (blue) antifascism pill.😳
@@grmpEqweer Communists are just as impotent as fascists.
While I will agree with that specific point, there is I would say enough scientific evidence that points in the direction of 'authoritarian personalities'. This has practical implications as well, because it gives us ways in how to empower those people to overcome their tendencies.
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They have to want to overcome authoritarian tendencies.
@@grmpEqweer That is part of empowerment. If one does not see alternatives, they cannot want them. I will not disagree that there can be people out there that really have a character that does not do well in a social (non-competitive) environment. That is the difference though: characters cannot be changed, personalities can be.
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The amount of e-commerce ads I get on your videos is ridiculous.
Maybe it's more useful in planning interventions to see fascism as a multifactorial elitist fenomenon, a non-negotiable belief in the superiority of a group over another, fascism as a capitalist expression of complex social elitism.
Preservation of social hierarchies (not just class structure, but race, gender, sexuality, ableness, age, etc), creation of outgroups (to unify a majority against a minority and pretend other social hierarchies don't matter), negation of complexity (conceptual oversimplification of reality, offering oversimplified solutions to complex problems), appeal to idealised tradition including religion (because in the good old days...), permissive use of force (because we have the right to defend what we have from those who want whatever it may be).
I can't pick which one is my favorite
Could do without the ableist schizophrenia “humor”. This coming from a doctor is twice as shameful.
Heavily agree
It's 76 minutes of people talking, why not timestamp the moment you're referring to?
@@hoagielamp6543 I’m sorry mr president, do you not have 76 minutes to spare? Quit your whining. What are you doing here if not listening to this podcast?
@@johnbrown8570 I didn't hear it apparently.
It's at 9:30, the joke being that Hakim has intrusive auditory hallucinations. Jesus Christ the horror.
As someone who is part Native, when I was taught about the Trail of Tears I was like 12 and it was framed as everyone getting rounded up and moved across the country; the only thing that sounded terrible from this framing was forcing them to walk the entire way, but I was never taught about the violence. I was so pissed when I finally learned what really happened; at least own up to it
Mussolini did say "fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism" and even if he didn't (he did) it would still be a fairly accurate statement.
Hakim laugh is so contagious lol you guys together are pure energy, great podcast
Agreed. I love his humor and how he cracks himself up. When he laughs, I end up laughing just because he's laughing 😆
Interesting, Yugopnik. I heard Candace Owens try to make the point that black Americans should be on board with keeping Mexicans out of the country as the more of them come the smaller the relative population of black people becomes - and therefore they will lose political influence. I really just thought she was trying to rationalize being racist against Mexicans but I didn't pick that up as being fascist.
It goes over her head that solidarity is a thing thus she thinks she can justify xenophobia to secure political relevance.
@@melelconquistador I'm confident solidarity is not a thing in her universe. "There is no such thing as society" and down from there.
She did say that the mediocre Austrian painter who became an infamous genocidal dictator of Germany had done "some good things" one time, as though trying to rehabilitate him. I wouldn't put it past her if that was another intentional mask slip on her part.
“🥺no lebensraum?🥺”
Explanations or descriptions of other lesser known fascist governments sounds like an important discussion, if only to portray other examples that are not commonly spoken of.
everytime the kgb ball licking unit is brought up i cry real tears
I miss the measurement of wealth by BMW
Mashallah daddy The Deprogram has uploaded
Alhamdulillaaaahhh
It is important to link fascist economic practice with neoliberal economics in practice.
What Hitler and Mussolini did with the economy was literally a prototype of what Reagan, Thatcher, Pinochet and Yeltsin did in the 70s - 90s.
genitalia jokes must continue + do an episode about fascism in different countries + didn't know about korean war, will look it up thanks
you're in for a not fun time!
It is horrifying what they did to Korea.... I have sympathy for DPRK, they were turbo screwed by the west
@@whythelongface64 On the other hand, what South Korea had been and still going through right now is self inflicted. Turning from a dictatorship shithole to a neolib shithole.
Ahh the irony, when Hakim dismisses the relation between male impotency and facism, Brazil's facist president just made a speech on Brazil's independence day about how he's not sexually impotent.
When I was in high school we got taught about the trail of tears, we had a whole project about Native Americans. The thing is that our history program barely addressed the wrongs of the Netherlands, the country we live in. I’ve heard Dutch people bash America because they don’t teach their children about their wrongs but the Netherlands does the same thing.
true, I can attest to that. we love to paint ourselves as the open minded progressive liberals that ride bicycles and love gay people but nobody likes to talk about our brutal colonial past and our status as a tax haven..
Britian is the same. You know the empire is barely even mentioned in our history classes? Actual madness
Inderdaad. En tegelijkertijd de GEKOLONISEERD meme lol...
Laatse tijd wordt het wat beter, maar ja... Ben benieuwd hoe het wordt nu na Rutte.
@@uponthebayThe biggest colonial empire of like ever... and they don't even mention it?
@@BS-bd4xoNou daar zitten we dan, 37 zetels naar een populist die de arbeidersklasse afleid van hun échte problemen door “immigranten” de schuld te geven. 😂😂
Small correction but the movie “The Soviet Story” was not funded or endorsed by the EU but was made by funding from a political group (EU parliament party) of far right (nazis and fascists but considered “far right” over here “officially”) called the Union for Europe of the Nations. Still, many of the political group’s member’s parties have/had very openly fascist and nazi names and flags (all members were pretty mask off however) and some of the parties in the, now defunct, political group even had multiple representatives elected to the EU. Of course the nazis and fascists aren’t gone. Almost a tenth of the current parliament’s members are in a “far right” party which is pretty openly mask off about their actual political ideology. There’s another “far right” party which is less obvious in their messaging but many of their members are from either openly “neo-fascist” parties or from regular fascist parties who keep the mask on.
EU politics is very weird and messy. It’s quite the daunting task to explain even the simplest of the political ongoings, but I tried to keep it somewhat short without to many tangents.
I love the sub frequencies generated by Yugopnik blowing in to the microphone. It rattles my apartment.
Palingenetic Ultranationalism is a good definition for the symptoms of fascism, but not for the root cause and reason behind it all.
Some definitions for ya;
Patriotism: Love for ones country while admitting and not being blind to its atrocities and shortcomings
Nationalism: Love for ones country and believing (often irrationally) that it's the best country on earth
Ultranationalism: Love for the idea of what ones country 'used to be' that never existed (often paired with hatred of what it is now or "has become")
I believe the definition is well equipped to deal and summarize all of the symptoms - All of the symptoms, not everything - of Fascism (while the examples Yugo picks need more backstory to really disprove this)
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Thats...not what nationalism is.
@@sambird7 Nobody is talking about nationalism as in the want for nationhood around a nationality in the present day. So, what definition do you give for nationalism?
That's why we have socialist patriotism in socialist country and not the BS that's called national socialism.
My interpretation of the Fascist femboy thing is that it's a way of being a sexually rapacious freak about trans women (a beloved reactionary hobby) but with more of a memetic ironic facade to keep your based groyper friends from calling you a homo
"When you look up the femboys do you look for the ones with the little ones or the big ones? The big ones, right? Ain't that straight!" - Comrade Exotic
ok. Lets make something clear.
I WANT THE NAME OF THIS INTRO SONG. IT'S A BANGER.
THE NATION I'M GONNA COOOOOOOM
8:14 A Spanish here. The Spanish fascists have a fascination (fascist-nazi-on *ba dum tss*) with the Spanish colonial empire and the Tercios, though it is true that many fascists came from the Army of Africa (they weren't unsuccessful all the time, though).
As an American who wants to retire to Spain... It is very hard to find good resources on learning Spanish history post fascism/dictatorship.
I'm English there is a huge gap from Roman colonialism until Caribbean colonialism, then Spanish-American war then straight into WW1 when Spain has a civil war. WW2 Spain sides with the Germans but never joined the war... nothing more to be found after this point. No modern stuff in English past the fall of the dictator.
6:35 How is it debatable? The US is fascist. We have never even been a democracy at all. It's always been a fascist state. Because it is always truly been a state of companies from the start.
A little late to the party but please don't slander the good name of femboys by association with facism or even being exclusively submissive/gay in the bedroom xD
you should totally have Taimur Rahman on. He's been on Luna Oi before and he's the general secretary of the Pakistan Communist Party. He's also musician for the leftist band Laal
3:54 my granddad smoked cigarettes until he was about 60 and he's 76 now and never had lung problems I still don't know how he did it
My Grandpa wasn’t so lucky 😔
@@tankpiggy Mine wasn't lucky as well.
Just because it doesn't manifest itself don't mean there is no damages
Life is a lottery. Doing stuff bad for your health just changes your odds. For example, if you play the lottery every single day, you have vastly better chances to win (still small) compared to you playing only once in your life. Likewise, smoking makes it much more likely to get lung cancer (still small) compared to if you don't smoke at all.
my grandpa smoked until his early 90s and was in good enough health at the time to go out to the local corner shop and buy cigarettes lmao, he died at 98, he didn't really seem to have any complications from the smoking but I can only imagine how long he'd have lived if he hadn't ever smoked. I guess he was just an exceptionally lucky individual; like the oldest human ever was smoking until she was 117 I think and still lived to 122 it's crazy how resistant some people can be.
It will be funny if you guys get Hassan as a guest
More than funny, my brain would explode. In a good way.
Is he a Marxist?
@@avigailpekelman8239 No, but he's the least liberals of common leftist and does look like someone who are willing to listen to Socialist ideas.
Guess what
Its nice kinda economic perspective on fascism in Germany ww2 on that channel th-cam.com/video/oyJTv_qLqsI/w-d-xo.html for english view, also a lot heavy videos on italy and japan, but only on russian language. Also, amazing podcast, little marxist international).
"Bananas are a bit radioactive."
Sh1t, I eat a lot of bananas.
Don't worry, your natural radioactive-ness is much larger than what the banana gives you.
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Thanks. I feel a glowing sense of relief.
Maybe it's the radioactive Chernobyl commie bananas that made you a commie podcast listener?
@@longlostwraith5106Okay but what about 3 bananas a day
Fascism in its most basic form, is Hypocrisy.
Yep
I hear almost a norm MacDonald joke
5 years from now they will make a movie about “the ghost of kiev” I guarantee it. And it’s going to be a comedy. Mark my words.
4 years left!
It already exists, I think.
I would find them having a discussion about communismand fascism in fiction, whether that be cliche examples like "it can't happen here," "1984," or "animal farm" or lesser known stories. It might be well tread ground depending on who you ask, but an analysis on how these are portrayed in imaginary senses and what is exaggerated, what might be wrong, and why one group will always insist that it's actually a negative portrayal of the other side, no matter what the authors true intentions were
see i love yall and your humor but sometimes i really want to have yall explain something to someone i know and i cant let them listen cause like,,,
Felt this way on the very first episode. Lots of gay jokes. Welp, can't show a family member this. Still love them though.
Can you guys do an episode about capitalism and it’s effects on mental health?
I’m glad y’all finally agreed it all went wrong at agriculture and sedentism lol
Me listening to the podcast just now realizing all capitalist terminology can just be turnt into dick jokes
"Hey baby, wanna *exploit* my labor? Wanna *capitalize* on my means of *production* , huh? Wanna *conglomerate* ?, 'cause *my* labor has surplus value ;) ;) ;)"
@@lukesmith8896 This sounds like something Musk would say in the bedroom if women actually liked him.
@@notenoughmemes1847Nah we know what he says in bed "I'll buy you a horse"
@@CraigKeidel petah, the horse is here
I've seen and heard "palingenetic ultranationalism" used a few places before. I think it was Innuendo Studio's "Alt-Right Playbook" that first introduced me to it.
Incidentally, "Make America Great Again" lines up with it quite well.
What are your guys's views on Putin?
I've gone through all the podcasts up to this point, but I want to give one bit of feedback before I continue watching the rest.
@Hakim: Please try to resist the urge to swear every fifth word. You have great things to say, but it's starting to get a bit distracting ^^'
For those who want to turn it into a game: take a shot every time Hakim swears. Risk of being drunk in 90 seconds is high, just to warn you.
_Disclaimer: I'm not religious, I swear myself, I don't mind swearing in general_
There are Americans who know of the Korean War, but only because they watched MASH in syndication.
Eh a lot of millennials have grandparents that served in Korea
WWII started because Hitler was jealous of Stalins glorious beard
Stalin did not have a beard
@@avigailpekelman8239 except that he did though
Moustache
Nice
JT is the token white guy :D
Gentlemen, question: how can I differentiate bonapartism from fascism? Cheers mates.
Second Thought recently released a pretty good video on bonapartism
Just use the chain rule
Fascism is whatever politics and rhetoric is most convenient for opportunists in defending capital. I remember learning about manifest destiny in high school and being alienated that the entire class seemed to unquestioningly think it was okay.
Love this! I think maybe some interviews with people connected to CPEC would be nice two! like Pakistanis or others! Would love to know more of CPEC from a non-chinese perspective, though i know you guys do not take requests.. :)
27:34 you say that ironically but the irish governmeny sent a letter of condolences to the german people for the bastards suicide.
"What is wrong with white people, or liberals I guess"
Hash browns are potatoes and oil and butter and lard and bacon grease and Vaseline
Wait, what's that last one doing there?
@@Tetragrammaton22 Haven't you ever worked at a Denny's
Advice -- the least you can do is coat your throat with Honey before you fall asleep...if you ever do sleep.
i just hopped onto r/political compass memes and it anoyed me so much
I used to love that sub, when I got into politics a bit. Shifted me to the right a bit (was still a leftist tho and partially thank AdamSomething for that). But then half a year qgo I wanted to hear out what commies had to say... and quickly became a socialist. Yay.
nice episode
"No lebensraum?" absolutely sent me.
51:19 I actually would have liked to hear Hakim finish that thought.
Bash the Fash
bro we need to do some very click baity comunims memes XD
man im so hooked on this podcast
I love comunims memes
An episode named fully automated luxurious gay communism discussing the scientific advancement of communism.
i think Hitler also took inspiration from the Armenian Genocide by the ottoman empire, and said something around "who remembers the Armenians"
5:42 "I'm not gay but I am Swedish" Greentext story is what he is talking about
Wow
at this point i dn't even believe the ukraine exists lmoao
Btw, hash browns are shredded, fried potatoes. It’s a breakfast thing.
Fun fact, when the Nuremberg Laws (eugenics and anti-miscegenation laws) were implemented in 1935, Amerikan eugenicist Joseph DeJarnette was quoted in newspapers across the country, saying "The Germans are beating us at our own game."
I mean they were, nazi germany took inspiration from America
I would like a study on individual studies affected or do fascism
Anyone else with no audio?
On the mobile app, no audio
Edit: fixed now
Still processing probably, I have no issues
@@YUGOPNIK Yep audio just finished processing. Fixed on mobile app :)
You can turn on the sound on Spotify and watch visual on TH-cam
@@deptusmechanikus7362 biggest brain
Love that part at the end of the yellow parenti talk.
1:07:54 well well well, how the turntables
He showed his capital 😳
1000th like LETS GO
Este cineva român?
It's green go home.
great EP
Cigar time, hell yeah
20 mil per year is how many die under capatilism
We have the cold thing here in South Africa too!!! I’m shocked that Americans don’t say it I thought is was universal