The Deprogram Episode 26 - Deprogramming Boomers
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- With age comes wisdom. As well as baggage. Generations were never as different from each other as today. This complicates matters for families, as well as political movements. We try to navigate that space and talk about our experiences, tips, praxis and tricks.
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I have always been surprised about how based my grandfather is. He was a black socialist before I even knew what the term ment. Very happy to have another comrade in the family lol
I'm jelly
@@michaelslowmin you are human
@@avigailpekelman8239 truly I am
Purely anecdotal but older black people ive talked to, like people who were teenagers and early 20s when organizations like the BPP were still around, are usually pretty progressive atleast on the economic front
Well idk if you're american but the civil rights movement had very socialist roots that would be obscured by revisionist history and capitalist propaganda in following decades. Like the amount of black radicals in that regard is notable.
Hakim: “Imagine how life was like 100 years ago in your country and what traditions existed…”
Me as a German: *silently looks away.
Germany had pretty based worker movements too.
well 100 years ago it was the german empire not the n@z1s
@@thefacelessstranger4983Germany WAS the workers movement of the world from 1850-1918 until the f social democrats betrayed us and supported capitalist fascist.
Hakim: no one would sit around listen to us for 5 hours
*me a Chad who binged watched 10 episodes in one day reflecting on the best use of his time*
A year later, here I am recovering from a stroke doing the same thing! :)
@@eddypasta8234 Great news eddy hope you get well soon ^^
I literally watched every single episode (with some repeats )😭
Literally just watched JT's video "Socialism for Absolute Beginners" which came out today and this podcast is a great continuation of the conversation started there. Also, that one is more shareable as it lacks intro banter-although, as a veteran of The Deprogram, it might feel there's something missing.
I watch these at my job. I took a second too lock my screen because a coworker was coming to say some dumb shit. I didn't wanna blow my cover. I saw them talking, and was like who the fuck is this shuttershock, default skin, white dude he got to read these lines?!
@@Lildoc911 I know, right? I was like: "Man, these AI-generated deepfakes are getting way too realistic."
I commented underneath the video: "[...] Also, nice to see you. Now we just need to trick Hakim and Yugopnik to do the same. 😸"
there is nothing more beautiful than the love between hakim and yugopnik. i know it's joking a bit, but the portrayal is very queer and realistic and i absolutely love it.
they are secret lovers :)
@imagine pineapples "secret" c:
My mom's an antivaxxer, my aunt trusted Invermectin over vaccines, my sister voted for Trump but is outraged by Anti abortion legislation, and my step-dad thinks Muslims are going to take over the country. There's no hope for these people.
I've always been under the impression that if you were to talk to a boomer or republican about socialism without using the "buzz words" that set them in a rage, they would actually very likely agree with you. It's like, the words themselves are what they recognize and have been told is evil, but if you were to explain the words without inherently using them, you'd be able to have more of a conversation without them flipping shit, you know?
It just trips me out bc you’re right! But then how do you get them on board with any movement associated with those terms that they are afraid of
@@pluto1947 Several things need to be done when dealing with those, first is getting them over the language barrier, second is showing how the system they've supported their entire lives is directly harming them and what needs to be done with it.
It's true! Your hunch is pretty spot on when an experiment was done with multiple policies written in neutral terms. No lib or con talk, just normal people speaking, and turns out, over 80% of people agreed to pretty much...every issue. Some stuff like religion can make the difference but most of time, it feels like a no brainer.
I've been trying this for several years with my reactionary (and liberal) working class friends and relatives in the US. I've had a surprising amount of "success" in finding what seems to be genuine agreement on all sorts of important issues, but it seems to only ever last about as long as the conversation, or until they retreat back to the familiar reactionary (or liberal) echo-chambers. Subsequent conversations begin right back at GOP (or DNC) talking points. It's like "Groundhog's Day," but not funny.
Yeah my uncle that voted for Trump actually agrees with a lot of things I believe when I talk to him without using the wrong scary words.
“No one will listen to 5 hours of us”
Bet.
I came to within 12 hours of death, from neglecting the dentist...spent a week in the hospital, fighting the infection. It had spread from my jaw, all the way through my middle ear, and was causing scariness next to my brain. Get that looked at; teeth are nothing to mess with.
As a white american I am so grateful I had 2 socialist grandpas and a marxist uncle who married an anarchist, so pretty much my whole family is chill as fuck about all this stuff, as with all families some became dipshit reactionaries or well meaning liberals but they never show up to our holidays anyway. I think I occupy a semi-unique place in this respect because my holiday dinner tables are filled with real enlightening conversations about the issues our society and family face. Like when I debate my uncle about Lenin, it is real debate about Lenin, not a total reactionary-fascist's IDEA of Lenin because my uncle is not a reactionary-fascist american and just for that I am so grateful to so many things and people. I am genuinely sorry to anyone whose family or loved ones has been consumed by the forces of capitalism and reaction, good luck and never stop educating yourself and others about building socialism.
good for you man all my femly is homophobic racist ntisemetich anti comunists and im a gay comunist if i start talking im gana haw to start a fight lol
Wow that's pretty awesome friend. I wouldn't imagine that's all that common, although probably not as rare as some would think.
Lucky.
I have to explain that russia is capitalist literslly every time i see my parents.
Can y'all adopt me?
@@alcidesbeyond im not old enoph to adopt wait for a bit and iwl see what i can do
Yooo Yugopnik get that tooth fixed man. Dental health is way more important than a lot of people realize. It's rare but even a small infection in the root of a tooth can go septic and cause serious life-threatening complications.
I have had A hole in A tooth that keeps worsening. I fear the dentist.
That line killed me, it's such an Eastern European sentiment. People are really weird about poking at their teeth here. A bunch of my friends outright refuse to floss with no explanation.
"My heart lays to the left and my blood is red". ✊🏻❤
There is more value in converting the young. Not only are they the future leaders, but they are also the ones to shape popular culture and therefore influence more people. It is the youth that will help us make socialist ideas 'mainstream'
We need to pull them away from unboxing and shopping haul videos on tiktok or whatever it is that they do nowadays and get them excited about a better future
Yeah I’ve always been sort of confused about the fixation a lot of people seem to have around radicalizing boomers (and reactionaries in general as this episode veers into a bit). Like I guess it’s nice to be able to have a civil discussion about politics with your older relatives and one less reactionary in the world is always a good thing but if I’m being completely honest we don’t need grandma in the vanguard and our radicalization efforts should be focused more on poor people who have understandably checked out of the political options that liberal democracy makes available.
There is value in attempting to include more groups. The youth get their programming from their elders; therefore the more elders deprogrammed today, the less youth will need to be deprogramed tomorrow.
The tradition part especially hurts now that I've moved to Western Europe from Eastern Europe for work. It went from my whole lil village having a huge multiple days event (going to the church, dying eggs and then having a battle royal fight butting our eggs with each other to see whose's breaks, getting candle light from the priest and passing it from once person to another, having a huge feast etc) for Easter to just buying a chocolate easter bunny from the store.
easter is kinda underrated
I'm so used to hearing Hakim and Yugopnik's voice that I tried listening to some podcast with two white, middle aged, liberals, and I couldn't make myself go past 40 seconds.
On immigrants also being workers, etc... And on traditions. We have one untainted one in Austria-Mai 1st Kampftag der Arbeiterklasse.
The Mai1 Labor Day parade, of the Communist Party of Austria(KPÖ) , in the second largest city in the country, Graz, which was spearheaded by their new communist mayor ( for the liberals, she´s also the first female mayor, yeah!) comrade Elke Kahr, sparked a huge outcry outcry from MSM and other neoliberals, because right behind the mayor, who carried a peace flag, the KJÖ(Communist Youth of A) marched with a large red banner saying something along the lines of "The boarders are not between the peoples, but between above and below"(poor translation attempt. But meaning the divide is between classes, not countries).
This lead to a huge outcry that `the communists`are supporting Putin and don´t support Asov, nor uncritically support the ukrainian government. The fact that the KPÖ is talking a lot about how important Austrian neutrality is in times like these and that it is a slap in the face to the poor and those effected the most by the current inflation, that our Green/conservative government pulls 6 Billion€ out of a hat for military spending, while alledgedly not having any money to help the people who need it, made everything even worse and was mentioned in multiple articles about the demonstration.
My point being: I have never witnessed a campaign of censorship and propaganda in my whole life as intense as the current one concerning Ukraine. Pro imperialist, pro US, pro EU, pro proxy war and uncritically repeating and supporting every single thing Ukraine´s government claims or wants is the party line, which you are not allowed to critizise even the slightest.
This is already effecting the left and will effect all antiimperialist and socialist movements and groups all around the world in a very negative way, if we don´t watch out and do something about it.
But at the same time this is a very good time to organise and to educate people.
Workers and opressed peoples of the world unite
EDit: Sorry, when i´m working out and in between sets i sit down, sometimes i get riled up and write a comment that doesn´t make lots of sense.
I like to listen to political YTers when working out. My best workouts happen when there is a new episode of the Deprogram out, that i can listen too while training.
A FASCIST WORKED OUT TODAY! DID YOU?
I thought I was the only one who listens to YT while working out. Guess not!
Same. I jog every day listening to this podcast
Personally I don't think Marx would have been down with this "us and them" attitude.
There are so called boomers who are well off and probably a hello of lot more who are struggling and a fair number who have always been revolutionary. You can't generalise about an entire generation and try to pit older people against younger. Older people are also parents and grandparents most of whom have done their best to get young people grown up in spite of very difficult western political and financial conditions for the working class.
It is absolutely worth appealing to any human whether they are young or old if you have something useful to offer them, not just a patronising attitude.
I work in the service industry ATM. It's raining today. I'm about to steal back some of those wages, and The Deprogram is keeping me company while I do it😜
P.S. 1:20:55 wrong brothers. I'd listen to you for 5 hours, and have before. Try me. Lol
I misread your comment, as the “ATM service industry” as in you fix the machines and was thinking “damn they’re about to have a huge come up from the ATM repair.” Based either way.
@@maksschmidt Me too. LOL
It reminds me of many years ago at work when an ATM service guy forgot and left the keys in the back of the vault on the other side of the wall where there were no cameras. I was struggling to survive and could have helped myself to about 3-4 years' wages without getting caught, but I did the "right" thing and called the bank...the filthy corporate criminals rewarded my honesty a few years later by "legally" robbing me into utter destitution.
@@Dhumm81 that's the capitalist machine for you. Sorry comrade.
Hey what about the commodification of Turkey for Thanksgiving? You brought up commodifying and capitalising on candy for Halloween but missed the point here completely. You just overlooked the exploitation of these animals bodies, the conditions these animals are raised in and the horrible conditions of factory farming workers during Thanksgiving. It's so much worse than capitalising on candy if you only looked into it.
First 10 minutes of podcast talking about piss and shit. Hell yeah this is why I watch it
One comes for the communism, stays for the sphincters
I find that to be the complete and total opposite. I much much much prefer female gynocologists and OBs. In my experience it's men that are like look, women have had babies without medicine for years, you're fine. I've witnessed this both as a nurse and as a patient. I much prefer women.
I don't trust a man that goes into gynecology
51:27 JT, that was literally the most well said best description of the white man on top's delusion, Thanks for putting out this content into the world. I am social studies teacher and you three give me a lot of the vocabulary and background knowledge to explain some of the issues in society today and throughout history. Without indoctrination of course, just deprogramming ;).
@Hakim, hell yeah we would listen to 5 hours of you guys preachin'!
I haven't met any older working class folks who don't complain about their boss and job. They often have false consciousness, blaming deteriorating material conditions on affirmative action, immigrants, "kids these days", etc. Material conditions have never been worse, everyone is feeling the pinch. It's very effective to take that frustration and redirect it from a nebulous "other" towards the people actually screwing them - their boss who's too busy golfing to come in to work half the time, who owns a huge house and a dozen sports cars- and then they start becoming class conscious when they have a tangible person to focus their anger at.
Hearing about other peoples reactionary grandparents always makes me feel glad that my grandpa's a chad badass Lenin and Castro loving indian farmer whose still kicking it in the fields despite his old age
Hakim have you seen trump playing tennis he's got a dumpy on him
We say Hakim, but spell it Hakeem often (I Know a lot of Hakeems)
The double-e way is also the more popular in South Asia.
Luckily I have a based grandparent.
I would love to come and talk about Socialism and Christianity. and how diametrically opposed capitalism is towards TRUE Christian values.
Hey dentists, we have lasers now, time to upgrade from Fred Flintstone
Agreed, dentists will push braces even if not truly needed.
@@armamentarmedarm1699 uhgreed😏
A thought experiment for Yugo: If your plane would have been diverted to Nice, would you have become constipated?
My thoughts on "deprogramming" the baby boomer generation: don't bother. The boomers are those born from 1946 to 1964. At the older end of this group they're retired and probably closer to death. Converting them to socialism is pointless as they'll likely not live long enough to do anything beneficial. At the younger end they're close to retiring, some may be already, and they're going to be staunch defenders of their worldview. Any example of successfully enlightening your parents/grandparents is wholly anecdotal and very limited. It took me many years and many different approaches and arguments to convince my dad that global warming was bad, then that it was something we had to take action on, then that it was the fault of humanity. Essentially you need to do a realistic cost-benefit analysis on the amount of time and effort it will probably take for you to successfully change someones mind relative to the amount of benefit it will actually have.
As much as these 101 type videos are useful and enjoyable, I hope you guys will go deeper soon. Maybe even just "102" type stuff, whatever that would be.
Absolutely! There is more value in converting the young. Not only are they the future leaders, but they are also going to be the ones to shape popular culture and therefore influence more people. It is the youth that will help us make socialist ideas 'mainstream'
At 62 I'm actually likely to agree with you since I've been around these people all my life. I gave up talking to my peers and started to talk to younger people and have had better success. One thing I hope you are wrong about though is that people my age can no longer be of any use.
@@markshellhammer3117 62 is on the younger end of the generation, like my dad. This is the problem with generational groupings; they have a much too wide age range that can have significantly different experiences.
I try not to generalize too much. I'm sure you have many things to contribute and will for many more years.
@Ewido Completely agree, one of the most important skills you need to develop as someone trying to pitch socialism/communism is being able to recognize when you're wasting your time on someone. I don't really understand the fixation some people have on radicalizing a generation that has largely for better or worse made up their minds about the world and often materially benefited from the system you are trying to dissuade them from supporting. Not to say that older people are completely useless to a political project, because they aren't, but I don't think grandma should be as high a priority on the radicalization list as someone who is young, poor, and (most importantly imo) checked out of the options that liberal democracy has made available to us.
Also, I love all the Deprogram boys but I agree that I'd like to see some "meatier" content soon. The 101 stuff often feels like they're retreading points they've all already made videos about.
Oh my dad was born in 64, I always thought he was old genX didn't realise I can now technically mock him for being a boomer. Even tho he's a godless commie (like myself), and actually pretty cool (unlike myself)
Not a woman, but as a trans guy who needed to yeet my uterus, I spoke to several friends (cis women) who had atrocious experiences with women gynaecologists who did basically what Hakim said, plus another trans guy who said again every gynaecologist he had before that (prior to transitioning) that was a woman treated him terribly the only one who agreed to perform his hysterectomy (before he transitioned so for a medical condition I believe maybe related to endo but it was other stuff too) was a male gynaecologist.
I luckily went to a surgeon who is trans friendly but I've known trans guys who got told no by women gynaecologists saying that they would 'definitely change their mind'
(reflexively shares with everyone he knows)
Someone needs to send Hakim a copy of A Bride's Story by Kaoru Mori
Hubbub and hullabaloo can be used interchangeably in most cases.
1:09:36 rammstein's Amerika is about that
Im a 66year old partially retired very frustrated gay liberal. Im here from JTs site.
"I will sow those deserts with beautiful Eastern European grain"
What the fuck did I hear? Why is this so beautiful?
My own Gen X perspective on Boomers: don't waste your time. Anyone over 40 Is "Getting Too Old For That Shit" and Boomers won't listen to people under 40.
44:31 they have become so soft compared to what they were. They were the pinacle of activism and progressivism. (the old boomer gen) people like MLK actually talked about people rather than color and look at things now.
30:15 I have had multiple people tell me that I need to learn a skill lol. That would always infuriate me so much because since my family has the background they do. I can build a house from the bare ground all the way up to the finishing touches. And The little time I was in college I learned how to weld do electricity and plumbing as well. And I have been a machine operator at a higher level for a few years now. The problem isn't skills or work ethic because I casually do the job of 2 to 3 people normally and yet I still get paid the same or less. The problem is they will not pay you if they do not have to. I know people that for over 10 years have basically been a machine operator, quality, maintenance, engineer as well as other things and they still don't get paid. Even what I do. That's definitely not because they don't have any skills and no work ethic.
I just love how these guys spent the first 8 mins talking abt teeth and poop...... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Here's Thatcher with all the wrong quotes from 2018:
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As a 35 year old with a father who is 72 the thought of having a Boomer grandparent is alien to me, 😂.
bold of you to assume i don’t want to listen to 5 hours of y’all
6:27 damn this man is relatable
Been binging this shiiiii would love to see Hakim debate sharpio. You guys are hilarious
Shapiro would never debate someone who actually knows their shit, as lovely as that would be
I want a 5 hour podcast. Just sayin'...
I get SO MANY commercials on this channel. One every 5-7 minutes. I hate it and can’t afford premium TH-cam. JT HALP!
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This is such a great podcast. Thanks.
And don't feel too bad about being too lazy to go to a dentist. I'm the son of one and do the same thing.
Nice
Considering I am catching up on the backlog of your content it is safe to say I will watch 5 hours! Lol
Ah you too huh? We're on this lengthy ride together ✊
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A strange conservative value that I’ve found myself aligning with is term limits for congress. I’ve seen 0 liberals talking about it, we don’t have any leftists here, and the only person I’ve heard even mention term limits for congress is the man who, unfortunately, is likely going to be our next president: Ron DeSantes
It’s actually a hot issue in the left, I know some old Hakim videos in which he talks about this, basically some people say that if the majority of the people want a president/leader to continue in power they should be allowed to, the others say that a finite amount should be placed to allow younger and newer ideas into power.
Term limits are meaningless as long as Porky still picks the candidates.
@@ericktellez7632 I think that if we’re ever to have a strong socialist nation, it is imperative that we have strong checks and balances. We need to recognize the flaws of the past socialist projects and strive to avoid it. Any chance for dictatorship of some guy rather than of the proletariat needs to be thoroughly understood and eradicated.
My dad is liberal and his friend is conservative, but they joke that my dad handles money like a conservative and his friend handles money like a liberal because my dad is very frugal and focused on savings/smart investments while his friend is a spendthrift.
I, a socialist, take after my father 😎
Every time an Amerikan calls Thanksgiving "Macy's Day", the eternal spirit of RH Macy has an orgasm.
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Thanks for the push to read. Audio for now.
I don't have much free time.
Hits a bit harder working at the local slur factory.
VENEZUZLAAA
They say that about AOC "want free Healthcare? Venezuela" it's so insulting it's radicalizing. AOC wants Healthcare, free collage for all, Build back better and very small increases to wellfare. Very moderate by "leftist" standards.
@@sleepyhead8681 I’m saying it as a joke lmao
@@pandaandthegecko5480 I know just venting. It's driving me crazy. :p
@@sleepyhead8681 ah, don’t worry comrade
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Thanksgiving is just Black-Friday-eve. It's 100% been turned into a holiday of consumption.
did he just say boomer GRANDparents.... surly he meant to say boomer parents right? ...right?
Thanksgiving is the only American holiday that I could think of that isn't explicitly consumerist but the day after...is extremely consumerist
54:00 that's amazing reduction. Are education system is awful.
Can someone please explain to me how one can be both religious and a Communist? Like, I understand *working with* and *supporting* progressive trends within religious movements, but how can you simultaneously base your worldview on Dialectical Materialism and, in the same breath, genuinely believe in Objective Idealism?
all that religion entails is belief in creation, all that dialectical materialism entails is a dialectical understanding of the development of human history. they don’t contradict, religion doesn’t necessarily entail Objective Idealism
Thanksgiving is way older than American Culture, so even there the US is not very "traditional "
I've never actually thought about how male gynecologists 'might' be more delicate/sensitive due to not having lived experience. I know the thinking in those around me trends more caution of non-understanding due to the former. Going to a GP here, beyond asking if patient has a preference we just get funneled to whoever is nearby and reputable (which tend to be women anyway)
My parents are such unfortunately typical boomers. It's so fucking sad. They are both way too smart for that. Academically, they are very educated, they both have masters degrees, they're both professionals, now retired, I don't understand how they're falling for this shit. I think it's their mercury exposure honestly. I'm not kidding it sounds funny, but I think it's their Mercury exposure that they had throughout the 40s 50s and 60s especially my mom. they both have multiple Mercury dental fillings. I don't think they've ever got them replaced. We all know Mercury is serious neurotoxin. And it's cumulative so it adds up over time. I think that's the chief reason honestly I do, because I'm not sure what else makes sense. I'd understand if they were simple, or uneducated, or their ethnic and social and professional backgrounds were different, but they're not. So I continue to be confused and not fully grasp the solution, which as we all know is maddening for anybody. But if I had to hazard a guess I definitely have to go with the Mercury hypothesis as to the true explanation. I just think that it's been brain degeneration over time. Not to the point where they can't dress themselves or feed themselves, but just in simple ways that affect their ability to process certain kinds of information and not be afraid of the entire world and of merely existing, into fall prey to complete idiocy, ignorance, barely warmed over racism, petty hatreds, and all the other brain rot that comes in from the Right and Fox News.
From personal experience, it is nearly impossible to convince an older generation person with high-level education who has been drinking the capitalist propaganda all his/her life, that the system is bad at its core. This is, in my view, because if this was to happen, that person would go through a mental breakdown, which could lead to serious health consequences (though sometimes it might not be a bad thing).
i think the reason when people say "socialism = no tradition" they think of bolsheviks taking pains to combat great russian chauvinism (or nationalism of the oppressor in general)
After the last podcast and a few others I've seen involving people from the imperial periphery, I've noticed that they don't have the same cultural baggage around swearing westerners have in general.
Hard men create soft times. Also Boomers can't tell the difference between Milenials and Gen Z 🤔.
Should get someone like String Bo String Duo (who did the OG Rev Left Radio opening song) to make your music into a full song
Tactical white dude here to tactfully smash the like button and leave a comment for algorithm.
Just wanted you guys to know that you’re easily some of the funniest content creators I’ve had the pleasure of listening to, tho I suppose that makes sense when I don’t really know too many leftists that can not only talk about communism but talk about it in a not dry manner. Very tempted to make a wet joke but I shall refrain.
I wish you guys would put out a short synopsis of the points you guys go over. I like to listen in the car, but find myself putting it off because i want to take notes.
48:00 Me just now realizing that EJ's stage name is a dick joke.
I’d listen to way more hours of you guys! As I’m sure tons of us would. Thanks for being amazing!
Less butt talk, more politics
No one ever suspects the Irish 🇨🇮
What are you doing on my closet yugo 😳?
This just might be my favourite episode.
Oh hey me too yugo I have a hole in my teeth as well but I’m too lazy to go
Maybe I should go…
Probably so, provided you can afford it :)
Yea I have A bad one worsening all the time. Last dentist visit tramatised me.
I'd listen to 3 more hours
yas new episode
Great episode! keep it up
All that is solid melts
into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober
senses, his real condition of life, and his relations with his kind.
I think something to bring up is a core difficulty of the whole challenge of discussing these things with an older conservative person is that there's so much about a socialist movement that outright nakedly promises to take things away from them. This isn't just fighting against the "four olds" as Mao put it (something admittedly necessary for someone with a sociological problem to go through but it is not pleasant) , but in the context of trying to convince an American boomer you're talking about an end to the exploitation of the third world by the US hands. Something that is an objective moral good, but Marxists seem to believe that the exploitation of the third world actually enriches the average American or European (as opposed to only benefitting a small subset of the ruling class.) Meaning if this theory of Marxism is true, and the Marxist revolution succeeds in the US you are promising to make the average American *POORER* by ending this exploitation of the third world for their benefit.
Now, I propose that you abandon this hogwash idea that exploitation of slaves overseas makes the American or European *WORKING CLASS* richer, it's a losing argument and it's also objectively false. Yes yes I know someone somewhere wrote a book about how Europe and the US don't pay fair prices for labor and goods form the third world, often creating basically slave armies in the neo colonial states. Many people take this fact and say "this is how Europe and the US pay for welfare!" No it is not, it actually harms the welfare systems. As we know corporate profits are almost impossible to tax because they can re-define profits out of existence. So the only way to tax them is the value of the goods as it is exchanged at various stages in the economy (value added tax, sales tax) and the value of services / labor in the economy. So the third world exploitation has reduced the number of jobs at home, that's lower taxes, outsourcing is used as a threat to coerce local workers into accepting lower benefit packages and pay again lowering taxes the state gets, it also ultimately accelerates the deflationary tendency on the price of goods again reducing taxes. The workers don't wind up with more in spite of goods being cheaper every year because the government is coerced into cutting services due to the forces pushing taxes down, the workers wages in relation to real expenditures (healthcare ect) is shrinking and so to make up for it they use debt. In effect the "cheaper" tv they buy from an exploited third world country is actually more expensive to an exponential degree due to needing to be purchased with debt. The "cheaper"' tv is bought at 20% interest in price.
The end result is that even most businesses watch their profits dwindle, the government sees it's tax revenue dwindle, the workers see their real earnings dwindle and all of that wealth flows into a small hands of financiers who underwrite the working class debts and paid out the initial investment to establish the infrastructure to exploit the third world in the first place. Since the 1980s this is called the "financialization of the economy." Nowhere in this chain does the use of foreign slave labor does it improve conditions in the US or Europe, it actually makes them WORSE. We see this every time labor is squeezed like this, it always makes things worse. The chattel slave economy of the American south did not work. Look at a map of infrastructure and wealth output of the US north VS the South, the north won the civil war by having ten times the economy the south did. The south in 1850 was described as "desolate as wartorn France" because there was no reason to hire a free man and pay him a living wage, there was no knowledge of or reason to invest in productivity per captia increases, or infrastructure. All they wanted was more land and more slaves. Contrary to lefitst talking points, no slavery does not work, it is not an effective economic system and the US was not "built on slavery." That's objectively false and the US greatest leaps in American industry didn't occur until after chattel slavery's end.
This Boomer has struggled her whole life, has never owned a home, and is terrified of her looming retirement as she has student loan debt that will be garnished at up to 15% of her Social Security pittance. I haven't been able to save because my adult children land here when they are in crises, and I take care of them (will always do this until I can't, no regrets). I have never lived alone since leaving home myself, and have single parented most of my adult life.
My kids and grandkids are always my highest priority, and they also struggle.
I have a good job and for the next few years will be ok but, my plan for retirement? Find a good, reliable, easily maintained comfortable car before I retire in case I have to live in it. I am not kidding.
I have participated in more than protest and plan on many more as I watch our country degenerate more and more everyday.
Fk this generalization of my generation.
This socialist grandma thinks you're in danger of becoming what you're btching about by portioning us older folks into generational molds. I wish I had what you all think I did during my life.
I'm old, I'm poor, I care about people, and I have an algorithm that brought you to my feed.
Getting older is hard enough without this bllsht.
My name's Paul, and fk y'all.
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College wasn't free in the '60s and '70s, but it was a lot cheaper.
Living in one of the poorest US states, housing prices and overall cost of living isn't too bad, just stay out of major urban areas.
If you're not too fussy àbout where you live, it's affordable. Buying houses or land is still practical. Having few, if any, building codes in rural areas is a good thing.
Some years ago I saw a " punk house" built from salvaged materials...a building inspector's nightmare that stood up to 90+ mph winds.
Jobs now....finding a full time job isn't too difficult. If you can take in oxygen and blow out carbon dioxide, you can find a full time job with benefits.
There's a labor shortage now, and starting wages are $16+ per hour, even at some fast food jobs .
College...four years? Call it a hundred grand when you're done. In the '80s you could work part time and pay for college as you go ( I worked at a college then).
My views on socialism are mixed. Lotsa promises, but promises and delivery are different.
I really don't have that much of a problem with billionaires..Maybe Space X will get to Mars and set up a colony before everyone else.
Space X builds spacecraft at an incredible rate.
If they get to Mars first, can they claim ownership? There was ( is?) a space treaty that covers that, but would it apply to a private company?
I think you can own an asteroid ( like Psyche 16..chock full of rare earth elements worth trillions), but not sure about an entire planet. Mars, Inc.?
I can't think of anything more dystopian than a corporation owning a whole planet
Socialism delivers, the Soviet Union guaranteed free healthcare, education , housing and employment and turned a poor third world country into a global superpower in 20 short years. At equal levels of economic development socialism provides a higher quality of life.
Babe wake up we're going to deprogram boomers
As always based, great episode. I’ve been loving all the guests too and maybe this is a long shot but I’d love to see Hasan come on the show I think it’ll be a very interesting episode.
dream guest ngl
@@thedeprogram9999Hey what happened to episode 23? I see it's not on TH-cam or on Spotify.
1:10:47 I would say Memorial Day and 4th of July Independence Day are better examples of non-consumerist holidays in the USA. We typically just have a simple gathering of family/friends and enjoy the day with nice weather and a cookout. Thanksgiving has been ruined by the insanity that is Black Friday.