20:43 I'm quite intrigued by what Yugopnik touched on, about how the left could be an alternate source of empowerment for people that would otherwise be appealed by the alt-right. Hopefully our movement can recognize this and help said young disillusioned men, and tell them that they don't need to live in a kill-or-be-killed society.
This is what I wanted to comment on as well. I remember when I was a young man, I felt like the right were the only ones who cared about me or my success. All I heard about from the left was "women this, minorities that" and nothing about how the left would help me who was also struggling massively despite being a white man. I had to find that out myself when the facts were not adding up, and most people don't do that. IMO, the left needs to get better at pivoting the conversation from the (yes very important) intersectional issues of race, sexuality and gender to how those tie in to the wider issues. I know we love to chant about fragile white males, but at the end of the day we need a significant amount of them to also support left wing policies if they are to ever get enacted.
As a disabled man who finally moved from being a Venus Project supporter to switching the ML I thank you for saying that we aren't a bad thing for the movement. A lot of people tell me the only reason I'm a socialist or like Marxism is because of my disability but it was my dad who served in our military then came home to be spat on and hated after Vietnam. Who then worked his entire life in construction and eventually for the city as a cad designer. Then when he retired and got cancer he went bankrupt 3 separate times and we lost everything that is what really radicalized me. I've been angry at capitalism for so long because the American dream is an American nightmare for most of us and I've seen this on repeat with many family and friends. I don't know a single person who actually owns a house who hasn't stepped on everyone around them to get ahead.
I relate to this one. I’m a disabled trans man, and pretty much every man in my family for 3-4 Generations served in the US military. They sold their souls and never saw a single benefit from it. Every person close to me in my life is disabled, poor, or grew up poor and it’s impossible for me to find a single positive aspect in this system, when there aren’t any. I just never had enough hope to ever become disillusioned. Also, shout out to disabled masculinity, it’s cool as fuck. Nothing is more badass than the sheer perseverance it takes to be in pain, constantly beaten down, or having to start over from scratch, and still carrying on. Being disabled is fucking hard sometimes, and it definitely deserves to be better recognized. (Also Seriously, what’s cooler than a good mobility aid. Like electric wheelchairs? Fucking awesome)
The whole "white (race)" thing makes no sense at all. Obviously because there isn't really any race other than the human race. Though that didn't stop silly Europeans from conjuring up silly race labels (so yes, systemic racism is a thing). Elsewhere they had other views. I was just reading a book on the history of South East Asia around 1500 and there it describes that: - Chinese, Persians and Europeans where all just a different shades of pale coloured people - - Before 1500 the first handful of Europeans to visit (SE) Asia joined up with Persian merchants, and from the SE Asian point of view Portugese and Persians didn't look that much different besides a different shade of paleness. - Birmese called the first Portuguese "Kala-pyu", basically "white Indians" (Asian sea travels had already brought people from modern day India and Birma etc into contact with each other). - When European merchants sailed to SE Asia they would attack Persian/Muslim merchants, these would mention to the SE Asians about the attacks by these Franks (Arabic: Faranj), which became Feringgi in Malay, Farang in Thai, Barang in Khmer etc. TLDR: from the South East Asian point of view some 500 years ago Hakim, Yugopnik and JT are all basically more or less the same pale/white folks. And no, that is nothing to be proud of, lol.
The way I had heard the origins, "Honkey" is a reference to plantation foremen that would ride through fields honking horns at the workers and "Cracker" is a reference to people who would crack the the whips on the slaves. If this is correct, it means any angry caucasian equating those terms to slurs for other races/ethnicities is equating terms to demean and oppress to terms that denote someone as the oppressors.
I know for a fact that's not what honkey means because modern bullhorns and the like didn't exist back then. Could refer to Jim Crow Era, but I dunno. And I don't think we have a definitive origin for cracker, historians go back and forth on it.
It's kinda funny to me that the only furry I know is left-wing, and that I really like militaristic aesthetics (mostly things like dress uniforms and pre-world wars era unforms), but I'm a genderfluid socialist.
I've met a few, most of them are genuinely just self-hating assholes. A lot of right-wingers you meet online just utterly hate themselves and find that right-wing ideology makes them feel strong.
@@Smerpyderp Me either and my sis is A big Furry con fan. I've been to two and I couldn't find anyone considered right wing by USA standards(Bush/Oboma years) even, let alone far right.
The alt-right furries confuse the furries too. Related to the later mentions of exclusionary movements, the alt-furries have no idea how high up on the "to do" list for exclusions they are.
@@melelconquistador I'm new to the terminology, but yes, I think that's essentially exactly the problem. It separates us so much from one another, blinders us so we don't really see the pain of those around us, and thereby enables increasingly miserable conditions. And then of course, the system responsible is empowered to violently enforce its own power while we are so dis-empowered we cannot even shed light on the problems without further alienation and violence.
If Yugopnik looks pale enough most Americans would think he's white, and it really does ultimately come down to whether you receive the privilege or not.
@@Etzellll American history books mention ethnic slurs when discussing ethnic bigotry often combined with sectarian dickery, classism and general anti immigrant xenophobia. America has history of prejudices being weaponised in civic politics, employment, and housing. Remember that all former colonies of Great Britain have serios problems of dicey sectarian ethnic tentions, political corruption, Wasp old money business class, and organized crime.
26:57 if you really wanna know the answer to that question, literally ask yourself, why did any fascist propaganda machine get any power or influence whatsoever in the country. Usually it’s economic or political dissatisfaction. If the state is required to protect existing capital in a capitalist system that is deteriorating, it will eventually have to protect Fascism if Communism gains popularity.
Fair warning, this gets pretty off topic pretty quick, i just need to finish saying it or I’ll never get to sleep I went through basically that exact same “insecure in my masculinity so I have to be hyper violent and militaristic about everything” BS, and then I realized I’m a girl, and I look back at all that effort spent convincing myself and everyone else that I was a “real man”… and it just makes me sad… it really sucks knowing that the most likely people to attack me for existing, are probably just projecting their own insecurities and self hatred onto me, lashing out because I remind them of all the things they won’t let themselves be/do/enjoy… and worst of all, I hate knowing that, if my experience is anything to go by, a decent therapy appointment is simultaneously the best thing they could get, both for themselves and everyone around them, and one of the few things they’d consider a fate comparable to death
Revolutionary Greetings from India! TLDR: The Indian state since 2014 has become fascistic if not completely fascist under the BJP government led by Narendra Modi. The struggling masses have resisted at every turn but the left is divided and weak. And until a strong principled ML party or alliance doesn't emerge, all these resistances will not be able uproot the fascists from Indian society - even if we are able to throw them out of government in 2024. Amongst the Indian Left, there was a lot of debate about whether the Indian State had become Fascist or Fascistic after Narendra Modi's was elected as the Prime Minister in 2014. He belongs to the Far-right Hindu Extremist party - the BJP which is the electoral wing of the "Hindu cultural" organisation RSS which is almost 100 years old. In addition to the parliamentary wing BJP, it has wings for students, youth, women, minorities and other marginalised sections including Muslims which are their equivalent of "Jews in Europe". The RSS is fascist, and it has paramilitary wings (yes, more than one) across the country that have actively committed pogroms against Muslims, that are now regularly used as fascist foot soldiers by the BJP government to intimidate Muslims and Christians into leaving the "Hindu Nation", or accepting their status as second-class citizens, or being exterminated. Lynchings of Muslim men is an everyday thing if one considers how many go unreported. And the police always puts cases on those lynched by the fascist mobs and let's the murderers go free! This is now routine. And these fascist mobs and the armed might of the government are jointly used to police quell any popular opposition by those it considers it's enemies - progressives and leftists of all kinds, Muslims and Christians, and the Dalits. The situation is bleak but most of the people in India are not supporters of BJP and Narendra Modi anymore, after almost 10 years of his fascist government. The struggling masses have resisted his government at every turn and paid the price for it in huge numbers. But the resistance hasn't died. However, the Indian left is very divided and weak, with Opportunism and Reformism rife, and innumerable splits along sectarian and even personal lines. Until a strong principled ML party or alliance doesn't emerge, all these resistances will not be able uproot the fascists from Indian society - even if we are able to throw them out of government in 2024.
Hey. Could I ask y'all a question? Or anyone for that matter who may come across this comment. So..yeah I relate a lot to this. I'm a trans girl....femboy....? Idk...I'm not really comfortable and am insecure about my masculine side. I want to know how to deal with those emotions and thoughts and what I can do to better myself. I don't want to hurt anyone I just...want to be better.
Oh, i wish i could help :( The only thing i can say is that thinking too long about such deep topics is not so good and gaining sometimes a distance from this should help. Atleast it helped me in other things to not fall into these topics and loose myself in questions
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” Just be yourself and love yourself for who you are. You are amazing the way you are and you should cherish that.
I’m a cis guy so I’m not sure I can really relate, but I would say this: read books by trans authors. They’ve been where you are and made it through. I’m sure they would have insights that would be valuable to you.
I really wish I could help, but I just have vey generic advice which is to try and get professional help. Im a cishet woman so I can’t exactly relate to your internal struggles. I really hope you’re doing better now my friend ❤
The nazi furry thing is so weird. I'm a furry and I've seen a few, it's very confusing. But furries tend to have a lot of issues, so I guess it does make sense somewhat
When you're treated as an outcast, you usually join the other outcasts, and since mental health issues tend to play a role in the treatment of someone by the rest of society, it makes sense that furries would have a lot of personal problems, I can certainly say I have a ton. Also in this case I'd say the more problematic furries are not the majority, at least from my own perspective in the fanbase. Most furries I know are the kindest people I've ever met, and the ones I know tend to also lean towards socialism as well.
I believe the saying "When it comes down to the wire..." is a leftover from Telegraph/Morse Code days - that is, to distill down the important information that's meant to be communicated to someone else such that it can be sent over 'the wire' quickly & easily.
He has not said and probably will not say. Which is fine, he should be allowed as much privacy as he wants. However, his first language is Serbo-Croatian, so most people narrow down his country or origin to Serbia or Croatia. I have seen others claim his family is from multiple ethnicities.
20:43 I'm quite intrigued by what Yugopnik touched on, about how the left could be an alternate source of empowerment for people that would otherwise be appealed by the alt-right. Hopefully our movement can recognize this and help said young disillusioned men, and tell them that they don't need to live in a kill-or-be-killed society.
This is what I wanted to comment on as well. I remember when I was a young man, I felt like the right were the only ones who cared about me or my success. All I heard about from the left was "women this, minorities that" and nothing about how the left would help me who was also struggling massively despite being a white man. I had to find that out myself when the facts were not adding up, and most people don't do that.
IMO, the left needs to get better at pivoting the conversation from the (yes very important) intersectional issues of race, sexuality and gender to how those tie in to the wider issues. I know we love to chant about fragile white males, but at the end of the day we need a significant amount of them to also support left wing policies if they are to ever get enacted.
time to step on snek
With a pair of nail boots and repeat if necessary.
Blasphemy. (Also animal cruelty) but mostly BLASPHEMY.
As a disabled man who finally moved from being a Venus Project supporter to switching the ML I thank you for saying that we aren't a bad thing for the movement. A lot of people tell me the only reason I'm a socialist or like Marxism is because of my disability but it was my dad who served in our military then came home to be spat on and hated after Vietnam. Who then worked his entire life in construction and eventually for the city as a cad designer. Then when he retired and got cancer he went bankrupt 3 separate times and we lost everything that is what really radicalized me. I've been angry at capitalism for so long because the American dream is an American nightmare for most of us and I've seen this on repeat with many family and friends. I don't know a single person who actually owns a house who hasn't stepped on everyone around them to get ahead.
I relate to this one. I’m a disabled trans man, and pretty much every man in my family for 3-4
Generations served in the US military. They sold their souls and never saw a single benefit from it. Every person close to me in my life is disabled, poor, or grew up poor and it’s impossible for me to find a single positive aspect in this system, when there aren’t any. I just never had enough hope to ever become disillusioned.
Also, shout out to disabled masculinity, it’s cool as fuck. Nothing is more badass than the sheer perseverance it takes to be in pain, constantly beaten down, or having to start over from scratch, and still carrying on. Being disabled is fucking hard sometimes, and it definitely deserves to be better recognized. (Also Seriously, what’s cooler than a good mobility aid. Like electric wheelchairs? Fucking awesome)
I use to be the kinda dude y’all are making fun of and now I’m about as far Left as I can and I wouldn’t have it any other way
Proud of you, Comrade! ❤️
The whole "white (race)" thing makes no sense at all. Obviously because there isn't really any race other than the human race. Though that didn't stop silly Europeans from conjuring up silly race labels (so yes, systemic racism is a thing). Elsewhere they had other views. I was just reading a book on the history of South East Asia around 1500 and there it describes that:
- Chinese, Persians and Europeans where all just a different shades of pale coloured people
- - Before 1500 the first handful of Europeans to visit (SE) Asia joined up with Persian merchants, and from the SE Asian point of view Portugese and Persians didn't look that much different besides a different shade of paleness.
- Birmese called the first Portuguese "Kala-pyu", basically "white Indians" (Asian sea travels had already brought people from modern day India and Birma etc into contact with each other).
- When European merchants sailed to SE Asia they would attack Persian/Muslim merchants, these would mention to the SE Asians about the attacks by these Franks (Arabic: Faranj), which became Feringgi in Malay, Farang in Thai, Barang in Khmer etc.
TLDR: from the South East Asian point of view some 500 years ago Hakim, Yugopnik and JT are all basically more or less the same pale/white folks. And no, that is nothing to be proud of, lol.
The invention of race wasn't a silly mistake, but a calculated plan to enslave a portion of the world.
...or be ashamed about, as you said there's just human race.
The way I had heard the origins, "Honkey" is a reference to plantation foremen that would ride through fields honking horns at the workers and "Cracker" is a reference to people who would crack the the whips on the slaves. If this is correct, it means any angry caucasian equating those terms to slurs for other races/ethnicities is equating terms to demean and oppress to terms that denote someone as the oppressors.
I always thought hillbilly was worse than cracker but am not white so I don't know
@@blondezeke6640 if you ask any of my relatives it's the worse thing to call anyone ever. I hate asking for the charcuterie at Thanksgiving.
As someone from hillbilly country we call each other that all the time.
Everyone knows those terms are pejorative against white people. Noone calls anyone other than white people by those terms.
I know for a fact that's not what honkey means because modern bullhorns and the like didn't exist back then. Could refer to Jim Crow Era, but I dunno.
And I don't think we have a definitive origin for cracker, historians go back and forth on it.
Mashallah daddy The Deprogram has uploaded.
I already listened all episodes on Spotify, i shall commet for the algorithm!
Replying for the algorithm
@@Ghdfshhs indeed
For the algorithm!!!
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How is Hakim this based?
Thats what having their house bombed by a US dronestrike does to a person
He's a doctor in Iraq, he's seen the ugly aftermath of Western imperialism.
Hakim laughing so hard throughout this is making me laugh really hard omg 😂
It's kinda funny to me that the only furry I know is left-wing, and that I really like militaristic aesthetics (mostly things like dress uniforms and pre-world wars era unforms), but I'm a genderfluid socialist.
Same
I am a left wing furry. I’ve never met a Nazi furry
I've met a few, most of them are genuinely just self-hating assholes. A lot of right-wingers you meet online just utterly hate themselves and find that right-wing ideology makes them feel strong.
@@Smerpyderp Me either and my sis is A big Furry con fan. I've been to two and I couldn't find anyone considered right wing by USA standards(Bush/Oboma years) even, let alone far right.
You can guess that when somebody is a nazi furry, they would be kinda terminally online.
The alt-right furries confuse the furries too. Related to the later mentions of exclusionary movements, the alt-furries have no idea how high up on the "to do" list for exclusions they are.
The US milieu is a complete nightmare. A genuinely terrifying one. Appreciating your collective efforts to strip back the layers of bullshit.
What terrifies you about said social environment? For me, it is that it ultimately alienating.
@@melelconquistador I'm new to the terminology, but yes, I think that's essentially exactly the problem. It separates us so much from one another, blinders us so we don't really see the pain of those around us, and thereby enables increasingly miserable conditions. And then of course, the system responsible is empowered to violently enforce its own power while we are so dis-empowered we cannot even shed light on the problems without further alienation and violence.
" Screams into the void in support of the algorithm "
"United anti-cracka front" needs to be a real thing LMAO
babe wake up black panthers 2 just dropped
_Spread this, algorhithm!_
I was eating saltine crackers while listening to this
If Yugopnik looks pale enough most Americans would think he's white, and it really does ultimately come down to whether you receive the privilege or not.
9 episodes of "fuck" and now I get the first "beep" on something. :D
Yugopnik swears in the first 15 minutes, I'm thinking they bleeped some talk that's too radical.
@@hoagielamp6543 *too radical for TH-cam
I think they also bleep when one of them divulges personal identifiable information
Honkey is an old Ethnic slur for Hungarians also used for eastern Europeans in general including Serbians.
Really? Hungarian here, where did you heard that slur, im absolutely curious 😀
@@Etzellll American history books mention ethnic slurs when discussing ethnic bigotry often combined with sectarian dickery, classism and general anti immigrant xenophobia. America has history of prejudices being weaponised in civic politics, employment, and housing. Remember that all former colonies of Great Britain have serios problems of dicey sectarian ethnic tentions, political corruption, Wasp old money business class, and organized crime.
@@seandarbe2521 And they really did call hungarians "honkeys"? Oh wow. Thanks for the info btw!
26:57 if you really wanna know the answer to that question, literally ask yourself, why did any fascist propaganda machine get any power or influence whatsoever in the country. Usually it’s economic or political dissatisfaction. If the state is required to protect existing capital in a capitalist system that is deteriorating, it will eventually have to protect Fascism if Communism gains popularity.
I got the 666th like bois socialist Satan for the win 🏆
Slowly getting through the podcasts XD
The beep makes me want to be a fly on the wall behind the iron curtain
What was bleeped out at 59:30ish ?
Did you manage to find it?
Fair warning, this gets pretty off topic pretty quick, i just need to finish saying it or I’ll never get to sleep
I went through basically that exact same “insecure in my masculinity so I have to be hyper violent and militaristic about everything” BS, and then I realized I’m a girl, and I look back at all that effort spent convincing myself and everyone else that I was a “real man”… and it just makes me sad… it really sucks knowing that the most likely people to attack me for existing, are probably just projecting their own insecurities and self hatred onto me, lashing out because I remind them of all the things they won’t let themselves be/do/enjoy… and worst of all, I hate knowing that, if my experience is anything to go by, a decent therapy appointment is simultaneously the best thing they could get, both for themselves and everyone around them, and one of the few things they’d consider a fate comparable to death
Revolutionary Greetings from India!
TLDR: The Indian state since 2014 has become fascistic if not completely fascist under the BJP government led by Narendra Modi. The struggling masses have resisted at every turn but the left is divided and weak. And until a strong principled ML party or alliance doesn't emerge, all these resistances will not be able uproot the fascists from Indian society - even if we are able to throw them out of government in 2024.
Amongst the Indian Left, there was a lot of debate about whether the Indian State had become Fascist or Fascistic after Narendra Modi's was elected as the Prime Minister in 2014. He belongs to the Far-right Hindu Extremist party - the BJP which is the electoral wing of the "Hindu cultural" organisation RSS which is almost 100 years old. In addition to the parliamentary wing BJP, it has wings for students, youth, women, minorities and other marginalised sections including Muslims which are their equivalent of "Jews in Europe". The RSS is fascist, and it has paramilitary wings (yes, more than one) across the country that have actively committed pogroms against Muslims, that are now regularly used as fascist foot soldiers by the BJP government to intimidate Muslims and Christians into leaving the "Hindu Nation", or accepting their status as second-class citizens, or being exterminated. Lynchings of Muslim men is an everyday thing if one considers how many go unreported. And the police always puts cases on those lynched by the fascist mobs and let's the murderers go free! This is now routine. And these fascist mobs and the armed might of the government are jointly used to police quell any popular opposition by those it considers it's enemies - progressives and leftists of all kinds, Muslims and Christians, and the Dalits.
The situation is bleak but most of the people in India are not supporters of BJP and Narendra Modi anymore, after almost 10 years of his fascist government. The struggling masses have resisted his government at every turn and paid the price for it in huge numbers. But the resistance hasn't died. However, the Indian left is very divided and weak, with Opportunism and Reformism rife, and innumerable splits along sectarian and even personal lines. Until a strong principled ML party or alliance doesn't emerge, all these resistances will not be able uproot the fascists from Indian society - even if we are able to throw them out of government in 2024.
I hope that we can get through this. I'm with you.
Hey. Could I ask y'all a question? Or anyone for that matter who may come across this comment.
So..yeah I relate a lot to this. I'm a trans girl....femboy....? Idk...I'm not really comfortable and am insecure about my masculine side. I want to know how to deal with those emotions and thoughts and what I can do to better myself. I don't want to hurt anyone I just...want to be better.
Oh, i wish i could help :(
The only thing i can say is that thinking too long about such deep topics is not so good and gaining sometimes a distance from this should help. Atleast it helped me in other things to not fall into these topics and loose myself in questions
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
Just be yourself and love yourself for who you are. You are amazing the way you are and you should cherish that.
I’m a cis guy so I’m not sure I can really relate, but I would say this: read books by trans authors. They’ve been where you are and made it through. I’m sure they would have insights that would be valuable to you.
I really wish I could help, but I just have vey generic advice which is to try and get professional help. Im a cishet woman so I can’t exactly relate to your internal struggles. I really hope you’re doing better now my friend ❤
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27:41 *le me halfway drawing JT's fursona* Awwww ;n;
I love Hakim so much 😂😂😂
That album by Bambu in the background, very nice. Bambu is awesome.
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The nazi furry thing is so weird. I'm a furry and I've seen a few, it's very confusing. But furries tend to have a lot of issues, so I guess it does make sense somewhat
When you're treated as an outcast, you usually join the other outcasts, and since mental health issues tend to play a role in the treatment of someone by the rest of society, it makes sense that furries would have a lot of personal problems, I can certainly say I have a ton. Also in this case I'd say the more problematic furries are not the majority, at least from my own perspective in the fanbase. Most furries I know are the kindest people I've ever met, and the ones I know tend to also lean towards socialism as well.
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I need to know what was on that beep
Nice
Great video
As a furry i promise 99.9% arent facists. It was just one very wierd group that now has like 30 ppl max
My bf and most slavic people ive met very much consider themselves white lmak
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I believe the saying "When it comes down to the wire..." is a leftover from Telegraph/Morse Code days - that is, to distill down the important information that's meant to be communicated to someone else such that it can be sent over 'the wire' quickly & easily.
Ottoman discourse LETSGOOOO
For the a´ ritme!!!!
Irish and other Celtic people's are white till we start another rebellion. xD
Epic
What an amazing video.
25:45 what nazi furries ? 😂💀
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Comment for the algorithm..and don't shit on Fallout...or Skyrim 😂😂
that was a sensual british accent JT
If you replaced whenever they said "fetishized" with "romaniticized" this would be more accurate.
algorithm comment good
Let's see their faces
I like sneks
55:59 Americans always get wrong what it takes to defeat something that is not a country.
Time to kill snake and form leather boots from it
Because of these guys i now have a pink soviet ushanka
Is Yugopnik from kosovo?
He has not said and probably will not say. Which is fine, he should be allowed as much privacy as he wants. However, his first language is Serbo-Croatian, so most people narrow down his country or origin to Serbia or Croatia. I have seen others claim his family is from multiple ethnicities.
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