Is this worth the extra $1,000?? - Logitech Pro Racing Wheel and Pedals
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Our local car enthusiast Jake is here to take a look at the new Logitech Pro Wheel and Pedals to see if this $1,400 setup is worth your money or if you should stick with the other players in the game like Fanatec.
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0:00 He really does wear gloves
0:37 Unboxing and mounting the Wheel
2:45 Initial feel impressions
3:24 Disappointing connectivity
4:19 Unboxing the pedals and customization options
8:24 Sponsor - Vessi Footwear
8:52 Checking out the GHub
10:17 Trying out TrueForce Feedback
11:31 Playing without TrueForce
12:45 Overall thoughts and competition
14:17 Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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Of course Jake would cover the racing peripherals. Won’t be long before he takes it home, not that I’d blame him.
He already took the fanatec setup which is better than this by quite a margin.
Pretty sure he has fanatec stuff at his place already, which have a better build quality and an actual ecosystem and remember the DD2 is rated at 25nm compared to logitech, but thrustmaster is also releasing a DD wheel base and their method of wheel mounting looks terrible there's gonna be so much flex, but I would of preferred logitech to of went with a entry level DD wheel
Why would he take it if he has the Fanatec one? BTW. prices here are wrong/old. Right now this LOLitech (micro USB in nearly 2023 LOL) setup costs around $1600 in total. You can get same/little better gear for half of that price from Fanatec or MILES better if you want to spend that $1600 anyway. I'm a huge fan of logitech mice but this is a joke...
He also said he has the space for it. Now how's about making some videos and showing us! Does he have twitch or something?
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Always nice to see LTT covering more sim racing things 👀
Hmm that’s interesting I thought it would’ve been called racing sims like all of the other simulators I’m aware of but everyone is saying sim racing. Makes it sound like you’re racing in the SIMS to me lmao
@@saltissuicide a car would also require you to replace the tires, add fuel, maintain and take care of it, have a place to store it, and you cannot easily race anytime you feel like it. Also, you can get a really good setup for 3 to 5 thousand, and in this day and age, that would get you a lemon of a car.
@James V Rude Simracing in general does help a lot to simulate real life racing without the actual hard part of real life racing. As a professional BritCars champion and a simracing youtuber Jimmy Broadbent says "Car isn't real, but racing is."
@@monhi64 Sim racing is what you do in racing Sims XD
@@superpork1superboy771 yeah the age old, why not buy a real car instead? doesn't really make sense. Like real racing costs way more than just the car and you can't really get a few races in after work.
Also one doesn't exclude the other, ton of real drivers use Sims to practice cuz track time is expensive and limited.
Bro put on some headphones or turn up the sound. What kind of psychopath plays a racing game with no sound and then complains about the sound of the wheel in a completely silent room?
If you put headphones on you won't be able to hear it, tf is the point of that
@@X3N1THthat’s the point
@@JoshxMemes so why is there a speaker in the wheel in the first place
@@X3N1TH there’s not, I don’t know where you were told that
@@X3N1TH they’re talking about the clicking noise the force feedback makes
Yep, I picked up the G920 back in 2019 for $180. (2019?!! Time flies.) It works for me. I did have to mod the brake pedal to remove the dampening sponge that made it very difficult to press. My kids are starting to get to the age where practicing driving on a computer is far more legal than taking them in an actual car to some parking lot.
you bought his shoes too ?
Your set is good for kids, need a better simulator ???
It's for children levels, if that is what you need, it's good enough !
I have so many Logitech wheels, they are all a bit crappy ...
@@lucasRem-ku6eb they are the best bang for the buck. better wheels can cost double the money. this is why the g29 is by far the most popular budget wheel you can get. not everyone wants to spend $500+ on a racing wheel.
@@Dreadpirateflappy I kept the old MOMO force thing, needed service still 100%, free, update when this too fancy wheel is $300 !!
Please take them out remote and let them drive for real 😖 i was one of those kids
My personal tldr review on this wheel is that it's technically great but much higher priced than comparable tech. It also looks like a gaming controller. Pretty much all other DD options can look and feel like a real racing wheel and I find that way more appealing.
This thing will probably be available though. Actually being able to buy something tends to be a big plus (looking at you Fanatec Xd)
@@zwenkwiel816 There's also Moza Racing whenever Fanatec doesn't have stock, soon there will also be Thrustmaster.
@@zwenkwiel816 fanatec, moza, thrustmaster (soontm) simagic, theyre all better dd systems. (waiting on thrustmaster ofc)
I appreciate more buttons on the wheel. Very useful in most games
@@RCmaniac667 there are plenty of 3rd party wheels with more buttons, & with something like moza or simagic qr being a standard NRG type you can put anything on them
9:45 Dual clutch levers are used for e.g. F1 cars. That's the way real F1 drivers use the clutch, too. The idea is very simple, yet effective. You adjust clutch levers so that the sum of the levers controls your clutch and you calibrate the levers so that you can drop one (let's say left one) at the moment you see the green light and that gets your car moving without stalling the engine (with quite a lot of clutch slipping though) and then you modulate the clutch activation with the another hand (right in this example). This allows very accurate launch without computer assisted clutch which is not allowed in F1 racing.
Literally came to the comments to see if anyone explained this before I went off about it lol
I use a Simucube Pro and Heusinkveld pedals, so this obviously isn't on my radar but I really like the idea of a proper consumer available DD wheel. I think it's hilarious they beat Thrustmaster to the punch when they've been teasing one for so long.
Not really considering the price is in the exact $1,000 price range of the existing units, at least Thrustmasters is considerably cheaper and already has an ecosystem of wheel rims that works with it.
Also I find it weird they didn't release a Formula/GT style wheel with it considering they used Lando Norris in the promo and sponsor McLaren F1 team 🤔, at least Thrustmaster has the Ferrari SF1000 wheel for a VERY reasonable $450
Then you look at the moza r9 as well which is an even better option with a bunch of existing wheels rims 1st and 3rd party that are supported.
The budget fanatec DD wheel is perfect for those who want to get into it, and don't want to get something that is made out of complete plastic and has gears inside it lol.
@@biggiesmalls7939 true, but that's if you can catch CSL DD's in stock 😂. Every time I've been on their website this year it's been sold out and has early/middle of next year delivery dates
I would have bought one but, I decided to build my own from a 130ST servo motor.
@@RoasterOven thushmaster is PC only. also logitech is coming out with more to their line up. they just didnt throw everything out there on release.
The plastic screw and plastic housing for the temporary clamps are meant to be soft so you're less likely to damage the surface from repeatedly removing and re-installing the kit the same goes for what i am assuming is going to be a lowerable carpet grabber pad for the pedals, where you also get the option to hard mount it.
You'd expect it to be rubber padded metal though... 1k is no small amount of money
@@HarryL2020 True, but rubber gets soft and gooey and sticky after a few years
@@denvera1g1 silicone would be the solution
@@HarryL2020. Making the clamp the weakest part is a good idea. Crushing your desk surface or potentially breaking the housing seems less desirable.
Buying 1350$ sim racing peripherals and mount them to your desk and bare floor... That sounds like a great idea; pair them with your rotating office chair with wheels, even better.
I really like trueforce, you just need to tune it to your liking. 100% is a tad too strong in ACC. Also the effect is handled much better in Dirt Rally 2.0.
Why not get some buttkickers instead? Like if you want engine vibrations that makes more sense than muddling up the FFB signal by mixing in game audio (cuz that's what they seem to be doing in a lot of games)
On the topic of Logitech's true force, I race on iRacing with the G923 which supports true force. My trueforce seemed what I thought was normal for the longest time, and one day while I was putting my wheel away dropped it, yes it still works, but the trueforce sounds (and if I had to guess, feels) like what it does in this video. There is a chance it could be broken in this unit, but I also could be wrong, maybe trueforce wasn't working for me and one day it decided to start working. Would like to hear from other owners of Logitech wheels with trueforce.
Edit: For added context, when it started not feeling what it used to, I disabled trueforce in iRacing.
I've also got the 923. I really enjoy the Trueforce. It's noticeably absent in games that don't support it. It is noisy though if you're not using headphones.
the trueforce on the G923 and the G pro are NOWHERE near the same. the reason its so noisey on the G923 is thats a gear driven wheel. the gears make the noise. the G Pro is not noisey at all, unless you have it setup wrong like this guy and on a WOODEN table lmfao.
I like it a lot in my little cockpit setup. The vibrations make their way to my seat, and it feels kind of sick.
@@DuckRotation yup! on a rig is proper use, not a wooden table as in this video.
here he just never tweak it well enough i think . you need to lower it to comfort zone
I think whats often forgotten comparing to Fanatec, is for a PlayStation setup the only option available at least here in Australia Starts at $2500 for the DD1 podium base and club sport F1 wheel , pick the closest matching pedals to the Logitech G force pros and that set up from Fanatec is $2500 AUD. And if you absolutely despise an F1 wheel it’s another $600 for a round wheel, bringing it up to $3100, because you can’t get the DD1 base without the F1 wheel. Compare that to the Logitech with its pedals for $2100 AUD, that makes it quite competitive here in Australia and you get a normal shape steering wheel. Granted the Fanatec has more torque and it’s a smaller unit, this may justify its extra cost, but that only inforces how well priced the Logitech is here, being $400 less and still producing 12 Nm - about the average maximum most users prefer (not everyone wants to pay the extra for more torque) 12Nm really is a lot.
G29’s produced about 2.3 Nm.
Fanatics gear is awesome stuff and their options are endless, it’s too bad there isn’t a better value option for PlayStation (probably a licensing issue I suspect) but if that’s the case Logitech seem to have got around it.
As an LTT fan and a sim racing fanatic, these are my absolute favorite videos on the channel. It's nice that Jake is actually into sim racing, it's such a niche hobby that it would be super obvious to anyone who knows even a little bit about the hardware if he was just fumbling though it. Like Linus tried to do with the full sim racing set up lol. Love the video, not interested in the Logitech wheel, but happy to see sim racing getting any mainstream youtube coverage.
I don't really understand who this wheel/base is for - if you're spending this kind of money you surely know the Fanatec CSL DD + McLaren GT3 combo or the Moza R9 setups both exist, at less money with far more industry respect - and for the Fanatec a HUGE ecosystem of wheels to go along with it. It needed to be at least $100 or more cheaper for it to make any sense - or are there actually people that would buy this for the Logitech name? Surely not.
@@ross-carlson I think anyone spending this kind of money isn't going to care about it being 100 dollars cheaper. Some people do have loyalty to Logitech, maybe it was their first wheel, their only wheel? Idk, I'm not one of those people, but I know they exist. It also has 3 more NM of torque than the csl dd, 2 more than the moza and to some people that may matter. I don't think it will sell particularly well. The only wheel I see it outperforming sales wise is the new TM DD wheel, because it's actually trash. I have a csl dd and I love it. More than enough for me.
so into sim racing he uses a swivel chair with wheels on the bottom to play with a wheel that has 10nm of force.. looolll
@@ross-carlson As a moza r5 owner - I cannot stress enough how good their product are. I'm shockingly surprised.
i think sim racing is on the brink of blowing up into the mainstream. soon having a sim setup will be like owning a coffee maker. everyone will have one in some form or another. it has really grown in the past 2 years.
Jake is taking this home for sure
You should check out the Moza Racing r5 and r9 bundles for more affordable direct drive options. They are lower torque, but also around $600 usd for the r5 wheel base with pedals.
The Fanatec CSL DD bundle is the same level of torque (≈5nm) for $100 less and with a MUCH bigger selection of wheels, and it's got more power than Moza's new R3 (≈3.9nm) for the same $400 price. 🤷
@@Cooe.Do consider that the fanatec ready2race bundle was a very recent thing, so when this released that wasn't an option 👋🏼
@@lunalucifer3335 Sure, that specific bundle is recent, but Fanatec's bundles in general have been around for FOREVER.
Even before the utterly groundbreaking $400 Ready2Race bundle it was only ≈$500 for basically the same kind of CSL DD setup bundle for like a year before that (aka same price as Moza's R5 w/ a FAAAAAR better upgrade path & accessories ecosystem), & just ≈$600 before that (starting not long after the CSL DD launch in 2021).
Moza never really made sense IMO unless Fanatec was out of stock where you lived (they had lots of infamous supply & logistics issues around ≈2018-2021) or you didn't trust their build quality after a bad personal Fanatec experience (as these people definitely exist). 🤷
@@lunalucifer3335that mounting option has me shook though i went r5, so hyped to see.
These last few years have been aweful for manufacturers massively increasing prices.
The last few years have been awful for everyone. Manufacturers pass on the costs, down the chain all the way to the consumers.
@Spoony I see every single retailer scalping constantly in the past 2 or so years. It's only the consumers getting hit. All industries are making massive profits off of us.
@@addictedtoRS In 2020-2022 Freight prices have gone up 400%, semiconductor prices have gone up 8.2% and worker shortages have increased lead times by 8 weeks meaning more manufacturing costs.
I would effectively make an average of negative 47% margin if I didn't raise prices.
No retailer is scalping you, you are just blind to the inner workings of commercial retail or just entitled enough to think that retailers should bankrupt themselves for you personally.
@@5thwiseman So in tough times, do you expect to maintain the same profit margins as previous years? Or obsess over increasing profit margins year over year despite the cost to the consumer? I mean, you don't go into business to lose money, obviously. But making less than you made last year is not losing money if you are still far more well off than the consumers that buy your products. You look after your people, and they look after you.
@@mikeoxmaul7968 You neglect the fact that everyone's costs has gone up significantly and this shit is out of my control.
I'm not in the oil industry and have zero control over it, but when the war broke out and resources were diverted, fuel prices skyrocketed and there wasn't damn thing I could do.
If the cost price of a product has increased 45% and I expect to make 8% margin same as last year. However given the rate of inflation is 9.3% this year my 8% is looking more like 4% after factoring freight, tax and inflation. I'm actually WORSE off than last year.
At each step of the way is a person with a family to feed, so don't act like just one person in the whole industry is being an asshole and trying to rip you off. I didn't invent inflation, material and worker shortages or start the war in Ukraine.
“Why is there a racing line on?”
Proceeds to totally ignore the race line and steam into the gravel 😂
He’s a TH-cam content creator not a racer.
I mean, I've seen some sim racers that actually like the trueforce after setting it up a bit. But then again, they test their stuff for a couple of weeks before making a video on it. It's honestly a bit sad that this is on a short circuit, it deserves more than just unboxing plus an hour of gameplay.
I think the mounting point makes a huge difference when there is so much vibration involved. A cheap table cannot be doing it justice
Trueforce is awesome, but it's horrible in Asetto Corsa Competizione, and the table is also likely not good for it.
F1 cars has a two stage clutch. thats really the only place you would use that dual clutch paddles. press both in, drop one paddle for 50% and then you feed out the rest.
I believe dual clutch is now forbidden in F1
They've also never worked in an F1 game,
@@TrevHowsonDemon82 yes in the official F1 game clutch as an axis is not supported:/
If by previous generation you mean the G923/G27 then the wheel didn’t feel cheap. It felt very premium for what it is. It’s metal wrapped in leather. Not sure what you were expecting.
its a little small, but i agree the build and feel is plenty good for its price
I have TruForce turned off on my G923.
When Logitech announced this I was immediately intrigued. I love Logitech gear and the G923 has served me well for iRacing. Would love to see more wheel reviews on here.
Is the g923 good for beginners? I’m looking for a wheel
you guys NEED to do more sim racing stuff
Pay them.
you're honestly better off just watching boosted media or one of those. they are enthusiasts and do hardcore deep dives
No, they need to leave it to actual trusted sim racers.
Like some shoes to show of the peddles lol
Unless they take it a bit more seriously or stop only mentioning fanatec/thrustmaster then they need to step away far away, to anyone that likes sim racing this is a terrible video.
If Fanatec could keep inventory in stock.....
If only...
Yeah well you can always preorder and wait. I know it sucks but it’s worth the wait.
@@SimRacingVeteran I'm torn with all the good reviews of the Moza systems now.....
I recently purchased this wheel, and I think your experience of TrueForce may have been impacted either by the fact you used the wheel desk-mounted or by in-game settings. I have mine mounted on a PlaySeat Challenge and use it mostly with iRacing, and I find TrueForce to be immersive and realistic, not noisy. That being said, increasing the amount of gain for TrueForce in G-Hub or in-game can negatively affect the overall force feedback of the wheel.
I think iRacing just has a way better TrueForce implementation. I just copied my LFE mix over to the TrueForce mix and it was perfect, LFE feedback in the wheel is a huge improvement.
Hi, does this wheel worl well with the playseat challenge ? Or is the ffb too strong ?
@@qrosenfeld the playset challenge works well enough for me, but I already had it before upgrading the wheel. I set the torque around 5 nm, and the flex of the wheel mount is noticeable but not distracting. However, I cannot take a hand off the wheel without it vibrating badly. If you don't have a challenge already, then save up for something sturdier.
How much is worth for slow upgrade true adapter for pedals first and than later the wheel for this price (using g29)😊
The “dual clutch” paddles are for the lower paddles in F1 games. The clutch is on the wheel in an F1 car. At start both clutches are held, then one is let off before the other for the best launch.
Not exactly. Driver can hold either one of them, the reason why it's on both sides is that the driver not always can use the paddle on one side (for example, when he's adjusting cars settings). Some drivers only have one paddle, like Charles Leclerc.
I love the Sim racing videos! They are great.
The reason they used USB A ports on the back is so that if you want to plug the pedals in direct to a PC for full range of the pedals then you can but allows them to also be connected to the wheel base for proper console support, this way unlike others you dont have to switch cables making things far simpler for people that want to switch between full range on PC direct to console support by just moving the cable from PC to wheel base.
Great point!
Well that's nice I guess! Does not excuse the micro USB ports though. lol
I must admit, the quick release for the rim looks a hell of a lot better than the Thrustmaster TX base 'quick' release 'system' with a woodscrew
Yeah, the one thing that steered me away from the Thrustmaster Ecosystem and into Fanatec was the Thrustmaster "quickrelease" system. It just looks cheap. and like a bigger pain than its worth.
Fully agree, I have the TX-PC base and the only reason I bought it was because of the price I got it for. The release system seems like an afterthought despite being an incredibly important part of the wheel. I had a T300RS a few years ago and the screw broke off which made swapping wheels a nightmare, then after a few weeks the wheel just stopped working altogether and I had to bin it because it was out of warranty and I couldn't repair it despite diagnosing everything including the power cables 😭😭
11:44 that's why there's a racing line lol
Appreciate how ya'll are using this gear with the sorta stuff a normal person would have. Most probably wouldn't consider the flimsy ikea table or monitor shaking when ordering a nice wheel like this, so seeing that reflected in the vid is really nice for making an educated purchasing decisions.
I get you're point, and I think it's valid. But I don't think many that this is marketed towards are going to be using it on an ikea desk :P (that is to say, please don't because you'd be better off with something cheaper)
Thats exactly why Linus had them build so many sets, they use the set that not only makes logical sense, but one that offers a setup similar to what a user might see in their own home.
@@aaron5847 hah...*Logitech*
Bruh if you think Sim racing is even close to affordable to a normal person- yikes
Micro USB is a dealbreaker for me. So many of those things have broken on me over the years I'd never trust them on a $1000 device. Ever. Usually it's the cable rather than the device that breaks, but not always.
Hell, a regular USB Type-B would of been better, not like this requires high data rate.
I mean this thing is more like a mount it ones and forget type of thing. It's not like a phone which plugs and unplugs more than 2 times a day.
Sure USB c would be nice but I don't see it as a reliability problem.
You don't want it, because of the cord it uses? Hahahaah
You can buy a pack of 10 cables for $5
The last two comments are the reason these company’s cheap out instead of giving us a superior product 🗿
@@newindigo2347 why do you think it's cheaper than higher end ones.... Because it's made to a cost, if it can function well for a good price, who gives a fuck what cables it uses.
@@newindigo2347overall logitech is doing a dumb cashgrab with this one. 1000$ for the same sub-par logitech quality and it doesn't even come with pedals or a shifter? How stupid are the sales team. If it had pedals and a shifter included 600$ would be fair. I don't know what kind of an idiot would pay 1k for this crap. 300$ at most.
I wish somebody would make force feedback gearshift. Why isn’t this a thing. Gearshift should rumble a bit, as step on the gas. I want this for ATS, but nobody make force feed back gearshift.
I want see somebody make big rig wheel. That be nice. As in commercial big trucks (Pete 389 etc). Been happy with my g29/ TH8a shifter and add on shifter for ATS, sure not wheel. But good starter wheel. Agreed this wheel is too much. Especially here in Canada.
I've had this Logitech Pro wheel and pedal for about 2 months now and it is fantastic. I'm in Australia and Fanatec was just impossible to buy so that is why i got this, but I truly don't regret it. Once you get it set up to your liking you love it. 2k in Aussie dollars. I also have it mounted to my chunky desk with the clamp and it does not move at all.
Lol yeah, fanatec would dominate if people could just actually by their products XD
@@zwenkwiel816or if they just had some sort of customer service and quality control
Dang that is awesome maybe I should add that to my setup for my videos. I don't have a direct drive yet
Ive got the G920 and I really like how these petals are adjustable but they still look too close together! Also, finally a joystick on a wheel!
You can move them side to side to give more room. As well as mount the actual foot plate off to the side a bit if needed as well to give even more space
Fanatec has had Sticks on wheels forever
My first wheel for sim racing was a logitech driving force GT. I concur on the plastic clamps, as one broke off. Used 3M command strips to 'velcro' it to my desk for 4 years. That would not be a solution with this wheel. But it still always felt good to smoke a split while spending half the time pressing it back into the command strips.
With good speakers or headphones the trueforce audio through the wheel is very nice, it complements the audio. If you take it on its own, without good audio, it's awkward. That's on G923, I'm guessing it's similar on the pro. I'll probably upgrade to a fanatec something, but then I'll want to create my own trueforce with a but-kicker. If you think about it, in a real car you can feel the vibration of the car engine through the wheel, and you don't only feel the tyres on the road. Trueforce get's that close.
The only thing I wish we had was force feedback flight sticks that are reasonably priced. All the driving wheels get force feedback :(
That's fair. Guess you could simulate stick shaker events with that and the like
@@javianbrown8627 It would make properly trimming the aircraft much easier and realistic, as you normally hold the yoke to maintain an attitude, then adjust trim till there is no more force being felt. Can't do that with normal spring centering sticks or yokes
@@robertellis6853 Fair enough, I'm surprised these don't already exist. Wish I had the technical knowledge and equipment to turn other people's ideas like this into a reality as well as my own
@@javianbrown8627 they did 20+ years ago. I had the microsoft sidewinder 2, was great for flying sims etc. we seem to have gone backwards.
@@Dreadpirateflappy Perhaps if one person does it, the standard for the products will raise and others will follow creating more innovation. Unlikely though as flight sims are even more niche than racing sims
If racing gear is up on the block for review, check out the Moza R5 and/or the R9 bundle(s). The R5 just released and it's a budget DD wheel and I'm currently waiting for mine to come in. Moza has been storming the industry.
I have one I love it I think it’s a great wheel for the price my only issue I didn’t like is the wheel is a bit smaller but it’s something I’ll get used to coming from fanatec also which they sold a shifter that would connect right to the base
@@jeremykiel8799 Yeah I can see that being a bit of a bummer. I bought the brake boost kit + clutch pedal for the R5 and it's here already. I plan on getting probably the clubsport shifter as an addon to the setup as well. My current wheel is the Thrustmaster T150 so the DD wheel is gonna be a whole gamechanger for me.
The honk when Jake pressed the wheel was a great touch! 😂
11:38 'idk why there's a racing line' proceeds to find out why there's a racing line
Lets gooo!!!!! More Sim racing content from you guys 💪💪
finally!!! love this. ltt covering sim racing gear is awesome, its an amazing niche and well needed and deserved this kind of coverage.
Probably one of the most appropriate uses of the word "massive" I've heard in a while, given that "thud" when Jake put the thing on the table harder than normal.
You cant feel clutch engagement through the pedal, you can pick up on the engine vibrations maybe depending on the car but clutch pedals are linear in feel. Just try operating one with the engine off.
I bought the CSL DD with boost kit and almost the cheapest WRC wheels, ended up paying more than 1400$ CAD including shipping. Does not seems that much cheaper than this one! Oh and using the CSL DD boost kit with the "free" QR1 attachment for the wheel is kind of broken. After a few week, you end up with a "loose" in the wheel when you change direction rapidly
yeh that plastic qr is pretty bad
Moza Racing! I just got the R9 wheelbase (9NM) and with Black Friday deals I squeezed out under $1000 for the base, wheel, pedals, and all accessories. All metal build too
Yes...Moza R9...same here...
what wheel? CS is a bit to heavy i quess for the r9..
ohhh boy, Jake shares my sentiments about the wheel exactly: there are several options out there for less money, no matter how you slice it. Even recently, Moza just released their R5 base for $350. Add on a wheel and you have a wheel base and rim for $500. Not everyone is going to need or want to use the extra Nm headroom here. There have been so many actual drivers who acknowledge that cars with power steering are no where near as heavy as 11 or 12 Nm, so no, there's nothing wrong with liking the extra force, but it doesn't mean that you'll be getting less information from the FFB with less Nm headroom, and 90% of sim racers stay between 5 and 8 Nm anyway. There's just a ton of Logitech fans who think anyone balking at the price point either has an anti-Logitech bias or just hate anything new, but Jake is right, $500-800 is the right price point for this wheel. Before Moza, Fanatec, and Sim Magic came out with cheaper solutions between 4-700 for a base and a wheel, this price point would be understandable, but those companies have released too many cheaper options to justify buying this over any of those for any reason other than feeling safer with Logitech or living in a country where it's literally impossible to get them. Even console compatibility can be navigated with a usb hub/adapter. There are a ton of people who make it seem like money is no object to them. I have no doubt it's a great wheel, but it's damn near twice as much as the competition at this point.
Along with the CSL DD, another 2 cheap DD options are the Moza R9 and Moza R5 (Bundle).
The R9 comes at 440$ (without a rim) and delivers 9Nm of torque, while the R5 is priced at 599$, for a wheel base producing 5Nm, the basic rim, and throttle + brake pedals (not loadcell though).
Also for the R9 you can get the basic rim for 250$, or some higher end ones for around 450$.
And the alpha mini.
@@gillesfleury2619 Right, forgot about that one. It is however a bit more pricey than the rest here
you should post a review here, why you type letters here ?
@@lucasrem Huh?
And the moza dont work with consoles.... the G pro and GT DD do
David gives great racing advice I'll remember that stuff next time I play Forza
You guys should try out the Moza R9. It's really good from what I hear, and it would be great if we had a review of it!!!
Second this stay away from Logitech junk.
@@casual_flex yh Logitech have always been the budget brand idk why they released a £1k wheel when the next cheapest is £300
or the simagic mini.. stay away from these logitech toy plastic stuff.. overpriced..
Or just don't support the industry until they fix the prices on their overpriced hunks of metal.
I picked up the Moza R5 over black friday from Microcenter. Was a $499 with 10nm direct drive with wheel and pedals. Great budget option for direct drive with less wheel support, but might not be a problem since many people will buy and never upgrade.
Might want to double check your numbers. Moza's model numbers line up with their torque specs. R5 =5.5nm, R9=9nm, R16=16nm, etc.
@@MikeDiswhoibe1 yeah you are correct not sure where I got 10. However 5.5 is way to strong for most of my family members.
@@mobilechaosyt The g29/923 was too much for just about anyone inexperienced with sim wheels that I've let try it, so I could see the R5 being a handful
never need their 3-Stage Clutch? why problem ?
1000 for a solid wheel and an 11 nm wheel base isn't bad. that new $650 thrustmaster is just the wheel base. the other cheaper options you mentioned are also less powerful.
I’ve gotten more serious about sim racing recently and just got a G923. I’ve already turned off all assists and once I start improving on lap times, I’ll get a direct drive wheel
10:30 Assetto Corsa Competisee-o-nay
Great job, Jake! Keep up the good work!
Dual clutch paddels is a pretty standard thing in newer f1 and paddle shifted open wheel cars that do not have a clutch pedal.
My man needs more track time at Leguna Seca
I wonder if the 4 pin connector at the wheel's quick release is using canbus protocol to communicate with all the switches on the wheel. BTW, there is something funky with the audio with Jake's voice.
so im not the only one! I just hooked up a new DAC/AMP and was really hoping it wasnt the new hardware
Why you need CAN bus ? What is the need here ?
my Bike has Shimano DI2 gears, CAN bus, i can use the controls to make it electric too.
You need this to replace parts in your Tesla car ?
@@lucasrem well it's that or USB. Just like canbus. It only needs 4 wires for communication. So you could have endless buttons and dials wired to a logic board and only need 4 pins for the connector. The 4 in the canbus connector is can high, can low, power and a ground. Canbus runs on 12v where as USB in 5v. It could be just USB.
yeah it sounds strange
As an owner of a Logitech DD Pro (Got it a lot cheaper when it first come out!), some things glossed over were the multi profiles accessed via the on board screen so Trueforce etc can be tuned to your liking, also Force feedback can be tuned too you don't need it breaking hands at 11nm all the time. The USB hub on the rear isnt True USB so don't try and use as such. I do however agree on one point I am looking forward to more wheels being released for it.
id never choose this over a fanates csl dd ...the price for what ? the logitech logo ?
Can I make suggestion, compair it to the simagic alpha mini , I'm sure it walks all over it and it's a comparable price. I've a simucube 2 pro and HE sprints personally but I've had most of fanatec's products at some point ( csl dd , dd1 , dd2 V3 pedals , and a bunch of there wheels ). But I'm glade I moved to simucube, and I know people who went from fanatec to simagic alpa who were happy they did also.
Yeah, I think they target people who have only heard of Logitech and Thrustmaster. But there's nothing wrong with that, I guess it's good for the hobby. But if you know your simracing stuff you can get a much better setup for similar money
you all cry other wheels, LOL !
the clut paddles thing is for f1 style clutches which are on the steering wheel! v cool to see on a prosumer product at this price point
True force is ok at 10 rather than all the way up. And also having the force feed back being set to a controllable setting help jake lol
Yeah they don't have a clue.. Should not review stuff like this.
Fanatec this, Fanatec that. Need to explore your options more. Sounds just like a plug for them and without knowing nothing has been in stock for most of the year it seems. Moza Racing, Simucube, Asetek, and Heusinkveld are a few brands that have amazing wheel,bases, and pedals all at varying price points.
I think the issue is that Logitech and Fanatec are the only companies that have sent Linus Group sample products. This logi set is pretty much entry cost when your dealing with true sim gear and I doubt Jake has a collection of various gear at home. I would love to see them do more reviews since there are better options than these 2 and there are affordable options out there for casual racers as well.
I would say Fanatec is more main stream than Moza or Simucube, one of the big 3 names, where pretty much everyone knows
@@MCD10000 while I don't disagree, a simple Google search or TH-cam search has brought the brands I mentioned more into popularity. Sim racing has had a big boost since COVID started. I'm assuming anyone that wants to be a sim racer searches TH-cam. Any major streamer brings these up and reviews multiple brands just like if anyone wants to do hardware research would be here or on jayztwocents, Gamers Nexus, etc. I'm not trying to hating here but this is clearly exaggerated from other reviews. You can watch people like Boosted Media, or Jardier race well over the strength this wheel puts out and have complete control. The car spins and he lets go like it's going to put him in the hospital
@@lundiboy8 oh yeah the DD2 dislocated will's figure (boosted media), I am mainly looking at fanatec right now because I have high end flight sim gear (virpil not the best but the gold standard) and I don't just look at specs at this level, I look at the ecosystem, how long the ecosystem is gonna be sticking around for and what accessories there currently are, I mainly do rally style stuff so a wheel without a handbrake or h-pattern/sequencal is gonna be useless to me
Yeah, I fully agree and don't forget about Simagic too!
If you only race on PC and are willing to spend around 1k or more to get into the DD world, I wouldn't steer anyone towards Logitech, Thrustmaster, or Fanatec. There's been so much amazing competition at this entry and mid-level price point in the last two years it's pretty hard to recommend the big traditional brands if you can get the new stuff in your country/region for a good price.
But the big difference is for people who want to play on console. If that's the case then your only options are the big three (TM, Logi, Fanatec) so the whole buying option gets really limited. But at least for people who want to race on consoles there is competition in the DD space now that Logi has come out with this and TM has a DD coming down the pipe at some point.
Have the wheel mounted to the desk wasn't as big if a disaster as I was expecting. I have a VRS and there is no way I could mount it to a table without causing all sorts of chaos.
I'm glad they didn't put the connectors on the bottom like they did with the g29 wheel,. The bottom connectors seem like a hassle if you want to for instance just disconnect shifter etc you have to totally unmount the wheel from a desk or cockpit to change anything.
It's so interesting how racing peripherals are evolving! Good job guys!
I like seeing Jake review the sim racing gear. He's quite obviously an enthusiast who knows the products and what people want and don't want in this sort of hardware.
Shame he doesn't seem that knowledgeable. Didn't even try to turn the trueforce down.
@@filipruml at least hes introducing the hobby to mainstream consumers
@@filipruml i can forgive that given this is a short circuit video. he clearly isnt familiar with logitech wheels and the accompanying software, and probably had like 2 hours to get to know the product DURING filming. id say its more an issue of LMG trying to churn videos out than jake lacking knowledge. given a couple of weeks im sure he could have produced a well informed review, but that clearly wasnt the point of this video.
@@filipruml nor did he mention how certain quality of life things like the quick release system and adjustable pedal spacing compare to Thrustmaster or Fanatec's offerings. I've got a TX and the TM load cell pedals and this Logitech pair looks like a rather tempting upgrade, although only because of what I already know, not because of what Jake told us. Same as him not recognising the purpose of the dual clutch paddles, for a "car guy" he doesn't seem to know much about motorsports
@@filipruml look I will admit that he could have done better. He could have just turned off the true force but I think in the interest of a review it should be on so you can tell the viewers about it.
The one part where he really did show some lack of familiarity with sim racing hardware was when he was talking about the clutch paddles.
i loved my csl dd pro gt, but now am getting the dd+ cant wait, great videos btw!
David's comments to jake make this so much better.
I'd love to see Jake test the Moza R9 lineup
it' great that you are discerning enough to see where they used lame connectors, and you're exactly right. for that kind of money, it should be just about perfect.
They *always* fixate on products not using usb-c.
@@DoubleMonoLR because micro is a dated and much more prone to failure standard. New products should be criticized for using it
@@amr1t_ the plug on this thing is not going anywhere.
@@dustinfredrick6534 well yea no shit. But it’s dated and everything is moving on. It becomes an inconvenience to the consumer at some point, especially when even Apple is starting to move some things to USB-C
@@amr1t_ well, considering the single and only use for the cord is to attach the pedals to the wheel, i dont see where any inconvenience could come from. Not like you have to plug a different cord into it
I have a micro B cable exactly like that on my Astro C40TR (makes sense since Astro is owned by Logitech). Even after getting reefed on for years and being constantly plugged in and how, the connection still clicks in place like it's brand-new.
Why you cry i need wires ?
Astro Studios is the company, Logitech only bought the Skullcandy part!
So watching videos and doing research, I am between Moza and Thrustmaster's new DD offering.
This will be my first sim rig and I don't want to feel pressed to upgrade.
Fanatec is high priced with limited availability, it's for serious enthusiasts with rigs.
Moza and Thrustmaster are in the competitive market and are more widely available with swappable wheels. That Sparco one looks incredible.
Then Logitech has big branding and the largest retail availability. $1k is just too much with Moza and Thrust making great products in the 600-700 range
Dual clutch is reference to F1 (formula one) cars that have a 2 stage clutch.
It would be awesome to do a head-to-head between wheels at different price points to see if buying a more expensive wheel make you faster.
No wheel will make you any faster. I literally know someone who is in top 10 around the world for formula vee in iracing, his setup is a g27 mounted on his desk and a 24” monitor. He’s the reason why I’d never buy any better setup, unless I have talent like he does.
@@hughski0000that’s subjective.
nice touch with the horn
need more of these videos
I need me a racing sim set up ong!
I mean, cool that Logitech steps up, but at this price point I would definately go to Fanatec. Seeing the data and some details I suspect a lot of it is Fanatec anyway but I could be wrong. And the eco system of Fanatec is a lot more evolved. And for those who want quality Heusinkveld is the choice. The Sprints are very good for the money. For Wheels the DDs of Fanatec are good I guess, I personally went for the Simucube 2 Pro which is awesome.
This is better than anything from fanatec, except maybe the podium 2. Much smoother. Higher quality. Etc. too many people fanboy for fanatec without realizing it’s not the best
Honestly I wish the hub used usb type B 3.0 connectors. Works well as a standard connector for larger items, and the connector always gave an impression of robustness. the reversibility or extra pins of usb C aren't really needed but a 3.0 hub would have been nice.
Haha, the "honk!" there made me almost spit my coffee!
Vessi, sponsor a new pair of trainers for Jake... He really needs them
I had the Logitech G923 and swapped to the Fanatec CSL DD when I got more serious with sim racing. I don't think I would ever pay $1000 for just a wheel and base.
I like mine. The trueforce is kind of cool. It gives me a warning in iRacing when I need to upshift with a vibe thing, which is great when in VR. I have Fanatec clubsport pedals, but I've not had good luck with Fanatec wheel quality over the years, and they are having stocking issues lately, but every Logitech wheel I have had has been just about indestructible. Probably shouldn't do a review on a wheel of this quality without it being in a cockpit.
Why you cry cockpit ? is it any good, you never need the lame gaming chair for that!
I'm a huge Logitech fan, all my peripherals are Logi, 815, 502 Lightspeed, Powerplay, 935s, X56 HOTAS, I think they're all built well and I like the way they feel. GHub had some major growing pains, but for the last year it's been rock solid. However I'm so sick of them not having USB-C. It feels like they absolutely hate USB-C for some reason.
How cute to see the car guy learn about clutch paddles 😉
Appreciate Jake's take on this
Really good video ! Sounds like the audio starts going out towards the end .
6:14 good tip for Logitecht about the colors.. it baffles me that a company as big as Logitech screwed this up. There are a lot of color blind (there are multiple types of colorblindness) people out there... to which this manual is useless. They should have just printed: A-B-C or something on those things...
Interesting to see how Logitech stack up against the small companies like Fanatec, Simucube and Heusinkveld et al.
f;natek is yuge
fanatec is fucking massive it isnt a small company
@@Ari--d Fanatec is decently sized but not huge. Endor AG (Fanatec) have a market cap of $170 million and 200 employees. Logitech is $10 billion with 8200 employees.
@@Miwna yea, but logitech owns a bunch of other companies. Their G devision isnt that big and the race wheel department is likely even smaller. All fanatek does is race wheels and flight sim equipment
@@Ari--d Perhaps, but Logitech have loads more cash and people to put into R&D etc. which they seemingly haven't bothered with when developing this. That's why it was interesting, to see the difference between a multinational conglomerate vs a boutique company.
The whole car horn and MLG horn thing at the end really got me and made me laugh
Bruh. I just saw this channel for the first time and I watch LTT a lot. I subbed. Very glad you're also into cars! I am getting this...
If only Fanatec could actually stock some of their entry level DD setups. I've been waiting a year and still nada. Might just grab this thing instead.
According to their blog, it will be in stock in Q1 2023.
Nice, revue. The CSL DD is not the one to buy, the reason is simple, out of stock. It's been a while now, and once they come back in stock, the price will hyke, fanatec allready annouced it.
its also nearly impossible to get them shipped into certain countries like Australia and even if there is stock then it takes months for it to even be sent
I just grabbed the PlayStation version and pedals. Now just waiting for my playseat trophy to get here. I will say one thing that made me go with this instead of the fanatic. Availability! You can’t get the fanatic anywhere it’s been sold out for months and they don’t expect stock until later next year. I also decided to bite the bullet even with the hefty price since it’s a Logitech and I’ll know it will last for awhile.
The trueforce doesn’t bother me as much after wearing a head set and it also helps in some games where going over curbs makes the car spin more
Some of those usb decisions can be to avoid digital noise, feedback and improve latency.
I worked for a commercial flight simulator company and interacted with a lot of major simulator peripheral companies and that was often a huge issue.
Along with what chipsets and ports were used on the host pc too. We actually see these issues frequently in VR, as Linus has complained about frequently.
How does micro-b cause less noice, less feedback and better latency than usb-c? Got a source for that claim?
@@jylounen the micro b doesn’t really, more the separate usb ports and using usb 2 versus usb 3.
You guys should roll your own DIY cockpit using the chassis of some old junk car. XD
The try force is suppose to simulate steer wheel shake from the road and motor, to do that there are gears that rub on each other
thanks for finally getting into driving stuff
That's always my issue with pedals, the clutches just feel terrible especially if you actually drive stick. That actual engagement and tactile feedback is so important in my opinion and they can never find a way to have that.
Agreed, would be useful to have even some vibration or something when coming to bite point.
@@Krayzpetethere are pedals that have bite point feel to them. You have to look into higher end pedals for that but it exists.