As someone who only observes the handheld market, this is the first one where I'm actually like "wow". Not just because of the device itself but also the realization how far we've come in terms of handheld performance. I would be very interested in a video trying out potential use cases for this as the "main personal computer", with various docking configs.
I used GPD Win 2 as the main personal computer, plugged to USB-C and connected to external display. It works quite well. I'd expect the same from GPD Win 4, and I'd say it will be likely on par with Steam Deck. Main complaint regarding the GPD Win 2 (docked) was the heat and the loud fan. And the battery life (as in how long until the battery starts to bulge and needs to be replaced).
I bought a gaming PC about 2 years ago. Not a huge thing but it's been able to play everything I have thrown at it. The processor in the GPD 4 may be a touch stronger than what I have in my huge PC. It's crazy. When I get my GPD4 I think I may actually consider getting an Egpu and take the 2070 Super in my PC and just dock my GPD4 to it and use it as my main computer all the time.
@@DenilsonSa The GPD4 apparently is a beast when it comes to cooling. Surprisingly quiet fan and I saw videos comparing games on both the Deck and GPD and the temperature were a steady 70c for the Deck while the GPD4 was around 50c.
@@DenilsonSa If you want your GPD devices to last longer. Make sure to use something like the Power Control Panel app. These devices if left to their own free will will ramp up wattage usage for something as simple as a background update. My GPD Win Max 2021 probably lost a lot of its life simply because of that. Now I have it throttled to 8W and for everyday usage its plenty of power. Just need to switch profile when I want to game. Anyway, enjoy your Win Maxs!
Yeah I like the size too. Smaller things that pack more of a punch is something that always intrigued me in the handheld device market. From little handheld tvs to Gameboy micros etc. I cant get enough.
@@BlackPanthaa seeing this command I needed to double check, since I couldnt believe you are not the type of "drive everywhere" guy and find you on this channel here as well. May I ask what games you'd play on a walk since I just know you as a racing game TH-camr. Have a nice start into the weekend brother.
I know that the next Switch iteration won't be at this level of tech specs (how could it when it will be ~$700 cheaper than this), but I'm really excited to see what Nintendo does do with it given all the innovations we've seen in the market.
I don't think this has anything to do with the Switch. Nintendo has proven they can sell consoles with their games alone - this is just a further step on the spread of mobile pc gaming.
The New Switch Pro XL better be a Portable PC or it will flop. No way anyone (who already has a Switch, specially if it's the OLED) is gonna buy another Switch that's just slightly less inferior than it's previous version.
This thing is like my teenage tech dream! The aesthetic of the PSP/Vita, with a decent form factor and that late 2000s aesthetic slide up screen and mini keyboard! 🤯🤯🔥
I did the same thing when I saw it a few months ago. Placed my preorder right then and there and I didn't even do that for the steam deck. This thing is exactly what I want in a handheld.
Yes I LOVE that technology has come to the point to where we can have a full desktop gaiming experience in a handheld form factor with arguably very little compromise. Now we just need pricing in the competition to stabilize more. The pricing of the deck is a good step in that direction too. Before the deck something like the GPD Win 4 would have easily been 1200+ even while on indigogo
Yeah I really enjoyed my GPD Win, but sadly since the Win 2, they've targeted a much higher price point. I picked up the Win for only like $300, but now all their products are $600+.
It's a T-Mobile Sidekick. That's the design they're aping. My wife had one. I loved it. I had the G1, and later the G2. I will forever mourn the loss of fold-out keyboards in smartphones.
@@GSBarlev I have had this discussion with tons of people. Nobody ever agrees with me. Nice to se somebody else say it unprompted in the wild. I could type like the wind on those slide out keyboards. Now I fumble to type on any touchscreen no matter the size.
For android phone was an LG ally, then a Droid 4. Then another Droid 4 when that one died cause there were no good alternatives. Then the Moto Z Force in the hopes a keyboard module would be made. Almost made it there in a kickstarter but it died cause Motorola screwed over the teams. Then an F(x)tec Pro1 rose from those ashes, but it just wasn't for me and kinda buggy. Waited so long for Project ARA only for Google to kill it. Kept up on a few other modular-type phones in the hopes of one making it and enough people wanting keebs. But finally gave up after my Z Force died and the Pro1 just wasn't working out, now I'm on a Note 20 Ultra. During the 5ish years I had the Z Force I got used to using Swype, so that helped me transition to using screen typing only hut ugh, still miss the physical hardware keyboards though. Maybe one day they'll come back!
@@Emiichocothe steam deck is better in terms of controls, but this is better for portability. But your comment saying they're butthurt is simply childish and untrue
I've refunded the second I've heard about the win mini 😅 I got the original win max and I would love the idea of a more powerful mini version of it ❣️🙏
@@burgulize i decided to opt out of the mini 2024 purchase after finding out it does not include a occulink port. ADT-link has Oculink encolusres and boards now
It would be interesting to see a "desktop replacement" test done with this when docked. Tests like thermals over using it as a windows desktop for lite work all day, or when gaming for a few hours (exceeding its typical use on battery)
I just wrote that in a stand alone comment, yes, that would be very interesting. Especially temperatures if it´s connected to the wall (power) for a longer period of time, I bet it could handle most mundane tasks like internet browing/TH-cam/emails etc. flawlessly, 60 fps on popular non triple A titles should be within reach at 1080p. Need a review.
Yup, I ended up preordering one for this reason. I'd love for this to replace my personal dev box.. Since all of my workstations have thunderbolt/usb docks.
As a kid I used to dream of having a Sony Vaio UX, OQO or some other UMPC. Even now I can still only dream of having a handheld PC because of how expensive they are, though I do have a HP Stream 7 which I bought back in 2015
@@JoeyPerleoni I still have Win8.1 on mine but sadly the support ended just recently. I'd say the most annoying things about the Stream 7 are: only one microUSB port and no separate charging port, only 1GB RAM and 32GB eMMC, and no other input methods than the touchscreen. I love the fact that the Steam 7 can be charged from a normal cheap power back or even from a PC USB port but a dedicated charging port would have been a nice addition so that it would be possible to use a USB hub while charging the tablet. The tablet also needs a working battery to even boot so if/when the battery dies the tablet won't boot even when connected to a charger. I'm not sure if a separate charging port would have made it possible to use it even without a battery like how it's on most laptops. Some other cheap Windows tablets also had a microHDMI port which would have been nice to have too. 1GB RAM was already really low when the tablet was new so an Atom Z3735F with 2GB RAM would have been nice. 32GB storage is also low for desktop Windows but tbh most more expensive Android tablets still had 16GB storage, heck even the iPad Pro 2015 had 32GB on the base model and unlike the Steam 7 it didn't have a memory card slot. And for the input methods I think a small trackpad and mouse buttons next to the display would have been nice (like on a HTC Shift) but those are more of UMPC features. Something similar to the Surface Pen would have been nice but that obviously would have been too expensive. Some small (official) qwerty keyboard case would have been nice too. To this day the Steam 7 is still the smallest PC that I have and the only one that can be charged with any USB charger or power bank. It can even run BioShock (2007) although at quite low frame rate Edit: I completely forgot the 32bit EFI which makes it impossible to run 64bit Windows on it. But that's the same on every Bay-Trail tablet. Linux 64bit works though because it doesn't require a 64bit EFI.
As a kid this is what I wanted instead of modern smartphones. Not only the hardware but also full fledged PC OS support. You could use some UI mode and use it as a phone.
GPD nailed it this time. From form factor, to design (big F to Sony), to speaker, to performance, to eGPU support. Man if only I have unlimited amount of money.
At the same time, the constant iterations is the biggest thing keeping me out of getting a handheld gaming PC - it’s moving so fast and each one getting better than the last, which is normally a good thing, but means it’s always going to be a case of “yeah but if I wait six more months there’ll be something better”.
@@Blinkxys tbf the switch isn't even competing. it's its own product. these handhelds have the same form factor of the switch, but that's basically all they have in common
@@miscl_anon Except that most the Switch can do, they can do as well. Switch Emulation works quite well on Windows and Linux, the only thing you really loose is some online capabilities.
@@overlordmarkus That ignores the market the Switch is aiming for, though. Most people who are buying something like a Switch aren't, in fact, computer geeks who are wanting to homebrew and run emulators and all of that: it's children or their parents, looking for a simple and cheap gaming system they can use without having to do a lot of their own configuration. A base model of one of these costs about the same as buying 3 Switches, so there's the costs there. There's multiplayer on a single system, where in this unit's case you'd have to buy a second controller where there's a lot of Switch games that can use the split joycons. There's the usual idiosyncrasies of configuring games in Windows, and the still to this day spotty controller support in PC versions of a lot of games, and so on and so forth. it's the classic console situation: even when they're weaker, they have their own suite of advantages that let them appeal to a broader market in general.
Another great thing you didn't mention: this thing has "backpacks". It ha snotches next to the air vents so you can hook up a LTE module or other stuff they come up with.
Not worth it. Piece of junk. 2 hour battery life out of box means it will drop to like 1.5 hours of battery life after some basic usage. Battery technology is not up to par to run a device like this. What is the point of a "hand held" computer that has to be plugged in to change every 70 minutes?
@@SRC267 Don't entirely agree with the other dude... but you can emulate anything in the switch's library on this thing and/or run its native Windows version, which not even the Steamdeck can as reliably do.
Now THIS is a step in the right direction. I enjoyed one of the older models thanks to its portable (as in actually fits in your pocket) clamshell design, but have been disinterested in most of the recent handheld PCs of late due to their huge size. While this might still be a little too big for my personal tastes, it still has an impressive amount of power while still being fairly small. I could see myself using this.
@@nicolasmfa Im sure in another 5-10 years it will surely be possible to get that performance smaller. But at the same time I feel like these companies would rather increase the power of the device instead of making it more compact
As a steam deck owner, this thing is awesome, and there's lots of things I prefer about it over the deck. The killer feature of the deck though really keeps coming back to price. For a starting price of literally half the amount, it's hard to fault the deck for some of it's shortcomings compared to this device. That said, still a really cool portable, especially given the performance it offers, but I also wouldn't have considered a steam deck at all if it started anywhere close to $800.
also valves customer support andthe touhpads, some may find them useless but for casual fps gaming it's leagues above an analog stick or for games that benefit from a mouse cursor I can play bejeweled 2 and zuma for example then play halo ce or master chief collection then play racing games and the price just wish it had thunderbolt a lot of people don't like the screen of the deck but it actually looks fine to me and the lower resolution makes it easier to run games I want this gpd I just wish it was cheaper
For some games (that have text to read) I find the Steam Deck already borderline on the screen size. This would be unplayable for those sorts of games (for me) lol
Valve subsidizes their hardware with software sales. If valve is making any kind of net profit on the steam deck hardware sales, I can't imagine it's more than 1%. They're hoping to get a kind of customer into their store that they've never had before, the console gamer.
Such a ridiculous well made and over the top consumer grade handheld. Not backed by some greedy big corp like Nintendont or even Steam/Valve? Running Win10 and literately the screen and joysticks being the parts that is the key parts that seems to not be over the top good? Just... Mediocre? Epic execution of a product. Honestly. It even have good run at competing with a desktop PC.
@@shnoo8900 Yeah this thing can easily do PS3 and Wii-U. But it's gonna suck that battery like a mofo. I'm really looking forward to the I3 versions of the Ayn and Ayaneo devices.
Check out The Phawx or ETA Prime's videos on the Win 4; you'll definitely see some emulation showcases there. I recommend also following The Phawx because he's doing proper tests on it and has some videos highlighting potential to min/max it (adjusting the power consumption to yield better battery life at same or similar performance to stock settings).
This thing reminds me a ton of the old Sony Vaio UMPCs from like, 2006, but in a Vita-type format for games. Absolutely love how this looks as somebody who thinks the Steam Deck is way too big for me to want one.
@@mariocollisionmaker you know I never really understood the steam controller until just a little bit ago when I was trying to figure out a solution to make a controller playable.. they used to be all sorts of cool peripherals out there.. it's amazing how many of them don't exist anymore and they don't even try.. when I originally saw the steam controller I was just like well it's just an upside down controller what's the point I didn't realize what it actually was and what it was actually doing.. now all I think of is.. gosh darn it that was that was a really cool idea.. and I'm really glad that they brought that over with the steam deck.. it kills me that the other tiny PC companies don't even bother trying.. and nobody even brings it up like it's a problem, it's so normalized this dual analog time loop we've lived in for 20 years. my question I haven't used a steam deck cuz I just I don't really have a use for that but, have they actually smoothed out the touchpads cuz if I remember correctly from what I read the steam controller had problems with its touchpads the way that they implemented it.. there were solutions that you could have easily done if they had a second iteration if people had had just wholeheartedly rejected it.. but they didn't so now that they've kind of do I wonder if they've actually solved some of the problems with it? Cracks me up how much valve used to be the champion of Microsoft, like the entire game of half life was incepted out of a proof of concept that DirectX could actually do the things and better then even a bare metal at the time.. and just over the years it's just been that realization.. like they're not on your side anymore, they're not trying to help you do cool things.. they want you to do their things and they want you to be happy.. and I guess they don't realize that they don't have a cult like Apple.
I think that's the first of those handheld PC that I would classify as a real alternative to the Steam Deck. It's expensive, but I think for once, you actually get more than the Deck and not less. The GPD Win 3 was underpowered compared to the Steam Deck, while having worst battery life and being double the price, same thing for the Aya Neo Next. The Neo Air is also underpowered and more expensive, but it also has a great OLED screen, so it's a sacrifice if you prefer performance or screen quality and size. The Anbernic Win600 is the only one that also runs Steam OS and is around the price of the Deck, which is great, but it also uses an Athlon APU, so it even has difficulties running games like Ori at a constant 30 FPS. There are also the odd ones like the OneXPlayer that have basically the same problems. WIth the GPD Win 4, the Ayn Loki / Loki Max, the Aya Neo 2 and probably others I'm forgetting, it's really cool to finally see some real competition and what Valve will do in response (not that I expect a major update to the Steam Deck in the next year, we'll probably get one with a slightly better screen, better battery life and things like that, but I don't see them abandonning their custom APU after only a year)
One of the best things Steam Deck did was to lower the market price for all handheld PCs. Before it, these things went for $1200+ easily. Now it looks like the companies making these have to aim for better performance and more reasonable profit margines. I just hope they can improve battery life further down the line.
Aya Neo is far ahead of a steam deck in terms of a handheld pc so I don’t know why you even use a deck as comparison lol. I have both aya Neo next and a deck . Aya Neo is a much better device. The gpd doesn’t deserve to be compared to a deck. Compare it with aya Neo or a next player
@@droo3010 mb for you, the next does have a better cpu but worse gpu, compared to the steam deck, ergonomics heard they were fine for the most part, but bear in mind, the steam deck is a handheld that starts from 400-600 while the next still being a more expensive one. Gpd win 4 is also undobtly one of most feature pack/compact handhelds out there therefore i dont quite trust gpd as a company. Now i can say other aya neo devices like the geek or 2, and with upcoming next 2 those are nice.
@@asunavk69 the screen on aya is also much better . And the aya runs games much better than the deck . The deck could barely run any other than steam games smooth. But the screen is as horrible to look at compared to the Neo. And the frame rates on Neo was better. I really was disappointed on the deck after owning a Neo since it’s so big like a brick and couldn’t play many of the games I play . Btw . And for calling it a handheld pc is kinda disappointing when it’s only good with Linux which is so limited for me
Although I'm a hardcore PC enthusiast, I'm kinda liking these stuff and if they continue to become this good to the point that they can easily push modern games at 1080p 60fps I might actually buy one even if it is $1k
It just goes to show that we don't really need lumbering towers anymore. The only advantage that they have now is cooling so you can get more performance out of it but the fact that you can plug in external components such as storage/gpus and power as well as stream it on a bigger TV screen, kind of kills whatever advantage PC towers had.
@@wanderingbufoon I wouldn't go that far personally, to suggest that traditional desktop PCs are obsolete is a bit of a stretch, especially considering this thing is typically at least $2000. Not to mention the issues that come with egpus and other external components and being hardware bound by this handheld. Handhelds are great and they are probably going to become the preferred method of gaming in the future, but I think that's still many years away.
@wanderingbufoon you can literally build a ultra compact pc with zero performance compromises. People build large pc for aesthetics. We have seen gaming laptops for decades
@@wanderingbufoon idk.....being able to swap out parts and easily upgrade is a huge bonus over these devices that are basically handheld consoles. I love these handhelds but theyre not close to beating out beast pcs
pretty neat. you should do a video where you install Steam OS on a few of these devices and compare it windows on each one, I'd love to see how they all size up in a SteamOS vs Windows line up
Fwiw, ThePhawx already has (possibly ETA Prime as well?). He reports tag everything worked out of the box except the fingerprint reader. That plus the fact that it's easily user-serviceable (GPD's official TH-cam shows you how to get upgrade the SSD) has me looking at this really longingly, even though I love my Deck.
I certainly can't jump on the roughly $1600 asking tier for the top-range model, but seeing this makes me very happy that I didn't buy a steam deck yet. Like many others have already expressed, it's crazy how far handhelds have come.
I seem to remember that part of the goal for valve was not only to have a successful product but to encourage a market of successful products similar to the deck. It seems like with this it's starting to indicate that they were successful on both accounts. I mean they win either way if somebody's using steam on one of these or on their steam deck.
Quite the opposite... It's actually GPD who encouraged everyone on the handheld PC markets and not the other way around. Valve only announced Steam Deck on 2021. Meanwhile GPD distributed its first handheld PC way back in 2016. Give proper credit where it's due man...
@@xlDon2lx With that logic, Valve was trying bespoke gaming machines for PC configurations before even GPD Win in 2015, with Steam Machines. They even attempted to apply the same marketing and developing methods as GPUs- where a base model is made and then licensed out to other companies- so I mean... Where it begins is a little hazy, so while it's fair to say GPD was on the actual *handheld* part first, Valve followed their suit with intent to stir it up some more after they failed the smaller niche project. GPD also started on Indiegogo crowd sourcing, so it's probably more of Valve encouraging this "small company" to keep going by throwing their hat in. But who knows, picking this apart isn't too productive.
@@rvmiv_ shouldn't you be able to install whatever OS you want though because, like the Steam Deck, it's literally just a computer? Valve either had already or is going to make the SteamOS available to download for use on any device.
that would be awesome, especially if he is taking into account price, as it gives great cheaper options (most likely steamdeck) and super expensive options for the rich gamer.
i've just purchased the new 2023 version which has a 7840u instead of the 6800u, 64 gigs of ram, yes SIXTY FOUR gigs, and 4TB SDD. its a replacement for my ancient and archaic GPD Win 1 with 4 gigs of ram, windows 11 takes up half the ram, through sheer willpower i managed to get Baldur's Gate 3 running at a painful 5FPS :P so looking forward to playing modern games on the go again!
That battery made me lol. It was inevitable that something faster than Steam Deck would appear but since the price is pretty high it's great that all these options exist in this market.
At least it competes with Steamdecks 512GB version. But still gets laughed anyway. Lets wait for 7840U editions. I gotta take a bite on that Radeon 780M on handhelds
Not worth it. Piece of junk. 2 hour battery life out of box means it will drop to like 1.5 hours of battery life after some basic usage. Battery technology is not up to par to run a device like this. What is the point of a "hand held" computer that has to be plugged in to change every 70 minutes?
@@chinbosschinboss2484 If you lower the TDP, you can get way more than that, and still play some decent games. Also, compared to the Steam Deck you can get a 2280 SSD for half the price than 2230, so there's that value. It's not so much more expensive than the top tier Steam Deck.
@jondasek while I agree the built in ssd is very nice I still haven't actually been upset with my ssd size after using the deck for almost a year. You can just get a microsd and there's not a real noticeable speed issue. Also I personally like labeling cards with the game they have and then plugging them in like using a Nintendo DS back in the day lol
@Chris Bryson th-cam.com/video/KlaYXrH0MJg/w-d-xo.html from this video. Its the maingear mg-1, when Shroud bought into Maingear, they sent LTT the pc with some different swappable front plates
What a wonderful time we live in. I hope they make a bigger version too. That thing would also be amazing to do serious office work. The envy of the office.
Their mouse/joystick swich is I believe hardware-level (so like, two different sets of code on their joystick controller). It's honestly excellent. I'm more of a Win Max guy. But this shows they had come such a long way.
Put an OLED screen on it, SteamOS, and you'll have me wanting to buy it.... in about 2 years when my steam deck is older. That keyboard and form factor look amazing!
An OLED is going to annihilate the already-stretched battery, and you can already put Linux (and probably, explicitly, HoloISO) on it. For me baby-hands Linus saying the ergonomics were incredible pretty much ruins it for me and my gigantic paws. 😔 If GPD does a follow-up in the same gen with the exact same hardware but a larger form factor, I don't think I could resist buying one, and I *love* my Deck.
@@GSBarlev steam os works on it as per taki and other reviewers have shown. assume there will be some follow up since the gpd win 3 was this but more lame
Tbh you getting free windows in here which in itself is a value, you can switch to Steam OS for free, so will rather have windows and do dual boot on this! Switch emulation works wonders in this
GPD tend to iterate new versions of their hardware every couple of years so by the time you're ready to buy, there might be something even more powerful on offer.
I've been following this mobile pc scene for a while now but this is the first unit that actually excites me and makes me want to purchase this. $800 isn't even that much for what this thing offers imo. In fact, I was surprised the price didn't start far higher.
Agreed. This is the first one of these devices that had everything I wanted at the proper price. Plus it uses full size m.2 drives, so I can throw in a 4tb ssd.
@@cactusmanbwl1990 The manufacturer of their default SSDs is apparently looking from comments on indiegogo page for Win 3 pretty shitty, so if you and or me get it, probably replace it with Samsung/Kingston something recent without shadow changed hardware.
The mobile pc handleheld/game types been out for some time.. Only real issue is price/quality control.. build quality will vary and refunds are hard to get. I wouldn't risk the price, only if you know how to repair and can afford it lol. Lot of which is hard to tell a part, as there are plenty of "copy" builds of each other, as the original is lost in all that mess, when you shop direct from china like aliex/baba, etc. And also how safe is it? what sort of key loggers are installed? that people are unaware of? virus scanners arent really made to pick up "unknown" special ones, custom virus's. I'd probably only keep for gaming with no CCredit cards or extra logins. Thats like having a extra dummy PC just for pirating games.
Not worth it. Piece of junk. 2 hour battery life out of box means it will drop to like 1.5 hours of battery life after some basic usage. Battery technology is not up to par to run a device like this. What is the point of a "hand held" computer that has to be plugged in to change every 70 minutes?
I always thought it would be cool if the docks for these had some kind of cooling improvement, like an additional fan or something. So you get better / quieter performance in 'desktop' mode.
The GPD's cooling system is already the best out of all the devices of that kind. It runs in the 50 degrees celcius while gaming. The Deck by comparison goes in the 70.
True, that would be amazing, but I've found that with my experience with the GPD Win 2, a simple desk fan is more than adequate to supplement cooling. I actually used a wire mesh phone stand to keep it vertical with a small desk fan behind it whenever I wanted to run more stressful titles like Fallout 76. I've noticed that most "laptop cooling pads" tend to use extremely weak fans for some reason, so I doubt that it would even work well if they made an all in one solution. You are probably better off buying a cheap desk fan and calling it a day.
One thing a portable gaming device have to have is a good suspend and resume mode so you can just suspend the whole system with a button and then resume the game exactly from where you left it. Steam os does this really well and my experience with Windows sleep in games have been very spotty.
This really brings back memories of the Sony VAIO UMPC from like 2006, would love a video on that one, never had the money for one (as I was 15 years old only haha)
That's pretty sick! Not ready to buy one yet so if the next one is OLED and has the better sticks then I'd be all in! The slide screen and keyboard are really tempting though, if I hadn't just had to buy a car I would probably get this, love the chonky Vita looks too!
I'm so in love with this one. I really want a realistically portable handheld PC, something much more compact than the Steam Deck, but it's going to be a few years before I can justify the expense. But damn do I hope something with this form factor is around then. Especially the lanyard/wrist strap attachment point. I don't understand why they're not standard, I wouldn't want to drop that on the concrete train platform during my commute 😬
With the tech industry going how it has been. I would guess no longer than a decade till the fully functional and practical hand held pc market will up and running.
I remember back in 2009 when the rumors in the internet for the next psp go looked like this.and I'm happy I'm alive to see this hardware come to fruition
This looks perfect for a travel setup. Like perfect for gaming when in transit and then setting up with an external monitor and mouse and keyboard for a mobile gaming setup. Perfect for on the road with the power to back it up. Exactly what I’ve been looking for
Look, I have to be honest. This is the first time I've looked at my Steam Deck and wished I'd waited for something better to come along. This solves ALL of my problems with it, function and form factor wise. If I hadn't bought the SD already, I'd buy this. As it is, an OLED screen and HALL effect joysticks might still get me to buy the next iteration...
This thing is a beast, I am excited to see where we are headed. We have gaming rigs in the size of a VITA, if someone gets VR running off it would be amazing.
havent you heard?? theres already Pimax making a VR headset that combines with a handheld machine. (the handheld goes into the HMD) .. i forgot its name but its in the works and theres a video about it.
4:17 - Why do people with long floppy hair continually flick it behind their ears, only to look down again so the floppy locks flop about again? It's like wiping your lips only to dribble again.
Yes, 16 CU‘s would’ve been so amazing! I don’t even care about a higher price or a bit more power draw, 16CU‘s in a mobile PC would be such an amazing thing! Since I usually play my handhelds at home, in the car, the train or plane theres always a charger near. I’d never sit in a Forrest with a handheld and if I ever would I’d just take my steamdeck and play things like portal with 6w power draw..
It was a wise decision to go down to 12 CUs. If they even thought about using 16 at all! For 16 CUs you need power! Even the 6800U needs at least 40 W to release it's nearly full potential. Don't get me started with 16! Even 8 cores are overkill. Especially with Zen4 4C/8T should be really fine. Of course using it as a desktop those 8C/16T are nice bit still a bit overkill. So what now? Going up to 40 W is heavy. I don't even know how high the GPD Win4 can go. But 40 W would need a heavy bulky device. I mind the weight of the Steam Deck but it shouldn't go higher IMO.
@@Megalomaniakaal if size or heat is the issue, they could've sacrificed cpu cores for CUs. We only need 6 cpus at most, even 4 of zen 4s are fine. 16CU would've made it carved its own niche in the laptop space.
I'm SO very disappointed in Linus and the team for not comparing the keyboard to the T-Mobile G1/HTC Dream. Also, I can't help but think that the Win 4 supporting a 2280 M.2 is a bit of flexing on Valve.
I'm loving the development of cheap-isch, accessible handheld PC gaming devices. The Steam Deck has changed how I play games, and I'm very interested in seeing how this market develops as we get more and more efficient APUs
This showcase felt like I was watching a cooking video while hungry. Man, I just can't wait to see what tech may rise up throughout these upcoming years.
I'm in and out of the hospital a lot and have wanted an affordable handheld option to keep me company, I'm so glad to see it become a reality. Now the only tricky part is picking the right one, but I'm really liking this one.
I'm looking at this the same way I looked at my steam deck the first time. I refuse to part with my steam deck(512gb) I still think it's incredibly powerful for what it is and I don't mind the res drop, but this is superior in almost every way. I hope this product gets fine tuned a little more but I will certainly be buying one!
@@Dakeyras83 That was a little bit of an exaggeration. Obviously some things about the steam deck are better, but this is at least better in terms of raw performance and IO.
@@mattster7412 Don't worry, the Win 5 will be announced as the Win 4 starts shipping. The Ayeneo Next 2 Pro is another contender, they're almost done with their kickstarter for the Ayeneo Next 2.
I have (and still do) quite a few of GPD's devices. I have always been impressed with the hardware. I still use the ORIGINAL GPD Pocket when doing field work. The battery is getting a bit long in the tooth, but otherwise it's rock solid. The GPD XP and GPD XD are my two favorite emulator style devices (8-16bit primarily).
I know I say this most of the time, but this hand held looks great, I'm really tempted to get it, but then I remind myself I have no use cases for mobile gaming like this
Watching this gave me that feeling you feel when you're a kid witnessing like a brand new release Gameboy commercial and being so excited that it literally hurts that you cant have it immediately. I almost had to stop watching numerous times, then you pulled out the flip down keyboard---oh!---ah!----ma heart ! ❤️ its too much anxiety for one video I've been a huge fan of handheld gaming technology since 6 year old Me got my first Gameboy and was just frozen in astonishment such a thing existed , you can imagine how the last 30 years have been for my inner child
I've been waiting for this one for a while now. As a huge fan of the SteamDeck, I don't think I could give up the Steam OS environment, plus the touchpads and back buttons. Those alone are a huge deal for me. But I'm just excited we're finally getting more portable PCs that really pack a good amount of power.
A couple months ago I did order the Win 4 since its exactly what I am looking for. But I agree with you. I am happy that actual competition to the steam deck is coming out and that the higher price is also brining more/better features above and beyond what the steam deck already supplies. This makes me excited for Steam Deck 2
@@-Cesh-They need more affordable competition tbh. If steam goes all in on the next one it will probably blow everything out of the water and still be affordable.
There are a ton of handheld PC coming out but there is one thing the Deck will always have an advantage with. The price. Since Valve makes money from games they can price the device really low.
I doubt it will be real competitor. Performance-wise Win4 is better option, but deck is a lot cheaper, easy to fix, have trackpads and huge community support.
@@rincewindthewizzard6594 Speaking strictly in terms of definition it can be a competitor but for different reasons. Someone who wants something smaller than the Deck with more features would certainly be looking at the GPD4. That's what happened to me. What the GPD4 is not is a Steamdeck killer. It's made for those who want something else than a Deck.
Its worth noting that the specs on the video are not the specs of the $800 base model. That comes with 16GB ram and a modest 512GB SSD rather than the 32GB Ram 2TB SSD shown in the video. That will likely cost at least $1,200 just because the memory and SSD costs. Its just a difficult price point for gaming at 1080p low settings on most modern games and has very poor chances of keeping up playable performance with new games a year or two at most.
@@adultinggamer If you only intend to use it for gaming whilst mobile then a keyboard-less variant would actually be very nice. They could either make the whole unit slimmer and lighter or use the extra space for better battery life and maybe even a bigger screen with smaller bezels. Being able to dock it and use an e-gpu means the keyboard would be useless at home since you A) wouldn't be able to access it and B) you could have a wireless KBM setup.
You'd be surprised how often I need to use a keyboard when using these kinds of devices. Also, very annoying when you need to type something but don't have a physical keyboard.
When Linus looks more at the tech, than the camera, you know he's into it
And his voice goes up 2 octave's
he wouldn't put it down lol. ill have to wait till it goes on sale or buy it second hand these things usually go for 1k plus usd.
id buy these sort of handheld PCs if they had a glasses free 3d display, love to emulate gamecube and wii games in 3d
@@girlsdrinkfeck can I ask what that looks like? I'm just confused because o thought only the 3ds had 3d
@@Mythicalgoon There are laptops coming out or out already (one was shown at CES I think) that have it
As someone who only observes the handheld market, this is the first one where I'm actually like "wow". Not just because of the device itself but also the realization how far we've come in terms of handheld performance. I would be very interested in a video trying out potential use cases for this as the "main personal computer", with various docking configs.
I used GPD Win 2 as the main personal computer, plugged to USB-C and connected to external display. It works quite well. I'd expect the same from GPD Win 4, and I'd say it will be likely on par with Steam Deck.
Main complaint regarding the GPD Win 2 (docked) was the heat and the loud fan. And the battery life (as in how long until the battery starts to bulge and needs to be replaced).
I bought a gaming PC about 2 years ago. Not a huge thing but it's been able to play everything I have thrown at it. The processor in the GPD 4 may be a touch stronger than what I have in my huge PC. It's crazy. When I get my GPD4 I think I may actually consider getting an Egpu and take the 2070 Super in my PC and just dock my GPD4 to it and use it as my main computer all the time.
@@DenilsonSa The GPD4 apparently is a beast when it comes to cooling. Surprisingly quiet fan and I saw videos comparing games on both the Deck and GPD and the temperature were a steady 70c for the Deck while the GPD4 was around 50c.
@@DenilsonSa If you want your GPD devices to last longer. Make sure to use something like the Power Control Panel app. These devices if left to their own free will will ramp up wattage usage for something as simple as a background update. My GPD Win Max 2021 probably lost a lot of its life simply because of that. Now I have it throttled to 8W and for everyday usage its plenty of power. Just need to switch profile when I want to game. Anyway, enjoy your Win Maxs!
Yeah I like the size too. Smaller things that pack more of a punch is something that always intrigued me in the handheld device market. From little handheld tvs to Gameboy micros etc. I cant get enough.
The fact that they have a 64gb RAM model and 4TB of storage is actually incredible! And it supports mobile data connection!
facts i want it but its 1600 & i just got the legion go 😤
Absolutely useless for gaming. Unless you want to do productivity with it.
They don't have it!
I've ordered one a few weeks* ago! The fact it's so much more portable than the Deck means I'll use it more for it's 'portable' use
Oh look it's Pants!
@Epilith since I walk everywhere the smaller & lighter the better
@Epilith middle zone? Which portable is the large zone then ?
@@Xfade81 onexplayer
@@BlackPanthaa seeing this command I needed to double check, since I couldnt believe you are not the type of "drive everywhere" guy and find you on this channel here as well. May I ask what games you'd play on a walk since I just know you as a racing game TH-camr. Have a nice start into the weekend brother.
With the Switch 2 further off than anticipated, I feel like we’ll be getting a lot of handheld gaming PCs this year.
I know that the next Switch iteration won't be at this level of tech specs (how could it when it will be ~$700 cheaper than this), but I'm really excited to see what Nintendo does do with it given all the innovations we've seen in the market.
@@cthomas025 also doesn't matter as much since the Switch is a closed system
I don’t think the next switch is going to come out as long as switch sales remain constant
I don't think this has anything to do with the Switch. Nintendo has proven they can sell consoles with their games alone - this is just a further step on the spread of mobile pc gaming.
The New Switch Pro XL better be a Portable PC or it will flop.
No way anyone (who already has a Switch, specially if it's the OLED) is gonna buy another Switch that's just slightly less inferior than it's previous version.
This thing is like my teenage tech dream! The aesthetic of the PSP/Vita, with a decent form factor and that late 2000s aesthetic slide up screen and mini keyboard! 🤯🤯🔥
Exactly why I bought it, can’t wait for it to come in
IM BOUTA NUT
@@alexanderbaker4900 that’s a good idea actually, might do that now
@@alexanderbaker4900where do you get that from?
Ik u ain get no hoes in school
First handheld were I said - I want this. They're pushing all the right buttons with this thing.
Same for me
Same here too
I want that!!!
Take my money!
I did the same thing when I saw it a few months ago. Placed my preorder right then and there and I didn't even do that for the steam deck. This thing is exactly what I want in a handheld.
Yes I LOVE that technology has come to the point to where we can have a full desktop gaiming experience in a handheld form factor with arguably very little compromise.
Now we just need pricing in the competition to stabilize more. The pricing of the deck is a good step in that direction too. Before the deck something like the GPD Win 4 would have easily been 1200+ even while on indigogo
it even has a freaking trackpoint !
I would love to see a "how well does it work with the Steam OS" section in every handheld PC review.
I was thinking the same thing!
What's the point? If it used its own Linux version, I'd get it, but this runs Windows, are there Steam games that are SteamOS only?
@@didikohen455 using steam os you might be able to get more frames out of it by not having windows background tasks running
@@didikohen455 it's free, Linux can be less resource heavy and some people just prefer it over Windows
@@didikohen455 It is also specifically created for handheld controls
Been following GPD's shenanigans for years. Good to see they're still at it.
Same. Would be awesome to see them release another mini laptop with this kind of performance and specs.
Yeah I really enjoyed my GPD Win, but sadly since the Win 2, they've targeted a much higher price point. I picked up the Win for only like $300, but now all their products are $600+.
@@dudelydudeington9789 Look into GPD Win Max 2.
I have my GPD XD for about 4 years now. Still like new!
Does it beat the steam deck?
I literally gasped in joy when you showed it had a full fletched keyboard. That thing is sick
fledged*
@@codey1391 ty
It's a T-Mobile Sidekick. That's the design they're aping. My wife had one. I loved it. I had the G1, and later the G2. I will forever mourn the loss of fold-out keyboards in smartphones.
@@GSBarlev I have had this discussion with tons of people. Nobody ever agrees with me. Nice to se somebody else say it unprompted in the wild. I could type like the wind on those slide
out keyboards. Now I fumble to type on any touchscreen no matter the size.
For android phone was an LG ally, then a Droid 4. Then another Droid 4 when that one died cause there were no good alternatives. Then the Moto Z Force in the hopes a keyboard module would be made. Almost made it there in a kickstarter but it died cause Motorola screwed over the teams. Then an F(x)tec Pro1 rose from those ashes, but it just wasn't for me and kinda buggy. Waited so long for Project ARA only for Google to kill it. Kept up on a few other modular-type phones in the hopes of one making it and enough people wanting keebs. But finally gave up after my Z Force died and the Pro1 just wasn't working out, now I'm on a Note 20 Ultra. During the 5ish years I had the Z Force I got used to using Swype, so that helped me transition to using screen typing only hut ugh, still miss the physical hardware keyboards though. Maybe one day they'll come back!
It's crazy they add every type of control they can. Back buttons, a keyboard, even an optical mouse!
This thing is better than the Asus Rog Ally.
Lmao the steam deck is better as it has more buttons and you can comfortably play key board only games
@@GamingIntelCoreM-ybutthurt fanboy much?
@@Emiichocothe steam deck is better in terms of controls, but this is better for portability.
But your comment saying they're butthurt is simply childish and untrue
@@rudeskalamander idk he seems pretty butthurt
out of all the handhelds thats being released recently, the Win4 is still top on my list. is such an amazing little device
I just got mine and it is incredible. Build, heat, battery, performance. It's just hands down the best.
@@Sereous313 Where did u get urs?
@@Sereous313 I’d like to know where you got it as well, is what you used to get it reliable?
I've refunded the second I've heard about the win mini 😅 I got the original win max and I would love the idea of a more powerful mini version of it ❣️🙏
@@burgulize i decided to opt out of the mini 2024 purchase after finding out it does not include a occulink port. ADT-link has Oculink encolusres and boards now
It would be interesting to see a "desktop replacement" test done with this when docked. Tests like thermals over using it as a windows desktop for lite work all day, or when gaming for a few hours (exceeding its typical use on battery)
I just wrote that in a stand alone comment, yes, that would be very interesting. Especially temperatures if it´s connected to the wall (power) for a longer period of time, I bet it could handle most mundane tasks like internet browing/TH-cam/emails etc. flawlessly, 60 fps on popular non triple A titles should be within reach at 1080p. Need a review.
Phawkx channel did it maybe
Yup, I ended up preordering one for this reason. I'd love for this to replace my personal dev box.. Since all of my workstations have thunderbolt/usb docks.
I just came here to comment this. Curious if something like this would be a good everyday computer
I love the form factor of this thing. Especially that keyboard.
A modern take on the old Sony Vaio handheld.
I can't believe we've come this far in mobile tech. It's what as a kid I could only dream of, and now it's here.
As a kid I used to dream of having a Sony Vaio UX, OQO or some other UMPC. Even now I can still only dream of having a handheld PC because of how expensive they are, though I do have a HP Stream 7 which I bought back in 2015
@@Pasi123 I loved my Stream 7! To this day the smallest Windows tablet I’ve ever seen. Ran great on Windows 8, but was barely usable on Windows 10…
@@JoeyPerleoni I still have Win8.1 on mine but sadly the support ended just recently.
I'd say the most annoying things about the Stream 7 are: only one microUSB port and no separate charging port, only 1GB RAM and 32GB eMMC, and no other input methods than the touchscreen.
I love the fact that the Steam 7 can be charged from a normal cheap power back or even from a PC USB port but a dedicated charging port would have been a nice addition so that it would be possible to use a USB hub while charging the tablet.
The tablet also needs a working battery to even boot so if/when the battery dies the tablet won't boot even when connected to a charger. I'm not sure if a separate charging port would have made it possible to use it even without a battery like how it's on most laptops.
Some other cheap Windows tablets also had a microHDMI port which would have been nice to have too.
1GB RAM was already really low when the tablet was new so an Atom Z3735F with 2GB RAM would have been nice. 32GB storage is also low for desktop Windows but tbh most more expensive Android tablets still had 16GB storage, heck even the iPad Pro 2015 had 32GB on the base model and unlike the Steam 7 it didn't have a memory card slot.
And for the input methods I think a small trackpad and mouse buttons next to the display would have been nice (like on a HTC Shift) but those are more of UMPC features.
Something similar to the Surface Pen would have been nice but that obviously would have been too expensive.
Some small (official) qwerty keyboard case would have been nice too.
To this day the Steam 7 is still the smallest PC that I have and the only one that can be charged with any USB charger or power bank.
It can even run BioShock (2007) although at quite low frame rate
Edit: I completely forgot the 32bit EFI which makes it impossible to run 64bit Windows on it. But that's the same on every Bay-Trail tablet.
Linux 64bit works though because it doesn't require a 64bit EFI.
As a kid this is what I wanted instead of modern smartphones. Not only the hardware but also full fledged PC OS support. You could use some UI mode and use it as a phone.
GPD nailed it this time. From form factor, to design (big F to Sony), to speaker, to performance, to eGPU support. Man if only I have unlimited amount of money.
GPD's Win series and the Steam Deck make me excited for what competition in this space could push out.
At the same time, the constant iterations is the biggest thing keeping me out of getting a handheld gaming PC - it’s moving so fast and each one getting better than the last, which is normally a good thing, but means it’s always going to be a case of “yeah but if I wait six more months there’ll be something better”.
The switch looking more and more like a joke everyday XD
@@Blinkxys tbf the switch isn't even competing. it's its own product. these handhelds have the same form factor of the switch, but that's basically all they have in common
@@miscl_anon Except that most the Switch can do, they can do as well. Switch Emulation works quite well on Windows and Linux, the only thing you really loose is some online capabilities.
@@overlordmarkus That ignores the market the Switch is aiming for, though. Most people who are buying something like a Switch aren't, in fact, computer geeks who are wanting to homebrew and run emulators and all of that: it's children or their parents, looking for a simple and cheap gaming system they can use without having to do a lot of their own configuration.
A base model of one of these costs about the same as buying 3 Switches, so there's the costs there. There's multiplayer on a single system, where in this unit's case you'd have to buy a second controller where there's a lot of Switch games that can use the split joycons. There's the usual idiosyncrasies of configuring games in Windows, and the still to this day spotty controller support in PC versions of a lot of games, and so on and so forth.
it's the classic console situation: even when they're weaker, they have their own suite of advantages that let them appeal to a broader market in general.
Another great thing you didn't mention: this thing has "backpacks". It ha snotches next to the air vents so you can hook up a LTE module or other stuff they come up with.
I'm sorry to be that guy, but snotches is my new favorite word.
Also, the backpacks sound cool
hehe. snotches
Finally, a handheld that actually met my two expectations, small and fairly powerful.
Ill wait for the oled version
Thirdly, keyboard, regardless of how shitty it may be, it will still be infinitely better than a touch screen keyboard.
Not worth it.
Piece of junk. 2 hour battery life out of box means it will drop to like 1.5 hours of battery life after some basic usage.
Battery technology is not up to par to run a device like this. What is the point of a "hand held" computer that has to be plugged in to change every 70 minutes?
@@chinbosschinboss2484 1.5 hours is long enough for me. Usually there is an outlet or Ill have my large portable battery with me.
@@chinbosschinboss2484 I found a steam deck fan
You can always tell when Linus hosting becomes an afterthought and begins gaming. Always the greatest sign of Linus endorsement
The GPD Win 4 looks friggin' awesome.
Nintendo has become obsolete
@@akawhut lol ok
@@SRC267 Don't entirely agree with the other dude... but you can emulate anything in the switch's library on this thing and/or run its native Windows version, which not even the Steamdeck can as reliably do.
@@Ivan-fy3pr sure, but it won't reach mainstream levels like the Switch.
@@SRC267 I don't see how that has anything to do with... anything.
Now THIS is a step in the right direction. I enjoyed one of the older models thanks to its portable (as in actually fits in your pocket) clamshell design, but have been disinterested in most of the recent handheld PCs of late due to their huge size.
While this might still be a little too big for my personal tastes, it still has an impressive amount of power while still being fairly small. I could see myself using this.
I don't think u can get something smaller, that's pretty much a phone with a estereoscopic controller
@@nicolasmfa Im sure in another 5-10 years it will surely be possible to get that performance smaller. But at the same time I feel like these companies would rather increase the power of the device instead of making it more compact
@@cubalibre-5238 there its some compact device's rn, but at tops they can only run android and run GC emulation
As a steam deck owner, this thing is awesome, and there's lots of things I prefer about it over the deck. The killer feature of the deck though really keeps coming back to price. For a starting price of literally half the amount, it's hard to fault the deck for some of it's shortcomings compared to this device. That said, still a really cool portable, especially given the performance it offers, but I also wouldn't have considered a steam deck at all if it started anywhere close to $800.
yup, it's great though to see different implementations for specific purposes and people. Competition in this space will help it explode for sure.
also valves customer support andthe touhpads, some may find them useless but for casual fps gaming it's leagues above an analog stick
or for games that benefit from a mouse cursor
I can play bejeweled 2 and zuma for example then play halo ce or master chief collection
then play racing games
and the price
just wish it had thunderbolt
a lot of people don't like the screen of the deck but it actually looks fine to me and the lower resolution makes it easier to run games
I want this gpd I just wish it was cheaper
@BlackSn0wz that will never happen. Value can afford to sell the deck at loss while other companies cannot afford to.
For some games (that have text to read) I find the Steam Deck already borderline on the screen size. This would be unplayable for those sorts of games (for me) lol
Valve subsidizes their hardware with software sales. If valve is making any kind of net profit on the steam deck hardware sales, I can't imagine it's more than 1%. They're hoping to get a kind of customer into their store that they've never had before, the console gamer.
Watching Linus have a geekgasam for 14+ minutes straight is pretty fun.
please dont use "geekgasm" ever again 😂
@@hellothere8825 “dorkasm “.
Such a ridiculous well made and over the top consumer grade handheld. Not backed by some greedy big corp like Nintendont or even Steam/Valve? Running Win10 and literately the screen and joysticks being the parts that is the key parts that seems to not be over the top good? Just... Mediocre? Epic execution of a product. Honestly. It even have good run at competing with a desktop PC.
Why does Linus sound so high 💀💀💀
Because he is
I'm glad they went for 1080p. Perfect balance of FPS vs PPI for a screen this size.
The GPD Win 4 is awesome! Would love to see Anthony test emulators on this.
There’s some really good videos out there already showing it
Given it's running Windows I assume dosbox would work no problem, that a XP and 98se virtual machine would end my plan to wait for SteamDeck 2
@@shnoo8900 Yeah this thing can easily do PS3 and Wii-U. But it's gonna suck that battery like a mofo. I'm really looking forward to the I3 versions of the Ayn and Ayaneo devices.
Check out The Phawx or ETA Prime's videos on the Win 4; you'll definitely see some emulation showcases there. I recommend also following The Phawx because he's doing proper tests on it and has some videos highlighting potential to min/max it (adjusting the power consumption to yield better battery life at same or similar performance to stock settings).
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz oh same for me. This GPD is super cool and got me really interested but I honestly think it's best to wait for a Steam Deck 2
This thing reminds me a ton of the old Sony Vaio UMPCs from like, 2006, but in a Vita-type format for games. Absolutely love how this looks as somebody who thinks the Steam Deck is way too big for me to want one.
You should see the last gen, the "3". It's essentially an exact replica of the Vaio.
Ps vita + oqo 2 .. win 3 ps vita + Ux series
This looks like it could be a really big success in the handheld pc space. I'd like to see how well this would do with Steam OS installed as well.
no touchpads... not worth bothering.
@@jakedill1304 True, love them touchpads on the steamdeck.
@@mariocollisionmaker you know I never really understood the steam controller until just a little bit ago when I was trying to figure out a solution to make a controller playable.. they used to be all sorts of cool peripherals out there.. it's amazing how many of them don't exist anymore and they don't even try.. when I originally saw the steam controller I was just like well it's just an upside down controller what's the point I didn't realize what it actually was and what it was actually doing.. now all I think of is.. gosh darn it that was that was a really cool idea.. and I'm really glad that they brought that over with the steam deck.. it kills me that the other tiny PC companies don't even bother trying.. and nobody even brings it up like it's a problem, it's so normalized this dual analog time loop we've lived in for 20 years.
my question I haven't used a steam deck cuz I just I don't really have a use for that but, have they actually smoothed out the touchpads cuz if I remember correctly from what I read the steam controller had problems with its touchpads the way that they implemented it.. there were solutions that you could have easily done if they had a second iteration if people had had just wholeheartedly rejected it.. but they didn't so now that they've kind of do I wonder if they've actually solved some of the problems with it?
Cracks me up how much valve used to be the champion of Microsoft, like the entire game of half life was incepted out of a proof of concept that DirectX could actually do the things and better then even a bare metal at the time.. and just over the years it's just been that realization.. like they're not on your side anymore, they're not trying to help you do cool things.. they want you to do their things and they want you to be happy.. and I guess they don't realize that they don't have a cult like Apple.
You can tell Linus in this video really is excited about this handheld its like watching him re-live his younger day opening a christmas gift.
I think he is Just drunk
@@lodomir5519fr he had a lil somethin that day
I think that's the first of those handheld PC that I would classify as a real alternative to the Steam Deck. It's expensive, but I think for once, you actually get more than the Deck and not less.
The GPD Win 3 was underpowered compared to the Steam Deck, while having worst battery life and being double the price, same thing for the Aya Neo Next. The Neo Air is also underpowered and more expensive, but it also has a great OLED screen, so it's a sacrifice if you prefer performance or screen quality and size. The Anbernic Win600 is the only one that also runs Steam OS and is around the price of the Deck, which is great, but it also uses an Athlon APU, so it even has difficulties running games like Ori at a constant 30 FPS. There are also the odd ones like the OneXPlayer that have basically the same problems.
WIth the GPD Win 4, the Ayn Loki / Loki Max, the Aya Neo 2 and probably others I'm forgetting, it's really cool to finally see some real competition and what Valve will do in response (not that I expect a major update to the Steam Deck in the next year, we'll probably get one with a slightly better screen, better battery life and things like that, but I don't see them abandonning their custom APU after only a year)
One of the best things Steam Deck did was to lower the market price for all handheld PCs. Before it, these things went for $1200+ easily. Now it looks like the companies making these have to aim for better performance and more reasonable profit margines. I just hope they can improve battery life further down the line.
Thanks AMD for that 6800U😎
Aya Neo is far ahead of a steam deck in terms of a handheld pc so I don’t know why you even use a deck as comparison lol. I have both aya Neo next and a deck . Aya Neo is a much better device. The gpd doesn’t deserve to be compared to a deck. Compare it with aya Neo or a next player
@@droo3010 mb for you, the next does have a better cpu but worse gpu, compared to the steam deck, ergonomics heard they were fine for the most part, but bear in mind, the steam deck is a handheld that starts from 400-600 while the next still being a more expensive one. Gpd win 4 is also undobtly one of most feature pack/compact handhelds out there therefore i dont quite trust gpd as a company. Now i can say other aya neo devices like the geek or 2, and with upcoming next 2 those are nice.
@@asunavk69 the screen on aya is also much better . And the aya runs games much better than the deck . The deck could barely run any other than steam games smooth. But the screen is as horrible to look at compared to the Neo. And the frame rates on Neo was better. I really was disappointed on the deck after owning a Neo since it’s so big like a brick and couldn’t play many of the games I play . Btw . And for calling it a handheld pc is kinda disappointing when it’s only good with Linux which is so limited for me
From cherry trail to rdna2. The progress of handheld PCs is freaking crazy. Can't wait to see how they progress further.
PCs* no apostrophe
lmao imagine in 10 years we have handhelds as powerful as I9 + 4090
Although I'm a hardcore PC enthusiast, I'm kinda liking these stuff and if they continue to become this good to the point that they can easily push modern games at 1080p 60fps I might actually buy one even if it is $1k
It just goes to show that we don't really need lumbering towers anymore. The only advantage that they have now is cooling so you can get more performance out of it but the fact that you can plug in external components such as storage/gpus and power as well as stream it on a bigger TV screen, kind of kills whatever advantage PC towers had.
It's $3500
@@wanderingbufoon I wouldn't go that far personally, to suggest that traditional desktop PCs are obsolete is a bit of a stretch, especially considering this thing is typically at least $2000. Not to mention the issues that come with egpus and other external components and being hardware bound by this handheld. Handhelds are great and they are probably going to become the preferred method of gaming in the future, but I think that's still many years away.
@wanderingbufoon you can literally build a ultra compact pc with zero performance compromises. People build large pc for aesthetics. We have seen gaming laptops for decades
@@wanderingbufoon idk.....being able to swap out parts and easily upgrade is a huge bonus over these devices that are basically handheld consoles. I love these handhelds but theyre not close to beating out beast pcs
not everyday you get to see Linus be so impressed and have such little complaints.
pretty neat. you should do a video where you install Steam OS on a few of these devices and compare it windows on each one, I'd love to see how they all size up in a SteamOS vs Windows line up
Fwiw, ThePhawx already has (possibly ETA Prime as well?). He reports tag everything worked out of the box except the fingerprint reader. That plus the fact that it's easily user-serviceable (GPD's official TH-cam shows you how to get upgrade the SSD) has me looking at this really longingly, even though I love my Deck.
I certainly can't jump on the roughly $1600 asking tier for the top-range model, but seeing this makes me very happy that I didn't buy a steam deck yet. Like many others have already expressed, it's crazy how far handhelds have come.
One x player 2 is better my brother
@@rodericktaylor8919 I'll have to look into it, thanks for letting me know.
The top model is $1199 during the campaign....
@@jollyrancherchick It's $1600 CAD bud... There are other currencies besides USD ya know.
@@rodericktaylor8919 th-cam.com/video/uadSTqU28gI/w-d-xo.html
I seem to remember that part of the goal for valve was not only to have a successful product but to encourage a market of successful products similar to the deck. It seems like with this it's starting to indicate that they were successful on both accounts. I mean they win either way if somebody's using steam on one of these or on their steam deck.
Well, this is the 4th iteration of their product. They’ve been doing this long before the steam deck even existed.
Quite the opposite... It's actually GPD who encouraged everyone on the handheld PC markets and not the other way around.
Valve only announced Steam Deck on 2021. Meanwhile GPD distributed its first handheld PC way back in 2016.
Give proper credit where it's due man...
@@xlDon2lx With that logic, Valve was trying bespoke gaming machines for PC configurations before even GPD Win in 2015, with Steam Machines. They even attempted to apply the same marketing and developing methods as GPUs- where a base model is made and then licensed out to other companies- so I mean... Where it begins is a little hazy, so while it's fair to say GPD was on the actual *handheld* part first, Valve followed their suit with intent to stir it up some more after they failed the smaller niche project. GPD also started on Indiegogo crowd sourcing, so it's probably more of Valve encouraging this "small company" to keep going by throwing their hat in. But who knows, picking this apart isn't too productive.
Gpd has been making these since like 2018 or 19, I remember being interested in the first one when I saw a video of someone playing Fallout 3 on one.
@@xlDon2lx GPD gains nothing from more market competition... VALVE does
Add the Steam OS and I'm good with this....
Its possible
You can run this easily
Based on what they said when the deck came out i doubt it'll happen officially, they seem dead set on windows
@@rvmiv_ shouldn't you be able to install whatever OS you want though because, like the Steam Deck, it's literally just a computer? Valve either had already or is going to make the SteamOS available to download for use on any device.
@@eugene1640 yeah, but Destiny 2 isn't 🤣
He must be recovering from an illness because the "Shaggy" voice seemed pretty strong in this video, especially when he got excited.
I'd love to see Linus order all these handheld gaming PCs into a tier list :D
that would be awesome, especially if he is taking into account price, as it gives great cheaper options (most likely steamdeck) and super expensive options for the rich gamer.
We definitely need a GPD WIN 4 as a desktop replacement video
It is really good to see they stepped their game up after the steam deck.
Not the same company
5:05 Those camera angle changes with snaps were fun. I love the little touches like that - great job, editors!
It is crazy they managed to fit like 4 inputs backlights and that sliding mechanism in such a small device.
i've just purchased the new 2023 version which has a 7840u instead of the 6800u,
64 gigs of ram, yes SIXTY FOUR gigs, and 4TB SDD.
its a replacement for my ancient and archaic GPD Win 1 with 4 gigs of ram,
windows 11 takes up half the ram, through sheer willpower i managed to get Baldur's Gate 3 running at a painful 5FPS :P
so looking forward to playing modern games on the go again!
That battery made me lol. It was inevitable that something faster than Steam Deck would appear but since the price is pretty high it's great that all these options exist in this market.
At least it competes with Steamdecks 512GB version. But still gets laughed anyway.
Lets wait for 7840U editions. I gotta take a bite on that Radeon 780M on handhelds
Not worth it.
Piece of junk. 2 hour battery life out of box means it will drop to like 1.5 hours of battery life after some basic usage.
Battery technology is not up to par to run a device like this. What is the point of a "hand held" computer that has to be plugged in to change every 70 minutes?
@@chinbosschinboss2484 If you lower the TDP, you can get way more than that, and still play some decent games. Also, compared to the Steam Deck you can get a 2280 SSD for half the price than 2230, so there's that value. It's not so much more expensive than the top tier Steam Deck.
@jondasek while I agree the built in ssd is very nice I still haven't actually been upset with my ssd size after using the deck for almost a year. You can just get a microsd and there's not a real noticeable speed issue. Also I personally like labeling cards with the game they have and then plugging them in like using a Nintendo DS back in the day lol
That short circuit pc setup in the back is looking more an more awesome every timer I see it... Oh and that hand held is pretty sick...
What case is that!?!?!?
@Chris Bryson th-cam.com/video/KlaYXrH0MJg/w-d-xo.html from this video.
Its the maingear mg-1, when Shroud bought into Maingear, they sent LTT the pc with some different swappable front plates
Yeah it looks nice
That display sliding mechanism really looks a lot like the one on the HTC Dream 😍that phone was a damn tank
The most interesting thing is that it won’t look ridiculous on public transportation ahah
The steam deck is really too gigantic
why take that on public transport, u tryna get robbed?
@@realtalk1310 i don't know there, but in my zone it's safe, luckily we're free to do such things, very few robberies
@@piereligio_ds Where u live at? Japan?
@@realtalk1310 Italy, but it's one of the safer regions
@@realtalk1310 Most phones are worth more than that and people don't just snatch it from you.
makes me nostalgic for my old SideKick Slide, I loved that thing back in the day, It even had a browser and games on it
Exactly what I thought about when I seen the slide
What a wonderful time we live in. I hope they make a bigger version too. That thing would also be amazing to do serious office work. The envy of the office.
Just get the win max 2
Their mouse/joystick swich is I believe hardware-level (so like, two different sets of code on their joystick controller). It's honestly excellent.
I'm more of a Win Max guy. But this shows they had come such a long way.
Put an OLED screen on it, SteamOS, and you'll have me wanting to buy it.... in about 2 years when my steam deck is older. That keyboard and form factor look amazing!
An OLED is going to annihilate the already-stretched battery, and you can already put Linux (and probably, explicitly, HoloISO) on it.
For me baby-hands Linus saying the ergonomics were incredible pretty much ruins it for me and my gigantic paws. 😔 If GPD does a follow-up in the same gen with the exact same hardware but a larger form factor, I don't think I could resist buying one, and I *love* my Deck.
@@GSBarlev steam os works on it as per taki and other reviewers have shown. assume there will be some follow up since the gpd win 3 was this but more lame
Tbh you getting free windows in here which in itself is a value, you can switch to Steam OS for free, so will rather have windows and do dual boot on this! Switch emulation works wonders in this
GPD tend to iterate new versions of their hardware every couple of years so by the time you're ready to buy, there might be something even more powerful on offer.
I've been following this mobile pc scene for a while now but this is the first unit that actually excites me and makes me want to purchase this. $800 isn't even that much for what this thing offers imo. In fact, I was surprised the price didn't start far higher.
it was about 1200 a couple weeks ago
Agreed. This is the first one of these devices that had everything I wanted at the proper price. Plus it uses full size m.2 drives, so I can throw in a 4tb ssd.
@@cactusmanbwl1990 The manufacturer of their default SSDs is apparently looking from comments on indiegogo page for Win 3 pretty shitty, so if you and or me get it, probably replace it with Samsung/Kingston something recent without shadow changed hardware.
The mobile pc handleheld/game types been out for some time.. Only real issue is price/quality control.. build quality will vary and refunds are hard to get. I wouldn't risk the price, only if you know how to repair and can afford it lol. Lot of which is hard to tell a part, as there are plenty of "copy" builds of each other, as the original is lost in all that mess, when you shop direct from china like aliex/baba, etc.
And also how safe is it? what sort of key loggers are installed? that people are unaware of? virus scanners arent really made to pick up "unknown" special ones, custom virus's. I'd probably only keep for gaming with no CCredit cards or extra logins. Thats like having a extra dummy PC just for pirating games.
Not worth it.
Piece of junk. 2 hour battery life out of box means it will drop to like 1.5 hours of battery life after some basic usage.
Battery technology is not up to par to run a device like this. What is the point of a "hand held" computer that has to be plugged in to change every 70 minutes?
GPD were already killing it with their previous products and now they are here to kill even harder! And I love it!
I love that they're still around
As an owner of an xd and xd plus that’s never actually used then, yeah, they’re great….. 😭😭
the GPD 3 was pretty bad, and the were bitching about the steam deck a lot, but i love the GPD XP and now the GPD 4 seems great
I always thought it would be cool if the docks for these had some kind of cooling improvement, like an additional fan or something. So you get better / quieter performance in 'desktop' mode.
The GPD's cooling system is already the best out of all the devices of that kind. It runs in the 50 degrees celcius while gaming. The Deck by comparison goes in the 70.
True, that would be amazing, but I've found that with my experience with the GPD Win 2, a simple desk fan is more than adequate to supplement cooling. I actually used a wire mesh phone stand to keep it vertical with a small desk fan behind it whenever I wanted to run more stressful titles like Fallout 76. I've noticed that most "laptop cooling pads" tend to use extremely weak fans for some reason, so I doubt that it would even work well if they made an all in one solution. You are probably better off buying a cheap desk fan and calling it a day.
additional fan is a useless gimmick, it wouldn't cool anything unless direct contact with heat pipe.
It must be absolutely maddening to deal with Linus getting sucked into a game. I'm glad the editors have all agreed to make sure we see that.
One thing a portable gaming device have to have is a good suspend and resume mode so you can just suspend the whole system with a button and then resume the game exactly from where you left it. Steam os does this really well and my experience with Windows sleep in games have been very spotty.
Set the power button to hibernate. Done.
This model finally got me to "want one" but definitely going to wait for hall effect sticks and OLED. Other than that this has it all.
They won't be doing OLED ever, GPD does not do this
@@-pROvAKany reason why?
Don't really care that much for the sticks but the display is something that I do care about a *lot*
@@-pROvAK They will do it if Steam deck or some other competitor successfully does an OLED one.
Who cares about hall effect sticks. What in the actual f.. are you doing to ur controllers if they break. Aaand no, dont give me some accuracy bs
The fact that we're getting a Ryzen 7840U version next week is making me more tempted to buy it soon
This really brings back memories of the Sony VAIO UMPC from like 2006, would love a video on that one, never had the money for one (as I was 15 years old only haha)
It's a new Vaio UX
totally! or OQO
You should look at their previous version, win 3. Nearly identical to a Sony ux Umpc. They're taking "inspiration" from Sony to the next level.
That's pretty sick! Not ready to buy one yet so if the next one is OLED and has the better sticks then I'd be all in! The slide screen and keyboard are really tempting though, if I hadn't just had to buy a car I would probably get this, love the chonky Vita looks too!
I'm so in love with this one. I really want a realistically portable handheld PC, something much more compact than the Steam Deck, but it's going to be a few years before I can justify the expense. But damn do I hope something with this form factor is around then. Especially the lanyard/wrist strap attachment point. I don't understand why they're not standard, I wouldn't want to drop that on the concrete train platform during my commute 😬
With the tech industry going how it has been. I would guess no longer than a decade till the fully functional and practical hand held pc market will up and running.
Would really like to see a video comparing all of these new handheld devices (Onexplayer 2, Ayaneo 2, gpd win 4, etc)
Droix has one. They just posted it the other day.
@@bernardorozewicz4325 Thanks didn't know they had a youtube channel.
I remember back in 2009 when the rumors in the internet for the next psp go looked like this.and I'm happy I'm alive to see this hardware come to fruition
I've had the Win 3 for a while now and i LOVE it. I can only imagine what the 4 will be like.
GPD is awesome, got a Pocket 3 and the packaging is incredible, and from what I've seen they just get better
This looks perfect for a travel setup. Like perfect for gaming when in transit and then setting up with an external monitor and mouse and keyboard for a mobile gaming setup. Perfect for on the road with the power to back it up. Exactly what I’ve been looking for
Look, I have to be honest. This is the first time I've looked at my Steam Deck and wished I'd waited for something better to come along. This solves ALL of my problems with it, function and form factor wise. If I hadn't bought the SD already, I'd buy this. As it is, an OLED screen and HALL effect joysticks might still get me to buy the next iteration...
It feels like the makers of this thing made it as much for themselves as they did other people that is awesome!!
This thing is a beast, I am excited to see where we are headed. We have gaming rigs in the size of a VITA, if someone gets VR running off it would be amazing.
havent you heard?? theres already Pimax making a VR headset that combines with a handheld machine. (the handheld goes into the HMD) .. i forgot its name but its in the works and theres a video about it.
4:17 - Why do people with long floppy hair continually flick it behind their ears, only to look down again so the floppy locks flop about again? It's like wiping your lips only to dribble again.
One thing you didin't mentioned is the dual channel RAM, probably increases a lot the performance.
DDR5 dual channel actually is quad channel.
The next big thing will be the handheld with the New AMD 7040 APUs with Zen4 CPU cores and 12 RDNA3 CUs
I'm still sad they dropped Phoenix from 16 CU's back down to 12. :(
Yes, 16 CU‘s would’ve been so amazing!
I don’t even care about a higher price or a bit more power draw, 16CU‘s in a mobile PC would be such an amazing thing!
Since I usually play my handhelds at home, in the car, the train or plane theres always a charger near.
I’d never sit in a Forrest with a handheld and if I ever would I’d just take my steamdeck and play things like portal with 6w power draw..
@@rolux4853 ngl, I'd bring a portable solar panel if that's what it took. in reference to the camping in the woods example.
It was a wise decision to go down to 12 CUs. If they even thought about using 16 at all!
For 16 CUs you need power! Even the 6800U needs at least 40 W to release it's nearly full potential. Don't get me started with 16!
Even 8 cores are overkill. Especially with Zen4 4C/8T should be really fine. Of course using it as a desktop those 8C/16T are nice bit still a bit overkill.
So what now? Going up to 40 W is heavy. I don't even know how high the GPD Win4 can go. But 40 W would need a heavy bulky device. I mind the weight of the Steam Deck but it shouldn't go higher IMO.
@@Megalomaniakaal if size or heat is the issue, they could've sacrificed cpu cores for CUs. We only need 6 cpus at most, even 4 of zen 4s are fine. 16CU would've made it carved its own niche in the laptop space.
The screen raising up for neck comfort is the highlight.
This year is going to be GREAT for handhelds, Ayaneo, Ayn, just.. wow.
2022 was awesome too! Got us the Odin, the Steamdeck. I'm excited!
don't forget the much anticipated Logitech G Cloud
@@unseeninja 🤣
Love the slide out keyboard, reminds me of the Sony umpc that I used to covet back in the day.
The GPD Win 3 actually looks like the Sony you are referring to.
I'm SO very disappointed in Linus and the team for not comparing the keyboard to the T-Mobile G1/HTC Dream.
Also, I can't help but think that the Win 4 supporting a 2280 M.2 is a bit of flexing on Valve.
Nice! It reminds me of those old Windows XP, Transmeta powered handheld computers.
I'm loving the development of cheap-isch, accessible handheld PC gaming devices.
The Steam Deck has changed how I play games, and I'm very interested in seeing how this market develops as we get more and more efficient APUs
This showcase felt like I was watching a cooking video while hungry. Man, I just can't wait to see what tech may rise up throughout these upcoming years.
I'm in and out of the hospital a lot and have wanted an affordable handheld option to keep me company, I'm so glad to see it become a reality. Now the only tricky part is picking the right one, but I'm really liking this one.
Did u say affordable lol? Still quite expensive. The 799$ is for the base one the one in the video is 1200$
@@erikleblanc4539 it’s cheaper than a iphone and iPad.
@@oo--7714 which is also laughably overpriced
@@oo--7714 have iPad prices gone up? I didn't pay anything near the baseline from my iPad mini when it was new.
Hope your health Improves 🙏🙏 i got a Ayaneo a few months ago, I use my gaming pc only to edit now lmao
This looks awesome, I do like size. I’m still not one to buy these but this one is a lot more tempting than the other iterations 👀
My steam deck broke a couple days ago. I'm trying to re-image it as we speak. But the win 4 has looked VERY tempting for a couple years now....
I'm looking at this the same way I looked at my steam deck the first time. I refuse to part with my steam deck(512gb) I still think it's incredibly powerful for what it is and I don't mind the res drop, but this is superior in almost every way. I hope this product gets fine tuned a little more but I will certainly be buying one!
It is not superior in every way...
@@Dakeyras83 That was a little bit of an exaggeration. Obviously some things about the steam deck are better, but this is at least better in terms of raw performance and IO.
@@mattster7412 Don't worry, the Win 5 will be announced as the Win 4 starts shipping. The Ayeneo Next 2 Pro is another contender, they're almost done with their kickstarter for the Ayeneo Next 2.
I have (and still do) quite a few of GPD's devices. I have always been impressed with the hardware. I still use the ORIGINAL GPD Pocket when doing field work. The battery is getting a bit long in the tooth, but otherwise it's rock solid. The GPD XP and GPD XD are my two favorite emulator style devices (8-16bit primarily).
7:00 it digimorphed from vita to sony ericsson
I know I say this most of the time, but this hand held looks great, I'm really tempted to get it, but then I remind myself I have no use cases for mobile gaming like this
Damn, I want a GPD product. They all seem so cool.
Same here
Watching this gave me that feeling you feel when you're a kid witnessing like a brand new release Gameboy commercial and being so excited that it literally hurts that you cant have it immediately. I almost had to stop watching numerous times, then you pulled out the flip down keyboard---oh!---ah!----ma heart ! ❤️ its too much anxiety for one video
I've been a huge fan of handheld gaming technology since 6 year old Me got my first Gameboy and was just frozen in astonishment such a thing existed , you can imagine how the last 30 years have been for my inner child
I've been waiting for this one for a while now. As a huge fan of the SteamDeck, I don't think I could give up the Steam OS environment, plus the touchpads and back buttons. Those alone are a huge deal for me. But I'm just excited we're finally getting more portable PCs that really pack a good amount of power.
A couple months ago I did order the Win 4 since its exactly what I am looking for. But I agree with you. I am happy that actual competition to the steam deck is coming out and that the higher price is also brining more/better features above and beyond what the steam deck already supplies. This makes me excited for Steam Deck 2
Good news, this supports steam os
It runs steam os flawlessly. Soooooo
@@-Cesh-They need more affordable competition tbh. If steam goes all in on the next one it will probably blow everything out of the water and still be affordable.
Linus was really into this device. I'm genuinely interested because of his enthusiasm.
Coming next week Linus, supercools and overclocks the GPD Win 4 and upgrade ips to OLED... LMAO
This is actually really amazing. Great job on their part. Holy crap the amount of shit they crammed in there. Steam Deck has got some competition!!!
There are a ton of handheld PC coming out but there is one thing the Deck will always have an advantage with. The price. Since Valve makes money from games they can price the device really low.
I doubt it will be real competitor. Performance-wise Win4 is better option, but deck is a lot cheaper, easy to fix, have trackpads and huge community support.
@@rincewindthewizzard6594 Speaking strictly in terms of definition it can be a competitor but for different reasons. Someone who wants something smaller than the Deck with more features would certainly be looking at the GPD4. That's what happened to me. What the GPD4 is not is a Steamdeck killer. It's made for those who want something else than a Deck.
Its worth noting that the specs on the video are not the specs of the $800 base model. That comes with 16GB ram and a modest 512GB SSD rather than the 32GB Ram 2TB SSD shown in the video. That will likely cost at least $1,200 just because the memory and SSD costs.
Its just a difficult price point for gaming at 1080p low settings on most modern games and has very poor chances of keeping up playable performance with new games a year or two at most.
@@chamoo232 Deck is not shipping worldwide. This one is. And I sure am finding GPD 4 more appealing. Can't wait to see if GPD 5 somehow has a d-gpu
It'd be cool to have a transparent bezel all around the device with RGB smart edge lighting.
Lol no
Love how he totaly forgot about the little thing called "FULL KEYBOARD"
A version sacrificing the physical keyboard for a better battery time or cooling would be nice too..
No. No it won't.
@@adultinggamer I for 1 couldn't give a fuck about the physical keyboard.
@@adultinggamer to each their own (:
@@adultinggamer If you only intend to use it for gaming whilst mobile then a keyboard-less variant would actually be very nice. They could either make the whole unit slimmer and lighter or use the extra space for better battery life and maybe even a bigger screen with smaller bezels. Being able to dock it and use an e-gpu means the keyboard would be useless at home since you A) wouldn't be able to access it and B) you could have a wireless KBM setup.
You'd be surprised how often I need to use a keyboard when using these kinds of devices. Also, very annoying when you need to type something but don't have a physical keyboard.
It's like combining a PSP with a Blackberry
New Linus skin and voice pack unlocked: Baked Basement wizard
There is a LTE module too ;) Some neat features
So it is a slider phone.
GPD is a real pioneer of these kinds of handheld gaming PC's. This new one looks like an awesome competitor to the deck.