Anyone that wants to get into race simming would know about this stuff already, LTT is not the place to learn about simming, none of their staff do any research or know anything about simming or sim hardware.
Cool stuff getting DD into a more affordable range and seeing them actually do a review from a user perspective. Otherwise we are currently still working on open source DIY options if you need something really customizable ;)
@@Bobbarker23455 Will might be making his name in sim racing specifically but it’s not like he’s ignorant of areas of tech beyond that, and shock horror he’s supportive of more mainstream coverage of this niche because that’s a good thing for himself and the community, wow 😅
3:15 Yes, that is an extrusion that was likely done on a 9" die, probably extruded in 50ft sections, then anodized black and sent to fabricating to be cut into the correct length and machined
I remember when they announced this on April 1 everyone thought they were joking about having a dd wheel at this price. I was so glad to hear they weren't kidding and I've been waiting patiently for this. Can't wait to upgrade form my g920!
The price they quoted was just the base, you'll also need a rim, pedals, desk mount, shifter/handbrake optional. The bare minimum viable setup is around 800$.
For the people not in the know: Fanatec played it amazingly, they kinda announced it April 1st, writing it in such a BS way that it really made you feel as if it just was a joke, calling it DD0.5, stating they used carbon fibre to reduce shipping weight... but all of the specs were true and confirmed not to be a joke a bit later. That was the biggest marketing mic drop I had seen in a long time. "This value/money may seem like a ridiculous joke, but we made it happen"
Great to see an average sim racer's first impression and reaction to this wheel base. You should probably clarify for people the actual cost is not $350, (that is just the wheel base). Pedals, wheel rim, quick release and desk clamp are all extra. So for this setup with 2 pedals it would be $760 USD + Tax and shipping. For us Canadians you can expect to pay $1270+Tax + shipping. To get this in Nova Scotia through the only official reseller it would be $1560 all in. Whether or not you feel that is worth it is entirely your personal choice, just trying manage peoples expectations here.
Yeah, i don't really understand how people are comparing this to either the g29 or t300. Never mind calling this a "budget" option. I got my t300 rs bundled with the t3pa pedals for 300€ while such a combination in fanatec world would cost me at least 800€.
I'm so happy LTT dips its toe into sim-racing every now and then. It really is a piece of tech that's advanced an extreme amount in the last 2-3 years, and ESPECIALLY gained popularity during covid for obvious reasons. Would love to see a video on modern sim-racing and how much its advanced over the years. Would probably make for an awesome video.
Late reply but can you explain a little how the tech has advanced? Do you mean how the price has come down and the higher end tech is more attainable for average sim enthusiasts?
As a sim racer who has this with the boost pack pre-ordered, I was interested and slightly worried what this review would be like. I must admit I think this a good quick review, with the key thing is unlike most reviews where the reviewer is a keen simracer who has a high torque DD wheel already, this is done by the casual person who has an entry/mid range wheel (Logitech/Thrustmaster which there is nothing wrong with either of those). Not only that but the review done on the table clamp and not a rig. So for people who are the more casual, where the price point is for this wheel base, it's fantastic to see something like this. One thing I will note, yes it is annoying with all the building of parts, however that is part of Fanatec's eco-system, so a lot of the items that required assembly they can be taken off and used for other parts or you can add more to it, like the clutch pedal that was mentioned, or a better responding brake pedal in the Load Cell kit
Thank you for this great video! You went very in-depth, even if it isn't a standard PC part, you took your time, explained the materials and built it. I was very sad in the way you LTT made the last "racing setup" video, so I'm very glad to see this video not holding back and really appreciating the product and paying attention to the things racing game fans would care about. This was really well done!
The setup process actually looks so much fun, I like that. Plus I love how customisable it is, this is the perfect budget entry into serious SIM racing
Budget remains relative, a full kit will still drain you in excess of 650 USD. 350 is the base only, you have to add 100 for the pedals and 200 for the wheel. Add up a few peripherals, upgrade the pedals, get a better rim with 6 speed manual shifter and you're soon to be 1400$ poorer.
@@EddieOtool compared to what fanatec used to charge for such kit and what a full set of top notch stuff is yeah it's still budget. It's not Logitech g29 cheap but it's bringing you into an ecosystem you can expand upon instead of a full set you have to throw away to upgrade
Got my CSL DD along with many peripherals from Fanatec about 1 month ago. Haven't had such a good time in driving games since back on gran Turismo on PS1 Would love more sim videos guys!
My brother has a Fanatec wheel and he had it calibrated wrong (edit: ok maybe not apparently). When I crashed in game, damn near felt like it was gonna dislocate my shoulder with how powerful it was.
Surely this is the next step in sim racing - realistic injuries! Next review will include Fanatec's flame-thrower to simulate those crashes where the fuel lines get torn.
This video actually convinced me to upgrade from my g920 to this. The whole kit with the wheel, the DD base, pedals, and clutch pedal was only $500 USD including shipping and taxes which IMO is a great value for what you're getting. I am keeping my logitech shifter for now and upgrading to a nicer one later down the road so i saved about $250 there.
My favorite thing about driving with flip flops is taking them off while I drive. I tried to drive with them on. That lasted about 15 seconds. Then I discovered, it's amazing driving barefoot. The amount of control uou feel is crazy you can feel the engine vibrating through the pedals. You can even grab the pedals with your toes. And you are hyper aware of your feet positioning because you can feel everything. Unlike when you are stomping around in shoes.
No one at LTT is a simmer or knows (or cares to know) anything about simming. They just get paid by sponsors to read marketing material and video tape it with their casual ideas and experience. Do yourself a favor and go sub to a real sim racing channel.
@@wandrinsheep That's literally what they did though, this video is fine if it's your first experience with simracing, but the LMG guys are really inexperienced in this field. It's not gatekeeping, it's closer to harm reduction. To get the best information, obviously the people running dedicated simracing channels are going to be better than a channel focused mainly on computers and random tech.
@@watersnortmoment3734 I don’t agree with this. I frequent sim racing subreddits and am always looking on how to improve my stuff and I know the channels your talking about for games as well as product reviews and love them all but none of them have even close to half the reach of LMG and if this can bring more people into sim racing I welcome it. This is the ultimate gatekeeping and it’s quite bad in the sim racing community.
I have been doing extra work on saturdays to finally get into sim racing with this here base. If everything goes according to plan everything will arrive at the start of my stay-in two weeks holliday. I'm sure it will be a great time.
The reason this is a great video is: I'm not into cars, I don't have a license, I don't care about driving, I hate driving games, but Jakes genuine enthusiasm makes me wanna play with this wheel!!! I've played Forza and this looks really fun!!
I know theres a lot of super detailed reviews on this wheel from the hardcore sim community, but I am very very happy to get an impression from someone who doesn't drive super high end gear on a daily basis. Naturally if you come from a DD2 you'll feel the CSL DD will be much weaker. But since they're directly comparing to something the average person is more likely to own, you get a less biased opinion.
I feel the same way, I was expecting a trainwreck but this video ended up being quite enjoyable in a different way than the hardcore sim racer channels. At the very least it looks like Jake fixed his FOV, which I was wondering if he was going to mention in the video. I kinda feel bad as one of the people giving him crap about it last time lol
@@Tarets biased as in being able to say "yea 5nm is as good or enough of an upgrade from a logitech" vs "you need a 8nm at minimum because I've used a DD1 and this is too weak"
@@zergslayer69 If you're upgrading from a csl elite you will notice that you're down on torque without the boost kit, but that's a little bit of a different market lmao
This with VR would be so amazing, I’m sure somehow has already mentioned that in the comments. But the thought of that just excites me, like an at home arcade machine
I have the Podium Racing Wheel F1 (DD1 included). Before that I had the Logitech G29. The difference in feel and performance is HUGE! But the price also.😏😂
You spent like what? 15-20x more? Guys please don't think this is a usual upgrade path lol (I don't mean this comment in a judgemental way, more in like a informative/disclaimer way. Actually I'm the type of guy that tells you that is worth to spend a lot of money on the things that make you happy)
@@kaledzarzar453 G29 is around 250 euro's had it for 5 years. The Podium Racing wheel with the DD1 1800 euro's and Pedals 600 euro's. So yeah 10x more expensive, so I understand that it is a big step in the budget . But hey, nothing is wrong with a lower tier of the fanatec products like the CLS DD what they are showing here, that's cheaper and evenly great! I could afford the expensive one, so I took the big jump and I never regret it and never gonna change it.😁
@@kaledzarzar453 You are incorrect, this is a very reasonable upgrade path, the amount of tech and power that legit sim hardware has is far beyond what the casual plastic toys are. Like comparing one of those plastic home phones from the late 90s to a modern smartphone.
@@BjörnV8X Damn, I completely forgot that the G29/920 is supposed to be that price, and that the launch price was €300 too, my mind had pre covid prices; around €180. And I was accounting for a rig too, I think decent ones can be found for as little as €350, because I can't think of someone using +6 Nm on a desk and load cell pedals on a regular (not bolted to anything rigid) chair, but if it works for the owner, then okay I guess. And as far as your setup is concerned, is very likely to still be high end tier for +5 years, so solid investment overall. And the user experience must be amazing, not too long ago I was able to test out the Simcube 2 Pro for about 20 mins (so I couldn't dial in the ffb to my preferences) and what an experience, it had so much detail that I remember feeling the difference in tyre flex between each side of the car (because the track had way more right turns than left turns, so the tires on the left got hotter before the ones on the right, hence the difference in tyre pressure and by extension sidewall stiffness), it was unbelievable. And the Heusinkveld pedals didn't disappoint either, they felt brilliant.
Literally same :D The secret is to just neck a couple of beers and you won't care about, what your wallet thinks about it. Getting it past your significant other is a whole other story though.
Considering most wheels for video games people have felt are between like 3 and 6 pounds and physically larger, it makes sense. And this is still the small one! The one I snagged earlier this year is about 35.
From the bottom of my heart, thank you, no really! - I have been watching so many reviews of this product, but you are the only one who truly showed emotions, and that tells me that i gotta get that old G27 to the fleemarket. Thank You.
@@Darklord_tK I daily a 2013 Ford Taurus limited. The biggest gotcha for those is the water pump. Which is run by the timing chain. New water pump, chain, guides, and tensioner and ~12hrs labor $2200
Takes me back to the 4-banks of Sega Rally Championship they used to have about 18 years ago. Had a huge amount of fun on those - drinking and driving was encouraged!
Short Circuit! So glad you actually weighed the beast.. I have a motion rig and weight is important to me. 11.2 pounds.. yep.. Thank you so much! DMAX motion sim ch
I started out with a Fanatec club sport wheelbase and pedals a couple of years ago, now I have an $11,000 sim racing setup. It's a rabbit hole to disappear down for sure once you get into this stuff, but so much fun!
When is comes to Sim Racing, especially to those that take is a full hobby to career, FANATEC is the best in the business!! I've owned FANATEC products since 2018 when the DD1 and DD2 debuted. The DD1 is still going strong and I've been convinced by this to get the CSL DD as my "on the road" rig!
I mean, the T300RS (2 pedals, wheel and base) is typically around $350. Getting Fanatec's cheapest full config for the CSL DD comes out to over $630 ($200 for a wheel with buttons, $350 for the base, $80 for the pedals, $30 for the table top mount). They really can't be compared to one another.
That's a total of 680, not 630. And you haven't counted the delivery price yet, which even within europe is 30-40€. Not to mention, for 350 you can get the top T300 edition with gorgeous Alcantara rim, while the Fanatec WRC is literally the cheapest flimsy rim you can choose. The motor is most important, obviously, but it's not the only factor that adds up to the enjoyment, so I agree this comparison makes zero sense.
@@Tarets it does make sense to get this over any of the more expensive thrustmaster wheels though. Like the TS-PC or TS-XW. Those are kind of obsolete now. And unless you absolutely need more than 8 Nm I think this might even be a better option than all other DD wheels out there...
Pretty much obody should buy the T300RS/GT when the T248 is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper (≈$250 vs ≈$350-$400) and comes with MUCH better 3x hall effect sensor pedals. 🤷 Sure, you lose a liiiittle bit of torque (≈3.5nm vs ≈4nm) but you save a bunch of money and the overall package is simply just better. Also, being a gear+belt hybrid drive vs the T300's dual-belt eliminates the "wishy-washy" feeling and difficulty to accurately create fine detail feedback that is endemic with pure belt motors. Aka the fine-grained feedback is better & clearer on the T248, athough it is definitely more notchy feeling than the T300 bc of said gear. And you can just barely feel the power difference between them (T300 just has that little bit more umph), although the wheel can't spin as fast as the T300 so it's definitely worse for drifting. 🤷
I really love the fanatec guys who produced and design the wheel I'm so glad I can buy this for about 500 bucks. Im going to upgrade to DD wheel and cannot find something at the same price lmao
Not really. The normal base costs $350. You can get their pedals for $70 and their cheapesty wheels start at $150 (although I think some are currently out of stock as they transitioning to the new line up. Hell, you could probably find one of their cheaper wheels used for ~$100. My buddy just bought a used CSL Elite w/ pedals and a P1 wheel for $400). So you can get a whole new Fanatec set for the mid $500's (or less if you don't mind used). I bought a new CSL Elite Starter set (w/ pedals and wheel) for $550 from Fantatec a couple of years ago. So while these guys cleary don't know much about the simracing world you very much can get a whole Fanatec set starting in the mid $500's if you have some patience/get lucky. And believe me it is more than worth it. You get A LOT more bang for you buck with something like the CSL DD than anything Logitech or Thrustmaster currently offers.
@@TheBrennanSchafer going of current Fanatec website prices(Europe), the setup 'as tested' costs €700, or $828usd. Before shipping, so probably nudging $850. Price in the review should as closely reflect the current price as possible, no used market, or getting lucky in a sale, etc. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ I used to love Fanatec wheels I've had three or four over the years. But the way they've moved I to pro-sumer has priced me out, for what is only a part time hobby. So I'd hate for someone to get their hopes up thinking what they're seeing is what they'd get for the quoted price. And that's without the quick release because I couldn't find the right one.
@@SiggsGBR well, yeah I guess that’s over in Europe. I was referring to the North American pricing (where this was filmed). As tested, it’s only $600 US dollars. So not much over what they were saying. Fanatec’s website automatically adds taxes for the region and you guys over in Europe have VAT and other higher taxes than we do which is why your prices are higher. I disagree with the whole pro-sumer notion. I think Fanatec is just trying to make a quality product. Unfortunately mimicking real world steering forces it takes a strong (>5 Nm) and agile motor which isn’t cheaper to do properly. Sure if you compare it to toy wheels like G29 or T150 it looks expensive but they are for different markets one is made for a younger crowd mostly playing on consoles and Fanatec is aimed more at enthusiasts who are older and sim race as a hobby. Even then $600 isn’t all that much to spend on a hobby as an adult. Hell, it’s not unusually for cyclists to spend $2000- $8000 on a decent mountain or road bike. Let alone the cost of a hobby like real world racing. To put it in prospective someone making min wage where live would only have to work one 5-day work week to afford and entry level Fanatec set-up and for those with a normal job they would only have to work a couple days for that kind of money. When you break down the 1000’s of hours of entertainment it can bring you it’s actually and extremely cheap form of entertainment. I know wages are less for you guys in Europe and prices/taxes are higher (which provides you guys with other benefits) but that’s not really Fanatec’s fault. That how you guys have chosen to run your economy. Which again had its pros and cons but this is unfortunately a con for you guys.
@@vsd1988 id actually kinda dig it if they did a video on Assettos wonky performance habits, like, it only really utilizes 2 threads so what do I upgrade to get good VR performance. Running the absolute most average pc they built not too long ago
@@vsd1988 it do be wonky, like yeah it’s fine-ish in 2d even my most average gaming pc gets 80fps with most csp stuff turned on SOL installed and high graphics but try hitting full refresh rate in VR, on a server with many different car mods and see what’s up! I can’t get on SRP and Touge Life 2 without getting nauseous from the spikes in frame time
@@raptorjeezus2607 ofcours you will have to turn down things for VR...don,t expect to run it with all the eyecandy in VR. I had an oculus rift 1st gen and it was fine for what it was. i was at a nice 90 fps all the time but you have to do the tinkering for your setup.
Just be aware, that only the base is 400-500 dollars. To get the full setup with all the neccesary accesories, it's gonna be like 1500-2000 bucks, cause just the steering wheel alone pretty much costs the same as the base.
@@nexas2316 1500-2000, what are you smoking. 350 or 480 for the base. 200 for wheel. 80 for pedals 30 for Table clamp 30 ish for shipping I think 700 ish for 5nm 880 ish for 8nm. You could even fit a hefty aluminium profile rig into this and still be under 1500. If you order a rig with it, you don't need the table clamp, so that will also save you the 30 there.
I'm a sim hobbyist, and I picked up this wheel to replace my logitech. I was freakin' DEVASTATED to learn that Dirt Rally 1 is not compatible with this wheel.
Do you reckon one could replace the wheel with a third party one, like with say, an original steering wheel from a bus? Do you have to attach the wheel it comes with? People like to model bus or lorry cabs to play with simulators, so that's why I'm wondering.
Possible. Fanatec did a wheel hub for the older range with all the electronics and buttons in it. You then attached the proper racing wheel of your choice via the standard 6 bolt pattern. No reason you couldn't find someone to design and knock up an adapter for an old Leyland Atlantean wheel if that's your poison. 🤣
If it can be done with the Logitech G920/290, I don't see why it couldn't be done here. Loads of people custom make adapters for the Logitech wheels and sell them.
So weird, I just got into sim raing this week and suddenly you upload something sim racing related lol Have the T300 too btw^^ Looking forward to upgrade to a fanatec in the future
Yeah, I never drive with flip flops anymore after I almost did something similar. I just end up taking them off and driving barefoot, which has gotten me some strange looks before
@@tooplanx I feel safer driving barefoot than I do in my flip flops, having no heel means that the shoe doesn’t always pivot with my foot correctly and it ends up wedging itself on the side of either the gas or the brake
@@_Gecko Yeah, flip flops are dangerous for driving. Barefoot is bad because if you're in an accident it might make it difficult for you to get out of your vehicle of you're surrounded by broken glass.
Same exact thing happened to me way back when with flip flops... except I plowed into the back of another car.... Which hit another car.... Then another. It was a bad day. I feel your pain, and I never again have worn flip flops while driving. Anyway. I just bought one of these. Pretty pumped.
I've got the Fanatec CSL Elite V1.1 which is probably the best belt driven wheelbase on the market and it produces enough torque to hurt my thumbs after a heavy racing session... This direct drive base with booster pack would kill my hands. I'd love to see more Sim Racing content!
"it's so much better" well yes, it also costs almost double for just the motor vs your entire thrustmaster t300 rs (motor, wheel, pedals). So almost double and you only get the motor, then you have to buy the wheel and pedals. So let's say you spend 3 times what you spent on the thrustmaster... It's not really a fair comparison is it?
What are you even going on about? Its just better and the only thing he has to compare it to and has never driven anything other than a T300. Also without the boost kit the wheel base costs as much as a T300.
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt You get a new T300 RS for 300 euro delivered to my door and there's big sales all the time. The Fanatec CSL DD base is 350 plus shipping and good luck finding much of a sale from fanatec. Then it's 150 - 200 for a wheel and 80 - 100 for the most basic pedals, that's 600 bucks minimum before shipping. So you're right, it's only double. It shouldn't be much better than the t300, you're only paying double... Are you seriously trying to have this discussion?
Lol, oh how times have changed... 🤣 Fanatec's $400 CSL DD "Ready2Race" bundles (wheel base, pedals, wheel) have completely broken the ENTIRE sim-racing market! Nothing else can compete at that price. 🤷 Although if $400's simply too much for a person the $250 Thrustmaster T248 is the best "entry-level" setup at, w/ ≈3.5nm of torque from a hybrid gear + belt drive. The ≈4nm TM T300RS/GT otoh simply do make any sense anymore. They are simply too expensive and come with SIGNIFICANTLY worse pedals than the T248. 🤷
so you have a grin, because you played it, you have a grin because you watched someone else play this and I have a grin, because I watched you guys playing and recognizing, that my CSL DD will come in about a month :)
Looking at the alternative driving, he probably still is. And usually, who has fascination/background in engineering appreciate more all the nitty gritty that a sim (SW and hw)can offer you
Something like this would be even more immersive in VR. I have an El cheapo Logitech driving Force GT that I got on eBay for like 50 bucks, and even that old thing is great in VR.
Well, the normal base costs $350. You can get pedals for $70 and their wheels start at $150 (although I think some of their cheaper wheels are currently out of stock as they transition to the new line up. You could probably find one of their cheaper wheels used for ~$100). So you can get a whole Fanatec set for a little over $500. I bought a CSL Elite Starter set (w/ pedals and wheel) for $550 a couple of years ago. So while they cleary don't know much about the simracing world you can get a Fanatec Set starting in the mid $500's if you have some patience/get lucky.
@@TheBrennanSchafer Thats true but this base cost 400 for the normal version and 500 for the pro version. so you still need to buy everything else on top of that.
I have a DD2 with a couple of clubsport and CSL wheels, the V3 pedals and the clubsport SQ all sitting on my SimLab rig (with buttkicker)(planning on getting the DOF H6 soon). I do a lot of iracing and asseto corsa, all in a valve index. It really is a super immersive experience and I have pretty much replaced my irl racing habit with simming, it's saved me a ton of money these past few years and my cars all get to be garaged and not beaten up every summer except for the occasional track day and spirited driving weekend. I highly recommend getting into modern race simming if you enjoy racing, flight simming is almost even better with modern hardware out there now (I've only got a warthog thustmaster setup and MFG crosswind for now, maybe VKB in the future). Can't wait to go to DOF, now if they only made a full-axis tilt seat so I can get some irl g-forces, lol.
I really hope you've upgraded your VR headset by now. The $500 Quest 3 is miles and MIIIIIIIIIIIILES better for sim-racing than the absolutely ancient Valve Index!!! (The VASTLY higher resolution and crystal clear pancake lenses are an absolute GAME CHANGER for racing!!! And unlike prior Quests you barely lose any FOV vs the Index assuming you push the facial interface in as close to the lenses as it lets you! [Quest 3 ≈ 110° vs Index ≈115°]) The Index's now super low resolution absolutely DESTROYS your long distance vision when racing. 🤷 Not to mention that it's huge and heavy.
@@BarryMahcockiner ah yes, what studies?, the one that treats obesity as one of the worst illnesses of the world?, the humongous problems that carry on? c´mon i know you are american but try to use your brain once
Because the CSL DD uses a newer motor design it's arguably better than the Podium DD1 & DD2 whenever the steering torque is under its 8nm limit. 🤷 Of course the Podium 's have ABSOLUTELY INSANE power that the CSL DD definitely does not... If you wanna accurately replicate IndyCar (aka open wheel w/o power steering) you legitimately need something in the ≈15-20nm range. IMO the best wheel base Fanatec currently sells is the $1000 ≈15nm ClubSport DD+ which has an even newer generation motor design vs the CSL DD. The extra torque of the Podium's simply isn't worth going with a two generations old motor design. 🤷
Ohh yeah, super cheap, if you already have the excessively priced ecosystem of everything else to plug it into. Thus, it being cheaper than all the other things is.. Meh. If I could take this, dump something like Thrustmaster or Logitech rim on it, run whatever shifter/pedals I had. Totally viable, otherwise; stick with over-volting a logitech wheel and spend the money elsewhere imo.
*Forex/Crypto is bringing a different revolution to the World's Economy, people are so optimistic, Investors earn constantly while some just sit and watch rather than to Invest and make Profits...*
LMG reviewing so many different spaces of technology has made me so interested in things I never thought about.
Same here! I love seeing reviews/unboxes of things I never knew I wanted/needed.
This guy has no idea what he’s going on about though. A bit more research would go far.
@@TheBlazingRiver True, but it's at least really cool to be exposed.
Anyone that wants to get into race simming would know about this stuff already, LTT is not the place to learn about simming, none of their staff do any research or know anything about simming or sim hardware.
@@TheBlazingRiver “Jake the fake is back. fatas can’t even open a box without struggling”
Good to see you guys covering some sim racing stuff again :)
i had a feeling i’d find you here
Cool stuff getting DD into a more affordable range and seeing them actually do a review from a user perspective.
Otherwise we are currently still working on open source DIY options if you need something really customizable ;)
This dude the ultimate clout chaser its hilarious.
@@Bobbarker23455 Will might be making his name in sim racing specifically but it’s not like he’s ignorant of areas of tech beyond that, and shock horror he’s supportive of more mainstream coverage of this niche because that’s a good thing for himself and the community, wow 😅
@@YayDanMan your right he seems like a user
Jake: "I'm going in the dirt..I'm going in the dirt..I'm going in the dirt!!"
So just a typical day driving in Vancouver
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3:15 Yes, that is an extrusion that was likely done on a 9" die, probably extruded in 50ft sections, then anodized black and sent to fabricating to be cut into the correct length and machined
Looked expensive, haha. Is 50ft common? Most I've seen is 40ft, although that is a complete section so mainly due to transport reasons.
I remember when they announced this on April 1 everyone thought they were joking about having a dd wheel at this price. I was so glad to hear they weren't kidding and I've been waiting patiently for this. Can't wait to upgrade form my g920!
Everybody half expected it to be thrash. Turns out it was a revolution instead.
The price they quoted was just the base, you'll also need a rim, pedals, desk mount, shifter/handbrake optional. The bare minimum viable setup is around 800$.
@@B.D.B. Nanh, more like 650 USD. 350 base, 100 pedals, 200 rim.
@@B.D.B. $800 is for the plastic CSL crap, lol. You are looking at $1800 bare minimum if you want the modern hardware.
For the people not in the know: Fanatec played it amazingly, they kinda announced it April 1st, writing it in such a BS way that it really made you feel as if it just was a joke, calling it DD0.5, stating they used carbon fibre to reduce shipping weight... but all of the specs were true and confirmed not to be a joke a bit later. That was the biggest marketing mic drop I had seen in a long time. "This value/money may seem like a ridiculous joke, but we made it happen"
Jake has that “I’m gonna steal company property” look on his face
Hell yes! More exposure for sim racing, lets go!
@@spritsfal5088 That's a downside but I'll take that to increase the player base.
@@worstenbroodje6832 a man of the people indeed
lets goooooo
@@spritsfal5088 all the hardware sells out because of the small playerbase, increase the playerbase, increase the amount of hardware available
The more players, the shorter the lobby wait times.
Great to see an average sim racer's first impression and reaction to this wheel base. You should probably clarify for people the actual cost is not $350, (that is just the wheel base). Pedals, wheel rim, quick release and desk clamp are all extra. So for this setup with 2 pedals it would be $760 USD + Tax and shipping. For us Canadians you can expect to pay $1270+Tax + shipping. To get this in Nova Scotia through the only official reseller it would be $1560 all in. Whether or not you feel that is worth it is entirely your personal choice, just trying manage peoples expectations here.
And an actual rig goes a long way, im sill on a g27 without a rig and i never simrace simply due to how uncomfortable it is without a rig
Yeah, i don't really understand how people are comparing this to either the g29 or t300. Never mind calling this a "budget" option.
I got my t300 rs bundled with the t3pa pedals for 300€ while such a combination in fanatec world would cost me at least 800€.
@@djhokage1 people compare this to the g29 and shit because this is what they upgrade too ya dummy
@@djhokage1 It's downright cheap for a direct drive wheel. That's why they compare it, but yes it's no comparison in so many ways.
Still cheaper than a $5000 billet rig lmao.
2:32 That landing of the screwdriver kit was sooo smoooth
I'm so happy LTT dips its toe into sim-racing every now and then.
It really is a piece of tech that's advanced an extreme amount in the last 2-3 years, and ESPECIALLY gained popularity during covid for obvious reasons. Would love to see a video on modern sim-racing and how much its advanced over the years. Would probably make for an awesome video.
Late reply but can you explain a little how the tech has advanced? Do you mean how the price has come down and the higher end tech is more attainable for average sim enthusiasts?
Why do I have the feeling that Linus is going to find this thing in his house at one point xD
Nah, we'll see it again when it's Jake's turn for the Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade.
@@tinitis4144 Jake already had an IEU ages ago. Not likely to see one for him any time soon.
@@blockbertus what does that mean?
@@doingFinops IEU == Intel Extreme Upgrade (okay, i forgot the T for Tech)
@@blockbertus nope just checked the playlist. Jake hasn’t gone yet
As a sim racer who has this with the boost pack pre-ordered, I was interested and slightly worried what this review would be like. I must admit I think this a good quick review, with the key thing is unlike most reviews where the reviewer is a keen simracer who has a high torque DD wheel already, this is done by the casual person who has an entry/mid range wheel (Logitech/Thrustmaster which there is nothing wrong with either of those). Not only that but the review done on the table clamp and not a rig. So for people who are the more casual, where the price point is for this wheel base, it's fantastic to see something like this.
One thing I will note, yes it is annoying with all the building of parts, however that is part of Fanatec's eco-system, so a lot of the items that required assembly they can be taken off and used for other parts or you can add more to it, like the clutch pedal that was mentioned, or a better responding brake pedal in the Load Cell kit
I love fanatec gear i have the DD1 & the drift wheel
Enjoy it, it will prolly need RMA soon :D
@@thesign6879 nahh i service it myself
@@thesign6879 why?
@@sara_m fanatec customer service is GARBAGE and their quality control equally the same
Yeah I love my fanatec gear too. They have some crazy awesome wheels coming out. Especially that BMW wheel that is fully legit.
This are golden times for simracing!! The games, the equipment, the mods are all getting better so fast and they are already great to begin with....
Bono- My tyres!
Andy- My steering wheel!
That's the one who took Kimi's steering wheel!
found the real racing fan lol
"HEY! HEY! STEERING WHEEL AND GLOVES TELL HIM TO GIVE THEM TO ME"
Thank you for this great video!
You went very in-depth, even if it isn't a standard PC part, you took your time,
explained the materials and built it. I was very sad in the way you LTT made the last "racing setup" video,
so I'm very glad to see this video not holding back and really appreciating the product and paying attention to the things racing game fans would care about.
This was really well done!
The setup process actually looks so much fun, I like that. Plus I love how customisable it is, this is the perfect budget entry into serious SIM racing
Budget remains relative, a full kit will still drain you in excess of 650 USD. 350 is the base only, you have to add 100 for the pedals and 200 for the wheel. Add up a few peripherals, upgrade the pedals, get a better rim with 6 speed manual shifter and you're soon to be 1400$ poorer.
@@EddieOtool compared to what fanatec used to charge for such kit and what a full set of top notch stuff is yeah it's still budget. It's not Logitech g29 cheap but it's bringing you into an ecosystem you can expand upon instead of a full set you have to throw away to upgrade
@@SiMBol10 As I said, it's relative. ;)
@@EddieOtool tbf my budget extends to the controller I already have sooooo
@@SiMBol10 I'm using a DualSense. With the motion sensor, it's satisfying enough for the little time I have to sim. Some day though...
Got my CSL DD along with many peripherals from Fanatec about 1 month ago. Haven't had such a good time in driving games since back on gran Turismo on PS1
Would love more sim videos guys!
My brother has a Fanatec wheel and he had it calibrated wrong (edit: ok maybe not apparently). When I crashed in game, damn near felt like it was gonna dislocate my shoulder with how powerful it was.
That is not calibrated wrong. He has most likely a Fanatec Podium which can output lots of torque
@@Sithhy Perhaps the brother was just a super experienced sim racer that was used to it lol.
Thats how its supposed to be
If he's actually good, he might have it on a sim professional level
Surely this is the next step in sim racing - realistic injuries!
Next review will include Fanatec's flame-thrower to simulate those crashes where the fuel lines get torn.
This video actually convinced me to upgrade from my g920 to this. The whole kit with the wheel, the DD base, pedals, and clutch pedal was only $500 USD including shipping and taxes which IMO is a great value for what you're getting. I am keeping my logitech shifter for now and upgrading to a nicer one later down the road so i saved about $250 there.
wait, the host is Jake? definitely changed a LOT
C H O N K
@@naufalap There is always one and here you are.
says@@theone-swta
My favorite thing about driving with flip flops is taking them off while I drive. I tried to drive with them on. That lasted about 15 seconds. Then I discovered, it's amazing driving barefoot. The amount of control uou feel is crazy you can feel the engine vibrating through the pedals. You can even grab the pedals with your toes. And you are hyper aware of your feet positioning because you can feel everything. Unlike when you are stomping around in shoes.
Custom direct drive wheel base, custom rig and custom 6 DOF motion platform? Great ideas for a series with all that machineries LTT have.
No one at LTT is a simmer or knows (or cares to know) anything about simming. They just get paid by sponsors to read marketing material and video tape it with their casual ideas and experience. Do yourself a favor and go sub to a real sim racing channel.
@@sqlevolicious lol gatekeep harder
@@wandrinsheep That's literally what they did though, this video is fine if it's your first experience with simracing, but the LMG guys are really inexperienced in this field. It's not gatekeeping, it's closer to harm reduction. To get the best information, obviously the people running dedicated simracing channels are going to be better than a channel focused mainly on computers and random tech.
@@watersnortmoment3734 I don’t agree with this. I frequent sim racing subreddits and am always looking on how to improve my stuff and I know the channels your talking about for games as well as product reviews and love them all but none of them have even close to half the reach of LMG and if this can bring more people into sim racing I welcome it. This is the ultimate gatekeeping and it’s quite bad in the sim racing community.
I have been doing extra work on saturdays to finally get into sim racing with this here base. If everything goes according to plan everything will arrive at the start of my stay-in two weeks holliday. I'm sure it will be a great time.
The reason this is a great video is: I'm not into cars, I don't have a license, I don't care about driving, I hate driving games, but Jakes genuine enthusiasm makes me wanna play with this wheel!!! I've played Forza and this looks really fun!!
It's what it makes this channel great. How excited is everyone on showing what they really like, not just some sponsored product that they don't care.
@@juliancantarelli Indeed
Don't play forza with this
It's a ton of fun, just don't play Forza with a wheel, it sucks.
@@marcusborderlands6177 There's hope for Horizon 5 at least
Jake: talks down about people driving 3 series
Also Jake: You're not supposed to wear flip-flops when driving?
Yeah but he learned from his mistakes 😂
I feel like there is a tiktok guy who could show us how flip-flops can be taken off before driving 'barefoot'...
i love how the whole ltt team all follow like different parts of the gaming and pc scene. Linux, Keyboards, Racing Wheels etc etc.
I know theres a lot of super detailed reviews on this wheel from the hardcore sim community, but I am very very happy to get an impression from someone who doesn't drive super high end gear on a daily basis. Naturally if you come from a DD2 you'll feel the CSL DD will be much weaker. But since they're directly comparing to something the average person is more likely to own, you get a less biased opinion.
I feel the same way, I was expecting a trainwreck but this video ended up being quite enjoyable in a different way than the hardcore sim racer channels.
At the very least it looks like Jake fixed his FOV, which I was wondering if he was going to mention in the video. I kinda feel bad as one of the people giving him crap about it last time lol
They're comparing 700€ set to 200-300€ ones. How is this a less biased opinion?
@@Tarets biased as in being able to say "yea 5nm is as good or enough of an upgrade from a logitech" vs "you need a 8nm at minimum because I've used a DD1 and this is too weak"
@@zergslayer69 If you're upgrading from a csl elite you will notice that you're down on torque without the boost kit, but that's a little bit of a different market lmao
@@watersnortmoment3734 I had a g29 before, so definitely not from CSL elite class
Yes i love the sim racing love. That FOV was killing me tho smh
This with VR would be so amazing, I’m sure somehow has already mentioned that in the comments. But the thought of that just excites me, like an at home arcade machine
I have the Podium Racing Wheel F1 (DD1 included). Before that I had the Logitech G29. The difference in feel and performance is HUGE! But the price also.😏😂
@Abdulrahman Abdulla Abdulla for dd1 and club sport pedals around 2500
You spent like what? 15-20x more? Guys please don't think this is a usual upgrade path lol
(I don't mean this comment in a judgemental way, more in like a informative/disclaimer way. Actually I'm the type of guy that tells you that is worth to spend a lot of money on the things that make you happy)
@@kaledzarzar453 G29 is around 250 euro's had it for 5 years. The Podium Racing wheel with the DD1 1800 euro's and Pedals 600 euro's. So yeah 10x more expensive, so I understand that it is a big step in the budget . But hey, nothing is wrong with a lower tier of the fanatec products like the CLS DD what they are showing here, that's cheaper and evenly great! I could afford the expensive one, so I took the big jump and I never regret it and never gonna change it.😁
@@kaledzarzar453 You are incorrect, this is a very reasonable upgrade path, the amount of tech and power that legit sim hardware has is far beyond what the casual plastic toys are. Like comparing one of those plastic home phones from the late 90s to a modern smartphone.
@@BjörnV8X Damn, I completely forgot that the G29/920 is supposed to be that price, and that the launch price was €300 too, my mind had pre covid prices; around €180. And I was accounting for a rig too, I think decent ones can be found for as little as €350, because I can't think of someone using +6 Nm on a desk and load cell pedals on a regular (not bolted to anything rigid) chair, but if it works for the owner, then okay I guess.
And as far as your setup is concerned, is very likely to still be high end tier for +5 years, so solid investment overall. And the user experience must be amazing, not too long ago I was able to test out the Simcube 2 Pro for about 20 mins (so I couldn't dial in the ffb to my preferences) and what an experience, it had so much detail that I remember feeling the difference in tyre flex between each side of the car (because the track had way more right turns than left turns, so the tires on the left got hotter before the ones on the right, hence the difference in tyre pressure and by extension sidewall stiffness), it was unbelievable. And the Heusinkveld pedals didn't disappoint either, they felt brilliant.
"The car that I own right now, which is an e60 M5" my condolences, you absolute madlad.
he's only cool if he has the V10 tho
@@sqlevolicious that's the only engine for the e60 m5...
He had my atention, but after he said this he got my respect
“We’re taking it apart??”
“We’re not taking it apart”
*proceeds to throw tools at him*
“We’re taking it apart!”
love to see the racing sim stuff you all should do a entire Fanatec setup
Me: “I mean…”
Brain: “Do it! I need it!”
Wallet: “Don’t you fucking dare!”
Literally same :D The secret is to just neck a couple of beers and you won't care about, what your wallet thinks about it.
Getting it past your significant other is a whole other story though.
It's good to know that I am at least better than one person at sim driving. poots my heart at ease
More Jake, Anthony, and Linus. I always enjoy their videos!
Also, "really heavy" 11lbs....I was expecting like 40lbs or something.
And I want Riley and James also
Considering most wheels for video games people have felt are between like 3 and 6 pounds and physically larger, it makes sense. And this is still the small one! The one I snagged earlier this year is about 35.
My guy you are SO me a couple of years ago. So fun to watch. Cannot WAIT for my CSL DD. Get a rig my guy.
The optional load cell brake pedal makes as much of an improvement as going from belt to DD imo. So much more braking control.
From the bottom of my heart, thank you, no really! - I have been watching so many reviews of this product, but you are the only one who truly showed emotions, and that tells me that i gotta get that old G27 to the fleemarket. Thank You.
An E60 M5 is a pretty sweet car! I hope it's behaving and that the engine or transmission aren't trying to kill themselves
Great car, shitty parts that break every 5000 miles this coming from someone who daily drives an 07 E60
@@Darklord_tK I daily a 2013 Ford Taurus limited. The biggest gotcha for those is the water pump. Which is run by the timing chain. New water pump, chain, guides, and tensioner and ~12hrs labor $2200
Can´t wait for mine to arrive, Oct 19, couting the days for the arrival of it, and it got me even more pumped after seeing this video!!
That’s an aluminum extrusion not a machined peace.
peace is never machined, its handwoven by hippies
looks like v slot extrusion
I use to haul extrusion out of the GTA. Definitely an extrusion, a lot cheaper process.
The ends of the extrusion are machined.
@@Deathscythe91 hahahahaha this!
I just ordered the full kit today with the boost pack and the F1 wheel!! Im gonna enjoy this setup!!
As an avid member of the Sim Racing Community, I approve 👌
Do you know what game he was playing?
@@zachspiegel1577 Assetto Corsa
I've had my eyes on this for a while now...great review!
9:32 Lmao at the end this man literally had that look of "can't believe I said all that"
Takes me back to the 4-banks of Sega Rally Championship they used to have about 18 years ago. Had a huge amount of fun on those - drinking and driving was encouraged!
"Something in French, I dunno I'm just the editor"
"Shut up Riley"
So much shade cast at Riley!
My name is Riley too lmfaooo
@@lbLevii Shut up Riley.
Short Circuit! So glad you actually weighed the beast.. I have a motion rig and weight is important to me. 11.2 pounds.. yep.. Thank you so much! DMAX motion sim ch
That honestly had to have been the best plug for LTT store I've seen yet LOL
Jake: We'll just ignore the fact we have a clutch pedal..
Typical.. No clutch love!
PDK>stick-shift.
@@rustler08 yanks cant drive thus autos
@@girlsdrinkfeck We are thankful for that, less car theft. We also have some of the largest car culture communities on earth.
@@rustler08 Sure, if you drive a porsche, but not everyone has a porsche, kiddo.
@@sqlevolicious because america has no natives its a mix of people of the world
I started out with a Fanatec club sport wheelbase and pedals a couple of years ago, now I have an $11,000 sim racing setup. It's a rabbit hole to disappear down for sure once you get into this stuff, but so much fun!
I love this, but it's a racing wheel base, not a racing motor. That could confuse people, even with the thumbnail.
lets build a racecar with it as the drive motor and see how it goes!
Well, the motor running it is just a powerful servo motor, so just calling it a motor wouldn't be completely wrong.
@@watersnortmoment3734 my comment pointed out that it is potentially misleading. Not that it's entirely incorrect.
love jake nerding out over sim racing tech. great content!
When my friends visit we do "drunk driving" where we set lap times and whoever is fastest drinks, HIIGHLY recommend. But of course drink responsibly
That's genius
When is comes to Sim Racing, especially to those that take is a full hobby to career, FANATEC is the best in the business!! I've owned FANATEC products since 2018 when the DD1 and DD2 debuted. The DD1 is still going strong and I've been convinced by this to get the CSL DD as my "on the road" rig!
Amazing choice going for the e60 and nurburg combo.
BMW E60?
@@betabars yes
@@betabars yes a 5 series for people that dont know the bmw code.
@@16valveBravoSpoonz Do you like BMWs
My Great Uncle & my dad had machines in the 1950s that extruded aluminum. The housing might be a giant version of that is allowed to cool in a mold.
I mean, the T300RS (2 pedals, wheel and base) is typically around $350. Getting Fanatec's cheapest full config for the CSL DD comes out to over $630 ($200 for a wheel with buttons, $350 for the base, $80 for the pedals, $30 for the table top mount). They really can't be compared to one another.
Yup can't be compared, one is trash and other is fanatec
That's a total of 680, not 630. And you haven't counted the delivery price yet, which even within europe is 30-40€. Not to mention, for 350 you can get the top T300 edition with gorgeous Alcantara rim, while the Fanatec WRC is literally the cheapest flimsy rim you can choose. The motor is most important, obviously, but it's not the only factor that adds up to the enjoyment, so I agree this comparison makes zero sense.
@@Tarets it does make sense to get this over any of the more expensive thrustmaster wheels though. Like the TS-PC or TS-XW. Those are kind of obsolete now. And unless you absolutely need more than 8 Nm I think this might even be a better option than all other DD wheels out there...
And when you spend $350 on TM you will wish you just paid more for the Fanatec
Pretty much obody should buy the T300RS/GT when the T248 is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper (≈$250 vs ≈$350-$400) and comes with MUCH better 3x hall effect sensor pedals. 🤷 Sure, you lose a liiiittle bit of torque (≈3.5nm vs ≈4nm) but you save a bunch of money and the overall package is simply just better.
Also, being a gear+belt hybrid drive vs the T300's dual-belt eliminates the "wishy-washy" feeling and difficulty to accurately create fine detail feedback that is endemic with pure belt motors. Aka the fine-grained feedback is better & clearer on the T248, athough it is definitely more notchy feeling than the T300 bc of said gear. And you can just barely feel the power difference between them (T300 just has that little bit more umph), although the wheel can't spin as fast as the T300 so it's definitely worse for drifting. 🤷
I really love the fanatec guys who produced and design the wheel I'm so glad I can buy this for about 500 bucks. Im going to upgrade to DD wheel and cannot find something at the same price lmao
Wheelbase $500....but it would have been nice to elaborate on the cost of the wheel and pedals on top. Total cost of that setup is significantly more!
Not really. The normal base costs $350. You can get their pedals for $70 and their cheapesty wheels start at $150 (although I think some are currently out of stock as they transitioning to the new line up. Hell, you could probably find one of their cheaper wheels used for ~$100. My buddy just bought a used CSL Elite w/ pedals and a P1 wheel for $400). So you can get a whole new Fanatec set for the mid $500's (or less if you don't mind used). I bought a new CSL Elite Starter set (w/ pedals and wheel) for $550 from Fantatec a couple of years ago. So while these guys cleary don't know much about the simracing world you very much can get a whole Fanatec set starting in the mid $500's if you have some patience/get lucky. And believe me it is more than worth it. You get A LOT more bang for you buck with something like the CSL DD than anything Logitech or Thrustmaster currently offers.
@@TheBrennanSchafer going of current Fanatec website prices(Europe), the setup 'as tested' costs €700, or $828usd. Before shipping, so probably nudging $850.
Price in the review should as closely reflect the current price as possible, no used market, or getting lucky in a sale, etc. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ I used to love Fanatec wheels I've had three or four over the years. But the way they've moved I to pro-sumer has priced me out, for what is only a part time hobby. So I'd hate for someone to get their hopes up thinking what they're seeing is what they'd get for the quoted price.
And that's without the quick release because I couldn't find the right one.
@@SiggsGBR well, yeah I guess that’s over in Europe. I was referring to the North American pricing (where this was filmed). As tested, it’s only $600 US dollars. So not much over what they were saying. Fanatec’s website automatically adds taxes for the region and you guys over in Europe have VAT and other higher taxes than we do which is why your prices are higher.
I disagree with the whole pro-sumer notion. I think Fanatec is just trying to make a quality product. Unfortunately mimicking real world steering forces it takes a strong (>5 Nm) and agile motor which isn’t cheaper to do properly. Sure if you compare it to toy wheels like G29 or T150 it looks expensive but they are for different markets one is made for a younger crowd mostly playing on consoles and Fanatec is aimed more at enthusiasts who are older and sim race as a hobby. Even then $600 isn’t all that much to spend on a hobby as an adult. Hell, it’s not unusually for cyclists to spend $2000- $8000 on a decent mountain or road bike. Let alone the cost of a hobby like real world racing. To put it in prospective someone making min wage where live would only have to work one 5-day work week to afford and entry level Fanatec set-up and for those with a normal job they would only have to work a couple days for that kind of money. When you break down the 1000’s of hours of entertainment it can bring you it’s actually and extremely cheap form of entertainment. I know wages are less for you guys in Europe and prices/taxes are higher (which provides you guys with other benefits) but that’s not really Fanatec’s fault. That how you guys have chosen to run your economy. Which again had its pros and cons but this is unfortunately a con for you guys.
I hope one day I can have something like this
Felt better when I finally saw the content manager window. Woulda loved him doing some Touge tho
ah shit :D i commented to get content manager before i saw it...oh well
@@vsd1988 id actually kinda dig it if they did a video on Assettos wonky performance habits, like, it only really utilizes 2 threads so what do I upgrade to get good VR performance. Running the absolute most average pc they built not too long ago
@@raptorjeezus2607 wonky? ac is far from wonky for me I78700 with a 1080
@@vsd1988 it do be wonky, like yeah it’s fine-ish in 2d even my most average gaming pc gets 80fps with most csp stuff turned on SOL installed and high graphics but try hitting full refresh rate in VR, on a server with many different car mods and see what’s up! I can’t get on SRP and Touge Life 2 without getting nauseous from the spikes in frame time
@@raptorjeezus2607 ofcours you will have to turn down things for VR...don,t expect to run it with all the eyecandy in VR.
I had an oculus rift 1st gen and it was fine for what it was. i was at a nice 90 fps all the time but you have to do the tinkering for your setup.
That grin can't be faked. Currently using the G29 but definitely getting this.
I am most definitely getting this in the near future
Just be aware, that only the base is 400-500 dollars. To get the full setup with all the neccesary accesories, it's gonna be like 1500-2000 bucks, cause just the steering wheel alone pretty much costs the same as the base.
@@nexas2316 ya know that
@@nexas2316 1500-2000, what are you smoking.
350 or 480 for the base.
200 for wheel.
80 for pedals
30 for Table clamp
30 ish for shipping I think
700 ish for 5nm
880 ish for 8nm.
You could even fit a hefty aluminium profile rig into this and still be under 1500.
If you order a rig with it, you don't need the table clamp, so that will also save you the 30 there.
The editor comited 2 sins in this video:
1 mismatched fonts
2 comic sans
I will hunt you down
I'm a sim hobbyist, and I picked up this wheel to replace my logitech. I was freakin' DEVASTATED to learn that Dirt Rally 1 is not compatible with this wheel.
Try the ClubSport V2.5 compatibility mode. (Click the power button until the light turns yellow.)
13:27 Jake: "I mean.. I still have a shit eating grin on my face, and I'm not even driving!"
Fanatex user here. Going from the CSL Elite to the New DD will be amazing.
Do you reckon one could replace the wheel with a third party one, like with say, an original steering wheel from a bus? Do you have to attach the wheel it comes with?
People like to model bus or lorry cabs to play with simulators, so that's why I'm wondering.
Possible. Fanatec did a wheel hub for the older range with all the electronics and buttons in it. You then attached the proper racing wheel of your choice via the standard 6 bolt pattern. No reason you couldn't find someone to design and knock up an adapter for an old Leyland Atlantean wheel if that's your poison. 🤣
If it can be done with the Logitech G920/290, I don't see why it couldn't be done here. Loads of people custom make adapters for the Logitech wheels and sell them.
Yes, lots of little niche companies either have stock of pre-converted wheels or will sell you adapters and kits to convert your wheel of choice
Wait, Jake owns an E60 M5? That is a man of culture. Hope the rod bearings don't give up
Be careful with your thumbs like that in a direct drive wheel, if you get that update kit pls wear gloves/move thumb position!
i was wondering if you could get thumb injuries in racing sim setups
@@simpson6700 yes and on some better and stronger models (20Nm isn’t even the limit) u can get ur arm easily broken
@@Ivwin ...maybe those gear or belt driven wheels are enough for me, an injury from playing games is the last thing i need.
How would gloves help protect his thumbs though?
So weird, I just got into sim raing this week and suddenly you upload something sim racing related lol
Have the T300 too btw^^
Looking forward to upgrade to a fanatec in the future
Yeah, I never drive with flip flops anymore after I almost did something similar. I just end up taking them off and driving barefoot, which has gotten me some strange looks before
Driving in flip flops is illegal, as is driving in high heels. As is driving bare foot. All for good reason.
@@tooplanx maybe where you live, but not in Alabama
@@_Gecko Fair enough! Perhaps they should look in to that. On a side note, I'm surprised to learn that people in the U.S. also call them flip flops.
@@tooplanx I feel safer driving barefoot than I do in my flip flops, having no heel means that the shoe doesn’t always pivot with my foot correctly and it ends up wedging itself on the side of either the gas or the brake
@@_Gecko Yeah, flip flops are dangerous for driving. Barefoot is bad because if you're in an accident it might make it difficult for you to get out of your vehicle of you're surrounded by broken glass.
Needed this especially as I've been into f1 lately
I'm quite worried about Jake health
he's growing a lot since I last saw him
above that great video!👍
Same exact thing happened to me way back when with flip flops... except I plowed into the back of another car.... Which hit another car.... Then another. It was a bad day. I feel your pain, and I never again have worn flip flops while driving. Anyway. I just bought one of these. Pretty pumped.
Was Jake wrestling a dog before he filmed this? He's covered in hair haha
I've got the Fanatec CSL Elite V1.1 which is probably the best belt driven wheelbase on the market and it produces enough torque to hurt my thumbs after a heavy racing session... This direct drive base with booster pack would kill my hands.
I'd love to see more Sim Racing content!
"it's so much better"
well yes, it also costs almost double for just the motor vs your entire thrustmaster t300 rs (motor, wheel, pedals). So almost double and you only get the motor, then you have to buy the wheel and pedals. So let's say you spend 3 times what you spent on the thrustmaster... It's not really a fair comparison is it?
What are you even going on about? Its just better and the only thing he has to compare it to and has never driven anything other than a T300.
Also without the boost kit the wheel base costs as much as a T300.
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt You get a new T300 RS for 300 euro delivered to my door and there's big sales all the time.
The Fanatec CSL DD base is 350 plus shipping and good luck finding much of a sale from fanatec. Then it's 150 - 200 for a wheel and 80 - 100 for the most basic pedals, that's 600 bucks minimum before shipping. So you're right, it's only double. It shouldn't be much better than the t300, you're only paying double... Are you seriously trying to have this discussion?
Lol, oh how times have changed... 🤣
Fanatec's $400 CSL DD "Ready2Race" bundles (wheel base, pedals, wheel) have completely broken the ENTIRE sim-racing market! Nothing else can compete at that price. 🤷
Although if $400's simply too much for a person the $250 Thrustmaster T248 is the best "entry-level" setup at, w/ ≈3.5nm of torque from a hybrid gear + belt drive. The ≈4nm TM T300RS/GT otoh simply do make any sense anymore. They are simply too expensive and come with SIGNIFICANTLY worse pedals than the T248. 🤷
@@Cooe. 3 years change a lot of things. At 400 that surely looks like an amazing deal.
so you have a grin, because you played it, you have a grin because you watched someone else play this and I have a grin, because I watched you guys playing and recognizing, that my CSL DD will come in about a month :)
And I thought Alex was the racing person at the office.
Looking at the alternative driving, he probably still is.
And usually, who has fascination/background in engineering appreciate more all the nitty gritty that a sim (SW and hw)can offer you
I work for Sprung Structures we use Aluminum extrusion for our beam technology. That looks like a powder coated aluminum extrusion for sure!
They BOTH put *WAY* too much steering input causing them to understeer into the dirt and walls.
well its all about content so... us sim racing nerds will always be triggered by that
Something like this would be even more immersive in VR. I have an El cheapo Logitech driving Force GT that I got on eBay for like 50 bucks, and even that old thing is great in VR.
I think they forgot that besides the 400-500 motor, you also need to buy everything else. So no it's not just 500 dollars.
Well, the normal base costs $350. You can get pedals for $70 and their wheels start at $150 (although I think some of their cheaper wheels are currently out of stock as they transition to the new line up. You could probably find one of their cheaper wheels used for ~$100). So you can get a whole Fanatec set for a little over $500. I bought a CSL Elite Starter set (w/ pedals and wheel) for $550 a couple of years ago. So while they cleary don't know much about the simracing world you can get a Fanatec Set starting in the mid $500's if you have some patience/get lucky.
@@TheBrennanSchafer Thats true but this base cost 400 for the normal version and 500 for the pro version. so you still need to buy everything else on top of that.
Jake is so good on camera, I'd love to see more of him
For someone who plays racing games the most out of anyone at LTT, he spends more time off the track than on it
I love how things are just being thrown into the scene
2:00 if that is your true reaction to 5kg then you realy need to start hitting the gym or something xD
not 5kg but 5Nm. Big difference there EDIT: LMAO Im dumb
@@Ivwin I think you're confused. He was referring to the weight, which is 5kg
@@maarten3225 Yes ur right I am now only now realising their are talking abput the weight xD
I have a DD2 with a couple of clubsport and CSL wheels, the V3 pedals and the clubsport SQ all sitting on my SimLab rig (with buttkicker)(planning on getting the DOF H6 soon). I do a lot of iracing and asseto corsa, all in a valve index. It really is a super immersive experience and I have pretty much replaced my irl racing habit with simming, it's saved me a ton of money these past few years and my cars all get to be garaged and not beaten up every summer except for the occasional track day and spirited driving weekend.
I highly recommend getting into modern race simming if you enjoy racing, flight simming is almost even better with modern hardware out there now (I've only got a warthog thustmaster setup and MFG crosswind for now, maybe VKB in the future). Can't wait to go to DOF, now if they only made a full-axis tilt seat so I can get some irl g-forces, lol.
I really hope you've upgraded your VR headset by now. The $500 Quest 3 is miles and MIIIIIIIIIIIILES better for sim-racing than the absolutely ancient Valve Index!!!
(The VASTLY higher resolution and crystal clear pancake lenses are an absolute GAME CHANGER for racing!!! And unlike prior Quests you barely lose any FOV vs the Index assuming you push the facial interface in as close to the lenses as it lets you! [Quest 3 ≈ 110° vs Index ≈115°])
The Index's now super low resolution absolutely DESTROYS your long distance vision when racing. 🤷 Not to mention that it's huge and heavy.
Jake, pls do exercise, we care about u
Someone with a bit of extra weight will 9 times out of 10 outlive a skinny person who does regular exercise. Doy.
@@BarryMahcockiner based on what? 😂
@@Vichogajardo Literally any amount of science?
@@BarryMahcockiner ah yes, what studies?, the one that treats obesity as one of the worst illnesses of the world?, the humongous problems that carry on? c´mon i know you are american but try to use your brain once
As a sim enthusiast it’s good to see this stuff becoming more mainstream. But nothing compares to a DD2
Because the CSL DD uses a newer motor design it's arguably better than the Podium DD1 & DD2 whenever the steering torque is under its 8nm limit. 🤷
Of course the Podium 's have ABSOLUTELY INSANE power that the CSL DD definitely does not... If you wanna accurately replicate IndyCar (aka open wheel w/o power steering) you legitimately need something in the ≈15-20nm range.
IMO the best wheel base Fanatec currently sells is the $1000 ≈15nm ClubSport DD+ which has an even newer generation motor design vs the CSL DD. The extra torque of the Podium's simply isn't worth going with a two generations old motor design. 🤷
But i thought money didn't buy happiness ;)
Nice this reached "mainstream" Hope more people will find out how awesome simracing is. Love it
Ohh yeah, super cheap, if you already have the excessively priced ecosystem of everything else to plug it into.
Thus, it being cheaper than all the other things is.. Meh.
If I could take this, dump something like Thrustmaster or Logitech rim on it, run whatever shifter/pedals I had.
Totally viable, otherwise; stick with over-volting a logitech wheel and spend the money elsewhere imo.
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I just got my csl dd. Can’t wait to get back on iracing!!!