Excellent overview of the issues/potential remedies. I appreciate your demonstration of the locking out gears and using the M mode. I’ll start doing that in the campgrounds. Thanks for the shout out! Like you- I think coming from a diesel to the large gas engine is also part of why I’m feeling the difference in the engine/transmission combination. We’ve got another update coming up about our truck in a few weeks.
I owned a 2024 Chevrolet 2500 6.6 gas with 10 speed. Owned it for 1 year. Was in the shop 3 times for 28 days. The transmission was shifted hard very hard from 7th to 8th gear. When towing you would think you ran into something. Filled a case with GM. Never could get it fixed. GM had a service bulletin out about it . I got rid of it. I never want a 10 speed again. You shouldn’t have to make all those concessions to drive a truck.
What I'd like to see is either Ford or an aftermarket vendor come up with paddle shifters on the steering wheel. When towing I use Manual shift alot, especially going downhill. It would be so much easier using a paddle shifter than having to look at the shift lever buttons (which are usually hidden from sight by the steering wheel).
Newer transmissions in these trucks from Ford and GM have very tight torque converter stalls, so they want to go when the engine is at high idle. I have also gotten in the habit of letting the engine idle down a bit first before shifting into drive or reverse. When I shift into drive, I hold on the brakes for a few seconds to give the transmission time to pump fluid everywhere that needs it.
I've been driving a 23 F350 Gas for just over a year now and I can agree with everything you're sayin. Using manual shift and the progressive range selection to control the hunting at low speeds works. I also do this when driving hilly back roads at 45-55. The transmission wants nothing more than to be in 10th gear but the tools are there to manage that. The thwak, wak when starting sometimes was concerning but being more deliberate when I park the truck seems to help. I have not experienced the lurching on start up but if I don't wait for it to idle down before I put it in drive it will want to GO when I let off the brake.
A couple years back we had a F150 with the (then new) 10spd. It too would lurch during a cold start like you mention. Had it to the dealer a couple times and they claimed they couldn’t replicate it. Ended up selling the truck off shortly after that started, as I just couldn’t trust it to not fall into a gear (especially during a remote start or whatnot). It’s disturbing it’s happening to the Super Duty’s now too. I’m glad you’re able to work around it though!
@jessehines444 The parking gear in most transmissions isn't that strong. My wife wife drives a Subaru with a CVT so we got in the habit of using the parking break a long time ago. It shouldn't be necessary but it's an easy habit to get into after a few weeks. Thanks for watching.
What really bothers me is i have had a 7.3 with the 10 speed and now a 6.7 with the 10 speed and the 6.7 doesn’t really do any of the weird stuff like the 7.3 did. I do get a weird shift out of 3rd at times if I’m light on the throttle
Not too surprising to hear that I guess, The 6.7 makes it's torque at a lower RPM so I would imagine the 10 speed programming is completely different for the 10 speed when it's behind the Power Stroke. How many miles do you have on the 6.7 so far?
@@robertweller2662 7500 yeah i think the fact that it is always at 600 rpms on start up helps with engagement. I dont understand why ford can’t program the rpms to drop when u push the brake like the diesel does id it goes into high idle
I also have the 10r140...2020 F350 with 6.2L. Had the transmission replaced under warranty at 38K. I had the rough shift from R to D, especially when cold. Now I wait for the engine to idle down after start up, it shifts very smooth with no problems. It also gives the transmission time to warm up before driving. Good advice for others with 10R140 10 speeds.
I think when they added a bit of HP and Torque to the 7.3 in 2023 they also made adjustments to the transmission timing via the computer. Lot less reports of this from more recent trucks. I have a 2024 and don't have any of these issues.
That's good info. I wonder if Ford will put out a TSB allowing dealers to update / adjust programming on the 2020 - 2022 trucks. I am going to check into this. Thanks for watching and commenting.
My 2023 7.3 Tremor didn't do the hard engagement for the first 6 months, now, It does. It has always had an issue with placing the vehicle in park, shutting off the motor and then letting off the brake and the truck rolls forward and then engages resulting in a hard shaking stop that usually results in the truck rocking back and forth. It seems as though the parking lock pin is always 4 or 5 inches away from lining up and has to roll into it. I didn't get to listen to the whole video as I am at work (I own my business), so does Ford have a fix for these issues yet or not?
@@SteveShelton-hh4xt Not that I am aware of, check out the rest of the video when you get a few minute. I discuss the procedure I use with setting the parking break and shifting to neutral before Drive or Reverse. Thanks for watching.
Former Ford Auto Trans Tech: high idle exists because the truck needs to warm up. Once it’s warmed up properly, it idles down to operating idle. Regarding the trans lurch, it happens because people don’t realize that the weight of the vehicle is on the parking pawl of the transmission. Even a very slight incline will produce a lurch when all the weight is on that parking pawl. When parking, stop the truck, put on the parking brake, and then shift to park. When putting it back into gear, reverse that process. Problem solved.
@@markanderson7570 unfortunately it does seem to be the norm, not all owners share experiences but you can rest assured, we are not alone. Thanks for watching!
Not really sure about your shift from start theory. I have a 2020 F250 with Tremor package. Dealer replaced torque converter and fixed the issue. There is a definite problem with some of them though. I DO wait until RPMs drop and I DO set parking brake every time. Had bad shift points including coming to a stop at red light and truck staying in 10th gear. The only fix was to shut off truck and restart, then it would start in 4th gear. I have 1 more time in shop for a full replacement then I’m lemon lawing this thing. The reboot of transmission made things worse then they replaced guts which did fix issues. Now I’m just waiting for the last fix so I can ditch it. By the way I’m only at 36000 miles so there’s that. You shouldn’t have to go through all these “tricks” on a newer vehicle to make it work properly.
@@CR3WDUD3_OFFICIAL I’m sorry you are having all the trouble that you are. I have been there. In 2003 I bought a brand new Chevy Silverado. Tranny was junk from day one. I ended up getting it bought back under the Lemmon law. I did say in the video that there are some bad ones out there that need transmissions replaced. Obviously yours fits the bill. I also agree that for what we paid for these trucks that they should not require all these little tricks to make them work right. For that matter I would prefer a manual transmission, However, I and several people bought these trucks and now have to either figure out a way to get along with them or get rid of them. Being miserable and complaining about it won’t do me any good so I chose to try and make it work. Given what I have had good luck with, I thought it best to share my success to try and help others that may be encountering the same concerns. What I have suggested won’t help everyone and I know that but if I can help a few then that is a few more people that can move on with life and not have to live with things not working the way they should. Yours being a 2020 and the first year of the 10 speed is no doubt a big reason you are having all the issues. I purposely waited until the 3rd year of the 7.3 engine and the 10 speed transmission to buy one hoping I would avoid a lot of the problems. Good luck with yours. I hope they’re buy it back as it sounds like that is what needs to happen in your case. I hope your next truck performs better for you. Good luck and thanks for watching!
There really does need to be more people talking about how to actively drive an auto transmission while towing. Just adding a little more throttle before you get to a hill so cruise isn't reacting to speed lose helps alone, let alone downshifting. Basically all of the techniques that manual drivers where doing in diesels with less than 250hp.
@@PlaneSaddles I could not agree with you more. I drove manuals for a lot of years and towed with 3 gas trucks long before I owned my Dodge with the Cummins. Many people out there today have never driven a manual and it shows. Also, several people jumped on the diesel band wagon because it was cool and had never towed before in their life. Then they went out and bought trailers. Now some of those people are going back to gas and expecting it to tow like a diesel and it’s not going to. Gassers can tow just fine but you have to “Drive” them. Thanks for watching and for the comment. Good stuff!!
Do you ever have the problem of 1st gear holding until it gets to over 1000rpms before it shifts? Mine does it all the time regardless of if I'm being easy on the throttle or taking off rapidly. Also if I am hard on the throttle it will not shift from 3rd to 4th or 5th without delaying the shift. The truck will actually slow down before the shift even though the engine is still speeding up.
@@atvtinker01 I don’t believe I have had either of those things happen to mine. It acts a little sluggish when it’s cold but most automatic transmissions do.
@@robertweller2662 I work for a Tier 1 supplier on the Super Duty (P708) program. Ford does put the 10R100 & 10R140 behind the 7.3L. I suspect the transmissions act similarly as they are both 10 speeds; it is good that you have the heavy duty one.
@@danielking3611 I read that Ford came out with the 10R100 in 2023 to replace the 6R100 that was behind the 6.2 and that they were putting the new 10R100 behind the 6.8. If they are putting it behind the 7.3 too that is interesting. Either way, my Truck is a 2022 so it has the 10R140 and the 7.3. Thanks for watching and commenting.
It's the EPA and their emissions regulations. These trucks aren't forced to be EPA rated but they still have to meet emissions requirements and that's why Ford tuned this transmission to try to lug the engine so much.
@@phooesnax No not in most cases. The only surging I have ever really felt is when the truck is cold and I am being really light on the throttle. Once it’s up to temp no surging.
Had a 2021 Chevy 2500 6.6 gas , shifted hard and clunked into gear , hated it , bought a Ram 2500 ,best smoothest transmission I’ve ever owned, love it so far , 13k on it and I think it’s getting better if that possible.
@@CLin-f1m I think if we were given the choice of the 6 speed or the 10 speed, hands down we would all buy the 6 speed. However that is not an option for those buying a new truck at least not in any trim above a work truck. I don’t disagree with your statement but unfortunately there are not enough used trucks for sale to fill everyone’s needs and when buying new, you get what they offer so your suggestion is far from a practical one. But thanks for watching and for commenting!
@@TheShooter466 you are not wrong, unfortunately it is the reality we have to contend with so I hope my tips and tricks are helpful to many who just want to get along with their trucks. Thanks for watching.
@@pnwsocalfishing If they sold these trucks with manual option, I would have one. Raised both my kids and made them both learn to drive a manual for their first cars. Thanks for watching.
@@genehart261 To my knowledge the last HD truck made with a manual was the Dodge. Not sure if you could get the manual with a gasser or if only behind the diesel and not sure when they stopped offering it or if they still do.
@@michaeljordan4571 They are built to work. Mine is great when loaded. Driving empty seems to generate the majority of the drivability issues. Thanks for watching.
Excellent overview of the issues/potential remedies. I appreciate your demonstration of the locking out gears and using the M mode. I’ll start doing that in the campgrounds. Thanks for the shout out! Like you- I think coming from a diesel to the large gas engine is also part of why I’m feeling the difference in the engine/transmission combination. We’ve got another update coming up about our truck in a few weeks.
I owned a 2024 Chevrolet 2500 6.6 gas with 10 speed. Owned it for 1 year. Was in the shop 3 times for 28 days. The transmission was shifted hard very hard from 7th to 8th gear. When towing you would think you ran into something. Filled a case with GM. Never could get it fixed. GM had a service bulletin out about it . I got rid of it. I never want a 10 speed again. You shouldn’t have to make all those concessions to drive a truck.
What I'd like to see is either Ford or an aftermarket vendor come up with paddle shifters on the steering wheel. When towing I use Manual shift alot, especially going downhill. It would be so much easier using a paddle shifter than having to look at the shift lever buttons (which are usually hidden from sight by the steering wheel).
@hyracer6684 Here ya go buddy! Put a Raptor steering wheel in it and you'll have paddle shifters!
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Newer transmissions in these trucks from Ford and GM have very tight torque converter stalls, so they want to go when the engine is at high idle. I have also gotten in the habit of letting the engine idle down a bit first before shifting into drive or reverse. When I shift into drive, I hold on the brakes for a few seconds to give the transmission time to pump fluid everywhere that needs it.
@@hochhaul Thanks for watching and for the comment
💯 you need to take it easy. Firm brake press and let it do its thing
@@westnationallandscaping3731 thanks for watching
I've been driving a 23 F350 Gas for just over a year now and I can agree with everything you're sayin. Using manual shift and the progressive range selection to control the hunting at low speeds works. I also do this when driving hilly back roads at 45-55. The transmission wants nothing more than to be in 10th gear but the tools are there to manage that. The thwak, wak when starting sometimes was concerning but being more deliberate when I park the truck seems to help. I have not experienced the lurching on start up but if I don't wait for it to idle down before I put it in drive it will want to GO when I let off the brake.
@@coderedfit thanks for watching and for your comments
1:35 I do this to every automatic I ever had... the park prawl isn't designed to hold the vehicle... the parking brake is!
A couple years back we had a F150 with the (then new) 10spd. It too would lurch during a cold start like you mention. Had it to the dealer a couple times and they claimed they couldn’t replicate it. Ended up selling the truck off shortly after that started, as I just couldn’t trust it to not fall into a gear (especially during a remote start or whatnot). It’s disturbing it’s happening to the Super Duty’s now too. I’m glad you’re able to work around it though!
@jessehines444 The parking gear in most transmissions isn't that strong. My wife wife drives a Subaru with a CVT so we got in the habit of using the parking break a long time ago. It shouldn't be necessary but it's an easy habit to get into after a few weeks. Thanks for watching.
What really bothers me is i have had a 7.3 with the 10 speed and now a 6.7 with the 10 speed and the 6.7 doesn’t really do any of the weird stuff like the 7.3 did. I do get a weird shift out of 3rd at times if I’m light on the throttle
Not too surprising to hear that I guess, The 6.7 makes it's torque at a lower RPM so I would imagine the 10 speed programming is completely different for the 10 speed when it's behind the Power Stroke. How many miles do you have on the 6.7 so far?
@@robertweller2662 7500 yeah i think the fact that it is always at 600 rpms on start up helps with engagement. I dont understand why ford can’t program the rpms to drop when u push the brake like the diesel does id it goes into high idle
I also have the 10r140...2020 F350 with 6.2L. Had the transmission replaced under warranty at 38K. I had the rough shift from R to D, especially when cold. Now I wait for the engine to idle down after start up, it shifts very smooth with no problems. It also gives the transmission time to warm up before driving. Good advice for others with 10R140 10 speeds.
@@camlocker1 thanks for watching and for the feedback.
I think when they added a bit of HP and Torque to the 7.3 in 2023 they also made adjustments to the transmission timing via the computer. Lot less reports of this from more recent trucks. I have a 2024 and don't have any of these issues.
That's good info. I wonder if Ford will put out a TSB allowing dealers to update / adjust programming on the 2020 - 2022 trucks. I am going to check into this. Thanks for watching and commenting.
My 23 does weird stuff fairly often.
@@rockie307 sorry to hear that. Thanks for watching
My 2023 7.3 Tremor didn't do the hard engagement for the first 6 months, now, It does. It has always had an issue with placing the vehicle in park, shutting off the motor and then letting off the brake and the truck rolls forward and then engages resulting in a hard shaking stop that usually results in the truck rocking back and forth. It seems as though the parking lock pin is always 4 or 5 inches away from lining up and has to roll into it. I didn't get to listen to the whole video as I am at work (I own my business), so does Ford have a fix for these issues yet or not?
@@SteveShelton-hh4xt Not that I am aware of, check out the rest of the video when you get a few minute. I discuss the procedure I use with setting the parking break and shifting to neutral before Drive or Reverse. Thanks for watching.
Former Ford Auto Trans Tech: high idle exists because the truck needs to warm up. Once it’s warmed up properly, it idles down to operating idle. Regarding the trans lurch, it happens because people don’t realize that the weight of the vehicle is on the parking pawl of the transmission. Even a very slight incline will produce a lurch when all the weight is on that parking pawl. When parking, stop the truck, put on the parking brake, and then shift to park. When putting it back into gear, reverse that process. Problem solved.
@Vegasguy1975 correct, if you watch the video and listen, I stated that I shift to neutral and set the parking brake every time I park it.
Relieved that all this is “normal” love my 7.3 /10 spd just wasn’t sure if they all acted this way.
@@markanderson7570 unfortunately it does seem to be the norm, not all owners share experiences but you can rest assured, we are not alone. Thanks for watching!
@@robertweller2662had to have transmission replaced at 45k miles
This is a great video!
Not really sure about your shift from start theory. I have a 2020 F250 with Tremor package. Dealer replaced torque converter and fixed the issue. There is a definite problem with some of them though. I DO wait until RPMs drop and I DO set parking brake every time. Had bad shift points including coming to a stop at red light and truck staying in 10th gear. The only fix was to shut off truck and restart, then it would start in 4th gear. I have 1 more time in shop for a full replacement then I’m lemon lawing this thing.
The reboot of transmission made things worse then they replaced guts which did fix issues. Now I’m just waiting for the last fix so I can ditch it. By the way I’m only at 36000 miles so there’s that.
You shouldn’t have to go through all these “tricks” on a newer vehicle to make it work properly.
@@CR3WDUD3_OFFICIAL I’m sorry you are having all the trouble that you are. I have been there. In 2003 I bought a brand new Chevy Silverado. Tranny was junk from day one. I ended up getting it bought back under the Lemmon law. I did say in the video that there are some bad ones out there that need transmissions replaced. Obviously yours fits the bill. I also agree that for what we paid for these trucks that they should not require all these little tricks to make them work right. For that matter I would prefer a manual transmission, However, I and several people bought these trucks and now have to either figure out a way to get along with them or get rid of them. Being miserable and complaining about it won’t do me any good so I chose to try and make it work. Given what I have had good luck with, I thought it best to share my success to try and help others that may be encountering the same concerns. What I have suggested won’t help everyone and I know that but if I can help a few then that is a few more people that can move on with life and not have to live with things not working the way they should. Yours being a 2020 and the first year of the 10 speed is no doubt a big reason you are having all the issues. I purposely waited until the 3rd year of the 7.3 engine and the 10 speed transmission to buy one hoping I would avoid a lot of the problems. Good luck with yours. I hope they’re buy it back as it sounds like that is what needs to happen in your case. I hope your next truck performs better for you. Good luck and thanks for watching!
There really does need to be more people talking about how to actively drive an auto transmission while towing. Just adding a little more throttle before you get to a hill so cruise isn't reacting to speed lose helps alone, let alone downshifting. Basically all of the techniques that manual drivers where doing in diesels with less than 250hp.
@@PlaneSaddles I could not agree with you more. I drove manuals for a lot of years and towed with 3 gas trucks long before I owned my Dodge with the Cummins. Many people out there today have never driven a manual and it shows. Also, several people jumped on the diesel band wagon because it was cool and had never towed before in their life. Then they went out and bought trailers. Now some of those people are going back to gas and expecting it to tow like a diesel and it’s not going to. Gassers can tow just fine but you have to “Drive” them. Thanks for watching and for the comment. Good stuff!!
Do you ever have the problem of 1st gear holding until it gets to over 1000rpms before it shifts? Mine does it all the time regardless of if I'm being easy on the throttle or taking off rapidly. Also if I am hard on the throttle it will not shift from 3rd to 4th or 5th without delaying the shift. The truck will actually slow down before the shift even though the engine is still speeding up.
@@atvtinker01 I don’t believe I have had either of those things happen to mine. It acts a little sluggish when it’s cold but most automatic transmissions do.
Get rid of it now. They're trash.
Nice job on your review.
@anthonyknapp6219 Thank you and thanks for watching!
Do you have the 10R100 or 10R140 transmission?
@@danielking3611 Ford put the 10R140 behind the 7.3 Godzilla in 2022 which is what is in my truck
@@robertweller2662 I work for a Tier 1 supplier on the Super Duty (P708) program. Ford does put the 10R100 & 10R140 behind the 7.3L. I suspect the transmissions act similarly as they are both 10 speeds; it is good that you have the heavy duty one.
@@danielking3611 I read that Ford came out with the 10R100 in 2023 to replace the 6R100 that was behind the 6.2 and that they were putting the new 10R100 behind the 6.8. If they are putting it behind the 7.3 too that is interesting. Either way, my Truck is a 2022 so it has the 10R140 and the 7.3. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank you I'm going to try them all.
@mileshiles1287 I hope you find the solutions helpful. Thanks for watching
You shouldnt have to do all that in a truck that expensive.
@@danstennis1817 I agree, but it is what it is. Thanks for watching
That’s ridiculous for any vehicle!
It's the EPA and their emissions regulations. These trucks aren't forced to be EPA rated but they still have to meet emissions requirements and that's why Ford tuned this transmission to try to lug the engine so much.
Yep I agree
I agree
Any surging in 3 4 5?
@@phooesnax No not in most cases. The only surging I have ever really felt is when the truck is cold and I am being really light on the throttle. Once it’s up to temp no surging.
Had a 2021 Chevy 2500 6.6 gas , shifted hard and clunked into gear , hated it , bought a Ram 2500 ,best smoothest transmission I’ve ever owned, love it so far , 13k on it and I think it’s getting better if that possible.
Same here. And people just parrot what they’ve heard about the 68RFE….smh
Is your Ram 2500 diesel or gas?
@@svitozar8618 diesel.
@@slidewide1999 what year is it? Do you like it? How is the fuel economy?
@@svitozar8618 gas 6.4 , plenty of power to tow a 7000lb skid loader ,no problem.
Good lord, you can do all of that, or get a 6 speed put it in drive and go.
Stay away from the 10 speed. 19:49
@@CLin-f1m I think if we were given the choice of the 6 speed or the 10 speed, hands down we would all buy the 6 speed. However that is not an option for those buying a new truck at least not in any trim above a work truck. I don’t disagree with your statement but unfortunately there are not enough used trucks for sale to fill everyone’s needs and when buying new, you get what they offer so your suggestion is far from a practical one. But thanks for watching and for commenting!
It breaks well
@2024Trump_fan Sadly many of them due now days. Thanks for watching.
Stupid problem, shouldn't exist.
@@TheShooter466 you are not wrong, unfortunately it is the reality we have to contend with so I hope my tips and tricks are helpful to many who just want to get along with their trucks. Thanks for watching.
The one in my 23 f150 is not too good
@@phooesnax That is disappointing to hear. It sucks to know there are several of these out there that really are bad ones. Thanks for watching.
This is why i prefer manuals.
@@pnwsocalfishing If they sold these trucks with manual option, I would have one. Raised both my kids and made them both learn to drive a manual for their first cars. Thanks for watching.
Can't buy a new truck with a manual!
@@genehart261 To my knowledge the last HD truck made with a manual was the Dodge. Not sure if you could get the manual with a gasser or if only behind the diesel and not sure when they stopped offering it or if they still do.
2018 was the last year with a manual in the Cummins
@@93rt that’s a bummer
seems we need to treat these trucks like they are ponies, instead of work horses.
@@michaeljordan4571 They are built to work. Mine is great when loaded. Driving empty seems to generate the majority of the drivability issues. Thanks for watching.
Too much work for a truck I will sell in 4 years
Theyre junk