The point that most people don’t think about is the 4.30 will reduce the torque load on the transmission which will make it last much longer. True your mileage will be lower. I have a 4.30 gas and I get 13 mpg average. 17 mpg running empty on the highway at 75 mph and 10 mpg pulling a 6x12 ft box trailer.
@kb9knd Hey thanks for commenting, the whole mileage issue has so many variables, Elevation, terrain, speed, wind. Not to mention, you can take two or three identical trucks set up the exact same way and one will do better that the others just because a sensor somewhere is a little off the spec compared to the other vehicles. The putting less stress on the transmission idea is true to a certain extent. If a 4:30 truck and a 3:73 truck are identical in every way except gears and are both towing the same load in the same gear, the statement is true. However if I am pulling a 12,000 lb. load with 3:73 and in 7th gear in my transmission which is one to one and you are pulling that same 12,000 lb. load in your 4:30 truck both of us doing the same speed but you are in 9th or even 10th, your over drive gears are putting more stress on the transmission than my 7th gear with a one to one ratio. So yes if a 4:30 truck runs 7th gear it has some stress relieved compared to the 3:73 in 7th. However the big statement most 4:30 guys make is how they can tow in 9th or 10th gear. That is not an apples to apples comparison to 7th or 8th gear and 3:73 gear if doing the same speed. I hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching and for contributing to the conversation.
@@robertweller2662 I agree with you. Something else to consider, with regard to towing with the 4.30 in 9th and 10th gear, one look at the final drive ratios for the 4.30 and the 3.73 explains why this is happening with the 4.30 and not the 3.73, at least in theory. Simplifying the case to eliminate all variables except gearing, engine and tire size, let's look at the case of the 4.30 driver, who is having no problem towing a particular load with a particular truck on a particular terrain, and the 3.73 driver, who with everything else being equal, is not able to tow the same load under the same circumstances in 9th or 10th gear. With the 4.30, the final drive ratios are 2.95 for 9th, and 2.72 for 10th. At 60mph, that is 1796 rpm in 9th and 1652 rpm in 10th. For the 3.73, the final drive ratios are 2.56 for 9th, and 2.36 for 10th, which are significantly taller than the final drive ratios with the 4.30 in the same gears. At 60 mph, the 3.73 driver turns only 1558 rpm in 9th and 1433 rpm in 10th. In order for someone with a 3.73 to tow the same load at the same speed on the same terrain with the same truck as someone with the 4.30, they would need to drop down to 8th, where the final drive ratio is 3.17 for the 3.73 with 1930 rpm at 60 mph, and stay out of 9th and 10th with the 3.73 since those gears deliver final drive ratios that are too tall for towing this load with this truck on this terrain. Keep in mind that the 3.73 driver in 8th gear will have a shorter final drive ratio (3.17) and higher RPM (1930) as compared to the 4.30 driver in 9th gear (2.95 and 1796 RPM). This could be viewed as both a positive (stronger pulling) or a negative (higher RPMs and less MPG) for the 3.73. I hope this makes at least some sense. I'm not an engineer or some sort of rocket scientist by far, but to my basic mind this helps me wrap my arms around what is happening when 4.30 drivers tow in 9th and 10th and 3.73 drivers have difficulty doing so and must drop down to 8th (again, with everything else being equal!!).
@@StilettoSniperI don't know what made me come back to this vid and stumble across this comment but this was fantastic info! Honestly, the more stuff I read about how gearing and drive ratios and this 10-speed transmission all work, the more comfortable I am that I went with 3.73 gears. They really do seem like a very happy medium for someone who drives more miles unloaded than loaded. Sure, towing in 7th (or having to drop to 6th for a big incline) will put more stress on the trans, but that's not really going to matter much in the long run if you are not pulling close to max every other day. For a weekend warrior like myself, towing 12-13K lbs max no more than a dozen times per year, the higher ratio makes all the unloaded (or lightly loaded, BJs runs haha) miles more comfortable with drive and saves a bit of gas. I test drove two F350 Lariats that were nearly identical except for the gearing and I liked the way the 3.73s and trans worked together better, and that I got less or no wheel spin on take off at angles or off of loose ground vs the 4.30s. Case in point, these trucks were built to work, so if you're worried about putting a bit more stress on the trans by towing a year or two lower, maybe just get a diesel at that point.
@@SliderFury1 Hey thanks for replying to my comment. The interesting thing is that specifically in the example that you mentioned, if you are towing your load happily in 7th gear with an F350 7.3L with a 10R140 trans and 3.73 gears, there is a real strong possibility that someone with the same setup as you (including load and terrain) except for having 4.30 gears will be towing in 8th gear (which is an OD gear) to deliver approximately the same engine rpm and torque. Here's the data I am basing that on: 3.73 FD = 3.73 7th @ 60mph 2268rpm 70mph 2646rpm 4.30 FD = 3.66 8th @ 60mph 2225rpm 70mph 2595rpm (7th@60mph 2614rpm 7th@70mph 3050rpm) If you were to drop to 6th gear with the 3.73 gears for an incline, in my mind I'm thinking its possible a truck with 4.30 gears would have to use 6th as well to meet or exceed the level of torque provided with the 3.73 gears. 3.73 FD= 4.76 6th @ 60mph 2896rpm 70mph 3378rpm 4.30 FD= 4.30 7th @ 60mph 2614rpm 70mph 3050rpm (6th@60mph 3338rpm 6th@70mph 3895rpm) So if it is the potential "stress" that is the concern, if you are towing in 7th (which is 1:1) and someone with 4.30 gears is towing in 8th (which is an OD), in my non-expert opinion, I'm thinking that the drive train using an overdrive gear is experiencing a higher degree of "stress" versus the drive train using 1:1. Once again, I'm just an amateur at this, so if I am off-base I'm sure someone will point out my error. But this is how I see it at the moment in the specific example you gave.
I went from a 2008 Chevy Duramax to a 2022 Ford F350 7.3 with a 3.73 rear gears, and could not be more pleased. Originally I was looking at a F250, but in 2022 they only offered either a 4.30 or 3.55 rear end, but a F350 came standard with a 3.73. I use my truck to commute to work and pull a ~11K fifth wheel, it works great. The gas option also gives me almost twice the payload.
How do you get twice the payload? The 2024 F250 diesel (Tremor package) I was looking at had a payload of 2900+. I am not believing any F250 even 7.3 gas XL with no options is going to double that 2900+ payload. That would be more than a F350 dually.
Your experience is right in line with mine. My F250 was ordered by me, Feb of 22 recieved in April of 22. Sitting at 26000 roughly with a lifetime computer average on trip 2 of 11.6 mpg, trip 2 has not been reset since i recieved the truck with 3 miles on it so this is combined towing and highway milage. 7.3 with 4.30 gears 275 75 R20 (stock 34" michelin) I get 14-14.5 mpgs empty running 75-80 here in New Mexico, drop to 65-70 and it will get 14.5-15. Rpms with current tires 75mph is 2100 rpm . We pull a 34ft 5th at 10300 and add a Polaris Rzr on a single axle trailer about 1/2 the time we tow. I tow with all 10 gears available but remove 8-10 manually when approaching a big grade, 7th gear will pull most hills 6th with 4.30 gears is the sweet spot for most big grades. 6th puts me at 4000Rpms , peak torque is 4500. 65-70 towing yeilds 8 -9 mpg depending on wind and mountains. Worst was 6.5 into a 30mph head wind and gusts holding 70mph, this was a double tow with the sxs behind the 5th wheel.
@@nm04ford87 Thanks so much for commenting and for all the details. There really doesn’t seem to need to be a whole lot of difference between our experiences and that is very reassuring for anyone looking at a truck. It doesn’t, sound like getting a 4:30 is going to have much of a negative impact at all if you’re numbers on fuel are accurate. Thanks for watching and leaving your comment. Much appreciated!
@robertweller2662 The Mpgs are from the truck computer and I have checked it by hand a few times. The computer is always higher by .2-.5 mpg than hand calculated. Still much better than my 200,000 mile 04 F350 V10 gets.
It's good to hear from someone from NM also. I just returned to Albuquerque following a 3,300-mile trip to WA pulling a 7,000# loaded enclosed snowmobile trailer (with a RZR and other toys) and a 4,000# overhead camper in my current 2016 F350 dually 6.7 PS. We're towing similar loads. I averaged 9.8 mpg; and I stayed in the (bumpy) right lane all the way, as I was going 5 to mph below the speed limit. My partially deleted diesel (exhaust) almost left me stranded; and I was fortunate to get home. I've spent the past few days looking for a SRW 7.3 that will handle the 4,000#+ payload that I need for the truck camper / trailer combination I infrequently haul. There is only one 7.3 truck in all of Alb. worth looking at now; and the wait for a new ordered one is probably six months. I found a used one in another state that has everything I want (plus more), but my only reservation is that it has a 4.30 rear end. Your comments; and this video, have make me pull the trigger on buying this used (30,000 mile) 2022 F350 with a 7.3L godzilla engine. I've owned three Ford diesels over the past 30 years, and they have given me troubles. My old 2002 V-10 never gave me any troubles, but it didn't pull the mountains as good as the diesels have. We'll see how the 7.3 pulls the northern NM mountains, but I'm not in a hurry anyways. The 4.30 is needed here more than in Michigan and back east anyways. I appreciate the video, and of the comments herein.
Nice video! We have had good and bad experiences so far with our 7.3 and 10 speed overall. We've talked a out it on our channel. There are some things we love about the truck - and the 7.3 is pretty amazing.
I just traded my 2020 Ram 2500 Cummins for a 2024 Ford F-250 with the 7.3 Godzilla and 3:73 gears. I love the Ford, it has plenty of horsepower and torque, I don’t miss the Cummins at all. This Ford seems more refined and a more pleasant driver.
Thanks for the video! Currently enjoying my ‘22 F350 7.3 with the 3.73 gears and the big fuel tank. I agree with you on the emissions on diesels and it’s the reason I went with gas. All of my trips are local with the occasional highway trip. Typically maxed out on towing weight or just over with an equipment trailer and compared to a diesel it doesn’t set the world on fire but it’s more than adequate. Only issue I’ve had was a bad set of cats that were replaced under warranty and turnaround was quick. Still can’t get away from those damn emissions…
I think a lot of people worry to much about fuel economy in pickup trucks but there not economy cars there trucks lol yeah better economy is nice but not the reason i bought a truck i prefer the lowest rear axle ratio possible. That being said that 10 speed helps towing even if u have a higher gear ratio. good video bro 👍
@@trackpackgt877 If I did more towing than what I do, I would have stayed with the 4:30 gears too. Every truck I have owned since 2003 had had a 3:73 and I’ve never wanted more. At the time I placed my order there was little info on what RPM the 4:30 turned at highway speeds. All I could think to compare it to was the Chevy HD with the 6 liter gas and 4:10 gears with the 4 speed running 2500 on the highway and I didn’t want that. You are right though, the 10 speed makes up a lot no matter what gear you have. Thanks for watching and I appreciate your comment as well.
@@robertweller2662 yeah 3:73s are pretty good my F150 has 3.55s unfortunately. But with that 10 speed it got a steep first gear and close ratio so rear axle ratio isnt as important as it use to be. Not to mention massive amounts of torque modern trucks make today. Although i would still rather have 3.73 or 4.30 in my truck10th gear is only good for flat open highway and i live in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains so im locked in 9th most of the time when not towing. Appreciate the response and the info brother have a good weekend
I've had 4.30 gears on a dually with a diesel and it was awesome that pulling very heavy loads even through the mountains. If I was to get a Super Duty with the 7.3, I would still get the 430 gears but for a different reason: when the factory tires need to be replaced, I can put a leveling kit and 37-in tires on it with 5 minutes worth of trimming, and still have a 3.8- 3.9 gear ratio for heavy towing but have a very capable truck for off-roading when I'm not towing.
@@ApexNick Yes sir, another good reason to grab the 4:30 which is why it is the only gear they put in the Tremor. A lot of people out there don’t understand what happened to gear ratios when larger tires are installed. Thanks for watching
I've been stressing that I messed up not going with the 4.30 gears. I'll be towing 12-13K lbs max like 8-10 times per year and thought they would be overkill. My truck has 20 inch wheels and 34 inch tires. I might go to 35 inch tires. You're the first person I've seen on TH-cam that actually chnaged their order from the 4.30s to 3.73s and it's a relief to hear you talk about how it's fine. Great video.
@@SliderFury1 don’t stress about not having the 4:30’s. The 10 speed trans is a game changer. I looked up all the gear ratios of the 10 speed and compared them to the gears in my old Dodge. 1st and 2nd gear are lower than first was in the Dodge. So when I get to 3rd I’m in a gear equivalent to the old Dodge 1st gear. The 4:30 will give more grunt off the line but it also shortens the time you are in each gear. Once you’re rolling on the highway with the weight you are talking about towing, the biggest difference is what gear you’ll run at your cruising speed. If you think about for years they told us not to pull in overdrive. These trucks have 3 overdrives. A 4:30 will have you pulling in 9th and 10th. The 3:73 you’ll be in 7th and 8th. The 3:73 is a perfect gear for towing occasionally but still offers good drive ability and keeps the RPM’s lower at highway speeds. Enjoy that new truck!! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
Downsized boat to around 7000 lbs. I have a ‘22 6.7 diesel cc w/ 3.31 FD. Only has 9400 miles, I will order a 7.3 next month with the 3.73, I no longer need the diesel. Informative video, thank you Sir!
2024 7.3 3.73 mileage 14.1 city 17.2 highway 250super duty im very happy I just traded a 250 super duty 2021 stx 3.73 55.000 miles got 14.city 15.4 highway ecobost crap mileage it was a 6.2 letter eng but pulling a 67.00 camper it was struggling a bit I needed a little more power and I have it and better gas mileage I feel like a kid in a candy store I swear to God
We traded in 2016 6.7 PS with 331 gears for the 2024 7.3 GODZILLA with 373 gears . We were unable to keep the PS out of the shop every time we went out of town it broke down that’s 7 out 9 states we travel in. The most important thing to remember is that most gassers will give you 150k to 175k with no problem plus a creat motor installed is 10k then drive 150k to 175k that will give me 300k you have payed for DEF system +Tubro+ EGR maybe 2 turbos and your winning that i get 1-2 mpg less then you , with. The cost of the high output 12k -oil changes -fuel filters. it would take 40 years using cost per mile to break even provided you do loose your CP4 pump at 10 to 12k ….. sorry for the rant
@@vincehollingsworth8214 no apologies needed my friend. Exactly why I said I didn’t need or want a newer diesel. Sorry to hear about all the PS problems. I hope you get many good years of service from the 7.3. Well for that mater I hope we all do!! Thanks for watching and the comment too.
I'm about ready to do the exact same thing from a 2016 6.7 PS dually to a 2022 7.3 with a 4.30. My 6.7 has been in the shop a lot also. You make a great point about the crate engine. I never thought about that. I just paid over $600 for an oil and fuel filter change -- that will buy a lot of gas! This video has given me the assurance I need to finally dump the diesel for the 7.3, which meets my payload needs without going to a dually. Not having those two extra tires will also save some money for gas...
@@robertweller2662 The Godzilla is a great decision , i have gone 35000 miles in 2 months pulling a 11,000 lb TT and 9.4 mpg , I’ve learned to drop 9 + 10 gear while towing and there is no trans hunting and I’m running at 2200 rpm the beginning of the 475 tourk range thank you Vince
Good honest review, I went from 2017 F150 3.5 to 2022 F250 7.3 with 4.30 and get the same fuel economy towing the same load as the F150. At 74 mph it's turning 2200 rpm in 10th gear. Had 3.73 been available i would have been gotten it but im still pleased with the 4.30s. I think you are right that the biggest advantage with the 4.30s is starting off.
@tools4dummies The Tremor with it's larger 35 inch tires comes with the 4:30 and runs a little less RPM's. The problem I have is my 5th wheel is not really designed to be hauled by the taller trucks made today so I can't add any height to mine meaning larger tires are not an option. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
Great review! You have good experience to make an excellent, objective comparison. I am literally days away from buying a '24 7.3l F350. I will most likely get the 4.30 axle. I am the opposite of most drivers. I drive SLOW all the time. My primary concern is very low speed. I pull equipment trailers offroad a lot. Typically rough terrain. I am replacing a '01 7.3l diesel 6 speed manual, so the whole automatic trans experience will be new to me. Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective .
@@gustavsmith3398 Thanks for watching and for commenting. You are a prime candidate for have a real reason to get the 4:30 gears. There are days I wish I had them just because but I certainly do not need them. If you think about it, the tires and wheel sizes have gotten a lot larger than they used to be. In 1992 a 1/2 ton Chevy had a 15 inch wheel that truck today has a 17, 18 or 20 inch wheel. Granted they might have a shorter sidewall but in general they are bigger around than they used to be. Back then a 3:42 or 3:08 gear was standard and the 3:73 was the biggest offered from the factory. The 10 speed transmission really is a game changer and for guys like me that tow 5-7 times a year, the 3:55 or 3:73 behind the 10 speed is good enough. Enjoy that new truck!!
Good information. I have a 1997 F350 long box with the 7.3 Diesel engine. I run the truck mostly towing 5,500lbs with a small cargo trailer. About 6 times a year I tow a 12,000 lb 5th wheel Dunesport which is built to haul my 2004 Jeep wrangler. When the Jeep is in that toyhauler, my towing weight jumps up to the 17k range. So 12-17k. I’m on the highways pulling some good hills in the Cascades. I figured if a modified 1997 7.3 diesel with 4.10is good enough then a 7.3 gas with 4.30s and a way better transmission has got to be as good or better doing the same things. Rumor is there’s a High Output version of the gas 7.3L coming.
@@robertl9065 I had not heard about the high output 7.3 but it does not surprise me. Reports are the stock internals on the 7.3 can handle up to 1,000 HP. You will most definitely want the 4:30 gears for your application. The Ford towing chart says 3:73 gears are good up to 16,000 lbs. anything around 16k and up to 19k you better have the 4:30. If pulling a good neck the 4:30 is good up to 20k 5th wheel limited to 19k due to the 5th wheel hitch and attachment of it to the truck. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. If you like Jeeps, check out the other videos on my channel. We just went to Moab and rented a Jeep in May and did some trails. I posted a video each day, some are hiking some are off roading. We were pretty careful as it was a rental.
i owned diesels over 25yrs went back to gas i ordered my 2024 f350 with 4.30 gears lower gears make more torque in every gear dont shift as much as 3.73 you lose about 1 mile per gallon with lower gears only well driving empty 75 mph i run 2100 witch is fine i bought the truck for the best towing experience i tow between 5k-23k truck get is done and no not the same as a diesel but i didnt expect it to be but im tired of all the diesel shit and crazy cost i just put in gas and go good luck with yours
@@arlenboyer-v9v I’m right there with ya, all the same reasons I left the diesel world. Unless you really need one it’s gotten so hard to justify the cost. I wish I would have had the chance to tow with the 4:30 to see if it would have made much difference but my rig is maybe 12k fully loaded and well with in the ability of the 3:73. Love my truck! Thanks for watching and I appreciate your comment as well!
I'm from Northern Michigan I have a F350 4wd crew lariat ultimate sport with FX4 I'm running the 6.7 powerstroke I love it . Nothing to due with the trucks I have a 2016 Corvette Z06 with a manual transmission if I run on the expressway in 7th gear it's reving around 1300 rpms and gets in the high 20s in mileage running 75 miles a hour
@@phillipgarrow2297 That relates pretty well. Comparable to the 10 speed running low RPM’s in higher gears such as 9th and 10th while still having lower gears to make more power. Thanks for watching.
I agree, I went with a 2023 F250 with 6.8L and 3.73 gears. I tow a 7600 LB RV trailer and a small utility trailer and I tell ya, these gassers are great. Normally Empty 90% of the time and towing 10% of the time. I live in the South East and the areas i routinely go is within Texas to Florida so makes sense for me to go with gas. About gas stations - this is odd - I find the ones off the interstate don't fit all that well in, however if i scoot into town i can always find a gas station with a better pump arrangement. Id love to put an AUX or Transfer tank in but they are pricey for the gasoline.
@johnfertsch6839 the best option I have seen for a gasser is the 58 gallon tank made by transfer flow. But as you said, very pricey. I find if I behave myself and keep my speeds down, I can pull 7 to 8 MPG and figure on 30 gallons leaving me a 4 gallon reserve, my max range is 210 to 240 miles. Most of the places we camp are within that range so most of the time I can get there on one tank of fuel. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
I tried going from a diesel powerstroke back to a gas engine. Just dont like how the gas trucks pull so ended up going to a Cummins and tuning it and its a monster.
Gas trucks feel different towing for sure. I used to tow a smaller trailer with a 1/2 ton gasser. Switched to a 5.9 Cummins and loved it. Just not a fan of all the garbage they put on the new diesels. They are awesome towing machines though. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I bought an F250 with 7.3 / 3.55 gears in March of 2020. In the summer clear weather with no significant wind on a flat road in south GA unloaded I get 19.2 instantaneous at 55 mph and 16.4 instantaneous at 73 mph. Average trips from the Dublin area to Hilton Head if I stay on back roads and keep speed less than 63mph I get about 16.5 ish. That’s with some stop and go through towns and going onto HHI. If I take the interstate most of the way and keep to 73mph it’s about 16.0. I towed a 7600 lb Airstream from GA to San Diego and back and to Denver and back. Both trips in the summer staying at about 73mph for most of the trip. I had a 9.5 mpg average for the entirety of each trip.
I typically don’t lock out 10th unless it’s hunting and just let the transmission do its thing. The Airstream is better than most trailers aerodynamically. There were stretches on I-8 west of Phoenix I saw 12 mpg. But outside temps were over 100 that day and there was no significant wind. A couple of days earlier on that same trip I was fighting very strong headwinds and felt lucky to see 7 mpg. I found outside temperatures make a big difference in fuel mileage. Colder more dense air increases drag more than you’d think. My Hilton head trips are about 1.5 to 2 miles per gallon worse when temperatures are in the 40s or low 50s. Lower than that when it’s raining.
@@flamarlamb You are absolutely correct, temperature is a huge factor in many ways. Yes the Air Stream is probably the most aerodynamic travel trailer you can tow. Also, it is far lower profile than our fifth wheel which also makes is create less drag. Great info, thanks for watching and adding your experiences to the comments.
@GreatWhite-uw3db that is correct. I have looked at it many times. If I towed more frequently and longer distances I would probably cough up the cash. Right now most of our trips are short enough we don't have to stop. Thanks for watching.
@@johnmcalisterjr3913 Thank you, they are Armored Ridgeback lights. Wired to up fitter switch # 6 and set to be able to be on without the ignition on. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
@@robertweller2662I actually just did exactly this for my truck but with Race Sport lights! They have small extra LEDs sticking out the sides to give you some light on the peripherals too! The stock reverse lights are actually pretty good, but my issue was that they get mostly drowned out by the incredibly bright brake lights that turn everything red. With these extra reverse lights, it's back the other way and they drown out the brake lights.
Thinking about buying one next summer if I have the money. My girlfriend and I were wanting to travel the country. I know diesel operating/maintenance costs are high so I won't be doing that. As for the camper, I'm sure the smaller 6.2 V8 would probably be able to lug one around no problem, but they seem to lack low-end torque, so I was thinking the big V8 might be better suited for me. As for daily driving, gas costs shouldn't kick my ass too bad as my work is 5 min away from home. Does the 7.3 sound like a reasonable engine, or is it too much motor for what I'd need? But what a great comprehensive review, very well made
@@motormouth2472 I don’t have any experience with the 6.8 other than what I’ve seen and read. Honestly I don’t think you can really go wrong with the 7.3. Thanks for watching and for leaving a comment.
Thanks I appreciate it because I have a enclosed trailer. I need to upgrade my truck from a Toyota Tundra which I love but it can’t handle our trailer. I was looking at a Diesel, but the price point was a problem until now. I think the I will go with the Ford F350 with the Godzilla motor gas.
I purchased a 2019 F350 Extended-Cab Long Box with a 6.2 gasser/6-spd auto/4.30 axles. I pull a 15k lb horse trailer with it. 12mpg unloaded/7.6mpg pulling when driving at 65mph on the freeway. The difference in price/gallon of fuel versus the mpg of my '19 and my old F350 diesel is a wash - roughly the same outlay for fuel. My '19 pulls just as well as my old diesel. Would I consider a 7.3 gasser? No, not at all especially with the soft cams problems they've had.
I like a diesel but at about 12000. More. 12000÷3.55 a gallon for gas. == 3380 gallons of gas. Im getting a 7.3 w 3.73 ratio. An putting 37 inch tires on. 😊😊😊😊
I have a 2023 7.3 4.30 gears, and I tow a Brinkley Z3100. I am getting 7-8mpg towing. I don't go over 65mph. My next truck will be a long bed diesel for better towing through hills and not having to fight fueling at gas stations.
@myriadcorp That's a fairly heavy trailer when fully loaded and certainly warrants the 4:30 gears. Everyone seems to be in the 7-8 MPG range no matter the weight. I think the wind drag is more of an issue than the weight honestly. A diesel will be better in the hills due to the turbo. Just watch those EGT's. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
@@alseyb5198 I have a 350. Not sure what LB or SB means. The truck pulls it fine. I think the biggest problem would be towing in the mountains. I towed through AK which has some hills and it really had the engine roaring. I towed it on a long trip this summer and it did ok. I just hate having to get gas with the trailer in tow. Flying J has stations that have RV pumps which is like going through the truck lanes for diesel.
I plan on towing a 32’ 5th wheel. I also will be hauling a camper 3000 wet weight. Not at the same time of course. Which rear gears would work best under both applications? Thanks
@@RobinPagni What is the weight of the 5th wheel, are you likely to be pulling in the mountains, how often will you drive the truck and not pull anything and what speeds are you going to be driving regularly when unloaded? These are all factors. Bottom line you can probably go 4:30or 3:73 depending on the weight of the 5th wheel. If you are around the 12,000 lb mark like I am the 3:73 is good. If you tow all the time and rarely drive empty you could go 4:30. The 10 speed will make up for a lot.
They sound really good.. super happy without all the diesel bullshit.. F550 get 13 mpg empty in low winds , 8 mpg with a 4k loaded tall truck camper and 12k enclosed.. 4.88. 15 mpg out of a gas 350 is a miracle.. 1960 tech right there, took ford 60 years to come full circle.. Still had shitty plug wires!! Got to keep a set in the grove boxes.. Hard to beat that cold start, makes everybody just feel better... therapeutic. Wife bitchy?? just walk her around the back and hit the key!! NO more bitchy!
@@davidashcraft8259 the old 7.3 Power Stroke made 275 HP and 525 ft lbs of torque, the 7.3 Godzilla makes 430 HP and 475 ft lbs of torque. My old 2004 Ram with the 5.9 Cummins made 325 HP and 555 ft lbs of torque. With the 10 speed transmission and it’s extremely low 1st and 2nd gears, I feel the 7.3 Godzilla has just as much get up and go if not more. No regrets. Thanks for watching!
2003 F250 and F350 with the 6.0 Power stroke could have had a 3:73 or a 4:10 gear from the factory. An F250 and an F350 are essentially the same truck other than the springs and in some cases the rear end axle housings are different. In most cases, the 3/4 and 1 ton versions of these trucks only have minor differences, the largest of those being payload. The F350 payload on a 2022 F350 is 1,000 lbs or more higher than the F250 payload.
I’m looking at the 7.3 gas as a replacement for my 2021 Ram 1500. Main reason is the Ram cannot comfortably pull our 21’ camper on the highway. How does the 7.3 pull at highway speeds? Can it keep up with traffic?
@@Forestdawg1791 the 7.3 will blow your mind. No problem keeping up with traffic. I pass people with my 12,000 lb 35 foot fifth wheel behind me. Thanks for watching.
@@LH-yq8bh that’s interesting, I was just talking with the owner of a Tremor a week ago and he told me he is running 2200 at 70 mph. The Tremor with its 35 inch tires would run lower RPM’s. Perhaps he is running those RPM’s at 75 MPH.
I am running stock 33 inch tires. The 4.30 gears really start eating gas after 70 mph. The 4.30's do allow for 10th gear towing. I pull a 15k 5th wheel and pull in 10th most of the time which gets me about 8.5 mph on fairly level driving. Good video and needed info
@@LH-yq8bh what speed are you running while towing in 10th? I can get 8.5 on a flat two lane but need to keep speeds to 55-60. My fifth wheel isn’t that heavy but it has a box nose not a nice aerodynamic nose like many newer trailers.
I run 68 to 70 mph. I have heard that the 4.30 gears give better mpg at lower speeds than the 3.73 and 3.55 since many lock out 9 or 10. I can climb a slight hill in 10th. On the way to Florida on I-95 from VA I got 9 mpg by lieometer and 8.8 hand calculated.
Just came across your channel and I do live here in Michigan I live in Brandon Township...... tomorrow I am going to buy a or should I say going to zott Ford in Holly and I am going to order with my Ford discount a plan a 2024 Lariat gunship gray Tremor with the 4:30 rear end...... with about $18,000 $20,000 in options any suggestions
@@STATION26ADDISON what are you planning to tow? If you’re gonna tow a fifth wheel or goose neck get the F350. Other than that, your Tremor will be a higher trim level than mine so you’re gonna have most of what my XLT has and more. Get the up fitter switches and box lighting too.
@@robertweller2662 I should have mentioned that... I'm looking to get the F-350 Lariat Tremor and I have a dual axle equipment trailer for my plumbing company that is capable of holding 14k ...I normally don't haul that much but want it there just in case I need to use it
@@STATION26ADDISON good luck with your order and congrats on the new truck. Enjoy. Subscribe to my channel, I’ll be putting up more content on mine, shot a video today just now editing.
@michaeldavis8259 The F250 has 3:55's or the optional 4:30. I don't know for sure but I doubt a F250 gets much better mileage. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@elderrob I owned a LB for about 5 weeks and towed one time with it. The biggest difference to me was the fuel capacity. The SB has a little smaller turning radius obviously. The LB rides a touch better when empty. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
@@michaeldavis8259 15 best on a long trip speeds 65-75. Average driving back and forth to work mix of mostly highway some city more like 13. Thanks for watching!
The point that most people don’t think about is the 4.30 will reduce the torque load on the transmission which will make it last much longer. True your mileage will be lower. I have a 4.30 gas and I get 13 mpg average. 17 mpg running empty on the highway at 75 mph and 10 mpg pulling a 6x12 ft box trailer.
@kb9knd Hey thanks for commenting, the whole mileage issue has so many variables, Elevation, terrain, speed, wind. Not to mention, you can take two or three identical trucks set up the exact same way and one will do better that the others just because a sensor somewhere is a little off the spec compared to the other vehicles. The putting less stress on the transmission idea is true to a certain extent. If a 4:30 truck and a 3:73 truck are identical in every way except gears and are both towing the same load in the same gear, the statement is true. However if I am pulling a 12,000 lb. load with 3:73 and in 7th gear in my transmission which is one to one and you are pulling that same 12,000 lb. load in your 4:30 truck both of us doing the same speed but you are in 9th or even 10th, your over drive gears are putting more stress on the transmission than my 7th gear with a one to one ratio. So yes if a 4:30 truck runs 7th gear it has some stress relieved compared to the 3:73 in 7th. However the big statement most 4:30 guys make is how they can tow in 9th or 10th gear. That is not an apples to apples comparison to 7th or 8th gear and 3:73 gear if doing the same speed. I hope that makes sense. Thanks for watching and for contributing to the conversation.
@@robertweller2662 I agree with you. Something else to consider, with regard to towing with the 4.30 in 9th and 10th gear, one look at the final drive ratios for the 4.30 and the 3.73 explains why this is happening with the 4.30 and not the 3.73, at least in theory. Simplifying the case to eliminate all variables except gearing, engine and tire size, let's look at the case of the 4.30 driver, who is having no problem towing a particular load with a particular truck on a particular terrain, and the 3.73 driver, who with everything else being equal, is not able to tow the same load under the same circumstances in 9th or 10th gear.
With the 4.30, the final drive ratios are 2.95 for 9th, and 2.72 for 10th. At 60mph, that is 1796 rpm in 9th and 1652 rpm in 10th. For the 3.73, the final drive ratios are 2.56 for 9th, and 2.36 for 10th, which are significantly taller than the final drive ratios with the 4.30 in the same gears. At 60 mph, the 3.73 driver turns only 1558 rpm in 9th and 1433 rpm in 10th.
In order for someone with a 3.73 to tow the same load at the same speed on the same terrain with the same truck as someone with the 4.30, they would need to drop down to 8th, where the final drive ratio is 3.17 for the 3.73 with 1930 rpm at 60 mph, and stay out of 9th and 10th with the 3.73 since those gears deliver final drive ratios that are too tall for towing this load with this truck on this terrain. Keep in mind that the 3.73 driver in 8th gear will have a shorter final drive ratio (3.17) and higher RPM (1930) as compared to the 4.30 driver in 9th gear (2.95 and 1796 RPM). This could be viewed as both a positive (stronger pulling) or a negative (higher RPMs and less MPG) for the 3.73.
I hope this makes at least some sense. I'm not an engineer or some sort of rocket scientist by far, but to my basic mind this helps me wrap my arms around what is happening when 4.30 drivers tow in 9th and 10th and 3.73 drivers have difficulty doing so and must drop down to 8th (again, with everything else being equal!!).
@@StilettoSniperI don't know what made me come back to this vid and stumble across this comment but this was fantastic info!
Honestly, the more stuff I read about how gearing and drive ratios and this 10-speed transmission all work, the more comfortable I am that I went with 3.73 gears. They really do seem like a very happy medium for someone who drives more miles unloaded than loaded. Sure, towing in 7th (or having to drop to 6th for a big incline) will put more stress on the trans, but that's not really going to matter much in the long run if you are not pulling close to max every other day.
For a weekend warrior like myself, towing 12-13K lbs max no more than a dozen times per year, the higher ratio makes all the unloaded (or lightly loaded, BJs runs haha) miles more comfortable with drive and saves a bit of gas. I test drove two F350 Lariats that were nearly identical except for the gearing and I liked the way the 3.73s and trans worked together better, and that I got less or no wheel spin on take off at angles or off of loose ground vs the 4.30s.
Case in point, these trucks were built to work, so if you're worried about putting a bit more stress on the trans by towing a year or two lower, maybe just get a diesel at that point.
@@SliderFury1 Hey thanks for replying to my comment. The interesting thing is that specifically in the example that you mentioned, if you are towing your load happily in 7th gear with an F350 7.3L with a 10R140 trans and 3.73 gears, there is a real strong possibility that someone with the same setup as you (including load and terrain) except for having 4.30 gears will be towing in 8th gear (which is an OD gear) to deliver approximately the same engine rpm and torque. Here's the data I am basing that on:
3.73 FD = 3.73 7th @ 60mph 2268rpm 70mph 2646rpm
4.30 FD = 3.66 8th @ 60mph 2225rpm 70mph 2595rpm (7th@60mph 2614rpm 7th@70mph 3050rpm)
If you were to drop to 6th gear with the 3.73 gears for an incline, in my mind I'm thinking its possible a truck with 4.30 gears would have to use 6th as well to meet or exceed the level of torque provided with the 3.73 gears.
3.73 FD= 4.76 6th @ 60mph 2896rpm 70mph 3378rpm
4.30 FD= 4.30 7th @ 60mph 2614rpm 70mph 3050rpm (6th@60mph 3338rpm 6th@70mph 3895rpm)
So if it is the potential "stress" that is the concern, if you are towing in 7th (which is 1:1) and someone with 4.30 gears is towing in 8th (which is an OD), in my non-expert opinion, I'm thinking that the drive train using an overdrive gear is experiencing a higher degree of "stress" versus the drive train using 1:1.
Once again, I'm just an amateur at this, so if I am off-base I'm sure someone will point out my error. But this is how I see it at the moment in the specific example you gave.
I went from a 2008 Chevy Duramax to a 2022 Ford F350 7.3 with a 3.73 rear gears, and could not be more pleased. Originally I was looking at a F250, but in 2022 they only offered either a 4.30 or 3.55 rear end, but a F350 came standard with a 3.73. I use my truck to commute to work and pull a ~11K fifth wheel, it works great. The gas option also gives me almost twice the payload.
How do you get twice the payload? The 2024 F250 diesel (Tremor package) I was looking at had a payload of 2900+. I am not believing any F250 even 7.3 gas XL with no options is going to double that 2900+ payload. That would be more than a F350 dually.
Your experience is right in line with mine. My F250 was ordered by me, Feb of 22 recieved in April of 22. Sitting at 26000 roughly with a lifetime computer average on trip 2 of 11.6 mpg, trip 2 has not been reset since i recieved the truck with 3 miles on it so this is combined towing and highway milage. 7.3 with 4.30 gears 275 75 R20 (stock 34" michelin) I get 14-14.5 mpgs empty running 75-80 here in New Mexico, drop to 65-70 and it will get 14.5-15. Rpms with current tires 75mph is 2100 rpm . We pull a 34ft 5th at 10300 and add a Polaris Rzr on a single axle trailer about 1/2 the time we tow. I tow with all 10 gears available but remove 8-10 manually when approaching a big grade, 7th gear will pull most hills 6th with 4.30 gears is the sweet spot for most big grades. 6th puts me at 4000Rpms , peak torque is 4500. 65-70 towing yeilds 8 -9 mpg depending on wind and mountains. Worst was 6.5 into a 30mph head wind and gusts holding 70mph, this was a double tow with the sxs behind the 5th wheel.
@@nm04ford87 Thanks so much for commenting and for all the details. There really doesn’t seem to need to be a whole lot of difference between our experiences and that is very reassuring for anyone looking at a truck. It doesn’t, sound like getting a 4:30 is going to have much of a negative impact at all if you’re numbers on fuel are accurate. Thanks for watching and leaving your comment. Much appreciated!
@robertweller2662
The Mpgs are from the truck computer and I have checked it by hand a few times. The computer is always higher by .2-.5 mpg than hand calculated. Still much better than my 200,000 mile 04 F350 V10 gets.
It's good to hear from someone from NM also. I just returned to Albuquerque following a 3,300-mile trip to WA pulling a 7,000# loaded enclosed snowmobile trailer (with a RZR and other toys) and a 4,000# overhead camper in my current 2016 F350 dually 6.7 PS. We're towing similar loads. I averaged 9.8 mpg; and I stayed in the (bumpy) right lane all the way, as I was going 5 to mph below the speed limit. My partially deleted diesel (exhaust) almost left me stranded; and I was fortunate to get home. I've spent the past few days looking for a SRW 7.3 that will handle the 4,000#+ payload that I need for the truck camper / trailer combination I infrequently haul. There is only one 7.3 truck in all of Alb. worth looking at now; and the wait for a new ordered one is probably six months. I found a used one in another state that has everything I want (plus more), but my only reservation is that it has a 4.30 rear end. Your comments; and this video, have make me pull the trigger on buying this used (30,000 mile) 2022 F350 with a 7.3L godzilla engine. I've owned three Ford diesels over the past 30 years, and they have given me troubles. My old 2002 V-10 never gave me any troubles, but it didn't pull the mountains as good as the diesels have. We'll see how the 7.3 pulls the northern NM mountains, but I'm not in a hurry anyways. The 4.30 is needed here more than in Michigan and back east anyways. I appreciate the video, and of the comments herein.
@@joeluehring4676 The 4:30 is nothing to be afraid of. I think you will find the 7.3 to be far better than the V -10. Thanks for watching.
Nice video! We have had good and bad experiences so far with our 7.3 and 10 speed overall. We've talked a out it on our channel. There are some things we love about the truck - and the 7.3 is pretty amazing.
@@PurpleCollarLife I have watched and commented on your videos of your red truck. Thanks for stopping by the channel and for commenting.
I just traded my 2020 Ram 2500 Cummins for a 2024 Ford F-250 with the 7.3 Godzilla and 3:73 gears. I love the Ford, it has plenty of horsepower and torque, I don’t miss the Cummins at all. This Ford seems more refined and a more pleasant driver.
@@davidj2874 Nice and I agree on the Ford being more refined and overall better driving. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video! Currently enjoying my ‘22 F350 7.3 with the 3.73 gears and the big fuel tank. I agree with you on the emissions on diesels and it’s the reason I went with gas. All of my trips are local with the occasional highway trip. Typically maxed out on towing weight or just over with an equipment trailer and compared to a diesel it doesn’t set the world on fire but it’s more than adequate. Only issue I’ve had was a bad set of cats that were replaced under warranty and turnaround was quick. Still can’t get away from those damn emissions…
@@bjb3006 thanks for watching and for the comment. Glad you are enjoying the truck!
I think a lot of people worry to much about fuel economy in pickup trucks but there not economy cars there trucks lol yeah better economy is nice but not the reason i bought a truck i prefer the lowest rear axle ratio possible. That being said that 10 speed helps towing even if u have a higher gear ratio. good video bro 👍
@@trackpackgt877 If I did more towing than what I do, I would have stayed with the 4:30 gears too. Every truck I have owned since 2003 had had a 3:73 and I’ve never wanted more. At the time I placed my order there was little info on what RPM the 4:30 turned at highway speeds. All I could think to compare it to was the Chevy HD with the 6 liter gas and 4:10 gears with the 4 speed running 2500 on the highway and I didn’t want that. You are right though, the 10 speed makes up a lot no matter what gear you have. Thanks for watching and I appreciate your comment as well.
@@robertweller2662 yeah 3:73s are pretty good my F150 has 3.55s unfortunately. But with that 10 speed it got a steep first gear and close ratio so rear axle ratio isnt as important as it use to be. Not to mention massive amounts of torque modern trucks make today. Although i would still rather have 3.73 or 4.30 in my truck10th gear is only good for flat open highway and i live in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains so im locked in 9th most of the time when not towing. Appreciate the response and the info brother have a good weekend
I've had 4.30 gears on a dually with a diesel and it was awesome that pulling very heavy loads even through the mountains. If I was to get a Super Duty with the 7.3, I would still get the 430 gears but for a different reason: when the factory tires need to be replaced, I can put a leveling kit and 37-in tires on it with 5 minutes worth of trimming, and still have a 3.8- 3.9 gear ratio for heavy towing but have a very capable truck for off-roading when I'm not towing.
@@ApexNick Yes sir, another good reason to grab the 4:30 which is why it is the only gear they put in the Tremor. A lot of people out there don’t understand what happened to gear ratios when larger tires are installed. Thanks for watching
I've been stressing that I messed up not going with the 4.30 gears. I'll be towing 12-13K lbs max like 8-10 times per year and thought they would be overkill.
My truck has 20 inch wheels and 34 inch tires. I might go to 35 inch tires.
You're the first person I've seen on TH-cam that actually chnaged their order from the 4.30s to 3.73s and it's a relief to hear you talk about how it's fine. Great video.
@@SliderFury1 don’t stress about not having the 4:30’s. The 10 speed trans is a game changer. I looked up all the gear ratios of the 10 speed and compared them to the gears in my old Dodge. 1st and 2nd gear are lower than first was in the Dodge. So when I get to 3rd I’m in a gear equivalent to the old Dodge 1st gear. The 4:30 will give more grunt off the line but it also shortens the time you are in each gear. Once you’re rolling on the highway with the weight you are talking about towing, the biggest difference is what gear you’ll run at your cruising speed. If you think about for years they told us not to pull in overdrive. These trucks have 3 overdrives. A 4:30 will have you pulling in 9th and 10th. The 3:73 you’ll be in 7th and 8th. The 3:73 is a perfect gear for towing occasionally but still offers good drive ability and keeps the RPM’s lower at highway speeds. Enjoy that new truck!! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
Great video. I loved my 21 F250 7.3. It was a great motor and loved the sound and performance.
Can't wait till mine comes in ordered Saturday I am definitely over do 2001 Tahoe to a 2024 F250 7.3 Godzilla 😊
@@toddreeder3082 I went from a 2004 Ram 2500 to a 2022 Super Duty. It’s a nice upgrade for sure. Enjoy and thanks for watching
Downsized boat to around 7000 lbs. I have a ‘22 6.7 diesel cc w/ 3.31 FD. Only has 9400 miles, I will order a 7.3 next month with the 3.73, I no longer need the diesel. Informative video, thank you Sir!
@@Kris-es6cw thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
My 73 is an absolute animal
2024 7.3 3.73 mileage 14.1 city 17.2 highway 250super duty im very happy I just traded a 250 super duty 2021 stx 3.73 55.000 miles got 14.city 15.4 highway ecobost crap mileage it was a 6.2 letter eng but pulling a 67.00 camper it was struggling a bit I needed a little more power and I have it and better gas mileage I feel like a kid in a candy store I swear to God
Ecoboost??? That was never in a super duty lmao
We traded in 2016 6.7 PS with 331 gears for the 2024 7.3 GODZILLA with 373 gears . We were unable to keep the PS out of the shop every time we went out of town it broke down that’s 7 out 9 states we travel in. The most important thing to remember is that most gassers will give you 150k to 175k with no problem plus a creat motor installed is 10k then drive 150k to 175k that will give me 300k you have payed for DEF system +Tubro+ EGR maybe 2 turbos and your winning that i get 1-2 mpg less then you , with. The cost of the high output 12k -oil changes -fuel filters. it would take 40 years using cost per mile to break even provided you do loose your CP4 pump at 10 to 12k ….. sorry for the rant
@@vincehollingsworth8214 no apologies needed my friend. Exactly why I said I didn’t need or want a newer diesel. Sorry to hear about all the PS problems. I hope you get many good years of service from the 7.3. Well for that mater I hope we all do!! Thanks for watching and the comment too.
I'm about ready to do the exact same thing from a 2016 6.7 PS dually to a 2022 7.3 with a 4.30. My 6.7 has been in the shop a lot also. You make a great point about the crate engine. I never thought about that. I just paid over $600 for an oil and fuel filter change -- that will buy a lot of gas! This video has given me the assurance I need to finally dump the diesel for the 7.3, which meets my payload needs without going to a dually. Not having those two extra tires will also save some money for gas...
@@robertweller2662 The Godzilla is a great decision , i have gone 35000 miles in 2 months pulling a 11,000 lb TT and 9.4 mpg , I’ve learned to drop 9 + 10 gear while towing and there is no trans hunting and I’m running at 2200 rpm the beginning of the 475 tourk range thank you Vince
Good honest review, I went from 2017 F150 3.5 to 2022 F250 7.3 with 4.30 and get the same fuel economy towing the same load as the F150. At 74 mph it's turning 2200 rpm in 10th gear. Had 3.73 been available i would have been gotten it but im still pleased with the 4.30s. I think you are right that the biggest advantage with the 4.30s is starting off.
put a inch or two taller tire help bro b those rpms down
Transmission will live a lot longer with the 4.30s. Bigger those gears the less strain on everything in front of them.
@@BrandonBigB956 your not wrong but there are pros and cons to anything like that
@@tools4dummies almost all my towing is back roads 55 mph speeds so 4.30s work for me.
@tools4dummies The Tremor with it's larger 35 inch tires comes with the 4:30 and runs a little less RPM's. The problem I have is my 5th wheel is not really designed to be hauled by the taller trucks made today so I can't add any height to mine meaning larger tires are not an option. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
Great review! You have good experience to make an excellent, objective comparison.
I am literally days away from buying a '24 7.3l F350.
I will most likely get the 4.30 axle. I am the opposite of most drivers. I drive SLOW all the time. My primary concern is very low speed. I pull equipment trailers offroad a lot. Typically rough terrain. I am replacing a '01 7.3l diesel 6 speed manual, so the whole automatic trans experience will be new to me.
Thanks for taking the time to share your perspective .
@@gustavsmith3398 Thanks for watching and for commenting. You are a prime candidate for have a real reason to get the 4:30 gears. There are days I wish I had them just because but I certainly do not need them. If you think about it, the tires and wheel sizes have gotten a lot larger than they used to be. In 1992 a 1/2 ton Chevy had a 15 inch wheel that truck today has a 17, 18 or 20 inch wheel. Granted they might have a shorter sidewall but in general they are bigger around than they used to be. Back then a 3:42 or 3:08 gear was standard and the 3:73 was the biggest offered from the factory. The 10 speed transmission really is a game changer and for guys like me that tow 5-7 times a year, the 3:55 or 3:73 behind the 10 speed is good enough. Enjoy that new truck!!
Good information. I have a 1997 F350 long box with the 7.3 Diesel engine. I run the truck mostly towing 5,500lbs with a small cargo trailer.
About 6 times a year I tow a 12,000 lb 5th wheel Dunesport which is built to haul my 2004 Jeep wrangler. When the Jeep is in that toyhauler, my towing weight jumps up to the 17k range. So 12-17k. I’m on the highways pulling some good hills in the Cascades.
I figured if a modified 1997 7.3 diesel with 4.10is good enough then a 7.3 gas with 4.30s and a way better transmission has got to be as good or better doing the same things.
Rumor is there’s a High Output version of the gas 7.3L coming.
@@robertl9065 I had not heard about the high output 7.3 but it does not surprise me. Reports are the stock internals on the 7.3 can handle up to 1,000 HP. You will most definitely want the 4:30 gears for your application. The Ford towing chart says 3:73 gears are good up to 16,000 lbs. anything around 16k and up to 19k you better have the 4:30. If pulling a good neck the 4:30 is good up to 20k 5th wheel limited to 19k due to the 5th wheel hitch and attachment of it to the truck. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
If you like Jeeps, check out the other videos on my channel. We just went to Moab and rented a Jeep in May and did some trails. I posted a video each day, some are hiking some are off roading. We were pretty careful as it was a rental.
i owned diesels over 25yrs went back to gas i ordered my 2024 f350 with 4.30 gears lower gears make more torque in every gear dont shift as much as 3.73 you lose about 1 mile per gallon with lower gears only well driving empty 75 mph i run 2100 witch is fine i bought the truck for the best towing experience i tow between 5k-23k truck get is done and no not the same as a diesel but i didnt expect it to be but im tired of all the diesel shit and crazy cost i just put in gas and go good luck with yours
@@arlenboyer-v9v I’m right there with ya, all the same reasons I left the diesel world. Unless you really need one it’s gotten so hard to justify the cost. I wish I would have had the chance to tow with the 4:30 to see if it would have made much difference but my rig is maybe 12k fully loaded and well with in the ability of the 3:73. Love my truck! Thanks for watching and I appreciate your comment as well!
I'm from Northern Michigan I have a F350 4wd crew lariat ultimate sport with FX4 I'm running the 6.7 powerstroke I love it . Nothing to due with the trucks I have a 2016 Corvette Z06 with a manual transmission if I run on the expressway in 7th gear it's reving around 1300 rpms and gets in the high 20s in mileage running 75 miles a hour
@@phillipgarrow2297 That relates pretty well. Comparable to the 10 speed running low RPM’s in higher gears such as 9th and 10th while still having lower gears to make more power. Thanks for watching.
I agree, I went with a 2023 F250 with 6.8L and 3.73 gears. I tow a 7600 LB RV trailer and a small utility trailer and I tell ya, these gassers are great. Normally Empty 90% of the time and towing 10% of the time. I live in the South East and the areas i routinely go is within Texas to Florida so makes sense for me to go with gas. About gas stations - this is odd - I find the ones off the interstate don't fit all that well in, however if i scoot into town i can always find a gas station with a better pump arrangement. Id love to put an AUX or Transfer tank in but they are pricey for the gasoline.
@johnfertsch6839 the best option I have seen for a gasser is the 58 gallon tank made by transfer flow. But as you said, very pricey. I find if I behave myself and keep my speeds down, I can pull 7 to 8 MPG and figure on 30 gallons leaving me a 4 gallon reserve, my max range is 210 to 240 miles. Most of the places we camp are within that range so most of the time I can get there on one tank of fuel. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
I tried going from a diesel powerstroke back to a gas engine. Just dont like how the gas trucks pull so ended up going to a Cummins and tuning it and its a monster.
Gas trucks feel different towing for sure. I used to tow a smaller trailer with a 1/2 ton gasser. Switched to a 5.9 Cummins and loved it. Just not a fan of all the garbage they put on the new diesels. They are awesome towing machines though. Thanks for watching and commenting.
2019 F250 with 6.2gas I tow 40' fifth wheel, 16.000 on flat road I get 12mpg and this over 50k of towing
I wish they had kept the 6.2 around.
I have a 7.3 in my F450 12 ft bed utility/concrete truck. I am getting the same gas mileage as my 2013 F250 on 40's w/ 4.30 gears 6.2 gas. Who knew?
I bought an F250 with 7.3 / 3.55 gears in March of 2020. In the summer clear weather with no significant wind on a flat road in south GA unloaded I get 19.2 instantaneous at 55 mph and 16.4 instantaneous at 73 mph. Average trips from the Dublin area to Hilton Head if I stay on back roads and keep speed less than 63mph I get about 16.5 ish. That’s with some stop and go through towns and going onto HHI. If I take the interstate most of the way and keep to 73mph it’s about 16.0. I towed a 7600 lb Airstream from GA to San Diego and back and to Denver and back. Both trips in the summer staying at about 73mph for most of the trip. I had a 9.5 mpg average for the entirety of each trip.
That's doing pretty good and better than most I would bet. Speed is a huge factor. Thanks for watching.
I typically don’t lock out 10th unless it’s hunting and just let the transmission do its thing. The Airstream is better than most trailers aerodynamically. There were stretches on I-8 west of Phoenix I saw 12 mpg. But outside temps were over 100 that day and there was no significant wind. A couple of days earlier on that same trip I was fighting very strong headwinds and felt lucky to see 7 mpg. I found outside temperatures make a big difference in fuel mileage. Colder more dense air increases drag more than you’d think. My Hilton head trips are about 1.5 to 2 miles per gallon worse when temperatures are in the 40s or low 50s. Lower than that when it’s raining.
@@flamarlamb You are absolutely correct, temperature is a huge factor in many ways. Yes the Air Stream is probably the most aerodynamic travel trailer you can tow. Also, it is far lower profile than our fifth wheel which also makes is create less drag. Great info, thanks for watching and adding your experiences to the comments.
There is a 58 gal. Tank replacement for the short bed with a 7.3 gasser cost I’ve seen around 2700-3000
@GreatWhite-uw3db that is correct. I have looked at it many times. If I towed more frequently and longer distances I would probably cough up the cash. Right now most of our trips are short enough we don't have to stop. Thanks for watching.
I like your custom back up lights
@@johnmcalisterjr3913 Thank you, they are Armored Ridgeback lights. Wired to up fitter switch # 6 and set to be able to be on without the ignition on. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
@@robertweller2662I actually just did exactly this for my truck but with Race Sport lights! They have small extra LEDs sticking out the sides to give you some light on the peripherals too!
The stock reverse lights are actually pretty good, but my issue was that they get mostly drowned out by the incredibly bright brake lights that turn everything red. With these extra reverse lights, it's back the other way and they drown out the brake lights.
Thinking about buying one next summer if I have the money. My girlfriend and I were wanting to travel the country. I know diesel operating/maintenance costs are high so I won't be doing that. As for the camper, I'm sure the smaller 6.2 V8 would probably be able to lug one around no problem, but they seem to lack low-end torque, so I was thinking the big V8 might be better suited for me. As for daily driving, gas costs shouldn't kick my ass too bad as my work is 5 min away from home. Does the 7.3 sound like a reasonable engine, or is it too much motor for what I'd need? But what a great comprehensive review, very well made
@@motormouth2472 I don’t have any experience with the 6.8 other than what I’ve seen and read. Honestly I don’t think you can really go wrong with the 7.3. Thanks for watching and for leaving a comment.
Thanks I appreciate it because I have a enclosed trailer. I need to upgrade my truck from a Toyota Tundra which I love but it can’t handle our trailer. I was looking at a Diesel, but the price point was a problem until now. I think the I will go with the Ford F350 with the Godzilla motor gas.
@tonycleveland5043 Solid option for what you'll be doing. I don't think you will regret it. Thanks for watching.
I purchased a 2019 F350 Extended-Cab Long Box with a 6.2 gasser/6-spd auto/4.30 axles. I pull a 15k lb horse trailer with it. 12mpg unloaded/7.6mpg pulling when driving at 65mph on the freeway. The difference in price/gallon of fuel versus the mpg of my '19 and my old F350 diesel is a wash - roughly the same outlay for fuel. My '19 pulls just as well as my old diesel. Would I consider a 7.3 gasser? No, not at all especially with the soft cams problems they've had.
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I like a diesel but at about 12000. More. 12000÷3.55 a gallon for gas. == 3380 gallons of gas. Im getting a 7.3 w 3.73 ratio. An putting 37 inch tires on. 😊😊😊😊
I have a 2023 7.3 4.30 gears, and I tow a Brinkley Z3100. I am getting 7-8mpg towing. I don't go over 65mph. My next truck will be a long bed diesel for better towing through hills and not having to fight fueling at gas stations.
@myriadcorp That's a fairly heavy trailer when fully loaded and certainly warrants the 4:30 gears. Everyone seems to be in the 7-8 MPG range no matter the weight. I think the wind drag is more of an issue than the weight honestly. A diesel will be better in the hills due to the turbo. Just watch those EGT's. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
Curious what your biggest problem with towing the Brinkley. Also are you LB or SB
Also 350 or 250?
@@alseyb5198 I have a 350. Not sure what LB or SB means. The truck pulls it fine. I think the biggest problem would be towing in the mountains. I towed through AK which has some hills and it really had the engine roaring. I towed it on a long trip this summer and it did ok. I just hate having to get gas with the trailer in tow. Flying J has stations that have RV pumps which is like going through the truck lanes for diesel.
@@myriadcorp LB long box SB short box
With 10 close ratios, the final drive doesn't really matter when cruising. The 4.3 is just to help you get going off the line better.
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Yeah, I was thinking about the 17 or the first year of those came out with the 5.4 L and six speed I have experience rebuilding those engines
@@terrellscaife2411 The 17 would have come with the 6.2 Boss or the 6.7 Power Stroke. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I plan on towing a 32’ 5th wheel. I also will be hauling a camper 3000 wet weight. Not at the same time of course. Which rear gears would work best under both applications? Thanks
@@RobinPagni What is the weight of the 5th wheel, are you likely to be pulling in the mountains, how often will you drive the truck and not pull anything and what speeds are you going to be driving regularly when unloaded? These are all factors. Bottom line you can probably go 4:30or 3:73 depending on the weight of the 5th wheel. If you are around the 12,000 lb mark like I am the 3:73 is good. If you tow all the time and rarely drive empty you could go 4:30. The 10 speed will make up for a lot.
They sound really good.. super happy without all the diesel bullshit.. F550 get 13 mpg empty in low winds , 8 mpg with a 4k loaded tall truck camper and 12k enclosed.. 4.88. 15 mpg out of a gas 350 is a miracle.. 1960 tech right there, took ford 60 years to come full circle.. Still had shitty plug wires!! Got to keep a set in the grove boxes.. Hard to beat that cold start, makes everybody just feel better... therapeutic. Wife bitchy?? just walk her around the back and hit the key!! NO more bitchy!
@@mrpositive3887 lol, good stuff, thanks for watching!
Solid information :)
@Tailwind1 Thanks!
My 2022 F-250 7.3 is 16.4 MPG
@@cooperautosales at what speed?
@@robertweller2662 less then 70 mph
I haven’t looked at the specs but I guess the new 7.3 gas has more power than my old 2000 7.3 l diesel
@@davidashcraft8259 the old 7.3 Power Stroke made 275 HP and 525 ft lbs of torque, the 7.3 Godzilla makes 430 HP and 475 ft lbs of torque. My old 2004 Ram with the 5.9 Cummins made 325 HP and 555 ft lbs of torque. With the 10 speed transmission and it’s extremely low 1st and 2nd gears, I feel the 7.3 Godzilla has just as much get up and go if not more. No regrets. Thanks for watching!
I have a 03 6 liter and it gets 19.5 on the highway, so I know the gears are a little different from the F350 just not sure how much?
2003 F250 and F350 with the 6.0 Power stroke could have had a 3:73 or a 4:10 gear from the factory. An F250 and an F350 are essentially the same truck other than the springs and in some cases the rear end axle housings are different. In most cases, the 3/4 and 1 ton versions of these trucks only have minor differences, the largest of those being payload. The F350 payload on a 2022 F350 is 1,000 lbs or more higher than the F250 payload.
I’m looking at the 7.3 gas as a replacement for my 2021 Ram 1500. Main reason is the Ram cannot comfortably pull our 21’ camper on the highway. How does the 7.3 pull at highway speeds? Can it keep up with traffic?
@@Forestdawg1791 the 7.3 will blow your mind. No problem keeping up with traffic. I pass people with my 12,000 lb 35 foot fifth wheel behind me. Thanks for watching.
It bothers me they named another 7.3 a 7.3. The 7.3 should have stayed synonymous w the 7.3 diesel.
You're wrong on the 4 30 gears. At 70 mph I and all owners report 1900 rpms
@@LH-yq8bh that’s interesting, I was just talking with the owner of a Tremor a week ago and he told me he is running 2200 at 70 mph. The Tremor with its 35 inch tires would run lower RPM’s. Perhaps he is running those RPM’s at 75 MPH.
Thanks for watching and commenting, I appreciate the feedback and will remove that section of the video.
I am running stock 33 inch tires. The 4.30 gears really start eating gas after 70 mph. The 4.30's do allow for 10th gear towing. I pull a 15k 5th wheel and pull in 10th most of the time which gets me about 8.5 mph on fairly level driving. Good video and needed info
@@LH-yq8bh what speed are you running while towing in 10th? I can get 8.5 on a flat two lane but need to keep speeds to 55-60. My fifth wheel isn’t that heavy but it has a box nose not a nice aerodynamic nose like many newer trailers.
I run 68 to 70 mph. I have heard that the 4.30 gears give better mpg at lower speeds than the 3.73 and 3.55 since many lock out 9 or 10. I can climb a slight hill in 10th. On the way to Florida on I-95 from VA I got 9 mpg by lieometer and 8.8 hand calculated.
Just came across your channel and I do live here in Michigan I live in Brandon Township...... tomorrow I am going to buy a or should I say going to zott Ford in Holly and I am going to order with my Ford discount a plan a 2024 Lariat gunship gray Tremor with the 4:30 rear end...... with about $18,000 $20,000 in options any suggestions
@@STATION26ADDISON what are you planning to tow? If you’re gonna tow a fifth wheel or goose neck get the F350. Other than that, your Tremor will be a higher trim level than mine so you’re gonna have most of what my XLT has and more. Get the up fitter switches and box lighting too.
@@robertweller2662 I should have mentioned that... I'm looking to get the F-350 Lariat Tremor and I have a dual axle equipment trailer for my plumbing company that is capable of holding 14k ...I normally don't haul that much but want it there just in case I need to use it
@@STATION26ADDISON good luck with your order and congrats on the new truck. Enjoy. Subscribe to my channel, I’ll be putting up more content on mine, shot a video today just now editing.
I wonder what the mileage is and F2 50s with the same motor ?
@michaeldavis8259 The F250 has 3:55's or the optional 4:30. I don't know for sure but I doubt a F250 gets much better mileage. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I tow 11k, 40' GN. Does anyone have an opinion of how the SB 7.3 tows vs the LB?
@elderrob I owned a LB for about 5 weeks and towed one time with it. The biggest difference to me was the fuel capacity. The SB has a little smaller turning radius obviously. The LB rides a touch better when empty. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
What is your mileage for just the truck with no camper on the highway?
@@michaeldavis8259 15 best on a long trip speeds 65-75. Average driving back and forth to work mix of mostly highway some city more like 13. Thanks for watching!
@@lynwessel2471 7.3 Godzilla? I was thinking the 6 speed only came behind the 6.2 V-8
@@robertweller2662 Oops my bad, 6.2