Producer 🎧🎹🎚️🎛️💻🎼Tiers: 🐐🤴: Dr Dre, DJ Premier, Marley Marl, DJ Quick, Timbaland, Neptunes, Alchemist, RZA, JDilla, Kanye West A1🥇: Pete Rock, Q-Tip, Havoc, Hit Boy, Madlib, No ID, 9th Wonder, El-P, Daringer, Harry Fraud A2🥈: Zaytoven, Metro Boomin, Mike Will Made It, TM88, Southside, ATL Jacob, Murda Beatz, Hitmaka, A3🥉 Swizz Beatz, Just Blaze, Trackmasters, Mannie Fresh, DJ Paul, Drumma Boy, DJ Mustard, Cool N DRE, Shawty Redd, Lil Jon
This is why we are starting to see a rise in the rapper/producer. A lot of these cats probably started as producers and were getting tired of getting played and mistreated by these rappers
I feel like it's the other way around. I feel like rappers learn how to produce so they don't have to share money with producers and/or worry about having to deal with the rightful headache that comes with stealing beats. But honestly, it's probably a bit of both your theory and mine.
@@futuristic.handgunobviously biased, but in my personal experience, and with friends i’ve spoken to, and some notable industry examples, the producer to vocalist pipeline is larger than the vocalist to producer pipeline. But take that with a grain of salt, because I obviously don’t know everyone or their stories.
My brother produces beats, sold some beats, but yeah it sucks. I watch how rappers and others try to essentially steal some of his beats, or try to shaft him. I didnt realize how crazy that world was until I chilled with my brother in his studio
As a SoundCloud shitshow artist I always want the producer to know it’s being used even if it’s free I can still let them know cause if they fucks with it their community might fuck with me
@@startervisionsI mean xxxtentacion literally stole beats in his early days lmao I love his music but he took “plus walk” and made it “ILOVEITWHENTHEYRUN”
As a independent beat maker, i learned you often have to prove yourself and work with rappers who not only fit your sound well, but have great business as well... its a few in between doe🤦🏿♂️💯
@joquanrowsey7370 So what you just said tells me alot about what you actually know about production. if you have a messy soundscape and a horribly mixed track it does not matter .No Rappers worth spit will rap on it.I can tell you just be making stuff and have never produced for anyone. Poorly made beats on top of the Beat being trash anyway equals complainers like you and no one giving you credit from not having a resume.How old are you 15? Lol
My heart goes out to TH-cam producers making type beats, very often people just steal their beats and make an album with no rapping on it, pretending like they produced it all. It's messed up
@@joesizzle10 If they're not free, how did they get them? I didn't pay to watch THIS video... How are they "original" by trying to be "type" beats? Concept is alien to me - I just make hip hop as I see fit... If I want "DJ Muggs" I'll pay for it
@@darrengordon-hillJust because they make beats in the style of something doesn't mean that they aren't original. And just because you don't pay to use TH-cam doesn't mean that if you take and use somebody's beat on here without permission that it isn't theft, because it is.
@darrengordon-hill after making a couple of type beats myself, I'll tell you that not everyone has the initial idea of a beat to be in a specific style of an artist. Most donot just sit down to make a mac miller type beat or a joey badass type beat. It more so they just make a beat and name it a type beat for marketing purposes. That where the originality lies.
@@W4TSKY no offense, but how do you make enough money to live right now?? also what software should i start with if i wanna make music? like personal projects that include vocals and mixing and everything (ie. pitch correction)
I quit making cover art because or rappers. They’re all broke, dude wanted me to make a cover art using a photo of him holding a stack of cash. But couldn’t afford to pay for it afterwards. The irony was strong with that one, I wouldn’t even charge more than $70 for cover art sometimes. Depending on the idea and how long it would take me to make it.
Accurate. I've been a producer for 20+ years, have worked with Legends in the game and I'm still not making a living off the beats. You gotta really love the craft to continue at that point. A Producer's Union would be a great thing to have for sure but also an Artist Union would only be fair. Too many pioneers out there not making a Penny off their contributions to Hip-Hop. Im all for this
this is why i think producers should just release their beats as standalone songs. forget selling it to a rapper or singer. become a standalone artist. alot of producers already do this. i think it'll become more and more common as the years go on
Production will forever be the most important part of any song. I’m sorry, it’s just true . No matter how essential the artists performance is to the song, that song and the way people remember it would not exist without the music behind it. Melodies are usually created because the production came first. It’s hilarious the amount of listeners that think that artists magically do everything. Most artists wouldn’t be shit without their producers. Producers deserve all the recognition and more.
@@jjjjjj3423I think this is a really good example of why producing sucks - Ray Croc actually came on board with the real mcdonald’s, Maurice & Richard McDonald, slowly pushed them out of the business, and started lying that he’s the founder until people forgot who really made McDonalds. Point being - Rappers are the Ray Croc of Mcdonalds; acting like they made McDonalds while letting the real creators die in obscurity (the producers etc.); all the while the Label Records are Mcdonald’s themselves
@@Nemo71340 your basing the actions of less then 1% off all Jewish people and saying thats how most do business most Jewish people arent rich business men so how do most Jewish people rip people off your just a bigot ... like adolf
This is why when you enter ANY creative industry (like music, graphic design, illustration, sound design, etc...) you not only need to perfect your skills but also the business side of things. You need to make a name by yourself while using every opportunity you have to try and reach different sources of income (for that you need to research the market and the target audience). Studying things like: "What do audience/costumer want?", "What this product is and isn't?", "What other options do I have available?", etc...
Makes me sad. Instead of focusing on art everyone is focusing on how to monetize the art and what the audience will pay for. That's dumb. Real artists should create art no matter the expectations and the audience should decide for themselves if they like it or not. To focus on business means less time to focus on art and fans. It makes me hella mad tbh. Everyone is screaming for attention but I don't feel like any of them deserve it tbh
@@johnnyterra1309 Art historically was always a business, you can ask Mozart or Michaelangelo. Art should always generate income, because without incime you can't eat. And yeah, some of the best art ever is genuine and personal, but there's no reason to not make great art, while also getting paid for it.
As a producer myself, I just want people to get credit Like the amount of times people talk about great producers and they haven’t heard of “Alchemist”, “Cardo”: Even “Zaytoven” is astounding Especially when they know songs they produced!
Cardo used samples Minor2Go did and he never mentions him. Songs like Deadz by Migos are great loops with simple drums. I remade that beat in 5 minutes.
Serious pointers, I've always made sure my producers get their credit though at times they may not have registered their stuff I did it, and have linked them to it just in case I get big out of nowhere.
Right now, I been making beats for the past couple years & I agree wholeheartedly that beat makers always get the end of the stick. As producers, we should all stick together. 🔥
Back in the SoundCloud days I remember listening to real layed back shit at the time and I ran into this producer named Potsu's catalog on their. I loved all of his beats, but I wrote to one of them a song called Cinderella. My engineer got in contact with him and bought me the beat and I recorded it and left it in the vault until the time was right since I wanted to drop a little project. Bruh not but 7 months later XXXtentacion drops Jocelyn Flores which had the same beat as the Cinderella song I recorded. I was like, "bruh am I buggin'?"
The waiting to get paid thing make me straight up quit making music for some years. I produced a track on an album for a really big artist, and it took me almost 5 years to get paid. And when the label cut the check I was still shorted a crazy amount of money. Hip hop producers get the least amount of respect
I worked on an album for an artist signed on a major label. He pissed off the label and they shelved everything. When I tried to get the money they still owed they said, take us to court and see if you can get it without spending it on lawyers. That was the final straw for me.
Is the waiting to get paid part because the label charges the fee it took to clear your samples to your future royalty earnings? So you only get paid after the label has recouped the money they spent on sample clearance or is it something else
Word that’s why I just started rapping on my own stuff and doing it for fun. More likely to blow up that way if I wanted to. I got a group of friends and we just finna in on music that way everyone can work and get better and maybe blow.
Nowadays they do most of the work. The engineers and producers literally slice up, pitch correct, and arrange so much bullshit and turn it into something special. Without them, there's a lot of incoherent, while high, garbage.
I was just saying to my brother the other day that records need to start saying something like “21 Savage ft Metro Boomin” or something. Because not only do producers not get proper credit a lot of the time, they really be carrying records out here. A lot of these “hit” songs are greatly aided by the production.
I think the lack of credit producers get is also part of life in the streaming era. I'm all for producers getting credit for their work and getting paid but back before streaming when there was physical product, people did read the production notes for the album. No physical product means no production notes unless there's a Wiki entry somewhere. So the producer gets used and tossed aside. But I do like your idea to help restore credit to the producers of saying something like "21 Savage ft Metro Boomin."
Problem is then everyone will have a metro ft the way beats are sold and passed around or chopped. You may not want your name tied to everyone that raps on you track.
It’s interesting seeing this video because I mostly listen to regatón and most people also know the producer and the producer gets credit alongside the artist. Not only that, but most of the time the singer shouts out the producer. This is how I know of Tainy, Sky Rompiendo, Eladio Carrion, Bizarrap, and Mambo Kings
@@ahmedfiasco6412 cause you dont get paid unless you get really lucky and blessed to have an artist blow up AND credit you AND pay you. 99% of the time, most yt producers do not make nearly enough to live off of unfortunately even tho there are some really talented ones
Dr. Dre is a producer. Timbaland is a producer. Pharrell is a producer. J Dilla is a producer. DJ Premier is a producer. A music producer is to a song what a movie director is to a movie, he is supposed to have a vision of how the project goes and instructs the artist on how to execute it. In the case of Hip-Hop, making beats doesn’t exactly make you a producer, it makes you a beat-maker, which is more aligned with being a songwriter. A songwriter that writes the lyrics is a lyricist and a songwriter that composes the music is a composer. And we all know the music industry has a long history of screwing over songwriters who don’t know the business well. If Hip-Hop creatives that make beats and send them out to be utilized by rappers at their discretion but aren’t in the studio controlling the music and how everything is performed, they can’t really call themselves a producer, and that’s part of why and how they get taken advantage of. It’s very unfortunate. Young artists, please learn the business so you get the credit due to you.
Yeah I like that you distinguished difference between a beat maker and a producer, producers like dr dre will make you to formulate the song as per their vision
All the dudes you mention charge between $250,000 and $1,000,000 per songs!! Dr. Dre, Kanye West, Pharrell Williams and Timbaland are the most expensive in the industry but well worth the money for any artist, because of their reputation, dopeness, perfectionism, etc.
@@izamalcadosa2951but they earned their sucess until getting to that point When Pharrell and Timbaland were working in the 1st Justin Timberlake album, they were not earning 250k per song at all Everybody has a beginning 🤷🏻♂️
This is why freestyle is kind of important as it proves to me the rapper has actual talent without having a beat to help give the rapper flow. So happy that producers are starting to get their due.
It's such an oversaturated market that people like Metro, Madlib, Kanye, Alchemist, and many others stand out today. In addition, so much production sounds similar that you almost have to work overtime just to have your own sound.
Its over saturated with bs music. The reason why you think people sound the same is that they are using the same bs loops and bs packs. They cant create new s***! Any musician can easily destroyed all these bs producers with a sound. Because most producers arent musicians. So they arent creative like musicians.
It´s not easy. There were so many good Producers and today nobody knows them anymore and they had even a lot of number 1 Hits, just a couple years ago. At the end of the day it´s, fuck the money and do what you love with a passion.
Hip Hop Producer here...shit does indeed suck. Worked with platinum selling artists who have never paid for beats and dropped the songs with no credit whatsoever. Managed to get a Gold Plaque for my biggest record but only after hiring a lawyer and borderline suing for the credit I deserved. What makes matters worse, the other PRODUCERS on the record were the ones that tried to get me outta there. I make electronic music now.
Almost all of the superstar producers have their own brand identity outside of the music they produced. Many became rappers/singers, got brand deals and created their own fanbases. Pharrell understood that as part of the game.
also there’s more of a performance aspect to it and most hip hop producers aren’t looked at for doing live shows. that’s why kaytranada has a nice blueprint that doesn’t get spoken on a lot.
Producing is levels harder than being a lyricist, no matter how you spin it. Producing is like learning an instrument which is harder than singing or rapping. but rap fans are so blinded by the status of a rapper that they refuse to accept that a song only bangs because of the beat, very few MCs have a voice that makes the song, but their status makes niqqas weak in the knees and be praising them
As a producer/beatmaker I disagree. Making beats especially nowadays is so much easier then ever before. I rap and make beats and making beats is much easier then writing raps
@@JEFFMAN90I disagree bc a bad beat ruins a song more than bad lyrics ruins a song. I go to Playboi Carti. Niggas don’t know what he’s saying half the time but his beats keep his fan base (me included) coming back for more (his flow also plays a MASSIVE ROLE)
@@ficus3929 Not true there is an entire genre based on what amounts to instrumental hip hop. The difference is it has to have structure to it as opposed to a hip hop beat which just basically loops itself with little to no overall progression.
no it isn't. you are biased in your own direction. and the human voice is the oldest instrument, one that people have been developing a body of skills in for centuries.
keep working don’t stop this shit not fa the weak roll w the punches and keep yo business on point you’ll look up one day n most likely be in a solid position ♻️♻️
This is crazy cause producers don't need rappers. EDM is huge. These producers could make it on their own, but these rappers could not. No one wants to hear spoken word rap 😂
I would say if a hip hop producer wanted to go their own way then trip hop is the most obvious choice. Think like DJ Shadow, Prefuse73, Nujabes and the like. But you right, rappers need producers far more than producers need rappers.
I'm about to comment# 408, lol. But seriously, the game has changed and there's a lot of room to argue the overall evolution in the music business to where we are now in the streaming era is a big part of how the behind the scenes guys are left to fend for themselves. In years past we had physical media like tapes and CDs and they all listed the producers and writers in the production notes, without physical media those notes no longer exist unless the rapper has a Wiki entry and it details the production notes. My advice to producers/beatmakers who want to focus on the behind the scenes work instead of having to be a rapper/producer, either start your own team/label and develop it yourself or hookup with an existing team or label - Almost every established label has an in-house producer, back in the day Master P and No Limit had Beats by the Pound, CashMoney had Mannie Fresh, Death Row had Dre for a minute along with Daz, Aftermath at one point not only had Dre but Dre brought in Scott Storch. Labels are dying so the rap game is a one man band show but if you can hookup with a label or start your own label, do it. If you start your own label focus on co-branding as much as possible, one example I have is DJ Squeeky down in Memphis with his label Mo Chedda Records where he created compilations for his label to help get his name out there and help him get work as a producer (he has a Young Dolph gold certification to his name now), but it also helped him sign more guys, make their stuff, and further get his name out there while also profiting from their sales as the label owner and producer. In this day and age there's no excuse for you not have some degree of understanding of music business.
It’s really simple, make sure you’re a company sole prop, LLC, etc and not just a ‘beat maker’. Take the street out of the beat and get paid for your intellectual property as a professional business owner. The artists, labels, companies deal with businesses with much more respect as the regulations that govern them offers protections over a simple promise of a future homey hook up💯
The love of creation is the only reason anybody stays. There are easier ways to make money and to get notoriety but not one of them are anywhere near as rewarding. The love I have for music is the only thing keeping me going. I'm off to make my next instrumental.
Thats my thought process as well. I enjoy creating pieces inside a DAW wishing I had played some form on instrument growing up for the love of music. Im satisfied making a decent sale I can use to invest or eat off of but when I make the music it has to be for that reason (the enjoyment).
As a producer who mostly makes instrumental stuff, it always rubs me the wrong way when I show people my music, which I've put my heart and soul into, only for them to see it as a beat they think they can just use. Most people I know don't see it for what it actually is. Especially annoys me when I've produced a track for someone from scatch, engineered, mixed and mastered it just for them to take all the credit afterwards. From my experience, most people look at my music as some kind of commodity rather than MY own ART and it's honestly depressing sometimes.
You need to protect your beats. Upload them to digital stores, and get an ISRC code. If someone takes them without payment, you will know. They either pay you, or it can easily get taken down. Also discuss terms, percentages, etc., before each studio session. Get them to also sign a split sheet. You never know which song will become a hit, and if it does, you should get your rightful share.
@@GodTalkinShhh people worshipping celebrities to an unhealthy extent. Giving our new elite (not just rappers but the entertainment industry plus other personalities) insane amounts of power over their lives only to be bled for every cent they can give. Sometimes I find it funny that people get so appalled about how the new royalty treat them like servants and peasants. Sorry if I offended your king or queen or whatever yapping
I think the biggest issue is the difference between beat makers and music producers. Beat makers just make the beat while the producers can take a beat of their choice and do major changes to it and they don’t have to pay for it either.
beatmakers are producers. if you bought a song from a beatmaker he will be credited as a the producer! Beatmakers still have to arrange the song and add efx and stuff.
@@ChrisN-hs7dhNot all beat makers do that tho. Some just provide the beat, or the foundation for it, then it gets into the hands of the actual producer, who will (at the least) oversee mixing, arranging, etc.
Shout out to my fellow producers! I agree with Sonny Digital that rappers on XXL covers should be pictured alongside the producers who helped get them there.
I’ve been a DJ for 10 yrs and started producing 2 yrs ago and honestly I have so much respect for producers and I’m so mad for y’all! For someone to take your art to put their wack ass lyrics over it without permission is beyond disrespectful. I pray things change swiftly ! We all need to be more business savvy too, to avoid these situations smh
@@knos360I make music for myself. But other artists just pick generic beats to hop on now. No creativity or innovation. Even calling myself out cause I be making generic stuff too just to cater to local artists. I produced for a lot of Local artists from Toronto so I guess my perspective is not mainstream enough. Im just talking about newer producers and artists because now the industry beats just suck imo. I feel like mainstream producers are too many doing the same thing and thats is what is makin hiphop slow down really. Im both an artist and producer and engineer, editor, actor, director.
U gotta find the right prod. I constantly experiment with my production but typically ppl think its "too complicated" to rap on since most rap niggas get comfortable doing one style
@prod.bykhanjii2636 How do you experiment with no one on the Beat? Who is telling you what you have is any good? Are you the one telling yourself how good your stuff sounds?
@PRODJUN I'm Glad you are being realistic but you sound very experienced with the industry. Most of the dudes complaining are just at home dudes making music and then mad they don't get credit even tho they have nothing to show for.when your beats are hot people want to get on them.
scabs would fill the void same with artists lots of nobodies with tons of talent willing to be scabs id rather be a scab and make it big then a producers union that wouldnt make me 100s of thousands of dollars
To all my fellow producers, let me put you on free game. 1. Always have a legal-binding contract when doing business. 2. Payment is king. Do not buy into bullshit. 3. Focus on the craft, not the gear. 4. Be disciplined, not desperate...protect your brand. 5. Know your artists like a doctor knows a patient. 6. BE ADDICTED TO THE SKILL, NOT THE LIFESTYLE. Read the last one as many times you need to until it's permanent. Better to have 1 reliable artist than 50 who are gonna lowball and plagiarize. If they stole before, what makes you think they won't steal from you? You have to work smart to survive.
crazy that this is the first video i've seen on this topic of all the videos i've watched in this corner of yt. and he brought up unionization?? hell yeah
I love what you do man, HipHopMadness is my favorite TH-cam channel. That being said, I'm not a fan of when/how you choose to reference Mac Miller. I understand the relevance of the example used in the video, but the only other time I've seen a reference of Mac on the channel is in video thumbnails, and in those videos, you don't even mention him. Regardless on how you feel about him, two things are certain: he had an impact on the culture and he died tragically young. I ain't mad, I would just like to hear you say something positive about the man and what he was able to accomplish. Much love.
it's also really shitty how they took the intro clip out of context, he was trying to sort it out with them but they kept yelling and being unreasonable so his team backed him out of it
Respectfully man idk who yall are working with but majority of people that buy my beats don't make shit from streams maybe its cause im in south africa but the only time I get something is when they feature some upcoming buzzing artists on their songs here and there
@@Transport4ThatDumpTruck start selling beats to talented artists around you for free and sign artists and market them and push ur content further to radio, t.v, You tube, podcast, Performance,shows, interview people will know you and can't a avoid you cause ur everywhere.
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It works alot differently now than like in the 90s or so. Back in the day upcoming Rappers and upcoming Producers would often come up together often knowing each other or a Producer would be directly hired from a label or Rapper. Nowadays with all of the online beats, it is easy for the original beatmaker to get lost in the sauce. Combine that with a lower budget to make Albums it is very easy for a Producer to not get paid or even ignored altogether. I had a chance to go to an Industry Rapper's studio back in the day. They had CDs and Cds of beats. This was right before having a whole library of beats online era, so I imagine now there being plenty of beats where the original owner might even being difficult to locate.
Bruh ive been a producer for a while . Ive worked with major to underground artist and indeed its not for the weak-hearted. Alot of sheisty artists and other producers out here
I'm a producer, but I also got my business right, Not only do I make your beat, I usually need to be in the studio with you to direct you on how to spit on that beat. If I'm not, I'm doing adlibs on it or its going through me for release. I also release my instrumentals that are songs, so if someone wants to use them, It'll automatically flag the beat as mine.
I’m a platinum/Grammy winning producer. It’s not easy to make a living as a producer but it makes sense because the world doesn’t have that much demand for beats. It has much more demand for medical innovation or food etc. Music in itself is a niche, music producers are a niche inside that niche. We shouldn’t expect the world to give us what we want just because we make art. Nothing works that way. If you want to enter the field of business you have to know how to do business not art.
As a young rapper as well as a producer, I really hate how they basically don’t get any pay or credit. It’s honestly sad how much rappers disrespect the people who literally made their songs possible.
this industry is a joke, you're better off having an actual career job and producing on the side, it's too unreliable and underpaid...like how are you waiting 18 MONTHS TO GET PAID?? How do you survive like that? this shit doesn’t happen anywhere BUT entertainment...
It’s hard, people will block you, make it hard for you to connect to people, and once you finally make it to people who might actually do something with your music, often producers are scammed around this time, it’s not for the weak, you gotta be willing to risk a lot
This is why I’m hesitant to post beats on YT, I work with a few artists very closely and curate their entire sound. But yea, it sucks because most artists feel they can find another producer anywhere. Producers kinda have to have the same mentality and it sometimes kills the creative vibe
Just wanted to spread the word that JPEGMAFIA stole the beat for "real nega" from an 18 year old kid and his justification was that the dude didnt respond quick enough. Peggy even went on to tell a fake ass story of how he was inspired to sample stuff in the beat HE DIDNT MAKE. He told the kid to k*ll himself, dissed him at a show, and still has "prod. Peggy" on the notes for the song.
The Producer Union always get talk about but you got to think about. it's always going to a up and coming beat maker that going to take whatever it's put in there face that don't have anything that's why building your own brand as a producer is important
I feel like producers should do like Khaled, work with bunch of rappers put em on your beats than put that out as an album. I think it'd be sweet great producer's linking with bunch of great rappers and following producers who beats I like...wait isn't this already how it go?
They should lease the beats out and make the lease term based on tours, sales, and streams. That way they retain ownership of the beat and can always pull the song if not happy. I guess first register the beat as yours with the government. It is a crazy idea but we shooting from the hip right. Better than unionizing in my opinion.
@@jasonanderson5034 I still don't understand how a producer doesn't get paid for their services. I can't see Average Joe making music in his mom's basement getting screwed over
As a Hip Hop lover and amateur musician I truly love producer they made the Genre what it is from the just Blazes to Kanye and Pharrell’s justice league track masters DJ primer and all those other Genius’s
Producer 🎧🎹🎚️🎛️💻🎼Tiers:
🐐🤴: Dr Dre, DJ Premier, Marley Marl, DJ Quick, Timbaland, Neptunes, Alchemist, RZA, JDilla, Kanye West
A1🥇: Pete Rock, Q-Tip, Havoc, Hit Boy, Madlib, No ID, 9th Wonder, El-P, Daringer, Harry Fraud
A2🥈: Zaytoven, Metro Boomin, Mike Will Made It, TM88, Southside, ATL Jacob, Murda Beatz, Hitmaka,
A3🥉 Swizz Beatz, Just Blaze, Trackmasters, Mannie Fresh, DJ Paul, Drumma Boy, DJ Mustard, Cool N DRE, Shawty Redd, Lil Jon
Madlib is in goat tier
Pete Rock & Madlib >>>> DJ Quick & Marley Marl
You have some in bronze who are definitely gold. Mike will made it is definitely gold too. And finally how tf do you have Just Blaze and not Bink?
Your opinion
Cardo?
This is why we are starting to see a rise in the rapper/producer.
A lot of these cats probably started as producers and were getting tired of getting played and mistreated by these rappers
I feel like it's the other way around. I feel like rappers learn how to produce so they don't have to share money with producers and/or worry about having to deal with the rightful headache that comes with stealing beats. But honestly, it's probably a bit of both your theory and mine.
@@futuristic.handgunobviously biased, but in my personal experience, and with friends i’ve spoken to, and some notable industry examples, the producer to vocalist pipeline is larger than the vocalist to producer pipeline. But take that with a grain of salt, because I obviously don’t know everyone or their stories.
Yo Pierre you wanna come out here? 😂
Where I’m from engineers are worth more than producers , u can thank TH-cam for fucking up the game
And some rappers need to stop that. Too many of them that are both beats sound the same, never change their rhythm, or use the same instruments
My brother produces beats, sold some beats, but yeah it sucks. I watch how rappers and others try to essentially steal some of his beats, or try to shaft him. I didnt realize how crazy that world was until I chilled with my brother in his studio
Word, producers are so important
Your main clients are rappers, not that surprising
@marshallbeck9101 it's part of the culture...diss tracks, battle raps, beat jacks...been like this since the 80's
As a SoundCloud shitshow artist I always want the producer to know it’s being used even if it’s free I can still let them know cause if they fucks with it their community might fuck with me
@@startervisionsI mean xxxtentacion literally stole beats in his early days lmao I love his music but he took “plus walk” and made it “ILOVEITWHENTHEYRUN”
As a independent beat maker, i learned you often have to prove yourself and work with rappers who not only fit your sound well, but have great business as well... its a few in between doe🤦🏿♂️💯
This is 💯.
The Alchemist way
Didn't ask
This doesn't make sense
@@assassin8636 I'm saying good rappers to work with is hard to find...
I feel it for the Producers they deserve just as much Credit
Not if the production is quickly and poorly made.step yah Game up and stop crying.
@joquanrowsey7370 If you produced a record for a rapper yes you deserve credit. By the Artist and if it makes money producer credit royalties.
@joquanrowsey7370 So what you just said tells me alot about what you actually know about production. if you have a messy soundscape and a horribly mixed track it does not matter .No Rappers worth spit will rap on it.I can tell you just be making stuff and have never produced for anyone. Poorly made beats on top of the Beat being trash anyway equals complainers like you and no one giving you credit from not having a resume.How old are you 15? Lol
Modern producers use bs sound packs, bs loops, etc. All those creators deserve credit too.@joquanrowsey7370
If the song makes money then ya. Most songs dont make any money so the producer deserves nothing
That’s why Producer Tags are very important 💯💯
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You can easily, easily use stem separation to remove producer tags
@@wait_in_gold_ON_SPOTIFYright somebody tried that with me it was a hassle for a while to get them to take the song down it’s annoying.
My heart goes out to TH-cam producers making type beats, very often people just steal their beats and make an album with no rapping on it, pretending like they produced it all. It's messed up
Have they tried being ORIGINAL?
Turning it into content instead of free beats?
@@darrengordon-hill they're not free, and many of them are very original, just burried under piles of trash like lethalneedle
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If they're not free, how did they get them?
I didn't pay to watch THIS video...
How are they "original" by trying to be "type" beats?
Concept is alien to me - I just make hip hop as I see fit... If I want "DJ Muggs" I'll pay for it
@@darrengordon-hillJust because they make beats in the style of something doesn't mean that they aren't original. And just because you don't pay to use TH-cam doesn't mean that if you take and use somebody's beat on here without permission that it isn't theft, because it is.
@darrengordon-hill after making a couple of type beats myself, I'll tell you that not everyone has the initial idea of a beat to be in a specific style of an artist. Most donot just sit down to make a mac miller type beat or a joey badass type beat. It more so they just make a beat and name it a type beat for marketing purposes. That where the originality lies.
If you think producers got it bad wait til you hear about the other creative support like photographers and album artist.
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THIS! As a freelance photographer/videographer who makes music/beats in their free time… kill me
Yup I use to be a videographer for a decade. I hate rappers. @@W4TSKY
@@W4TSKY no offense, but how do you make enough money to live right now?? also what software should i start with if i wanna make music? like personal projects that include vocals and mixing and everything (ie. pitch correction)
@@drewpy14he has a job probably lol
I quit making cover art because or rappers. They’re all broke, dude wanted me to make a cover art using a photo of him holding a stack of cash. But couldn’t afford to pay for it afterwards. The irony was strong with that one, I wouldn’t even charge more than $70 for cover art sometimes. Depending on the idea and how long it would take me to make it.
realist thing ever. Dude pulled up to record and used my car to flex in a music video (i have a bmw and have multiple bmws)
@@avidreader6534flexing bmw 😂your just like him.
Damn that’s unfortunate I feel like other rappers don’t understand how much work it is fr.
Being a producer for almost a decade It’s still the thing to bring me the most joy but the business side takes the fun out immensely
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Accurate. I've been a producer for 20+ years, have worked with Legends in the game and I'm still not making a living off the beats. You gotta really love the craft to continue at that point. A Producer's Union would be a great thing to have for sure but also an Artist Union would only be fair. Too many pioneers out there not making a Penny off their contributions to Hip-Hop. Im all for this
real talk. I know a guy in my community who has made beats for Lil Reese and Lil Skies. He's homeless.
@@8eight104 shyt cray
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Jeeez...
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@@highestpeeqs9532 Amen!
All producers should protect their work at all times and be very cautious with who they do business with.
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this is why i think producers should just release their beats as standalone songs. forget selling it to a rapper or singer. become a standalone artist. alot of producers already do this. i think it'll become more and more common as the years go on
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These kids don‘t listen to beat tapes in 2023 😭😭😭
@@ptrcrispy we got a market analyst over here
@ptrcrispy they actually do not t9 mention movies shows videos games r just beats for video's etc producers can make money many ways
@@ptrcrispy They do. Plus search up Sync licensing
Production will forever be the most important part of any song. I’m sorry, it’s just true . No matter how essential the artists performance is to the song, that song and the way people remember it would not exist without the music behind it. Melodies are usually created because the production came first. It’s hilarious the amount of listeners that think that artists magically do everything. Most artists wouldn’t be shit without their producers. Producers deserve all the recognition and more.
a producer is a artis if they compose part of the track and dont just use loops
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There not the face of the "brand" that's all.
We all know McDonald's.... not Ray Croc (the founder)
@@jjjjjj3423I think this is a really good example of why producing sucks - Ray Croc actually came on board with the real mcdonald’s, Maurice & Richard McDonald, slowly pushed them out of the business, and started lying that he’s the founder until people forgot who really made McDonalds. Point being - Rappers are the Ray Croc of Mcdonalds; acting like they made McDonalds while letting the real creators die in obscurity (the producers etc.); all the while the Label Records are Mcdonald’s themselves
I feel like in the music business everybody gets screwed over...artists get screwed over by the labels and then they screw over the producers....
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That’s the way most jewish people do business, and the music industry and entertainment industry is top heavy with them.
@@Nemo71340?
@@Nemo71340 Kanye, get off the burner bro
@@Nemo71340 your basing the actions of less then 1% off all Jewish people and saying thats how most do business most Jewish people arent rich business men so how do most Jewish people rip people off your just a bigot ... like adolf
This is why when you enter ANY creative industry (like music, graphic design, illustration, sound design, etc...) you not only need to perfect your skills but also the business side of things. You need to make a name by yourself while using every opportunity you have to try and reach different sources of income (for that you need to research the market and the target audience). Studying things like: "What do audience/costumer want?", "What this product is and isn't?", "What other options do I have available?", etc...
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Makes me sad. Instead of focusing on art everyone is focusing on how to monetize the art and what the audience will pay for. That's dumb. Real artists should create art no matter the expectations and the audience should decide for themselves if they like it or not. To focus on business means less time to focus on art and fans. It makes me hella mad tbh. Everyone is screaming for attention but I don't feel like any of them deserve it tbh
@@johnnyterra1309 Art historically was always a business, you can ask Mozart or Michaelangelo. Art should always generate income, because without incime you can't eat. And yeah, some of the best art ever is genuine and personal, but there's no reason to not make great art, while also getting paid for it.
As a producer myself, I just want people to get credit
Like the amount of times people talk about great producers and they haven’t heard of “Alchemist”, “Cardo”:
Even “Zaytoven” is astounding
Especially when they know songs they produced!
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Cardo used samples Minor2Go did and he never mentions him. Songs like Deadz by Migos are great loops with simple drums. I remade that beat in 5 minutes.
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Cardo got wings?
Serious pointers, I've always made sure my producers get their credit though at times they may not have registered their stuff I did it, and have linked them to it just in case I get big out of nowhere.
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Right now, I been making beats for the past couple years & I agree wholeheartedly that beat makers always get the end of the stick. As producers, we should all stick together. 🔥
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Back in the SoundCloud days I remember listening to real layed back shit at the time and I ran into this producer named Potsu's catalog on their. I loved all of his beats, but I wrote to one of them a song called Cinderella. My engineer got in contact with him and bought me the beat and I recorded it and left it in the vault until the time was right since I wanted to drop a little project. Bruh not but 7 months later XXXtentacion drops Jocelyn Flores which had the same beat as the Cinderella song I recorded. I was like, "bruh am I buggin'?"
Join the club, you wouldn't believe me if I told you.
Funny what you can get away with when you have a following
Lmaooo
That slick not even potsu song, it's the sample from shiloh that's mainly the reason.
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The waiting to get paid thing make me straight up quit making music for some years. I produced a track on an album for a really big artist, and it took me almost 5 years to get paid. And when the label cut the check I was still shorted a crazy amount of money. Hip hop producers get the least amount of respect
I worked on an album for an artist signed on a major label. He pissed off the label and they shelved everything. When I tried to get the money they still owed they said, take us to court and see if you can get it without spending it on lawyers.
That was the final straw for me.
Going thru this now
Been doing my own shit lately
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Is the waiting to get paid part because the label charges the fee it took to clear your samples to your future royalty earnings? So you only get paid after the label has recouped the money they spent on sample clearance or is it something else
@@OfoeNelson for me the money I was waiting on was part of the advance that was initially agreed upon.
Word that’s why I just started rapping on my own stuff and doing it for fun. More likely to blow up that way if I wanted to. I got a group of friends and we just finna in on music that way everyone can work and get better and maybe blow.
Facts I'm doing the same
Nowadays they do most of the work. The engineers and producers literally slice up, pitch correct, and arrange so much bullshit and turn it into something special. Without them, there's a lot of incoherent, while high, garbage.
I was just saying to my brother the other day that records need to start saying something like “21 Savage ft Metro Boomin” or something. Because not only do producers not get proper credit a lot of the time, they really be carrying records out here. A lot of these “hit” songs are greatly aided by the production.
I think the lack of credit producers get is also part of life in the streaming era. I'm all for producers getting credit for their work and getting paid but back before streaming when there was physical product, people did read the production notes for the album. No physical product means no production notes unless there's a Wiki entry somewhere. So the producer gets used and tossed aside. But I do like your idea to help restore credit to the producers of saying something like "21 Savage ft Metro Boomin."
@@LexBanksBeatssoundcloud does that all the time like “genocide (prod. wendigo)”
I think it should common place on Spotify too though
Problem is then everyone will have a metro ft the way beats are sold and passed around or chopped. You may not want your name tied to everyone that raps on you track.
It’s interesting seeing this video because I mostly listen to regatón and most people also know the producer and the producer gets credit alongside the artist. Not only that, but most of the time the singer shouts out the producer. This is how I know of Tainy, Sky Rompiendo, Eladio Carrion, Bizarrap, and Mambo Kings
As a novice songwriter, I’ve started to notice just how important a producer/engineer are to an artist. They will literally make or break your music
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being a hip-hop youtuber sucks even more
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Worst jobs of all time lol
@@mrlofi333why tho
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@@ahmedfiasco6412 cause you dont get paid unless you get really lucky and blessed to have an artist blow up AND credit you AND pay you. 99% of the time, most yt producers do not make nearly enough to live off of unfortunately even tho there are some really talented ones
Dr. Dre is a producer. Timbaland is a producer. Pharrell is a producer. J Dilla is a producer. DJ Premier is a producer. A music producer is to a song what a movie director is to a movie, he is supposed to have a vision of how the project goes and instructs the artist on how to execute it. In the case of Hip-Hop, making beats doesn’t exactly make you a producer, it makes you a beat-maker, which is more aligned with being a songwriter. A songwriter that writes the lyrics is a lyricist and a songwriter that composes the music is a composer. And we all know the music industry has a long history of screwing over songwriters who don’t know the business well. If Hip-Hop creatives that make beats and send them out to be utilized by rappers at their discretion but aren’t in the studio controlling the music and how everything is performed, they can’t really call themselves a producer, and that’s part of why and how they get taken advantage of. It’s very unfortunate. Young artists, please learn the business so you get the credit due to you.
Yeah I like that you distinguished difference between a beat maker and a producer, producers like dr dre will make you to formulate the song as per their vision
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All the dudes you mention charge between $250,000 and $1,000,000 per songs!! Dr. Dre, Kanye West, Pharrell Williams and Timbaland are the most expensive in the industry but well worth the money for any artist, because of their reputation, dopeness, perfectionism, etc.
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@@izamalcadosa2951but they earned their sucess until getting to that point
When Pharrell and Timbaland were working in the 1st Justin Timberlake album, they were not earning 250k per song at all
Everybody has a beginning 🤷🏻♂️
Yep. One of the reasons why I became switched from producer to become an artist myself.
same. I think producers should collab more
This is why freestyle is kind of important as it proves to me the rapper has actual talent without having a beat to help give the rapper flow. So happy that producers are starting to get their due.
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Shout out HHM for highlighting the producer side of the game
One hella accurate video. What’s mind blowing is that even those you mentioned steal beats from people.
It's such an oversaturated market that people like Metro, Madlib, Kanye, Alchemist, and many others stand out today. In addition, so much production sounds similar that you almost have to work overtime just to have your own sound.
It's not overtime you fool. As an artist you should have YOUR OWN style. It's the entire point of the art.
Anybody who uses the world "oversaturated market" speaks as an outsider, and as an incapable person who seeks to disqualify
What's more oversaturated than rapping???? But still the disparity between rappers and beatmakers is massive
Its over saturated with bs music. The reason why you think people sound the same is that they are using the same bs loops and bs packs. They cant create new s***! Any musician can easily destroyed all these bs producers with a sound. Because most producers arent musicians. So they arent creative like musicians.
@@XxXPunkXxXRockerXxXright 😂 these rappers really wanna sound like one another they dont want they own sound
Producers need a union
Being a producer requires a unique type of selfishness. If you can’t do it, don’t produce. It’s trash. These rappers do NOT GAF about you.
It´s not easy. There were so many good Producers and today nobody knows them anymore and they had even a lot of number 1 Hits, just a couple years ago.
At the end of the day it´s, fuck the money and do what you love with a passion.
We need producers to have their own award shows! I notice we haven't got that yet! give all the producers there flowers that way!
Hip Hop Producer here...shit does indeed suck. Worked with platinum selling artists who have never paid for beats and dropped the songs with no credit whatsoever. Managed to get a Gold Plaque for my biggest record but only after hiring a lawyer and borderline suing for the credit I deserved. What makes matters worse, the other PRODUCERS on the record were the ones that tried to get me outta there. I make electronic music now.
as a producer i really hate when a rapper hit you up "you got some free beats?"
the absolute worst
I go to school for Recording Engineering and Music business, so this is very helpful.
Whats crazy is when i ask people why they like a specific song the bwat is almost always the top amswer. Producers truly do get screwed
As a up and coming producer, this scares me ngl😂
Same here. I’m trying to get into the game as a producer myself
Try to find someone that fit your sound like how metro did with future and riot did with Ice spice, as well as alchemist with with earl
@@addictivenewsMadlib did with DOOM
@@addictivenews Solid advice right here
Puffy's production team was called The Hitmen. Poke & Tone are Trackmasters.
Why is Chad Hugo always left out? The Neptunes are more than just Pharrell.
Pretty sure Pharell is the creative genius there
@@check2000 pretty sure you don’t know wtf you’re talking about so be quiet.
@@i_am_gohan9232 sure kid, guess that's why all the top artists want to be in the studio with Pharrell and care less about Chad.
Almost all of the superstar producers have their own brand identity outside of the music they produced. Many became rappers/singers, got brand deals and created their own fanbases. Pharrell understood that as part of the game.
as rapper producer i clicked immediately ahah aslo listing to d12 album for first time properly and saw em in the thumbnail gotta be a sign
I’ve always wondered why EDM producers make so much money compared to hip hop producers. Now I know why lol
also there’s more of a performance aspect to it and most hip hop producers aren’t looked at for doing live shows. that’s why kaytranada has a nice blueprint that doesn’t get spoken on a lot.
Producing is levels harder than being a lyricist, no matter how you spin it. Producing is like learning an instrument which is harder than singing or rapping.
but rap fans are so blinded by the status of a rapper that they refuse to accept that a song only bangs because of the beat, very few MCs have a voice that makes the song, but their status makes niqqas weak in the knees and be praising them
As a producer/beatmaker I disagree. Making beats especially nowadays is so much easier then ever before. I rap and make beats and making beats is much easier then writing raps
But a hot beat won’t pop off without someone on the mic with some charisma. I don’t think it’s easier exactly.
@@JEFFMAN90I disagree bc a bad beat ruins a song more than bad lyrics ruins a song. I go to Playboi Carti. Niggas don’t know what he’s saying half the time but his beats keep his fan base (me included) coming back for more (his flow also plays a MASSIVE ROLE)
@@ficus3929 Not true there is an entire genre based on what amounts to instrumental hip hop. The difference is it has to have structure to it as opposed to a hip hop beat which just basically loops itself with little to no overall progression.
no it isn't. you are biased in your own direction. and the human voice is the oldest instrument, one that people have been developing a body of skills in for centuries.
Protect and own your work everyone! There's always people out there looking to use what you've created for nothing & reap the rewards for themselves.
The intro producer tags make them notable like Murda, Jeston, Tay Keith, and Metro, most of these niggas r so unknowable
keep working don’t stop this shit not fa the weak roll w the punches and keep yo business on point you’ll look up one day n most likely be in a solid position ♻️♻️
This is crazy cause producers don't need rappers. EDM is huge. These producers could make it on their own, but these rappers could not. No one wants to hear spoken word rap 😂
AMEN!!!
I would say if a hip hop producer wanted to go their own way then trip hop is the most obvious choice. Think like DJ Shadow, Prefuse73, Nujabes and the like. But you right, rappers need producers far more than producers need rappers.
Exactly. Acapella rap is usually boring as hell.
Good luck with that, mfs ain't listening to rap instrumentals in the same numbers as full songs 😂😂😂😂
Rappers dont need producers. Rappers can hire session musicians to produce their own song. BS producers are not needed.@@PuffinPass
I'm about to comment# 408, lol. But seriously, the game has changed and there's a lot of room to argue the overall evolution in the music business to where we are now in the streaming era is a big part of how the behind the scenes guys are left to fend for themselves. In years past we had physical media like tapes and CDs and they all listed the producers and writers in the production notes, without physical media those notes no longer exist unless the rapper has a Wiki entry and it details the production notes. My advice to producers/beatmakers who want to focus on the behind the scenes work instead of having to be a rapper/producer, either start your own team/label and develop it yourself or hookup with an existing team or label - Almost every established label has an in-house producer, back in the day Master P and No Limit had Beats by the Pound, CashMoney had Mannie Fresh, Death Row had Dre for a minute along with Daz, Aftermath at one point not only had Dre but Dre brought in Scott Storch. Labels are dying so the rap game is a one man band show but if you can hookup with a label or start your own label, do it. If you start your own label focus on co-branding as much as possible, one example I have is DJ Squeeky down in Memphis with his label Mo Chedda Records where he created compilations for his label to help get his name out there and help him get work as a producer (he has a Young Dolph gold certification to his name now), but it also helped him sign more guys, make their stuff, and further get his name out there while also profiting from their sales as the label owner and producer. In this day and age there's no excuse for you not have some degree of understanding of music business.
It’s really simple, make sure you’re a company sole prop, LLC, etc and not just a ‘beat maker’. Take the street out of the beat and get paid for your intellectual property as a professional business owner. The artists, labels, companies deal with businesses with much more respect as the regulations that govern them offers protections over a simple promise of a future homey hook up💯
The love of creation is the only reason anybody stays. There are easier ways to make money and to get notoriety but not one of them are anywhere near as rewarding. The love I have for music is the only thing keeping me going. I'm off to make my next instrumental.
Thats my thought process as well. I enjoy creating pieces inside a DAW wishing I had played some form on instrument growing up for the love of music. Im satisfied making a decent sale I can use to invest or eat off of but when I make the music it has to be for that reason (the enjoyment).
As a producer who mostly makes instrumental stuff, it always rubs me the wrong way when I show people my music, which I've put my heart and soul into, only for them to see it as a beat they think they can just use. Most people I know don't see it for what it actually is.
Especially annoys me when I've produced a track for someone from scatch, engineered, mixed and mastered it just for them to take all the credit afterwards.
From my experience, most people look at my music as some kind of commodity rather than MY own ART and it's honestly depressing sometimes.
You need to protect your beats. Upload them to digital stores, and get an ISRC code. If someone takes them without payment, you will know. They either pay you, or it can easily get taken down. Also discuss terms, percentages, etc., before each studio session. Get them to also sign a split sheet. You never know which song will become a hit, and if it does, you should get your rightful share.
Those people don’t deserve to use your art AT ALL.
last request! can all producers please get paid!!#idolsbecamerivals
Yall treat these people like demi-gods and excuse any horrible things rappers do then expect them to respect you. Lol
wut r u yapping bout
@@GodTalkinShhh people worshipping celebrities to an unhealthy extent. Giving our new elite (not just rappers but the entertainment industry plus other personalities) insane amounts of power over their lives only to be bled for every cent they can give. Sometimes I find it funny that people get so appalled about how the new royalty treat them like servants and peasants. Sorry if I offended your king or queen or whatever yapping
@@GodTalkinShhhyou know damn well what he means lol
I think the biggest issue is the difference between beat makers and music producers. Beat makers just make the beat while the producers can take a beat of their choice and do major changes to it and they don’t have to pay for it either.
beatmakers are producers. if you bought a song from a beatmaker he will be credited as a the producer! Beatmakers still have to arrange the song and add efx and stuff.
@@ChrisN-hs7dhNot all beat makers do that tho. Some just provide the beat, or the foundation for it, then it gets into the hands of the actual producer, who will (at the least) oversee mixing, arranging, etc.
@@JayFingers give me one example of this. ill wait...
@@JayFingers beat makers produce the instrumental genius u cant make a beat without producing it its English learn it
Shout out to my fellow producers! I agree with Sonny Digital that rappers on XXL covers should be pictured alongside the producers who helped get them there.
Puffy had the Hitmen. Although he worked with Trackmasters on occasion, Poke and Tone were their own separate producer collective.
I’ve been a DJ for 10 yrs and started producing 2 yrs ago and honestly I have so much respect for producers and I’m so mad for y’all! For someone to take your art to put their wack ass lyrics over it without permission is beyond disrespectful. I pray things change swiftly ! We all need to be more business savvy too, to avoid these situations smh
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Thanks for this video
It does suck because now theres so many. Oversaturated market. Multiple producers making the same beat.
How does it suck? I am curious as to who you have made music for to say that?
@@knos360I make music for myself. But other artists just pick generic beats to hop on now. No creativity or innovation. Even calling myself out cause I be making generic stuff too just to cater to local artists. I produced for a lot of Local artists from Toronto so I guess my perspective is not mainstream enough. Im just talking about newer producers and artists because now the industry beats just suck imo. I feel like mainstream producers are too many doing the same thing and thats is what is makin hiphop slow down really. Im both an artist and producer and engineer, editor, actor, director.
U gotta find the right prod. I constantly experiment with my production but typically ppl think its "too complicated" to rap on since most rap niggas get comfortable doing one style
@prod.bykhanjii2636 How do you experiment with no one on the Beat? Who is telling you what you have is any good? Are you the one telling yourself how good your stuff sounds?
@PRODJUN I'm Glad you are being realistic but you sound very experienced with the industry. Most of the dudes complaining are just at home dudes making music and then mad they don't get credit even tho they have nothing to show for.when your beats are hot people want to get on them.
Real talk:
There's a need for more conversation about building a Producer's Union.
scabs would fill the void same with artists lots of nobodies with tons of talent willing to be scabs id rather be a scab and make it big then a producers union that wouldnt make me 100s of thousands of dollars
To all my fellow producers, let me put you on free game. 1. Always have a legal-binding contract when doing business. 2. Payment is king. Do not buy into bullshit. 3. Focus on the craft, not the gear. 4. Be disciplined, not desperate...protect your brand. 5. Know your artists like a doctor knows a patient. 6. BE ADDICTED TO THE SKILL, NOT THE LIFESTYLE. Read the last one as many times you need to until it's permanent.
Better to have 1 reliable artist than 50 who are gonna lowball and plagiarize.
If they stole before, what makes you think they won't steal from you? You have to work smart to survive.
Producers will be @ the forefront with the artists soon
Can say the same about us Photographers, no love , just use us for our talent
Thank you for airing this frustrating shit🙏🏽🔥
It boils down to a money and greed thing all rappers feel like they are the star an no one helped.
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crazy that this is the first video i've seen on this topic of all the videos i've watched in this corner of yt. and he brought up unionization?? hell yeah
Producers should put out more of their own albums. Compilations. etc..
I love what you do man, HipHopMadness is my favorite TH-cam channel. That being said, I'm not a fan of when/how you choose to reference Mac Miller. I understand the relevance of the example used in the video, but the only other time I've seen a reference of Mac on the channel is in video thumbnails, and in those videos, you don't even mention him. Regardless on how you feel about him, two things are certain: he had an impact on the culture and he died tragically young. I ain't mad, I would just like to hear you say something positive about the man and what he was able to accomplish. Much love.
it's also really shitty how they took the intro clip out of context, he was trying to sort it out with them but they kept yelling and being unreasonable so his team backed him out of it
If you are a producer ...don't sell the beats ..go 50, 50..when the music plays, streams used in a commercial..u get paid.
Respectfully man idk who yall are working with but majority of people that buy my beats don't make shit from streams maybe its cause im in south africa but the only time I get something is when they feature some upcoming buzzing artists on their songs here and there
@@Transport4ThatDumpTruckDepends on who you’re selling to obv.
@@Transport4ThatDumpTruck start selling beats to talented artists around you for free and sign artists and market them and push ur content further to radio, t.v, You tube, podcast, Performance,shows, interview people will know you and can't a avoid you cause ur everywhere.
Absolutely terrible advice these mfs mail king 0.001 cents 😭
i was making beats in 97,8,9,0,01,02 etc. it was different then. but always difficult. making beats is a labor of love and passion
Usually the best, longest lasting producers, also rap
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Some best to ever do it Organized Noize from the ATL produced Outkast, Goodie Mob , TLC and countless other artists
The live instrumentals on OutKast's shit is 👌. Aged like fine wine. Love Organized Noize.
It works alot differently now than like in the 90s or so.
Back in the day upcoming Rappers and upcoming Producers would often come up together often knowing each other or a Producer would be directly hired from a label or Rapper.
Nowadays with all of the online beats, it is easy for the original beatmaker to get lost in the sauce. Combine that with a lower budget to make Albums it is very easy for a Producer to not get paid or even ignored altogether.
I had a chance to go to an Industry Rapper's studio back in the day. They had CDs and Cds of beats. This was right before having a whole library of beats online era, so I imagine now there being plenty of beats where the original owner might even being difficult to locate.
Bruh ive been a producer for a while . Ive worked with major to underground artist and indeed its not for the weak-hearted. Alot of sheisty artists and other producers out here
I'm a producer, but I also got my business right, Not only do I make your beat, I usually need to be in the studio with you to direct you on how to spit on that beat. If I'm not, I'm doing adlibs on it or its going through me for release. I also release my instrumentals that are songs, so if someone wants to use them, It'll automatically flag the beat as mine.
I’m a platinum/Grammy winning producer. It’s not easy to make a living as a producer but it makes sense because the world doesn’t have that much demand for beats. It has much more demand for medical innovation or food etc.
Music in itself is a niche, music producers are a niche inside that niche. We shouldn’t expect the world to give us what we want just because we make art. Nothing works that way. If you want to enter the field of business you have to know how to do business not art.
congrats on the success!
Im surprised you made it that far with that attitude
@@buzzbuzzard3809realism, imbecile? He isn't lying to anyone, no is willing to do art for the sake it, commission is value.
@@buzzbuzzard3809or you could humble yourself and consider what a successful person is saying. 🤷
What song you produced won a Grammy?
It’s crazy that I just watched DJ GrandMaster Flash talk about how DJs and Producers get disrespected and that needs to stop.
really good video and explanation. keep it up
I always pay for my beats. I don’t want have a break and then someone I known from 2008 come after their beats 😂
As a young rapper as well as a producer, I really hate how they basically don’t get any pay or credit. It’s honestly sad how much rappers disrespect the people who literally made their songs possible.
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this industry is a joke, you're better off having an actual career job and producing on the side, it's too unreliable and underpaid...like how are you waiting 18 MONTHS TO GET PAID?? How do you survive like that? this shit doesn’t happen anywhere BUT entertainment...
It’s hard, people will block you, make it hard for you to connect to people, and once you finally make it to people who might actually do something with your music, often producers are scammed around this time, it’s not for the weak, you gotta be willing to risk a lot
The beats are more important than the artists' lyrics nowadays.
That's how Hip Hop started.
nowadays .............. uhhh their has always been lyrical garbage in the charts
This is why I’m hesitant to post beats on YT, I work with a few artists very closely and curate their entire sound. But yea, it sucks because most artists feel they can find another producer anywhere. Producers kinda have to have the same mentality and it sometimes kills the creative vibe
Producers are more important than the rapper u would rather listen to an instrumental album then an accapella album ...point made
I’m 32 weeks pregnant and my baby loves the beats vs classical music, gets him moving and grooving! Let’s collab🔥
Just wanted to spread the word that JPEGMAFIA stole the beat for "real nega" from an 18 year old kid and his justification was that the dude didnt respond quick enough. Peggy even went on to tell a fake ass story of how he was inspired to sample stuff in the beat HE DIDNT MAKE. He told the kid to k*ll himself, dissed him at a show, and still has "prod. Peggy" on the notes for the song.
The original beat is called Chef & I - OOO
The Producer Union always get talk about but you got to think about. it's always going to a up and coming beat maker that going to take whatever it's put in there face that don't have anything that's why building your own brand as a producer is important
I feel like producers should do like Khaled, work with bunch of rappers put em on your beats than put that out as an album. I think it'd be sweet great producer's linking with bunch of great rappers and following producers who beats I like...wait isn't this already how it go?
khaled dosent even use his beats
@@jasonanderson5034 I just meant an album with all features
@@LongDongJohnson0705 they do they just dont get pushed like the artists by labels
@@jasonanderson5034 So you're telling me I can find entire albums of various rappers on my favorite producers beats? That's awesome
@@LongDongJohnson0705 depends who it is common with underground hiphop just search for it
I used to only listen to an artist if I liked their producer haha. I love them more than the rappers a lot of times.
Rappers need beats, beats dont need rappers
THIS. I don't need so called conscious rappers telling me you need to strive harder faster better stronger
They should lease the beats out and make the lease term based on tours, sales, and streams. That way they retain ownership of the beat and can always pull the song if not happy. I guess first register the beat as yours with the government. It is a crazy idea but we shooting from the hip right. Better than unionizing in my opinion.
You producers need video footage, audio and contracts
uhhhh we have contracts and audio lol we dont need no video footage and nobody is doing that
@@jasonanderson5034 I still don't understand how a producer doesn't get paid for their services. I can't see Average Joe making music in his mom's basement getting screwed over
@@echad6259 a lawyer is pretty expensive which is needed to enforce contracts
As a Hip Hop lover and amateur musician I truly love producer they made the Genre what it is from the just Blazes to Kanye and Pharrell’s justice league track masters DJ primer and all those other Genius’s
Rip my boy mac miller tho
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